right...
This place. The Clockwork Mansion... I've been here two or three weeks now, mainly lurching, because I can't think anything new or intelligent enough to say. Now, I'm not sure how much you want or care to know what I think about, but bear in mind that no one is prophet in their own land. Remember the words of Andre Gide: "Believe those who are seeking the truth; doubt those who find it." So keep your mind open to my thoughts and I will keep mine for yours.
First of all, it was never my intention to start posting in this place, but then certain "random hug" awoke me from my slumber. Of course, my first action was to forbid people from touching me , but I must say that it was the nicest welcome I've ever received in any forum (and trust me, I've been visiting in many places). You people are colorful, happy, nice (even when insulting). Sometimes it feels like you guys are made of marshmallows and silver linings. I've been in boards where the flame you to pieces if you make a one silly joke or have less than 500 posts. But in here, if someone even looks at you the wrong way, moderators will mangle him/her into a bloody pile of gore with their rainbow sticks while chanting some Gregorian verses. And there's so many girls in here (or at least I think they're girls :paranoid) I didn't even know that that many female use internet. Look at all those emoticons. There's like every one for every week of a year. And this is the first time I've seen a spell check button! joy.
So everything is clean and pretty. The sun shines and green fields of grass wave with wind. Everyone have a smile on their face. Sound like a paradise, doesn't it? Well, not really. More like a police state. This place is ruled with an iron hand and those who stick out gets the stick. But what more can you expect from Pg-13 rated forum? People create the society and society creates the people. If the society is fascist, it will create selfrighteous fascistic people. I dunno. It just feels like there's a sword hanging above me whenever I post in here.
*notices that the moderators are getting a bit too close for comford with their rainbow sticks*
I'd like to remind you that this is not a rant and I'm not trying to play a demagogy here! Yeah, I know that I sound like one, but I'm not telling you to change anything. I don't know what kinds of seasonal catastrophes there has been and I cannot tell what the future holds. I'm just talking what I've seen in here for these passing weeks. If I don't like the way you people run this place, then I'll just have to adjust or stay away. The change starts from oneself. yes?
Truth be told, the PG rating on the forum only really extends to the DMFA section, the RP section, and the Games section. Everything else has an R rating and allows for mature content as long as there is a [NSFW] warning in the thread title.
The vast majority of the mod activities are actually done behind curtains, so what you guys actually see is only an ice-burg tip so to speak. It's not really suprising that the grumpiest aspects are the only ones that ever hit the public...since all the easy resolved ones get solved via PMs and offscreen. :U
*shrugs*
The mods are all nice people (maybe I'm exaggerating...), but we do try our best to help out and keep everything clear of stupid and happy for everyone. If you ever have problems or anything, we're here to listen - I know I'll listen to anything you need to say.
So you don't have to feel like there's sharp pointy instruments of doom over your head when you post, the forum isn't all PG - Amber already said it though, hehe.
But besides that, we feel that the forum should be a place to enjoy and have fun with other people. We'd hate to see it spoiled and the place start to get a bitter taste... If you have a certain issue, that's what we mods are here for, and then you can always rant on your blog or something. Not every "bad" thing is banned, but just certain things. Overall though, I like to think that the forum is a bit like extended family, here to support you and all that. :)
(Oh, and I don't carry rainbow sticks... here, have a muffin instead) :rj
It's odd
I realy haven't noticed much mod mauling
certain things will get a mod reaction but it rarely seems out of line,
hell they put up with my innuendo laced hijinks
We tend to nudge before we really start mauling. A "don't do that" of some type is usually issued before we really start going to town. I personally like to make examples, so that I only have to say things once or twice- I'm not a big fan of repeating myself. Darkmoon's pretty much an ass, so anything he says should be taken with a grain of mean, but overwhelmingly, we're not here to make it suck for you, or make you feel like you're being watched constantly... you're nowhere NEAR that list ;)
And yes, there is a list.
Woah! One starts criticizing the system and poff! Few of the top tots are already checking the closets and turning tables upside down. By all means, when someone starts accusing you (which I
didn't), you can explain yourselves, but how did you find me so quickly?
*paranoia rising*
Quote from: Amber Williams on November 10, 2007, 06:27:24 AM
The vast majority of the mod activities are actually done behind curtains, so what you guys actually see is only an ice-burg tip so to speak. It's not really suprising that the grumpiest aspects are the only ones that ever hit the public...since all the easy resolved ones get solved via PMs and offscreen. :U
That sounds like capitalism! FBI, Interpol, CIA, SUPO, Batman, KGB.... ...wait a minute...
Well, I'm sure it's better than public executions.
Quote from: RJ on November 10, 2007, 07:54:32 AM
Overall though, I like to think that the forum is a bit like extended family, here to support you and all that. :)
That sounds like communism!!
mmm... a muffin...
But seriously, there's nothing really
wrong in here. It's just that it's not perfect. Now, would somebody take off these handcuffs.
No system is going to be perfect.
If you remove the rules, what you end up with is a lawless no-man's-land. Trust me, I've belonged to those forums in the past. Invariably, rules have to be instituted.
If you're lax with the rules, allowing things to slide because you're trying to foster happy feelings, you end up with some people feeling unfairly punished when other people were able to get away with "this or that". Rules have to be enforced evenly or not at all, and all the rules we have are, in our estimation, good and necessary rules.
And apparently, if you enforce the rules fairly, evenly, quickly, and across the board, people claim you're being too harsh.
No system is perfect, but you try to find the system that seems to work the best for what kind of arena you're looking to build.
Many of the members that came here are from the old DMFA forum, where there weren't a lot of rules... certainly not any that could be enforced, since the admins at the Nice wouldn't bother to do much of anything. Other members have come from Castlevania communities, none of which have ever managed to find the right admin to rules to members ratios or policies.
The goal in making this place was to establish a police state of a sort, yes. The rules are there for a reason. They are to be enforced. If that makes you watch everything you post out of fear you might say something wrong, well, I think that's the right response. I'm pleased by that.
Tis better for you to stare over your shoulder and post things that won't get you banned than it is for you to post everything that comes to mind and get kicked out.
To be perfectly honest, this is, by far, the best moderated forum I have ever been registered to. :U And I'm an administrator of two forums, myself.
I wasn't aware that the rules here were particularly strict. The mods seem to keep things quiet pretty well, I guess.
Quote from: Omega on November 10, 2007, 08:52:34 AM
That sounds like communism!!
It's only communism if you're forced to do it. We do it of our own accord, it's charity.
The difference between a police state and here is that anyone is free to leave whenever they like.
I think probably the best thing is that you have to seriously bother ...was it three mods before they'll agree to ban you? Three people have to agree that you've been a goob before action is taken.
If we are being ruled by an iron hand, at least it's a (largely) benevolent iron hand, right?
For clear rule violations (such as Spam of failure to post NSFW warnings, as an example), a single moderator will normally handle it and them make mention after the fact to the other mods.
For rules that have to be interpreted (like when someone is being overly antagonistic to other members), it will usually take a vote of at least 4 mods to warn/ban a person for their actions.
That's 4 mods for a fair vote out of 7 total mods.
Quote from: Omega on November 10, 2007, 08:52:34 AM
Woah! One starts criticizing the system and poff! Few of the top tots are already checking the closets and turning tables upside down. By all means, when someone starts accusing you (which I didn't), you can explain yourselves, but how did you find me so quickly?
*paranoia rising*
Cause it was 5AM and your thread was the only one that had new content in it. :U
Quote from: Amber Williams on November 10, 2007, 04:24:56 PM
Quote from: Omega on November 10, 2007, 08:52:34 AM
Woah! One starts criticizing the system and poff! Few of the top tots are already checking the closets and turning tables upside down. By all means, when someone starts accusing you (which I didn't), you can explain yourselves, but how did you find me so quickly?
*paranoia rising*
Cause it was 5AM and your thread was the only one that had new content in it. :U
i
thought it was early for an American...
Well, I've been here for a while, and I've noticed that there are a few people who push against the rules and ignore them, and the moderation system is fairly lenient and forgiving (at first!), with warnings and short bannings.
I don't feel particularly threatened while posting here (other than my own innate shyness!) except so far as I might worry a more controversial post will bring a warning down on me.
Then again, it's my nature to try and get along with everyone, and to follow the rules as best as I can. I'm really not the best person to ask about getting on the wrong end of the moderator's rainbow sticks. ;)
I dont think there has ever been a case where a single post resulted in an official "you have been warned". We are more than aware sometimes people have bad days, or emotions can run high in a particular instance. At most someone might get a PM going "you may want to cut back a bit good sir. :U" letting them know they are starting to creep towards that zone.
But usually once you get the official warning in the public area, you have done a repeat situation with no sign of slowing.
Quote from: Amber Williams on November 10, 2007, 04:24:56 PM
Cause it was 5AM and your thread was the only one that had new content in it. :U
Hmmm... gotta remember that to the next time I'll be making a thread.
Well, this is the best thing I could have really hoped for: Cold, hard conversation about using power. Now, if we could get Machiavelli and Sun Zu quotes, it couldn't get any better.
"Order and disorder are the fruits of careful planning and preparations or lack of one or both"
Quote from: Omega on November 10, 2007, 08:52:34 AM
Woah! One starts criticizing the system and poff! Few of the top tots are already checking the closets and turning tables upside down. By all means, when someone starts accusing you (which I didn't), you can explain yourselves, but how did you find me so quickly?
Also, as a mod, I feel that I should be required to keep an eye on the pulse of the forum as a whole. So I tend to make sure I read - or at least glance over - almost every post in every forum.
Not all mods do that, nor are expected to do that. Being the single most verbose person on the forum (gee, why haven't I posted in here yet? ;-] ) has it's down sides as well...
As for defending ourselves? Nah. We're explaining where we feel you might have the wrong end of the stick. You're welcome to disagree - heck, I think we kept Netami around for most of a year, and he was disagreeing with -all- of us, and flagrantly breaching the rules to boot. Disagree, criticize the system, whatever. We're not going to ban you for thinking we're all morons. ;-]
As RJ said, we're reasonable people, and if you disagree with one of our actions, bring it to someone's attention, as per the rules. Even -we- make mistakes, so you can bet we pay attention if someone politely objects.
Quote from: Omega on November 10, 2007, 08:52:34 AM
But seriously, there's nothing really wrong in here. It's just that it's not perfect. Now, would somebody take off these handcuffs.
But they suit you so well! ;-]
Edit:
Oh, yes. On death ground, fight. ;-]
Quote from: dannysaysnoo on November 10, 2007, 04:28:53 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on November 10, 2007, 04:24:56 PM
Quote from: Omega on November 10, 2007, 08:52:34 AM
Woah! One starts criticizing the system and poff! Few of the top tots are already checking the closets and turning tables upside down. By all means, when someone starts accusing you (which I didn't), you can explain yourselves, but how did you find me so quickly?
*paranoia rising*
Cause it was 5AM and your thread was the only one that had new content in it. :U
i thought it was early for an American...
If you go to WVU, posting at 5am means you left a party early.
I gotta say, this forum definitely a lot more mature than most forums I've been on. I think there's perhaps one other forum that is up to the level of this one. It's kind of nice, especially in comparison to how it is on most forums where the 13 year olds rule. :P
We try to keep the 13yos in check, without hampering the ones who are willing to spell correctly. ;-]
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 10, 2007, 09:27:04 PM
We try to keep the 13yos in check, without hampering the ones who are willing to spell correctly. ;-]
Here here! And kudos to the 13 year olds who spell correctly!
It's, "Hear, hear!" isn't it? :3
Quote from: xHaZxMaTx on November 10, 2007, 10:10:20 PM
It's, "Hear, hear!" isn't it?
:erk Dost mine ears deceive me or did you just.... :erk
Yeah, I guess it is. :mowignore
Quote from: Amber Williams on November 10, 2007, 06:27:24 AM
Truth be told, the PG rating on the forum only really extends to the DMFA section, the RP section, and the Games section. Everything else has an R rating and allows for mature content as long as there is a [NSFW] warning in the thread title.
What's always struck me as odd was (this is the impression I got, anyway) the decision that a
signature could push the PG rating, as it was more of a general thing, or something like that.
The best example I can come up with in regards to signature's pushing a rating would be TGH's. I admit that the reasoning behind that decision wasn't so much that the mods/admins thought they were offensive, but every month or so there was an argument regarding them and their content. And after four+ repeat arguments over basically the same thing, we reached a decision that would hopefully curb the resulting arguments. As such, a compromise of both sides had to be made for the sake of keeping the peace.
Unfortunately, the resulting cost is that if one person must be held to such a standard, then others must as well for the sake of fairness.
Besides - is it -really- that hard to keep the smut out of your .sig?
Sure, everyone gets kept to the same standard. It's not -that- high a standard, and, let's be honest - if you tried to wander down the high street wearing a shirt with non-PG-rated content on it (and I'm talking sex-related, specifically, not just violence; ain't it grand living in a hypocritical society?) you'd likely get arrested. All we're asking is that you keep to those same standards.
Reasonable, right?
Oh I don't know, I rather enjoy my stay here, but I guess that I mainly just like the people...
The only downside to this place for me is that there are times that I am simply far too lazy for the "reading"-thing.
It is unfortunate that a few friends have "departed" from here, but they haven't bothered to stay in touch anywho... *sigh* you can only stalk a person so long...
And I would imagine that it wouldn't be all that easy to moderate anyways, I know for a fact that personally, unless I had my sense of justice with the rules going, I far too much like being the nice person (although I may not always come across as such)
Quote from: Reese Tora on November 10, 2007, 04:39:08 PM
I don't feel particularly threatened while posting here (other than my own innate shyness!) except so far as I might worry a more controversial post will bring a warning down on me.
Then again, it's my nature to try and get along with everyone, and to follow the rules as best as I can.
Agreed
Quote from: Reese Tora on November 10, 2007, 04:39:08 PM
I'm really not the best person to ask about getting on the wrong end of the moderator's rainbow sticks. ;)
Disagreed.
Quote from: xHaZxMaTx on November 10, 2007, 10:10:20 PM
It's, "Hear, hear!" isn't it? :3
As in, "hear the man out/let him speak"
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 10, 2007, 09:27:04 PM
We try to keep the 13yos in check, without hampering the ones who are willing to spell correctly. ;-]
I was once a thirteen year old on-line, my content may have been stupid, but I'd like to say my spelling was Grand! (although... maybe my youngest was actually fourteen, yes, I do believe that to be the case)
I get the impression that this post is rather stupid... not forumalated in a proper manner and whatnot.
Quote from: Sienna Maiu - M T on November 11, 2007, 07:29:22 PM
And I would imagine that it wouldn't be all that easy to moderate anyways, I know for a fact that personally, unless I had my sense of justice with the rules going, I far too much like being the nice person (although I may not always come across as such)
I don't know about the other mods, but that's why I tend to not post conversationally. I find that when people think you're "friends" then they feel they can manipulate you to their way of thinking (something I've been guilty of in the past.) So, avoiding creation of friendships means that you don't have to worry about that.
Sad thing about that is you get lonely.
Quote from: Damaris on November 11, 2007, 08:10:01 PM
Quote from: Sienna Maiu - M T on November 11, 2007, 07:29:22 PM
And I would imagine that it wouldn't be all that easy to moderate anyways, I know for a fact that personally, unless I had my sense of justice with the rules going, I far too much like being the nice person (although I may not always come across as such)
I don't know about the other mods, but that's why I tend to not post conversationally. I find that when people think you're "friends" then they feel they can manipulate you to their way of thinking (something I've been guilty of in the past.) So, avoiding creation of friendships means that you don't have to worry about that.
Sad thing about that is you get lonely.
/me fires the orbital ribbon cannon on Damaris
There. The ribbons will keep you company.
LOL
sure enough when the topic of pushing the sigs limits my name comes up
*chuckles*
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 11, 2007, 04:54:17 PM
Besides - is it -really- that hard to keep the smut out of your .sig?
Sure, everyone gets kept to the same standard. It's not -that- high a standard, and, let's be honest - if you tried to wander down the high street wearing a shirt with non-PG-rated content on it (and I'm talking sex-related, specifically, not just violence; ain't it grand living in a hypocritical society?) you'd likely get arrested. All we're asking is that you keep to those same standards.
Reasonable, right?
out right smut now thats just silly (though to trll you the truth in my time in retail I've delt with more then my share of customers wearing x rated t-shirts)
So, Damaris, how was your day? :3
Hey Damaris, let's be friends and then I'll start making outrageous demands. It's a good plan. :U
But really, this is one of the better forums I've been to. At least here the rules are interestingly laid out in contrast to some legal jargon and unwritten rules. Not only that, but it feels more like this forum is filled with people speaking casually rather than kids being overly serious about nothing in particular on the internet (and not in any good way).
Sorry for the rant-like post. A lot of forums bother me like that, which is probably why I stayed after stumbling upon this particular part of the internet.
Quote from: Damaris on November 11, 2007, 08:10:01 PM
Sad thing about that is you get lonely.
Quote"It's lonely at the top"
Well, it's working. Your rare appearances, coupled with the allusions of the other mods, have made you (at least in my mind) a figure to respect.
Quote from: HeroZero on November 11, 2007, 11:21:26 PM
Hey Damaris, let's be friends and then I'll start making outrageous demands. It's a good plan. :U
But really, this is one of the better forums I've been to. At least here the rules are interestingly laid out in contrast to some legal jargon and unwritten rules. Not only that, but it feels more like this forum is filled with people speaking casually rather than kids being overly serious about nothing in particular on the internet (and not in any good way).
Sorry for the rant-like post. A lot of forums bother me like that, which is probably why I stayed after stumbling upon this particular part of the internet.
*laughs*
Hun, if
that's a rant, then I honestly don't think
you have anything to worry about.
I mean, sure you were expressing your opinion and feelings in an honest manner, but it in no way hit the boundary of the current negative conotation of just what makes a rant. And honestly... it seems more like a fact.
A good place to start posting again after one of my periodic absence's...
To be honest, I haven't felt threatened once while posting here. And I mean that from either perspective - I never feel I will get flamed for any content (Unless I'm being at my obnoxiously best, which I'm generally not online) or likewise get warned by a moderator (see previous parenthesis).
Now, Ive been on forums where the moderator(s) were assholes, and sometimes they work out OK (yes, I'm looking at you Net =P). likewise I have been to forums where moderators were stuck-up obnoxious, anally retentive, favoratistic fascists, stayed a day without posting, and left. I believe they banned my account later, because I hadn't posted.
Net lasted... how long did you last with Pink Aya, Net? 15min?
This place is nowhere near as strict as some of the places I have enjoyed going to, but they maintain lines of civil conduct. That hardly constitutes a police state - if this were run in such a way, this topic would not be allowed to exist.
It also does not have similarity's to Intelligence agency's, in that as far as I'm aware any "behind the scenes" content is simply ways of maintaining the rules (rules you agree to on sign up) without dragging the person through an embarrassing public trial and creating a huge furor. This is something I prefer, as do I believe the rest of the forumites would.
Quote from: Omega on November 10, 2007, 06:13:30 PM
Well, this is the best thing I could have really hoped for: Cold, hard conversation about using power. Now, if we could get Machiavelli and Sun Zu quotes, it couldn't get any better.
given that this is a fairly benign forum, does this show the reason you started this topic? to review power topics in general, or review the power structure in this forum in particular? forgive me for questioning your motives: This topic did start a lil deeper then what we are used to here. (maybe we need a philosophy forum? lol)
that being said, the fact that a topic doesn't usually continue past two pages and
stay on topic here, I think whats already here is all you are gonna get lol.
funnily enough, this is also the first time I have seen Amber post in a topic here in general more then once :U
Quote from: Omega on November 10, 2007, 04:59:07 AM
This place is ruled with an iron hand and those who stick out gets the stick.
Really? I always thought that they were kind of prudish. I've been trying to get the stick for MONTHS and yet not even so much as a prod.
This is a forum about castlevania right? I thought Vampires were in to that S&M shit.
*Charline defies the power structure!* Ha! I'm posting here now! :mwaha
*Charline is banned from teh Internets! FOREVER!!*
Oh noes. I should never have challenged the almighty Clockwork gods. :<
PS: Since when have rules for some basic Net civility been too harsh? Get a grip.
Quote from: Jim Halisstrad on November 12, 2007, 03:21:05 AM
Quote from: Omega on November 10, 2007, 04:59:07 AM
This place is ruled with an iron hand and those who stick out gets the stick.
Really? I always thought that they were kind of prudish. I've been trying to get the stick for MONTHS and yet not even so much as a prod.
Well, we figured you'd enjoy it, so we're deliberately not applying it. ;-]
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 12, 2007, 10:17:00 AM
Quote from: Jim Halisstrad on November 12, 2007, 03:21:05 AM
Quote from: Omega on November 10, 2007, 04:59:07 AM
This place is ruled with an iron hand and those who stick out gets the stick.
Really? I always thought that they were kind of prudish. I've been trying to get the stick for MONTHS and yet not even so much as a prod.
Well, we figured you'd enjoy it, so we're deliberately not applying it. ;-]
You know the old joke, folks. The Masochist says "Beat me! Beat me!", the Sadist says "No."
Quote from: Feroluce on November 12, 2007, 02:51:11 AM
given that this is a fairly benign forum, does this show the reason you started this topic? to review power topics in general, or review the power structure in this forum in particular? forgive me for questioning your motives: This topic did start a lil deeper then what we are used to here. (maybe we need a philosophy forum? lol)
Questioning my motives? Why you sorry little piece of...
*ahem*
I'll let you know that my motives are as less selfish as something can be. Of course, I post for myself. To gain recognition. To gain attention. Everyone who go through the effort to write something in here aims for these. Otherwise, we'd all be lurching in a empty forum. But it is the concept of our words that matter. Our messages to others define who we are and what we stand for. When you press that 'post' button, you are sending a piece of your essence for other people to judge.
*burp*Quote from: Feroluce on November 12, 2007, 02:51:11 AM
that being said, the fact that a topic doesn't usually continue past two pages and stay on topic here, I think whats already here is all you are gonna get lol.
And that's more that I asked for. *joy*
Quote from: Feroluce on November 12, 2007, 02:51:11 AM
funnily enough, this is also the first time I have seen Amber post in a topic here in general more then once :U
You'd be supprised how many places this works. Doubting the system for luring the big shots down from their ivory tower ;)
Not that was my intention, I had a feeling that this might happen.
Quote from: Omega on November 12, 2007, 04:52:15 PM
Otherwise, we'd all be lurching in a empty forum.
This is the second time you've posted "lurching" - I'm not sure it means quite what you think it means.
I mean, I lurk in a fairly busy forum, I just lurk badly. The rest of these guys...
Quote from: Omega on November 12, 2007, 04:52:15 PM
You'd be supprised how many places this works. Doubting the system for luring the big shots down from their ivory tower ;)
Not that was my intention, I had a feeling that this might happen.
Yeah, blatantly accusing the admins of bias and nepotism tends to get a response. Particularly if it's an accurate accusation.
In this case, we're just friendly, and are quite willing to entertain opposing opinions; we just get in first because most of us -are- here a lot, since it goes with the job. On the other hand, the forum rules basically boil down to
Quia Ego Sic Dico, when you really get down to it. ;-]
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 12, 2007, 06:10:32 PM
This is the second time you've posted "lurching" - I'm not sure it means quite what you think it means.
Damn. I've been caught red handed. It is indeed a wrong word. Not once, but
twice. The shame...
This of course means that I've misslearned a word.
The was supposed to be "lurk".
There's an ivory tower here where the mods reside, and never come down from?
*looks about*
where? I see several mods, but no ivory tower.
:deadhorse
There is a deep significance in this smiley. Try to comprehend it, if you can.
The Ivory Tower is hidden so the normies can't see it.