http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_479.php (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_479.php) Is this another case of someone having the same name? Or is Biggs (ferret)... for some unknown reason, on the Council? If not, how does Kria know Biggs? Are Twinks considered Creatures? Is he really not a Being after all?
If it's not Twink King Biggs, then what Biggs is this referring to?
[Also, woo, 100th post!]
Quote from: Kayriel on February 06, 2008, 09:39:25 PM
http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_479.php (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_479.php) Is this another case of someone having the same name? Or is Biggs (ferret)... for some unknown reason, on the Council? If not, how does Kria know Biggs? Are Twinks considered Creatures? Is he really not a Being after all?
If it's not Twink King Biggs, then what Biggs is this referring to?
[Also, woo, 100th post!]
Apparently, the Twinks are powerfull enough for the Creatures to consider them their equals. Therefore, they get their own seat in the Council. It is only a theory, but I like how it sounds.
I think it's the same Biggs as the leader of the twinks and brother of Wildy Biggs that we know.
I also highly doubt that proud creatures would let a being on their council.
But... Biggs certainly could qualify for evil, and so Kria might know him from the evil beach parties and BBQs
Remember that Lorenda used to work in the Twinks territory. Therefore, if Kria was looking for Lorenda, Biggs would be a logical person to contact for information. It also could have been that Kria had worked previously for Biggs in the same capacity as Destania. Because of their inclinations, there are a number of reasons that they could have had dealings with each other.
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Just another thought. Perhaps Wildy and Biggs aren't really beings, but are weres.
Quote from: Naldru on February 06, 2008, 10:07:28 PM
Just another thought. Perhaps Wildy and Biggs aren't really beings, but are weres.
... That's a REALLY good thought, I hadn't pictured that. Like Amber said, weres are easily overlooked, I completely forgot they existed. Might be a reason why Wildy is so defensive of hyoomans. Still... Wildy in feral form. XD "Dook?"
Quote from: Naldru on February 06, 2008, 10:07:28 PM
Just another thought. Perhaps Wildy and Biggs aren't really beings, but are weres.
That would never buy Biggs a place in the Council. The Demonology 101 clearly states that most Creature races despise the Weres. But Biggs and Wildy still can be Weres...
Hehehehe. Dook? Omg its sticky and it can bite back!
Quote from: pyrohamster on February 06, 2008, 10:24:12 PM
Hehehehe. Dook? Omg its sticky and it can bite back!
Oh, gods!!!... :U I am so rolling on the floor while laughing right now!!! :mwaha
My reaction to your words was similar to what was happening to Abel in that strip (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_660.php).
Ya know, it took me about five reads until I noticed that Abel was laughing in the third panel of that comic.
That made Dan's dialogue make sense for me finally.
8) Maybe Biggs could send Destina in as a Proxy. Just an idea ...
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w68/kaskar_photos/biggs2d.png)
8) ( Going in " God Mode " )
Quote from: Pagan on February 06, 2008, 11:15:36 PM
Ya know, it took me about five reads until I noticed that Abel was laughing in the third panel of that comic.
That made Dan's dialogue make sense for me finally.
And Daniel's expression is just priceless there. However, hen Abel imagined Dr. Ink as a ferret, his expression was even better. And as for Daniel's dialogue in the last panel, he might as well be the sanest of the three there. Simply not the most intelligent. Then again, the concept of sanity depends on the point of view, and what's weird for a being can be perfectly normal for a creature... But let's leave that to Sigmund and just say:
SANITY IS FOR THE WEAK!!! >:O
No, Sanity is for next week. This week is green salad.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on February 07, 2008, 09:07:06 AM
No, Sanity is for next week. This week is green salad.
Mmmm, green salad... And as for the sanity - to Chaos with it!! >:D
Salad is scary.
Sometimes the lettuce has fungal spores from the ground in it and they have already grown some hyphal threads into the leaf so washing it doesn't get them off, then after 5 hours from the time I eat it, I start breaking out in hives from an intestinal anaphylactic reaction, which will go into full anaphylactic shock in about an hour after that unless I take two Benadryl in time.
Then the whole next day my body is all sore from an autoimmune side-reaction that attacks my muscles and I'm barely conscious from the Benadryl.
Oh, and onions tend to have the fungi as well. And sometimes pretty much anything can have some hidden on or in it. I fear every time I eat, unless it's highly processed snack foods with so little nutritional value and such a high level of salt and preservatives that NOTHING can survive on it. :<
Quote from: Alondro on February 07, 2008, 10:13:04 AM
Salad is scary.
Sometimes the lettuce has fungal spores from the ground in it and they have already grown some hyphal threads into the leaf so washing it doesn't get them off, then after 5 hours from the time I eat it, I start breaking out in hives from an intestinal anaphylactic reaction, which will go into full anaphylactic shock in about an hour after that unless I take two Benadryl in time.
Then the whole next day my body is all sore from an autoimmune side-reaction that attacks my muscles and I'm barely conscious from the Benadryl.
Oh, and onions tend to have the fungi as well. And sometimes pretty much anything can have some hidden on or in it. I fear every time I eat, unless it's highly processed snack foods with so little nutritional value and such a high level of salt and preservatives that NOTHING can survive on it. :<
Apparently, food is Evil and, therefore, must be cleaved and smitten.
CLEAVE AND SMITE EVIL!!!But I rarely had problems with food like those you described. Then again, I feed mostly on those snack foods you were talking about anyway...
I remember quite a bit of hullabaloo at least once, maybe twice, about one of the Creature Council members being Biggs being the one with the red background (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_366.php).
(Is it me, or have those pictures gotten clearer? I swear I see more lines and stuff.)
Quote from: Caswin on February 07, 2008, 11:06:59 AM
I remember quite a bit of hullabaloo at least once, maybe twice, about one of the Creature Council members being Biggs being the one with the red background (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_366.php).
(Is it me, or have those pictures gotten clearer? I swear I see more lines and stuff.)
... That is Biggs. Same hair, same headband, AND I SEE THE "B" MEDALLION.
Wtf is Biggs doing on the Creature Council?
EDIT: On second thought, going back through this thread, and the archives... the only silhouette not represented properly amongst the presented creatures would be Weres, all others are accounted for. Now the alleged (and at this point, pretty much confirmed) Biggs, also sits on the Council, without any clear definition to his race of Creature. Therefore, he MUST be a Were, and I don't see why they wouldn't have Weres on the Council, they make perfect spies and assassins. They're practically impossible to discern from Beings, and have the strengths of Creatures. Even a Cubi can be detected by an adventurer easily enough.
Note that the Demonology only says there is no Were on the Being-Creature Council, not the Creature Council.
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 07, 2008, 12:34:56 PM
Note that the Demonology only says there is no Were on the Being-Creature Council, not the Creature Council.
Hey, that's true. So, Biggs might be a Were, after all. And on the side note, the silhouette on the red background dos have Biggs hairstile and that "B" medallion, but it looks more like a silhouette of a human than of a being.
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 07, 2008, 12:34:56 PM
Note that the Demonology only says there is no Were on the Being-Creature Council, not the Creature Council.
I never really differentiated the Being-Creature Council from the Creature Council - in fact, I was uncertain there was actually a difference.
Anyway, people have speculated about Biggs being that mysterious shadow before. I wouldn't be surprised if he is seeing how everybody's raped this theory to death, and there have been subtle hints, such as Kria's connection to Biggs (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_479.php). But Biggs and Wildy being Weres... that's a possibility I'm interested in. Weres are underrated.
Now me, I'm more curious about that Succubus on the Creature Council... ;) I think it might be Cyra.
~Keaton the Black Jackal
did anyone spot the mythos there?
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on February 07, 2008, 01:47:19 PM
I never really differentiated the Being-Creature Council from the Creature Council - in fact, I was uncertain there was actually a difference.
I think there is. It's a confusing topic, but I'm fairly certain they are two, separate organisations. They may have common members within it, but I think the two organisations have a radically different agenda.
Is the Being-Creature council the one this one?
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_287.php
Quote from: Pagan on February 07, 2008, 02:15:09 PM
Is the Being-Creature council the one this one?
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_287.php
Yes, I believe it is.
That seems more like a legal council than a "Being-Creature" council. I mean to say, I think it's more geared as a department of law and order than for promoting interracial well-being or alliances.
though Wildy being a were might explain how she was able to get a Shaman's license when Beings have little to no magic... :shifty
(and I think that Fae there is definitely Albanion.. though i'm sure that's been mentioned before....)
Quote from: celelorien on February 07, 2008, 03:57:34 PM
though Wildy being a were might explain how she was able to get a Shaman's license when Beings have little to no magic... :shifty
(and I think that Fae there is definitely Albanion.. though i'm sure that's been mentioned before....)
It is Albanion, that's been confirmed.
And yes, I'd say Biggs looks like a human because of being a Were, and having a human, anthro, and feral form. The Council might even have the Weres spying on the humans, to make sure they won't rise up and be a threat somehow.
As far as I'm aware there are no longer any humans on furrae.
Any human sightings in recent times have supposed to been weres, though unconfirmed to my knowledge.
Quote from: Gamma on February 08, 2008, 01:12:07 AM
As far as I'm aware there are no longer any humans on furrae.
Any human sightings in recent times have supposed to been weres, though unconfirmed to my knowledge.
Except the one Merlitz saw, who came from another dimension!
Quote from: Alondro on February 08, 2008, 01:41:09 AM
Quote from: Gamma on February 08, 2008, 01:12:07 AM
As far as I'm aware there are no longer any humans on furrae.
Any human sightings in recent times have supposed to been weres, though unconfirmed to my knowledge.
Except the one Merlitz saw, who came from another dimension!
8) Then, how did the human patches come into existance ?
(http://i173.photobucket.com/albums/w68/kaskar_photos/249c.jpg)
8) ( Gotta love the Merlitz face ... )
I imagine there's at least a few left somewhere. Otherwise I don't see the point of Weres having a human form, they wouldn't have come to HAVE a human form unless it was necessary somehow, right? Even if not, I want to see more into this Biggs on the Creature Council sometime.
From what I can tell, Wildy seems to react to Humans the way we regard furries. At least, that's what I surmise from her and dan's conversation.
Besides, there may be fictional humans Jyrras based the patch off of.
Quote from: WhiteFox on February 08, 2008, 05:09:33 AM
Besides, there may be fictional humans Jyrras based the patch off of.
IIRC, Amber once said that you need the DNA of the target race to make it work. Of course, it's likely Mab procured it for him somehow.
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 08, 2008, 05:24:11 AM
Quote from: WhiteFox on February 08, 2008, 05:09:33 AM
Besides, there may be fictional humans Jyrras based the patch off of.
IIRC, Amber once said that you need the DNA of the target race to make it work. Of course, it's likely Mab procured it for him somehow.
8) Of course, there is also the slight fact that human is listed in Demo.101 Has to be a few out there ...
I believe they are thoughtt extinct due to some kind of illness.But it could be that stupidly ran ramped among them and they did things country to long living. like taking flash photography of drakes and annoying cubi.
Quote from: kaskar on February 08, 2008, 06:11:54 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 08, 2008, 05:24:11 AM
Quote from: WhiteFox on February 08, 2008, 05:09:33 AM
Besides, there may be fictional humans Jyrras based the patch off of.
IIRC, Amber once said that you need the DNA of the target race to make it work. Of course, it's likely Mab procured it for him somehow.
8) Of course, there is also the slight fact that human is listed in Demo.101 Has to be a few out there ...
Merlitz met a human once, but that human turned out to be a traveller from another world. I guess there are no native humans on Furrae, but some of those travellers may stay on the planet (plane, world, whatever) for a while or even create some sort of a settlement there.
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 08, 2008, 05:24:11 AM
IIRC, Amber once said that you need the DNA of the target race to make it work. Of course, it's likely Mab procured it for him somehow.
Rose?
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on February 08, 2008, 07:46:26 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 08, 2008, 05:24:11 AM
IIRC, Amber once said that you need the DNA of the target race to make it work. Of course, it's likely Mab procured it for him somehow.
Rose?
That's what I don't get. She's a Fae, but is she also actually a human? Does being a Fae override all other racial aspects? Is it a Template, as we might see in D&D?
For that matter, we'll notice a number of Cubi Mythos, I think I saw a Cubi dragon, we've seen Cubi felines/canines, etc. Are they all still their base race, or are they Cubi, and just choose to keep their original form? How deep does the transformation go?
There have been no Cubi dragons.
There was a big, water-based Mythos in SAIA, if that's the one you're thinking of, though.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on February 08, 2008, 09:28:40 AM
There have been no Cubi dragons.
There was a big, water-based Mythos in SAIA, if that's the one you're thinking of, though.
That'd be the one. Though, if other Creatures can become Cubi, why not Dragons? Do Dragons and Cubi have a natural rivalry, or is it just the Cyra clan?
Quote from: Kayriel on February 08, 2008, 09:37:48 AM
Though, if other Creatures can become Cubi, why not Dragons?
Huh? What are you talking about?
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on February 08, 2008, 09:39:06 AM
Quote from: Kayriel on February 08, 2008, 09:37:48 AM
Though, if other Creatures can become Cubi, why not Dragons?
Huh? What are you talking about?
Well, look at the variety of races of Cubi that are at SAIA, of course there's the basic furres, then there's mythos, etc. If Mythos can be Cubi, why not Dragons?
If we're talking half breeds but i get the feeling that being a cubi is more then just dominant recessive genes its not quite a culture thing either. it's family. you are or you aren't. you. cubi is as much if not more magical heritages it is physical heritage but entities like fae and dragons would over power the cubi magical heritage and push it into the background if not destroy it entirely.
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on February 08, 2008, 09:39:06 AM
Quote from: Kayriel on February 08, 2008, 09:37:48 AM
Though, if other Creatures can become Cubi, why not Dragons?
Huh? What are you talking about?
'Cubification, I believe.
Though my understanding is that Dragons are colossally powerful. So 'Cubification would be a big step backwards, like turning from an incubus into a pet dog.
**EDIT**
Oh, he meant a Dragon-'Cubi hybrid? Pass.
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 08, 2008, 09:46:29 AM
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on February 08, 2008, 09:39:06 AM
Quote from: Kayriel on February 08, 2008, 09:37:48 AM
Though, if other Creatures can become Cubi, why not Dragons?
Huh? What are you talking about?
'Cubification, I believe.
Though my understanding is that Dragons are colossally powerful. So 'Cubification would be a big step backwards, like turning from an incubus into a pet dog.
**EDIT**
Oh, he meant a Dragon-'Cubi hybrid? Pass.
Either or, really.
Either way, Amber has stated (forcefully, at times, when it seems like nothing else will get through) that there is no such thing as a half-breed 'Cubi - either they are, or they aren't.
As for the variety - partly that's just standard "anything animal can be anthropomorphised", and partly that's that the 'Cubi we've seen have been largely cameos, and hence don't necessarily fit the "standard" plan.
For my take on it, I don't think there are Mythos 'Cubi. I think there are many 'Cubi based on lizards and the like, and that, since Amber doesn't draw individual scales in every frame (due partly to it'd drive her insane, I think, and partly because the scale doesn't let them fit - ie, they'd look rubbish) the difference between Mythos and saurian 'Cubi is slim. Or piscine-based forms, as well - all three look more or less the same, at the scale we have. Also, we've seen a lot of random bypassers at SAIA - and we know that there's a large Mythos there. Nothing says everyone you've seen that you think is 'Cubi actually is. For all we know, half of them are Mythos staff, and are wearing 'Cubi-seeming disguises for a fad or a dress-up party...
More things in Heaven and Earth, Horatio.
well said but somehow familiar sir box.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on February 08, 2008, 10:24:36 AM
For my take on it, I don't think there are Mythos 'Cubi. I think there are many 'Cubi based on lizards and the like, and that, since Amber doesn't draw individual scales in every frame (due partly to it'd drive her insane, I think, and partly because the scale doesn't let them fit - ie, they'd look rubbish) the difference between Mythos and saurian 'Cubi is slim.
Okay, here's a counterexample which I don't believe you covered. The stereotype Mythos form seems to be a 'taur, e.g. Matilda, and even the example Mythos in Demonology. If it's impossible to have a Mythos 'Cubi, what about the 'taur in 565?
It seems a bit extreme for a shapeshifting job - how many years would it take to learn to walk as a quadruped? Arguably more than a 'Cubi attention-span would want to spend for the sake of fashion. The disguised-as-a-'Cubi argument is a little unlikely in this case because they're depicted as recoiling from Merl's NASCAR mind.
odd i must have misread his post then. i thought that he was saying that being cubi over rode there genetic heritage to a certain extend. like if you are a vampire you are a vampire with all the strengths and weaknesses of a vampire regardless of race.
Taurs fit under the "we don't have enough information yet" area, sadly. :-/
The only taur in standard play, as it were, is Matilda - and we've seen little enough of her to know anything, really, other than that she lives a long time and is a Mythos. Oh, and breathes fire.
We've seen no information about taur 'Cubi, either for or against, that I can recall, other than the odd background image in the strip itself - like the one you mention. I don't see anything in Demo 101 to actually enlighten us as to the situation, which means either Amber hasn't thought about it yet, or she has, and is deliberately hiding the info. Either way, we don't have enough information to definitively state either way.
Having said that, I think that yes, there probably -are- taur 'Cubi. I just have no guesses as to how, or what history they have.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on February 08, 2008, 03:25:40 PM
We've seen no information about taur 'Cubi, either for or against, that I can recall, other than the odd background image in the strip itself - like the one you mention. I don't see anything in Demo 101 to actually enlighten us as to the situation, which means either Amber hasn't thought about it yet, or she has, and is deliberately hiding the info. Either way, we don't have enough information to definitively state either way.
Indeed. The closest we have is that 'multiple limbs' is a Mythos trait, as per demonology. It's not necessarily the only way to get a 'taur, but a Mythos-Cubi pairing seems to me the most likely way to get a 'taur 'cubi from what info we do have.
Matilda is referred to as a mythos she even says so herself (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_640.php) and Dan called her a blue volcano mythos (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_641.php)
Quote from: Tapewolf on February 08, 2008, 03:34:31 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on February 08, 2008, 03:25:40 PM
We've seen no information about taur 'Cubi, either for or against, that I can recall, other than the odd background image in the strip itself - like the one you mention. I don't see anything in Demo 101 to actually enlighten us as to the situation, which means either Amber hasn't thought about it yet, or she has, and is deliberately hiding the info. Either way, we don't have enough information to definitively state either way.
Indeed. The closest we have is that 'multiple limbs' is a Mythos trait, as per demonology. It's not necessarily the only way to get a 'taur, but a Mythos-Cubi pairing seems to me the most likely way to get a 'taur 'cubi from what info we do have.
I would say "seems to be" rather than "is", but yes.
And yes, a Mythos-'Cubi pairing would seem then to be the way to get a taur 'Cubi. However, that's assuming that Mythos are indeed the only taurs around, and that Mythos-'Cubi works out like that. Either of which is a crap shoot...
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on February 08, 2008, 04:03:51 PM
And yes, a Mythos-'Cubi pairing would seem then to be the way to get a taur 'Cubi. However, that's assuming that Mythos are indeed the only taurs around, and that Mythos-'Cubi works out like that. Either of which is a crap shoot...
Amber suggested that that is indeed where they come from...
Quote from: Amber Panyko
Certain creature races are more compatable with other creature races.
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Mythos vary from species to species. I will say there are a few taur-cubi.