I came across a website ranking thing called Websiteoutlook.com, that estimates how much a website is worth based on traffic. They are here: According to them, DMFA stats are:
Pageviews/day...12,470, Rank (out of ALL websites)...88,205th, Net Worth...$28,769.30 US
For comparison, some other comics:
Lackadaisy: 5,045 218,006th
Sabrina Online: 3,860 284,901st
Vinci and Arty: 1,236 889,836th
Jack: 21,100 52,131st
Remember, those rankings are out of the more than 5,000,000,000 websites on the internet. That means DMFA is more popular (traffic wise) than 99.9982% of the whole internet. More stuff here: http://www.websiteoutlook.com/www.missmab.com (http://www.websiteoutlook.com/www.missmab.com)
Another, not quite so scientific list is the Belfry Web Comic Index. Belfry is a list of 5,737 webcomics - mostly anthropomorphic ones. They run a subscription thing for webcomics. Looking at their list of most read comics, http://belfrycomics.net/view/mostread (http://belfrycomics.net/view/mostread), out of those 5,737, here are the top 15:
# 1 *Better Days ALV
# 2 *Jack ALNVX
# 3 *Peter is the Wolf ANVX
# 4 *Dan & Mab's Furry Adventures
# 5 *Kevin & Kell
# 6 *FreeFall
# 7 *Twokinds AN
# 8 *Furry Animal Magic ALNVX
# 9 *Sabrina Online A
# 10 *Danielle Vix ALNVX
# 11 *Wacintosh File... New! ALN
# 12 *Las Lindas ALN
# 13 *Girl Genius V
# 14 *Ménage à 3 ANX
# 15 *Sequential Art AL
Those letters are various content warnings, which DMFA doesn't require, of course.
A Adult Situations
L Adult Language
N Nudity
V Graphic Violence
X Explicit (NC-17)
Just thought I'd share.
SUCKERS! :U
It is difficult to trust any figures that you see on the web. As they say, there are lies, damn lies, and statistics. The site says that it merges information from multiple sources, but doesn't say how they are combined or evaluated for accuracy. I would actually view the belfry statistics as more reliable, at least for ranking sites, because it apparently uses a simpler algorithm with less fudge factors.
I also find it difficult to believe that there are 5 billion (5,000,000,000) web sites. As I recall, the theoretical limit of IPv4 addresses is only around four billion, and only a fraction of those are actually in use, with only a fraction of those having web sites. Even if the average host has 10 web sites, the number seems too large. Five billion web pages might be possible.
However, entering "dan mab furry" on http://www.google.com indicates 10,800 results, and the blurbs on the entries are quite favorable. Since the numbers on rankings seem to agree, this seems to lend support to their validity.
However, I believe that the most accurate and meaningful measurement of the comic strip is the response to the auction for a guest appearance.
Quote from: Rafe on January 04, 2009, 10:15:17 PM
Net Worth...$28,769.30 US
Impressive. Mine is worth less than a tenth of that by their metrics.
QuoteThose letters [on Belfry] are various content warnings, which DMFA doesn't require, of course.
I have been wondering whether Abel's Story should be listed as a separate entity for that reason.
Still, this leads to an obvious conclusion -
If Amber wants DMFA to gain in popularity, and gain further money-making potential, she needs those letters. Lets see some outbursts of profanity and adult situations, or maybe nudity. Explicit sex and graphic violence can be added later. We know you can do it. Once you get those letters you will rule the web-comic world!
I have to agree, it is rather hard to trust such websites.. They went by daily views? Well, Sabrina Online only updates monthly. And on the last and first of every month, its traffic rate goes haywire.
None the less, time to cash in yet, Mrs. Williams? ^^
Those popularity ratings need to take update schedules into account. Rather than a per day (week, month) reader count, take a per scheduled update count. If a comic updates monthly and the readers know that, you arent' going to have everyone checking for an update every day. So in that case you can take the whole month worth of views.
Websiteoutlook is just based on total traffic per day. Obviously more updates equal more traffic.
Belfry though, is looking at how many people read each comic, not how often they go there, so it tells you a little better (perhaps) how many fans a comic has, regardless of the schedule.
Peter is the Wolf, for instance, only updates once a week, but is just ahead of DMFA. If Amber added just a little werewolf porn, I'm sure she could overtake them.
I vote for this path to higher ratings..... >.> <.< Nah just kidding I'm a dirty old man but I'm not that dirty :P
I get a huge kick of DMFA which is is first comic I really started to follow, doing so well as a PG rated comic. More props to Amber I say!
Tho a skimpy Bikini pic of Mab, Fa'lina and Kria would be most awesome >:3
Quote from: Paladin Sheppard on January 05, 2009, 01:11:57 PM
Tho a skimpy Bikini pic of Mab, Fa'lina and Kria would be most awesome >:3
Or Shanna, Anna and Hanna... Maybe a shot with all of the female cast. Though all of these sound like an
*awful* lot of work. Especially considering all of the other things currently 'owed'.
Edit: Added quote to what I was referencing for clarity sake.
*Charline enters wearing fake beard, mustache, and big-nose glasses and speaks in a gravely voice* I iz Eastern European foreigner and iz faz of DMFA. I iz vote for Charline porn for to boost ratingz. Da. :3
Quote from: Alondro on January 05, 2009, 01:22:08 PM
*Charline enters wearing fake beard, mustache, and big-nose glasses and speaks in a gravely voice* I iz Eastern European foreigner and iz faz of DMFA. I iz vote for Charline porn for to boost ratingz. Da. :3
I say good man, haven't I seen you somewhere before? I never miss a face..
Amber is currently under enough stress. We don't want to encourage things that will result in more situations like this one. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_133.php) Amber should follow Shakespeare's advice: "To thine own self be true." Although one fervently hopes that Amber won't encounter a situation like the one in that play.
Regardless of whether we get any DMFA smut... apparently people are already looking for it. >_>
One of my satellite pages gives me statistics on the search keywords folks use, and lately I've been seeing more than a few from folks apparently hunting for the stuff.
Oh, and I think the site is a little suspect at best. According to it I get almost as many pageviews as Vinci and Arty does.
>.> Well think ya worth the page views Jigsaw :)
Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on January 05, 2009, 02:46:02 PM
Regardless of whether we get any DMFA smut... apparently people are already looking for it. >_>
One of my satellite pages gives me statistics on the search keywords folks use, and lately I've been seeing more than a few from folks apparently hunting for the stuff.
DMFA porn, or Last Resort porn? Or both?
Interestingly, I've had people come to mine searching for Last Resort. No porn searches yet, though.
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 05, 2009, 03:03:14 PM
Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on January 05, 2009, 02:46:02 PM
Regardless of whether we get any DMFA smut... apparently people are already looking for it. >_>
One of my satellite pages gives me statistics on the search keywords folks use, and lately I've been seeing more than a few from folks apparently hunting for the stuff.
DMFA porn, or Last Resort porn? Or both?
Interestingly, I've had people come to mine searching for Last Resort. No porn searches yet, though.
Keyword
yet, and it should stay that way really. But just because those people haven't found any doesn't mean there isn't any. Mostly because of rule 34 I suppose, but I myself have found DMFA porn on a site I favor, I'd tell the name but I would likely get in uber trouble. Not much really but it is there. Specifically 7 pics, But I shall say no more.
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 05, 2009, 03:03:14 PM
Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on January 05, 2009, 02:46:02 PM
Regardless of whether we get any DMFA smut... apparently people are already looking for it. >_>
One of my satellite pages gives me statistics on the search keywords folks use, and lately I've been seeing more than a few from folks apparently hunting for the stuff.
DMFA porn, or Last Resort porn? Or both?
Interestingly, I've had people come to mine searching for Last Resort. No porn searches yet, though.
DMFA Porn. As far as I know, LR fanart in and of itself is still pretty rare :-p
Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on January 05, 2009, 04:29:29 PM
DMFA Porn. As far as I know, LR fanart in and of itself is still pretty rare :-p
Now you know the rules of the internet Jigsaw you say it its gonna happen somewhere just to spite you....*Runs off to find an artist who'll do questionable things for money*
I know a few. Amber Williams heads the list...
... access to the list for only three easy payments ;-]
Quote from: Alondro on January 05, 2009, 01:22:08 PM
*Charline enters wearing fake beard, mustache, and big-nose glasses and speaks in a gravely voice* I iz Eastern European foreigner and iz faz of DMFA. I iz vote for Charline porn for to boost ratingz. Da. :3
I would almost feel insulted by this if it wasn't funny! Btw ve Eastern European foreigners zpeak Englizh very goot, at least better then you zpeak Eastern language, Da!? :cool
Quote from: Paladin Sheppard on January 05, 2009, 04:31:42 PM
Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on January 05, 2009, 04:29:29 PM
DMFA Porn. As far as I know, LR fanart in and of itself is still pretty rare :-p
Now you know the rules of the internet Jigsaw you say it its gonna happen somewhere just to spite you....*Runs off to find an artist who'll do questionable things for money*
I didn't say it didn't exist. I said I was having trouble finding it.
I know if you want it done right you have to do it yourself, but what's the fun in that?
Just to be semi-serious for a bit, I really, really like DMFA the way it is, and trust Amber's judgment and talent to keep it that way. It's high-quality work, and it shows how popular and respected you can be, even without purient content. (But I'm sure any porn would also be respected as well.)
And assuming things stay as they are, I will defend DMFA, even against porn-wielding Zombie-Mab armies.
(http://24.106.113.210/otown/ZombiePorn.jpg)
Hear, hear, Rafe.
I get the feeling that those stats were rigged somehow.
I'll get to the bottom of this if it somehow kills me.
Quote from: Ramsey on January 06, 2009, 08:22:32 PMI get the feeling that those stats were rigged somehow.
I'm still rather shocked that Better Days is #1. Everything I've heard about it is that it's utter Randroid crap.
Dunno.. read the series myself, I do, and it seems okay. But, then again, in my opinion? ALL polls are rigged. It's a political contagion, I tells you.
Quote from: superluser on January 06, 2009, 10:37:41 PM
Quote from: Ramsey on January 06, 2009, 08:22:32 PMI get the feeling that those stats were rigged somehow.
I'm still rather shocked that Better Days is #1. Everything I've heard about it is that it's utter Randroid crap.
It has good art. Subpar storyline imo.
I also heard the creator is a total egomaniac as well as a fullfledged jerk. Just what I heard though.
Obscurity is that which keeps the double edged rule at bay. That's why I wouldn't put artwork of the characters I've created on the net even if I could draw. As all should know , absence is the greatest form of obscurity.
Quote from: Paladin Sheppard on January 05, 2009, 04:31:42 PM
Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on January 05, 2009, 04:29:29 PM
DMFA Porn. As far as I know, LR fanart in and of itself is still pretty rare :-p
*Runs off to find an artist who'll do questionable things for money*
Well gee, that narrows it down.
I mean, it's like walking into DragonCon and saying "I need a nerdy guy with glasses."
Too bad for you that I don't go to any cons.
Quote from: Valynth on January 07, 2009, 03:13:59 AM
Well gee, that narrows it down.
I mean, it's like walking into DragonCon and saying "I need a nerdy guy with glasses."
*Charles pops in* You called?
Quote from: Rafe on January 05, 2009, 07:32:04 PM
Just to be semi-serious for a bit, I really, really like DMFA the way it is, and trust Amber's judgment and talent to keep it that way.
I agree completely. I mean, I remember when the ZigZag cameo was mentioned and people got all in a fuss about that sort of character appearing in a PG strip. I was like "This is Amber we're talking about. However way she does it, above all, she'll do it in a way that works with the strip."
It's actually astonishing the amount of creators who you can't trust to stay true to their creations. Either by changing what they have to make it work more like something they're a fan of, or do something that breaks the flow of the strip just to try to appeal to viewers, or just lose track of what their creation is all about and end up rambling on and on aimlessly and formulaically.
Amber is one of the few creators who's made something and sticks by it, who continually puts out great stuff that's true to how she wants it even after all this time, and if she does make a play for viewer interest, it never becomes grotesque, unmanageable or against the grain of the strip itself. (Heck, the wallpaper wars, which were an undisguised way of getting people to donate, were hugely funny and well done in their own right.)
Quote from: Ramsey on January 07, 2009, 12:24:13 AM
Quote from: superluser on January 06, 2009, 10:37:41 PM
Quote from: Ramsey on January 06, 2009, 08:22:32 PMI get the feeling that those stats were rigged somehow.
I'm still rather shocked that Better Days is #1. Everything I've heard about it is that it's utter Randroid crap.
It has good art. Subpar storyline imo.
I also heard the creator is a total egomaniac as well as a fullfledged jerk. Just what I heard though.
Oh, and he draws porn. You left out the porn part.
Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on January 07, 2009, 04:44:26 PM
Quote from: Ramsey on January 07, 2009, 12:24:13 AM
It has good art. Subpar storyline imo.
I also heard the creator is a total egomaniac as well as a fullfledged jerk. Just what I heard though.
Oh, and he draws porn. You left out the porn part.
Pot, this is Kettle. Listen, I don't know how to say this, but there's been some recent conversation regarding your current hue...
;-]
I'll just take this moment to say: There is no DMFA porn in any of my galleries. Stop trying.
...
Even though that probably won't stop people. I'm just going to throw that disclaimer out there.
I'll second the thing about Naylor being a jerk. His art is
fantastic, but his personality? Not so much.
His porn is preferable to Better Days imo.
Quote from: Ink on January 07, 2009, 05:29:12 PM
I'll just take this moment to say: There is no DMFA porn in any of my galleries. Stop trying.
...
Even though that probably won't stop people. I'm just going to throw that disclaimer out there.
Well DAMMIT.
*un-watches Ink on FA*
>:[
my god, where has this discussion gone
Quote from: bill on January 07, 2009, 09:17:40 PMmy god, where has this discussion gone
I blame myself.
And bill.
But mainly myself, for mentioning Naylor and taking this thread down a very predictable route.
I was going to blame myself, but I did not post prior to porn derail
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on January 07, 2009, 09:11:53 PM
I'll second the thing about Naylor being a jerk. His art is fantastic, but his personality? Not so much.
His porn is preferable to Better Days imo.
Better Days isn't porn?
Quote from: bill on January 07, 2009, 09:17:40 PM
my god, where has this discussion gone
To the gutter. All things try to reach the lowest energy state, and I guess that goes for forum threads too.
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 08, 2009, 04:35:02 AM
Quote from: bill on January 07, 2009, 09:17:40 PM
my god, where has this discussion gone
To the gutter. All things try to reach the lowest energy state, and I guess that goes for forum threads too.
...
That sounds like it should be a rule of the internet. "Tapewolf's law: All forum threads attempt to achieve gutter status" or something like that.
Right under rule 47 of the internet which, everybody should know.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 08, 2009, 04:30:27 AM
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on January 07, 2009, 09:11:53 PM
I'll second the thing about Naylor being a jerk. His art is fantastic, but his personality? Not so much.
His porn is preferable to Better Days imo.
Better Days isn't porn?
Porn doesn't have a storyline
Also porn is good, much unlike Better Days
I fixed your post, Bill. You need to look up the edit button. ;-]
... I'd disagree about BD having a storyline, too, though.
I didn't get it; that qualifies as a storyline for me.
Quote from: Jairus on January 08, 2009, 10:42:55 AMThat sounds like it should be a rule of the internet. "Tapewolf's law: All forum threads attempt to achieve gutter status" or something like that.
It's very close to Godwin's law:
As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches one.
I heard Hitler liked DMFA... >:3
And that Hitler grew up to be Albert Einstein.
I'm learning so much about history.
I'm quitting school and using this forum as my primary source of education.
as well as wikipedia
Quote from: Ramsey on January 06, 2009, 08:22:32 PM
I get the feeling that those stats were rigged somehow.
I'll get to the bottom of this if it somehow kills me.
Ha ha I beat you to it...why does it hurt so much.
Quote from: Zina on January 08, 2009, 04:45:30 PM
I'm learning so much about history.
Here, here :cheers right now I rereading DMFA and finding out that the Abel killed Paul *while wearing aluminum hat*.
Abel only kills Paul if you exit out the window, though.
Quote from: bill on January 09, 2009, 06:28:45 PM
Abel only kills Paul if you exit out the window, though.
Abel still kills Paul even if Dan leads him to safety, but then goes back and climbs out the window. I'm filing a bug report with Amber.
It's not a bug. Its a feature! :U
Quote from: Amber Williams on January 09, 2009, 07:29:36 PM
It's not a bug. Its a feature! :U
I guess that explains all of those features.
(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/tapewolf/dmfa/dmfex.png)
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/tapewolf/dmfa/dmfex.png
I regret nothing.
EDIT: added wings
Tapewolf, you are ****ing amazing.
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 09, 2009, 07:48:19 PM
(http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/tapewolf/dmfa/dmfex.png)
http://i89.photobucket.com/albums/k216/tapewolf/dmfa/dmfex.png
I regret nothing.
EDIT: added wings
...
I... don't get it.
Quote from: Jairus on January 09, 2009, 07:58:42 PM
I... don't get it.
Bill was alluding to
Deus Ex (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_ex).
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on January 09, 2009, 07:54:14 PM
Tapewolf, you are ****ing amazing.
Now, I'm kind of surprised
you got it :P
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 09, 2009, 08:07:17 PM
Quote from: Jairus on January 09, 2009, 07:58:42 PM
I... don't get it.
Bill was alluding to Deus Ex (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_ex).
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on January 09, 2009, 07:54:14 PM
Tapewolf, you are ****ing amazing.
Now, I'm kind of surprised you got it :P
I thought it's a monday at the DMV
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 09, 2009, 08:07:17 PM
Quote from: Jairus on January 09, 2009, 07:58:42 PM
I... don't get it.
Bill was alluding to Deus Ex (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_ex).
Well, some of us never played or even saw a lot of these games the rest of you apparently play or at least know.
Quote from: Jairus on January 09, 2009, 07:58:42 PM
I... don't get it.
Don't worry about it. I've played the game and I didn't get it until the picture.
Jay Naylor was popular before Better Days, because he was and still is a porn artist. It's kind of like if John Malkovich suddenly decides out of the blue that he's going to become a puppeteer, then by God he'll be the most popular puppeteer in the world, despite the fact that there were puppeteers before him who actually do a better job of puppeteering.
"Better Days" may as well be entitled, "How Awesome is Fisk?"
I think I preferred BDK's take on Fisk, actually...
So did I. Even if I was uncomfortable with the whole incest thing...
Quote from: Azraelle on January 20, 2009, 02:27:29 AM
"Better Days" may as well be entitled, "How Awesome is Fisk?"
Fisk is actually the weakest character in Better Days, in my opinion. He has no personality at all.
And the puppeteer simile made me think about Joaquin Phoenix's current "rap career"...
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 20, 2009, 03:41:03 AM
I think I preferred BDK's take on Fisk, actually...
This. BDK is
extremely funny. :3
I think they're redrawing some of the strips to exclude the incestuous elements. Which is to Mat Sherer's credit if he's planning on publishing BDK.
Zig Zag isn't in the remakes, either, which is a shame since Sherer's take on her was pretty damn funny.
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on January 21, 2009, 02:27:08 PM
Fisk is actually the weakest character in Better Days, in my opinion. He has no personality at all.
Have you ever noticed that? How often the main character in any piece of media just has no personality?
Quote from: Sofox on January 22, 2009, 07:20:37 PM
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on January 21, 2009, 02:27:08 PM
Fisk is actually the weakest character in Better Days, in my opinion. He has no personality at all.
Have you ever noticed that? How often the main character in any piece of media just has no personality?
Sounds like a dead-ringer for most of the the video games media where the idea is to start with a personality-less character thus allowing the player to fill in the massive gaps in thought.
Master Chief stands out as an example in my mind, not only because he's the embodiment of this, but because he's the best attention *grabber*. I have yet to ascertain the reasoning behind his popularity outside of the aforementioned "filling in" appeal and even then, he's managed to overshadow other characters/games that do this much better.
Edited by Valynth upon reflection of what section this was.
Quote from: Valynth on January 23, 2009, 03:09:13 AM
Quote from: Sofox on January 22, 2009, 07:20:37 PM
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on January 21, 2009, 02:27:08 PM
Fisk is actually the weakest character in Better Days, in my opinion. He has no personality at all.
Have you ever noticed that? How often the main character in any piece of media just has no personality?
Sounds like a dead-ringer for most of the the video games media where the idea is to start with a personality-less character thus allowing the player to fill in the massive gaps in thought.
Master Chief stands out as an example in my mind, not only because he's the embodiment of this, but because he's the best attention *grabber*. I have yet to ascertain the reasoning behind his popularity outside of the aforementioned "filling in" appeal and even then, he's managed to overshadow other characters/games that do this much better.
Edited by Valynth upon reflection of what section this was.
MC is also popular because of how well the game does the whole "kill all the aliens with all these shiny weapons that do all sorts of cool things" concept.
Quote from: Tyranastrasz on January 23, 2009, 07:45:19 AM
MC is also popular because of how well the game does the whole "kill all the aliens with all these shiny weapons that do all sorts of cool things" concept.
For a minute there, I read that as Mauritz Cornelius, and I was wondering what the heck Escher had to do with the current conversation... ;-]
What the heck doesn't he have to do with it. Now just a sec while I run upstairs to my basement to get something..
Quote from: Tyranastrasz on January 23, 2009, 07:45:19 AM
MC is also popular because of how well the game does the whole "kill all the aliens with all these shiny weapons that do all sorts of cool things" concept.
Yet again, other games have done this better with a better plot, yet only his games have gotten the massive following.
Heck, there are older games that still rank higher than his in my favorites.
Quote from: Valynth on January 23, 2009, 03:54:20 PM
Quote from: Tyranastrasz on January 23, 2009, 07:45:19 AM
MC is also popular because of how well the game does the whole "kill all the aliens with all these shiny weapons that do all sorts of cool things" concept.
Yet again, other games have done this better with a better plot, yet only his games have gotten the massive following.
Heck, there are older games that still rank higher than his in my favorites.
Here is your problem, though; other games don't have the giant shoulder-mounted lasers of doom that Halo 3 has :P
Of course, there's the Hammer in Gears which is a little pistol that calls down a freakin' satellite's laser, to name one of the more recent ones, but I believe the shoulder-mounted part is what people like about it. Oh, and the passable vehicles, such as the tanks and whatnot.
I wasn't thinking so much video games, where a blank protagonist is common and almost expected, I was thinking of books moreso.
I mean, I even felt this way about Harry Potter. He seems to go through the motions, make pretty bog standard reactions to any given situation, and rarely do anything that indicates a true sense of individuality rather then a walking hero-in-training stereotype.
Quote from: Tyranastrasz on January 23, 2009, 05:52:02 PM
Quote from: Valynth on January 23, 2009, 03:54:20 PM
Quote from: Tyranastrasz on January 23, 2009, 07:45:19 AM
MC is also popular because of how well the game does the whole "kill all the aliens with all these shiny weapons that do all sorts of cool things" concept.
Yet again, other games have done this better with a better plot, yet only his games have gotten the massive following.
Heck, there are older games that still rank higher than his in my favorites.
Here is your problem, though; other games don't have the giant shoulder-mounted lasers of doom that Halo 3 has :P
Of course, there's the Hammer in Gears which is a little pistol that calls down a freakin' satellite's laser, to name one of the more recent ones, but I believe the shoulder-mounted part is what people like about it. Oh, and the passable vehicles, such as the tanks and whatnot.
Doom's BFG did the "green laser of doom" looooooong ago. The thing even hit through walls, hence why it was the Big Freaking Gun.
The only "Shoulder mounted green thing" I remember playing from 1&2 was the alien's answer to the rocket launcher. Only it couldn't lock and hit near-instantly.
I don't know about you, but driving the warthog was as clunky as trying to do acrobatics with 100 pound cement blocks attached to you kidneys. Almost everytime you hit a tiny bump in the landscape, it would leap several feet in the air and bounce around like a rubber ball in M.I.B. labs, usually capsizing in the process and killing your troops and once out of troops, the warthog loses most of it's "no ammo wasted" appeal.
Quote from: Valynth on January 24, 2009, 01:09:33 AM
Quote from: Tyranastrasz on January 23, 2009, 05:52:02 PM
Quote from: Valynth on January 23, 2009, 03:54:20 PM
Quote from: Tyranastrasz on January 23, 2009, 07:45:19 AM
MC is also popular because of how well the game does the whole "kill all the aliens with all these shiny weapons that do all sorts of cool things" concept.
Yet again, other games have done this better with a better plot, yet only his games have gotten the massive following.
Heck, there are older games that still rank higher than his in my favorites.
Here is your problem, though; other games don't have the giant shoulder-mounted lasers of doom that Halo 3 has :P
Of course, there's the Hammer in Gears which is a little pistol that calls down a freakin' satellite's laser, to name one of the more recent ones, but I believe the shoulder-mounted part is what people like about it. Oh, and the passable vehicles, such as the tanks and whatnot.
The only "Shoulder mounted green thing" I remember playing from 1&2 was the alien's answer to the rocket launcher. Only it couldn't lock and hit near-instantly.
I never said green, did I? No, I was referring to the Spartan Laser. Oh, and the Fuel Rod Gun is in 3 as well. It doesn't suck quite as much as it used to, either... Anyway, perhaps when they make Halo 4 (and you know damn well that they will some day) they will have a plot as original (that is, not really but still kinda) as the first one with the shiny toys of the third.
How th4e frig did this turn into a Halo conversation. Honestly.
Have I mentioned I dislike the game on the grounds hat is highly overrated. :3
Yes, but nothing beats whacking down someone unexpectedly with a sword.
Actually, maybe blasting them 20 yards with a point blank missile launch, but I'm reaching there. I only managed that once in Quake 2. (I actually suck at FPS's.)
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 20, 2009, 03:41:03 AM
I think I preferred BDK's take on Fisk, actually...
I'm *still* waiting for Fisk to get his brains blown out in Better Days. :mowcookie
Are you saying that'll make it an even better day? :mowninja
My take on Aaryanna for Amber:(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/DinkyInky/Aaryanna--Thiswillonlyhurt.jpg)(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/DinkyInky/Alot.jpg)
Thanks for all the wonderful comic and artistic genius you share with us.
I say, nurse, is that uniform normal for members of your profession?
HellOOOOOO nurse! :kittylove :bunny
Narfit. Well I know what Aaryanna's next outfit will be next time she shows up. :U
Very nifty. :3
In other news, Jack can go suck on a thistle. I tried to read it, god help me, I did, but christ, it was such scrotal awful that I ended up drinking.
I am calling shenanigans on your statement. For you to end up drinking, that would imply that you ever stopped. :U
That's also a truefact. But my point stands. Suck a thistle, Jack, with your fetuses and whatnot.
@rabid_fox
When I can't discern a creature's actual body parts from some sort of gory ripping of said body parts off of a body...
When Amber draws violence ("when" being the huge qualifier), I can actually make sense of what's going on. Jack... notsomuch.
All I'd say is, you can't judge Jack by the first 100 pages or so. I at least hope you read as far as Arc III, "Trixi and Tet". Jack takes a while to introduce its universe.
Yes, Jack has all those adult content warnings, but it isn't some gratuitous gamer/action or sex comic. Jack has some fantastically well done characters in some very emotionally intense stories. Honestly, the only thing on the same level I've ever seen is "Abel's Story".
Not everyone who reads DMFA, would be into "Abel's Story", but if you can deal with that level of gut-wrenching emotion, you might like it. As different as they are, Jack and DMFA have a lot of the same fans. That's because Amber and David and Katie Hopkins have the amazing ability to come up with very human, very believeable characters, and put them in stories you can't stop reading.
I'm not saying everyone will like Jack, but give it a chance. Imagine if someone went into the DMFA archives and just read the early black and white gag-a-day part.
It was so BORING.
I don't get why people always defend Jack by saying the only reason someone might not like it is because it's too "EMOTIONALLY POWERFUL", when in reality people might not like it because they think it is a bad comic with terrible writing.
Quote from: Zina on February 10, 2009, 10:08:07 AM
I don't get why people always defend Jack by saying the only reason someone might not like it is because it's too "EMOTIONALLY POWERFUL", when in reality people might not like it because they think it is a bad comic with terrible writing.
I used to be a pretty big fan of Jack, and occasionally I still read some of the comics. The recent arc looks promising. But I feel as though there's been a huge decline in quality in some of the more recent arcs (Saving Arloest, Case of the Traveling Corpse, Those That Run). Not to mention, I feel that Crush! Yiff! Destroy! has a good point about its flat characterization.
I
do like the older arcs like Games We Play in Hell, Hell is that Noise, Suffer, and Dinner at Arloest's.
But I
hate how people keep comparing Abel's Story to Jack. Seriously. Jack is NOT the greatest thing since sliced bread and not every furry comic that incorporates violence or dark elements is a poor, shoddy rip-off of Jack.
Quote from: Sofox on January 22, 2009, 07:20:37 PM
Have you ever noticed that? How often the main character in any piece of media just has no personality?
YES D:
Where did anyone compare "Abel's Story" to Jack? Rafe was comparing "Abel's Story" to the rest of DMFA.
And as far as I can see, most of the people who accuse Jack of having "bad writing"
just say it, they never back it up with any kind of analysis. Speaking as someone who majored in Drama amd English, I might notice more easily how much effort and craftsmanship there is in Jack. Some people aren't used to reading stories that have plot elements that take place over more than a few dozen pages, or characters that reveal themselves slowly, not because "Oh wow, everyone likes X so let's give her a backstory", but because it was actually PLANNED that way.
Most people are used to comics with stories that are written a few days or weeks at a time. Jack is already written. Has been for a long time. It's being released in installments. Lots of classic writers (e.g. Charles Dickens) worked this way. And like Dickens, some people might like some of Jack but not all of it. Stories vary in tone because there's this thing called "pacing" that some people haven't heard of, apparently. They might sit still for "A Christmas Carol", but not "Nicholas Nickleby".
If it wasn't for Jack, I would have never found DMFA, but not because of the fact that Amber was doing fan-art of Jack, or that Mab became a character in Jack's heaven, but because Amber wrote comments on the Jack forum that showed how much more attention she was paying to the subtle details of the story. Where some people saw just outward stereotype characters, Amber, way ahead of the others, saw that something much deeper was happening. I knew I had to check out her comic, and sure enough, it was as thoughtful and well crafted as I thought it would be.
And I'm sorry if people like Zina can't stand that other people (apparently a lot of them) seem to enjoy Jack, to the point that every time it gets mentioned, she has to come out with unsupported, blanket epithets and assume that other people are shallow enough to believe her. You've said it before, we know how you feel, and we don't care. If nothing else, try to accept that not everyone here randomly insults what the rest of us find enjoyable.
Ok.
Thats enough.
If people want to discuss the pros and cons of Jack, they can now take it to PM. Or set up a thread in General just for the occasion. I have officially had it.
If I hear one more. one more. comment from either side that I consider baiting to the other (either someone out of the blue referencing Jack without there actually being a connection to the discussion at hand. Or someone out of the blue slamming Jack without there being a connection to the discussion at hand.) ...I will eat your face.
Seriously. I will eat it clear off.
I am tired of constantly getting dragged into this argument because it is a no-win for me. I have friends who like Jack, and I have friends who hate Jack. And I hate the fact I keep getting forced into a spot where I feel I need to side with one or the other. Both sides have their validity, and both sides seem to have a giant axe they want to swing around anytime the other rears up. And at this point, the fact that both sides cannot play nice means no one gets to play in the sandbox.
If you dont like Jack, that is fine. You are more than entitled to and I don't fault anyone for not liking something for whichever reason you choose. You do like Jack, that is also fine. You are also more than entitled to like something for whatever reason you choose. There is no right or wrong in liking something.
But from here on out, until I decide otherwise, no one is entitled to talk about their opinions on Jack one way or another on the DMFA section of the forum. Take it to PM, take it to General if you want to go full-blown internet sissy slap-fight mode, I dont care. But I don't want to see it here. And if I do, I will consider it as a disrespect to me.
And I will eat your face.
Right off.
Double-posting add note
Please keep in mind, that I am not angry at any particular individual. And I am not trying to stomp on the freedom of chatterings of peeps. Though in this particular thread, it was pretty much barrelling towards what would have been a full out argument.
Which if you guys really really really want to get going, it is your call. But it would be in General and would be up to Dmoon/Damaris to decide whether or not it was just a big slap-fight and how it should be handled. I personally would not be stepping into the thread whatsoever.
The reason for this is because this is a very uneasy spot for me. I do consider Dave a friend of sorts, and it is akward for me when people post on the forum negative things in regards to his comic. However, I also know that Dave's comic is in a particular hot zone that is bound to attract comments one way or another.
I consider Dave a friend, but I can also fully see the reasons behind some of the negative comments that his comic does get. And yes, in some cases, I do agree with some of the critiques that arent doused in "RAWR DAVE RAPES PUPPIES" gasoline.
On the flipside, I have people I consider a friend that really dislike Jack. And that is always a bit of an awkward place to be in because since they are my friends, I also respect their opinions and can understand the angle they are coming from.
At this exact moment in time, it feels like I am in a spot where I have to pick sides. And I don't want to. And so, like all great cowards, I shot this thread down because I want to avoid the subject for a period of time until I feel I am ready to handle this situation. And with immigration still on a focal point, I am not ready to handle this situation.
If people really want to throw down over Jack, that is their call. All I ask is to leave me out of this at the time because I dont feel comfortable with this situation.