What is Albanion wearing and why topiary? Also what was Mab saying? The final what? So man questions
What he always wears. A sort of skirt like-loincloth. They seem to be popular in with male creatures...
I'm wondering what "that final one" she's refering to is.... I'm guessing some sort of wepon he'll build in the future. Though the question remains, since the bangles do nothing but basically say"DO NOT TOUCH" why should the creature council be less afraid of consequences if they touch him without them? Is 2 Fae pissed at them that much different then 1 (Namely Mab)
I don't know how much is going to be revealed here, but I already know more than I did before, and I don't know whether to be excited or saddened by the prospect of delving deeper into the mystery....
Quote from: Lego3400 on August 03, 2009, 12:51:53 AM
I'm wondering what "that final one" she's refering to is.... I'm guessing some sort of wepon he'll build in the future. Though the question remains, since the bangles do nothing but basically say"DO NOT TOUCH" why should the creature council be less afraid of consequences if they touch him without them? Is 2 Fae pissed at them that much different then 1 (Namely Mab)
Would
you like a pissed-off immortal reality warper hunting you down?
This promises to be very interesting. I am so filled with questions as to what Jyrras is going to create in the future. Maybe some sort of fusion device designed to convert magical energy into electricity, with a side-effect of creating an anti-magic effect in the area around it? Nah, too weird. Hmmm... oooh, I am so interested in this! Curse you Amber for making an interesting story!
Also, is anyone reminded of Disney's
Sleeping Beauty? Where the three good fairies (conflict in terms, but whatever) are discussing turning Aurora into a flower to protect her from pricking her finger? And then Merryweather reminds them that Maleficent knows how to counter that?
Mab could try... I don't know... the truth... or a reasonable facsimile of it.
With the right spin just about anything can look good to those that are not in the loop.
Mab: Jyrras, Albanion didn't curse you for no reason... I asked him to curse you to protect you from the creature council.
Jyrras: ... WHAT! ...MAB!!!
Mab: Jyrras, I didn't want you to get hurt... half of them would be afraid of an MePod and AA batteries because they have no magic. I figured if Albanion cursed you they would not act upon their fears.
Jyrras: Well since you put it that way... I guess I can live with the curse. Thanks Mab.
(This script was brought to you by insomnia...)
why not tell him the truth? or something close to it so that he won't worry about the bands
Learning that one of your best friends is the reason behind your curse bangles would probably send someone as emotionally unstable as Jyrras into hysterics. Learning that a powerful council of creatures has it out for you because of your life's work would probably terrify someone as meek as Jyrras. And learning that Mab can plan and scheme is simply enough to catch anyone of guard. Learning all three of those things in one swoop would probably scramble your brain beyond repair.
How do we know that its the creature council? Maybe it's something worse
"The final one"... Is either an Armageddon device that says, "Don't even think about touching me." or it's a gift... A boon. Something that Jyras can create that will forever put him on the good side of every being and creature in Furrae. (So the latter is really just me being wishful, but I'm a dreamer.)
The problem with putting the world on the pin of a needle is that it can pop...
Hmmm, is that an aardvark I see in the distance?
Well her's somthing that might help understand what it could be. Mab starts the final sentance in the second panel whit "but" and not "and". So if you make try and fill out the three dots at the end it sounds more like it's a good machined that will help people. If she had started whit "and" it would have pointed twords it being some super wepon.
Here are some examples: -But whit out that final one we'll never cure cancer.
-And whit out that final one the creatur council can't enslave everyone. (this sentance doesn't fit the expretion so it is less likly that it's some super wepon)
I have to wonder if this is the overall plot of DMFA or just one of several threads.
Quote from: SuaveIV on August 03, 2009, 02:14:42 AM
Hmmm, is that an aardvark I see in the distance?
I. . .have no idea what you're talking about. Unless it's the cloud, which isn't really aardvark-like.
Quote from: Garsemor on August 03, 2009, 02:37:22 AM
Well heir's something that might help understand what it could be. Mab starts the final sentence in the second panel whit "but" and not "and". So if you make try and fill out the three dots at the end it sounds more like it's a good machined that will help people. If she had started whit "and" it would have pointed towards it being some super weapon.
Here are some examples: -But whit out that final one we'll never cure cancer.
-And whit out that final one the Creator council can't enslave everyone. (this sentence doesn't fit the expiration so it is less likely that it's some super weapon)
"And" and "but" don't really care about that sort of thing. I'm pretty sure "but" was chosen for grammatical context.
Hmm... This is certainly a predicament. If only there were some way Albanion were in on Mab's plans to protect Jyrras, and thus make it so that the wicked Albanion, knowing how much Jyrras dreads the curse, makes his revenge to be that the bangles be permanent, acting as a constant reminder of what he did. That the presence of said bangles scares off cougar demons like Kria is meerly an... oversight.
But that could never happen, right?
Quote from: The_one_who_is_odd on August 03, 2009, 01:43:21 AM
How do we know that its the creature council? Maybe it's something worse
Well, since it's kinda mentioned in the comic, I kinda figured that's who it is.
Who knows what will happen next...Tune into next epic adventures of Dan and Mab!
Quote from: !KCA on August 03, 2009, 03:11:27 AM
I have to wonder if this is the overall plot of DMFA or just one of several threads.
Several threads, I'd say. I'm kind of curious as to who Mab's five friends are specifically. If Fa'Lina is one of those, even Dan being in SAIA might not be enough to protect him.
From Mab's conversations with Pip (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_847.php) and Albanion (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1027.php), it looks Mab is trying to protect her friends, but her plans are having undesired consequences. Regarding Albanion's comment about statues, it may be that he is simply saying that there is no way to completely protect her friends and still let them live their lives. (Mab does have a tendency to take things too literally.)
Or Albanion could just be being whimsical.
I might be being slow here, but does anyone know why the Council would put pressure on Jyrrus? So far, all I know is that the stuff he makes lacks magic, and that's as far as it goes. The question I have is why on earth the council would even bother putting pressure on Jyrrus if all he's actually making in majority (minus secret projects) are stuff like household blenders or dishwashers.
Actually, the big thing I'm wondering about the creature council is how they can actually work as a cohesive force. As I understand it, creatures are generally solitary creatures with large, fragile egos and excessively care about power. The thing is, if they're all made up of large fragile egos (and have some sort of political power over other creatures.), wouldn't they be too busy with infighting and otherwise stabbing each other in the back to pose as a unified threat to... well, anyone. Granted, they may be individually powerful, and may have their fair share of political sway as far as their creatures go, but I can't imagine them acting in unison in an attempt to keep what is seen as the weakest race on furrae down, if anything, they would be turning their attention towards trying to one-up each other, since reasonably the other council members would be a bigger threat.
I'd also project, that beings would also not be a unified force as well. I'd imagine they can often use creatures as a scapegoat towards other problems, but realistically they'd be active in a lot of infighting as well. Though from the stance of the creature council, it seems they think that beings (if Jyrras released his weapons out to the public) would be a unified force.
Quote from: Madmann135 on August 03, 2009, 01:13:14 AM
Mab could try... I don't know... the truth... or a reasonable facsimile of it.
With the right spin just about anything can look good to those that are not in the loop.
Bah! The truth is NEVER plot-convenient! You need to watch more anime! Anime character are famous for absolutely never-ever telling everything until near the point of death. And that's how the series last for 500+ episodes, by avoiding anything that might advance the plot and dragging out every scene to a painful length! :3
Hmm, but I wonder who the other four friends are... if Dan is counted, the Creature Council might want to think twice once they find out who he's related to. And Pyroduck is a dragon, linked to Fa'lina, Wildy is powerful among the Twinks and has a brother who rules them... and is linked to Destania, who is then linked back to Dan...
You know, I think the Creature Council would fare quite poorly against most of Mab's friends. Jyrras is the only one without any powerful family connections... well, his mom
is a lawyer, but lawsuits don't help you much when you've been viciously devoured. >:3
Drawing backgrounds in the Fae-Realm must be the funnest thing ever. "Alright, drawing cabinent.... NARGH. Cabinent too hard! Clear blue sky now!"
Quote from: Alondro on August 03, 2009, 09:43:58 AM
well, his mom is a lawyer, but lawsuits don't help you much when you've been viciously devoured. >:3
Yeah they do :3 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_343.php)
We don't know how law is practiced in Furrae. It could resemble something from a satirical science fiction novel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gladiator-At-Law).
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Edit:
Please remember that being a successful lawyer in Furrae means that you have to regularly deal with very powerful creatures and deal with them successfully. Actually, the best approach would seem to be divide and conquer.
As for Jyrras having a weapon that nullifies a creature's power, how about a weapon that causes their magic to explode like a bomb. Defense and offense in one package.
hmm...my little tid bit of thought,
1. if one remembers Fae(mab in particular) have very VERY ....desctructive capabilities, if anyone remembers Mabs gleen perhaps?, If even ONE Fae were to actually become TIcked off.....the Destructive forces released may be enough to completly Obliterate anyone they wanted in a nanosecond.
2. Jyras makes all kinds of machines, several mixing magic and Technology, the most dangerous and helpful i could think of would have to be some kind of machine that would grant or destroy the abilites of magic in creatures, i mean think about it, if you could use it on a Fae that was your enemy they would have no strength to fight you with or may even kill them. the same goes for the creature council, many use inate magic of some kind even or Being might be GIVEN magical abilites.....could you even IMAGINE a being like Jyras with a FAE'S MAGIC >_< :erk
hrmm granting magic to creatures would put them onto a power level more in line with beings and with creatures far far out populating beings, this could be a bad thing for all of them iiffff creatures got organized and planned a war against the beings... except that sounds too serious for this comic... *imagines dan, wildly, mab in combat outfits and Jyrras as the mad general* ... ... ... This needs Drawing!!
Maybe it's just me, but being topiary doesn't sound that bad. Or being a statue, for that matter...
But I suppose I'm just weird. :3
I tried it once on a MUCK. I was playing an otter made out of molten metal to stop people from hugging me, and after a couple of them burst into flames they splashed water on me and turned me into a statue.
...it was really boring, even just pretending to be a statue. I definately wouldn't want to actually be a statue.
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 03, 2009, 05:49:09 AM
Several threads, I'd say. I'm kind of curious as to who Mab's five friends are specifically. If Fa'Lina is one of those, even Dan being in SAIA might not be enough to protect him.
I think that even if Fa'Lina is on the Council, she might just see 'technology' as just another topic to teach at SAIA. (If you view technology as the application of knowledge to achieve goals, then it's identical to magic.)
I can imagine the Creature Council being dangerous while they pester Jyrras about his workshop - in the same way that a friendly wolf can do unintentional damage when it gets really curious about what you have in your pocket. But why would they object to one really powerful being? There would be no practical difference between the way they'd have to deal with him and the way they have to deal with each other.
The fear must be based on lots of beings being able to duplicate his success. Maybe his Last Big Invention will not be something that gives power but rather something that gives the ability to create metaphoric power. Something simple which will grow with time. Like a library, or a ballpoint pen, or photocopier, or camera.
Or something akin to teh internets.
There is a Cubi of "unknown" identity on the council (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_367.php), and it doesn't look like Fa'Lina.
Quote from: ANTIcarrot on August 03, 2009, 03:54:12 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 03, 2009, 05:49:09 AM
Several threads, I'd say. I'm kind of curious as to who Mab's five friends are specifically. If Fa'Lina is one of those, even Dan being in SAIA might not be enough to protect him.
I think that even if Fa'Lina is on the Council, she might just see 'technology' as just another topic to teach at SAIA. (If you view technology as the application of knowledge to achieve goals, then it's identical to magic.)
Heh. Especially nowadays. Consider the technology that is so mundane to us these days.
Why, we have learned how to create synthetic lightning, and not only direct it at will but to shape it as we please.
One well known application is the reproduction of illustrated manuscripts, wherein a single image may be reproduced anywhere on the planet, in as many copies as requested and as often as requested, given the appropriate sorcerous instruments. This feat of wizardry is not even restricted to the hoary practictioners of the arcane arts, indeed, it is now such a common feat that it is even done for mere entertainment. Legend even has it that the younger mages have proven more adept than their elders at summoning these scrying spells.
*grabs the forum's chain and gives it a good yank*
Quote from: ooklah on August 03, 2009, 02:35:13 PM
hrmm granting magic to creatures would put them onto a power level more in line with beings and with creatures far far out populating beings, this could be a bad thing for all of them iiffff creatures got organized and planned a war against the beings... except that sounds too serious for this comic... *imagines dan, wildly, mab in combat outfits and Jyrras as the mad general* ... ... ... This needs Drawing!!
Are you sure that you are not thinking of this one. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_026.php)
Quote from: Naldru on August 03, 2009, 04:53:37 PM
Are you sure that you are not thinking of this one. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_026.php)
HAH! I completely and totally was not, blast it's already been done!
QuoteWould you like a pissed-off immortal reality warper hunting you down?
No. But what makes them less afraid of 1 then 2... Aside from there being 1 instead of 2...
Quote from: Buhamet on August 03, 2009, 08:20:58 AM
I might be being slow here, but does anyone know why the Council would put pressure on Jyrrus? So far, all I know is that the stuff he makes lacks magic, and that's as far as it goes. The question I have is why on earth the council would even bother putting pressure on Jyrras if all he's actually making in majority (minus secret projects) are stuff like household blenders or dishwashers.
Because they're capable of taking a long view. In a society built and ruled by magic, technology upsets the order of things. A toaster is not inherently dangerous. But the means to make a toaster and the processes involved in a toaster can be turned to other applications, some of which CAN be dangerous. As long as magic was the rule in the world, those who possessed magic could maintain control over things. Anyone who was born with magic power would have to go to someone who knew how to use it (presumably a creature) to have it trained. So not only would they be instilled with ethics of magic use (which probably included "don't overthrow the establishment") but they'd become a known factor that those in charge could keep an eye on.
Jyrras' technology upsets that. It can be used by pretty much anyone, with a minimum of training. In the proper forms, that technology could make anyone and everyone suddenly capable of harming or killing creatures, presenting a clear threat to the established order. The creature council recognizes the potential for that danger, and so they have plans to deal with Jyrras.
To illustrate my point, a piece of our own history. Crossbows, and later guns, were considered unfair by the Catholic church, and reportedly banned, because they made a peasant with a week of training capable of killing an armored knight who had spent his entire life learning his trade. Such weapons can seriously upset the balance of power, and while the creatures don't KNOW that Jyrras has weapons, they clearly do know that inventions aren't made in a vacuum. To make the things he's made, Jyrras must understand certain principles and physical laws that would allow him to make things that ARE dangerous, and the creatures know it.
QuoteI'm wondering what "that final one" she's refering to is.... I'm guessing some sort of wepon he'll build in the future. Though the question remains, since the bangles do nothing but basically say"DO NOT TOUCH" why should the creature council be less afraid of consequences if they touch him without them? Is 2 Fae pissed at them that much different then 1 (Namely Mab)
Well, the real question is, can Mab actually do something about it?
Fae are apparently extremely powerful, but lest we forget, they self-impose limitations on themselves. Mab may be able to resolve the situation, but in her current "role", she may well "not" be able to destroy everyone who pursues her friends. Or, alternatively, the fae may not have truly limitless power, and enough angry creatures could overwhelm them. In particular, the dragons seem to be special in some way as well (as they, along with fae, were said to only be allowed to be there because the world just wasn't all that important) and might be a real problem. Albanion himself is fairly important, however, and it is worth noting there are at least rumors that Albanion is a bit of a nutter in that regard and may be a fae creatures are loath to annoy.
Or its possible Mab hasn't even thought about it. Mab's plans don't always seem to be all that well thought out.
QuoteSeveral threads, I'd say. I'm kind of curious as to who Mab's five friends are specifically. If Fa'Lina is one of those, even Dan being in SAIA might not be enough to protect him.
Well, I'm assuming they're Dan, Wildy, Lorenda, and Alexi, but I guess it could be some other people.
QuoteI might be being slow here, but does anyone know why the Council would put pressure on Jyrrus? So far, all I know is that the stuff he makes lacks magic, and that's as far as it goes. The question I have is why on earth the council would even bother putting pressure on Jyrrus if all he's actually making in majority (minus secret projects) are stuff like household blenders or dishwashers.
A few reasons.
1) Creatures feel themselves to be superior to beings. Beings being as strong as creatures threatens that superiority.
2) The culture of power that creatures have; if anyone can pick up a gun and become stronger, then that messes up the entire structure of many of their societies.
3) They fear that which they do not understand.
QuoteActually, the big thing I'm wondering about the creature council is how they can actually work as a cohesive force. As I understand it, creatures are generally solitary creatures with large, fragile egos and excessively care about power. The thing is, if they're all made up of large fragile egos (and have some sort of political power over other creatures.), wouldn't they be too busy with infighting and otherwise stabbing each other in the back to pose as a unified threat to... well, anyone. Granted, they may be individually powerful, and may have their fair share of political sway as far as their creatures go, but I can't imagine them acting in unison in an attempt to keep what is seen as the weakest race on furrae down, if anything, they would be turning their attention towards trying to one-up each other, since reasonably the other council members would be a bigger threat.
Are all creatures so individualistic, though? The incubi, for instance, have their clans, which are apparently fairly important to them, and other societies may have other structures. Some of the creatures (for instance, the bug-people and the mers) appear to live in complete organized societies of their own, and all the phoenix oracles seem to be in one group as well. It may just be that only a few of the creatures are so factionalized, and they're the ones we see because they stir up the most trouble and/or are the most likely to be out on their own in society.
Quote from: Buhamet on August 03, 2009, 08:20:58 AM
I might be being slow here, but does anyone know why the Council would put pressure on Jyrrus? So far, all I know is that the stuff he makes lacks magic, and that's as far as it goes. The question I have is why on earth the council would even bother putting pressure on Jyrrus if all he's actually making in majority (minus secret projects) are stuff like household blenders or dishwashers.
Actually, IIRC, the very lack of magic is what has them worried. That what used to require magic is now being done without magic... and those methods are advancing. But also, we do know that Jyrras has developed magic based tech too. I mean, think of the patches. He's managed to mass produce magic without even having any innate magic.
I once again put forward the proposition that Jyrras is potentially really really scary. :)
Quote from: Psy-Kosh on August 03, 2009, 08:14:35 PM
Quote from: Buhamet on August 03, 2009, 08:20:58 AM
I might be being slow here, but does anyone know why the Council would put pressure on Jyrrus? So far, all I know is that the stuff he makes lacks magic, and that's as far as it goes. The question I have is why on earth the council would even bother putting pressure on Jyrrus if all he's actually making in majority (minus secret projects) are stuff like household blenders or dishwashers.
Actually, IIRC, the very lack of magic is what has them worried. That what used to require magic is now being done without magic... and those methods are advancing. But also, we do know that Jyrras has developed magic based tech too. I mean, think of the patches. He's managed to mass produce magic without even having any innate magic.
I once again put forward the proposition that Jyrras is potentially really really scary. :)
I believe the trope is "Beware the Nice Ones." Alternatively, "Crouching Scholar, Hidden Badass." Jyrras is arguably one of the most dangerous entities on the planet. In the fields of magic and science, he understands and is capable of using both to advance both fields to levels others cannot (the patches, again). That makes him a very dangerous piece in the game, and with a little work he might become one of the players. I'm not going to finish this extended analogy with another metaphor.
Quote from: Jairus on August 03, 2009, 09:40:05 PMI believe the trope is "Beware the Nice Ones." Alternatively, "Crouching Scholar, Hidden Badass." Jyrras is arguably one of the most dangerous entities on the planet. In the fields of magic and science, he understands and is capable of using both to advance both fields to levels others cannot (the patches, again). That makes him a very dangerous piece in the game, and with a little work he might become one of the players. I'm not going to finish this extended analogy with another metaphor.
I'd say he's already a player. I mean, he's head of a major corporation, and _EXTREMELY_ rich, and that itself is enough to give him lots of influence. Combined with the rest, well...
And what's the metaphor you were thinking of, hrmmm?
Quote from: Psy-Kosh on August 03, 2009, 10:06:30 PM
Quote from: Jairus on August 03, 2009, 09:40:05 PMI believe the trope is "Beware the Nice Ones." Alternatively, "Crouching Scholar, Hidden Badass." Jyrras is arguably one of the most dangerous entities on the planet. In the fields of magic and science, he understands and is capable of using both to advance both fields to levels others cannot (the patches, again). That makes him a very dangerous piece in the game, and with a little work he might become one of the players. I'm not going to finish this extended analogy with another metaphor.
I'd say he's already a player. I mean, he's head of a major corporation, and _EXTREMELY_ rich, and that itself is enough to give him lots of influence. Combined with the rest, well...
And what's the metaphor you were thinking of, hrmmm?
Pawn. He can become a player in the game instead of a pawn.
Wait a minute... supergenius? Head of a company? Freaking rich? Oh great, Jyrras is this world's Tony Stark. "I AM IRON RAT!"
Quote from: Jairus on August 03, 2009, 10:11:08 PM
Wait a minute... supergenius? Head of a company? Freaking rich? Oh great, Jyrras is this world's Tony Stark. "I AM IRON RAT!"
Check out the colors on hisrobotic super suit (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_403.php)
I just realized. Jyras's "final one" can't be an Armageddon device (or other such malicious thing). He's already invented that one... She even named herself appropriately.
Quote from: Jairus on August 03, 2009, 10:11:08 PMWait a minute... supergenius? Head of a company? Freaking rich? Oh great, Jyrras is this world's Tony Stark. "I AM IRON RAT!"
Given the size of his mechs, wouldn't it be "I AM IRON EARZILLA"?
Quote from: Naldru on August 03, 2009, 06:29:24 AM
Regarding Albanion's comment about statues, it may be that he is simply saying that there is no way to completely protect her friends and still let them live their lives.
You, sir, are a frickin' genius. That has to be one of the most intelligent insights I've seen here... Good call.
The friends are probably Dan, Wildy, Alexsi and Merlitz. Mab's on comfortable terms with Lorenda, but they've only known each other for six months, if that.
As for the final weapon: Considering that DMFA is supposedly about the conflict that arises when fantasy (creatures) and reality (beings/humans) collide, wouldn't the final weapon be an atomic bomb? I think we can all agree that a weapon capable of leveling cities and rendering an entire countryside uninhabitable for decades on end is not only humankind's greatest military achievement, but would also stop any Creature Council investigation of Jyrras. If he got a chance to prove it worked, that is.
Quote from: Indy on August 04, 2009, 02:50:19 AM
As for the final weapon: Considering that DMFA is supposedly about the conflict that arises when fantasy (creatures) and reality (beings/humans) collide, wouldn't the final weapon be an atomic bomb? I think we can all agree that a weapon capable of leveling cities and rendering an entire countryside uninhabitable for decades on end is not only humankind's greatest military achievement, but would also stop any Creature Council investigation of Jyrras. If he got a chance to prove it worked, that is.
Jyrras probably has some nukes gathering dust somewhere already. Remember he can build gryphon mechs (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_851.php), I think it's safe to assume he's worked out fusion reactors or some other such advanced power source. If Jyrras builds doomsday weapons I wouldn't be surprised if they could reach Class X on the Apocalyse How scale (Planet Busters, basically), since he is rather adept at combining magic and technology as already mentioned.
Less impressive than the gryphon mechs would be the metallurgy involved in actually allowing machines that big to work, move, etc. But aside from that Jyrras is what, twenty-something? He's incredibly young and has already achieved in his life what takes people lifetimes or more to accomplish. If anything he's dangerous for the insane rate at which he learns and develops.
edit) He's 21: http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_631.php (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_631.php)
Quote from: Arapaima on August 04, 2009, 10:19:27 AM
Less impressive than the gryphon mechs would be the metallurgy involved in actually allowing machines that big to work, move, etc. But aside from that Jyrras is what, twenty-something? He's incredibly young and has already achieved in his life what takes people lifetimes or more to accomplish. If anything he's dangerous for the insane rate at which he learns and develops.
edit) He's 21: http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_631.php (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_631.php)
Yes. (http://www.missmab.com/Cast/jyrras.php)
With regard to Beware the Nice Ones (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BewareTheNiceOnes), you have a number of nice people who could probably be extremely destructive if pushed too far. I believe that Dan counts as nice, but he once destroyed a room of Deathknights with a spork. Jyrras with his giant mechas and farming and mining equipment. I also suspect that Pyroduck could be a very scary opponent. And let's not forget what happens when Aliyka loses her temper.
I believe that it was in Terry Pratchett's Sourcery that one of the characters remarked that he was so powerful that it was like living in a world made of eggshells. That would certainly apply to the Fae. Mab can easily stop any fight. The problem is ending a fight without ending everything.
While looking at TV Tropes, I also spotted Good is Not Nice (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GoodIsNotNice). Some of the attributes listed for this type are loner, his morals get in the way of ignoring people, he had problems with his father, develops a Jerkass Facade to cover his true feelings, and repulses attempts to be friendly with him. I'm surprised I didn't see a picture of Abel.
If this keeps up we'll have a goth/emo Mab in the comic again.
Well, if I'm not mistaken, this is a new side of Mab. Or, at least, new eyes. I like those eyes. Have I mentioned I like where the plot is going?
I wonder (not having read the rest of the topic) exactly what Mab means. What kind of pressure? How would Jyrras "react"? And wouldn't Jyrras going public with his weapons (or on a one-roo-rat rampage) be exactly what the Creature Council is afraid of?
Actually, as far as reactions to pressure by the Powers That Be goes... just how big is JyCorp, anyway?
Quote from: Caswin on August 04, 2009, 04:11:59 PM
I wonder (not having read the rest of the topic) exactly what Mab means. What kind of pressure? How would Jyrras "react"? And wouldn't Jyrras going public with his weapons (or on a one-roo-rat rampage) be exactly what the Creature Council is afraid of?
In a nutshell, it is inferred that the Creature Council doesn't like the ideas of Jyrras' technology. If word ever gets out that he has built these weapons, the rammifications will not be lost on the Creature Council; suddenly, you have nonmagical beings weilding weapons powerful enough to bring down established magical Creatures. They won't like that, and it appears Mab is afraid they might try to stop Jyrras from producing any more. She is also afraid that if that happens, the exact opposite effect that the Council wants will occur; Jyrras will either mass-produce and distribute the weapons, or turn them agains the Creatures himself. And if -that- happens, the Creatures will react will all the force that they possess and, Mab is afraid (and Albanion is reinforcing) that they will destroy Jyrras and all other friends.
Quote from: Lucheek on August 03, 2009, 10:20:22 PM
Quote from: Jairus on August 03, 2009, 10:11:08 PM
Wait a minute... supergenius? Head of a company? Freaking rich? Oh great, Jyrras is this world's Tony Stark. "I AM IRON RAT!"
Check out the colors on hisrobotic super suit (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_403.php)
Heh. You couldn't choose the comic where he makes his Dramatic Entrance in the GryphonMech? http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_401.php
So yeah, either that or he's this dimension's Bruce Wayne.
"What are you dense? Are you retarded or something? Who the hell do you think I am? I'm the g******n KangarooRatman."
Quote from: ishidan on August 04, 2009, 05:39:26 PM
Quote from: Lucheek on August 03, 2009, 10:20:22 PM
Quote from: Jairus on August 03, 2009, 10:11:08 PM
Wait a minute... supergenius? Head of a company? Freaking rich? Oh great, Jyrras is this world's Tony Stark. "I AM IRON RAT!"
Check out the colors on hisrobotic super suit (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_403.php)
Heh. You couldn't choose the comic where he makes his Dramatic Entrance in the GryphonMech? http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_401.php
So yeah, either that or he's this dimension's Bruce Wayne.
"What are you dense? Are you retarded or something? Who the hell do you think I am? I'm the g******n KangarooRatman."
Then again, given the colors on his most recent unit (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_851.php), he might not quite be an Iron Man. Blue and silver... I know I've seen those colors before on some superhero.
And unlike Tony Stark, I doubt that Jyrras drinks much. For some reason, I have the feeling that Jy-squeak can't hold his alcohol very well, but I don't know why I have that thought.
Ah, I see, thanks. Should've read closer. Especially that bit about "that final one", that confused me.
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on August 04, 2009, 05:20:01 PMThey won't like that, and it appears Mab is afraid they might try to stop Jyrras from producing any more.
This is the part that I was really thinking about. How does a shadowy cabal go about leaning on a multibillion-dollar company?
Quote from: Caswin on August 04, 2009, 08:53:17 PM
Ah, I see, thanks. Should've read closer. Especially that bit about "that final one", that confused me.
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on August 04, 2009, 05:20:01 PMThey won't like that, and it appears Mab is afraid they might try to stop Jyrras from producing any more.
This is the part that I was really thinking about. How does a shadowy cabal go about leaning on a multibillion-dollar company?
Well, to be fair, they are centuries-old extremely powerful magical beings who probably have agents of their own, and he is a 21 year old gay kangaroo rat with no magical powers whose only physical ability is the ability to outrun all of them on the ground. I can see a few ways they could lean on him, or at least think that they could...
Quote from: Caswin on August 04, 2009, 08:53:17 PM
Ah, I see, thanks. Should've read closer. Especially that bit about "that final one", that confused me.
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on August 04, 2009, 05:20:01 PMThey won't like that, and it appears Mab is afraid they might try to stop Jyrras from producing any more.
This is the part that I was really thinking about. How does a shadowy cabal go about leaning on a multibillion-dollar company?
1. There is also the factor of Jyrras family, his mother maybe ok, but the shadow cabal can threaten Jyrras' sisters and Jyrras might fold like wet noodle.
2. They produce negative campaign ads of Jyrras that can ruin his image and company name forcing him to go out of business.
I am curious say what final invention is I doubt is a doomday weapon, but a powersorce that will give all beings the power to fight the creatures.
Quote from: Jairus on August 04, 2009, 08:30:07 PM
Blue and silver... I know I've seen those colors before on some superhero.
And unlike Tony Stark, I doubt that Jyrras drinks much. For some reason, I have the feeling that Jy-squeak can't hold his alcohol very well, but I don't know why I have that thought.
Not 'latest' if Deebs followed instructions and got rid of it to start over.
No, it's when Jy barely comes up to the top of the sole-pad on a machine painted purple and blue...
Quote from: demecowen on August 04, 2009, 09:33:49 PM
Quote from: Caswin on August 04, 2009, 08:53:17 PM
Ah, I see, thanks. Should've read closer. Especially that bit about "that final one", that confused me.
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on August 04, 2009, 05:20:01 PMThey won't like that, and it appears Mab is afraid they might try to stop Jyrras from producing any more.
This is the part that I was really thinking about. How does a shadowy cabal go about leaning on a multibillion-dollar company?
1. There is also the factor of Jyrras family, his mother maybe ok, but the shadow cabal can threaten Jyrras' sisters and Jyrras might fold like wet noodle.
2. They produce negative campaign ads of Jyrras that can ruin his image and company name forcing him to go out of business.
I am curious say what final invention is I doubt is a doomday weapon, but a powersorce that will give all beings the power to fight the creatures.
Towards number one, I think that if you threaten Jy's sisters, two things are gonna happen: Jy's probably gonna get pissed off and kill you (they may be overbearing and smothering, but they are his sisters), and Moira's gonna come after you. As for number two, not only does that not sound like something that creatures would do, but Moira - again - would be after you. And, eurgh. I dunno if I like the power source idea. I mean, I can see it being workable, but I think that whatever Jyrras builds is more metaphysical in nature of its effect. Something outwardly simple, but it has absolutely enormous ramifications on the future of Furrae. It might have something to do with magic, rather than technology: he was studying magic, after all, and that's what created Deebs, and we know he understands how to create what is in essence a computer controlled shapeshifting spell. Then again, his pure technology is still a key part of it... hm.
Quote from: ishidan on August 05, 2009, 02:37:06 AM
Quote from: Jairus on August 04, 2009, 08:30:07 PM
Blue and silver... I know I've seen those colors before on some superhero.
And unlike Tony Stark, I doubt that Jyrras drinks much. For some reason, I have the feeling that Jy-squeak can't hold his alcohol very well, but I don't know why I have that thought.
Not 'latest' if Deebs followed instructions and got rid of it to start over.
No, it's when Jy barely comes up to the top of the sole-pad on a machine painted purple and blue...
Ah, right. Then again, since we haven't seen the new one, that's what we've got to go on in terms of most recent color choices on Jy's part.
Actually, the final one may not be a weapon at all. Just a side thought that it may be related to creature creation...
Quote from: Psaakyrn on August 05, 2009, 12:07:57 PM
Actually, the final one may not be a weapon at all. Just a side thought that it may be related to creature creation...
Good thought. Jyrras has already created life twice, and any created life is by definition a creature...
Quote from: Attic Rat on August 06, 2009, 12:11:22 AM
Quote from: Psaakyrn on August 05, 2009, 12:07:57 PM
Actually, the final one may not be a weapon at all. Just a side thought that it may be related to creature creation...
Good thought. Jyrras has already created life twice, and any created life is by definition a creature...
However, I think Psaakyrn may have meant "Creature creation", which is not quite the same thing.
I would posit that whatever is powering the Gryph-Mech is magical. If you have a nuclear weapon, you don't keep it a secret. If nobody knows about it, it cannot be an effective deterrent. Jyrras realizes that he is in danger, as evidenced by his behavior with Lorenda. He's smart enough to realize that being able to tell the Council exactly what city will be made uninhabitable if he dies would be a great advantage.
TL;DR, if he had a nuke then everyone would know.
Quote from: Zaarin on August 06, 2009, 09:53:09 PM
I would posit that whatever is powering the Gryph-Mech is magical. If you have a nuclear weapon, you don't keep it a secret. If nobody knows about it, it cannot be an effective deterrent. Jyrras realizes that he is in danger, as evidenced by his behavior with Lorenda. He's smart enough to realize that being able to tell the Council exactly what city will be made uninhabitable if he dies would be a great advantage.
TL;DR, if he had a nuke then everyone would know.
Uhh, wut? Jyrras has no magical skills, although he has scientific skills unmatched (including the ability to synthesize effects previously only done by magic: what are his patches except synthetic Polymorph spells?). Why would he try to come up with a magical powerplant instead of a scientific one?
Besides, a nuclear powerplant is not a nuclear bomb. Although you do have the possibility of a Chernobyl-style meltdown in a sufficiently poorly-designed (or intentionally fail-dangerous designed) plant, which is what you are positing. But then, what's to say that a magical powerplant isn't also a walking bomb: drop the warding spells, and the magical energy escapes all at once.
Likewise, if you want to build a scorched-earth suicide bomb, why build it into a big, ostentatious target like the Gryph-mech? You quoted one wise line from Dr. Strangelove (On deadman-switched nuclear bombs: "The value of such a weapon is lost, if you keep it a secret! Why didn't you tell the world, huh?") , here's another:
"When you merely wish to bury bombs, there is no limit to the size." And Jy-Corp owns a LOT of land...
Are they in the Fae kingdom now? If so, shouldn't Mab's tail be rubber banded to not be fluffier then Nutmeg's :p
Quote from: ishidan on August 07, 2009, 02:03:34 AM
Quote from: Zaarin on August 06, 2009, 09:53:09 PM
I would posit that whatever is powering the Gryph-Mech is magical. If you have a nuclear weapon, you don't keep it a secret. If nobody knows about it, it cannot be an effective deterrent. Jyrras realizes that he is in danger, as evidenced by his behavior with Lorenda. He's smart enough to realize that being able to tell the Council exactly what city will be made uninhabitable if he dies would be a great advantage.
TL;DR, if he had a nuke then everyone would know.
Uhh, wut? Jyrras has no magical skills, although he has scientific skills unmatched (including the ability to synthesize effects previously only done by magic: what are his patches except synthetic Polymorph spells?). Why would he try to come up with a magical powerplant instead of a scientific one?
Besides, a nuclear powerplant is not a nuclear bomb. Although you do have the possibility of a Chernobyl-style meltdown in a sufficiently poorly-designed (or intentionally fail-dangerous designed) plant, which is what you are positing. But then, what's to say that a magical powerplant isn't also a walking bomb: drop the warding spells, and the magical energy escapes all at once.
Likewise, if you want to build a scorched-earth suicide bomb, why build it into a big, ostentatious target like the Gryph-mech? You quoted one wise line from Dr. Strangelove (On deadman-switched nuclear bombs: "The value of such a weapon is lost, if you keep it a secret! Why didn't you tell the world, huh?") , here's another:
"When you merely wish to bury bombs, there is no limit to the size." And Jy-Corp owns a LOT of land...
If he can build a nuclear plant, he can probably build a bomb. Since he doesn't have a bomb, he probably doesn't have a power plant. We have seen spells create elemental effects, and with those effects you could generate power. If he can science up a continuous, large fire spell, he can make it steam powered.
I never said anything about putting a bomb in the Gryph-Mech. He could go Liberty Prime and start tossing them at any creatures who anger him, though.
I just watched that old 1965 movie "Flight of the Phoenix" again. I'm not sure it'd be possible, but if Jyrras ever went "Heinrich Dorfmann" on them, the world would have reason to tremble.
In the movie, Heinrich Dorfmann saved the lives of his fellow airplane crash survivors, but I'm still not sure he was quite sane, and I would not wish to be an obstacle in the path of such a person.
The perfect "Engineer flick".
Quote from: Zaarin on August 07, 2009, 10:19:39 AM
If he can build a nuclear plant, he can probably build a bomb. Since he doesn't have a bomb, he probably doesn't have a power plant. We have seen spells create elemental effects, and with those effects you could generate power. If he can science up a continuous, large fire spell, he can make it steam powered.
I never said anything about putting a bomb in the Gryph-Mech. He could go Liberty Prime and start tossing them at any creatures who anger him, though.
That...still doesn't make any sense.
In fact, you've got your order of operations backwards: nuclear reactors are useful in making nuclear bombs (plutonium breeder reactors), but not the other way around. That's for fission, of course, fusion is a whole nother ballgame.
He has no nuclear power plants because he has no nuclear bombs? This would be like saying "Because Cubi can shapeshift, they can probably also turn invisible. Because there are no invisible Cubi, they can't shapeshift." (and don't get whiny on me about this analogy and bringing in unrelated people, the point is that two similar but not identical skills can exist independently, and lack of one does not mean lack of the other)
Jyrras could very well have a reactor without also having a bomb. Likewise, how do you KNOW he has neither?
I don't think Jycorp has any intention of developing weapons beyond compensating for Jyrras' Napoleon Complex like the Gryff-Mech, or out of curiosity of what he can do that he doesn't want to be famous for. To him, invention is an artform. His "Farming and Mining Equipment" is like his "Mature portfolio": He doesn't want to be associated with what he puts in it, but can't resist the temptation to use his "artistic talent" to delve into "forbidden territory". For many artists, that "forbidden territory" is squicky erotica. For Jyrras, it's kickass weaponry.
On the concept of nuclear weaponry and power: I do not see how not demonstrating a nuclear weapon dismisses the chance of nuclear fission or even fusion reactors. Jyrras, and by extentions Jycorp, focuses on producing domestic and novelty items (Patches, refigerators, toasters, etc), not destructive weapons. However, it is possible that in a quest for an exceptional powersource, he developed nuclear weaponry for research purposes only. Doomsday superweapons just aren't his "fetish", to continue the artistic metaphor, so he doesn't consider storing an actual weapon in his basement with his gatling guns and laser cannon. He wouldn't have any reason to present the nuclear arms to the world because JyCorp is a business only concerned with making money, not concerning itself with global non-economic politics. Therefore, they have no need for any nuclear weaponry beyond "Yep, it creates the source of power we need".
The problem I have with the "Steam-power" theory is the stuff looks more cyberpunk than steam-punk.
The reason the creature council fears Jyrass, as has been said, is because it threatens the Creature Superiority, because to them, Beings have gone mostly linear Warrior-style advancement, while they have Quadratic-Wizard advancement. But Technology/Science advancement is exponential, and Jycorp has a pretty massive multiplier value, taking them from medieval to post-modern in... less than five years? In addition, unlike magic and physical prowess, technology is seperate and transerferable transferrable from person to person and generation to generation, so killing the greatest technological threat doesn't reset the entire process unless you destroy all prototypes, plans, and backups, and even then there is the threat that the auxiliary research and knowledge used to come up with the weaponry in the first place will can still be used to remake it again.
The only thing I see that saves the "Creatures" is their acceptance of the use of the technology for themselves. However, at the rate of advancement, the immense bonus granted by technological advancement will dilute the physical and magical advantages creatures have over beings, so in the end cubi and demons would be little more than merely cosmetically different from the other races at birth (But cosmetic tech like patches would be able to change even that!) Bye-bye creature superiority, hello egalitarianism.
Quote from: Scow2 on August 07, 2009, 02:40:34 PM
The problem I have with the "Steam-power" theory is the stuff looks more cyberpunk than steam-punk.
Mine is that it requires Jyrras to know how to summon a continuous fire spell. For creatures, this is not a problem. For Jyrras, it is.
Quote from: Attic Rat on August 07, 2009, 01:08:26 PM
I just watched that old 1965 movie "Flight of the Phoenix" again. I'm not sure it'd be possible, but if Jyrras ever went "Heinrich Dorfmann" on them, the world would have reason to tremble.
In the movie, Heinrich Dorfmann saved the lives of his fellow airplane crash survivors, but I'm still not sure he was quite sane, and I would not wish to be an obstacle in the path of such a person.
The perfect "Engineer flick".
Ah, but you see it would have been quite logical for him to have pretended to be not quite sane. For example, suppose that he wasn't the one who had stolen the water. Would he have been intelligent enough to realize that the search for the water thief would have potentially torn the group apart. Whereas by claiming to be the water thief and not appearing quite sane, he produced a situation where the others could have felt superior to him and therefore increased the cohesiveness of the group.
May I suggest that you would also like No Highway in the Sky (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Highway_in_the_Sky). If you read the Wikipedia entry, please remember that Nevil Shute was an aeronautical engineer.