Seems a little anticlimactic to be brought out of SAIA just to be asked that annoying question...
Yea, was wondering when that was gonna come up.
Granted, they've got a point. Cyra is two assassinations short of pulling a Fa'lina. While you don't want to dilute the gene pool too much, you also don't want to be critically endangered. Especially not when really powerful dragons have a vested interest in your clan's extermination.
And really, it does solve the conundrum. Dan has a kid with... someone. Kid gets dropped off at SAIA. Dan can now afford to risk his life to see his clan is safe without risking the end of the clan. If he dies, the kid either gets to pull a 'you killed my father, prepare to die' or if it was a sacrifice play that was successful, the kid can at least be secure in the knowledge that his father died to keep him safe. Which still sucks, but not nearly as much as, say, Abel's issues with HIS father.
I wonder if Taun would've offered one of her daughters if he had been more receptive to the idea.
Quote from: Prroul on November 21, 2016, 09:20:52 AM
I wonder if Taun would've offered one of her daughters if he had been more receptive to the idea.
The key point there is that we don't know whether Cyra or Taun clan would take precedence. Both are Tri-winged clans, but we don't know enough about what counts as 'power' to determine which clan the child would belong to.
For instance, is Taun personally more powerful than Cyra, because she ascended in an age when magic was far, far stronger and Cyra did so in an age where you had to destroy a dragon and possibly an entire city just to scrape through the door?
Is Taun clan more powerful because there's hundreds of living members, or is Cyra's clan more powerful because her power is split between two people instead of hundreds?
Something that just occurred to me is this - Dan was an adventurer who did great deeds and got a fair bit of attention, if page 119 is still canon. Being the impulsive sort, it's not impossible that he left a couple of winged children out there after celebrating a successful quest...
Quote from: Tapewolf on November 21, 2016, 09:34:03 AM
Quote from: Prroul on November 21, 2016, 09:20:52 AM
I wonder if Taun would've offered one of her daughters if he had been more receptive to the idea.
The key point there is that we don't know whether Cyra or Taun clan would take precedence. Both are Tri-winged clans, but we don't know enough about what counts as 'power' to determine which clan the child would belong to.
For instance, is Taun personally more powerful than Cyra, because she ascended in an age when magic was far, far stronger and Cyra did so in an age where you had to destroy a dragon and possibly an entire city just to scrape through the door?
Is Taun clan more powerful because there's hundreds of living members, or is Cyra's clan more powerful because her power is split between two people instead of hundreds?
While true, it can also be mitigated because once they have a child, both mother and, if necessary, child can convert over to Clan Cyra from Taun, due to having a blood relationship.
QuoteSomething that just occurred to me is this - Dan was an adventurer who did great deeds and got a fair bit of attention, if page 119 is still canon. Being the impulsive sort, it's not impossible that he left a couple of winged children out there after celebrating a successful quest...
Dan didn't strike me as being this kind of stupid, but you raise a very good point here...
I just wanted to say, as someone who has chosen not to have children and faced decades of these types of questions, thank you and I love it.
Hmmmm... Dan's reaction seems genuine, but considering who might have to draw cubi with ten limbs (6 arms/legs plus 4 wings) in the future, perhaps it's a self defense mechanism of Amber to keep her sanity ;3
Also: Maybe this time we'll find out how Faaaaaa- (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1520.php) ends.
Quote from: Prroul on November 21, 2016, 09:20:52 AM
If he dies, the kid either gets to pull a 'you killed my father, prepare to die'
"Congrats, it's a boy. What will you name him?"
"...Inigo"
"Inigo? I like it, it's like a mixture of 'start' and 'keep going'. Ini like initiate, followed by g--"
"No no no, It's just that if I get killed I want my son to chase down my murderer and say, 'My name is Inigo Ti'fiona, you killed my father, prepare to die.'"
"Wha--"
"My name is Inigo Ti'fiona, you killed my father, prepare to die."
"Why are you saying it like that?"
"My name is Inigo Ti'fiona, you killed my father, prepare to die."
"STOP SAYING THAT!"
"Hee hee hee got you to say it!"
Do they have the indirect method of reproduction available on Furrae? You know, the one found in real life? Because, that could potentially make this situation easier for Dan, if he's not willing to go the normal route.
Saw it comin'! Saw it comin'!
With Taun's focus on growing Clan Cyra, she likely expects that any of her own children recruited into the offer to be okay with their children converting to Cyra. Or else she intends to aim Dan towards leaderless clans like Hrienth/etc. Of course once he mentions having a girlfriend she's going to interrogate him about that, too... Poor Dan.
However, I think Dan would want to be an active part of his children's lives regardless of the method they're conceived through, and he doesn't strike me as being particularly ready for that XD Especially not at a rate that would qualify as a population boom.
Though I do wonder how many clans would be on board with breeding into Cyra, and how many would try to betray him.
Quote from: Cassi-kun on November 21, 2016, 01:22:15 PM
With Taun's focus on growing Clan Cyra, she likely expects that any of her own children recruited into the offer to be okay with their children converting to Cyra. Or else she intends to aim Dan towards leaderless clans like Hrienth/etc. Of course once he mentions having a girlfriend she's going to interrogate him about that, too... Poor Dan.
Unless I'm much mistaken, switching clan reams you in a similar way to being cubified, i.e. you end up considerably less powerful than a 'cubi naturally born into that clan. I think it's something more for the benefit of your children, or their children...
In any case, the obvious answer is for Dan to pair with a Being. That'll be a guarantee that if they are born 'Cubi, they'll be born into Cyra Clan. Also, Dan was brought up as a Being so he understands them well. What Matilda will think of that is anyone's guess, and it would be hard to find someone who would willingly do that, 'Cubi not being popular. Daryil's gambit of essentially paying someone to act as a surrogate mother might work, but you'd still have the possibility of them reporting it to Hizell for valuable cash prizes.
Quote from: Tapewolf on November 21, 2016, 02:04:44 PMIn any case, the obvious answer is for Dan to pair with a Being.
He probably wouldn't object too much to being thrown at a pile of Amazons...
I figured this was why Taun wanted to meet Dan. Also...Wait...oh snap! Anyone getting the feeling that Taun might try to place matchmaker and see about hooking up Dan and Illiath together!?
But seriously, Dan does need to think about this. While he might not want to even consider about having children, the fact that the future of his family and clan are at stake should make him realize that there are bigger things happening than him or whatever issues he has going on about being a cubi. And frankly I think he needs to get over his issues with being cubi as now he is in danger of losing everyone and everything he loves and holds dear now that people know he exists.
Plus there's the possibility that someone may die (cue the ominous music) from what we saw in as the dragon lord of all that is evil spied on Windy talking to Alexsi about a girls night out. I just got this bad feeling that something evil will happen and it won't be good.
Also I'm surprised that it never came up to have Alexsi become a cubi.
Anyhow, Taun has a point: Daniel needs to be prepared for war and it's coming. And I think it's about to start sooner than anyone would like.
Quote from: PalmettoPaladin on November 21, 2016, 03:21:19 PMAlso I'm surprised that it never came up to have Alexsi become a cubi.
Edward would have to convert first, or else she'd need a child from another clan with a true Leader, because conversions can only be done through the direct bloodline.
Quote from: Delian Williams on November 21, 2016, 11:02:26 AM
Maybe this time we'll find out how Faaaaaa- (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1520.php) ends.
"...LINA!!! You planned this to see more cubi kids around the academy, didn't you!!!"
I'm starting to wonder if they should think about freezing his seed.
Quote from: Lying Foo on November 21, 2016, 08:37:49 PM
I'm starting to wonder if they should think about freezing his seed.
Well that brings up an interesting possibility: What if someone from Fa'lina's clan did that? Y'know before coming down with a case of being dead.
Quote from: Kajet on November 21, 2016, 10:33:52 PMWell that brings up an interesting possibility: What if someone from Fa'lina's clan did that? Y'know before coming down with a case of being dead.
Ok, so here's where my thought process went with that.
"I doubt they had those kind of 'banks' around, so maybe one of the males died in a icy area and got preserved.""Can cubi traits even be passed on through residual DNA anyways?""Hell, then might as well cut out the middleman and start cloning them if cubi with their magical nature still have enough DNA for that to be possible."So that's where I've arrived...
Clone Wars: Furrae edition
If there's cloning in furrae, they're going to start by cloning a sheep, right? :eager
Cloning on Furrae would likely be a high-intensity variant of regeneration magic, generating a full body from minimal pieces.
Quote from: Merlin on November 22, 2016, 03:12:18 AM
If there's cloning in furrae, they're going to start by cloning a sheep, right? :eager
If so I hope they'd do things a little differently than how we did... There is a very specific reason the first cloned sheep was named "Dolly" after all...
I'm sure Sherri would be flattered.
Is Taun offering? She has them good breeders hips. I mean I know clan leaders can't really do that, but how would that work if all clan leaders are actually giants. I mean mechanically that would be like tossing a hot dog into the grand canyon.
What about Dan becoming a robosexual? Would they be able to cubi'fy if they all share the same source code?
Whaddaya know, Tape! She really is a "granny"! ;)
Quote from: nevwyn on November 23, 2016, 12:12:50 AM
Is Taun offering? She has them good breeders hips. I mean I know clan leaders can't really do that, but how would that work if all clan leaders are actually giants. I mean mechanically that would be like tossing a hot dog into the grand canyon.
What about Dan becoming a robosexual? Would they be able to cubi'fy if they all share the same source code?
What about using an avatar?
Quote from: Delian Williams on November 21, 2016, 11:02:26 AM
Also: Maybe this time we'll find out how Faaaaaa- (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1520.php) ends.
Fark? The almost swear word?
Quote from: Prroul on November 21, 2016, 09:20:52 AM
I wonder if Taun would've offered one of her daughters if he had been more receptive to the idea.
What's to say she's not doing that anyway?
Quote from: Drakkenmensch on November 21, 2016, 07:15:02 PM
Quote from: Delian Williams on November 21, 2016, 11:02:26 AM
Maybe this time we'll find out how Faaaaaa- (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1520.php) ends.
"...LINA!!! You planned this to see more cubi kids around the academy, didn't you!!!"
Said in the voice of Desi Arnaz from I love Lucy? <_<;;
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on November 23, 2016, 07:01:43 AM
Quote from: Prroul on November 21, 2016, 09:20:52 AM
I wonder if Taun would've offered one of her daughters if he had been more receptive to the idea.
What's to say she's not doing that anyway?
That's true. Heck I've been debating on whether I should create a cubi character, but I don't know what the rules are in creating one if there any rules. I'm really jealous of y'all! :mowsad
Ahem back on topic, I actually don't see any problem with Dan dating a Taun clan member. In fact, adventurers are well known to be quite the romantics.
Quote from: PalmettoPaladin on November 23, 2016, 10:28:19 PM
I've been debating on whether I should create a cubi character, but I don't know what the rules are in creating one if there any rules.
"Try not to contradict the comic toooooo much???" XD
Quote from: PalmettoPaladin on November 23, 2016, 10:28:19 PM
That's true. Heck I've been debating on whether I should create a cubi character, but I don't know what the rules are in creating one if there any rules. I'm really jealous of y'all! :mowsad
The rule is: you gotta do it! Just do it! Do it do it do it!!
Quote from: PalmettoPaladin on November 23, 2016, 10:28:19 PMAhem back on topic, I actually don't see any problem with Dan dating a Taun clan member. In fact, adventurers are well known to be quite the romantics.
I do, her name's Matilda. It's kinda the reason Dan turned down the bikini-clad volleyball trio (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1575.php).
Though, I could totally see pre-Matilda Dan going for Illiath. I remember him asking around for canine amazons back in the day and Illiath matches like 66% of that: Canine, warrioress,
scantily-clad tribal.
Quote from: PalmettoPaladin on November 23, 2016, 10:28:19 PM
That's true. Heck I've been debating on whether I should create a cubi character, but I don't know what the rules are in creating one if there any rules. I'm really jealous of y'all! :mowsad
Here's some hints on doing it well:
1. Bright colours. I could see enough counter-examples on both sides to think 'Huh, there are no rules for colours' and promptly made Jakob grey because I'm useless at designing colour schemes. 'Cubi do tend to have bright colours, even if it's only in their wings (Dan) or eyes. If you read PF you may have noticed that our newer characters tend to have more unnatural colours, but only after years of heckling from Amber. (That said, plain colours should be a survival trait in a world which doesn't like 'Cubi)
2. Either create a new minor clan, or add to a clan which has a large number of people in it already so you can get lost in the noise. Making your character the third surviving Cyra Clan member is going to go downhill fast.
3. Try and make their personality at least somehow reflective of their affinity. Jakob's were originally 'fear and wonder' but this was later retconned to 'fear and lust' because that was a lot closer to how the clan members - especially Daryil - were behaving in-comic. The 'wonder' thing was only ever used once, it was too hard an emotion to work with.
4. If you write stories, try and avoid including canon members of the cast.
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Ahem back on topic, I actually don't see any problem with Dan dating a Taun clan member.
Yeah, I think the main problem is Dan - he was brought up in a monogamous culture. Matilda wasn't, so she might be quite understanding about him also looking elsewhere - especially if he explains that it's necessary for the survival of his clan. Doing it behind her back would probably be fatal, though.
QuoteIn fact, adventurers are well known to be quite the romantics.
Hence my wondering whether Dan already owes someone child support but just doesn't know it. The answer might be in the plague of babies arc but I don't have time to check.
(http://i.imgur.com/84NRX7C.png)
Quote from: Tapewolf on November 24, 2016, 04:35:45 AM
Quote from: PalmettoPaladin on November 23, 2016, 10:28:19 PM
That's true. Heck I've been debating on whether I should create a cubi character, but I don't know what the rules are in creating one if there any rules. I'm really jealous of y'all! :mowsad
Either create a new minor clan, or add to a clan which has a large number of people in it already so you can get lost in the noise. Making your character the third surviving Cyra Clan member is going to go downhill fast.
Past/future characters and conversion can be used to wiggle around current clan sizes as well, if you're more interested in creating characters than utilizing them. I've got some Jin and Piflak Cubi in my ranks, and a living ex-Siar (though I do tend to consider my characters and plotlines "slightly sideways" to the comic itself).
Oh, and don't be afraid to give them Quoar-like traits, just try not to make it
too common if you have a larger stable of characters. I've had to forbid myself from it and I still have a couple more on the way anyway XD
Sweet! Thank y'all very much for the advice and suggestions.
I thought about the character and she's a Taun clan member and an adventurer. Now to make her unique she has rare defect that affects mainly cubi although Angels and demons can get it too, but it's mainly cubis: she can't eat souls. Although she can't eat souls she can take a person's soul out of their body and release it. She mainly uses this ability to give mercy killings or when she has to execute someone. She actually thinks beheading is inhumane and just downright wrong.
Now since I think that Taun female clan members would rather dewing themselves than wear boob armor I would need something else to show hey this character is female. Thankfully we have skirts:
(http://orig03.deviantart.net/5367/f/2016/329/7/7/charlotte__samurai_shodown__by_lindaroze-dapkzs5.jpg)
(http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/typemoon/images/8/88/Saber_2.png/revision/latest?cb=20110320010239)
In terms of Quoar traits she actually has that and other unique features: she actually has four back wings! This is another rare birth defect. While it does give her more tentacle wings it also causes her to strain her body. This is just an idea. Still tinkering with it. She does have two normal wings, except one is a feathered wing and the other is a bat wing. The same for her head wings except they're reverse.
I can see Dan asking her if she is a tri wing and her saying no that she just has a birth defect. She's also a sword and shield fighter. And she has a better story than Dan's about defeating several death knights with a spork: she beat several death knights by bashing them upside the head with a shield!
Quote from: PalmettoPaladin on November 24, 2016, 11:21:25 PM
Sweet! Thank y'all very much for the advice and suggestions.
I thought about the character and she's a Taun clan member and an adventurer. Now to make her unique she has rare defect that affects mainly cubi although Angels and demons can get it too, but it's mainly cubis: she can't eat souls. Although she can't eat souls she can take a person's soul out of their body and release it. She mainly uses this ability to give mercy killings or when she has to execute someone. She actually thinks beheading is inhumane and just downright wrong.
If it were me I'd have made someone a bit more pedestrian as a first try. (Jakob's red shirt was originally to identify him because he was so plain) It's perhaps worth keeping in mind that Creatures as a whole aren't too popular so anyone born with more than one pair of wings is likely to be in trouble, and I can imagine the Dragons would swoop down on them instantly 'just in case'.
Soul stealing is accomplished via a set of spells that the Angel race invented - it's not a 'Cubi trait, so if someone objects to it on ethical grounds, they don't have to learn how to do it.
Regards killing people, keep in mind that the whole adventuring thing is effectively a framework for bounty hunters to perform non-judicial executions. If you can convince a Creature to leave without killing them, that's a bonus, but I would assume that most of the time it ends in casualties.
Beheading crops up a lot in PF partly because Amber commented on the page where Dorcan dies, that hanging isn't going to work well for Creatures. However, decapitation is referenced, implied (and sometimes even depicted) quite regularly throughout the DMFA comics. Hence I have ass-u-me'd that it is the de-facto method of killing people in Furrae. It is possible that this is a distortion, since if you're collecting a bounty on someone, bringing back the head is easier than lugging the entire corpse home. Even so, if someone is missing a head, it's a fairly safe bet that they're now dead (or at least undead), regardless of race.
I am all aboard the excess-wing train, but I like to make my characters suffer, haha. I do wonder how multi-winged species would work, in the sense of being "functional" wings. I get the sense of headwings and hipwings being mostly superfluous.
Generally speaking, my rule of thumb when it comes to folks making characters is to have fun first and foremost and not worry too much about how close to the continuity and real edge things are because chances are it doesn't matter if you make a complete powerhouse or an average everybody since it only really effects your own fanstuff and not the actual continuity. Folks tromping around with fan-made clan leaders and super powered characters who happen to be one of Fa'Linas lost children or something or other in their works and fics don't really change the comic itself...so I have no real reason to tell anyone how to have fun in their own playgrounds.
It may just be my snark coming up, but I feel Dan should have responded "I don't think I'm up to your size."
On second thoughts, that's definitely snark. ;-]
Quote from: Amber Williams on November 26, 2016, 05:45:56 PM
Generally speaking, my rule of thumb when it comes to folks making characters is to have fun first and foremost and not worry too much about how close to the continuity and real edge things are because chances are it doesn't matter if you make a complete powerhouse or an average everybody since it only really effects your own fanstuff and not the actual continuity. Folks tromping around with fan-made clan leaders and super powered characters who happen to be one of Fa'Linas lost children or something or other in their works and fics don't really change the comic itself...so I have no real reason to tell anyone how to have fun in their own playgrounds.
Ah neat! The creator of DMFA has spoken!
Ahem, but seriously the reasoning for my respect and concern for continuity is that i have a high amount of respect for Amber and all the hard work she has done in making this comic. If I ever do a fanfic series based off of DMFA I want to make sure I get my research right and try to stay as close to what happens in canon as much as possible. For example I almost made my Taun character's father be from the Nact'Larn clan until I double checked my research and discovered that the clan is actually made up of succubi only! Luckily I had a backup plan and have her dad be from the Seme clan.
Btw my Taun female character is a cubi paladin! Yeah you heard me! A cubi paladin. I figure that since Pathfinder and D&D (post 2nd edition) allow any race to be a paladin, I think that would carry over to Furrae since I've noticed a lot of D&D references in it (yeah Amber I saw that reference to 4th Edition D&D!).
Also and Tapewolf don't worry I don't plan on putting any Taun members in boob armors. I actually noticed that pretty much every armored female character in Pathfinder has boob armor. Thankfully D&D tries to avoid it as much as possible unless you're dealing with the drow (aka dark elves), since let's face it: dark elves are meant to be seductive.
Now that I'm mentioned drow, who would win in a fight between all of the living cubi leaders and Lolth the dark elven spider goddess?
Quote from: PalmettoPaladin on November 27, 2016, 10:56:21 PM
Now that I'm mentioned drow, who would win in a fight between all of the living cubi leaders and Lolth the dark elven spider goddess?
Amber.
Quote from: Dishonored on November 28, 2016, 12:00:52 AM
Quote from: PalmettoPaladin on November 27, 2016, 10:56:21 PM
Now that I'm mentioned drow, who would win in a fight between all of the living cubi leaders and Lolth the dark elven spider goddess?
Amber.
Wait....Amber isn't a cubi clan leader...right?
Quote from: PalmettoPaladin on November 28, 2016, 03:41:21 PM
Wait....Amber isn't a cubi clan leader...right?
*pat-pat* Keep telling yourself that, yep.
Quote from: PalmettoPaladin on November 28, 2016, 03:41:21 PM
Quote from: Dishonored on November 28, 2016, 12:00:52 AM
Quote from: PalmettoPaladin on November 27, 2016, 10:56:21 PM
Now that I'm mentioned drow, who would win in a fight between all of the living cubi leaders and Lolth the dark elven spider goddess?
Amber.
Wait....Amber isn't a cubi clan leader...right?
Amber is the head of Clan Tacos-are-delicious.
Quote from: Dishonored on November 28, 2016, 12:00:52 AM
Quote from: PalmettoPaladin on November 27, 2016, 10:56:21 PM
Now that I'm mentioned drow, who would win in a fight between all of the living cubi leaders and Lolth the dark elven spider goddess?
Amber.
Nice. Have some applauds. ;-]