Aniz will get what is coming to him some day. I have to believe that.
Now he's threatening us!
Using the severed arm of an opponent as a projectile. Disgraceful.
Quote from: AndersW on September 26, 2007, 01:23:15 AM
Aniz will get what is coming to him some day. I have to believe that.
One hopes. Then again, he could disappear completely. You never know.
Of course, I doubt he would disappear -completely-, now...
This seems to be the Scorched Earth plan.
Scorched Earth plans don't tend to work out very well, unless you're going for a Pyrrhic victory.
Looks like Aniz IS seriously injured after all. >:3
Seems he just might be feeling the effects of a slow acting venom.
Just because it is slow doesn't mean it isn't serious, the bite of many very deadly snakes takes a few minutes to really kick in.
Quote from: Cogidubnus on September 26, 2007, 01:27:58 AM
Using the severed arm of an opponent as a projectile. Disgraceful.
Quite. It's far more effective to hold onto it and use it as a sap to bludgeon people with.
It is best when a Wookie uses a whole Droid as a club.
I can't wait for Aniz to get his. ;.;
*brain clicks like a gun trigger when sees the carnage*
Hatred of Aniz ... rising!
Seriously, throwing Hennya's ARM at her for screaming ... that's just ... I'm doing the Darth Morrison (http://azraellewormser.deviantart.com/art/Sketch-Darth-Morrison-57553259) move on him! GRRRRR....
Quote from: Azraelle on September 26, 2007, 02:58:08 AMSeriously, throwing Hennya's ARM at her for screaming
Could be worse, he could sing a love song about the hand (http://members.aol.com/quentncree/lehrer/holdhand.htm)...
hm... well I suppose someone could get the medallion and shove it down Aniz' throat to increase the chance of survival of May and Abel.
Aniz is awesome.
Such a pity he's going to die. ):
...Or will he?
dun Dun DUN!
Quote from: King Of Hearts on September 26, 2007, 03:59:20 AM
...Or will he?
dun Dun DUN!
Of course he will, feel all that hate flowing from the forums.
...Actually, you're right, he'll live for ages! :U
Quote from: Mwa on September 26, 2007, 04:01:03 AM
Quote from: King Of Hearts on September 26, 2007, 03:59:20 AM
...Or will he?
dun Dun DUN!
Of course he will, feel all that hate flowing from the forums.
...Actually, you're right, he'll live for ages! :U
Kinda makes me wonder stealth was a bad idea too... *strokes chin*
I still think Edward gets him a few centuries later. We'll have to see, though...
Quote from: Cogidubnus on September 26, 2007, 01:27:58 AM
Using the severed arm of an opponent as a projectile. Disgraceful.
You had noticed that? I didn't! Thank you for pointing that out, now the page is much more shocking to me.
Plus, I can use it for inspiration. *very evil* >:3 Once the initial shock and disgust fades, that is.
Wow, Aniz, you enormous douche. I may love ya as a character, but I really, really hope that your ass gets kicked in every possible dimension. His dialogue is fantastic, though, and it shows us just how much he
really thinks of May, or of Beings in general. I think this sort of eliminates the "he really does care for May" theory.
~Keaton the Black Jackal
I always found the double standard amusing.
It's a horrible thing to beat people with someone else's arm.
But when you start beating them over the head with your OWN severed arm it's hilarious for some reason?!
Though, considering his previous outburst, he is keeping his cool quite well. He's probably speaking to Abel/speaking to himself (since Abel is not quite in a state to be listening).
Still, I don't see what his backup plan is, other than threats so far.
And on the severed arm, it's kind of like theft: it's not nearely as bad if you're using a still-attached arm to beat someone up..
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on September 26, 2007, 04:33:34 AM
Quote from: Cogidubnus on September 26, 2007, 01:27:58 AM
Using the severed arm of an opponent as a projectile. Disgraceful.
You had noticed that? I didn't! Thank you for pointing that out, now the page is much more shocking to me.
Plus, I can use it for inspiration. *very evil* >:3 Once the initial shock and disgust fades, that is.
Wow, Aniz, you enormous douche. I may love ya as a character, but I really, really hope that your ass gets kicked in every possible dimension. His dialogue is fantastic, though, and it shows us just how much he really thinks of May, or of Beings in general. I think this sort of eliminates the "he really does care for May" theory.
~Keaton the Black Jackal
Yes but a masterful of being a douche....And your ideas..Me must not ask. For I know where your going with this.
I know I left my chainsaw somewhere around here...
Aniz played this moment like a dumb fool, I really hope that this fool dies in the end.
All these people wishing Aniz death! :dface
I just wanna see what happens. :3
I wonder if this is leading up to May losing her marbles.
Quote from: Wussycat on September 26, 2007, 07:02:07 AM
I wonder if this leading up to May losing her marbles.
I suspect Aniz is about to take Abel (see the last pane) and we'll never see anything of May again, unless Fa'Lina decides to inform Abel when she dies... hopefully some years later.
Heheheh.
I don't think I've ever seen a character go from having such a high coolness factor to being a total wuss so quickly.
For some reason, I think Aniz is just making empty threats. He just wants to scare May to the point where she'll stop screaming and curl into the fetal position for awhile.
Quote from: Pagan on September 26, 2007, 08:33:04 AM
For some reason, I think Aniz is just making empty threats. He just wants to scare May to the point where she'll stop screaming and curl into the fetal position for awhile.
This still does not help the obvious:
1) Abel is still watching (whether he wants to or not)
2) His 'father' just KILLED HIS CHILDHOOD FRIEND right in front of him,
3) He discovers that Hennya was supposed to be getting married (ups the OMG factor)
4) He knows May is just getting abused at this point.
Call it what you will, but that's pretty damn dark, by Mab's standards or otherwise.
Assuming that "As for you" remark isn't directed at a freshly-arrived Fa'Lina, reformed Hennya, or some other uptick, this is the sort of stuff suicide notes and year-long revenges are made of. Something has to counter the basket-case-attitude that Abel's going to pick up from this.
Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on September 26, 2007, 08:49:40 AM
Assuming that "As for you" remark isn't directed at a freshly-arrived Fa'Lina
I think saying "As for you" to Fa'Lina would be a good way to get de-souled.
QuoteSomething has to counter the basket-case-attitude that Abel's going to pick up from this.
50 years in SAIA might do the trick. I imagine 'Cubi would make quite good psychiatrists.
"As for you, my dear son Abel, do you want a cookie?" :)
I think I have figured it out: Aniz lives from the anger of enraged readers. It is an emotion that is hard to set up, but oh so delicious when you can pull it off.
*Charline yawns* It's quite simple really. Amber has been totally taken over by "Goth Mab". Soon the comic will end up resembling Evangelion, with incestual lusts and death and insanity everywhere. Jyrras' mecha gryphons will be the clones of the ancient gods and be piloted by Abel, who will then discover that Grypho Unit 01 has been given the spirit of his mother by the evil Doctor Ink, whose working for the Creature Council, whose true purpose is to bring about Being Instrumentality... so they get all the souls into one place for easy eating! >:3
Throwing a disembodied arm at someone to scare them .. coool!
And I'm glad i'm not the only one who thought Aniz was pointing outside the comic at us in that last pannel *gulp*.
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 26, 2007, 08:57:05 AM
QuoteSomething has to counter the basket-case-attitude that Abel's going to pick up from this.
50 years in SAIA might do the trick. I imagine 'Cubi would make quite good psychiatrists.
Yeah. Messafint (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_545.php) would be my choice in psychiatrists, too. No, really... ;-]
Slightly more seriously, it occurs to me that Aniz might be an unmitigated bastard - but he's playing -precisely- by accepted Cubi rules; any psychiatric work done on Abel at SAIA is likely to lead in this direction, rather than towards the comparatively friendly Abel we see in DMFA. Honestly, I'm not sure Fa'Lina (for example) would have anything to object to about Aniz' behaviour. And if that's all expected and normal - I'm not sure how many Cubi are going to understand quite why he's so freaked about it all...
Ink, for example, could take some truly -nasty- steps in testing.
Which leads me to wonder precisely where Amber is going with this. However it works out, it should be interesting getting there...
Merciful christ, but Aniz really is a wonderful bastard.
Cid has put himself a whole level higher than beings...it's almost as if he see's himself as god. I'm surprised he was troubled that he killed anyone.
Woo. Back from a longass holiday and I see this.
Aniz F- rocks. :boogie
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 26, 2007, 11:26:13 AM
Honestly, I'm not sure Fa'Lina (for example) would have anything to object to about Aniz' behaviour.
If Abel was a Being, yeah. The fact is, Aniz has basically just driven his own 'Cubi son insane. I'm not sure I see that as being 'normal behaviour', even for a 'Cubi, and even if it is I doubt she'll be thrilled with being left to clean up the mess.
QuoteAnd if that's all expected and normal - I'm not sure how many Cubi are going to understand quite why he's so freaked about it all...
For many, indeed. However there are 'Cubi who primarily feed on pleasant things, and I can't really see them liking it. The Academy, however bloodthirsty it is in the main, is going to recognise that not all 'Cubi can handle negative emotions, especially the younger ones.
Quote from: Alondro on September 26, 2007, 09:46:42 AM
*Charline yawns* It's quite simple really. Amber has been totally taken over by "Goth Mab". Soon the comic will end up resembling Evangelion, with incestual lusts and death and insanity everywhere. Jyrras' mecha gryphons will be the clones of the ancient gods and be piloted by Abel, who will then discover that Grypho Unit 01 has been given the spirit of his mother by the evil Doctor Ink, whose working for the Creature Council, whose true purpose is to bring about Being Instrumentality... so they get all the souls into one place for easy eating! >:3
This post is full of win
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on September 26, 2007, 11:37:21 AM
Cid has put himself a whole level higher than beings...it's almost as if he see's himself as god. I'm surprised he was troubled that he killed anyone.
I think you mean Aniz
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 26, 2007, 12:26:09 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 26, 2007, 11:26:13 AM
Honestly, I'm not sure Fa'Lina (for example) would have anything to object to about Aniz' behaviour.
If Abel was a Being, yeah. The fact is, Aniz has basically just driven his own 'Cubi son insane. I'm not sure I see that as being 'normal behaviour', even for a 'Cubi, and even if it is I doubt she'll be thrilled with being left to clean up the mess.
Has he?
No, seriously, here; define "sane" for Cubi, bearing in mind Dan doesn't count, Destania appears to be suffering from a split personality of sorts, Aaryanna is, or was for much of her visible time, in love... So far as I can see, we still don't know what a "normal" state of mind for a Cubi is - none of the Cubi we've seen for any length of time have been stable or rational, or typical for Cubi. The former doesn't necessarily imply the latter, nor vice versa, but you take my point, I hope...
Sure, Aniz has done some nasty stuff, but... is this likely to leave Abel comatose, or simply pathological? If the latter, how does that differ from Fa'Lina's normal state of mind, taking, say, the rock incident, or the muffins? So far as I can tell, "pathological" is fairly normal for Cubi - heck, Keaton, whilst not canon, has managed to run up a reasonably self-consistent image of a totally crazy (by our standards) Cubi who'd fit into the described society reasonably well. Sure, she'd have some problems, but not as many as she might have trying to fit into the sort of society we have here in the West.
I can see Abel coming out of this either comatose, (in which case, no great loss, right?) or considering -everything- around him to be simply playthings, (which appears to be a fairly normal Cubi mindset) the equivalent of cardboard cutouts, no real feelings in any of them... To you or I, this is a seriously, badly wrong mindset, but Amber has repeatedly said that Cubi don't fit well into a modern mental landscape. (ok, maybe not in those words :-] )
I -don't- see either of these states being what a Cubi might term insane. I can see them being what a Being might, sure. And you can bet that Abel's mental landscape is going to be very different to what it was prior to all this, but even so.... I'm not so sure that Abel is irrecoverably set on the path to total inutility; particularly since what Aniz is looking for is Cubi family. All Abel has to be able to do is reproduce, for that... Sanity is optional, even what little the Cubi have.
Something I've thought about a bit. Not that much, and I'm probably waffling, in which case I apologise...
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 26, 2007, 12:26:09 PM
QuoteAnd if that's all expected and normal - I'm not sure how many Cubi are going to understand quite why he's so freaked about it all...
For many, indeed. However there are 'Cubi who primarily feed on pleasant things, and I can't really see them liking it. The Academy, however bloodthirsty it is in the main, is going to recognise that not all 'Cubi can handle negative emotions, especially the younger ones.
You have a point. Still... from what I understand, all Cubi are expected to at least be able to cope with the Home Ec class, in the abstract, if not actually being in the class...
Many more details are sure to come to light in time.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 26, 2007, 11:26:13 AM
And if that's all expected and normal - I'm not sure how many Cubi are going to understand quite why he's so freaked about it all...
Another way to consider this is in more abstract terms. For example: "I went to an old friend's funeral, then saw one of my childhood friends die and when I got home I found that my father had murdered my stepfather and then watched helplessly as he beat my mother to a pulp and decapitated my best friend right before my eyes..."
It's not 100% correct but it's close enough, and if you told that to another student at SAIA, they would assume the people involved were other 'Cubi. They should understand that.
Also, don't forget we have a number of 'Cubi entering the Academy who still think (to some degree) that they're Beings (see 602.2)...
Oh now you've gone and turned this into an essay :rolleyes
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 26, 2007, 01:45:36 PM
Has he?
375 years later he still has flashbacks, refuses to shapeshift, eats and sleeps like a Being and is scared of leaving the Academy . I think we can agree that's not the mark of a well-adjusted incubus.
QuoteI can see Abel coming out of this either comatose, (in which case, no great loss, right?) or considering -everything- around him to be simply playthings, (which appears to be a fairly normal Cubi mindset) the equivalent of cardboard cutouts, no real feelings in any of them... To you or I, this is a seriously, badly wrong mindset, but Amber has repeatedly said that Cubi don't fit well into a modern mental landscape. (ok, maybe not in those words :-] )
My money's on comatose. Whatever the 'normal' state of mind for an incubus is, and granted it is a very open definition of 'normal', I do not think that Abel is going to be sane enough to be usable student material for some time.
QuoteI'm not so sure that Abel is irrecoverably set on the path to total inutility; particularly since what Aniz is looking for is Cubi family. All Abel has to be able to do is reproduce, for that... Sanity is optional, even what little the Cubi have.
It's not permanent, we know that. But I think it's going to take them a long time to get him to a point where he can be taught.
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 26, 2007, 01:55:37 PM
Another way to consider this is in more abstract terms. For example: "I went to an old friend's funeral, then saw one of my childhood friends die and when I got home I found that my father had murdered my stepfather, beat my mother to a pulp and then he decapitated my best friend right before my eyes..."
"Go back for a Masters?" (http://www.quoteland.com/tellafriend/index.asp?QUOTE_ID=7366)
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 26, 2007, 01:55:37 PM
It's not 100% correct but it's close enough, and if you told that to another student at SAIA, they would assume the people involved were other 'Cubi. They should understand that.
You -do- have a point.
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 26, 2007, 01:55:37 PM
Oh now you've gone and turned this into an essay :rolleyes
My most sincere apologies, I'll go immolate myself immediately. ;-]
Sorry about that. I just waffle, and it goes on and on and on. Something of a hazard of talking to me, I fear. :-/
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 26, 2007, 01:55:37 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 26, 2007, 01:45:36 PM
Has he?
375 years later he still has flashbacks, refuses to shapeshift, eats and sleeps like a Being and is scared of leaving the Academy . I think we can agree that's not the mark of a well-adjusted incubus.
Not well-adjusted, sure. Insane? Not quite, IMHO. At least, not yet. ;-]
Also, the sleeping thing is a bit of a misnomer - "not have to" and "have not to" are two different things, and it's still unclear how often your average Cubi sleeps, if at all. Particularly outside SAIA, where the emotional atmosphere is less intense; need I link to Abel saying the equivalent of "At SAIA, nobody needs to sleep" in strip 540? ;-]
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 26, 2007, 01:55:37 PM
My money's on comatose. Whatever the 'normal' state of mind for an incubus is, and granted it is a very open definition of 'normal', I do not think that Abel is going to be sane enough to be usable student material for some time.
Given Home Ec, I'm wondering how sane you really have to be to be usable as a student. I think Sid did nicely with Kitzi in his story, in chapter 8 with Ink; again, not canon, but nicely run, nonetheless. I -think- Ink would be able to use you, no matter how crazy you were.
Now, if you're asking if Abel would -enjoy- it... I think the comments in strip 527, panel 2 highlight that... ;-]
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 26, 2007, 01:55:37 PM
It's not permanent, we know that. But I think it's going to take them a long time to get him to a point where he can be taught.
*shrug* they've got a few years to mess about with. Even so, you -do- have a point . (The same one again, probably)
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 26, 2007, 02:22:10 PM
Not well-adjusted, sure. Insane? Not quite, IMHO. At least, not yet. ;-]
Personally I think that's the best they could do.
Let's look at it like this. Dan, a seasoned warrior who has slain a number of demons, was told that he was prime material for an adventurer-slayer. Granted there were other factors at work there, but that was enough to put him into a catatonic state. Abel has just been through something far more horrific than discovering that he is an immortal 'monster' (actually he has done that too). If he is capable of listening by the time he's got to SAIA, let alone speaking, I'll be somewhat surprised.
QuoteAlso, the sleeping thing is a bit of a misnomer - "not have to" and "have not to" are two different things, and it's still unclear how often your average Cubi sleeps, if at all. Particularly outside SAIA, where the emotional atmosphere is less intense
Interesting... I never thought of it like that. I'm not sure I agree, though. Aary didn't seem to sleep and Wildy said something like "You probably won't ever have to sleep again!" at the end of the SAIA arc (582). Also, in 753 : "I may not NEED to sleep, but I do."
QuoteGiven Home Ec, I'm wondering how sane you really have to be to be usable as a student.
I think being able to respond to external stimuli is a prerequisite >:3
QuoteI think Sid did nicely with Kitzi in his story, in chapter 8 with Ink; again, not canon, but nicely run, nonetheless. I -think- Ink would be able to use you, no matter how crazy you were.
Heh. That might be enough to snap him out of catatonia...
Nope, I still freaking LOVE Aniz.
Everyone who wants Aniz dead, then you're on my list.
I'll summarize in two sentences what Llearch took a page to say.
All things mental are relative. The insane man considers the sane man to be insane; who is to say which view is correct?
Quote from: AnizInDisguise on September 26, 2007, 03:35:20 PM
Nope, I still freaking LOVE Aniz.
Everyone who wants Aniz dead, then you're on my list.
*Charline smirks* I want Aniz dead. >:3
Quote from: Alondro on September 26, 2007, 04:32:59 PM
Quote from: AnizInDisguise on September 26, 2007, 03:35:20 PM
Nope, I still freaking LOVE Aniz.
Everyone who wants Aniz dead, then you're on my list.
*Charline smirks* I want Aniz dead. >:3
Newspaper'ed! You want everything dead you crazy cat...
Quote from: Valynth on September 26, 2007, 03:54:21 PM
I'll summarize in two sentences what Llearch took a page to say.
My ego hates you. ;-]
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 26, 2007, 05:18:34 PM
Quote from: Valynth on September 26, 2007, 03:54:21 PM
I'll summarize in two sentences what Llearch took a page to say.
My ego hates you. ;-]
And your hate means love in bizzaro world!
In the past episodes, Aniz seemed to be working according to some plan, even though it didn't seem to be working out. Now he seems to be acting out of panic. Bad things happen when people act through panic, very bad things.
Quote from: Valynth on September 26, 2007, 03:54:21 PMThe insane man considers the sane man to be insane; who is to say which view is correct?
The objective world itself? Not necessarily in all cases, of course, but if a man believed that the computer I'm typing on to be a fish that lived and breathed in the ocean - at this very moment, no less - call it circular reasoning or somesuch, but I'd be inclined to say he's wrong both from my point of view and on a totally general level.
Quote from: Naldru on September 26, 2007, 06:44:17 PM
Now he seems to be acting out of panic.
I... don't know about that. Remember the last strip, he said "Backup plan it is, then." This strip, he immediately turned to May, threatened and attacked her. This
is his backup plan. I don't think it's a good one, but at this point Aniz seems to be out of options. He doesn't know Kria told Abel she'd be along later, but he has to be wondering if anyone heard the screams. The clocks are ticking, the ones he knows about and the ones he doesn't.
Tick...
Tick...
Tick...
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 26, 2007, 07:12:05 AM
Quote from: Wussycat on September 26, 2007, 07:02:07 AM
I wonder if this leading up to May losing her marbles.
I suspect Aniz is about to take Abel (see the last pane) and we'll never see anything of May again,
Exactly what I was thinking!
Quote from: Pagan on September 26, 2007, 08:33:04 AM
For some reason, I think Aniz is just making empty threats. He just wants to scare May to the point where she'll stop screaming and curl into the fetal position for awhile.
...aaaaand that would be Plan-B. Come down heavy-handed, keep all bystanders out of the way, cowering in fear, and abscond with Abel to SAIA, to h311 with what he thinks of his incubus father.
Quote from: rt on September 26, 2007, 10:53:57 AM
And I'm glad i'm not the only one who thought Aniz was pointing outside the comic at us in that last pannel *gulp*.
Maybe he's mad because we didn't buy enough popcorn. :popcorn
Quote from: Regal on September 26, 2007, 10:11:24 PM
Quote from: rt on September 26, 2007, 10:53:57 AM
And I'm glad i'm not the only one who thought Aniz was pointing outside the comic at us in that last pannel *gulp*.
Maybe he's mad because we didn't buy enough popcorn. :popcorn
He's mad because he didn't switch his car insurance to GEICO and save a ton of money.
That or he knows someone out here is aware of his destiny.
I'm surprized no one busted in the house asking what all the screaming is about.
Quote from: AnizInDisguise on September 26, 2007, 03:35:20 PM
Nope, I still freaking LOVE Aniz.
Everyone who wants Aniz dead, then you're on my list.
I'll sign my name on that list myself, thank you very much.
Better still, I'll engrave my name. Then highlight it with bright neon.
Quote from: Valynth on September 26, 2007, 03:54:21 PM
I'll summarize in two sentences what Llearch took a page to say.
All things mental are relative. The insane man considers the sane man to be insane; who is to say which view is correct?
The majority. :P
Quote from: Caswin on September 26, 2007, 09:06:51 PM
Quote from: Valynth on September 26, 2007, 03:54:21 PMThe insane man considers the sane man to be insane; who is to say which view is correct?
The objective world itself? Not necessarily in all cases, of course, but if a man believed that the computer I'm typing on to be a fish that lived and breathed in the ocean - at this very moment, no less - call it circular reasoning or somesuch, but I'd be inclined to say he's wrong both from my point of view and on a totally general level.
*watches as Caswin types... on a fish?!* Well I'll be... :erk
"as for you" could be referring to Abel or Hennya
Actually, I believe the psychiatrists don't like the word insane. As I recall the definitions
Neurosis - compulsive actions that you are unable to control and unreasonable feelings - claustrophobia, excessive hand washing, compulsive rechecking of things, etc.
Psychosis - what you perceive doesn't exist - believing that little voices of men from Mars are telling you to kill Aniz and that tin foil will stop the voices, believing that red lights mean go, believing that a fellow is a demon and that only you can see the horns, etc.
Wht the majority defines is ethics and laws
Quote from: Naldru on September 27, 2007, 06:19:03 AM
Actually, I believe the psychiatrists don't like the word insane. As I recall the definitions
Neurosis - compulsive actions that you are unable to control and unreasonable feelings - claustrophobia, excessive hand washing, compulsive rechecking of things, etc.
Psychosis - what you perceive doesn't exist - believing that little voices of men from Mars are telling you to kill Aniz and that tin foil will stop the voices, believing that red lights mean go, believing that a fellow is a demon and that only you can see the horns, etc.
I guess must assume that what I wrote is still unclear despite multiple attempts to clarify it. IMHO Abel is not going to come out of this delusional - the shock is too great for that. I'm assuming he's going to withdraw into himself and become completely non-responsive, like Dan did in #529.
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 27, 2007, 06:49:54 AM
IMHO Abel is not going to come out of this delusional - the shock is too great for that.
I'm not sure that "the shock is too great for that" makes much sense in that statement?
Beyond the immediate detachment from reality that likely will let Aniz drag Able to school... well, we know he has become very neurotic, and suffers from a number of social disorders.
I'd place my bets on PTSD as well.
Anyway, on the subject of Cubi sanity, I'll lay my bets on: as long as you can function in society and accept your chosen place in it, your fine. They don't care if that place is entertaining children at a hospital to feed, or raping and torturing, as long as you can deal with it. Some range of that we might consider sociopathic, but that seems to be a normal state for Creatures anyway. :P
Quote from: WhiteFire on September 27, 2007, 08:29:38 AM
I'm not sure that "the shock is too great for that" makes much sense in that statement?
Abel has discovered that he is a monster, and
then seen three people die horribly before his very eyes, discovered that his life was a lie and that his father is a psychopath who despises his mother and apparently him too. And that's without taking the blood phobia into account.
Now remember, Dan
did go catatonic. It didn't last long in his case, but he only went through a fraction of what Abel did (the 'discovering I'm a monster' bit).
Don't forget too that Dan is a seasoned warrior who went around killing other people for a living. Abel is a librarian - which of these do you think is going to be psychologically tougher?
I've said it before and I'll say it again.
...again.
We know that 'cubi are not inherently evil, assuming evil to mean roughly "killing, hurting, etc. for the fun of it and not caring remotely about the impact on others". Many fall under that heading anyway, but it's been firmly established as anything but universal, mainly in the cases of Dan and Abel. Is there really any reason to call them monsters?
I just had a thought.
Did Abel ever try to kill himself during his 300 some years at SAIA?
Quote from: Caswin on September 27, 2007, 09:10:30 AM
Is there really any reason to call them monsters?
Let's ask Hennya.
Quote from: AndersW on September 27, 2007, 09:32:42 AM
I just had a thought.
Did Abel ever try to kill himself during his 300 some years at SAIA?
Well, we know from Abel that every cubi goes through a state of depression in their lives. I don't know if he ever tried to COMMIT suicide, but then again he could had made the attempt.
Quote from: Regal on September 27, 2007, 11:08:13 AM
Quote from: Caswin on September 27, 2007, 09:10:30 AM
Is there really any reason to call them monsters?
Let's ask Hennya.
Ooo, cheap shot. Hennya can tell you about one (and, to be fair, he's been pretty monstrous to her). She can't tell you about them as a group, which is what Caswin was asking.
As a group... I'm not sure we have the detail to be able to tell; we simply don't know many "typical" Cubi. Abel is atypical. Dan is atypical. Destania has been behaving atypically, but may be going back to typical. Fa'Lina is a story all her own. In fact, so far as I can tell, other than Aniz, (and I'm not sold on him) Aaryanna is the only "typical" Cubi we've seen for long enough to figure out. Generalising from one sample is bad statistics.
All the other Cubi we've seen at SAIA have been brief passes, and in a different area; they're not suitable to take as examples, because living at SAIA is different to living at Lost Lake.
Quote from: multani82 on September 27, 2007, 11:21:23 AM
Quote from: AndersW on September 27, 2007, 09:32:42 AM
I just had a thought.
Did Abel ever try to kill himself during his 300 some years at SAIA?
Well, we know from Abel that every cubi goes through a state of depression in their lives. I don't know if he ever tried to COMMIT suicide, but then again he could had made the attempt.
That is what I am asking. Did he ever attempt suicide?
Quote from: AndersW on September 27, 2007, 11:48:03 AM
That is what I am asking. Did he ever attempt suicide?
I doubt you're going to get an answer from anyone who knows, frankly. In fact I'm not sure I want to know the answer anyway...
Quote from: Caswin on September 27, 2007, 09:10:30 AM
Is there really any reason to call them monsters?
Well, I'm deeply ashamed to admit it, but was kind of fun to watch your reaction >:3
I'd venture a guess that he probably thought about it/tried but was too scared to go through with it or someone stopped him from doing it. But yeah I don't think your going to get a definitive answer at the moment.
Quote from: Xeksue on September 27, 2007, 12:03:51 PM
I'd venture a guess that he probably thought about it/tried but was too scared to go through with it or someone stopped him from doing it. But yeah I don't think your going to get a definitive answer at the moment.
yeah I'M NOT EVEN going to make assumptions at this point of time in the comic. We just don't know exactly what happened in those 300 hundred years with Abel at SAIA college. We'll just have to wait and see if it shows in the abel strips, or if and when Abel divulges more information about his past.
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 27, 2007, 08:46:06 AM
Quote from: WhiteFire on September 27, 2007, 08:29:38 AM
I'm not sure that "the shock is too great for that" makes much sense in that statement?
Abel has discovered that he is a monster, and then seen three people die horribly before his very eyes, discovered that his life was a lie and that his father is a psychopath who despises his mother and apparently him too. And that's without taking the blood phobia into account.
Now remember, Dan did go catatonic. It didn't last long in his case, but he only went through a fraction of what Abel did (the 'discovering I'm a monster' bit).
Don't forget too that Dan is a seasoned warrior who went around killing other people for a living. Abel is a librarian - which of these do you think is going to be psychologically tougher?
I'm not arguing it was not a massive shock, in fact, that's kinda my point. You said:
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 27, 2007, 06:49:54 AM
IMHO Abel is not going to come out of this delusional - the shock is too great for that.
Why would increasing values of "shock" reduce the chance of becoming delusional? I'd say the relationship would be the other way around.
edit: fixed some quoting
Quote from: WhiteFire on September 27, 2007, 12:07:58 PM
I'm not arguing it was not a massive shock, in fact, that's kinda my point. You said:
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 27, 2007, 06:49:54 AM
IMHO Abel is not going to come out of this delusional - the shock is too great for that.
Why would increasing values of "shock" reduce the chance of becoming delusional? I'd say the relationship would be the other way around.
You're right - that should have read: "Abel is not going to come out of this
merely delusional - the shock is too great for that."
What I am saying is that it's liable to give him a total breakdown and put him into a catatonic, non-responsive state for an extended period of time. The 'what is sane' question has no relevance if the lights are on but no-one's home.
Yes, I can imagine him becoming delusional
afterwards but with Dan as an example, I think the shock is enough to take him down completely. "Hello son, you've been in a coma for 20 years, welcome to SAIA..." that kind of thing.
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 27, 2007, 12:18:22 PM
You're right - that should have read: "Abel is not going to come out of this merely delusional - the shock is too great for that."
Oh, that explains my confusion then. :) I totally agree. He is probably going to be drooling on the floor by the next time we see him.
If I had to vote on it, I would go for Abel being in a catatonic state for quite sometime. I seriously doubt he would be put in a shock induced coma. But, it HAS happened before so I won't rule out the possibility.
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 27, 2007, 12:02:34 PM
Quote from: AndersW on September 27, 2007, 11:48:03 AM
That is what I am asking. Did he ever attempt suicide?
I doubt you're going to get an answer from anyone who knows, frankly. In fact I'm not sure I want to know the answer anyway...
I wasn't expecting an answer. It was a possibility I came up with.
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 27, 2007, 12:02:34 PM
Well, I'm deeply ashamed to admit it, but was kind of fun to watch your reaction >:3
*snerk*
Quote from: WhiteFire on September 27, 2007, 12:19:57 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 27, 2007, 12:18:22 PM
You're right - that should have read: "Abel is not going to come out of this merely delusional - the shock is too great for that."
Oh, that explains my confusion then. :) I totally agree. He is probably going to be drooling on the floor by the next time we see him.
Possibly. My one objection to this is that it's an easy out, plot-wise. 20 years on, his sole remaining parent that he might want to talk to is now dead, all his childhood friends are gone, etc. All there is left is make a whole new life over in SAIA.
While it makes sense, it's too easy for Amber. She's not too likely to take that step, based on what she's put herself through in the past, IMHO. ;-] While I'd be happy for her to do so, I suspect she still has some surprises in store. Steamroller-fashion.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 27, 2007, 12:44:05 PM
While it makes sense, it's too easy for Amber.
I dunno... I can think of at least two heartrending ways of doing it...
Quote from: Reese Tora on September 27, 2007, 01:23:10 AM
Quote from: Valynth on September 26, 2007, 03:54:21 PM
I'll summarize in two sentences what Llearch took a page to say.
All things mental are relative. The insane man considers the sane man to be insane; who is to say which view is correct?
The majority. :P
You'd be surprised how often that doesn't happen....
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 27, 2007, 11:36:54 AM
As a group... I'm not sure we have the detail to be able to tell; we simply don't know many "typical" Cubi. Abel is atypical. Dan is atypical. Destania has been behaving atypically, but may be going back to typical. Fa'Lina is a story all her own. In fact, so far as I can tell, other than Aniz, (and I'm not sold on him) Aaryanna is the only "typical" Cubi we've seen for long enough to figure out. Generalising from one sample is bad statistics.
On the other hand: If we can, for whatever reason, assume that Aaryanna is genuinely "typical", then I'd say we already have generalized. On top of that, typical or not, Fa'Lina, Aniz, and Destania - to say nothing of bit-player 'cubi, Abel's "jerk" speech, and their overall reputation - have all strayed pretty close to the approximate "monster" archetype.
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 27, 2007, 12:02:34 PMQuote from: Caswin on September 27, 2007, 09:10:30 AM
Is there really any reason to call them monsters?
Well, I'm deeply ashamed to admit it, but was kind of fun to watch your reaction >:3
Quote from: Caswin on September 27, 2007, 09:10:30 AM...hurting, etc. for the fun of it and not caring remotely about the impact on others
:(
Quote from: Caswin on September 27, 2007, 02:10:55 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 27, 2007, 12:02:34 PMQuote from: Caswin on September 27, 2007, 09:10:30 AM
Is there really any reason to call them monsters?
Well, I'm deeply ashamed to admit it, but was kind of fun to watch your reaction >:3
Quote from: Caswin on September 27, 2007, 09:10:30 AM...hurting, etc. for the fun of it and not caring remotely about the impact on others
:(
Hey, he cares.
Obviously he cares, otherwise he wouldn't have enjoyed watching your reaction... ;-]
Quote from: Caswin on September 27, 2007, 02:10:55 PM
On the other hand: If we can, for whatever reason, assume that Aaryanna is genuinely "typical", then I'd say we already have generalized. On top of that, typical or not, Fa'Lina, Aniz, and Destania - to say nothing of bit-player 'cubi, Abel's "jerk" speech, and their overall reputation - have all strayed pretty close to the approximate "monster" archetype.
Well, hopefully we should be getting some more sample data when Abel is up and running at SAIA. Remember also that there have been a not-insignificant number of 'Cubi adventurers who were brought up as Beings - whether SAIA shapes them into the basic 'monster' configuration over time is unclear.
If the object of SAIA is to help ensure the survival of the species, it would not make sense to do that, since a variety of attitudes will help continue said species as much as a variety of genes would.
Quotehurting, etc. for the fun of it and not caring remotely about the impact on others
Yeah, sorry about that, but it was soooo tempting...
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 27, 2007, 02:17:47 PMHey, he cares.
Obviously he cares, otherwise he wouldn't have enjoyed watching your reaction... ;-]
Or felt guilty about doing it :P
I might be pleted for this but...IM GLAD THAT PINK WORM IS DEAD!!! Hahahahahahahaha!
I would done the same slashing the mess out of the little squirming retard....I just hope satan has a cold colon for her to rot in! :mwaha
Quote from: Zedd on September 27, 2007, 04:59:41 PM
I might be pleted for this but...IM GLAD THAT PINK WORM IS DEAD!!! Hahahahahahahaha!
Zedd, have you forgotten to take your medication or something?
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 27, 2007, 05:49:59 PM
Quote from: Zedd on September 27, 2007, 04:59:41 PM
I might be pleted for this but...IM GLAD THAT PINK WORM IS DEAD!!! Hahahahahahahaha!
Zedd, have you forgotten to take your medication or something?
No..I am just being serious to my emontions right now dear sir
In her blog (http://aary_kitty.livejournal.com), Aaryanna indicates that the normal method of breaking up with a being is to kill the being. Could that be what Destania is referring to when she says she'll have to kill Edward (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_298.php). If so, would Aniz be expected to kill May when he leaves her by the standards of cubi society?
Just throwing out one more piece of fluffy nonsense to see who pounces on it.
Quote from: Naldru on September 27, 2007, 09:04:01 PMIn her blog (http://aary_kitty.livejournal.com), Aaryanna indicates that the normal method of breaking up with a being is to kill the being.
Yet Aaryanna didn't kill Merlitz, even with Fa'Lina watching.
Quote from: superluser on September 28, 2007, 02:16:25 AM
Quote from: Naldru on September 27, 2007, 09:04:01 PMIn her blog (http://aary_kitty.livejournal.com), Aaryanna indicates that the normal method of breaking up with a being is to kill the being.
Yet Aaryanna didn't kill Merlitz, even with Fa'Lina watching.
Maybe after Aniz messed things up so badly trying to find a way not to kill May, some of the cubi came to the conclusion that you could let them live if it really meant that much to you. Of course, a few traditionalists like Destania would still feel that the old ways are the best ways. Maybe Aniz did something decent after all, but in a way that would mess up Abel even more.
As I said, just something to raise on a stick like a hat in the old westerns to see how many bullets and arrows come along.
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 27, 2007, 02:23:42 PM
Well, hopefully we should be getting some more sample data when Abel is up and running at SAIA.
Assuming that Amber intends to keep Abel's Story running after he gets to SAIA. I believe she's mentioned in passing that she intended to end the story when Abel reaches SAIA. Whether that's still her intention or not is another question entirely...
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 28, 2007, 06:46:53 AM
Assuming that Amber intends to keep Abel's Story running after he gets to SAIA. I believe she's mentioned in passing that she intended to end the story when Abel reaches SAIA. Whether that's still her intention or not is another question entirely...
It's definitely going to end
in SAIA, but when, who knows? AFAIK we're still in chapter 1.
At 100+ pages per chapter, it counts as one of the -longer- arcs.
I make the arc lengths 6, 11, 14, 20, 12, 28, 12, 12, 56, 22, 46, 33, 1, 48, 55, 53, 51, 127, 67, 80, 22, and 47 and counting.
Unwilling and Abel at Cubi Academy is the only arc longer than Abel's Story is so far. And only Get Me To The Church even comes close. And even then, that's a lot less time to draw, if only because large parts of it are 4 panels on one row, only. Not to mention the mostly-three-times-a-week updates vs the once-a-week-when-the-universe-isn't-kicking-Amber-in-the-head for Abel's Story.
We shall see, indeed, but personally - I wasn't expecting more than a single chapter anyway. ;-] No matter -how- long it went for.
Quote from: Naldru on September 27, 2007, 06:19:03 AM
Psychosis - what you perceive doesn't exist
More to the point: when what's going on
inside your head has little-to-no relation with your sensory input.
There are many people who perceive things that don't necessarily exist physically. We call them, "psychic," not psychotic. ;) Psychotic is when you mind is reacting randomly ... or not at all ... to what you're perceiving. Your brain runs amok, your thought processes fall apart. Eventually, it becomes difficult or impossible to function.
It's a nasty, nasty thing to experience. You lose your sapience by degrees, replaced with random parts of your mind doing things of their own volition.
Every time I hear "psychotic," used properly or otherwise (as it usually is), I think of that essay on Batman villain Maxie Zeus over in The Animated Batman (http://www.toonzone.net/anbat/index.html).
Quote from: Mr. SummersLots of bad guys catch the label "psychotic," and almost every time the diagnosis is off the mark. Psychosis isn't evil; it's amoral. It doesn't mean indifference to other people's pain (that's called psychopathy, sociopathy, or antisocial personality disorder). A psychotic sees and hears things that simply aren't there.
Quote from: Moonfrost on September 26, 2007, 12:11:59 PM
Woo. Back from a longass holiday and I see this.
Aniz F- rocks. :boogie
Hey, there you are! I was wondering where Frosty went. You have a great sense of humor, coming up with that "Kill Aniz! DON'T Kill Aniz!" thing that you still have as your avatar. And back then, you were the only Aniz-lover to my memory.
Now AnizInDisguise has been giving you a run for your money, and trying to topple you from the "Biggest Aniz-Lover" throne.
Better catch up, Frosty >:3
Baaack on topic (ok sort of)
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 28, 2007, 08:13:05 AM
It's definitely going to end in SAIA, but when, who knows? AFAIK we're still in chapter 1.
I always just thought that Amber put up that first chapter thing, then simply forgot or decided not to split it up anymore, or simply neglected it. In my mind, I've mentally divided Abel's Story like so:
Chapter One: Summer of Youth (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_05.php)
Chapter Two: Growing Up (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_27.php)
Though it felt like there were two breaks before that...
Chapter Three: Old "Friends" (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_35.php)
Chapter Four: Innocence Lost (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_44.php)
Chapter Five: Harsh Realities (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_58.php)
Chapter Six: Coming Home (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_71.php)
Chapter Seven: The Deciever (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_86.php)
Chapter Eight: (unnamed; work in progress) (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_99.php)
This is actually only a rough division, though.
QuoteI imagine 'Cubi would make quite good psychiatrists.
First post since my hospitalization, August 7, and going through the thread; This, this made me laugh so hard. Consider carefully that incubi and succubi tolerate (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_505.php) sociopathic (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_525.php) individuals (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_545.php).QuoteWe shall see, indeed, but personally - I wasn't expecting more than a single chapter anyway.
Same. It's quite likely that Abel's Story is a one shot deal. Also, have to make sure Amber doesn't burn out.
Quote from: Ink on October 01, 2007, 04:00:41 AM
QuoteI imagine 'Cubi would make quite good psychiatrists.
First post since my hospitalization, August 7, and going through the thread; This, this made me laugh so hard. Consider carefully that incubi and succubi tolerate sociopathic individuals.
Indeed. Nonetheless, if you were going for a career in psychiatry, the ability to sense thoughts and emotions is going to give you the drop over any Being. It's simply a matter of making sure that the wrong person doesn't get the job >:3
Anyway, I hope you're recovering from whatever happened.
Quote from: Tapewolf on October 01, 2007, 04:12:30 AM
Quote from: Ink on October 01, 2007, 04:00:41 AM
QuoteI imagine 'Cubi would make quite good psychiatrists.
First post since my hospitalization, August 7, and going through the thread; This, this made me laugh so hard. Consider carefully that incubi and succubi tolerate sociopathic individuals.
Indeed. Nonetheless, if you were going for a career in psychiatry, the ability to sense thoughts and emotions is going to give you the drop over any Being. It's simply a matter of making sure that the wrong person doesn't get the job >:3
Anyway, I hope you're recovering from whatever happened.
Same thing here...But the thing is if anyone took into my story line..My aunt was kinda the SAIA dream psychiatry...But I wonder if its adceptable in the cannon line