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Title: 01/25/10 [Clans #4] - Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Lucheek on January 25, 2010, 09:00:43 PM
Hmm...so it seems the big thing about Seme's clan is that they are known for adopting members from other clans.

Also, apparently 3-wing control of a clan can be passed on. I wonder what kind of ritual goes into that. Does the original 3-wing founded need to die?

Edit: Fixed your topic title...
 -- llearch
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Arcblade on January 25, 2010, 09:04:24 PM
She's pretty. 

I guess that might explain why some of Seme's clan volunteered to be Abel's roommate when he got to SAIA? 
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 25, 2010, 09:20:28 PM
Quote from: Arcblade on January 25, 2010, 09:04:24 PM
She's pretty. 

I guess that might explain why some of Seme's clan volunteered to be Abel's roommate when he got to SAIA? 

Why? Because their leader was hooked up with Abel's clan leader? Or because they have affinity for despair? Or some other reason?
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: ChaosMageX on January 25, 2010, 09:29:04 PM
I have been waiting for a long time to ask this:

Is there an Uke Clan to go with the Seme Clan? >:3
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Paladin Sheppard on January 25, 2010, 09:29:41 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 25, 2010, 09:20:28 PM
Quote from: Arcblade on January 25, 2010, 09:04:24 PM
She's pretty. 

I guess that might explain why some of Seme's clan volunteered to be Abel's roommate when he got to SAIA? 

Why? Because their leader was hooked up with Abel's clan leader? Or because they have affinity for despair? Or some other reason?

Methinks its all three llearchy
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Techcubi on January 25, 2010, 09:30:50 PM
Wow. 133 members. Strong clan, huh?
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Corgatha Taldorthar on January 25, 2010, 09:31:08 PM
Or perhaps they were looking to convert a new member.
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Tarynsgate on January 25, 2010, 09:39:01 PM
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on January 25, 2010, 09:31:08 PM
Or perhaps they were looking to convert a new member.

Hmm it is rather likely, because of their 'adoption' policy and clan Siar being virtually extinct (not counting other Aniz-spawns that we don't know about) :P either than that, maybe Great Grandma asked them to  >:3
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Pagan on January 25, 2010, 09:48:38 PM
Yet another female clan leader. With another along the way, Mink's grandmother. Hmm... No comment.
Also: jeez, that's a lot of hair.

I forget, what has been said about cubi feeding on their own emotions?
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Wanderer on January 25, 2010, 09:59:34 PM
Quote from: ChaosMageX on January 25, 2010, 09:29:04 PM
I have been waiting for a long time to ask this:

Is there an Uke Clan to go with the Seme Clan? >:3
You are not the first to ask that.
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Shachza on January 25, 2010, 10:13:15 PM
Quote from: Pagan on January 25, 2010, 09:48:38 PM
Yet another female clan leader. With another along the way, Mink's grandmother. Hmm... No comment.
Also: jeez, that's a lot of hair.

I forget, what has been said about cubi feeding on their own emotions?

I like lots of hair.  (On womens's heads)  :3

She looks like she needs a hug.
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Psy-Kosh on January 25, 2010, 10:19:10 PM
Quote from: Pagan on January 25, 2010, 09:48:38 PM
I forget, what has been said about cubi feeding on their own emotions?

This thread here (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,2262.0.html) goes into depth on that topic. Short version is "yes it's, in principle, possible."
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: PetFriendAmy on January 25, 2010, 10:47:49 PM
*decides to be one of those people who signs up just to post a comment*

Wait, Seme and Siar were lovers? But weren't both of them fema--

...Right, this is DMFA. ...I'll just end that train of thought.

I wonder if her wing color changed from her own free will, or if it was some sort of subconscious reaction to what happened, or what?
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: iceick on January 25, 2010, 11:08:32 PM
Quote from: PetFriendAmy on January 25, 2010, 10:47:49 PM
*decides to be one of those people who signs up just to post a comment*

Wait, Seme and Siar were lovers? But weren't both of them fema--

...Right, this is DMFA. ...I'll just end that train of thought.

I wonder if her wing color changed from her own free will, or if it was some sort of subconscious reaction to what happened, or what?
:shapeshifters
Of course she changed the color of her wings herself.
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: PetFriendAmy on January 25, 2010, 11:11:15 PM
Quote from: iceick on January 25, 2010, 11:08:32 PM
Quote from: PetFriendAmy on January 25, 2010, 10:47:49 PM
*decides to be one of those people who signs up just to post a comment*

Wait, Seme and Siar were lovers? But weren't both of them fema--

...Right, this is DMFA. ...I'll just end that train of thought.

I wonder if her wing color changed from her own free will, or if it was some sort of subconscious reaction to what happened, or what?
:shapeshifters
Of course she changed the color of her wings herself.
Well yeah, I figured that much, I was just wondering whether she did it consciously or not. XD ...Which leads me to wonder, can Cubi even shapeshift subconsciously?
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: inuhanyo on January 25, 2010, 11:17:36 PM
Quote from: PetFriendAmy on January 25, 2010, 11:11:15 PM
Quote from: iceick on January 25, 2010, 11:08:32 PM

:shapeshifters
Of course she changed the color of her wings herself.
Well yeah, I figured that much, I was just wondering whether she did it consciously or not. XD ...Which leads me to wonder, can Cubi even shapeshift subconsciously?
Why yes (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_378.php), yes they can.
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Janus Whitefurr on January 25, 2010, 11:22:07 PM
This entry has left me IN DESPAIR!  :cry




;)
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: iceick on January 25, 2010, 11:23:23 PM
Quote from: PetFriendAmy on January 25, 2010, 11:11:15 PM
Quote from: iceick on January 25, 2010, 11:08:32 PM
Quote from: PetFriendAmy on January 25, 2010, 10:47:49 PM
*decides to be one of those people who signs up just to post a comment*

Wait, Seme and Siar were lovers? But weren't both of them fema--

...Right, this is DMFA. ...I'll just end that train of thought.

I wonder if her wing color changed from her own free will, or if it was some sort of subconscious reaction to what happened, or what?
:shapeshifters
Of course she changed the color of her wings herself.
Well yeah, I figured that much, I was just wondering whether she did it consciously or not. XD ...Which leads me to wonder, can Cubi even shapeshift subconsciously?
answer (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_411.php)
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: PetFriendAmy on January 25, 2010, 11:43:07 PM
Quote from: inuhanyo on January 25, 2010, 11:17:36 PMWhy yes (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_378.php), yes they can.
Quote from: iceick on January 25, 2010, 11:23:23 PManswer (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_411.php)
Ah right. XD; I guess my brain has decided to be forgetful today. Don't mind me!
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Tarynsgate on January 26, 2010, 12:01:28 AM
Despair and Misery go hand in hand! quite literally in this case.
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Wanderer on January 26, 2010, 12:06:17 AM
Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on January 25, 2010, 11:22:07 PM
This entry has left me IN DESPAIR!  :cry
Are you going to try to make yourself taller, then?

That's a reference, for those who are now staring at me (well, at my post) in shock.
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: The_one_who_is_odd on January 26, 2010, 12:33:27 AM
Quote from: ChaosMageX on January 25, 2010, 09:29:04 PM
I have been waiting for a long time to ask this:

Is there an Uke Clan to go with the Seme Clan? >:3
I do believe so actually...

Quote from: Lucheek on January 25, 2010, 09:00:43 PM
Also, apparently 3-wing control of a clan can be passed on. I wonder what kind of ritual goes into that. Does the original 3-wing founded need to die?
I wonder if maybe that is what Aniz is trying to do... Become powerful enough to not only become a tri-wing but also resurrect clan Siar...
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: jeffh4 on January 26, 2010, 01:14:02 AM
Quote from: The_one_who_is_odd on January 26, 2010, 12:33:27 AM
Quote from: Lucheek on January 25, 2010, 09:00:43 PM
Also, apparently 3-wing control of a clan can be passed on. I wonder what kind of ritual goes into that. Does the original 3-wing founded need to die?
I wonder if maybe that is what Aniz is trying to do... Become powerful enough to not only become a tri-wing but also resurrect clan Siar...

I posted the same thought a few days ago, and I'm sure it was discussed extensively for the comic discussions when Aniz was at SAIA.

Further, since Fa'Lina has shut down other Cubi trying to do "the same thing" that Aniz was trying to do, then it stands to reason that trying to revive a near-dead clan is not uncommon for Cubi.

Also, is this the first multi-tailed creature or being that we've seen in DMFA?
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: SpottedKitty on January 26, 2010, 01:55:55 AM
Quote from: jeffh4 on January 26, 2010, 01:14:02 AM

Also, is this the first multi-tailed creature or being that we've seen in DMFA?


I think so. Also a nice unnatural colour, just like we've been told to expect from a powerful Creature.

Interesting bit at the end. So it's not just Angels and Demons who do the city-patronage thing?
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: senrath on January 26, 2010, 01:58:09 AM
Quote from: Wanderer on January 26, 2010, 12:06:17 AM
Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on January 25, 2010, 11:22:07 PM
This entry has left me IN DESPAIR!  :cry
Are you going to try to make yourself taller, then?

That's a reference, for those who are now staring at me (well, at my post) in shock.
I don't really think you needed to explain that it's a reference.
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Les on January 26, 2010, 02:44:14 AM
Something that I started wondering, what actually does an 'emotional affinity' mean? (probably been answered somewhere in the archive but right now I can't be arsed..)

Is it the Only emotion(s) a cubi can 'feed' from?

Can a cubi feed from other emotions, but get more benefit from emotions they have an affinity for?

Do emotions matching their affinity just 'taste' better?
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Bjalf on January 26, 2010, 02:53:44 AM
Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on January 25, 2010, 11:22:07 PM
This entry has left me IN DESPAIR!  :cry

I want some furry tail!

:love2

... wait, what?

:sweatdrop
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Nino on January 26, 2010, 03:10:33 AM
So... are all clan founders female? Cubi seem very matriarchal -- I don't think we've even heard of a male /teacher/

of course, this would be totally awesome
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Mischa on January 26, 2010, 03:32:47 AM
Quote from: senrath on January 26, 2010, 01:58:09 AM
Quote from: Wanderer on January 26, 2010, 12:06:17 AM
Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on January 25, 2010, 11:22:07 PM
This entry has left me IN DESPAIR!  :cry
Are you going to try to make yourself taller, then?

That's a reference, for those who are now staring at me (well, at my post) in shock.
I don't really think you needed to explain that it's a reference.

The fact that it was explained that it was a reference has left me IN DESPAIR!

Although maybe I should just start stalking Janus.  Jiiiiii~  <.<
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Tapewolf on January 26, 2010, 03:42:30 AM
Quote from: Kattuccino on January 26, 2010, 03:10:33 AM
So... are all clan founders female?

I asked that, they aren't.  They just have a very lopsided M:F ratio at the moment.

Quote from: SpottedKitty on January 26, 2010, 01:55:55 AM
I think so. Also a nice unnatural colour, just like we've been told to expect from a powerful Creature.

Interesting bit at the end. So it's not just Angels and Demons who do the city-patronage thing?

If you're powerful enough to do it, I doubt it matters what your race is.  Also, if a Creature of near-divine power came along and said they wanted to protect your city, "No, go away" might not be the smartest reply.

Sweet that there seems to be a city where 'Cubi don't have to hide, though.
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: e_voyager on January 26, 2010, 03:50:54 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 25, 2010, 09:20:28 PM

Why? Because their leader was hooked up with Abel's clan leader? Or because they have affinity for despair? Or some other reason?

well ables clan is big on misery and Seme's clan is big on despair. seems like a match to me. those two are closely related after all... aren't they? 
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Feather Dancer on January 26, 2010, 04:00:54 AM
She is one very pretty two tailed strawberry leopard. Reminds me a little of Jessica Rabbit hair style wise, just you know, fluffier.
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Les on January 26, 2010, 04:09:59 AM
Something that just occurred to me...  With the talk of how Tri-Wings are the most powerful and how only clan-leaders are tri-wings I'd gotten to assume that founding a clan was a pre-requisite for ascension to tri-wing status somehow.. then I got to thinking, maybe becoming a tri-wing isn't a natural by-product of founding a clan but founding a clan is a natural by-product of becoming a tri-wing.. even if it's a clan of One (like Fa'lina is currently.)
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Tapewolf on January 26, 2010, 04:24:47 AM
Quote from: Les on January 26, 2010, 04:09:59 AM
Something that just occurred to me...  With the talk of how Tri-Wings are the most powerful and how only clan-leaders are tri-wings I'd gotten to assume that founding a clan was a pre-requisite for ascension to tri-wing status somehow.. then I got to thinking, maybe becoming a tri-wing isn't a natural by-product of founding a clan but founding a clan is a natural by-product of becoming a tri-wing.. even if it's a clan of One (like Fa'lina is currently.)

It's really, really murky.  AFAIK you can have a clan with multiple tri-wings in it, though I'm a little stumped for a properly canon reference to that.
I'm sure I remember reading a fascinating discussion where it was implied that you could add a tri-wing to an existing clan after the fact, but I cannot find it.  However, while the act of ascension seems to be related to creating a new clan, it has been mentioned that it's possible to create (branch?) a clan without being Tri-winged.
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: e_voyager on January 26, 2010, 04:54:58 AM
even if Fa`lina is the only one of her clan that doesn't mean she's a clan founder. i most cases it would mean she's last of her clan and  that she's strong enough to stand on her own after the founder / clan head was killed
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Les on January 26, 2010, 05:42:20 AM
I'm pretty sure Fa'Lina Was the leader (if not original founder) of her clan and is still currently a tri-wing (though she keeps the extra wings hidden.)  Then again it is canon that generally a clan takes the name of it's leader so in a way ascending to leadership in a current clan IS in a way 'founding' a clan even if it is merely by re-naming an older one.
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Amber Williams on January 26, 2010, 09:08:20 AM
The thing to keep in mind is that there is no set in stone laws of science about how one goes about founding a Clan or attaining tri-wing status.  There is a standard method that is the most reliable, but in Cubi history there is a lot of room for variations and exceptions. 

And I fully admit I set it up that way because as things do become more solid, it is more than likely I am going to go back on stuff I previously had set down and revise things.  Already there are several things I probably mentioned a bit ago that have become outdated. 

One thing I will note is that the reference to multiple tri-wings in a clan and several other things are from a time way long ago when it was a lot easier to attain that level of power.  There aren't really a lot of Cubi or creatures around to remember it, but those that do would probably have considered it the golden age of Cubi.  It was a lot easier to get power, there were a lot more diverse clans and tri-wings.  Mink mentioned how there was once a lot of clan leaders.  However something happened that sort of turned off the easy-power switch and afterwards it has become a lot harder and harder to get to that level of power.  One could say that with each clan leader after that point, the bar got raised.

These days, the reason tri-wing is connected to clan founder is because there isn't really a way to get that level of power without a clan connection.  In the long-past it would have been easier...but these days it is much more difficult that the only Cubi who would want to get to that level of power are those who want to form a clan.  Which probably sounds odd because someone would say that why wouldn't every Cubi want to get tri-wings and get that much power?

But really. I've already given you guys more info than I should.  And odds are a year or two from now the info I have given will have shifted slightly.  So keep that in mind that even though I say something, it doesn't make it canonical until it hits the actual comic itself.
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Tapewolf on January 26, 2010, 09:15:02 AM
Thanks for chipping in, Amber.
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: 127.0.0.2 on January 26, 2010, 10:08:37 AM
Speaking about questions, I'm wondering about the name change. Assuming all clans are still named after their clan leaders, does that mean, Seme wasn't always the leader? That brings up the question, who was Divallis and what happened to him? Also, how much litres of coffee were spent in the foreshadowing department while doing this one?
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: jeffh4 on January 26, 2010, 10:25:01 AM
Quote from: 127.0.0.2 on January 26, 2010, 10:08:37 AM
Speaking about questions, I'm wondering about the name change. Assuming all clans are still named after their clan leaders, does that mean, Seme wasn't always the leader? That brings up the question, who was Divallis and what happened to him? Also, how much litres of coffee were spent in the foreshadowing department while doing this one?
To answer your question: 7. 

It was 7 litres of Mountain Dew, actually.

Hope that clears things up.
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Scrap Fish on January 26, 2010, 10:39:29 AM
...mmm...dew...

So, from the looks of it, creating a clan does not require tri-wingedness, but simply being a powerful leader. Since tris are considered more powerful, they then to become leaders.
Quote from: Amber Williams on January 26, 2010, 09:08:20 AM
However something happened that sort of turned off the easy-power switch and afterwards it has become a lot harder and harder to get to that level of power.  One could say that with each clan leader after that point, the bar got raised.
Dragon-Cubi war perchance? Using Aniz's clan as an example, I figure it's safe to bet that Cubi populations took a swan-dive at that point. Having smaller numbers would prevent all but the best having clans. (Can't have too many leaders when there's not many to lead.)
Quote from: 127.0.0.2 on January 26, 2010, 10:08:37 AM
Speaking about questions, I'm wondering about the name change. Assuming all clans are still named after their clan leaders, does that mean, Seme wasn't always the leader? That brings up the question, who was Divallis and what happened to him?
Well, seeing it says it was a non-violent turnover, I can guess either Divallis died of age, (or general natural causes) gave up their position, or was persuaded to do so.
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Amber Williams on January 26, 2010, 10:47:15 AM
Quote from: Scrap Fish on January 26, 2010, 10:39:29 AM
Dragon-Cubi war perchance?

Negative.

Quote from: 127.0.0.2 on January 26, 2010, 10:08:37 AM
Speaking about questions...

Please keep in mind that one of the reasons I don't often come onto the forums is that whenever I do, people seem to take my showing up as a Q&A session. While I don't mind answering a rare occasional question, I don't really enjoy being poked for answers everytime I show up.
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Turnsky on January 26, 2010, 10:52:26 AM
Quote from: Amber Williams on January 26, 2010, 09:08:20 AM

But really. I've already given you guys more info than I should.  And odds are a year or two from now the info I have given will have shifted slightly.  So keep that in mind that even though I say something, it doesn't make it canonical until it hits the actual comic itself.

it's not as if you came down from mount sinai with this just yet, after all. ;)
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Scrap Fish on January 26, 2010, 10:58:31 AM
Quote from: Amber Williams on January 26, 2010, 10:47:15 AM
Quote from: Scrap Fish on January 26, 2010, 10:39:29 AM
Dragon-Cubi war perchance?

Negative.
Dang it.
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Les on January 26, 2010, 11:04:03 AM
Well, we like your work Amber and we love the world you've built and would like to know more about it.  I can see why instant Q&A whenever you pop on the forum can get tiresome at times, but I'm curious as to why you seem so reluctant if not Antagonistic (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_306.php) to sharing some of these details.
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: AmigaDragon on January 26, 2010, 11:14:06 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 26, 2010, 03:42:30 AM
Sweet that there seems to be a city where 'Cubi don't have to hide, though.

Unless perhaps you're from a rival clan.

On clan founders and leaders, I think you don't have to ascend to leadership. If still alive, I think Anus... I mean Aniz is his clan's leader but just because he was the only survivor and inherited the role. Every leader needs followers, thus we get Abel.
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Amber Williams on January 26, 2010, 11:19:47 AM
Quote from: Les on January 26, 2010, 11:04:03 AM
Well, we like your work Amber and we love the world you've built and would like to know more about it.  I can see why instant Q&A whenever you pop on the forum can get tiresome at times, but I'm curious as to why you seem so reluctant if not Antagonistic (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_306.php) to sharing some of these details.

Because some of them are things that will inevitably hit the comic itself. In that sense, answering the questions would be spoiling the comic.  I don't really answer things that will be probably mentioned in the comic in the foreseeable future because it then defeats the point of doing the actual comic if I am just telling people the plot.

Another issue is that the vast majority of people who read DMFA do not actually go to the forum. As such, I don't want to give away so much information that people who aren't in the forum groups are completely at a loss and thus when they show up...they get railed on for not having all sorts of inside information.

A third part is that as I mentioned, there are times when things shift...and I myself am not capable of keeping track of everything I have said...where as several people here are capable of archiving and bringing back things I have said from over 5 years ago to post them as truths when in reality I may have forgotten I said that and as such...things have shifted so it is no longer the case.  As such, I figure the worst thing I can do moreso than not give answers is to give ones that will possibly become wrong overtime.

It's for this reason that I try to avoid offering DMFA canon in regards to most fanfictional works because in many cases, people will be trying to stick close to a canon that is liable to shift on them as I adjust my own story.  I have found it better to be vague and let people be free to do their own things rather than to give them a precise answer they take as an absolute truth...only to become a bit upset when a comic shows up that completely smashes what I said prior.
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Les on January 26, 2010, 11:38:27 AM
Well that does make sense, I just don't want you to think you're boring us when the comic itself gets exposition-y.

:mowcookie  MMmm, nummy exposition.   :mowcookie
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Angel on January 26, 2010, 01:31:57 PM
Wow. Seme is really pretty. I mean, the way her hair is drawn is so soft, and she looks so sad, but in almost a movie-star pretty way. And her story is kind of sad, too. Makes me wonder why her emotional affinity is despair. If she's drawn to suffering, it explains why she was drawn to Siar in the first place, but ... hm. What are Cubi's reactions to their own emotions?
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: iceick on January 26, 2010, 02:10:22 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on January 26, 2010, 09:08:20 AM
And I fully admit I set it up that way because as things do become more solid, it is more than likely I am going to go back on stuff I previously had set down and revise things.  Already there are several things I probably mentioned a bit ago that have become outdated. 

But really. I've already given you guys more info than I should.  And odds are a year or two from now the info I have given will have shifted slightly.  So keep that in mind that even though I say something, it doesn't make it canonical until it hits the actual comic itself.
So does Amber write down all the rules, personalities, background info, etc. for herself somewhere or does she keep it all in her head (like me whenever I come up with a story idea) and tells us bit by bit what they are.
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Starcat5 on January 26, 2010, 02:11:48 PM
Quote from: Black_angel on January 26, 2010, 01:31:57 PM
What are Cubi's reactions to their own emotions?

Well, they can feed off their own emotions, but beyond that I'm not sure what you are asking.
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: e_voyager on January 26, 2010, 04:51:00 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on January 26, 2010, 10:47:15 AM

Please keep in mind that one of the reasons I don't often come onto the forums is that whenever I do, people seem to take my showing up as a Q&A session. While I don't mind answering a rare occasional question, I don't really enjoy being poked for answers everytime I show up.

i can understand those  feeling amber. most of use however eagerly await the  insights you provide into the world that you're created.  the world is not stuck in stasis it is living and changing everyday.
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: 127.0.0.2 on January 26, 2010, 08:34:31 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on January 26, 2010, 10:47:15 AM
Please keep in mind that one of the reasons I don't often come onto the forums is that whenever I do, people seem to take my showing up as a Q&A session. While I don't mind answering a rare occasional question, I don't really enjoy being poked for answers everytime I show up.

I'm aware this sounds lame now, but that question was more supposed to be general speculation. I assumed Divallis would be foreshadowing and hence didn't really expect the question to be answered. In any way, sorry for the unclear wording.

Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Mrs_A_ZeTavia on January 26, 2010, 09:15:44 PM
I'm just happy at the fact that there's female lovers!  :3 I feel bad for her though loosing her lover in all..... :cry She could use a hug and some of my freshly baked cookies!  :hug  And don't worry they are Mab Free! XD
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Arcblade on January 26, 2010, 09:22:33 PM
Quote from: Mrs_A_ZeTavia on January 26, 2010, 09:15:44 PM
I'm just happy at the fact that there's female lovers!  :3 I feel bad for her though loosing her lover in all..... :cry She could use a hug and some of my freshly baked cookies!  :hug  And don't worry they are Mab Free! XD

It's her brownies you have to worry about.  Her cookies were charcoal, as I recall.   >:3

Does anyone else suspect Dan may be one of the 'Cubi who feeds mainly on his own emotions?  For instance,  pain is an easy one, since Pip and Wildy always beat him up.  And he also gets a boost from "doing the right thing for the good of many"  (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_528.php)which sounds self-generated as well. 
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Scuravolpe on January 26, 2010, 09:37:52 PM
I have one question...

How the fudge do you pronounce her name?

Seems minor I know...but I'm a stickler for the details like that. I've been saying it "Seem" so far, but as far as I know it could be "Same", "Say-May", "Semm-Ay"...and a few more awkward ones (at least to me).

So, anyone have any clarification on this? I'd like to know, and I'm sure it's occurred to others too.

Thanks.

Edit: Also, I still can't get over just how beautiful Seme is. She is just gorgeous. Really excellent work Amber! I'm sure the rest will just as impressive.
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Lego3400 on January 26, 2010, 11:37:37 PM
I'm more interested in the clan takeover thing. I doubt Amber is going to tell us so I'm more interested in hearing if anyone else has a theory.
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Shachza on January 27, 2010, 12:18:04 AM
Quote from: Scuravolpe on January 26, 2010, 09:37:52 PM
I have one question...

How the fudge do you pronounce her name?

Seems minor I know...but I'm a stickler for the details like that. I've been saying it "Seem" so far, but as far as I know it could be "Same", "Say-May", "Semm-Ay"...and a few more awkward ones (at least to me).

So, anyone have any clarification on this? I'd like to know, and I'm sure it's occurred to others too.

I keep thinking it's "Seh-mee."


Crikey!  A wild Amber!  Get me hoop net out the box, we got us a hunt!  *stalks the Wiku*
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Arapaima on January 27, 2010, 01:11:17 AM
I prefer "seem" my self, probably because it sets up the most puns.

Title: Re: 01/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] - Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Alondro on January 27, 2010, 04:58:50 PM
*Charline hmms*  Despair, eh?  Charles could provide her with plenty of emotional food.  Of course, one might wonder why Charles is always in despair...

*Charles*  Can never... ever... get away from Charline.   :<   :cry
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Scow2 on January 28, 2010, 11:40:00 AM
Quote from: Arcblade on January 26, 2010, 09:22:33 PM
Does anyone else suspect Dan may be one of the 'Cubi who feeds mainly on his own emotions?  For instance,  pain is an easy one, since Pip and Wildy always beat him up.  And he also gets a boost from "doing the right thing for the good of many"  (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_528.php)which sounds self-generated as well. 
I don't think he limits his consumption to himself. Personally, I think the implication is he's a closet Sadomasochist because of his affinity to pain. Just a Lawful Good one. Remember, he's also a Heroic Adventurer, as in the kind that clump together in groups of 4-6 to go raid dungeons and grab fat lutes. And, I think self-feeding Cubi become "numbed" to the emotion they have an affinity to, since you can't have your cake emotion and eat it too. Therefore, his ability to feed on pain is very useful when fighting Creatures, because he grows in power while also reducing the incapacitating pain of himself and allies during combat.

His affinity for the emotions affiliated with "Doing the Right Thing" motivates him to carry on with his heroics, and as it's not necessarily a "pleasant" emotion like joy, it means he's literally getting a constant energy boost for doing the right thing. In his case, Right really does make Might.
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Arcblade on January 28, 2010, 11:57:58 AM
Quote from: Scow2 on January 28, 2010, 11:40:00 AM
I don't think he limits his consumption to himself. Personally, I think the implication is he's a closet Sadomasochist because of his affinity to pain. Just a Lawful Good one. Remember, he's also a Heroic Adventurer, as in the kind that clump together in groups of 4-6 to go raid dungeons and grab fat lutes. And, I think self-feeding Cubi become "numbed" to the emotion they have an affinity to, since you can't have your cake emotion and eat it too. Therefore, his ability to feed on pain is very useful when fighting Creatures, because he grows in power while also reducing the incapacitating pain of himself and allies during combat.

His affinity for the emotions affiliated with "Doing the Right Thing" motivates him to carry on with his heroics, and as it's not necessarily a "pleasant" emotion like joy, it means he's literally getting a constant energy boost for doing the right thing. In his case, Right really does make Might.

Hence the word "mainly."  Especially since he doesn't constantly adventure.  He can't live on ale, after all...  (For the life of me, I can't find the comic I'm referencing.  Something about Dan thinking ale was full of vitamins and minerals.)

Getting numbed to emotions is an interesting idea, but we've seen no evidence for such a mechanic in the comic.  Until then, I doubt it.  The same food might get boring after awhile, but since to my memory, Dan didn't realize he was only drinking ale for sustinence, I'm guessing he either doesn't notice or doesn't care. 
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Tapewolf on January 28, 2010, 12:00:17 PM
Quote from: Arcblade on January 28, 2010, 11:57:58 AM
For the life of me, I can't find the comic I'm referencing.  Something about Dan thinking ale was full of vitamins and minerals.)

http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_305.php

...right first guess  :B
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Scow2 on January 28, 2010, 12:15:49 PM
Quote from: Arcblade on January 28, 2010, 11:57:58 AM
Getting numbed to emotions is an interesting idea, but we've seen no evidence for such a mechanic in the comic.  Until then, I doubt it.  The same food might get boring after awhile, but since to my memory, Dan didn't realize he was only drinking ale for sustinence, I'm guessing he either doesn't notice or doesn't care. 
What I'm saying isn't that it get's "Boring", it's that once you eat an emotion, you no longer have it. Therefore, as Dan unconsciously consumes the pain of himself, his allies, and enemies, he's gaining the energy from it while eliminating the painful sensation.

Actually, re-reading what I thought were cases of Fa'lina eating emotions away turn out to be a different form of her using power to negate emotions... There goes my theory.
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Arcblade on January 28, 2010, 12:21:36 PM
Quote from: Scow2 on January 28, 2010, 12:15:49 PM
Quote from: Arcblade on January 28, 2010, 11:57:58 AM
Getting numbed to emotions is an interesting idea, but we've seen no evidence for such a mechanic in the comic.  Until then, I doubt it.  The same food might get boring after awhile, but since to my memory, Dan didn't realize he was only drinking ale for sustinence, I'm guessing he either doesn't notice or doesn't care.  
What I'm saying isn't that it get's "Boring", it's that once you eat an emotion, you no longer have it. Therefore, as Dan unconsciously consumes the pain of himself, his allies, and enemies, he's gaining the energy from it while eliminating the painful sensation.

Actually, re-reading what I thought were cases of Fa'lina eating emotions away turn out to be a different form of her using power to negate emotions... There goes my theory.

I guess I always thought of emotion-feeding as more of a "harvesting some as it goes by" type thing.  Like it doesn't drain the emotion/feeling, but channels it into the hungry 'cubi instead of letting it dissipate.  

Tapewolf:  Oh, that's where that went.  Thanks!  :)
Title: Re: 01/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] - Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: inuhanyo on January 28, 2010, 07:07:58 PM
Remember, emotions just catalyse the 'Cubi ability to live off of magic.  Emotions are not an energy source as such.
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Shachza on January 28, 2010, 07:09:18 PM
Quote from: Arcblade on January 28, 2010, 12:21:36 PM
Quote from: Scow2 on January 28, 2010, 12:15:49 PM
Quote from: Arcblade on January 28, 2010, 11:57:58 AM
Getting numbed to emotions is an interesting idea, but we've seen no evidence for such a mechanic in the comic.  Until then, I doubt it.  The same food might get boring after awhile, but since to my memory, Dan didn't realize he was only drinking ale for sustinence, I'm guessing he either doesn't notice or doesn't care.  
What I'm saying isn't that it get's "Boring", it's that once you eat an emotion, you no longer have it. Therefore, as Dan unconsciously consumes the pain of himself, his allies, and enemies, he's gaining the energy from it while eliminating the painful sensation.

Actually, re-reading what I thought were cases of Fa'lina eating emotions away turn out to be a different form of her using power to negate emotions... There goes my theory.

I guess I always thought of emotion-feeding as more of a "harvesting some as it goes by" type thing.  Like it doesn't drain the emotion/feeling, but channels it into the hungry 'cubi instead of letting it dissipate.

That's how I saw it.  Like cutting hair; you can take a little off the top and it'll grow back.  Or you can remove the whole head, but then it doesn't grow back.  I'm sure 'cubi can choose whether to take a little here and there for sustenaince, or take it all for a temporary boost.
Title: Re: 01/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] - Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: 127.0.0.2 on January 28, 2010, 07:14:26 PM
Quote from: Scow2 on January 28, 2010, 12:15:49 PM
What I'm saying isn't that it get's "Boring", it's that once you eat an emotion, you no longer have it. Therefore, as Dan unconsciously consumes the pain of himself, his allies, and enemies, he's gaining the energy from it while eliminating the painful sensation.

Actually, re-reading what I thought were cases of Fa'lina eating emotions away turn out to be a different form of her using power to negate emotions... There goes my theory.

That would have had interesting implications for the perceived "niceness" of the different cubi clans, too. Clans that feed off negative emotions (like most clans we know so far) would probably get a huge boost in popularity among non-cubi while clans that feed off positive emotions would become the "bad guys". Everything would be upside down.

(At least till the first Being completely devoid of fear gets overrun by a car...)

... Oh, and Kish'Ta horror movies would mostly be visited by kindergartens and grade schools. Because it's the only place were you could be 100% sure not to get scared ;)
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Tapewolf on January 28, 2010, 07:30:17 PM
Quote from: Shachza on January 28, 2010, 07:09:18 PM
That's how I saw it.  Like cutting hair; you can take a little off the top and it'll grow back.  Or you can remove the whole head, but then it doesn't grow back.  I'm sure 'cubi can choose whether to take a little here and there for sustenaince, or take it all for a temporary boost.

I figured it was something like them picking up surplus energy that is radiated away and otherwise wasted.

AFAIK (and DMFA lore is subject to change without notice) - it is possible to do a forced emotional absorption and actively suck it out of the subject, but this takes more energy to perform than you'd gain by doing it, so it's only useful for suppressing the emotion, which can still be handy.
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: AmigaDragon on January 28, 2010, 10:31:26 PM
Quote from: Scow2 on January 28, 2010, 11:40:00 AM
Remember, he's also a Heroic Adventurer, as in the kind that clump together in groups of 4-6 to go raid dungeons and grab fat lutes.

And what's wrong with the skinny lutes, other than not having as full sound? Have we ever seen Dan playing any kind of musical instrument? Anyone else (just the (somewhat) major characters) in DMFA?
Title: Re: 01/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] - Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Les on January 29, 2010, 03:49:57 AM
you know, It IS possible Dan just has a naturally high pain tolerance rather than him 'cubi-ing the pain 'elsewhere' while his magi-metabolism goes *Schhhhhhlurrrrrp* on the emotional response to it.   8)
Title: Re: 01/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] - Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Shachza on January 29, 2010, 11:21:05 AM
Quote from: Les on January 29, 2010, 03:49:57 AM
you know, It IS possible Dan just has a naturally high pain tolerance rather than him 'cubi-ing the pain 'elsewhere' while his magi-metabolism goes *Schhhhhhlurrrrrp* on the emotional response to it.   8)

Or it could be all the Pip huggles.  Jack (http://zebragirl.keenspot.com/cast.html) from Zebra Girl developed resistance to pain from fire by being immolated repeatedly.
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: candide on January 29, 2010, 05:51:49 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on January 26, 2010, 11:19:47 AM
I have found it better to be vague and let people be free to do their own things rather than to give them a precise answer they take as an absolute truth...only to become a bit upset when a comic shows up that completely smashes what I said prior.
Y'know, Amber, I've heard that many authors often find their characters "independently" deciding to do things ... or not tell them things.

So, one very viable out to trying to explain details of the world that you've created is to shrug your shoulders and tell us, "Dunno.  The characters haven't told me yet."  :D
Title: Re: 01/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] - Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Feather Dancer on January 29, 2010, 06:10:54 PM
Quote from: candide on January 29, 2010, 05:51:49 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on January 26, 2010, 11:19:47 AM
I have found it better to be vague and let people be free to do their own things rather than to give them a precise answer they take as an absolute truth...only to become a bit upset when a comic shows up that completely smashes what I said prior.
Y'know, Amber, I've heard that many authors often find their characters "independently" deciding to do things ... or not tell them things.

So, one very viable out to trying to explain details of the world that you've created is to shrug your shoulders and tell us, "Dunno.  The characters haven't told me yet."  :D


Ain't that the truth. Happens to me all the time, bar the Lope who can be taken at face value no problem.
Title: Re: 01/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] - Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: LionHeart on January 29, 2010, 07:26:35 PM
I've had that happen to me with RP characters. One suddenly announced that he was a distant relative of Puss in Boots; another revealed that she liked alternate history novels...
Title: Re: 01/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] - Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: candide on January 29, 2010, 09:06:20 PM
Even better is when you ask a character, characters, or entire species something about themselves and get back, "That's on a need-to-know basis, and you don't need to know."    :mowwink
Title: Re: 01/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] - Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: white wolf on January 29, 2010, 10:44:50 PM
Seme is gorgeous. :3 makes me want a wallpaper of her. Since were on the topic of emotions and all i was wondering how "emotion-jammer" works? i know Abell used it on Dan but I'm new to the forums so I'm sorry if this has already been asked before. And just to plug the link a bit...click the link in my sig, you can make some money that you could donate to amber without having to do much. its an easy 21$ every 30 days if you do it everyday. and that's only counting the paid to clicks  :boogie
Title: Re: 01/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] - Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Tapewolf on January 30, 2010, 08:18:54 AM
Quote from: white wolf on January 29, 2010, 10:44:50 PM
Seme is gorgeous. :3 makes me want a wallpaper of her.

Well, this might help as a base:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/3322466/

Also, FYI, advertising your signature in a post - especially one that looks kind of like some weird scam - breaks rule 4C, specifically part 1... please don't do it again.
Title: Re: 01/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] - Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Chakat Blackspots on January 30, 2010, 01:24:45 PM
Quote from: white wolf on January 29, 2010, 10:44:50 PM
Seme is gorgeous. :3 makes me want a wallpaper of her. Since were on the topic of emotions and all i was wondering how "emotion-jammer" works? i know Abell used it on Dan but I'm new to the forums so I'm sorry if this has already been asked before. And just to plug the link a bit...click the link in my sig, you can make some money that you could donate to amber without having to do much. its an easy 21$ every 30 days if you do it everyday. and that's only counting the paid to clicks  :boogie

I do agree Seme is gorgeous, also, in the DMFA world, I wonder what causes someone to have two tails?  But the advertising/begging, not so nice here.
Title: Re: 01/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] - Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Arcblade on January 30, 2010, 02:30:54 PM
Quote from: kusanagi-sama on January 30, 2010, 01:24:45 PM
Quote from: white wolf on January 29, 2010, 10:44:50 PM
Seme is gorgeous. :3 makes me want a wallpaper of her. Since were on the topic of emotions and all i was wondering how "emotion-jammer" works? i know Abell used it on Dan but I'm new to the forums so I'm sorry if this has already been asked before. And just to plug the link a bit...click the link in my sig, you can make some money that you could donate to amber without having to do much. its an easy 21$ every 30 days if you do it everyday. and that's only counting the paid to clicks  :boogie

I do agree Seme is gorgeous, also, in the DMFA world, I wonder what causes someone to have two tails?  But the advertising/begging, not so nice here.

Radiation!  Oh, wait, this is Furrae.  Magic!
Title: Re: 01/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] - Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Anker Steadfast on January 31, 2010, 08:23:14 PM
On a side note of Dan and Pain :

http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_310.php
Title: Re: 01/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] - Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Darkmoon on January 31, 2010, 11:12:41 PM
Quote from: white wolf on January 29, 2010, 10:44:50 PM
Seme is gorgeous. :3 makes me want a wallpaper of her. Since were on the topic of emotions and all i was wondering how "emotion-jammer" works? i know Abell used it on Dan but I'm new to the forums so I'm sorry if this has already been asked before. And just to plug the link a bit...click the link in my sig, you can make some money that you could donate to amber without having to do much. its an easy 21$ every 30 days if you do it everyday. and that's only counting the paid to clicks  :boogie

Banned for three days for Link Spamming. Read the rules.
Title: Re: 01/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] - Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: LionHeart on February 01, 2010, 11:05:37 AM
Quote from: kusanagi-sama on January 30, 2010, 01:24:45 PMI do agree Seme is gorgeous, also, in the DMFA world, I wonder what causes someone to have two tails?

Well, she is a shapeshifter. Presumably, she has two tails because she wants to.
Title: Re: 01/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] - Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Chakat Blackspots on February 01, 2010, 07:24:59 PM
Quote from: LionHeart on February 01, 2010, 11:05:37 AM
Quote from: kusanagi-sama on January 30, 2010, 01:24:45 PMI do agree Seme is gorgeous, also, in the DMFA world, I wonder what causes someone to have two tails?

Well, she is a shapeshifter. Presumably, she has two tails because she wants to.

Hmm, that makes the most sense there.  I hadn't thought about that aspect.
Title: Re: 1/25/10 [Clan Leaders #4] Two-Tailed Seme
Post by: Mrs_A_ZeTavia on February 02, 2010, 06:56:49 PM
Quote from: Shachza on January 27, 2010, 12:18:04 AM
Quote from: Scuravolpe on January 26, 2010, 09:37:52 PM
I have one question...

How the fudge do you pronounce her name?

Seems minor I know...but I'm a stickler for the details like that. I've been saying it "Seem" so far, but as far as I know it could be "Same", "Say-May", "Semm-Ay"...and a few more awkward ones (at least to me).

So, anyone have any clarification on this? I'd like to know, and I'm sure it's occurred to others too.

I keep thinking it's "Seh-mee."


Crikey!  A wild Amber!  Get me hoop net out the box, we got us a hunt!  *stalks the Wiku*


Well if you're stalking the ellusive Wiku, here's a stuff ninja turtle plushie............who's knows it might come in handy! :mowhappy