Is she evil or not?
Hmmm....Maybe
Short answer: Yes
Long answer: Yes :mwaha
:P
How about the quote from Mae West:
"When I'm good, I'm very, very good. When I'm bad, I'm better"
Evil is kinda a subjective thing, however, this might help you:
If you consider the use of children in classes devoted to torture and rape and consuming their souls when done with them to be evil, then yes. Dan's mom is evil.
Otherwise, she isn't.
I hope this helps.
It depends on if you mean "is" or "was"
"was" - very definitely, when she was at SAIA. And then she wasn't, while she was bringing Dan up.
"is" - jury is still out, it depends on what she's up to with Biggs.
Come now. If you really look at Dan, in the hardest moments that have come upon him, he like his father have been stone cold and willing to hurt. Destania feeds off of pain suffering and other some such. Not only that, given that pre-disposision for his own feedings, the only reason that Dan is Good, par se, is that he is still suffering culture shock.
I bet you he'll find it more and more difficult to be good after Jyrras dies of old age, and then his kid and then...
:mwaha
EDIT: Spelling
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 27, 2007, 08:44:04 AM
It depends on if you mean "is" or "was"
"was" - very definitely, when she was at SAIA. And then she wasn't, while she was bringing Dan up.
"is" - jury is still out, it depends on what she's up to with Biggs.
The whole Biggs things sounds more like self-defense since she's trying to destroy the dragons who have Dan's dad.
Quote from: Valynth on September 27, 2007, 02:37:33 PM
The whole Biggs things sounds more like self-defense since she's trying to destroy the dragons who have Dan's dad.
I got the impression from the conversations between Destania and Biggs (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_726.php), and Fa'lina and Pyroduck (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_729.php), that the dragon feud — whatever its cause — had been going on for what Beings would consider a long time. Maybe even for what Cubi would consider a long time: certainly a lot longer than Destania's been "missing". In this case, kidnapping Edward would have been part of the feud, and Destania's revenge plan, not the cause of it.
There has been several images of her being loving and caring. If Dan is her first and only child he probably changed her outlook on life.
...I say she's still evil.
Why?
Because she wants to kill ALL the dragons, not just the ones holding Edward captive.
:< Leave 'em alone!
Quote from: MT Hazard on September 27, 2007, 05:39:23 PMThere has been several images of her being loving and caring. If Dan is her first and only child he probably changed her outlook on life.
Loving family woman and violent, genocidal sociopath are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
Quote from: superluser on September 28, 2007, 01:45:11 AM
Quote from: MT Hazard on September 27, 2007, 05:39:23 PMThere has been several images of her being loving and caring. If Dan is her first and only child he probably changed her outlook on life.
Loving family woman and violent, genocidal sociopath are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
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Quote from: DarkAudit on September 28, 2007, 07:19:37 AM
Quote from: superluser on September 28, 2007, 01:45:11 AM
Quote from: MT Hazard on September 27, 2007, 05:39:23 PMThere has been several images of her being loving and caring. If Dan is her first and only child he probably changed her outlook on life.
Loving family woman and violent, genocidal sociopath are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
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Wow, we both thought of the same thing!
Short answer - Yes
Long answer - No
Evil is as much of a choice as anything, but remember that evil is also objective. In war the enemy is always evil no matter which side your on.
Bad/strange example but it explains what I'm saying.
-Devoted Christians who believe one thing could fight Devoted Christians that believe another in a bloody war. Both sides would call the other side evil because it is how wars are fought.
-In the war between good and evil the Devil himself could be rooting for the side of good. (saw Reaper recently, that's why I said that)
Good and evil are objective. Literally speaking one man's good is another man's evil. Laws and rules, made by individuals, help define good and evil for everyone.
The only reasons 'D' is on my redemption list is because she's a devoted wife and a good mother.
How many mothers teach their children how to fight?
Quote from: Wussycat on September 27, 2007, 02:56:40 AM
Is she evil or not?
Thus far, Destania's moral code is ambiguous at best, especially after Fi's testimony of her past history, where she volunteered the idea of using children for her torture class. There was even some outcries after everyone realized she was planning genocide for the Dragon race. It's obvious that she cares for her family, but there are probably still habitually "evil" tendencies which Destania hasn't discarded, even with her "new" life. Though one of my speculations is that Destiania once held a callous disregard for life which allowed her to teach her torture classes without qualms, but her attitude changed once she actually
created life. Or partially.
So my answer to the question is a tentative "sort of." As in she may be sympathetic and loving towards her family, but she may harbor a more ruthless attitude towards others. Undoubtedly, she was "evil" in the past, but we still have no idea if she was particularly happy about the idea of using children as test subjects for her class and was only insisting upon the idea because she felt it was necessary, so I feel I shouldn't come to any conclusions and make myself look like more of an ass than this already overly long-winded post is.
Hope that offers a bit of perspective, although other people have been giving their contributions as well. I can't speak for Amber, though (HECK no!), so this is purely speculative.
~Keaton the Black Jackal
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on September 28, 2007, 08:22:00 AM
Undoubtedly, she was "evil" in the past, but we still have no idea if she was particularly happy about the idea of using children as test subjects for her class and was only insisting upon the idea because she felt it was necessary
"Well to be fair. Odds are Destania would have wanted to consume the kids/infants souls as well. Waste not, want not. :3"
(Ref: http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=3297.msg142336#msg142336 )
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on September 28, 2007, 08:22:00 AM
So my answer to the question is a tentative "sort of." As in she may be sympathetic and loving towards her family, but she may harbor a more ruthless attitude towards others. Undoubtedly, she was "evil" in the past, but we still have no idea if she was particularly happy about the idea of using children as test subjects for her class and was only insisting upon the idea because she felt it was necessary, so I feel I shouldn't come to any conclusions and make myself look like more of an ass than this already overly long-winded post is.
Long-winded? heeheehee.
We have Fi's description of nigh-on all-out war between Fa'Lina and Destania over the use of children. I've found people tend to find it difficult to argue strongly for something that they don't feel strongly about themselves - particularly if they don't favour it. Fi's description ("I remember the throw down her and Fa'Lina had when Destania wanted to use children and infants for her torture class") seems to suggest, to me at least, that Destania felt strongly that one -should- use them, and Fa'Lina didn't. In which case, if Destania -hadn't- felt strongly about it, surely she wouldn't have had such a big fight over it?
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 28, 2007, 08:28:00 AM
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on September 28, 2007, 08:22:00 AM
Undoubtedly, she was "evil" in the past, but we still have no idea if she was particularly happy about the idea of using children as test subjects for her class and was only insisting upon the idea because she felt it was necessary
"Well to be fair. Odds are Destania would have wanted to consume the kids/infants souls as well. Waste not, want not. :3"
(Ref: http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=3297.msg142336#msg142336 )
Oh, well that's pretty despicable. Yeah, okay, she was undoubtedly evil in the past.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCornaWe have Fi's description of nigh-on all-out war between Fa'Lina and Destania over the use of children. I've found people tend to find it difficult to argue strongly for something that they don't feel strongly about themselves - particularly if they don't favour it. Fi's description ("I remember the throw down her and Fa'Lina had when Destania wanted to use children and infants for her torture class") seems to suggest, to me at least, that Destania felt strongly that one -should- use them, and Fa'Lina didn't. In which case, if Destania -hadn't- felt strongly about it, surely she wouldn't have had such a big fight over it?
I'll have to agree with you there, and I had pondered the same thing. Destania was probably very adamant about her teaching methods, as unscrupulous as they were.
~Keaton the Black Jackal
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on September 28, 2007, 08:54:18 AM
Oh, well that's pretty despicable. Yeah, okay, she was undoubtedly evil in the past.
It might be an idea to read further down that thread if you missed it, not least because your name cropped up in the discussion of soul-eating...
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 28, 2007, 09:08:40 AM
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on September 28, 2007, 08:54:18 AM
Oh, well that's pretty despicable. Yeah, okay, she was undoubtedly evil in the past.
It might be an idea to read further down that thread if you missed it, not least because your name cropped up in the discussion of soul-eating...
By jove, it did! I'm strangely flattered, even if my character coming up in a discussion about who's comfortable with soul-eating and enjoying it isn't quite something to be proud of >:3 Maybe I'm just weird like that.
Correction: I
am weird like that. Proud of it, too. :3
~Keaton the Black Jackal
Ok, playing devil's advocate again.
a) Destinia has always showed signs of caring, even back when she was in SAIA. I'll make note of http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_713.php in which she mentioned Abel as a vested student.
b) We may not agree with her values, but there are cubi which does. Example: Aaryanna, http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_294.php
c) She did go through a drastic change during transistion. Drastic enough to be termed a new life. http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_299.php
d) Her clan has a natural affinity for pain. http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_528.php
d) Most importantly, a life lesson by Abel: http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_658.php
I'd say that she probably suffered from a lack of perspective which was likely ingrained by her own clan morals. If a person doesn't know what they're doing is wrong, can they be faulted for it?
Quote from: Psaakyrn on September 28, 2007, 09:54:41 AM
I'd say that she probably suffered from a lack of perspective which was likely ingrained by her own clan morals. If a person doesn't know what they're doing is wrong, can they be faulted for it?
Well the interesting thing is that 'Cubi
should know that what they are doing is nasty because they are empaths. About the only explanation I can think of is that when they perceive emotions they are getting them in the abstract, i.e. a particular mental pattern that your own experience and training tells you corresponds to pain, anger or whatever.
If they actually shared the pain they were causing it is doubtful whether they would have the outlook which they do.
Is she evil? Yes. No. Both. Neither. It's up to you, really, to define what evil is and see if she fits the description. I think that's the most definitive answer you're going to get. ;)
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 28, 2007, 10:01:21 AM
Quote from: Psaakyrn on September 28, 2007, 09:54:41 AM
I'd say that she probably suffered from a lack of perspective which was likely ingrained by her own clan morals. If a person doesn't know what they're doing is wrong, can they be faulted for it?
Well the interesting thing is that 'Cubi should know that what they are doing is nasty because they are empaths. About the only explanation I can think of is that when they perceive emotions they are getting them in the abstract, i.e. a particular mental pattern that your own experience and training tells you corresponds to pain, anger or whatever.
If they actually shared the pain they were causing it is doubtful whether they would have the outlook which they do.
Just because they're empaths doesn't mean that they know what they're doing is wrong, only that what they're doing doesn't match the beliefs of the people they're hurting. If they're backed by other cubi who believes what is being done is right, you have a majority vote otherwise.
Also, her clan feeds on pain, so sharing the pain may not have the right effect you're looking for eitherway. Example: Wildy beating up Azlan to heal Dan. Given that pain's sufficient to rouse the nearly dead, they may even have "hospitals" where beings are tortured to heal clanmates.
Quote from: Psaakyrn on September 28, 2007, 10:11:29 AM
Just because they're empaths doesn't mean that they know what they're doing is wrong
I'm not sure about that. If you actually experience the agony which you're inflicting on someone else, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't want to keep doing it. However, it's likely that what you would experience isn't the same as what they're experiencing... indeed, that could feed the speculative notion that "Beings don't have real feelings".
QuoteGiven that pain's sufficient to rouse the nearly dead, they may even have "hospitals" where beings are tortured to heal clanmates.
Oooh. I can see Keaton wanting to borrow that idea for her psycho clan :P
Quote from: Madmann135 on September 28, 2007, 08:14:22 AM-In the war between good and evil the Devil himself could be rooting for the side of good. (saw Reaper recently, that's why I said that)
Reminds me of a book series I once read called "Incarnations of Immortality"where the "newest Incarnation of the Devil" Was actually working to get a new incarnation of god put into place so that god would actually DO something in order to start winning the "War of good and Evil"
His whole plan was to get good to win, by doing evil. Is he didn't do evil when the next guy came and took the job of "Devil's incarnation" he would go to hell for doing a bad job (( But he would go to heaven if he did a "Good" job of being evil.. It was a strange series.... Hah ))
Quote from: Psaakyrn on September 28, 2007, 09:54:41 AM
Ok, playing devil's advocate again.
a) Destinia has always showed signs of caring, even back when she was in SAIA. I'll make note of http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_713.php in which she mentioned Abel as a vested student.
Having a "vested interest" in Abel does in no way imply that she's not evil. It just means she was watching Abel. For all you know, she might have had a vested interest because she was training Abel to be evil, and to be able to hide it.
Quote from: Psaakyrn on September 28, 2007, 09:54:41 AM
b) We may not agree with her values, but there are cubi which does. Example: Aaryanna, http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_294.php
"A true Creature of beauty and grace" doesn't say anything about evil or goodness. It just says beautiful and graceful. Just to Devil's Advocate you in return ;-]
Quote from: Psaakyrn on September 28, 2007, 09:54:41 AM
c) She did go through a drastic change during transistion. Drastic enough to be termed a new life. http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_299.php
... which would imply that she was different beforehand. I believe that was my point. ;-]
Quote from: Psaakyrn on September 28, 2007, 09:54:41 AM
d) Her clan has a natural affinity for pain. http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_528.php
d) Most importantly, a life lesson by Abel: http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_658.php
So Cubi are generally jerks. So Destania was probably, by implication, a jerk. And? That's still nothing about good or evil, that's just petty.
Quote from: Psaakyrn on September 28, 2007, 09:54:41 AM
I'd say that she probably suffered from a lack of perspective which was likely ingrained by her own clan morals. If a person doesn't know what they're doing is wrong, can they be faulted for it?
Is empathy supposed to enable you to figure out that people are hurt by your actions, or not?
Edit:
Whoops, forgot this section:
Yes, Aurawyn, the Incarnations of Immortality were a bit strange. Being written over the course of, IIRC, 15 years didn't help. But then, Piers Anthony kinda slipped a bit in my estimation when he went into the later Xanth novels (how many is he up to now? 35? 40? after 10 or so he ran out of ideas, IMO...)
hmmmm any thoughts on maybe this wasnt a ploy....and it just naturally happens when u meet someone and have a baby with them.......
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_568.php
Quote from: Madmann135 on September 28, 2007, 08:14:22 AM
Short answer - Yes
Long answer - No
Evil is as much of a choice as anything, but remember that evil is also objective. In war the enemy is always evil no matter which side your on.
Bad/strange example but it explains what I'm saying.
-Devoted Christians who believe one thing could fight Devoted Christians that believe another in a bloody war. Both sides would call the other side evil because it is how wars are fought.
-In the war between good and evil the Devil himself could be rooting for the side of good. (saw Reaper recently, that's why I said that)
Good and evil are objective. Literally speaking one man's good is another man's evil. Laws and rules, made by individuals, help define good and evil for everyone.
The only reasons 'D' is on my redemption list is because she's a devoted wife and a good mother.
How many mothers teach their children how to fight?
Uh... are you sure "
subjective" isn't the word you want?
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 28, 2007, 10:21:00 AM
QuoteGiven that pain's sufficient to rouse the nearly dead, they may even have "hospitals" where beings are tortured to heal clanmates.
Oooh. I can see Keaton wanting to borrow that idea for her psycho clan :P
Although (according to the wiki) Jyraneth Clan's favourite snacks tend to be suffering and humiliation. So maybe their hospitals had a staff of trained hecklers to torment their Being "donors"... (http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/frech/e020.gif)
Quote from: Wussycat on September 27, 2007, 02:56:40 AM
Is she evil or not?
She's evil. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_811.php)
But not the most evil. (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_660.php)
With regards,
Ted
Quote from: Ted Schiller on September 28, 2007, 02:25:08 PM
She's evil. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_811.php)
But not the most evil. (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_660.php)
...According to Abel.
I note that Abel carefully didn't answer about what his parents were like.
Not that I blame him, but after 350 years or so, you'd think he'd at least get some sort of distance to the relationship... ;-]
Ok, and 1 more link for good measure..
http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_298.php
"You shouldn't be so kind. You know by my laws it's my job to destroy you now..."
1) What was the purpose of this speech to begin with?
2) Why does she imply that he would know her laws?
3) What laws is she talking about anyway?
I'm assuming that:
a) The laws are from her clan. It's unlikely to be cubi, creature, or locational laws. (given that there are pacifist cubi)
b) The fact that she assumes her clan laws are known either means that her clan is distinctively well known, or she's assuming that her clan laws are THE cubi laws.
c) Her assuming that her clan laws are the cubi laws would imply ignorance/lack of knowledge.
Granted the 2 strips of Destinia and Edward's meeting is one of the more confusing ones so I'll not look too much into them...
x) Then again, we know that her clan are violently opposed to dragons... could "her laws" be in some way related to that? *tinfoil!*
Quote from: Psaakyrn on September 28, 2007, 06:03:58 PM
I'm assuming that:
a) The laws are from her clan. It's unlikely to be cubi, creature, or locational laws. (given that there are pacifist cubi)
...and that there are about 30'000 'Cubi spread out all over the planet. No way are you going to be able to enforce them, so IMHO it's got to be a Clan-specific thing. Why she assumes that Ed would know about it is curious, although Cyra Clan is described as 'high and powerful' in Dan's cast page. It's also interesting that the others know what she is. 'Cubi are either more well-known in the Lost Lake region, or they've become more widely-known in the 400 years since Abel's birth.
Wild speculation: Lost Lake may be physically close to SAIA since Dee ended up there, and it didn't take too long for Mab's rescue party to walk there (time/space warping notwithstanding).
If so, Lost Lake would see a relatively steady trickle of SAIA graduates passing through it.
I mentioned this on another forum thread, but it seems more applicable to put it here. I was wondering if the rule was that cubi had to kill beings when they broke up the relationship. After all Aaryanna (http://aary-kitty.livejournal.com) had said that killing the being was the normal way to break off the relationship. Perhaps, Aniz's clan had a similar rule, and he's trying to find some way to obey the law without killing May.
You have to remember that Edward was an adventurer and may have had contacts with cubi before. As an adventurer, he's more likely to know about her clan than the average inn-keeper would be.
There are some other possibilities that come to mind, but I would probably be accused of having hallucinations if I mentioned them here.
Quote from: Psaakyrn on September 28, 2007, 06:03:58 PM
"You shouldn't be so kind. You know by my laws it's my job to destroy you now..."
1) What was the purpose of this speech to begin with?
2) Why does she imply that he would know her laws?
Perhaps it's just a polite way of letting you know that these are rules that you might know, you might not, but I'll presume you do because it's politer, and I get to mention them now so you know which rules I'm referring to...
A social nicety, as it were?
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 28, 2007, 06:28:33 PM
Perhaps it's just a polite way of letting you know that these are rules that you might know, you might not, but I'll presume you do because it's politer, and I get to mention them now so you know which rules I'm referring to...
She was going to eat him, and anyway he's only a Being. Why bother?
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 28, 2007, 06:37:53 PM
She was going to eat him, and anyway he's only a Being. Why bother?
Keep in practice, in order to avoid being caught by townspeople...
... well, except when she -wants- to be caught...
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 28, 2007, 06:37:53 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 28, 2007, 06:28:33 PM
Perhaps it's just a polite way of letting you know that these are rules that you might know, you might not, but I'll presume you do because it's politer, and I get to mention them now so you know which rules I'm referring to...
She was going to eat him, and anyway he's only a Being. Why bother?
"SAIA is generally the only place where the various clans(some of which have long-standing grudges) will gather on neutral terms in the pursuit of education. Employing various classes and cultures, the Cubi race evolved rapidly from a dangerous threat to dreams and beings...to an even greater threat to dreams and beings. But at least its an attractive cultured well-dressed threat."
It's not about the 2nd part. It's the first line: Why does she imply that Edward shouldn't be kind?
That's a bit more tricky.
It'd certainly be safer for him if he wasn't, you'd think. Obviously, in hindsight, he worked out much better for being kind, but in the short term, he risked serious pain, and death - and worse - for nothing more than his principles.
Many folk would think he was an idiot for that. Alexsi certainly appears to... but then, being family, she has a certain right ;-]
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 28, 2007, 07:02:43 PM
That's a bit more tricky.
It'd certainly be safer for him if he wasn't, you'd think. Obviously, in hindsight, he worked out much better for being kind, but in the short term, he risked serious pain, and death - and worse - for nothing more than his principles.
Many folk would think he was an idiot for that. Alexsi certainly appears to... but then, being family, she has a certain right ;-]
Your arguement is valid for Edward, for not for Destinia. What benifit does Destinia gain from saying that, unless she actually cared?
Hmm... one other point. Why did Destinia even think she could find shelter at an inn, and unmorphed? Unless she actually knew/met Edward beforehand, or she's REALLY out of touch with the outside world...
Also one other thought: considering that cubi can be flooded by an emotional overload, could the same have happened to Destinia when she "did her worst"? I'm thinking of her using a variant of "Mind Reading", seeing that it's nasty enough to be hidden off by Fa'lina, and coupled with Edward's suicidal tendencies, which I'm guessing is from the loss of his first wife.
Shes just like any cubi I know..Crazy...Now who argues with this theory..now get the loud life changing shiney toy from your dads underware drawer..Not that one...The one with a handle and a trigger..Put it to your temple pull the trigger and become an hero..If you if you are still alive to read this..You have missed or failed miserably
Quote from: Caswin on September 28, 2007, 12:02:51 PM
Quote from: Madmann135 on September 28, 2007, 08:14:22 AM
Short answer - Yes
Long answer - No
Evil is as much of a choice as anything, but remember that evil is also objective. In war the enemy is always evil no matter which side your on.
Bad/strange example but it explains what I'm saying.
-Devoted Christians who believe one thing could fight Devoted Christians that believe another in a bloody war. Both sides would call the other side evil because it is how wars are fought.
-In the war between good and evil the Devil himself could be rooting for the side of good. (saw Reaper recently, that's why I said that)
Good and evil are objective. Literally speaking one man's good is another man's evil. Laws and rules, made by individuals, help define good and evil for everyone.
The only reasons 'D' is on my redemption list is because she's a devoted wife and a good mother.
How many mothers teach their children how to fight?
Uh... are you sure "subjective" isn't the word you want?
Brain was at 50% power. I believe are fixing my post. Brain won't go past 60% power unfortunately.
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 28, 2007, 06:13:25 PM
Wild speculation: Lost Lake may be physically close to SAIA since Dee ended up there, and it didn't take too long for Mab's rescue party to walk there (time/space warping notwithstanding).
If so, Lost Lake would see a relatively steady trickle of SAIA graduates passing through it.
But if that were the case wouldn't someone likely have seen Dee, and assumeing they knew she was "missing" turned around and reported to Fa'lina, her where abouts?
Quote from: Aurawyn on September 28, 2007, 09:55:10 PM
But if that were the case wouldn't someone likely have seen Dee, and assumeing they knew she was "missing" turned around and reported to Fa'lina, her where abouts?
Only if the someone can get back into SAIA. Remember, apart from the backdoor through the sewers, the place is magically protected. Either way, Fa'Lina knew precisely what had happened to Dee by the time Aary broke into SAIA. There may also have been a long gap between Dee leaving and finding herself at Lost Lake, depending on whether she began the original mission and how far she got with it.
After reading all of this, I am suddenly imaginging that Destiana's motives in all of this are much mroe petty...
1: Edward is friends with dragons, assume they game together (poker night? D&D?)
2: Destiana is jealous of Edward spending time with his friends, and sets out to destroy them
3: The dragons, for whatever reason, which probably seemed good at the time, kidnap Edward and put him in suspended animation to keep off Destiana/protect him
(4: ? 5: profit!)
Quote from: Reese Tora on September 29, 2007, 05:30:00 PM
After reading all of this, I am suddenly imaginging that Destiana's motives in all of this are much mroe petty...
1: Edward is friends with dragons, assume they game together (poker night? D&D?)
2: Destiana is jealous of Edward spending time with his friends, and sets out to destroy them
3: The dragons, for whatever reason, which probably seemed good at the time, kidnap Edward and put him in suspended animation to keep off Destiana/protect him
(4: ? 5: profit!)
Where are you getting #1 from? As far as I know, the only connection Edward has to dragons is through Destiana.
Quote from: AndersW on September 29, 2007, 05:45:26 PMWhere are you getting #1 from? As far as I know, the only connection Edward has to dragons is through Destiana.
From reading through this thread, actually. (one off hand post, I forget which one, in the first page)
That and SOs vs gaming sort of came up last night at D&D...
Quote from: Psaakyrn on September 28, 2007, 08:19:41 PM
(snip)
Hmm... one other point. Why did Destinia even think she could find shelter at an inn, and unmorphed? Unless she actually knew/met Edward beforehand, or she's REALLY out of touch with the outside world... (snip)
The answer is here.
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_726.php
She was looking for friends. Biggs may be in the Twink Territories, but Wildy lives near the Lost Lake Inn. The Lost Lake area was probably where Biggs and Wildy's family lived.
With regards,
Ted
If the cubi feed on pain and misery, would that mean that the pained individual would feel better because the pain has been taken away.
Quote from: Naldru on September 29, 2007, 07:48:45 PM
If the cubi feed on pain and misery, would that mean that the pained individual would feel better because the pain has been taken away.
'Cubi feed on passively-radiated emotions. Amber once said it is possible to forcibly eat them, but doing that generally takes more energy than you get from it, so it is only really useful for the side-effect of removing it.
Quote from: Reese Tora on September 29, 2007, 06:08:32 PM
Quote from: AndersW on September 29, 2007, 05:45:26 PMWhere are you getting #1 from? As far as I know, the only connection Edward has to dragons is through Destiana.
From reading through this thread, actually. (one off hand post, I forget which one, in the first page)
That and SOs vs gaming sort of came up last night at D&D...
I can't see where you would get that idea from this thread. I have seen the idea before and seen it shot to pieces every time. If you could find some evidence to support your idea I will be waiting here with my shotgun. :mowwink
Quote from: AndersW on September 30, 2007, 11:44:33 AM
Quote from: Reese Tora on September 29, 2007, 06:08:32 PM
Quote from: AndersW on September 29, 2007, 05:45:26 PMWhere are you getting #1 from? As far as I know, the only connection Edward has to dragons is through Destiana.
From reading through this thread, actually. (one off hand post, I forget which one, in the first page)
That and SOs vs gaming sort of came up last night at D&D...
I can't see where you would get that idea from this thread. I have seen the idea before and seen it shot to pieces every time. If you could find some evidence to support your idea I will be waiting here with my shotgun. :mowwink
Hope so..But I got a steel bat just in case you run out of ammo
Quote from: Psaakyrn on September 28, 2007, 08:19:41 PMYour arguement is valid for Edward, for not for Destinia. What benifit does Destinia gain from saying that, unless she actually cared?
She could be trying to figure out if he has ulterior motives.
Of course, Edward could lie, but she could tell what his emotions were and figure that out pretty quickly.
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 29, 2007, 05:38:43 AMEither way, Fa'Lina knew precisely what had happened to Dee by the time Aary broke into SAIA.
How do we know this?
Quote from: superluser on October 01, 2007, 12:19:26 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 29, 2007, 05:38:43 AMEither way, Fa'Lina knew precisely what had happened to Dee by the time Aary broke into SAIA.
How do we know this?
Because she says so in 567. Thinking about it, I suppose Aary
could have told her, but IMHO it's a bit more likely Dee returned to resign and pick up a few heirlooms like the Cyra-clan bed.
Dee is like Demona, they both are hot, they both are dangerous and they both hate a particular species. Destania has redeeming qualities that any mother can understand.
Quote from: Madmann135 on October 01, 2007, 07:27:09 AM
Dee is like Demona, they both are hot, they both are dangerous and they both hate a particular species. Destania has redeeming qualities that any mother can understand.
Yea.. but Dee's not trying to destory a race that the last of her kind are trying to protect, thus making the rest of her kind ( And her own Daughter ) her enemy too!
Quote from: Tapewolf on October 01, 2007, 04:04:42 AMBecause she says so in 567. Thinking about it, I suppose Aary could have told her
That's what I figure. If not that, then I'm a little bit lost.
Aary was replacing Dee. If they knew that she had resigned, they would certainly have replaced her sometime in those 25 (possibly more?) years, and Aary would be replacing Dee's replacement.
Quote from: superluser on October 02, 2007, 01:42:35 AM
Aary was replacing Dee. If they knew that she had resigned, they would certainly have replaced her sometime in those 25 (possibly more?) years, and Aary would be replacing Dee's replacement.
That should have happened anyway, since they must have had someone to cover her while she was doing the mission and Aary was still an undergrad. And when Aary left instead of applying for the position...
I believe the answer is simpler then what people make it out to be.
Think back to when the Oracles that Destina died at Dan's hands.
How do I interpret this? Well something happened between her and Dan's dad that began changing her. I'm certain of that much. I think Dan's birth completed that change thus her "death"
There is a whole lot more to it but she WAS most definately evil, probably from a deep racism.
Why did she seek help at the inn untransformed... well, that's complicated... perhaps it involves something that made it hard or impossible for her to transform... more then likely whatever she sought help against, whether it be injuries or otherwise. I don't exactly see Cubi transformations being completely effortless.
So while I believe she most definately WAS evil, something happened, it's just a matter of what. I'm sure Amber will get to that eventually though. Too big and juicy of a piece of information to not reveal.
Quote from: Tapewolf on October 02, 2007, 04:22:09 AM
Quote from: superluser on October 02, 2007, 01:42:35 AM
Aary was replacing Dee. If they knew that she had resigned, they would certainly have replaced her sometime in those 25 (possibly more?) years, and Aary would be replacing Dee's replacement.
That should have happened anyway, since they must have had someone to cover her while she was doing the mission and Aary was still an undergrad. And when Aary left instead of applying for the position...
Simple.. A Sub. but the sub wasn't good enough to replace Dee so Fa'lina choose Aary..
Quote from: Aurawyn on October 02, 2007, 10:06:14 AM
Simple.. A Sub. but the sub wasn't good enough to replace Dee so Fa'lina choose Aary..
Either that or the Sub was a temp. After all, what's 25 years to a Cubi? Aniz didn't seem to think much of it...
Quote from: Tapewolf on October 02, 2007, 04:22:09 AMQuote from: superluser on October 02, 2007, 01:42:35 AMAary was replacing Dee. If they knew that she had resigned, they would certainly have replaced her sometime in those 25 (possibly more?) years, and Aary would be replacing Dee's replacement.
That should have happened anyway, since they must have had someone to cover her while she was doing the mission and Aary was still an undergrad. And when Aary left instead of applying for the position...
As someone else pointed out, that was probably an interim professor. I'm sure that Fa'Lina could have found another permanent replacement in that time. Classes seem to be structured in years (at the longest), and 25 classes is a lot to not have a professor in such an important department.
On the other hand, she could have had some reason to use Aary, and left it open for all that time.
So I'm not sure if Fa'Lina did know what happened to Dee, but I know that I don't know that.
Quote from: superluser on October 02, 2007, 12:13:58 PM
Classes seem to be structured in years (at the longest),
Really? Where was that listed, I think I missed it.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on October 02, 2007, 12:46:35 PMQuote from: superluser on October 02, 2007, 12:13:58 PMClasses seem to be structured in years (at the longest),
Really? Where was that listed, I think I missed it.
295 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_295.php) shows Aary referring to her final year, which suggests that classes aren't longer than a year.
It's hardly conclusive, but I have a hard time imagining multiyear semesters.
it's entirely possible that a cubi's "last year" could be synonymous to the human "waiting for them to mail me my #$@@ diploma!" This, as the college grads know, can take anywhere from a week to a decade.
Maybe that class was simply... well... cancelled until they found someone good enough for the job. That or perhaps the evil poodle of doom subbed for it, or perhaps the doctor.