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Title: Kittah art Third Pic Posted
Post by: kittyblackrabbit on July 10, 2006, 08:30:12 PM
I will start posting my art here soon :) just watch hahahah, once i'm up and running on my  comp.
Title: Re: Kittah art and stuff
Post by: Damaris on July 10, 2006, 08:31:40 PM
*admin note- moving this to the art forum*
Title: Re: Kittah art and stuff
Post by: ITOS on July 10, 2006, 08:44:47 PM
Kittah has arrived! :D


...

Should I get the red carpet or just run?
Title: Re: Kittah art and stuff
Post by: Paladin Sheppard on July 10, 2006, 11:55:02 PM
Carpet, She isn't evil ITOS..I hope  :3
Title: Re: Kittah art and stuff
Post by: ITOS on July 11, 2006, 06:04:50 AM
Quote from: Paladin Sheppard on July 10, 2006, 11:55:02 PM
Carpet, She isn't evil ITOS..I hope  :3

"Trust everyone but don't trust the cubi inside them."  :D
Title: Re: Kittah art and stuff
Post by: kittyblackrabbit on July 11, 2006, 12:16:27 PM
Quote from: Paladin Sheppard on July 10, 2006, 11:55:02 PM
Carpet, She isn't evil ITOS..I hope  :3

I'm a cubi.... of course i'm evil....


and to start this thread out right an image i started working on based on a pose i saw done on tv. It's a bit more extreme than the orignal pose but it's still nice. :)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v180/kittyblackrabbit/kimonogirlsmall.jpg)
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: Gareeku on July 11, 2006, 12:26:40 PM
Lovely work, Kittah. The pose is different, yet it has a feeling of beauty and elegance about it. Very nice :)
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: RJ on July 11, 2006, 12:32:32 PM
Ooh, kimono... it's very elegant and graceful, yes ^_^
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: Paladin Sheppard on July 11, 2006, 12:43:16 PM
*tilts head to the side and drools* WoW Kittah *agrees with the squirrel*
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: Tiger_T on July 11, 2006, 01:28:23 PM
Kimono-pictures always look so elegant. :) Very nice!

One question though, if I may.
Does she jump somehow or do we look at her laying there?
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: Malakin on July 11, 2006, 01:31:33 PM
Too many good artists around here, not good for ones ego :P

she is mid air as far as i can tell...
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: Jack McSlay on July 11, 2006, 01:34:23 PM
she seems very flexible  :mowwink

yay for kimono+boots
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: Zina on July 11, 2006, 01:59:19 PM
Mmm, lovely kimono. X3
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: Suwako on July 11, 2006, 02:02:20 PM
I like it, It looks very nice Kittah.
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: kittyblackrabbit on July 12, 2006, 12:29:12 PM
Thanks, no she's not floating in mid air or laying on her back, she's actually in a tank of water. Once i get the coloring done i hope i can do it so it shows that properly. as it is based on a pose that was done on the TV show America's Next Top Model. Where theyd did an underwater shoot. I added a bit more to the kimono as it wasnt that long. and i bent her up a bit more.
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: Damaris on July 12, 2006, 11:56:31 PM
Can you link to the reference pic?  Cause... I'm like "ow, my hip hurts just looking at this" (I'm sure it's just because there is no shading yet, and the way I'm seeing it isn't how it's meant to be.)
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: kittyblackrabbit on July 13, 2006, 12:01:48 PM
Quote from: Damaris on July 12, 2006, 11:56:31 PM
Can you link to the reference pic?  Cause... I'm like "ow, my hip hurts just looking at this" (I'm sure it's just because there is no shading yet, and the way I'm seeing it isn't how it's meant to be.)

http://wwwimage.upn.com/shows/top_model2/episode05/photos/05_apr.jpg

Theres the link for the orignal pic. The one i did is a bit more exagurated, as it had been some time since i saw that episode.
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: Damaris on July 13, 2006, 11:29:27 PM
Okay.  I was able to figure out what was bothering me.

The way you have the foot to me seems... well, physically impossible.  The way you have it, it looks like her leg is going straight back behind her, which isn't possible while keeping the leg AND the back that straight.

For example:
http://www.danceart.com/mediareview/images/StaceyArabesque2.jpg

It is possible to do it that straight to the side, but then the heel would be on outside, with the toe on the inside:

http://www.royal-ballet-school.org.uk/Home/homeImage.jpg

That URL has almost the same dementions, but the heel makes all the difference.

So yeah... the art itself is very good, and the detail on the kimono is superb, but that knee/heel is buggin the bejabbers outta me.
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: kittyblackrabbit on July 14, 2006, 10:21:51 AM
well like i said it had been a while since i last saw the actual pose. I didnt go online to snag it i drew it from what was in my memory. so it is just a tad bit off.  thats all :)
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: Damaris on July 14, 2006, 11:27:30 AM
I'm not commenting on the similarity to the picture (peh, who really cares about that- it just helped me pinpoint what was bothering me), I'm commenting on drawing itself, Kitty.
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: Tiger_T on July 14, 2006, 03:14:11 PM
It is possible IMO ;)

(http://www.contortion.ca/intropic3a.jpg)
link (http://www.contortion.ca/intropic3a.jpg)
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: xHaZxMaTx on July 14, 2006, 03:30:01 PM
Ouchies. :(
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on July 14, 2006, 04:08:21 PM
Yeah. Possible, not necessarily comfortable...

... but then, we do all sorts of strange things for art, don't we?
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: Damaris on July 14, 2006, 04:09:46 PM
But look at the knee and the back in your linked pic, Tiger.  The knee is bent, and the back is curved.  That would be my point.
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: Zina on July 14, 2006, 04:16:54 PM
I think the problem is how the foot is positioned. It either needs to be behind the back more and bent, or the foot should be faceing the other way.
Either way, I still think the kimono is lovely. :3
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: Tiger_T on July 14, 2006, 04:27:44 PM
Must be an unusual point of view, Damaris. ;) :mowtongue

*agrees with Zina*
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: Damaris on July 14, 2006, 04:33:05 PM
Not too unusual, since Zina just said the same thing

:mowtongue
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: Darkmoon on July 14, 2006, 07:46:53 PM
Seriously, that picture would never have made it out of a figure drawing class back at my college. The teacher woulda torn it apart and made you redraw the leg.
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: Netami on July 14, 2006, 07:59:03 PM
Too bad this isn't a college figure drawing class.
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: Darkmoon on July 14, 2006, 08:00:15 PM
Yeah, because now she has no need to improve her art. Pity.

*runs off to be naked elsewhere*

:mwaha
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: Netami on July 14, 2006, 08:21:46 PM
Art is relative. I cannot stress that enough. If some shmuck can draw abstract crap and get millions, I believe he was known as Picasso, then what someone does with figure drawing hardly matters. The point is, there will never be a point at which you can stop "improving" in art because there will always be things that you think you need to do better at. A class will only teach a specific type of technique, in this case figures, but come on... She's drawing this to show to her furry friends, not impress some sixty year old hippie college teacher.

I realize this is the art forum and art pieces are open to critique, but you're being a little harsh and I'm getting the impression that you're more focused on making the piece seem shoddy than wanting her to improve. If you ask me, the goal of the picture has been met; to make her friends appreciate even one part of it and contribute to her title as an artist.
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: Malakin on July 14, 2006, 08:26:14 PM
<EDIT: grrr i need to stop posting...
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: Fizzbit on July 14, 2006, 08:29:46 PM
Darkmoon's been chastised for his comment. There's no need to start a flame war, Netami.

And I'll have you know that Picasso didn't start off his career in Cubism. There were the Blue and Rose periods before the Cubism time. Also, Picasso did not make "millions" off of his work. He actually made very little money from his paintings. Fine artists rarely make money off of their work while they are alive. And the reason Cubism was so popular was because it was different, and it had a flare to it. Cubism is not abstract. Abstract art has no form at all but the artist has put some sense of order in it. Cubism shows one or more objects, each part in a different perspective. Get your facts straight about Art Theory and History before calling someone on them.

The issue can be one of two things: The leg or the curvature of the spine. I myself notice that there is actually no curvature of the spine at all. In order to look anatomically correct, the leg in the air must be turned, or the spine given a long, gradual curve.

The leg and spine are the only issues I personally have. Everything else seems to be alright. I do like the flowing of the kimono.
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: Amber Williams on July 14, 2006, 08:36:35 PM
I think you guys are all being poopie-heads and derailing this thread. XP

1)Damaris posted a valid critique...she felt something was off with the leg and I admit there is a bit of distortion(the length of the arm and the angle of the leg don't particular match in terms of proportion)  However it doesn't mean the picture sucks, and as most people have pointed out, the kimono is very well done. She was simply suggesting some areas in which Kittah might look towards future improvement.  Cause yes, while Kittah has grown in leaps in bounds in her art, there are some minor anatomy quirks.

2)Dmoons weakspot is the flashing red eye...er..wait...its when he feels people are teaming up on Damaris.  And it somewhat does feel like everyone was going "oh noes! You cannot make this critique because I personally feel everything is great!"  That's why critiques are held, because sometimes one person can catch something other people might overlook.

3) Its one thing to be happy with ones art, its another to be stagnant.  If you never have a reason to improve, then you are going to decline.  You can be happy with a picture yet still want to make improvements.

4) I want tacos...and I do think the kimono is nice. But not worth a page and a half of debate over.
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: Fizzbit on July 14, 2006, 08:40:20 PM
*sigh* as Art Forum Moderator, I think this is an appropriate time to have everyone read the Art Forum Rules (click)... (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=21.0)

Please pay attention to this rule in particular:

Quote6.   CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM AND POSITIVE COMMENTS ONLY. Negative comments WILL NOT be allowed. Negative comments include but are not limited to: bashing of technique and/or skill, harsh comments, direct insults. Constructive criticism is commentary that should aid the artist, not degrade them.

Carry on.
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: Netami on July 14, 2006, 08:42:01 PM
I used no inflammatory language in my above post, Clara. I did not and do not intend this to be a flame war. Furthermore, I think you're misunderstanding the reason I referenced picasso. I don't need to know his life story or "get my facts straight" about what part of art theory he belongs in, because he is just a name reference. The general populace will not look back on his work and remember him for his clean lines. That is as far as you need to look into that.

I am not saying that she should never seek to improve her work, I just think, for a critique, y'all could use some work on your bedside manners. The vibe and language used wasn't positive, namely the whole, "This would fail in a college class" thing.

I suppose in that sense, I felt as if the rules were being pressed, even if intentions were pure.
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: Fizzbit on July 14, 2006, 08:45:35 PM
For the record, Flames do not necessarily need to have curse words. They're merely posts that could anger someone and lead to a big forum battle.

And I called you on Picasso because your description was inaccurate.
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: kittyblackrabbit on July 14, 2006, 08:48:01 PM
Ok i appreciate all the comments and constructive critques. I posted my work not just to show people what i was doing but to get ideas on what i can improve on. Like i said i couldnt get the pose exact, it was a similar type of pose based on the picture that i posted, which i had seen months before drawing this picture.

Once again thank you all for the critique but i think thats enough on the bend of the leg or the curvature of the spine at the moment, since it seems to be developing into a wawr. So to derale that i will post something else.... have this...


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v180/kittyblackrabbit/zinacat.jpg)

Yes i know alot of you from the dmfa fourms have already seen this but i think the thread needs a new peice while i work on some other stuff.
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: Fizzbit on July 14, 2006, 08:50:29 PM
Kittah, this next one is a very nice piece. The legs are very well done, and I especially love the folds in the skirt. ^_^
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: Netami on July 14, 2006, 08:51:30 PM
Quote from: Clara E. Leet on July 14, 2006, 08:45:35 PM
For the record, Flames do not necessarily need to have curse words. They're merely posts that could anger someone and lead to a big forum battle.

And I called you on Picasso because your description was inaccurate.

I believe this needs to be better described then, since any comment could tick someone off... I mean, something really passive can be taken in the incorrect way and spark silly things.

As for the picasso thing, it's a widely held belief that any picasso painting that goes up on bidding these days will cost a crapload of money. Granted he isn't the one recieveing them, I should have just tweaked the words to get that point across better.

And I've never seen that picture before, cool. I'm surprised it fit so well with the background...
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: Darkmoon on July 14, 2006, 09:55:25 PM
Flames are what the admins say they are. Does that clear things up?

:mwaha
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: KarlOmega1 on July 14, 2006, 09:56:12 PM
oh great...now you have my perverted side thinking about Zina, because that pic is hot!
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: Zina on July 14, 2006, 09:59:51 PM
Quote from: KarlOmega1 on July 14, 2006, 09:56:12 PM
oh great...now you have my perverted side thinking about Zina, because that pic is hot!
....dude, ew. There are some things you can kindly keep to yourself. =/
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: Netami on July 14, 2006, 10:02:34 PM
ZINA YOU'RE HOT.  :3
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: Darkmoon on July 14, 2006, 10:12:12 PM
Quote from: Zina on July 14, 2006, 09:59:51 PM
Quote from: KarlOmega1 on July 14, 2006, 09:56:12 PM
oh great...now you have my perverted side thinking about Zina, because that pic is hot!
....dude, ew. There are some things you can kindly keep to yourself. =/

Damn, rebuffed. That's cold.
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: Zina on July 14, 2006, 11:12:22 PM
Quote from: Netami on July 14, 2006, 10:02:34 PM
ZINA YOU'RE HOT.  :3

LIES HORRIBLE LIES. D: I'm as attractive as the noble horseshoe crab.

All joking aside,  maybe it's just me, but I'm not too keen on people telling me they're thinking 'preverted thoughts' about my character. There's just...some things you can keep to yourself.
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: Netami on July 14, 2006, 11:16:01 PM
Well, I'm the guy that thought it was weird that Wildy didn't appreciate someone trying to be her character from the comic on the old forum. Affection isn't easily gained, after all.

That being said, I think it's a little rude to present your thoughts about someone in such a way when you know that person is real and like, RIGHT THERE MAN. We don't especially need to know about this inner struggle you're having over a hot Zina.
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: Darkmoon on July 14, 2006, 11:47:05 PM
I didn't have any issue with it, since she shot him down quite neatly afterwards.
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: Paladin Sheppard on July 14, 2006, 11:55:06 PM
 :yeahthat <--- Most uselfull smilely ever
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: Darkmoon on July 14, 2006, 11:59:23 PM
Hell yeah it is.

Although the :evar emote is a close second.
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: KarlOmega1 on July 15, 2006, 12:54:12 PM
Quote from: Darkmoon on July 14, 2006, 11:47:05 PM
I didn't have any issue with it, since she shot him down quite neatly afterwards.

Although I hate to agree with you, she did tell me properly to not do that again...
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: Wildy on July 15, 2006, 03:28:21 PM
Zina is Teh love!

I love the colors and the background of this one! Yeeee! I'll nevah get tired of it. Good work Kitty. And I hope things in life are starting to look up for you.
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: Damaris on July 15, 2006, 05:37:28 PM
Personally, I love this one.  :) 
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: Nikki on July 16, 2006, 05:18:03 PM
yer getting MUCH better, Kittah!
Title: Re: Kittah art First Picture posted!
Post by: kittyblackrabbit on July 19, 2006, 04:19:24 PM
Beauty, grace, shyness, innocences all those qualities come befiting a lady of proper class if i'm not mistaken, but who could this young lass be? You give it a try and see if you get it right. :)

Special Request pic

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v180/kittyblackrabbit/Janicefull.jpg)
Title: Re: Kittah art Third Pic Posted
Post by: Nikki on July 19, 2006, 05:05:35 PM
 ;) keep up teh awesome work, hun!
And i'll take a Stab at...Either Wildy or Sienna
Title: Re: Kittah art Third Pic Posted
Post by: Tiger_T on July 19, 2006, 05:40:55 PM
Sienna Maiu? (sp?)

Nice one. :mowsmile
Title: Re: Kittah art Third Pic Posted
Post by: roninfoxtail on July 19, 2006, 05:44:24 PM
Great art you have here.
I'm gonna guess... Janus?

(What? Someone's gonna say it sooner or later.)
Title: Re: Kittah art Third Pic Posted
Post by: Manawolf on July 19, 2006, 08:15:51 PM
I like the sleeves.
Title: Re: Kittah art Third Pic Posted
Post by: Paladin Sheppard on July 19, 2006, 09:45:46 PM
Wow Kittah that looks gorgeous!
Title: Re: Kittah art Third Pic Posted
Post by: Kenji on July 19, 2006, 09:49:44 PM
Quote from: Ronin Foxtail on July 19, 2006, 05:44:24 PM
Great art you have here.
I'm gonna guess... Janus?

(What? Someone's gonna say it sooner or later.)

Now, now... Janus doesn't have boobs. Janice, on the other hand...
Title: Re: Kittah art Third Pic Posted
Post by: Bunnaroo on July 20, 2006, 09:27:27 AM
I'm right now racking my brain to remember who has round ears. (Feline ears are typicly pointed.) The ears are also short, which knocks TGH and myself out of the running. (whew!) No glasses, so it's not Prof Hunneydew. I need to get back to work... :help


UPDATE: It occurred to me last night that NIRFY has round ears and looks cute in long flowing dresses!!   :bunny
Title: Re: Kittah art Third Pic Posted
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on July 20, 2006, 10:13:33 AM
contact lenses?