I have noticed in Abel's stories lately Amber has gone a bit over the PG rating, in comic #35 Devin says "the f***..."
and just recently page #38, Xander calls Devin "furrae's biggest cockmuncher"
now, Im not one to complain but whats going on?
Dude, I told you, Disclaimer page. Fateen rated. F-bomb has been dropped. Why are you noticing just now?
Ahh Topher Abel's story is web MA Amber put up a warning at the begining...
MA? JACK is rated MA (along with containing Drip). This is PG-13. As I said, the Disclaimer page. That's why the button doesn't link directly to the next Abel comic.
Well if ya want to get technical its NC-14 which I consiter MA...
No, just...no, that's not MA. Jack got MA for a good reason. The Abel Comic merely pushes the NC-14 rating because we have yet to see any blood.
Edit:
(http://www.mabsland.com/Pandas/Censor_14b.gif)
The Fateen rating (I swear she used to flip you off).
Edit2: Oh wait, she does.
*double smack* Different countries, different systems
Just as a reference the Australian system is pretty much
C - Children
G - General (8+)
PG - Parental Guidance (12+ )
M - Mature (15+)
MA - Mature Adults Only (15+ only)
R - Restricted (18+ only)
Or something like that...
Then it would lie on M over there.
:yeahthat I'm an Aussie so thats what I go with...
M, not MA. You said MA.
Sorry that was ment to be for Kasarn's post.
BTW Topher, you really should avoid posting in both forums if you want to get a point across. It's tacky.
Anyways, http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_02.php if people have forgotten.
Yeesh, we got 13 years old reading Jack, you think they shouldn't be allowed to read the Abel comic? It's funny till they join the forum begging for porn, then it gets sad, then funny all over again.
Her Mabness has spoken and so the matter is closed...
Quote from: Manawolf on July 16, 2006, 02:31:53 AM
Yeesh, we got 13 years old reading Jack, you think they shouldn't be allowed to read the Abel comic? It's funny till they join the forum begging for porn, then it gets sad, then funny all over again.
I think they shouldn't be allowed to read Jack either.
What they'll do in the end is their problem.
By telling them not to read it, Amber just tries to avoid later complaints.
In the future computers will become Super-Nannies and hit 13 year-olds whenever they attempt to look up anything smutty (and then send them to the naughty corner). :3
That will be a dark day for anyone 17 or under. :lol
We have things rated for certain ages here too (no letter codes, but we have movies and other things for people over 13, 14, 16, 18 and 21). Though people swear in TV shows and movies regardless of their rating.
I think the things with content that may be found offensive should contain a warning about what it has, and then the viewer/reader should decide whether s/he still wants to see/read it or not. Except in the case of little children who don't know how impressionable they are until they find out the hard way, but I think most people above 10 years old should be capable of determining what they can deal with and what they'd rather avoid.
Quote from: Gabi on July 16, 2006, 10:59:30 AM
We have things rated for certain ages here too (no letter codes, but we have movies and other things for people over 13, 14, 16, 18 and 21). Though people swear in TV shows and movies regardless of their rating.
I think the things with content that may be found offensive should contain a warning about what it has, and then the viewer/reader should decide whether s/he still wants to see/read it or not. Except in the case of little children who don't know how impressionable they are until they find out the hard way, but I think most people above 10 years old should be capable of determining what they can deal with and what they'd rather avoid.
You obviously do not spend any time around kids in the 11-13 age group. 14/15 and up I could agree with you there, but not really 10 in many cases
Well, I don't spend much time with them now, but I spent a lot of time with them when I was that age.
Then again, I was never an 'average kid', so you may be right. Between 10 and 15 it could be up to the parents to decide. After all, they're supposed to know their children.
I do think it's sad how little parental involvement people really want to have now-adays. The number of kids you see going to movies that are just too scary (or inappropriate) for them is pathetic.
This might be a bit controversial and forgive me if it is but ... why does swearing even matter?
I admit that I had an incredibly poor and uninvolved upbringing, I was exposed to things that most kids of an incredibly young, tender and impressionable age usually aren't. I don't cuss my head off, why? Most of the time it's just an action used to insult people, which is the bastion of the bumbling idiot (hello Devon & co!).
The thing is, words have meanings that have been completely distorted over time, give it 300 years and someone will find a dirty use for the word armchair and then armchair is going to be the 'cool' insult word for kids possessed of grandiose potty-mouth.
To be honest, from my own personal experiences, I think the only way to raise a child to actually use swearing regularly or to use it as an insult is to actively parent but to be parents worse even than mine were, the kind of parent who'd teach children from a very young age that yes, swearing is bad and that yes, people should do it at every oppurtunity.
If kids don't get the gist that it's so "naughty" or rebelling against the system, they likely won't do it. Most kids cuss for attention anyway, so that's just how it goes.
I wouldn't think that kids reading Abel's Story would be a big deal, personally. What I would think is a big deal is giving false importance to particular words. If a kid reads a bunch of words with no specific importance then they're none the wiser. Even if they do use it once or twice, they'll get bored of it.
As I said, I grew up with absolutely no parental supervision whatsoever, I picked up some of the foulest stuff under the sun and I simply don't use it most of the time, even as a kid I didn't. They were just words.
I know Amber had to give the story a NC-14 rating to protect herself legally but still, even without it I can't see why people spaz over words. It just makes no sense to me.
After all, if I ever have a kid, I swear I'm going to teach him to say "Douche" and "Read a damn dictionary!"
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I'm sorry if I came on a little strong there but I think Amber getting burned over a couple of words, even after posting an NC-14 rating, was completely and utterly absurd.
I mean, if she'd chosen to retell Nazi Germany in the most horrid way possible or had a very complicated sex scene involving things people didn't normally do in sex, I'd understand. That would put a parent in a very complicated and awkward position to try to explain that. I wouldn't make the fuss that most people do but hey ...
Anyway, I can't get over the fuss that most people make over a word, especially when kids TV in most countries is violent enough to give them nightmares by default.
I just had a thought that while BEFORE it might've been bad to swear, the words these days have very little meaning because of their overuse. The F-word, for instance. It means everything now. I've even heard a few people in high school who can't go two words without sticking another variation of the F-word into the sentence. It's gotten to the point where they're just words now, and using them in a particularly dirty way ends up being just like any other regular word with a double meaning. It kind of ends up going both ways.
Quote from: Amber Panyko on July 16, 2006, 02:31:28 AM
*Snip*
Anyways, http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_02.php if people have forgotten.
OMG I CAN'T READ THAT ITS SIX PARAGRAPHS OF SOLID TEXT!!!11 OMG MY DELICATE SENSIBILITIES!!!
why are you people making this such a big deal? jeeze...you were warned on the disclaimer page...if you didn't read it,...too bad for you :mowtongue
I'm 13 and I read Jack. I really don't think age has much anything to do with it, but maturity and the personal child. If that kind of thing upsets them- then no. It really shouldn't matter all that much.
And, like others, said: There is a disclaimer page, and the cursing (really) is mild if an offense at all. :P
:yeahthat
However, the use of the F-word doesn't exactly convey any sense of dignity, respect, intelligence, decency, taste, or manners.
The fact that we are so desensitised to the F-word (and other like it) just means that it's being used too often.
Quote from: Eibbor_N on July 16, 2006, 03:29:31 PM
Quote from: Amber Panyko on July 16, 2006, 02:31:28 AM
*Snip*
Anyways, http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_02.php if people have forgotten.
OMG I CAN'T READ THAT ITS SIX PARAGRAPHS OF SOLID TEXT!!!11 OMG MY DELICATE SENSIBILITIES!!!
You assault the forums and all our eyes with 2 consecutive sentences in all caps, both of which you ended in multiple exclamation points, and started off with *cough* 'OMG', and you, sir, still claim to have 'delicate sensibilities'? <\pedantic superior prattle> :mowwink
Ok people....Lock and drop!
:meh
Quote from: RJ on July 16, 2006, 06:26:59 AM
In the future computers will become Super-Nannies and hit 13 year-olds whenever they attempt to look up anything smutty (and then send them to the naughty corner). :3
That or the exact opposite and computers will BE the porn. Virtual date holograms anyone?
Quote from: Fresnor on July 16, 2006, 10:21:05 PM
Quote from: RJ on July 16, 2006, 06:26:59 AM
In the future computers will become Super-Nannies and hit 13 year-olds whenever they attempt to look up anything smutty (and then send them to the naughty corner). :3
That or the exact opposite and computers will BE the porn. Virtual date holograms anyone?
Isn't there some anime based on some kind of computer-girl-thing? That's what you remind me of right now.
Quote from: Fresnor on July 16, 2006, 10:21:05 PM
That or the exact opposite and computers will BE the porn. Virtual date holograms anyone?
:3 EEEEKK!! Naughty images with Jack Sparrow Forming in my miiiind!!!
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on July 16, 2006, 10:26:00 PM
Quote from: Fresnor on July 16, 2006, 10:21:05 PM
Quote from: RJ on July 16, 2006, 06:26:59 AM
In the future computers will become Super-Nannies and hit 13 year-olds whenever they attempt to look up anything smutty (and then send them to the naughty corner). :3
That or the exact opposite and computers will BE the porn. Virtual date holograms anyone?
Isn't there some anime based on some kind of computer-girl-thing? That's what you remind me of right now.
Do you mean 'A.I Love You' by the person who did 'Love Hina'?
I believe the mean Chobits RJ :P
http://www.madman.com.au/actions/series.do?videogramId=12&method=view
Quote from: RJ on July 16, 2006, 10:47:01 PM
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on July 16, 2006, 10:26:00 PM
Quote from: Fresnor on July 16, 2006, 10:21:05 PM
Quote from: RJ on July 16, 2006, 06:26:59 AM
In the future computers will become Super-Nannies and hit 13 year-olds whenever they attempt to look up anything smutty (and then send them to the naughty corner). :3
That or the exact opposite and computers will BE the porn. Virtual date holograms anyone?
Isn't there some anime based on some kind of computer-girl-thing? That's what you remind me of right now.
Do you mean 'A.I Love You' by the person who did 'Love Hina'?
Sorry to say I really don't know, my memory of anything that isn't actually on my TV is short.
...Or, as Paladin said, could be Chobits. *shrugs*
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on July 16, 2006, 10:26:00 PM
Isn't there some anime based on some kind of computer-girl-thing? That's what you remind me of right now.
I would expect there would be many...
video girl ai - or chobits
Yeah, a number of anime have computer-girls of some kind or another. Chobits its possibly the most popular.... in America at least.
I am reminded of the movie "four weddings and a funeral". In Germany, it was rated suitable for 6 years and up. In the US, it was rated R, which means that below 17 year olds can only get in with their guardian.
Reason: Language, in particular the british fondness for a certain four letter word.
Quote from: Stig Hemmer on July 30, 2006, 07:06:36 PM
I am reminded of the movie "four weddings and a funeral".
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Reason: Language, in particular the british fondness for a certain four letter word.
If you're thinking of the intro sequence, I was amazed they were allowed to do that.
If you're not thinking of the intro sequence, well - I didn't see much more that that. I didn't think much of it.
Four Weddings and a Funeral gets 6 years and up in Germany, yet the censoring department for video games runs amok over there (the replacement of swastikas in WW2 games is one example of these occurances). There was also the job they did on RE4, taking out the minigames along with a bunch of other stuff. No self respecting German gamer bought an actual copy of the German RE4, they all ordered imports.
Yeah, but german law makes it illegal to do any replica of the Nazi regime - jackbooted walking is illegal, just as an example, and will get you arrested, charged, and fined. In fairly short order, no less.
Different strokes for different folks. *shrug*
Which reminds me of the Fawlty Towers 'Don't Mention the War' episode. :B
Quote from: Manawolf on August 01, 2006, 05:22:39 AM
Four Weddings and a Funeral gets 6 years and up in Germany, yet the censoring department for video games runs amok over there (the replacement of swastikas in WW2 games is one example of these occurances). There was also the job they did on RE4, taking out the minigames along with a bunch of other stuff. No self respecting German gamer bought an actual copy of the German RE4, they all ordered imports.
Censoreship in germany is a bit on the crazy side. In Mortal Kombat, all the blood was colored green, and in Turok (the first one) all human enemies were replaced by robots.
Since somwhere in 2003 the censorship has been reduced a bit, but swastikas are still illegal, except in art. Videogames are not seen as art by german law, so any videogame about the second world war has to do without the nazi symbol.
The swastika thing is somewhat understandable, seeing Germany's past in the 2 world wars.
Thank goodness for the internet.
Quote from: Vidar on August 01, 2006, 08:45:12 AM
Since somwhere in 2003 the censorship has been reduced a bit, but swastikas are still illegal, except in art. Videogames are not seen as art by german law, so any videogame about the second world war has to do without the nazi symbol.
Yes. If ever I manage to work out enough weird tricks to do
Return to Castle Intel Wolfenstein, I've already decided to replace all swastikas with acid faces using Gimp.