Call me conservative in my ratings, but I wouldn't call that 14.. I've seen R that was softer than that.
Pretty dark stuff there, Amber...
Amber's currently in Canada. Movies that are rated R in the US are often rated 14+ here.
NC-14 is the R rating used outside of Hollywood.
Except if you're reading manga or playing video games, where it's "16Up" and "M" respectively.
Manga also has the additional "OT 18+" rating for the stuff with really blatant nudity.
Ratings are one of those things that tends to vary based on personal opinion...which is usually why a board of multiple people will decide a rating. However, as the creator, its up to me alone to decide what I feel is the best suited rating.
I opted for 14 because
A: A definite increase in swearing.
B: Slightly more innuendo.
C: An increase in violence.
I deliberately left out showing anything overly graphic in the violence...which is what I feel would have warrented a M rating. Devin's death, Xander's Death, even Hennya's death were all toned down and I never really went in for in-depth view of the gory details.
I'd also be curious to ask what R rated movies you've seen that were worse then Abel's Story. My film history teacher made a point of showing us how ratings have changed over the years. Some films from the 60s and 70s that were rated R in their time, nowadays are the equivalent of pg-13 films.
Quote from: Netrogo on December 12, 2007, 05:18:57 PM
I'd also be curious to ask what R rated movies you've seen that were worse then Abel's Story. My film history teacher made a point of showing us how ratings have changed over the years. Some films from the 60s and 70s that were rated R in their time, nowadays are the equivalent of pg-13 films.
I've noticed that with "The Shining", its kinda tame in the gore department, but we still got Halloween at 18.
Quote from: Amber Williams on December 12, 2007, 05:14:05 PM
Devin's death, Xander's Death, even Hennya's death were all toned down and I never really went in for in-depth view of the gory details.
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j5/Cogidubnus/sheisdead.jpg)
Oh? >:3
Really, I jest.:3 I hardly think Abel's Story is too violent for its rating, or corrupting today's youth or somesuch. I could be incorrect, but I think I recall SAW being rated R (A fairly equivalent rating, from what I understand), and I'd imagine that's a lot gorier and more disturbing than this.
Ah, see, but that's why it's a silhouette.
Agreed. No flying entrails, then it can safely be NC-14.
Ah, Canada. That would explain it.
You guys are a lot more lax than us uptight paranoid Americans. I remember seeinga movie once (can't remember which, though, because I was a kid) that was rated R because of one f-bomb.
Either way, it's good stuff. I just didn't expect that much dark stuff with that rating...
Yeah, mentioning farflenapple in anything is grounds for an R rating, damn review boards.
Quote from: Hermie on December 12, 2007, 06:46:30 PMYou guys are a lot more lax than us uptight paranoid Americans. I remember seeinga movie once (can't remember which, though, because I was a kid) that was rated R because of one f-bomb.
You're sure? I was of the understanding that one f-word was PG-13 material; you either needed a stronger dosage of profanity or otherwise more offensive material to hit 'R.'
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on December 12, 2007, 07:41:11 PM
Quote from: Hermie on December 12, 2007, 06:46:30 PM
uptight paranoid Americans.
Quoted for truth.
Not all of us are. Just the r-tards who whine and complain about censorship. Oh, and the other r-tards who give in to it.
Quote from: Kenji on December 12, 2007, 07:42:05 PM
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on December 12, 2007, 07:41:11 PM
Quote from: Hermie on December 12, 2007, 06:46:30 PM
uptight paranoid Americans.
Quoted for truth.
Not all of us are. Just the r-tards who whine and complain about censorship. Oh, and the other r-tards who give in to it.
I'm american too, if you didn't know :B I see it all the time, and it really bugs me.
That's why I quoted for truth.
americans are dumb lol
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on December 12, 2007, 07:45:47 PM
Quote from: Kenji on December 12, 2007, 07:42:05 PM
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on December 12, 2007, 07:41:11 PM
Quote from: Hermie on December 12, 2007, 06:46:30 PM
uptight paranoid Americans.
Quoted for truth.
Not all of us are. Just the r-tards who whine and complain about censorship. Oh, and the other r-tards who give in to it.
I'm american too, if you didn't know :B I see it all the time, and it really bugs me.
That's why I quoted for truth.
Who said I was speaking for anyone else, anyways? Heck, half the people who are "against censorship" are just as guilty, wanting to censor a few things they don't like. :B
In Japan, this would be about rated G. ;)
Quote from: Alondro on December 12, 2007, 07:58:01 PM
In Japan, this would be about rated G. ;)
that is because japan is the best and nothing they do is ever wrong ever
Quote from: Alondro on December 12, 2007, 07:58:01 PM
In Japan, this would be about rated G. ;)
Actually it would be rated PG, or in their terms, PG-12
Heh, oddly enough, two of the Pokemon movies had that rating over there, despite being G in the US :p
Quote from: Kuari on December 12, 2007, 08:06:36 PM
Quote from: Alondro on December 12, 2007, 07:58:01 PM
In Japan, this would be about rated G. ;)
Actually it would be rated PG, or in their terms, PG-12
Heh, oddly enough, two of the Pokemon movies had that rating over there, despite being G in the US :p
But is that because, as in the case with the first movie, they cut out 30 minutes worth of animation because it contained a death? 30 minutes which, I might add, brought the entire story together and showed why everything happened.... ¬_¬;
Quote from: Kenji on December 12, 2007, 08:16:44 PM
Quote from: Kuari on December 12, 2007, 08:06:36 PM
Quote from: Alondro on December 12, 2007, 07:58:01 PM
In Japan, this would be about rated G. ;)
Actually it would be rated PG, or in their terms, PG-12
Heh, oddly enough, two of the Pokemon movies had that rating over there, despite being G in the US :p
But is that because, as in the case with the first movie, they cut out 30 minutes worth of animation because it contained a death? 30 minutes which, I might add, brought the entire story together and showed why everything happened.... ¬_¬;
Dang, that reeks of Never Say Die (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NeverSayDie)...
Quote from: Kenji on December 12, 2007, 08:16:44 PM
Quote from: Kuari on December 12, 2007, 08:06:36 PM
Quote from: Alondro on December 12, 2007, 07:58:01 PM
In Japan, this would be about rated G. ;)
Actually it would be rated PG, or in their terms, PG-12
Heh, oddly enough, two of the Pokemon movies had that rating over there, despite being G in the US :p
But is that because, as in the case with the first movie, they cut out 30 minutes worth of animation because it contained a death? 30 minutes which, I might add, brought the entire story together and showed why everything happened.... ¬_¬;
Actually no, that movie isn't one of the ones that got the PG rating..
They were Pokémon: Lucario and the Mystery of Mew
and
Pokémon Ranger and the Temple of the Sea
Quote from: Kenji on December 12, 2007, 08:16:44 PM
Quote from: Kuari on December 12, 2007, 08:06:36 PM
Actually it would be rated PG, or in their terms, PG-12
Heh, oddly enough, two of the Pokemon movies had that rating over there, despite being G in the US :p
But is that because, as in the case with the first movie, they cut out 30 minutes worth of animation because it contained a death? 30 minutes which, I might add, brought the entire story together and showed why everything happened.... ¬_¬;
You can thank 4Kids productions for that. You know, those people responsible for the English version of One Piece?
Quote from: Goatmon on December 12, 2007, 09:05:56 PM
Quote from: Kenji on December 12, 2007, 08:16:44 PM
But is that because, as in the case with the first movie, they cut out 30 minutes worth of animation because it contained a death? 30 minutes which, I might add, brought the entire story together and showed why everything happened.... ¬_¬;
You can thank 4Kids productions for that. You know, those people responsible for the English version of One Piece?
Oh yeah, we ALL remember them.... and how even with a new company taking up One Piece, they won't fix anything for one reason or another... they'll just continue where 4Kids left off..
I was at Otakon for the One Piece panel with the new creative team. It was pretty cool, the director, a writer, and a couple of the actors. They were talking about what would and wouldn't be fixed, and going on about how big fans of One Piece they were. They had the whole audience sold, even responded to every question perfectly... Until one fan asked them what they would be doing in regards to the word Nakama. They looked at each other for a moment then in the same confident voice asked 'What is that?' The looks on their faces when their entire audience just suddenly went 'Ooooooo' was priceless. In one single answer they killed the entire mood in the room.
The reason for this as the question asker explained was because Nakama is pretty much THE most important word in the series. Luffy says it atleast eight times a freaking episode. I don't remember how they responded to that. Everything after that point was lost in a sort of haze of disappointment. Personally I felt lied to. The fact that someone would go on about how great a fan they were yet not know the single most important thing about it. That'd be like saying you're a huge fan of Batman and not knowing who Bruce Wayne is.
Quote from: Kenji on December 12, 2007, 08:16:44 PM
Quote from: Kuari on December 12, 2007, 08:06:36 PM
Quote from: Alondro on December 12, 2007, 07:58:01 PM
In Japan, this would be about rated G. ;)
Actually it would be rated PG, or in their terms, PG-12
Heh, oddly enough, two of the Pokemon movies had that rating over there, despite being G in the US :p
But is that because, as in the case with the first movie, they cut out 30 minutes worth of animation because it contained a death? 30 minutes which, I might add, brought the entire story together and showed why everything happened.... ¬_¬;
Details! I desire details!
Quote from: Netrogo on December 12, 2007, 09:20:50 PM
I was at Otakon for the One Piece panel with the new creative team. It was pretty cool, the director, a writer, and a couple of the actors. They were talking about what would and wouldn't be fixed, and going on about how big fans of One Piece they were. They had the whole audience sold, even responded to every question perfectly... Until one fan asked them what they would be doing in regards to the word Nakama. They looked at each other for a moment then in the same confident voice asked 'What is that?' The looks on their faces when their entire audience just suddenly went 'Ooooooo' was priceless. In one single answer they killed the entire mood in the room.
The reason for this as the question asker explained was because Nakama is pretty much THE most important word in the series. Luffy says it atleast eight times a freaking episode. I don't remember how they responded to that. Everything after that point was lost in a sort of haze of disappointment. Personally I felt lied to. The fact that someone would go on about how great a fan they were yet not know the single most important thing about it. That'd be like saying you're a huge fan of Batman and not knowing who Bruce Wayne is.
According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakama), Nakama means colleague, compatriot, or comrade. I assume that this is the meaning that you are referring to. I'd have to look at a few episodes to see how this is being translated, but my first guess would be "crew". If I was watching a film about sailors and naval actions, the fact that word "crew" or "shipmates" was used frequently wouldn't indicate to me that that word was the key concept in the movie.
(long version)
I'm gonna freak all the anti-censorship people out, and say that I'm actually in favor of certain forms of censorship. There are some things that young children simply should not see. What, exactly? Well, I leave that up to the parents of said child. There are things, for example, which I really don't want to see, and Saw is one of them. The Matrix, rated R, was fine. Saw, also rated R, I don't want to see, from what I've heard.
The odd thing is that you can show me pretty much anything in an animated context, and it won't bother me.(bloody dismemberment and dissection of live bodies), but violence in a live-action setting makes me want to turn away. There was a presentation in one of my classes at University which involved a Yakuza movie wherein one of the characters did the whole self-disembowel thing. I quietly looked at my desk and doodled through the whole thing.
Now, this isn't to say I'm against releasing movies which contain... shall we say "objectionable" content. I just think that, like they're doing now, we should be told exactly what we're in for, and honestly, I'd say what we've got on the boxes now is a bit vague. "A scene of nudity?" Does that mean a character is naked in one scene, and you get to see it all, or does that mean that a character is naked in a scene, and is obscured by tricky camera angles and L-shaped bedsheets? "Strong language?" Does that mean that the F-word is used twice, or is there a scene in the movie where a character goes on a Tourettes spree?
I'm actually quite irked at Hollywood for shutting down businesses like "Clean Films," which would re-edit the objectionable content out of movies. If you didn't know what was missing, you didn't miss it, and for the most part, the movies(Hitch, Office Space) were still good(dare I say BETTER) in their edited format than unedited. Others(The Matrix: Reloaded and Chronicles of Riddick) were not worse, per-se, but without all the gratuitous swearing, boobies, and bloody dismemberment, it suddenly became very clear that the movie was just a big CG fest or a special-effects orgy. Mostly, though, it was Hollywood's claim that the re-edits were ruining the story, which was supposed to be Hollywood's property.
Excuse me?
The story belongs to who, now?
If you're going to be pulling stuff out of your (rectum) like that, why don't you start with your horrifically bloated HEAD! It's not your story, it's my story, it's my mother's story, it's my sister's story. Every single viewer or reader will experience a story which is uniquely theirs, and theirs alone, and trying to be a Nazi about it is just stupid. You don't want me to watch your movie? FINE, I won't watch your movie, but if you're going to then turn around and complain about low theater turnout, don't come whining to me.
This, in short, is why IMO, the executives at Hollywood need sodomize each other with porcupines and broken glass, and why if someone wants to detonate a small-yield nuke and wipe the place off the face of the planet, I will openly donate money to the cause.
(short version)
TL/DR
Side note, which I find interesting: porn in Japan must be censored by law. That same porn in the "uptight and censorship-happy" USA does not need censoring.
I watched bloodsport and just about every old Clint Eastwood western when I was ten. I watched the original Child's Play (Chucky films for the unenlightened around the same time. Did I get all hyped up and play punch and kick my way around the house after watching Bloodsport? Yeah, I was a ten year old boy I'd have done that anyways. Did Child's Play scare the bejesus outta me? Heck yeah, I had a My Buddy doll at the time. When I went to bed that night I stuffed the bugger away in the closest cuz I was worried he'd kill me.
Did I go running out and beat try to beat people up? No, Dad made a point of making sure I knew that it was a movie and should not do what I saw on it myself. Did the fear last? A little while but not very, it wasn't long before I was snuggling my favourite toy at bedtime once again.
The reason people think this stuff shoudl be censored nowadays is because lazy/slow/retarded/I'm not taking any of this back regardless of who it offends/neanderthal parents won't take the ten minutes out of their 'oh so important' fucking lives to teach their kids the difference between fiction and reality. I don't care how realistic something looks. If you teach a child the difference they'll KNOW THE DAMN DIFFERENCE. Baby them and they'll just wind up sissy little douches when they're older who will then turn around and try to censor things even more, and the chain will go on.
Don't get me wrong I think alot of movies need to tone stuff down. Violence, cursing, and sex just for the sake of violence, cursing, and sex is for frat parties not film. Film is about a story, if your story doesn't require someones head being ripped off and thrown at the back of someone's head while he nails some chick he met in a bar five minutes ago all while spouting off the entire ghetto dictionary of vulgarity, then DON'T DO IT.
However if it does happen to require that, by all means do it. It'll probably be a horrible film (or possibly hilarious) but by all means go nuts.
Quote from: Raist on December 12, 2007, 11:03:15 PM
The Matrix, rated R, was fine.
....wait, what? M15+, dude.
Oh yeah, I'm Australian...
who framed roger rabbit is G (in canada).
it contains:
many sexual inuendos
an alcoholic character
a man being run over with a steamroller
a man being strangled in a film projector
numerous shootout scenes
blood (human blood)
an infant (admitably a toon) smoking and hitting on women
meanwhile, indiana jones and the raiders of the lost arc is rated PG in canada.
in this a man's head is blown off by a plane propeller
several people are shot
nazis melt
people get run over/blown up
however the inuendo is less, the swearing is less and the graphic violence is less than roger rabbit.
remember that even in the states, PG-13 means 'may be unsuitable for children under the age of 13.'
arguably many children also gloss over the 'dark' parts of stories.
how many of you realized eddie was an alcoholic in roger rabbit as kids? or that the goonies swore profusely? i sure didn't.
in other words
god you guys stop being such wimps
Quote from: icarus on December 13, 2007, 07:45:56 AM
{wall of facts}
in other words
god you guys stop being such wimps
Quoted, but shrunk, for truth.
Wasn't it mentioned in another thread that in today's climate, the early seasons of Sesame Street are not suitable for children?
Quote from: DarkAudit on December 13, 2007, 08:56:12 AM
Wasn't it mentioned in another thread that in today's climate, the early seasons of Sesame Street are not suitable for children?
Yes, it was (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,3733.0.html)
Quote from: icarus on December 13, 2007, 07:45:56 AM
(Film Examples)
arguably many children also gloss over the 'dark' parts of stories.
how many of you realized eddie was an alcoholic in roger rabbit as kids? or that the goonies swore profusely? i sure didn't.
in other words
god you guys stop being such wimps
Haha, yeah. I always love watching old kids movies and then going, "What the hell? How'd they get away with that!?", because I honestly never noticed them.
I've got a great example of a low rated movie with several adult themes.
Ever heard of Rock and Rule? It's an animated movie rated PG, both in Canada and the US, and it has:
Lots of swearing
Breasts. In several scenes.
Drug use/alcohol use
A whole lot of sexual innuendo. Don't ask me about Banana Man (so dubbed by a friend).
Satanic worshiping (Don't really care about this one, but a lot of overbearing people probably would).
A monster. That spews fetuses from it's mouth.
Fetuses. But people loved the film as kids. They just didn't notice or care. I watched it last year, so I didn't get to have the advantage of childlike ignorance.
Quote from: Netrogo on December 13, 2007, 01:36:24 AM
I watched bloodsport and just about every old Clint Eastwood western when I was ten. I watched the original Child's Play (Chucky films for the unenlightened around the same time. Did I get all hyped up and play punch and kick my way around the house after watching Bloodsport? Yeah, I was a ten year old boy I'd have done that anyways. Did Child's Play scare the bejesus outta me? Heck yeah, I had a My Buddy doll at the time. When I went to bed that night I stuffed the bugger away in the closest cuz I was worried he'd kill me.
Whoop-de-##&%-do for you, Net, your parents decided that it's fine for you to watch R-rated movies.
That's fine with me.
However, each and every parent should be allowed to decide what their children watch, not the government, not the general public. Like I said before, I don't
want to see death and bloody dismemberment and scenes of torture in a live-action movie. My parents were about as attentative as could be, probably moreso than yours. They spent hours with my brothers and sister and me trying to instill an understanding of right and wrong, and reality and fiction, and they decided that movies which are rated R shouldn't be seen in their household. It's not because they're lazy, believe me, if you called my mom lazy she'd probably break you in half.
The thing is, see, teaching kids the difference doesn't always help. I know full-well that Indiana Jones is fiction, and CNN is... well, CNN is also fiction.(as are Fox News, NBC, and whatever other 'news' broadcasts you've got out there, American or otherwise. Just to be clear.) My parents spent literally
hours making sure I understood that, but after it's all said and done, I was not the most mentally stable person around as a kid, having gotten into seven fights in my 7th year of school
alone. It was probably more than that, that's just the number of times they caught and punished me, and that's with the considerably milder stuff that I was exposed to.
My brother is twenty, now. When he turned 18, my parents said "We don't care if you watch R-rated movies, you're an adult, now, just don't bring them in this house." He watched a few, and then came back to my mom and dad and said "Thanks for not letting me watch those when I was younger. You were right."
So, Net, to each his own. I'm
not saying your parents did anything wrong by letting you watch movies that I personally never want to see. DON'T TELL ME MY PARENTS DID WRONG BY NOT LETTING ME WATCH THEM.
[edit]note: Who Framed Roger Rabbit? was one of the movies I was not allowed to watch, and currently have no desire to. Indiana Jones, on the other hand, I simply have not finished watching because I've been doing other things.
My parents were kinda strict and wouldn't let me near the (18)'s and such until now. I now realize what i was missing.
Quote from: Marmonstein on December 13, 2007, 09:29:30 AM
Quote from: icarus on December 13, 2007, 07:45:56 AM
(Film Examples)
arguably many children also gloss over the 'dark' parts of stories.
how many of you realized eddie was an alcoholic in roger rabbit as kids? or that the goonies swore profusely? i sure didn't.
in other words
god you guys stop being such wimps
Haha, yeah. I always love watching old kids movies and then going, "What the hell? How'd they get away with that!?", because I honestly never noticed them.
Like how in Rescue Rangers, there was a crook impersonating a baby and shoot at the RRs with a GUN while still looking like a BABY. They even left it in for the reruns on Toon Disney.
And yet when Disney bought the rights to the Digimon show, they censor the fact that one kid punches another kid.
Quote from: Hermie on December 12, 2007, 06:46:30 PM
Ah, Canada. That would explain it.
You guys are a lot more lax than us uptight paranoid Americans....
Not true.
Maybe the rating system is done a little different, but Canadians are big on completely censoring films - even animated ones. The Ottawa Animation Festival has gotten a huge amount of criticism for blacklisting certain films. And they don't just censor films - they've been know to seize shipments of printed comics. So watch out Amber (and others), what you bring back from your next con, or try to publish - especially in Ontario.
Quote from: Raist on December 13, 2007, 11:21:50 AM
believe me, if you called my mom lazy she'd probably break you in half.
I was going to make a good rebuttle but honestly I can't respect someone in an argument who makes any sort of physical threat on the internet. Quite frankly because...
You're mom is lazy.
Heck she's really lazy.
She's the laziest human being on the planet.
My address is {Removed because I felt like it}. I'll be the guy laying on the couch in the living room, most likely in a black shirt and blue jeans, with black rimmed glasses on and messy shoulder length hair.
I won't hold my breath waiting...
u dead, dog
Well in the event a mysterious woman shows up at my door with threats of spinal injury. I have a large jamaican roommate in the other room for back up :mwaha
problem now, Net, is...
I'm lazy. :P
But yeah no... I'll be working for years just to pay off the debt incurred for my higher education. I can't imagine the amount of monetary compensation they deserve for the task of raising me. If my parents were lazy, I would be dead right now.
'cause hiding the battered, bruised body of a five-year-old would have been easier than the latter seventeen years.
You would think that! But after a while, it gets really difficult hiding all those 5 year olds. I mean yeah...they "look" smaller than average...but they are notoriously tricky.
Now 5 months! Those suckers fit in almost anyplace!
Quote from: Raist on December 14, 2007, 01:02:59 AM
'cause hiding the battered, bruised body of a five-year-old would have been easier than the latter seventeen years.
True dat. At times I think my parents still consider the 'hide the body option' with me. Namely anytime I call to borrow money :grin
In regards to the earlier 'pleasantness' I think we can just agree to disagree. Clearly we both have some rather different views of how censorship should be handled, but debating it here's not gonna change anything.
Quote from: Amber Williams on December 14, 2007, 01:36:54 AM
You would think that! But after a while, it gets really difficult hiding all those 5 year olds. I mean yeah...they "look" smaller than average...but they are notoriously tricky.
Now 5 months! Those suckers fit in almost anyplace!
Future mother of the year :veryevil
oh, I'm not saying that every movie should be G-rated, or that we should abolish the movie rating industry alltogether.
What I would like, though, is something like what we've got, where they'll release the R-rated version, and then the Director's Uncut "Not safe for humanity" version, except also release PG-13 and/or PG versions, for those of us who don't like seeing people get shot and have sex with each other every five minutes.
I think any studio that decided to do that would make a killing, actually.
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Also, do I get win points just for reading a post with so much win as Amber's
Quote from: Raist on December 14, 2007, 01:46:36 AM
oh, I'm not saying that every movie should be G-rated, or that we should abolish the movie rating industry alltogether.
What I would like, though, is something like what we've got, where they'll release the R-rated version, and then the Director's Uncut "Not safe for humanity" version, except also release PG-13 and/or PG versions, for those of us who don't like seeing people get shot and have sex with each other every five minutes.
I think any studio that decided to do that would make a killing, actually.
See that I can agree with. The problem I had earlier is the company you mentioned that was 'dumbing down' the films sounded like it was a seperate company that had nothing to do with the studios, which to me means they were basically stealing the films and editing then rereleasing them. If I misunderstood that I appologize.
However you're right, if the studios were to release multiple copies of the films they could make a killing, the problem is how much it would cost. Contrary to popular belief the amount of money they'd have to spend to reedit (editors for films don't come cheap) would be damn high, not to mention some things would require being reshot completely for the film to make sense, which would mean paying the cast and crew even more (Can't think of any film examples of this but the comic Peter is the Wolf is a good example. Anytime something 'naughty' happens they have a seperately drawn version of it for the adult and normal sections of the site.) If they could find a cost effective way to do this then yeah it'd be an excellent option.
Actually, houses like CleanFilms took every precaution to avoid legal quagmire, and would still be fine had Hollywood not claimed that the story of said movie was theirs, in direct contradiction to... I forgot who wrote Ender's Game.(good book. I must read the sequals.)
It worked like Netflix. Every member who paid fees to the company was considered a "part owner" of a stock of several hundred(probably several thousand) legal and legit DVDs. For every legal DVD in the library, there was one backup copy, also legal according to the RIAA, except the backup copy had various things edited out.
The Matrix: Reloaded, for example, lost the sex scene, Trinity shooting the ghost in the arm, Persephone trepanating the vampire, and all swear words which couldn't be said in a PG setting, yielding a PG end result which lost none of the impact of the original(me having seen both versions), but unveiling the movie for what it was: a special effects orgy which really wasn't that great. Honestly, I would have liked a version with just the sex scene and most of the coarser curse words removed, for a PG-13 rating, but eh.
The editors did their best to stay true to the movie's core, and in fact, the site carried a disclaimer that while all of the "objectionable material" was removed, many movies had certain thematic elements inherent to the story which may still offend viewers. 50 First Dates became a charming love story, Office Space became a live-action Dilbert movie(I'm not sure what was cut from the latter. It wasn't missed.) MIB2 was so rife with innuendo that I think it actually lost something in the translation, but my younger siblings, who never saw the original version, would probably argue the point. Chronicles of Riddick was just bad, and I can't imagine it would have been any better with the swearing and violence added back in. The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen was... promising, but fell flat.
An interesting side-effect was that occasionally, when a particularly bad cut had been made in the original movie, it made you wonder what had just been edited. We figured out what was happening when those cuts were happening as we watched movies that hadn't been edited.
Ultimately, Hollywood decided to sue, on the grounds that if they made a movie where a man gets his head blown off, shown in gory Technicolor detail across all 60 inches of your rear-projection flatpanel, they want you to see a man get his head blown off, shown in gory Technicolor detail across all 60 inches of your rear-projection flatpanel, with the only other options being A: close your eyes, or B: don't watch the movie.
The point of the matter is that Cleanfilms, and similar places, were costing Hollywood nothing, actually improving the sales of their movies, and reaching a population segment which would ordinarily have nothing to do with them, and Hollywood made it quite clear that they aren't in the business of making money, they're in the business of spreading smut as far as the eye can see, and anyone who tries to stand in their way will answer to their lawyers.
Frankly, Hell's charges are cheaper.
i know a good expample my fave show growing up andstill is the real ghostbusters- when it orginaly aired for a g rated show it contined alot of dark matrial
the necromanicon
a guy with a magic flute bringing the endof the world
werewolves and vmpires
the adults complianed and the show giot ruineed in the later season cause they 'toned itdown'
but i dont think the kids ever complained - heck i lvoved it (mainly cause the jokes against the dark tone helped)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15sJK6Fh_Ys - explosinons in the first 2 miutes :)
Ghostbusters (completely fucking RULED!!! I have the entire original series on dvd here XD) and Sesame Street are two examples of censorship gone wrong. In my opinion anyways.
Quote from: Netrogo on December 14, 2007, 02:51:55 AM
Ghostbusters (completely fucking RULED!!! I have the entire original series on dvd here XD) and Sesame Street are two examples of censorship gone wrong. In my opinion anyways.
*jealous!!*
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Quote from: Netrogo on December 14, 2007, 02:51:55 AM
Ghostbusters (completely fucking RULED!!! I have the entire original series on dvd here XD) and Sesame Street are two examples of censorship gone wrong. In my opinion anyways.
*jealous!!*
It's just burnt dvds. Friend of mine got them off of ebay :)
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Quote from: Silverfoxr on December 14, 2007, 02:56:38 AM
Quote from: Netrogo on December 14, 2007, 02:51:55 AM
Ghostbusters (completely fucking RULED!!! I have the entire original series on dvd here XD) and Sesame Street are two examples of censorship gone wrong. In my opinion anyways.
*jealous!!*
It's just burnt dvds. Friend of mine got them off of ebay :)
Why did they pay for DVDs that had been on fire? :B
*Charles is not hip with modern technical terms...* ;)
Quote from: Silverfoxr on December 14, 2007, 02:22:11 AM
...a guy with a magic flute bringing the endof the world...
... that he plays like a recorder...
Not that I'm picking holes or anything...
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Quote from: Silverfoxr on December 14, 2007, 02:22:11 AM
...a guy with a magic flute bringing the endof the world...
... that he plays like a recorder...
Not that I'm picking holes or anything...
Llearch is a nerd.
I wouldn't be proding the box too hard there.
There's more power in one of them boxes, than the rest of the forum put together!
Okay, I'd like to perform a 180. *spins*
Anyway, in retrospect, I think you actually did quite well giving it that rating, Amber. I thought it wasn't going to be as dark as it was, which actually was a very good thing.
It allowed me to be shocked by the contents of the story arc, similar to what the characters went through. I wasn't expecting that Abel's dad would suddenly flip out and kill Hennya, among other events. With that rating, I was expecting something much softer. It actually made for a nice effect. It was like I was reading a horror comic or something, and I didn't know what was going to happen next. If it had an MA rating, I would have expected all of that.
But damn.. that story just STUCK IN MY HEAD. And you did a DAMN good job on Abel's facial expressions.
... From now on, this will be one of my regular stops on the internet.
For you, Amber, a cookie. :mowcookie ^^
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Quote from: Silverfoxr on December 14, 2007, 02:22:11 AM
...a guy with a magic flute bringing the endof the world...
... that he plays like a recorder...
Not that I'm picking holes or anything...
Recorders are flutes - axial flutes to be specific. The more well know flute and piccolo are transverse flutes.
I'm just wondering where you would rate episodes of Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Dr. Who. For Buffy the Vampire Slayer, I recall one episode where Willow completely stripped the skin off a person and there was an episode of Dr. Who (Delta and the Bannermen) where a busload of tourists was incinerated. These were shown on network television in the United States and there were episodes of these shows that were far creepier than anything I've seen on DMFA.
Quote from: Marmonstein on December 13, 2007, 09:29:30 AMSatanic worshiping (Don't really care about this one, but a lot of overbearing people probably would).
Oh, I don't see any reason to exclude the non-overbearing people...
Satanic worshipping is for losers. If you worship Satan, you're a loser...
... and you will die in 7 days! :mwaha
Quote from: Alondro on December 14, 2007, 10:44:30 PM
Satanic worshipping is for losers. If you worship Satan, you're a loser...
... and you will die in 7 days! :mwaha
Sounds like a chain letter.
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Quote from: Alondro on December 14, 2007, 10:44:30 PM
Satanic worshipping is for losers. If you worship Satan, you're a loser...
... and you will die in 7 days! :mwaha
Sounds like a chain letter.
Chain letters are of the purest evil. No one would dare touch one of those willingfully, aware of its hazard on the body, mind, and soul.
Its perfect for Charline.
Quote from: Caswin on December 14, 2007, 10:16:07 PM
Quote from: Marmonstein on December 13, 2007, 09:29:30 AMSatanic worshiping (Don't really care about this one, but a lot of overbearing people probably would).
Oh, I don't see any reason to exclude the non-overbearing people...
I meant the kind of people who thought there were secret satanic images in Pokemon. :B But, yes, I understand that more calm and rational people can be offended by it.
Quote from: Kenji on December 15, 2007, 11:46:49 AM
Quote from: LionHeart on December 15, 2007, 11:38:42 AM
Sounds like a chain letter.
Chain letters are of the purest evil. No one would dare touch one of those willingfully, aware of its hazard on the body, mind, and soul.
Its perfect for Charline.
*Charline nods* I invented them. :3
*And Charline becomes more hated and feared than any creature before or after* :P
Quote from: Alondro on December 15, 2007, 02:52:38 PM
Quote from: Kenji on December 15, 2007, 11:46:49 AM
Chain letters are of the purest evil. No one would dare touch one of those willingfully, aware of its hazard on the body, mind, and soul.
Its perfect for Charline.
*Charline nods* I invented them. :3
*And Charline becomes more hated and feared than any creature before or after* :P
Hated? maybe? Feared? Nah, you just made legions of enemies with all sorts of weapons, powers, and abilities, both good and evil :p
Quote from: Kuari on December 15, 2007, 04:13:19 PM
Quote from: Alondro on December 15, 2007, 02:52:38 PM
*Charline nods* I invented them. :3
*And Charline becomes more hated and feared than any creature before or after* :P
Hated? maybe? Feared? Nah, you just made legions of enemies with all sorts of weapons, powers, and abilities, both good and evil :p
The poll results are in. The Neutrals are officially your enimes as well. Have a marvellous day. :)
When it comes to censorship and rating, it is a subject near and dear to my heart.
In short, I beleive there should be NO reason for censorship and a high call for a good rating system.
before I say anymore, go onto google video and watch "This Film has Not Been Rated". If you need any more encouragement, Kevin Smith makes an appearence.
Censorship should be done by the viewer/reader/listener (or their guardian in the case of minors), based on a meaningful rating system. But then again, content shouldn't have to be at a level that makes people want to censor it. In SecondLife, if others are getting out of hand with the "mature" content, I leave so I don't have to see or listen to it. It's either that, or ask them to tone it down.
That's my same stance as well! I also believe there should be no censorship of anything, but everything should be very clearly 'labeled'. It's the choice of the person if they want to see something or not; if they don't like it, no one's forcing them to watch it.
Quote from: AmigaDragon on December 15, 2007, 11:02:55 PMIn SecondLife, if others are getting out of hand with the "mature" content, I leave so I don't have to see or listen to it. It's either that, or ask them to tone it down.
But they don't have to conform to your rules and standards! There's no reason for them to listen to you! It's not their problem if you're too uptight to handle it! Nobody's forcing you to stay! If you don't like it you should leave! And probably stay gone because it's only going to get worse! That's how the world works! Which is a good thing! Anyone who suggests otherwise is in denial and speaking out of willful ignorance!
American! :U
(Have I mentioned I'm just a little bit bitter?)
It seems off-topicness is an unwritten rule here. XD
It depends on how you go about it. Deliberately trolling the topic, looking to stir up trouble is frowned upon. Natural progression of the topic to new subjects is not.
Less of a rule; more of a scientific law.
God, I don't even know with semi-colons any more.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on December 17, 2007, 11:13:36 PM
It depends on how you go about it. Deliberately trolling the topic, looking to stir up trouble is frowned upon. Natural progression of the topic to new subjects is not.
Agreed. Thankfully here the admins understand the concept of conversation and how it will change as it goes on. Think about any conversation you've had with someone in person, odds are you've gone from talking about peanut butter sandwiches to video games to nuclear warfare in a single conversation. Forums are like that nowadays, they're not just some place to post a question, get an answer, and be done with it.
Mind you this does make things difficult for people just stepping in. A topic that's reached a few pages and be a chore to read through and the topic itself might not be the same as when it first started thus making things slightly confusing. But that's the price we pay for real socialization in a digital form.
I'm reminded of my old Theory of Topic Evolution... This place gives strong evidence for it.
I just call it the Mutation of Conversation :P
I call it normal.
I'm used to forums where off-topicness can get you in trouble.
Except in the Mod lounge of one Sonic RP site I'm on... Our Charmy is a spammer at heart. XD
In case anyone is wondering, I play Big the Cat.
Quote from: Cogidubnus on December 12, 2007, 05:25:34 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on December 12, 2007, 05:14:05 PM
Devin's death, Xander's Death, even Hennya's death were all toned down and I never really went in for in-depth view of the gory details.
(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j5/Cogidubnus/sheisdead.jpg)
Oh? >:3
Really, I jest.:3 I hardly think Abel's Story is too violent for its rating, or corrupting today's youth or somesuch. I could be incorrect, but I think I recall SAW being rated R (A fairly equivalent rating, from what I understand), and I'd imagine that's a lot gorier and more disturbing than this.
when i saw this i dind't quite realise what had happened it was only when i went over it later and then realised he chopped her up like a carrot. if this was a higher ratiting the whole room would have been splattered with blood from floor too seeling (and Able would have died from shock)
As I understand it, that sort of horrific damage IRL causes paint-like coverage of the area. After all, the pressure in your arteries and veins isn't going to go away just because they've all been separated, at least until after it empties the blood all over the room.
Remember that the blood pressure is spread over the whole body. Removing a limb causes the blood to spurt out - literally - as a result of the lack of sealing. This is why arteries are such a danger if they get cut.
I would expect that image to be a snap-shot, the moment before the blood cuts loose.
Abel really has good reasons to be shocked. Hennya is all over the walls.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on December 24, 2007, 02:35:07 PM
Abel really has good reasons to be shocked. Hennya is all over the walls.
And the ceiling, and the floor, and the lamp, and the people, and the.....
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uptight paranoid Americans.
Quoted for truth.
Not all of us are. Just the r-tards who whine and complain about censorship. Oh, and the other r-tards who give in to it.
I'm american too, if you didn't know :B I see it all the time, and it really bugs me.
That's why I quoted for truth.
Who said I was speaking for anyone else, anyways? Heck, half the people who are "against censorship" are just as guilty, wanting to censor a few things they don't like. :B
If one truely hates censorship, they will fight against the censorship of things they don't like.
Quote from: EspyLacopa on December 27, 2007, 08:41:40 AM
If one truely hates censorship, they will fight against the censorship of things they don't like.
I will defend your right to speak your mind, but I reserve the right to call you an idiot for saying it. :)