#88 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_88.php) Oh this is going quite well yet its sad when your brain goes blanky blank like that
Perhaps a cold iron knife to the skull would jog your memory.
The more I see of him, the more convinced I become that Aniz is just as goofy and silly as his son will turn out to be, and really only competent at being evil and mean when he's trying really hard.
That, or he's just THAT evil that acting simple and mundane is even worse than him acting evil.
To have a brainfart now...That would ruin your street credit
Ah yes, a little splice of humour to quote "lighten the mode" un-quote. That's a tactic if ever I've seen one.
For a moment there I thought there was going to be some sort of 'Jeckyl-Hyde'-thing going on, where the "good" side was surfacing. But upon further reflection, that makes no sense.
edited on account of personal stupidity.
Carry on.
Ok, Abel, you are clearly thinking more... er... clearly... than your mother. Ask questions. Find out the Whys, Wheres, and Hows. And then, while he is distracted, shove a sword/butcher knife/tentacle wing/etc. between his ribs. Blood phobia? Put that aside for now. That ß@$+@®Þ is clearly planning on killing your Mother and Hennya. Do what needs to be done. :reaper
Quote from: Manawolf on May 05, 2007, 03:03:39 AM
Perhaps a cold iron knife to the skull would jog your memory.
No! Don't kill Aniz!
It's amazing how evil Aniz looks when we first saw him compared to this.
This is a strange turn of events. I really want to know why he decided to spend 25 years as Cid now =<
He seems so immature. I can't believe he was able to put on such a convincing act.
Also, I love how his headwings keep changing to match his thoughts.
Quote from: Kattuccino on May 05, 2007, 03:24:29 AM
He seems so immature. I can't believe he was able to put on such a convincing act.
Have we yet seen a 'Cubi who can be considered normal? Abel's crackers. Fa'Lina's weird. Dan's immature. With the possible exception of Aary, the closest we've seen is Destania and she's married a Being on impulse and then gone on some kind of psychopathic bender.
I must admit, I don't understand how he managed to do this, unless he's gone all happy because he's finally free of having to be Cid.
Guys. I want to know the story behind May's purple necklace now. I just noticed she always has worn it:
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_05.php
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_12.php
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_14.php
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_26.php
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_28.php
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_30.php
She is definitely wearing it in the current strip. Bottom left strips it is barely visible:
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_82.php
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_85.php
These are the only strips she's not wearing it:
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_16.php
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_20.php
Was it just a decoy to make us think May might have been the Succubus?
And Tapewolf, I think most of the characters in normal DMFA are overly-weird for comedy. Most of the characters in Abel's Story seem less zany, including Abel himself, who seems much more "normal" than the sarcastic, "sorta metrosexual but not really" version in normal DMFA, who even then doesn't seem that odd now that he's not wearing a skirt =P
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_289.php
Heh,
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I don't remember...
Yeah, more and more Aniz is just looking to be just some random Cubi moron, with not much "real" evil to him, even though bloodying May is definatly a :nono
Must..... know...... story..... the suspennnnnnnce! It burns! :eager
Quote from: Kattuccino on May 05, 2007, 03:52:40 AM
Stuff about May's Necklace
More than likely a coincidence. I mean, you've shown that she isn't always wearing it, so it's likely just a fashion accessory.
I don't think there was ever any significance to the necklace. It's just a part of her outfit.
My first thoughts were "GODDAMNIT AMBER! :<", seconds "Haha, he looks even cuter. :D"
But still, curse your delaying tactics. ;-;
Y'know, DMFA and subcomics are the only comics that actually conjure emotions in me, well done, Amber. <3
~Mwa
Well, Aniz is amusing, at the very least.
...I really really hope there's no Darth Vader - Luke moment coming up...
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TAKES HIS TEA A QUARTER PAST THREE or something. I forget how it goes.
I have to admit I agree with Aniz on this one, mind blanks suck, more so after reheasals.
Quote from: Kattuccino on May 05, 2007, 03:52:40 AM
And Tapewolf, I think most of the characters in normal DMFA are overly-weird for comedy. Most of the characters in Abel's Story seem less zany, including Abel himself, who seems much more "normal" than the sarcastic, "sorta metrosexual but not really" version in normal DMFA, who even then doesn't seem that odd now that he's not wearing a skirt =P
There's some truth in that but I'm not convinced it's the whole story. 'Cubi as a whole tend to be impulsive and easily distracted - I'm wondering whether 'immature' should be added to that list as well.
Abel is still in the process of being unhinged, so he is going to be relatively normal although compared to Devin I'd say he's still been relatively immature.
Consider this: Dan is the only young 'Cubi we've seen in the mainline. All the others have already been through SAIA or are going through SAIA. I would say that spending three hundred years being 24 and associating almost exclusively with other Creatures who are permanently 24 is going to result in a person who cannot be judged sane against a Being frame of reference. >:3
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Quote from: Kattuccino on May 05, 2007, 03:52:40 AM
And Tapewolf, I think most of the characters in normal DMFA are overly-weird for comedy. Most of the characters in Abel's Story seem less zany, including Abel himself, who seems much more "normal" than the sarcastic, "sorta metrosexual but not really" version in normal DMFA, who even then doesn't seem that odd now that he's not wearing a skirt =P
There's some truth in that but I'm not convinced it's the whole story. 'Cubi as a whole tend to be impulsive and easily distracted - I'm wondering whether 'immature' should be added to that list as well.
Abel is still in the process of being unhinged, so he is going to be relatively normal although compared to Devin I'd say he's still been relatively immature.
Consider this: Dan is the only young 'Cubi we've seen in the mainline. All the others have already been through SAIA or are going through SAIA. I would say that spending three hundred years being 24 and associating almost exclusively with other Creatures who are permanently 24 is going to result in a person who cannot be judged sane against a Being frame of reference. >:3
I doubt *anything* could withstand that for 300 years and not go atleast partially crazy!
-Robbie
Aniz is a noob.
Well he might have a huge reason why he didnt revail hisself sooner...Just you wait...Its probley something more chaotic then we all figured it would be
Fo-rizzle, stop delaying the story! We wait so long for abel's stories that a slight delay is a killer. You are so mean Amber. :dancinggrave
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The beard of evil!
I don't think he is immature, I just think he is that damned mean and confident in his abilities. He is so sure he is in complete control that he can do/say whatever he wants and he is determined to cause as much chaos and ocnfusion as he can.
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Perhaps a cold iron knife to the skull would jog your memory.
No! Don't kill Aniz!
Kill Aniz!
DON'T KILL ANIZ
KILL ANIZ
DON'T KILL ANIZ!
Lets microwave him instead! *twisted*
Back on track...
It is starting to look like the whole heart attack and punching may was done for show, and to allow him to change to his normal form, and get his audience all looking fully. He seems sorta half crazy, very happy, and atleast a bit hyper now.
For some reason, this comic was absolutely hilarious!
-Robbie
the mentioning he has rehearsed the speech leads me to believe theres a REASON for all this- as though he killed cid on accident and assumed his identity for some reason we do not know. really, its not like he couldn't have just walked off and incubi'd somewhere else, or killed wifey dear years ago. no, theres a reason he decided to stay, become a goofy retired adventurer and a loving father, get a job, and stay with one woman for a quarter century.
the reason is probably 'for shits and giggles' but hey, its a reason.
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*scratches facial hair* do sideburns affect the level of dastardly? how does a 'van dyke' rate? i am curious and need to know if i should change my shaving habits before people accuse me of being an evil twin.
QuoteSpeak no evil, see no evil, hear no evil
wow this is getting pretty interesting. Ok so abel is 24 right now and Aniz killed cid a year prior to abel's birth. That we can understand now. So the question remains still is why? Why the 25 years of deception. Did he kill Cid for a reason other than to have a cubi child? Or, was there something else more potent behind this curtain of deceit? For a villian, Aniz isn't really showing much of the dasterdly evil we all think of in a villian.
Quote from: multani82 on May 05, 2007, 08:08:24 AM
wow this is getting pretty interesting. Ok so abel is 24 right now and Aniz killed cid a year prior to abel's birth. That we can understand now. So the question remains still is why? Why the 25 years of deception. Did he kill Cid for a reason other than to have a cubi child? Or, was there something else more potent behind this curtain of deceit? For a villian, Aniz isn't really showing much of the dasterdly evil we all think of in a villian.
Cubi get WAY old. 25 years in disguise isn't terribly long for him. It may have been a simply "I wanna see their faces when they find out the kid's a Cubi!" gig. He obviously waited for that day (rehearsed speech and all that), so it's unlikely he wanted to keep the show up forever.
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Perhaps a cold iron knife to the skull would jog your memory.
No! Don't kill Aniz!
Kill Aniz!
DON'T KILL ANIZ
KILL ANIZ
DON'T KILL ANIZ!
Aniz may only be killed by Shonen AI.
Abel x Aniz, anyone? :P
Anyways, I just want to applaud Amber for the recent comic. Well-made, all of them. This one even made me laugh out loudly. I just hope that Aniz survives for a while longer, he's one of the more interesting characters (I'm not entirely sure if he is even a
villain at this point) on the internets.
I don't think the attempt at humor fits here, other than to show us he's a jerk which has already been established.
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Perhaps a cold iron knife to the skull would jog your memory.
No! Don't kill Aniz!
Kill Aniz!
DON'T KILL ANIZ
KILL ANIZ
Oh God, somebody PLEASE make one of those icons where it switches from "Kill Aniz!" to "DON'T Kill Aniz." XD
~Keaton the Black Jackal
Quote from: Tycoon on May 05, 2007, 10:02:05 AM
Abel x Aniz, anyone? :P
you do realise that would be incest
*Charline squee* Ah, kill everybody! That'd be the mostest fun! :boogie
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Perhaps a cold iron knife to the skull would jog your memory.
No! Don't kill Aniz!
Kill Aniz!
DON'T KILL ANIZ
KILL ANIZ
DON'T KILL ANIZ!
Donation war senses tingling.... :U
okay my theory on Anizreasons for the 25 year masqurade
It's been said before that Abels clan is rather small correct? So small it's barely a clan.
So that would make children of the clan rare, and very valuable. Now I don't belive Aniz is Devins father but assuming he was a creature as well and using that as a referance the marrying of beings to create offspring to bolster your numbers is not uncommon even if Beings don't know it themselves.
When Abel was born Aniz got lucky, Abel had wings so it was likely he was a cubi. With a small clan he doesn't have as big a suport net as larger clans so the best way to protect abel from the clans eneimes was to keep him off the radar, 25 years isn't much to a long lived race like the cubi especialy to protect such a valuable investment like a new clan member.
As for why do it like this? perhaps Aniz believes this is the best way, maybe it's how he was raised. The clan are like cokoos insinuating themselves into existing families to raise there offspring.
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Perhaps a cold iron knife to the skull would jog your memory.
No! Don't kill Aniz!
Kill Aniz!
DON'T KILL ANIZ
KILL ANIZ
DON'T KILL ANIZ!
Donation war senses tingling.... :U
Awesome! I vote for Abel killing him. But I have to admit, this comic make me like the guy a bit. Oh well, I tend to like
everyone a bit.
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Perhaps a cold iron knife to the skull would jog your memory.
No! Don't kill Aniz!
Kill Aniz!
DON'T KILL ANIZ
KILL ANIZ
DON'T KILL ANIZ!
Donation war senses tingling.... :U
Awesome! I vote for Abel killing him. But I have to admit, this comic make me like the guy a bit. Oh well, I tend to like everyone a bit.
I vote to not kill Aniz
I wonder if all this is just Aniz's way of saying "I screwed up and felt bad, but now my cover is blown so i'll probably just kill you guys ok bye"
I don't think Cid knows the extent of Abel's capabilities of mindreading..
How much does Abel know of Aniz?
(and on why Aniz is acting the way he is currently.. if he also consumes confusion, he's doing a good job at creating it.)
yep but I'm still holding out on the diabolical evil thing. We dont know why he killed Cid. Maybe there was another reason he killed Cid other than to take his place.
Abel doesn't look like cid in anyway as by several reasons
1.eyes just dont match up(abel has NO red in his eyes)
2.Wing color and style dont look anything like one another (look at dan and compare it with his mother's wings. They are exactly the same style)
3. I may be wrong but, I dont see any features that resemble Aniz in any way found on Abel's physical anatomy save the Cubi mark.
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on May 05, 2007, 11:22:44 AM
I wonder if all this is just Aniz's way of saying "I screwed up and felt bad, but now my cover is blown so i'll probably just kill you guys ok bye"
"Can I kill you plzkthx?"
Amber is keeping me in suspense...AMBER = EBIL!!!!
PANEL FIVE MAKES HIM ADORIBLE WHY IS HE ADORIBLE HE CANT BE ADORIBLE HES EVIL--
I mean, um.
At the moment I'm leaning towards Fa'lina levels of psychotic glee-smashery merged with Kria-esque disreguard for Beings lives. I'm almost leaning towards Aniz not being kill-it-with-fire evil at this point because he's just so loveable with the one headwing flipped up like that but that's GOTTA be an act...
-___-
I can hope that he killed Cid in self-defense in an honest Cubi/Adventurer conflict, decided to go see the "home of his enemy" and then got to enjoying May's company a bit too much then decided he'd break it off when the kid was old enough to take care of himself and throw a little violence in the mix to make sure May thought of him as that villianous Cubi who murdered my husband as opposed to that-- that guy-- who sort of is but isn't my husband...
But I'm probably wrong. :mowsad
Quote from: multani82 on May 05, 2007, 11:29:35 AM
yep but I'm still holding out on the diabolical evil thing. We dont know why he killed Cid. Maybe there was another reason he killed Cid other than to take his place.
Abel doesn't look like cid in anyway as by several reasons
1.eyes just dont match up(abel has NO red in his eyes)
2.Wing color and style dont look anything like one another (look at dan and compare it with his mother's wings. They are exactly the same style)
3. I may be wrong but, I dont see any features that resemble Aniz in any way found on Abel's physical anatomy save the Cubi mark.
Similarities:
1) Wing type: feathery, black tips.
2) Hair colour: brown tips (More closely matches Aniz's shade of brown than Cid's shade of brown)
Other notes:
1) Cid has brown eyes, so it doesn't explain the green eitherway.
2) Frankly, the only similarity we've seen between Dan and Destinia is the wings and eyes.
Other thoughts:
Kria did say she'll come by later...
Quote from: MaskedRetriever on May 05, 2007, 11:58:46 AM
PANEL FIVE MAKES HIM ADORIBLE WHY IS HE ADORIBLE HE CANT BE ADORIBLE HES EVIL--
Introducing...
MAB'S CHIBI HELL (http://pholph.com/chibi.htm) (nsfw)
I'm thinking that Aniz is ebil, and this is his ebil genius speech. Honestly, though- why would he care to be flat out evil toward this group. It's two beings and a very immature cubi- they can't do anything to him. I see his mood swings more as a cat playing with a mouse. He's having his fun, getting his kicks, and will eventually decide to either let them go because they're not fun anymore, or kill them. It's not like they're major players, so he doesn't really have to take them seriously.
Bah I think the only reason he critically failed his evil speech roll is because hes inferring that hes gonna use an emotional overload on Abel before Abel can react. Aniz has to be reading the angry vibes emmanating from Abel, so being as evil as he is hes gonna tell him the exact nature of his next move, which none of them will know what to make of it until he actually does it.
Either that or his mind drew a blank because yeah, he forgot, or Abel unknowingly caused it somehow.
Quote from: multani82 on May 05, 2007, 11:29:35 AM
3. I may be wrong but, I dont see any features that resemble Aniz in any way found on Abel's physical anatomy save the Cubi mark.
You're right. Aniz has yet to say "son" or anything indicating that to Abel. Aniz might just be a lacky to the cubi that really is Abel's father. Guess we'll find out soon.
I suspect Aniz is Abel's real father. He practically admitted it when he whacked May and reverted to his Cubi form, and he asked Abel, "Does this look familiar?" and pointed to the clan mark of a fairly small clan, which I wouldn't expect a lot of to be running around. For example, we've only ever seen two(confirmed) cubi from the same clan in the main comic, they're both from a very large, powerful clan(diametric opposite to Abel and Aniz's clan), and Destania is confirmed as Dan's mother. By use of the very mathematically-termed "Squeeze Method," I think it's safe to say Aniz is Abel's father.
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TAKES HIS TEA A QUARTER PAST THREE or something. I forget how it goes.
:3 must pet the goatee
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Perhaps a cold iron knife to the skull would jog your memory.
No! Don't kill Aniz!
Kill Aniz!
DON'T KILL ANIZ
KILL ANIZ
DON'T KILL ANIZ!
Donation war senses tingling.... :U
Awesome! I vote for Abel killing him. But I have to admit, this comic make me like the guy a bit. Oh well, I tend to like everyone a bit.
I vote to not kill Aniz
man I wish I had a way to pay to for that donation war then I would vote for aniz killed by shounen ai *sends my right hand to Amber as payment*
Quote from: Sid on May 05, 2007, 08:22:09 AMCubi get WAY old. 25 years in disguise isn't terribly long for him.
OK. I've done the math on this one, but let's toss that out and look at it from a more conceptual perspective.
Humans on Earth live to be about 78 years. Beings on Furrae live a little bit longer than that--from 75-100--but it's close enough for government business.
The oldest `cubi that we know of are Ink and Fa'Lina, both of whom are 9000 years and change. I think it's fair to say that the average life expectancy for `cubi is no more than 10,000 years (Demonology says 3000+). Exceptionally healthy ones might live for far longer, but that would be rare.
So `cubi live about 100 times longer than you or I are expected to. So all the times that we see should be divided by 100 to give the `cubi equivalent. Aniz seems to be claiming to have been playing Cid for 25 years.
I don't know how long Aniz plans to keep up his shtick, but if Hennya doesn't show up for the wedding next week, there will be problems. Let's be extremely generous and say that today is Sunday and Hennya is eloping with no Practice Dinner or other pomp at the end of next week--14 days. I think it's more likely that Ahnora will get concerned if she doesn't show up tomorrow.
(I don't think that he'll try to impersonate Hennya and risk getting stuck playing a wife for another 25 years)
So 25 years to Aniz should be the equivalent of .25 years (or three months) to us. 14 days to Aniz should be the equivalent of .14 days (roughly 3 and a half hours) to us. 1 day to Aniz would be like 14 minutes to us.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 05, 2007, 10:39:02 AMWhen Abel was born Aniz got lucky, Abel had wings so it was likely he was a cubi. With a small clan he doesn't have as big a suport net as larger clans so the best way to protect abel from the clans eneimes was to keep him off the radar, 25 years isn't much to a long lived race like the cubi especialy to protect such a valuable investment like a new clan member.
All the more reason to kill the mother right after Abel is born and spirit him away to a cave somewhere--or the SAIA daycare program.
Quote from: Damaris on May 05, 2007, 12:10:45 PMI'm thinking that Aniz is ebil, and this is his ebil genius speech.
Amber doesn't seem the type to go in for those hoary old clichés. Which makes what Aniz is doing all the more bewildering.
Quote from: Damaris on May 05, 2007, 12:10:45 PMIt's two beings and a very immature cubi- they can't do anything to him. I see his mood swings more as a cat playing with a mouse.
1.) Hennya is a creature.
2.) It doesn't seem like a cat playing with a mouse. He could draw this out over months or years, if he wanted, but at the rate he's going, it will have to end tonight.
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Quote from: thegayhare on May 05, 2007, 10:39:02 AMWhen Abel was born Aniz got lucky, Abel had wings so it was likely he was a cubi. With a small clan he doesn't have as big a suport net as larger clans so the best way to protect abel from the clans eneimes was to keep him off the radar, 25 years isn't much to a long lived race like the cubi especialy to protect such a valuable investment like a new clan member.
All the more reason to kill the mother right after Abel is born and spirit him away to a cave somewhere--or the SAIA daycare program.
YAY some one actualy looked at my theory rather then building rediculisly long quote trees repeating kill Aniz over and over again
And I have to disagree with you there Luser
Spiriting Abel off to some cave or off to Saia wouldn't be safer.
First hiding able away.
For most most of his life up until this point Abel was as vulnerable as any being, he required food and sleep. Things an older cubi would no longer be as accustomed to as beings. he'd be forced to leave to provide food leaving the child vulnerable till he got back. Second living a solitary life if any enemy discoverd Aniz nearby and located his lar Abel being the only other thing there would also be instantly discovered.
Hiding in a small town is good for camoflage purposes, plus keeping the being parent alive allows you to divide up the workload. Also taking over an established Identity also makes sense Here he's Cid, Not that guy who moved here 25 years back, Cid was probably born and raised in this villiage. Iif any of his enemies or his clans enemies are searching They will be looking for Aniz not Cid. Plus if any enemy does discover the location they will have trouble simply swooping in to kill the cubi since they'd have to find them first. Then there is an automatic suport factor. Cid saved the village time and time again If something threatened his family the whole village would rise up to protect them.
As for taking Abel to Saia,
I'd say He wouldn't want to risk it for 2 major reasons
1. even though Abel was bor with wins he might not have ended up fully cubi, the fact that he had wins was enough to keep Aniz there or not trying again though so it was a good bet but there was still the off chance.
2. The Enimies of Abels clan aren't nessisarily all external. Some of them could be old Rivalries from other cubi clans. It's similer to the reaction aryana had when she was afraid a rival clan might realise Merlitz was connected to her. Since the clan is so small It would seem to risky to place a valuable commodity in a place where it would be so exposed and possibly surrounded by enemies
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As for taking Abel to Saia,
2. The Enimies of Abels clan aren't nessisarily all external. Some of them could be old Rivalries from other cubi clans. It's similer to the reaction aryana had when she was afraid a rival clan might realise Merlitz was connected to her. Since the clan is so small It would seem to risky to place a valuable commodity in a place where it would be so exposed and possibly surrounded by enemies
This is unlikely. One of the conditions of being educated in SAIA is that clan members must set aside their differences while within the Academy - i.e. no violence between 'Cubi. Merlitz is not a 'Cubi so he was fair game.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 05, 2007, 01:34:03 PMFirst hiding able away.
For most most of his life up until this point Abel was as vulnerable as any being, he required food and sleep. Things an older cubi would no longer be as accustomed to as beings. he'd be forced to leave to provide food leaving the child vulnerable till he got back. Second living a solitary life if any enemy discoverd Aniz nearby and located his lar Abel being the only other thing there would also be instantly discovered.
So knock off a farmer and take over his farm. I think you could find one or two people to help. At the very least, I'd get May out of the picture. Maybe kill May and run off to Zinvth. The creatures there would probably be pretty understanding of his position.
I'd expect much less so if he kept the act up for 25 years. At that point, she's no longer just a convenient uterus, but someone whom he's called his wife for years. We don't allow people to torture kittens, so why should he be allowed to torture her?
Quote from: thegayhare on May 05, 2007, 01:34:03 PMHiding in a small town is good for camoflage purposes, plus keeping the being parent alive allows you to divide up the workload. Also taking over an established Identity also makes sense Here he's Cid, Not that guy who moved here 25 years back, Cid was probably born and raised in this villiage. Iif any of his enemies or his clans enemies are searching They will be looking for Aniz not Cid.
Cantiv seems to be a town full of adventurers. Not exactly the best place for Aniz to hide out.
Plus, Cid and Aniz actually look a lot alike. If they were looking for Aniz, and they saw Cid, they'd probably look twice, and that's all the time they'd need to consider using some sort of detection method.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 05, 2007, 01:34:03 PM1. even though Abel was bor with wins he might not have ended up fully cubi, the fact that he had wins was enough to keep Aniz there or not trying again though so it was a good bet but there was still the off chance.
Not unless May is a creature (or some sort of bird).
Also, why wouldn't he try for more kids with May? I've said before, I guarantee that he'd win that argument. He knows that May's given him an incubus before, so if they're so important to him, why doesn't he keep trying?
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 05, 2007, 01:44:56 PMThis is unlikely. One of the conditions of being educated in SAIA is that clan members must set aside their differences while within the Academy - i.e. no violence between 'Cubi. Merlitz is not a 'Cubi so he was fair game.
Or Aniz never went to SAIA and is afraid to send Abel there because their clan was responsible for the `cubi wars and SAIA wants the clan dead or brainwashed. >:3
Quote from: superluser on May 05, 2007, 02:13:41 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 05, 2007, 01:44:56 PMThis is unlikely. One of the conditions of being educated in SAIA is that clan members must set aside their differences while within the Academy - i.e. no violence between 'Cubi. Merlitz is not a 'Cubi so he was fair game.
Or Aniz never went to SAIA and is afraid to send Abel there because their clan was responsible for the `cubi wars and SAIA wants the clan dead or brainwashed. >:3
I was going to add something to that effect but it gets awkward as to why they'd let
Abel into the Academy if his father is public enemy number 1. I'm sure there's an explanation for it, but it makes the theory more complicated.
Quote from: superluser on May 05, 2007, 02:13:41 PM
So knock off a farmer and take over his farm. I think you could find one or two people to help. At the very least, I'd get May out of the picture. Maybe kill May and run off to Zinvth. The creatures there would probably be pretty understanding of his position.
Cantiv seems to be a town full of adventurers. Not exactly the best place for Aniz to hide out.
I combined the above two quotes for convianiance
One knocking off a farm would run into the same problems living solitary would
on a farm he'd be the only one there. If he took over a farmers family to disguise himself that would saddle him with yet anouther wife who would bear absolutly no resemblance to the child and with no reasonable explaniation as to why Abel had wings.
Zinvth wouldn't be safe because While it is demon city thats no garunty it would be freindly to Aniz, If he suddenly showed up with a new born child he'd be noticed by some one, as unsual and that would leave a trace. And with such a diverse population of creatures Aniz could never be sure where the threat was coming from.
Cantiv as an Adventuring town actualy makes perfect sense, Since the adventures are distrustful of outsiders to a degree. Cids backstory there would insulate him from suspicion. If some stranger aproached your town and said that one of the people responsible for keeping it safe for years was realy a monster in disguise who would you belive the hero who was born and raised there or the weird guy who just walked in off the street. Also as an adventuring town he knows the inhabitants are resiliant enough that if his enemies did come looking for him they could put up a decent fight to stave off what they would see as a threat to the whole villiage.
Keeping may alive alows him to keep his entire backstory intact and keep his profile to a minimum.
Quote from: superluser on May 05, 2007, 02:13:41 PM
I'd expect much less so if he kept the act up for 25 years. At that point, she's no longer just a convenient uterus, but someone whom he's called his wife for years. We don't allow people to torture kittens, so why should he be allowed to torture her?
I never said it should be allowed but this might be how this particular clan has kept alive for so long. This could be akin to a family tradition to Aniz. His mom did it like this and her dad did too, and so on and so on. They see the spouse as a means to an end and when the cubi child can no longer be hidden they have no more use for them.
Quote from: superluser on May 05, 2007, 02:13:41 PM
Plus, Cid and Aniz actually look a lot alike. If they were looking for Aniz, and they saw Cid, they'd probably look twice, and that's all the time they'd need to consider using some sort of detection method.
They look alike only in that they are both male cats, this is the same for peple saying Aniz and Ed look alike, they have differnt markings, differnt hieghts and builds probably a host of other things. as we've seen with merlitz's own party detecting disguisedcubi can be hard to do
Quote from: superluser on May 05, 2007, 02:13:41 PM
Not unless May is a creature (or some sort of bird).
Not nessisarily true Enough people thought Dan was a being even with wings that the possibiliting of non creature/bird winged beings are likely, we've also seen other winged anthros who show no imediate sings of belonging to a particular creature race. Off the top of my head I'm tinking of the jet ferret.
Quote from: superluser on May 05, 2007, 02:13:41 PM
Also, why wouldn't he try for more kids with May? I've said before, I guarantee that he'd win that argument. He knows that May's given him an incubus before, so if they're so important to him, why doesn't he keep trying?
Too risky one child is enough of a target and liability more then one and yhe would risk exposure. A second baby born with wings would risk a noticable pattern the magical mutation explination might not cover for a second child born with the Identical mutation. So it would cause far more notice then the one child
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 05, 2007, 01:44:56 PMThis is unlikely. One of the conditions of being educated in SAIA is that clan members must set aside their differences while within the Academy - i.e. no violence between 'Cubi. Merlitz is not a 'Cubi so he was fair game.
Or Aniz never went to SAIA and is afraid to send Abel there because their clan was responsible for the `cubi wars and SAIA wants the clan dead or brainwashed. >:3
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Also a Baby is a fragile thing, while Merlitz wasn't a cubi there was evidance of cubi on cubi violance in the school. an accident could be arrianged or if Some one happened to bring able into an area where the school rules wouldn't protect him. From the lone cubi's perspective it's probably too risky since it would still let to many enemies know of Abels existance
Quote from: thegayhare on May 05, 2007, 02:45:58 PM
Also a Baby is a fragile thing, while Merlitz wasn't a cubi there was evidance of cubi on cubi violance in the school. an accident could be arrianged or if Some one happened to bring able into an area where the school rules wouldn't protect him. From the lone cubi's perspective it's probably too risky since it would still let to many enemies know of Abels existance
Given the strange and terrible things they're taught at the Academy, an accident could be arranged for an adult Abel as well.
Yes, you're right there has been 'Cubi-on-'Cubi violence, but not
murder as far as I know. Fa'Lina managed to unite all the clans who use SAIA on that point, which IIRC from what Amber has said is no small feat. If her students started killing each other she'd go mental.
TGH: Jet ferret had horns, was probably a demon.
Quote from: Kattuccino on May 05, 2007, 03:34:09 PM
TGH: Jet ferret had horns, was probably a demon.
He's a tricky one. I would have said an Angel myself, on account of the feathers. Demonology says demons
usually have leathery wings, so I guess it's not an absolute.
Quote from: Kattuccino on May 05, 2007, 03:34:09 PM
TGH: Jet ferret had horns, was probably a demon.
realy? I didn't bother to check
Oh well I retract my example but still untill Dan's headwings came in no one seemed to suspect him as anytihng other then a being... hell even auryana when she was trying to kill him still seemed to consider him a being.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 05, 2007, 03:25:46 PM
Quote from: thegayhare on May 05, 2007, 02:45:58 PM
Also a Baby is a fragile thing, while Merlitz wasn't a cubi there was evidance of cubi on cubi violance in the school. an accident could be arrianged or if Some one happened to bring able into an area where the school rules wouldn't protect him. From the lone cubi's perspective it's probably too risky since it would still let to many enemies know of Abels existance
Given the strange and terrible things they're taught at the Academy, an accident could be arranged for an adult Abel as well.
Yes, you're right there has been 'Cubi-on-'Cubi violence, but not murder as far as I know. Fa'Lina managed to unite all the clans who use SAIA on that point, which IIRC from what Amber has said is no small feat. If her students started killing each other she'd go mental.
Yes she would. But your thinking about it as if Aniz knows all this. To him these threats could be very very real to him. His clan is small with possibly many enemies and the thought of revealing himself and Abel to them could be too risky in his mind.
Plus Abel would be much easier to kill as a child then as an adult with possible combat and magical training
Quote from: thegayhare on May 05, 2007, 03:52:04 PM
Untill Dan's headwings came in no one seemed to suspect him as anytihng other then a being... hell even auryana when she was trying to kill him still seemed to consider him a being.
That's questionable. We can't really know but my gut feeling is that she thought he was a
rogue 'Cubi. Dan said he wasn't an incubus - her reply was "Don't be silly! Of course you are!" - this was in #303...
immediately before the headwings came in. So I'd say she knew damn well what she was dealing with.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 05, 2007, 03:25:46 PM
Your thinking about it as if Aniz knows all this.
True. Again, I had actually considered that angle but neglected to mention it.
QuotePlus Abel would be much easier to kill as a child then as an adult with possible combat and magical training
True, but I'm sure you could arrange an accident in the magic, combat or HE classes. (Abel must surely have taken HE to find out what it consisted of)
Just wait you kiddies! The answer will be found in the pudding soon! Ohhhoohoohoohoo! :kruger
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 05, 2007, 02:20:10 PM
Quote from: superluser on May 05, 2007, 02:13:41 PMOr Aniz never went to SAIA and is afraid to send Abel there because their clan was responsible for the `cubi wars and SAIA wants the clan dead or brainwashed. >:3
I was going to add something to that effect but it gets awkward as to why they'd let Abel into the Academy if his father is public enemy number 1. I'm sure there's an explanation for it, but it makes the theory more complicated.
Dead or brainwashed. Having people who are familiar with Abel's clan might be useful, for information, messengers, or double agents. Also, Fa'Lina might believe in redemption, so she might want to give them a second chance. Especially since she has pretty good prescience while she's in SAIA.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 05, 2007, 02:45:58 PMOne knocking off a farm would run into the same problems living solitary would on a farm he'd be the only one there.
But the corn pretty much takes care of itself. You go out to get a few turnips every week, and you take the kid along with you. Once he turns ten or so, he's probably good to leave on his own.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 05, 2007, 02:45:58 PMZinvth wouldn't be safe because While it is demon city thats no garunty it would be freindly to Aniz, If he suddenly showed up with a new born child he'd be noticed by some one, as unsual and that would leave a trace. And with such a diverse population of creatures Aniz could never be sure where the threat was coming from.
So Aniz goes to the seedy bar on the outskirts of town, bouncing Abel on his knee. He's sure to get noticed, but not remembered. If he goes incognito and with Abel transformed, he'd be completely anonymous.
But still able to get invited to a few single-parent functions where he could meet someone, read his or her mind, and then decide if he wants to trust that creature--which is much more than he could say for beings.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 05, 2007, 02:45:58 PMCantiv as an Adventuring town actualy makes perfect sense, Since the adventures are distrustful of outsiders to a degree. Cids backstory there would insulate him from suspicion. If some stranger aproached your town and said that one of the people responsible for keeping it safe for years was realy a monster in disguise who would you belive the hero who was born and raised there or the weird guy who just walked in off the street.
I'll bet that replacement happens often enough that they take that stuff very seriously. It probably happened one other time, and the books are still being written about it.
Besides, I'd expect the conversation to go something like the following:
WEIRDO: Hoo! Hee! Cid's really an incubus! His clan marking is under his left bracer!
JUDGE: OK. This guy's nuts. Just show us your wrists, Cid, and we'll execute him for slander.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 05, 2007, 02:45:58 PMI never said it should be allowed but this might be how this particular clan has kept alive for so long. This could be akin to a family tradition to Aniz. His mom did it like this and her dad did too, and so on and so on. They see the spouse as a means to an end and when the cubi child can no longer be hidden they have no more use for them.
Yeah, but the Creature-Being council would probably frown upon that. Like prison time frown.
Notice that Hennya, a creature, is rather freaked out by Aniz's actions. I could totally see the C-B council going along with Aniz having a kid with May and then killing her, but to kill someone that you treated as your wife for 25 years is probably going to be a hard sell. It's not sport, hunting, food, having kids, or anything like that.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 05, 2007, 02:45:58 PMThey look alike only in that they are both male cats
Er...
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/superluser/cidvaniz.jpg)
The ears are a different color, the red in the eyes is a lower color value for Cid, and Cid has a scar. Otherwise, they're virtually identical.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 05, 2007, 02:45:58 PMNot nessisarily true Enough people thought Dan was a being even with wings
Well, all the *beings* thought that he was a being.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 05, 2007, 02:45:58 PMToo risky one child is enough of a target and liability more then one and yhe would risk exposure. A second baby born with wings would risk a noticable pattern the magical mutation explination might not cover for a second child born with the Identical mutation. So it would cause far more notice then the one child
Naw. All Aniz has to do is keep adventuring, and then get drunk one night and threaten to bash someone's head in with a rock if he ever says anything bad about Cid's kids again.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 05, 2007, 04:03:08 PMTrue. Again, I had actually considered that angle but neglected to mention it.
Well, he sure sounds like he's been through SAIA. I'm sure that knowledge of `cubi genetics don't come from some sort of racial memory.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 05, 2007, 04:03:08 PM
Quote from: thegayhare on May 05, 2007, 03:52:04 PM
Untill Dan's headwings came in no one seemed to suspect him as anytihng other then a being... hell even auryana when she was trying to kill him still seemed to consider him a being.
That's questionable. We can't really know but my gut feeling is that she thought he was a rogue 'Cubi. Dan said he wasn't an incubus - her reply was "Don't be silly! Of course you are!" - this was in #303... immediately before the headwings came in. So I'd say she knew damn well what she was dealing with.
I though that Aaryanna thought Dan was an Incubus just because she had just found out that he was Destania's son, before that, I thought that she thought that he was nothing more than a mere Being.
Quote from: superluser on May 05, 2007, 04:39:03 PM
Quote from: thegayhare on May 05, 2007, 02:45:58 PMI never said it should be allowed but this might be how this particular clan has kept alive for so long. This could be akin to a family tradition to Aniz. His mom did it like this and her dad did too, and so on and so on. They see the spouse as a means to an end and when the cubi child can no longer be hidden they have no more use for them.
Yeah, but the Creature-Being council would probably frown upon that. Like prison time frown.
Notice that Hennya, a creature, is rather freaked out by Aniz's actions. I could totally see the C-B council going along with Aniz having a kid with May and then killing her, but to kill someone that you treated as your wife for 25 years is probably going to be a hard sell. It's not sport, hunting, food, having kids, or anything like that.
Um, at the current DMFA Timeline, I think that the Creature-Being Council has only been in existance for two decades........max.
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on May 05, 2007, 04:43:50 PMUm, at the current DMFA Timeline, I think that the Creature-Being Council has only been in existance for two decades........max.
Well, the Zinvth Police Department, then.
*looks up at some of the wingading speculation* umm, I don't really remember, but wasn't the jet incident done BEFORE all this deep stuff about races and real serious continuity heavy plotlines and backgrounds got put in?
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on May 05, 2007, 04:43:50 PM
Um, at the current DMFA Timeline, I think that the Creature-Being Council has only been in existance for two decades........max.
Hmm, that's a new one on me. Do you have a reference for this?
(EDIT: The undead joined the CBC 34 years ago, so something's a little wrong here. If you've got a date, I'd still love to know when the CBC was inaugurated, though)
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on May 05, 2007, 06:10:30 PM
*looks up at some of the wingading speculation* umm, I don't really remember, but wasn't the jet incident done BEFORE all this deep stuff about races and real serious continuity heavy plotlines and backgrounds got put in?
Doubtful. See the archival material from '99-2000 - Amber was planning the whole succubus arc even then.
Quote from: Mwa on May 05, 2007, 04:52:30 AM
... Y'know, DMFA and subcomics are the only comics that actually conjure emotions in me, well done, Amber. <3
~Mwa
You don't read
Jack, do you?
Amber is unmatched when it comes to complex situations, humorous or dramatic. No one does farce better than she does that I know of. But I've never seen anyone get more emotions from his fans than David Hopkins does with
Jack. I've seen people reading it with tears rolling down their face. And I know Manawolf, Goatmon, and the rest of the
Jack fans, and probably Amber too, would agree.
To be honest, Jack tends to make me feel rather detached. Though I'll admit that some of the stories are excellent, I never got any massive emotional response from that comic.
Quote from: Manawolf on May 05, 2007, 03:03:39 AM
Perhaps a cold iron knife to the skull would jog your memory.
Aniz is a Cubi, not a faerie, Iron kills faeries, that would just annoy Aniz not kill him.
In a sharp form, iron tends to be deadly to lots of things.
Quote from: Fuyudenki on May 05, 2007, 12:31:34 PM
He practically admitted it when he whacked May and reverted to his Cubi form, and he asked Abel, "Does this look familiar?" and pointed to the clan mark of a fairly small clan, which I wouldn't expect a lot of to be running around.
All that proves is that he is of the same clan as Abel. In all likelyhood using the KISS model, he is Abel's father, but I thought I'd just mention the possibility that he could be a lacky to watch over Abel while the real father goes and creates more CubiKinder. Heck, if that's the case, Aniz could very well be a half brother placed to watch over him to see if he fully develops. We'll find out whenever Aniz says either "Son" or "Bro" (or maybe even Cousin). To avoid incoming flames, I'll say yes, it's likely Aniz is his father, but I don't feel completely convinced until I see more of their interaction.
Quote from: Fuyudenki on May 05, 2007, 12:31:34 PM
For example, we've only ever seen two(confirmed) cubi from the same clan in the main comic, they're both from a very large, powerful clan(diametric opposite to Abel and Aniz's clan), and Destania is confirmed as Dan's mother. By use of the very mathematically-termed "Squeeze Method," I think it's safe to say Aniz is Abel's father.
I prefer KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) myself. :mowcookie
or Cid and Aniz could be Half-brothers.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 05, 2007, 07:22:25 PM
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on May 05, 2007, 04:43:50 PM
Um, at the current DMFA Timeline, I think that the Creature-Being Council has only been in existance for two decades........max.
Hmm, that's a new one on me. Do you have a reference for this?
(EDIT: The undead joined the CBC 34 years ago, so something's a little wrong here. If you've got a date, I'd still love to know when the CBC was inaugurated, though)
I looked in the Demonology, and it doesn't say anywhere when the Undead joined, or when the CBC was actually formed. And in the note for Rachel-Rebecca the Third, it says that she has been dead for 34 years, yes, and that is also the same time when she won the case for her own murder, and then went on to install the laws against species creation, but I believe that was handeled by the Creature Council, not the CBC. Why? Because, technically, Rachel was a Creature at the time, and her murderer was, by extrapolation, almost certainly an Undead as well, because Rachel came back to life "because of the spell". Furthermore, when Alexei was going over Destania's past, she said that Beings wern't to accepting of Creatures at the time. That was aproximately two decades ago. I highly doubt that it would even be possible for the Creature-Being Council to exist at such a time. The rise of Being technology, and the slight decline of Creature intolerance, all seem to have been happening within the last two decades. I think that the Creature-Being Council is a direct product of that, even though the CBC's *ahem* inefficiency has also resulted in the continued survival of the adventuring business. And in explanation to how the Being world at large would know about the anti-species creation laws if they were made by the shadowed Creature Council, I am
positive that the Creature Council
must have had some involvement, possibly even the main cause of, the Creature-Being Council's formation. I'm sure that the Creatures originally thought that only magic could create new life, but if they saw the rise of Being technology, I'm sure that they would have guessed that magic might not be the only way. Which is why I think that they made sure the anti-species laws were installed and distributed by the Creature-Being Council,
to the Beings. Which is why everyone knows about these laws.
Oh gosh, that was long. Great, I
know I forgot something..... I'll just have to deal with whatever it is if it comes up.
Btw, can anyone give the URL for the "Jack" comic by David Hopkins that has been mentioned? It sounds interesting.
My first thought on reading this:
"Heh. Now we see where Abel gets it from. :) "
And all of this speculation makes my head all hurtey. Though it says much more about the people doin' the speculating than what might happen in the comic. Aniz strikes May ... for reasons still unknown ... and some people respond with, "ZOMG! He's eeeeebil! He's a wife-beater!" Aniz killed the original Cid 25 years ago, and other folks respond to this fact with, "ZOMG! He's kyoot! He must have killed Cid in self-defense." Vewwwy Intewesting... :mowsmile
Me? I see no more than 5 minutes of dialog transpiring between the faked heart attack and the latest strip. And in that time, Aniz' behavior just gets more and more inconsistent with each strip. Makes his motives murkier and murkier to me.
It'll probably take another month or two of updates before we can make much sense of what we're seeing in these past 4 strips, IMNSHO.
Now now..Keep your shorts on..We can find out later kiddys..Dont make much a speculation now
Quote from: Rafe on May 05, 2007, 08:12:56 PM
Quote from: Mwa on May 05, 2007, 04:52:30 AM
... Y'know, DMFA and subcomics are the only comics that actually conjure emotions in me, well done, Amber. <3
~Mwa
You don't read Jack, do you?
Amber is unmatched when it comes to complex situations, humorous or dramatic. No one does farce better than she does that I know of. But I've never seen anyone get more emotions from his fans than David Hopkins does with Jack. I've seen people reading it with tears rolling down their face. And I know Manawolf, Goatmon, and the rest of the Jack fans, and probably Amber too, would agree.
Man, like clockwork!
One day, ONE DAY, someone will talk about another piece of work that's 'filled with the brim with emotion' that isn't Jack.
Because, really guys. They exist. I promise you.
I just think Jack readers should write reviews for other things.
"This pastrami sandwich was utterly divine. I approached the deli with an empty heart, a past filled with nothing but shadows and empty corridors. After experiencing the passion that is this pastrami, I can die a happy man. Never before have I see a deli weave such masterful designs into it's sandwich making, and I've witnessed plenty of people who leave the establishment forever changed, touched by the exquisite taste of that which is the number four pastrami special."
Quote from: Zina on May 05, 2007, 11:20:16 PM
One day, ONE DAY, someone will talk about another piece of work that's 'filled with the brim with emotion' that isn't Jack.
Because, really guys. They exist. I promise you.
http://suicideforhire.comicgenesis.com/
BAM!
Quote from: Netami on May 05, 2007, 11:25:47 PM
I just think Jack readers should write reviews for other things.
"This pastrami sandwich was utterly divine. I approached the deli with an empty heart, a past filled with nothing but shadows and empty coordinators. After experiencing the passion that is this pastrami, I can die a happy man. Never before have I see a deli weave such masterful designs into it's sandwich making, and I've witnessed plenty of people who leave the establishment forever changed, touched by the exquisite taste of that which is the number four pastrami special."
I don't like the sounds of this deli. It sounds far too intense for me.
Quote from: Jim Halisstrad on May 05, 2007, 11:27:03 PM
Quote from: Zina on May 05, 2007, 11:20:16 PM
One day, ONE DAY, someone will talk about another piece of work that's 'filled with the brim with emotion' that isn't Jack.
Because, really guys. They exist. I promise you.
http://suicideforhire.comicgenesis.com/
BAM!
Never heard of it. But the art is nice, so I'll add it to my bookmarks.
Quote from: candide on May 05, 2007, 09:25:37 PM
Me? I see no more than 5 minutes of dialog transpiring between the faked heart attack and the latest strip. And in that time, Aniz' behavior just gets more and more inconsistent with each strip. Makes his motives murkier and murkier to me.
I agree, honestly. I'm hoping Amber's got some horrifically abrupt reveal planned that'll make all the pieces thunk into place so suddenly that it makes our faces melt. :mowhappy
Quote from: Mwa on May 05, 2007, 04:52:30 AM
... Y'know, DMFA and subcomics are the only comics that actually conjure emotions in me, well done, Amber. <3
~Mwa
Is that a challenge?
You appear to imply that Amber or David are the only ones capable a character driven emotionally charged comics.
wait a few weeks and I'll show you better. ( The comic will appear in the tower of art of course.)
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 05, 2007, 07:22:25 PMHmm, that's a new one on me. Do you have a reference for this?
(EDIT: The undead joined the CBC 34 years ago, so something's a little wrong here. If you've got a date, I'd still love to know when the CBC was inaugurated, though)
I had actually been acting under the impression that the CBC was relatively new, as well. Not a few decades, but I'd bet less than 1000 years. Possibly not around during Abel's story. When I said the Creature-Being council before, I meant it more generally, like any judicial body composed of creatures and charged with judging creatures.
Edit: When I first read your post, I started thinking, ``Canadian Broadcasting Corporation?''
Quote from: candide on May 05, 2007, 09:25:37 PMAnd all of this speculation makes my head all hurtey. Though it says much more about the people doin' the speculating than what might happen in the comic. Aniz strikes May ... for reasons still unknown ... and some people respond with, "ZOMG! He's eeeeebil! He's a wife-beater!"
I also don't know why all evil people happen to be wife-beaters.
Just once, I'd like to see James Bond infiltrate SPECTRE's inner sanctum, come face to face with Henry Blofeld, and smack the Bond girl.
And then have Blofeld stop all his evil plans, and look directly at Bond and say, ``You never hit your lover. Never.''
And then have Blofeld call up M and say, ``Listen, M. It's obvious you've found my secret lair. It's over for me. But before I go, you should really get James Bond some sensitivity training. He just slapped a woman!''
For lesser authors, I'd suggest that wife-beating is a tired, hackneyed way of making someone obviously evil. I mean, be creative! Why not have the guy leave claymores for the mailman or something?
I think Amber has other reasons for this, so I'm not accusing her of it.
Quote from: candide on May 05, 2007, 09:25:37 PMMe? I see no more than 5 minutes of dialog transpiring between the faked heart attack and the latest strip.
I did Aniz's lines for strips 84-85 in 24 seconds--including a second take on a sentence. I'd like to see how you could stretch that out to five minutes.
Honestly, I never felt emotionally charged by reading DMFA or Jack. DMFA is too light-hearted and Jack is a comic about life and death but with furries. The humor almost always outweighs the seriousness of any given plot. It's nothing personal, though... I don't think any of the comics I read do that for me, because they're almost all humorous comics; I think I seek out online comics for "teh funny" and not so much the drama/action/philosophy.
Now, music and videos...
You know, as someone who studies genetic engineering, I can say don't think of furries as so laughably unrealistic.
And I just popped in here because I'm avoiding a bit of work to share this incredibly unlikely theory with everyone about how this story is going to go. I say Cid was a cubi too, and as Abel says in comic 602, lots of adventures turned cubi have gone to Saia thinking they could show them who's boss, and been killed. Abel was already conceived though, so Aniz, to care for the young cubi Abel, impersonated Cid for some 25 years.
Yea, plenty of holes with that one, but it meant for the past few minutes I got to stop doing this weird math I was working on tonight. Thanks DMFA!
Quote from: stiletto on May 06, 2007, 01:09:29 AMAnd I just popped in here because I'm avoiding a bit of work to share this incredibly unlikely theory with everyone about how this story is going to go. I say Cid was a cubi too, and as Abel says in comic 602, lots of adventures turned cubi have gone to Saia thinking they could show them who's boss, and been killed. Abel was already conceived though, so Aniz, to care for the young cubi Abel, impersonated Cid for some 25 years.
Here's an entertaining theory--
What if Cid's parents fill out an application for him, and Cid mentions that he has a son. Fa'Lina tells Aniz that he'd better watch the kid, like how Abel is told to tutor Dan. Impersonating Cid for 25 years isn't Aniz's idea of fun, but the alternative is a mad Fa'Lina.
There's something about the idea of Fa'Lina's domineering presence (saccharine voice of malice?) being a constant over hundreds of years that makes me laugh. She must be very good at the job by now.
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on May 05, 2007, 09:23:42 PM
I looked in the Demonology, and it doesn't say anywhere when the Undead joined, or when the CBC was actually formed. And in the note for Rachel-Rebecca the Third, it says that she has been dead for 34 years, yes, and that is also the same time when she won the case for her own murder, and then went on to install the laws
Also, Amber has mentioned that most of the Undead were created at the same time, by the same spell, that Rachel-Rebecca was under the influence of. Or, at least, that's the implication of the line, as I read it.
See the "History" paragraph.
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on May 05, 2007, 09:23:42 PM
against species creation, but I believe that was handeled by the Creature Council, not the CBC. Why? Because, technically, Rachel was a Creature at the time, and her murderer was, by extrapolation, almost certainly an Undead as well, because Rachel came back to life "because of the spell". Furthermore, when Alexei was going over Destania's past, she said that Beings wern't to accepting of Creatures at the time. That was aproximately two decades ago. I highly doubt that it would even be possible for the Creature-Being Council to exist at such a time. The rise of Being technology, and the slight decline of Creature intolerance, all seem to have been happening within the last two decades. I think that the Creature-Being Council is a direct product of that, even though the CBC's *ahem* inefficiency has also resulted in the continued survival of the adventuring business. And in explanation to how the Being world at large would know about the anti-species creation laws if they were made by the shadowed Creature Council, I am positive that the Creature Council must have had some involvement, possibly even the main cause of, the Creature-Being Council's formation. I'm sure that the Creatures originally thought that only magic could create new life, but if they saw the rise of Being technology, I'm sure that they would have guessed that magic might not be the only way. Which is why I think that they made sure the anti-species laws were installed and distributed by the Creature-Being Council, to the Beings. Which is why everyone knows about these laws.
Oh gosh, that was long. Great, I know I forgot something..... I'll just have to deal with whatever it is if it comes up.
Btw, can anyone give the URL for the "Jack" comic by David Hopkins that has been mentioned? It sounds interesting.
www.pholph.com
Quote from: Jim Halisstrad on May 05, 2007, 11:27:03 PM
http://suicideforhire.comicgenesis.com/
Bwahahahahahaha! Well done, there. You win the Internet, but just for a day. :-]
Quote from: superluser on May 06, 2007, 12:05:39 AM
Not a few decades, but I'd bet less than 1000 years. Possibly not around during Abel's story. When I said the Creature-Being council before, I meant it more generally, like any judicial body composed of creatures and charged with judging creatures.
That's the kind of organisation I'm interested in, and I'd like to think the CBC, or some comparable organisation with a similar name, predates the undead affair. (Otherwise I'll have to tweak my stories >:3)
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on May 05, 2007, 09:23:42 PM
I looked in the Demonology, and it doesn't say anywhere when the Undead joined, or when the CBC was actually formed. And in the note for Rachel-Rebecca the Third, it says that she has been dead for 34 years, yes, and that is also the same time when she won the case for her own murder, and then went on to install the laws against species creation, but I believe that was handeled by the Creature Council, not the CBC.
Urf. Gotta edit the wiki. Thanks for catching that.
QuoteFurthermore, when Alexei was going over Destania's past, she said that Beings wern't to accepting of Creatures at the time. That was aproximately two decades ago. I highly doubt that it would even be possible for the Creature-Being Council to exist at such a time.
I wouldn't say that... think of Zinvth. In fact, I think most cities have some kind of Creature protector, and therefore a grudging tolerance of Creatures (if not precisely acceptance) so the idea of some kind of legal council for Beings against Creatures within that environment seems a fairly natural progression.
Akaen (622 years old) is described as the current Angel delegate, which implies that he's replaced someone else. I'm not quite sure what this implies, since it might be a rotating system with a new delegate every year or something.
QuoteThe rise of Being technology, and the slight decline of Creature intolerance, all seem to have been happening within the last two decades.
It's reached what the Creatures might called "danger point" within the last 25 years, but #286 says "over time this gap has come more and more narrow", not "a couple of decades ago". As for Lost Lake, I would be inclined to believe that the attitude between Creatures and Beings varies from place to place.
QuoteI think that the Creature-Being Council is a direct product of that, even though the CBC's *ahem* inefficiency has also resulted in the continued survival of the adventuring business.
Actually it seems to be saying it was a big boost to the Adventuring industry. Difficult to say what to make of that, when you consider Glory and company 400 years ago.
QuoteAnd in explanation to how the Being world at large would know about the anti-species creation laws if they were made by the shadowed Creature Council, I am positive that the Creature Council must have had some involvement, possibly even the main cause of, the Creature-Being Council's formation.
Oh, I agree. I'd just like to know
when >:3
Quote from: stiletto on May 06, 2007, 01:09:29 AM
Abel says in comic 602, lots of adventures turned cubi have gone to Saia thinking they could show them who's boss, and been killed.
It doesn't say what happened to them, but I highly doubt they were all killed. Forcibly restrained and reeducated is far more likely IMHO. After all it's something they're going to be looking out for... even non-adventuring 'Cubi are likely to freak out somewhat, and say four trained 'Cubi guards wrapping their tentacles around a single crazed individual should be enough to pin them down without too much damage for either side. And that's ignoring the idea of stun spells.
Anyway, the whole point of SAIA is to
increase survival rates for young 'Cubi. If SAIA had a high mortality rate for newbies -
for any reason - word would get out that they were being taught things they couldn't cope with, rumours would start that Fa'Lina was nuts and had them killed out of hand, and the Clans would start to think it was safer to teach their young themselves. No more applicants for SAIA...
Aniz is a glipe, there's no other way to put it. seems quite a pleasant chap too, except for the whole killing-impersonating-nose-punching part.
Similarities between him and Abel are so very, very obvious. I'm digging this groove.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 06, 2007, 07:33:41 AM
It doesn't say what happened to them, but I highly doubt they were all killed. Forcibly restrained and reeducated is far more likely IMHO. After all it's something they're going to be looking out for... even non-adventuring 'Cubi are likely to freak out somewhat, and say four trained 'Cubi guards wrapping their tentacles around a single crazed individual should be enough to pin them down without too much damage for either side. And that's ignoring the idea of stun spells.
"Smacked down and laughed at" seems more in Fa'Linas' style...
.. At least, according to strip 589 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_589.php) or so...
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 06, 2007, 09:15:47 AM
"Smacked down and laughed at" seems more in Fa'Linas' style...
It has to be noted that Dan was unarmed, although I do agree. If a young student faced her down with a weapon, yelling "let me out of here or I swear I'll kill you!", she'd probably do exactly the same to him even then.
But if you had a panicking 'Cubi warrior running down the corridors with a big sword, that would probably call for something a bit more drastic, at least until they'd calmed them down.
Quote from: superluser on May 06, 2007, 12:05:39 AM
Quote from: candide on May 05, 2007, 09:25:37 PMAnd all of this speculation makes my head all hurtey. Though it says much more about the people doin' the speculating than what might happen in the comic. Aniz strikes May ... for reasons still unknown ... and some people respond with, "ZOMG! He's eeeeebil! He's a wife-beater!"
I also don't know why all evil people happen to be wife-beaters.
:
:
I think Amber has other reasons for this, so I'm not accusing her of it.
Weeell... it does now look highly incongruous. Almost like Aniz was trying to backhand May but hit her too hard.
And my comment was more about seeing how others were reading things into a single slap across the face, the intent and intended force of which are still quite unknown. Tends to say a lot about the readers doin' the reacting, and where their sensitivities lie, no? ;)
Quote from: superluser on May 06, 2007, 12:05:39 AM
Quote from: candide on May 05, 2007, 09:25:37 PMMe? I see no more than 5 minutes of dialog transpiring between the faked heart attack and the latest strip.
I did Aniz's lines for strips 84-85 in 24 seconds--including a second take on a sentence. I'd like to see how you could stretch that out to five minutes.
Yup. I was just putting an upper-upper limit estimate on the transpired action from #83-#86.
Even though it takes
us 3 weeks to see all of this, things
inside the story are moving rather rapidly, ne?
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 06, 2007, 09:15:47 AM
"Smacked down and laughed at" seems more in Fa'Linas' style...
.. At least, according to strip 589 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_589.php) or so...
I dunno, that probably depends on the stun efficiency of the average musical number... ;)
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 06, 2007, 09:32:45 AM
It has to be noted that Dan was unarmed, although I do agree. If a young student faced her down with a weapon, yelling "let me out of here or I swear I'll kill you!", she'd probably do exactly the same to him even then.
But if you had a panicking 'Cubi warrior running down the corridors with a big sword, that would probably call for something a bit more drastic, at least until they'd calmed them down.
... what, trip, slap, smack, "no running in the halls, boys" isn't enough to take the wind out of just about any young Cubi's sails?
Perhaps I have an excessive idea of what Fa'Lina might consider "reasonable force" for that particular situation... :-]
Quote from: SpottedKitty on May 06, 2007, 12:45:28 PM
I dunno, that probably depends on the stun efficiency of the average musical number... ;)
Bwahahahahahaha :-) You, my friend, just won the Internet. At least for today. I think.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 06, 2007, 07:33:41 AM
Oh, I agree. I'd just like to know when >:3
Yeah, once again, just like in the "Who in the Lost Lake knows that Pyroduck is a Dragon?"(ONLY Abel and Fa'Lina, btw) situation, there is only one way to solve this...
*deep breath*
Oy, Amber! When was the Creature-Being Council actually formed? And was it before, or after, the Undead affair?
(wow, second request for Amber to post in about a week....... oh dear gods I hope I'm not being obnoxious.... :sweatdrop)
Quote from: candide on May 06, 2007, 12:15:36 PMAnd my comment was more about seeing how others were reading things into a single slap across the face, the intent and intended force of which are still quite unknown.
Er...uh, I don't think that ``I only intended to slap her a little bit'' holds much water.
Also, I'm not über-powerful, and the last time I got into fisticuffs was in preschool, but I think I'd know how hard I'd have to slap someone to get her to bleed, and how hard I'd have to slap someone to have the effect of ``I just slapped you,'' and they're worlds apart.
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on May 06, 2007, 02:04:06 PM
Yeah, once again, just like in the "Who in the Lost Lake knows that Pyroduck is a Dragon?"(ONLY Abel and Fa'Lina, btw) situation, there is only one way to solve this...
*deep breath*
Oy, Amber! When was the Creature-Being Council actually formed? And was it before, or after, the Undead affair?
I am not your magic 8 ball. Stop shaking me.
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 06, 2007, 02:11:10 PM
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on May 06, 2007, 02:04:06 PM
Yeah, once again, just like in the "Who in the Lost Lake knows that Pyroduck is a Dragon?"(ONLY Abel and Fa'Lina, btw) situation, there is only one way to solve this...
*deep breath*
Oy, Amber! When was the Creature-Being Council actually formed? And was it before, or after, the Undead affair?
I am not your magic 8 ball. Stop shaking me.
Don't think of it as being an 8-ball. Think of it as a courteous shakedown.
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 06, 2007, 02:11:10 PM
I am not your magic 8 ball. Stop shaking me.
I know, and that's why I said I hope I'm not being obnoxious, which, apparently, I am. I apologize. :<
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 06, 2007, 02:11:10 PM
I am not your magic 8 ball. Stop shaking me.
How about bribery? Can we politely step up and bribe you into answering? :-]
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 06, 2007, 02:11:10 PMI am not your magic 8 ball. Stop shaking me.
Ah, the smackdown. How I have known thee.
On a related note, Never,
Never shake Amber (http://www.hhs.state.ne.us/protectachild/shakenbaby.htm).
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/superluser/dontshakeamber.jpg)
(atrocious layout and typography aped from original)
(Is T-G what I looked like when I first joined? Is...that what I still sound like?)
Quote from: Damaris on May 05, 2007, 12:10:45 PM
I'm thinking that Aniz is ebil, and this is his ebil genius speech. Honestly, though- why would he care to be flat out evil toward this group. It's two beings and a very immature cubi- they can't do anything to him. I see his mood swings more as a cat playing with a mouse. He's having his fun, getting his kicks, and will eventually decide to either let them go because they're not fun anymore, or kill them. It's not like they're major players, so he doesn't really have to take them seriously.
Look I have to said is that Aniz failed his class in Monolog 101 in villian school...
Aniz is ebil and 25 years is not a long time to a Cubi. He must be feeding gleefully on the fear and confusion of May and Abel... he is enjoying this feast he has been cooking and working on for 25 years...
Amber just give him the answer "ask again later or you'll see soon enough".
:mowcookie
PBH
Oh, god YES! I know exactly how you feel, Aniz. It seems the longer you spend preparing a speech, the faster you forget it when you actually go to give it. I believe, though, that what you were thinking was something along the lines of explaining about your final, epic battle with Cid, and how you absorbed his dying mind (as is the Cubi way), but something gave you pause, and you came to take his place, and now you have come to feel the same way for May as Cid did, and you want to whisk her off to a luxurious resort you have up on top of a mountain far away, where you and she can raise dozens of cubi children together, including one by the name of Destiana!
Quote from: thegayhare on May 05, 2007, 01:34:03 PM
First hiding able away.
For most most of his life up until this point Abel was as vulnerable as any being, he required food and sleep. Things an older cubi would no longer be as accustomed to as beings. he'd be forced to leave to provide food leaving the child vulnerable till he got back. Second living a solitary life if any enemy discoverd Aniz nearby and located his lar Abel being the only other thing there would also be instantly discovered.
As for taking Abel to Saia,
I'd say He wouldn't want to risk it for 2 major reasons
1. even though Abel was bor with wins he might not have ended up fully cubi, the fact that he had wins was enough to keep Aniz there or not trying again though so it was a good bet but there was still the off chance.
Hum. I'm fairly sure that Dan didn't eat normally even before he had his head-wings. Wasn't there a joke about him having survived on alcohol for years? It seems logical, then, to assume that he ate because it was what you
do at mealtimes and the slept because that's what you
do at nighttime. Not because he actually needed to.
And I'm pretty sure that Amber stepped on the 'half-cubi' idea. I may have missed some more recent statement, but didn't she say that you either are or are not, no in between?
The fact that no one else has pointed these out suggests that I'm wrong, but I'm not so sure.
Quote from: Eibbor_N on May 06, 2007, 03:17:28 PM
And I'm pretty sure that Amber stepped on the 'half-cubi' idea. I may have missed some more recent statement, but didn't she say that you either are or are not, no in between?
The fact that no one else has pointed these out suggests that I'm wrong, but I'm not so sure.
Actually, it HAS been pointed out. Many. Times. So many times that poeple don't seem to bother with it anymore.
"Aniz~ How shall I go on? What shall I do?"
"...frankly my dear I don't give a damn."
*thwack*
</now it's out of my head, I'm outta here>
Quote from: Aleolus on May 06, 2007, 02:43:37 PMyou and she can raise dozens of cubi children together, including one by the name of Destiana!
I'm sure that will get confusing for Dan, having his tutor's sister named Destiana, and having his mother named Destania.
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on May 05, 2007, 10:12:01 AM
Quote from: Netami on May 05, 2007, 06:38:27 AM
Quote from: Zaon on May 05, 2007, 05:22:27 AM
DON'T KILL ANIZ
KILL ANIZ
Oh God, somebody PLEASE make one of those icons where it switches from "Kill Aniz!" to "DON'T Kill Aniz." XD
~Keaton the Black Jackal
:) I'm on it.
((edit: removed some excess quote tree. Trim, trim, trim. -- llearch ))
Quote from: Moonfrost on May 06, 2007, 04:28:33 PM
:) I'm on it.
Oh, this'll be interesting.
In other cases, random cat! :januscat
((edit: quote tree needed pruning. -- llearch ))
Quote from: Psychogirl on May 06, 2007, 04:39:12 PM
Oh, this'll be interesting.
In other cases, random cat! :januscat
Just cuz I want in on this too...
Sodomize Aniz with an electric prod like Reynaud did to Mello in DFH(Destruction Force Hyper), THEN kill him!
((edit: *prune* -- llearch ))
(http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/8333/killanizvc6.gif)<-- it took me... a whole 12 mins to do that XD
May's face was just too perfect. XD
15mins + Photoshop + ImageReady + Imageshack = FTW! :)
Damn... I've modified this post like, 6 7 8 times already XD
Quote from: Eibbor_N on May 06, 2007, 03:17:28 PM
And I'm pretty sure that Amber stepped on the 'half-cubi' idea. I may have missed some more recent statement, but didn't she say that you either are or are not, no in between?
Yes you either are or you arn't but a cubi I'm saying that being born with wings might not mean your a cubi. It increases the chance of being a cubi but there could still be a chance that the headwings never come in
Quote from: superluser on May 06, 2007, 02:23:40 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 06, 2007, 02:11:10 PMI am not your magic 8 ball. Stop shaking me.
Ah, the smackdown. How I have known thee.
On a related note, Never, Never shake Amber (http://www.hhs.state.ne.us/protectachild/shakenbaby.htm).
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/superluser/dontshakeamber.jpg)
(atrocious layout and typography aped from original)
(Is T-G what I looked like when I first joined? Is...that what I still sound like?)
:giggle Funny. I'll -try- and make a better one for you. :P
Quote from: Moonfrost on May 06, 2007, 04:45:36 PM
(http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/8333/killanizvc6.gif)<-- it took me... a whole 12 mins to do that XD
May's face was just too perfect. XD
15mins + Photoshop + ImageReady + Imageshack = FTW! :)
Damn... I've modified this post like, 6 7 8 times already XD
Kewels! Now teh forum topic iz complete! (unless you all have something else to say...)
Anyhow..I do hope we done with shaking Amber...Cause more you shake..The more she will bite!
Quote from: Zedd on May 06, 2007, 05:03:27 PM
Anyhow..I do hope we done with shaking Amber...Cause more you shake..The more she will bite!
True 'dat! The great Amber must never be shaken!
Nevah I tellz yah! NEVAH!!
Damn, I forgot where to find that picture of..errr... whatever Amber may be at the time X_x
Quote from: Moonfrost on May 06, 2007, 04:55:25 PMFunny. I'll -try- and make a better one for you. :P
Remember, it's a parody, so the use of Helvetica (...well, Eurostile, something very similar) in all-caps, the fact that the spacing is too tight to the right of the red words and too loose to the left (not to mention the weird idea to emphasize a word by making it an italicized red), the bizarre capitalization at the bottom and the strange layout are all aspects of the original (http://www.hhs.state.ne.us/protectachild/docs/ShakenBaby11X17Poster.pdf).
Quote from: Moonfrost on May 06, 2007, 05:11:57 PMDamn, I forgot where to find that picture of..errr... whatever Amber may be at the time X_x
What picture? The one that I used came from her signature.
Ohhh! Duh. I'm friggin stupid :<
Quote from: superluser on May 05, 2007, 04:39:03 PM
Quote from: thegayhare on May 05, 2007, 02:45:58 PMZinvth wouldn't be safe because While it is demon city thats no garunty it would be freindly to Aniz, If he suddenly showed up with a new born child he'd be noticed by some one, as unsual and that would leave a trace. And with such a diverse population of creatures Aniz could never be sure where the threat was coming from.
So Aniz goes to the seedy bar on the outskirts of town, bouncing Abel on his knee. He's sure to get noticed, but not remembered. If he goes incognito and with Abel transformed, he'd be completely anonymous.
But still able to get invited to a few single-parent functions where he could meet someone, read his or her mind, and then decide if he wants to trust that creature--which is much more than he could say for beings.
Yes because transformation magic is just so safe and painless people are remolding infants left and right. Transforming a person isn't exactly safe when there are an adult as Amber has said. Plus as we've seen with the Kira's story constant use and exposure to a spell or magical effect can have long term repercusions. So It would be rather stupid to force a risky magical procedure on a vulnerable child for several years. and As Merlitz's group has proven transformational magic can be detected rather readily if you know how and a city full of magical creatures would mean you'd be bumping into people who could potentualy notice 20 times a day.
Quote from: superluser on May 05, 2007, 04:39:03 PM
Quote from: thegayhare on May 05, 2007, 02:45:58 PMCantiv as an Adventuring town actualy makes perfect sense, Since the adventures are distrustful of outsiders to a degree. Cids backstory there would insulate him from suspicion. If some stranger aproached your town and said that one of the people responsible for keeping it safe for years was realy a monster in disguise who would you belive the hero who was born and raised there or the weird guy who just walked in off the street.
I'll bet that replacement happens often enough that they take that stuff very seriously. It probably happened one other time, and the books are still being written about it.
Besides, I'd expect the conversation to go something like the following:
WEIRDO: Hoo! Hee! Cid's really an incubus! His clan marking is under his left bracer!
JUDGE: OK. This guy's nuts. Just show us your wrists, Cid, and we'll execute him for slander.
First the example is rather rediculus. since the location of a clan mark varies from cubi to cubi
Second you assume that the substitution thing is something thats well known. Heyena's a creature and her knowlage of Cubi was fairly nil, May grew up in an adventuring village and had never heard of them. In the Cubi Cokoo case how I'd say it's just as likely that when the fact that a cubi child can no longer be disguised any witnesses are killed including the being parent the home destroyed and made to look like a creature attack while the kid is spirited away
Quote from: superluser on May 05, 2007, 04:39:03 PM
Quote from: thegayhare on May 05, 2007, 02:45:58 PMI never said it should be allowed but this might be how this particular clan has kept alive for so long. This could be akin to a family tradition to Aniz. His mom did it like this and her dad did too, and so on and so on. They see the spouse as a means to an end and when the cubi child can no longer be hidden they have no more use for them.
Yeah, but the Creature-Being council would probably frown upon that. Like prison time frown.
Notice that Hennya, a creature, is rather freaked out by Aniz's actions. I could totally see the C-B council going along with Aniz having a kid with May and then killing her, but to kill someone that you treated as your wife for 25 years is probably going to be a hard sell. It's not sport, hunting, food, having kids, or anything like that.
Well the being side would definitly frown on it, if they ever find out (see my above statement), but as for the creature side I easily see a "So let him pay the fine and lets get on with things" statement. Since our example of how the council works didn't seem that fair and just.
As for Hennya well she's probably not a good example of creatures as a whole now besides her knowlage of cubi was rather limited
Quote from: superluser on May 05, 2007, 04:39:03 PM
Quote from: thegayhare on May 05, 2007, 02:45:58 PMToo risky one child is enough of a target and liability more then one and yhe would risk exposure. A second baby born with wings would risk a noticable pattern the magical mutation explination might not cover for a second child born with the Identical mutation. So it would cause far more notice then the one child
Naw. All Aniz has to do is keep adventuring, and then get drunk one night and threaten to bash someone's head in with a rock if he ever says anything bad about Cid's kids again.
that doesn't make any sense at all
Two children with Identical mutaions would invalidate the adventuring related magical mutation and him going ape on some sod in a bar would only cause roumors to spread faster.
One is beliviable as an accident two is not
Quote from: superluser on May 05, 2007, 04:39:03 PM
Well, he sure sounds like he's been through SAIA. I'm sure that knowledge of `cubi genetics don't come from some sort of racial memory.
No he doesn't he hasn't stated anything that would seem to require a saia level education. His mention of Cubi genetics existed solely of the most basic possible sort. the sort of thing you'd learn in a health class. I mean He's a cubi so it had to be the mother or the father... that sort of inferance doesn't require advanced degrees especialy when you know ahead of time that your the cubi parent
:) I kinda like this one actually:
(http://img243.imageshack.us/img243/3681/nevershakeamberas6.gif)
:giggle :boogie
This is what happens when I'm bored.
-EDIT- Unfortunately I don't have Helvetica on my computer, and I'm too lazy to download it and fix what I see wrong with it :P
-EDIT EDIT- I'm in the mood to make things sorta-animated X_x
Quote from: Moonfrost on May 06, 2007, 04:45:36 PM
(http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/8333/killanizvc6.gif)<-- it took me... a whole 12 mins to do that XD
May's face was just too perfect. XD
15mins + Photoshop + ImageReady + Imageshack = FTW! :)
Damn... I've modified this post like, 6 7 8 times already XD
You are my personal hero. For real. :boogie
~Keaton the Black Jackal
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on May 06, 2007, 06:05:39 PM
Quote from: Moonfrost on May 06, 2007, 04:45:36 PM
(http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/8333/killanizvc6.gif)<-- it took me... a whole 12 mins to do that XD
May's face was just too perfect. XD
15mins + Photoshop + ImageReady + Imageshack = FTW! :)
Damn... I've modified this post like, 6 7 8 times already XD
You are my personal hero. For real. :boogie
~Keaton the Black Jackal
Woohoo! :boogie
Quote from: Moonfrost on May 06, 2007, 05:44:48 PMhttp://img243.imageshack.us/img243/3681/nevershakeamberas6.gif
Whoa.
https://www.healthservices.gov.bc.ca/cpa/publications/baby_crying.pdf
How many versions of the ``Never Shake a Baby'' campaign are there? There's one in Wisconsin, one in British Columbia, one in New York, one in Nebraska...why don't they all get together and form a unified campaign across the country?
Quote from: Moonfrost on May 06, 2007, 05:44:48 PM-EDIT- Unfortunately I don't have Helvetica on my computer, and I'm too lazy to download it and fix what I see wrong with it :P
You don't have Helvetica? Not even Nimbus Sans (a Helvetica clone)? I think both Macintosh and Windows come with it, and every version of Linux that I've seen has Nimbus Sans.
Quote from: Eibbor_N on May 06, 2007, 03:17:28 PMHum. I'm fairly sure that Dan didn't eat normally even before he had his head-wings. Wasn't there a joke about him having survived on alcohol for years?
That was only reciently.. think of it like a baby... when they are really young they need formula because they don't know what to do with a hamburger...
I assume that "Feeding" off of emotions starts out as a passive ability because both Able and Dan slowly started to not need to eat, and didn't know it. Perhaps sleeping is a well... and they just slowly stop needing to sleep as much
*shrugs*
Quote from: superluser on May 06, 2007, 06:13:21 PM
Quote from: Moonfrost on May 06, 2007, 05:44:48 PMhttp://img243.imageshack.us/img243/3681/nevershakeamberas6.gif
Whoa.
https://www.healthservices.gov.bc.ca/cpa/publications/baby_crying.pdf
How many versions of the ``Never Shake a Baby'' campaign are there? There's one in Wisconsin, one in British Columbia, one in New York, one in Nebraska...why don't they all get together and form a unified campaign across the country?
I think its stupid that its even needed.. I mean.. COMMON SENCE
What kinda moron thinks is OK to shake something that can't even lift its own head!?
Quote from: superluser on May 06, 2007, 02:04:31 PM
Quote from: candide on May 06, 2007, 12:15:36 PMAnd my comment was more about seeing how others were reading things into a single slap across the face, the intent and intended force of which are still quite unknown.
Er...uh, I don't think that ``I only intended to slap her a little bit'' holds much water.
Nnnnor was saying that it did.
There is a continuum of force, though. You can slap someone lightly, or backhand someone, or flat-out strike them. Or you can break their nose. My point is that we don't know why Aniz slapped May. Nor do we know if Aniz wanted to break May's nose, or just didn't care how forcefully he hit her.
It certainly wasn't nice, though. Then again, 'cubi
are supposed to be cruel...
Quote from: superluser on May 06, 2007, 06:13:21 PM
Quote from: Moonfrost on May 06, 2007, 05:44:48 PMhttp://img243.imageshack.us/img243/3681/nevershakeamberas6.gif
Whoa.
https://www.healthservices.gov.bc.ca/cpa/publications/baby_crying.pdf
How many versions of the ``Never Shake a Baby'' campaign are there? There's one in Wisconsin, one in British Columbia, one in New York, one in Nebraska...why don't they all get together and form a unified campaign across the country?
Quote from: Moonfrost on May 06, 2007, 05:44:48 PM-EDIT- Unfortunately I don't have Helvetica on my computer, and I'm too lazy to download it and fix what I see wrong with it :P
You don't have Helvetica? Not even Nimbus Sans (a Helvetica clone)? I think both Macintosh and Windows come with it, and every version of Linux that I've seen has Nimbus Sans.
Nope. Apparently my computer is special. Half the fonts on here don't even work :P
I need a new computer XD
Quote from: thegayhare on May 06, 2007, 05:26:45 PMTransforming a person isn't exactly safe when there are an adult as Amber has said. Plus as we've seen with the Kira's story constant use and exposure to a spell or magical effect can have long term repercusions. So It would be rather stupid to force a risky magical procedure on a vulnerable child for several years. and As Merlitz's group has proven transformational magic can be detected rather readily if you know how and a city full of magical creatures would mean you'd be bumping into people who could potentualy notice 20 times a day.
I remember Amber saying that sex change was dangerous--even if you're not using any transformation magic, but not that transformation itself was dangerous, just painful. I could easily be wrong.
And he wouldn't have to do it for any extended period of time--just once, to figure out one or two people whom he could trust, and then get rid of the transformation.
I'm not sure that too many creatures would pay mind to a guy with a transformed kid at some seedy bar. Transformed people probably roll through places like that on a regular basis. The barflies have probably learned to ignore them by now.
This is also ignoring the fact that you'd probably set up any babysitting services beforehand.
You go into Zinvth when you're supposed to be adventuring, find some people whom you think you can trust, do thorough background checks, and stick around for a few years (Three years would be the equivalent of a week and a half to us) to make sure. Then you go out, knock May up, and kill her. Then you take the kid back to Zinvth with the friends and start living the life of a hermit.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 06, 2007, 05:26:45 PMFirst the example is rather rediculus. since the location of a clan mark varies from cubi to cubi
We're assuming that the weirdo knows Aniz. If he knows him to be an incubus, and Aniz hates bracers as much as he seems to, he would have seen the mark on his arm.
The first thing I'd say if I were the judge would be, ``OK. Then where's his clan marking?'' And the weirdo would tell him. If the marking were on his naughty bits, the judge might just tell them all to go home, since the weirdo obviously just wants to see Cid naked. But on the forearm...
Quote from: thegayhare on May 06, 2007, 05:26:45 PMSecond you assume that the substitution thing is something thats well known. Heyena's a creature and her knowlage of Cubi was fairly nil, May grew up in an adventuring village and had never heard of them.
1.) I think most adventurers don't bring work home. May probably didn't talk much about Cid's adventuring with other adventurers, and Cid certainly wasn't going to talk about `cubi to her.
2.) Hennya knew practically nothing about `cubi, *but* she knew the substitution thing. So it must be one of the first things you find out.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 06, 2007, 05:26:45 PMIn the Cubi Cokoo case how I'd say it's just as likely that when the fact that a cubi child can no longer be disguised any witnesses are killed including the being parent the home destroyed and made to look like a creature attack while the kid is spirited away
I think the Zinvth police would have something to say about making creatures look more violent and random than they really are.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 06, 2007, 05:26:45 PMWell the being side would definitly frown on it, if they ever find out (see my above statement), but as for the creature side I easily see a "So let him pay the fine and lets get on with things" statement. Since our example of how the council works didn't seem that fair and just.
Perhaps not, but given *how* upset Hennya is getting, I think this would seem like a serious offense to any judicial creature who doesn't want the beings to revolt or go on strike. Not just a traffic infraction, but the sort of crime where you wind up in a cell with the cast of Deliverance.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 06, 2007, 05:26:45 PMTwo children with Identical mutaions would invalidate the adventuring related magical mutation and him going ape on some sod in a bar would only cause roumors to spread faster.
One is beliviable as an accident two is not
Three times is enemy action? :smack Sorry.
Really, if it were a genetic mutation, wouldn't we expect it to be permanent? All of his kids should have wings, then, and no one could be expected to think otherwise.
Besides, he's been in Zinvth since Abel was in first grade. That's still more than enough time to have two or three more kids, even if you space them out.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 06, 2007, 05:26:45 PMNo he doesn't he hasn't stated anything that would seem to require a saia level education. His mention of Cubi genetics existed solely of the most basic possible sort. the sort of thing you'd learn in a health class. I mean He's a cubi so it had to be the mother or the father... that sort of inferance doesn't require advanced degrees especialy when you know ahead of time that your the cubi parent
You said that Aniz might not know that SAIA is a violence-free zone. I'm simply saying that he seems to know enough about `cubi that he probably knows that SAIA is OK.
Unless SAIA wants his clan dead.
Quote from: candide on May 06, 2007, 06:23:42 PMIt certainly wasn't nice, though. Then again, 'cubi are supposed to be cruel...
Are they supposed to be cruel?
Anyways, I thought I'd point out that the ``The incubus killed Cid in self-defense'' theory has been around since before Aniz slapped May.
Well, now that we're back on topic...
Aniz's forgetfulness reminds me of myself. You take time to plan your response, and when the time comes, you just completely blank out.
That doesn't just happen for speeches either, I blank out even on the most simple of subjct matter. Heck, I even forget names of objects at times!
*Me: Say, can I borrow your... um... that thing you write with...*
*Random person: Pen?*
*Me: Yeah, that.*
Quote from: Psychogirl on May 06, 2007, 07:38:52 PM
Well, now that we're back on topic...
Aniz's forgetfulness reminds me of myself. You take time to plan your response, and when the time comes, you just completely blank out.
That doesn't just happen for speeches either, I blank out even on the most simple of subjct matter. Heck, I even forget names of objects at times!
*Me: Say, can I borrow your... um... that thing you write with...*
*Random person: Pen?*
*Me: Yeah, that.*
Wait, what happens if the person gives you a bogus answer? Like...
Quote
*Me: Say, can I borrow your... um... that thing you write with...*
*Random person: Candy bar?*
What happens then?
Quote from: Fuyudenki on May 06, 2007, 07:42:07 PM
Quote from: Psychogirl on May 06, 2007, 07:38:52 PM
Well, now that we're back on topic...
Aniz's forgetfulness reminds me of myself. You take time to plan your response, and when the time comes, you just completely blank out.
That doesn't just happen for speeches either, I blank out even on the most simple of subjct matter. Heck, I even forget names of objects at times!
*Me: Say, can I borrow your... um... that thing you write with...*
*Random person: Pen?*
*Me: Yeah, that.*
Wait, what happens if the person gives you a bogus answer? Like...
Quote
*Me: Say, can I borrow your... um... that thing you write with...*
*Random person: Candy bar?*
What happens then?
I'm not that stupid. I'll know if they got it wrong.
I'll end up getting the answer myself, eventually. My brain's just slow, not dead.
Quote from: candide on May 06, 2007, 06:23:42 PM
It certainly wasn't nice, though. Then again, 'cubi are supposed to be cruel...
Cubi? Cruel?
Not all cubi are bad. There are those who do good things, just as much as there are those who do bad things, and others who do what they need to do.
Pretty much like us humans. There are those who deserve praise, and those who deserve to get smacked.
Quote from: superluser on May 06, 2007, 07:35:39 PM
I remember Amber saying that sex change was dangerous--even if you're not using any transformation magic, but not that transformation itself was dangerous, just painful. I could easily be wrong.
And he wouldn't have to do it for any extended period of time--just once, to figure out one or two people whom he could trust, and then get rid of the transformation.
I'm not sure that too many creatures would pay mind to a guy with a transformed kid at some seedy bar. Transformed people probably roll through places like that on a regular basis. The barflies have probably learned to ignore them by now.
This is also ignoring the fact that you'd probably set up any babysitting services beforehand.
You go into Zinvth when you're supposed to be adventuring, find some people whom you think you can trust, do thorough background checks, and stick around for a few years (Three years would be the equivalent of a week and a half to us) to make sure. Then you go out, knock May up, and kill her. Then you take the kid back to Zinvth with the friends and start living the life of a hermit.
First off why? Why bother to move? Why take the risk moving? Why risk drawing attention by killing a woman and taking the child? A dead woman and missing child draw alot of attention. Why risk exposing yourself to others? Even if they are trust worthy there is always a chance of leaks, and transforming Abel back would involve risk for anyone looking for a missing infant. How many infants do you see in seedy bars everyday transformed or not? Besides how do we even know Aniz has the ability to transform others. Again if he's trying to keep alow profile moving to Zinvth is the last thing he'd want I mean there could be demons, dragons, angels, mythos, and other cubi with no way to tell who is freind and who is foe. And again living as a hermit is to risky because it's harder to blend in if there is nothing to blend into.
Why go to all that extra effort, take all that unnessisary risk when it's much easier to simply stay put where you have an established cover story, are efectivly masked from from suspision by your standing in the community and have some one with a vested intrest in helping you raise the child
Quote from: superluser on May 06, 2007, 07:35:39 PM
We're assuming that the weirdo knows Aniz. If he knows him to be an incubus, and Aniz hates bracers as much as he seems to, he would have seen the mark on his arm.
The first thing I'd say if I were the judge would be, ``OK. Then where's his clan marking?'' And the weirdo would tell him. If the marking were on his naughty bits, the judge might just tell them all to go home, since the weirdo obviously just wants to see Cid naked. But on the forearm...
Yes because insolated xenophobic comunities are always so damn willing to belive to the ravings and accusations of some outsider over the outstanding piller of the comunity. and even if he doesn't like bracers he would keep his most Identifying feature hidden some how so it would be unlikely that anyone looking for him would know it's location. Also there is no evidance that the nature of clan markings are that well known Dan didn't know about them, Hennya didn't and neither did Xander so anyone looking for him might not know that his marking can't be altered.
Quote from: superluser on May 06, 2007, 07:35:39 PM
1.) I think most adventurers don't bring work home. May probably didn't talk much about Cid's adventuring with other adventurers, and Cid certainly wasn't going to talk about `cubi to her.
2.) Hennya knew practically nothing about `cubi, *but* she knew the substitution thing. So it must be one of the first things you find out.
Yes but Hennya seemed to imply it in a ripping off some ones face and wearing there skin sort of way
Quote from: superluser on May 06, 2007, 07:35:39 PM
I think the Zinvth police would have something to say about making creatures look more violent and random than they really are.
Realy? realy you think so? so organised classes of creatures whipping out villages and out posts near there city wouldn't concern the authorities but some how killing one adventurer and taking his place would bring them out in droves
Quote from: superluser on May 06, 2007, 07:35:39 PM
Perhaps not, but given *how* upset Hennya is getting, I think this would seem like a serious offense to any judicial creature who doesn't want the beings to revolt or go on strike. Not just a traffic infraction, but the sort of crime where you wind up in a cell with the cast of Deliverance.
Thats because these are freinds of Hennya's people she knows, individual creatures might veiw this situation with disgust but not there society as a whole, the afformentioned masscer of an outpost, Kira's multiple murders and consumption of beings on a dayly basis, Lorenda snacking on solicitors, Ayruyana's referances to rampages and attempts to encourage Dan to spree's of rape and murder don't seem to draw the Ire of authoritise so how does the Cubi Cokoo suddenly take presidance?
Quote from: superluser on May 06, 2007, 07:35:39 PM
Three times is enemy action? :smack Sorry.
Really, if it were a genetic mutation, wouldn't we expect it to be permanent? All of his kids should have wings, then, and no one could be expected to think otherwise.
Besides, he's been in Zinvth since Abel was in first grade. That's still more than enough time to have two or three more kids, even if you space them out.
The magical mutation wouldn't nessicarily be perminent, since the effects thenselves would be random do to the magic involved, It would be assumed that another child if it was going to bear a mutation the adventurer would in the intervening space have come into contact with differnt magical energies on the job which would have changed any possible damage.
And his living in Zinvth wouldn't have mattered since even in a creature society a second child being born to a family of beings would have still drawn unwanted attention
Quote from: superluser on May 06, 2007, 07:35:39 PM
You said that Aniz might not know that SAIA is a violence-free zone. I'm simply saying that he seems to know enough about `cubi that he probably knows that SAIA is OK.
Unless SAIA wants his clan dead.
And most modern schools are suposed to be safe for there students in the US too.
And I did not say that he wouldn't know Saia is suposed to be voilance free, I said he might not know how strictly the headmistress would enforce this rule, and that even with the safeguards inplace at saia there would still be risksinvolved. The major one being that enrolling able would almost be the same thing as anouncing to any rival clans that Abel exists and any cubi enemies of Aniz would have a starting piont for there search for Aniz
Quote from: Fuyudenki on May 06, 2007, 07:42:07 PMWait, what happens if the person gives you a bogus answer? Like...Quote*Me: Say, can I borrow your... um... that thing you write with...*
*Random person: Candy bar?*
What happens then?
I think she gets a free candy bar.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 06, 2007, 08:50:02 PMFirst off why? Why bother to move? Why take the risk moving? Why risk drawing attention by killing a woman and taking the child?
Well...
- because the town is full of adventurers
- because May might not like the idea of having an incubus for a son
- because May might try to turn/kill Abel
- because the town is not a controlled environment where Aniz can guide Abel
- because even non-adventurers don't like creatures and might try to harm Abel
but basically because it's not a controlled environment. Aniz cannot ensure Abel's safety in Cantiv.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 06, 2007, 08:50:02 PMA dead woman and missing child draw alot of attention. Why risk exposing yourself to others?
If Aniz kept the relationship brief and killed her right after Abel was born instead of toying with her, I think he'd be able to get off scot free from any juducial creature. Besides, communication 400 years ago wasn't that great. Even if they could notify neighboring towns (which is physically possible with the orbs, but not necessarily bureaucratically possibly with jurisdictional issues), there's no guarantee that another town could put any sort of staff on the case or even send out an APB to its own officers.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 06, 2007, 08:50:02 PMAgain if he's trying to keep alow profile moving to Zinvth is the last thing he'd want I mean there could be demons, dragons, angels, mythos, and other cubi with no way to tell who is freind and who is foe.
If Aniz really is in hiding, I think he knows what he's hiding from.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 06, 2007, 08:50:02 PMAnd again living as a hermit is to risky because it's harder to blend in if there is nothing to blend into.
And, more importantly, nothing to see you.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 06, 2007, 08:50:02 PMWhy go to all that extra effort, take all that unnessisary risk when it's much easier to simply stay put where you have an established cover story, are efectivly masked from from suspision by your standing in the community and have some one with a vested intrest in helping you raise the child
And a vested interest in taking it away from you.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 06, 2007, 08:50:02 PMYes because insolated xenophobic comunities are always so damn willing to belive to the ravings and accusations of some outsider over the outstanding piller of the comunity.
If it lets me execute the weirdo, I'll ask Cid to show his arms.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 06, 2007, 08:50:02 PMQuote from: superluser on May 06, 2007, 07:35:39 PM2.) Hennya knew practically nothing about `cubi, *but* she knew the substitution thing. So it must be one of the first things you find out.
Yes but Hennya seemed to imply it in a ripping off some ones face and wearing there skin sort of way
That's the way she described it. I don't think that's the way she heard it. It doesn't make much sense for `cubi to do that, and if May took five minutes, she'd probably realize that it's bunk, but she's too panicked to think like that.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 06, 2007, 08:50:02 PMRealy? realy you think so? so organised classes of creatures whipping out villages and out posts near there city wouldn't concern the authorities but some how killing one adventurer and taking his place would bring them out in droves
Because that's making creatures look as (not more) violent and random as they really are. There's a difference. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Zinvth actually is concerned about the attacks and is unaware that it's part of a program.
Kinda like how Boston was unaware that a substitute teacher was going around putting up lighted circuit boards of the Mooninites.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 06, 2007, 08:50:02 PMThats because these are freinds of Hennya's people she knows, individual creatures might veiw this situation with disgust but not there society as a whole, the afformentioned masscer of an outpost, Kira's multiple murders and consumption of beings on a dayly basis, Lorenda snacking on solicitors, Ayruyana's referances to rampages and attempts to encourage Dan to spree's of rape and murder don't seem to draw the Ire of authoritise so how does the Cubi Cokoo suddenly take presidance?
Simple. May appears to be an upstanding member of the community, with ties to many of the creatures there. Aniz had a protracted relationship with her, involving finances, children, work, emotional commitment, and all the other things that go along with marriage. Kria's victims did not. Lorenda's victims did not. Aaryanna's victims probably didn't. Kria's training involved people attacking them, and Zinvth probably doesn't know about it.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 06, 2007, 08:50:02 PMThe magical mutation wouldn't nessicarily be perminent, since the effects thenselves would be random do to the magic involved, It would be assumed that another child if it was going to bear a mutation the adventurer would in the intervening space have come into contact with differnt magical energies on the job which would have changed any possible damage.
Reference, please?
Quote from: superluser on May 06, 2007, 10:23:52 PM
- because the town is full of adventurers
Which think he's a hero's who has risked his life defending them and would do anything they can to help him if he needed it.
Quote from: superluser on May 06, 2007, 10:23:52 PM
- because May might not like the idea of having an incubus for a son
- because May might try to turn/kill Abel
and she won't find this out until she older and weaker, while Aniz would still be in his prime and Abel would just be coming into his cubi powers and it would be unlikely that May would be able to hurt him
Quote from: superluser on May 06, 2007, 10:23:52 PM
- because the town is not a controlled environment where Aniz can guide Abel
Neither would Zinvth but A small town in a family setting would would allow for him to exert the optimum in control and safety, while making sure he got an education that lets him function in sociaty.
Quote from: superluser on May 06, 2007, 10:23:52 PM
- because even non-adventurers don't like creatures and might try to harm Abel
but basically because it's not a controlled environment. Aniz cannot ensure Abel's safety in Cantiv.
So why not keep him in a place where people think he's a being with a magical mutation and while he might be bullied by some kids but the adults in the villiage would protect him from outside threats.
Quote from: superluser on May 06, 2007, 10:23:52 PM
If Aniz kept the relationship brief and killed her right after Abel was born instead of toying with her, I think he'd be able to get off scot free from any juducial creature. Besides, communication 400 years ago wasn't that great. Even if they could notify neighboring towns (which is physically possible with the orbs, but not necessarily bureaucratically possibly with jurisdictional issues), there's no guarantee that another town could put any sort of staff on the case or even send out an APB to its own officers.
Why do you seem to have this weird double standard here?
Some how you seem to think that the Zinvth authorities are going to pull out all the stops because one cubi spent 25 years impersonating one being but the murder oand kidnapping of a whole family would simply be overlooked as ho hum.
If Aniz had Killed may right away that would still have left him with an infant to raise on his own, an Entire villiage of adventures pissed off and out for blood. Mostlikely a bounty would have been issued for the return of Abel meaning one more threat chasing Aniz down
Quote from: superluser on May 06, 2007, 10:23:52 PM
If Aniz really is in hiding, I think he knows what he's hiding from.
We're assuming it's enemies of his clan since he's from a small clan. Cubi have lots of enemies among the other creatures and among the other clans
Quote from: superluser on May 06, 2007, 10:23:52 PM
And, more importantly, nothing to see you.
and what happens if your found? no way to hide, no one to turn to for help
Quote from: superluser on May 06, 2007, 10:23:52 PM
And a vested interest in taking it away from you.
Yes and by the time she finds out she'll be much older and your still in your prime
Quote from: superluser on May 06, 2007, 10:23:52 PM
If it lets me execute the weirdo, I'll ask Cid to show his arms.
Why would you need to see Cids arms to do that? A judge would never get involved in something like this. The townsfolk would never get a judge involved. Some guy would show up in town and attack or harrass Cid. The townsfolk would simply force him out or if it was an attack they would kill him.
Quote from: superluser on May 06, 2007, 10:23:52 PM
That's the way she described it. I don't think that's the way she heard it. It doesn't make much sense for `cubi to do that, and if May took five minutes, she'd probably realize that it's bunk, but she's too panicked to think like that.
Why theway she's describing Cubi is in the evil hidous monster that lurks in the dark eating people nd wearing there faces. Granted with as little general knowlage of cubi that some folks seem to have maybe this is how cubi are veiwed by the general public. The cubi cokoo thing could be compleatly off the radar
Quote from: superluser on May 06, 2007, 10:23:52 PM
Because that's making creatures look as (not more) violent and random as they really are. There's a difference. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if Zinvth actually is concerned about the attacks and is unaware that it's part of a program.
That makes no sense, why would this incident make them do anytihng Butchering dozens of people in a few minutes is some how maintaining the status quo and no one will care but playing mind games with one person will some how make the beings rise up and revolt destroying all of sociaty
Quote from: superluser on May 06, 2007, 10:23:52 PM
Simple. May appears to be an upstanding member of the community, with ties to many of the creatures there. Aniz had a protracted relationship with her, involving finances, children, work, emotional commitment, and all the other things that go along with marriage. Kria's victims did not. Lorenda's victims did not. Aaryanna's victims probably didn't. Kria's training involved people attacking them, and Zinvth probably doesn't know about it.
So what? so what how is that some how worse then killing and or eating multiole people? It happens alot, Abusisive spouses have killed there spouses before and i causes barely a ripple in modern society but killing a few dozen people at once and that gets tons of attention.
Quote from: superluser on May 06, 2007, 10:23:52 PM
Reference, please?
okay lets see
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_06.php
this explians that its the magical energies adventurures come in contact with that cause the mutations among there children.
This explination seems to impy that these magical energies are common on adventures so it's safe to assume that between the time one child is conceived and the next time a chid is conceived they would have encountered differnt maical energies that would change things even more
Quote from: thegayhare on May 06, 2007, 11:39:57 PMQuote from: superluser on May 06, 2007, 10:23:52 PM- because the town is full of adventurers
Which think he's a hero's who has risked his life defending them and would do anything they can to help him if he needed it.
And which do not owe his son anything. Besides, I'm thinking that Aniz may have actually orchestrated those attacks. If they found that out, Aniz would be wiped from the face of Furrae.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 06, 2007, 11:39:57 PMand she won't find this out until she older and weaker, while Aniz would still be in his prime and Abel would just be coming into his cubi powers and it would be unlikely that May would be able to hurt him
Possible. But while May might be weaker, she could still call upon her friends. I suppose that's still true if he killed her right off, though. Still, Aniz didn't know what he's going to be doing 25 years from then. What if May befriended one of Aniz's clan's enemies? What if he's off `adventuring' when Abel gets his wings, and Aniz can't come back for a few days? It's too much to risk.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 06, 2007, 11:39:57 PMNeither would Zinvth but A small town in a family setting would would allow for him to exert the optimum in control and safety, while making sure he got an education that lets him function in sociaty.
The Zinvth schools seem to be better, and they would allow Abel to learn more about being a creature. Aniz would not have that level of control at Cantiv.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 06, 2007, 11:39:57 PMWhy do you seem to have this weird double standard here?
Some how you seem to think that the Zinvth authorities are going to pull out all the stops because one cubi spent 25 years impersonating one being but the murder oand kidnapping of a whole family would simply be overlooked as ho hum.
Yes! For the same reason that we have the SPCA or battered women's shelters. The toying and the betrayal are the keys. If it were just a random person, then he'd probably get off. But since he married her and lived with her, then she'll get more sympathy from the judges. They can imagine what would happen if one of their sons married a being (the initial offense, but then gradually acceptance), and then what would happen if he murdered the mother of their grandchild.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 06, 2007, 11:39:57 PMIf Aniz had Killed may right away that would still have left him with an infant to raise on his own, an Entire villiage of adventures pissed off and out for blood.
And then Aniz goes into hiding in Zinvth. I doubt they'd even look for him. If a bunch of adventurers came to the Zinvth city line, I'd expect they'd go back in doggie bags.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 06, 2007, 11:39:57 PMand what happens if your found? no way to hide, no one to turn to for help
We've cornered Osama bin Laden in caves a few times, but he's escaped so far. I'm sure a magical creature could do better.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 06, 2007, 11:39:57 PMWhy would you need to see Cids arms to do that? A judge would never get involved in something like this. The townsfolk would never get a judge involved. Some guy would show up in town and attack or harrass Cid. The townsfolk would simply force him out or if it was an attack they would kill him.
I think adventurers are probably quite fearful of shapeshifters. That alone would give them a reason to take it seriously. Even still, I think that most people would like to rub the truth in the guy's face before killing him.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 06, 2007, 11:39:57 PMWhy theway she's describing Cubi is in the evil hidous monster that lurks in the dark eating people nd wearing there faces. Granted with as little general knowlage of cubi that some folks seem to have maybe this is how cubi are veiwed by the general public. The cubi cokoo thing could be compleatly off the radar
But not by adventurers (which I believe was the original contention).
Quote from: thegayhare on May 06, 2007, 11:39:57 PMThat makes no sense, why would this incident make them do anytihng Butchering dozens of people in a few minutes is some how maintaining the status quo and no one will care but playing mind games with one person will some how make the beings rise up and revolt destroying all of sociaty
What happens if I married a creature and she decides to eat me in my sleep? What's to prevent her from doing that? Many people have an out of sight, out of mind mentality. Sure, so a bunch of adventurers miles away got attacked by some creatures. Happens. Isn't that part of the job description for adventurers? Anyways, they were out there for that war that I don't support. But when the family next door has a homicide, and no one does anything about it, I'm going to want to see some changes, pronto.
Also, Zinvth probably either doesn't know about it or is investigating it. After all, word may be difficult to get into Zinvth, but I'll bet it's easy to get out, and if Cantiv found out that that was some sort of training, they might not rally forces to fight a war (because they'd probably lose), but they'd definitely call off the bounty and tell people to stay away from that part of the forest.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 06, 2007, 11:39:57 PMSo what? so what how is that some how worse then killing and or eating multiole people? It happens alot, Abusisive spouses have killed there spouses before and i causes barely a ripple in modern society but killing a few dozen people at once and that gets tons of attention.
Because killing a high-profile member of the community is more important to the police than dozens of lesser knowns. It's a shame, and a scathing indictment of our society, but it's true.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 06, 2007, 11:39:57 PMThis explination seems to impy that these magical energies are common on adventures so it's safe to assume that between the time one child is conceived and the next time a chid is conceived they would have encountered differnt maical energies that would change things even more
I don't see anything that implies that.
Quote from: superluser on May 07, 2007, 01:43:32 AM
Quote from: thegayhare on May 06, 2007, 11:39:57 PMQuote from: superluser on May 06, 2007, 10:23:52 PM- because the town is full of adventurers
Which think he's a hero's who has risked his life defending them and would do anything they can to help him if he needed it.
And which do not owe his son anything. Besides, I'm thinking that Aniz may have actually orchestrated those attacks. If they found that out, Aniz would be wiped from the face of Furrae.
Of course they'd ow his son. Because in there mind Abel is one of them sure they might think he's strange wut he's still one of them born and raised here son of one of the towns heros. What you think if some one walked in and snatched able off the street as a child the whole town would just stand there?
And if Aniz was orchestrating it they would have to find out first wouldn't they
Quote from: superluser on May 07, 2007, 01:43:32 AM
Quote from: thegayhare on May 06, 2007, 11:39:57 PMand she won't find this out until she older and weaker, while Aniz would still be in his prime and Abel would just be coming into his cubi powers and it would be unlikely that May would be able to hurt him
Possible. But while May might be weaker, she could still call upon her friends. I suppose that's still true if he killed her right off, though. Still, Aniz didn't know what he's going to be doing 25 years from then. What if May befriended one of Aniz's clan's enemies? What if he's off `adventuring' when Abel gets his wings, and Aniz can't come back for a few days? It's too much to risk.
Who's to say he's actualy off Anywhere, Remember he was retired when Abel was born working at the docks, and there are ways of knowing what May would be doing subtle manipulation to help guide her Keep her away from anyone who might threaten his control. As for when they were in Zinvith Who's to say he was realy "Adventuring"
Quote from: superluser on May 07, 2007, 01:43:32 AM
Quote from: thegayhare on May 06, 2007, 11:39:57 PMNeither would Zinvth but A small town in a family setting would would allow for him to exert the optimum in control and safety, while making sure he got an education that lets him function in sociaty.
The Zinvth schools seem to be better, and they would allow Abel to learn more about being a creature. Aniz would not have that level of control at Cantiv.
No he wouldn't but but hey lookie Abel got his creature education and he's still has some one to do all the cooking and cleaning for the boy doesn't he...
Ohh damn that May things would be so much easier if she were dead
and he sure as hell wouldn't have gotten this education usiong the hermit method you've been drumming on
Quote from: superluser on May 07, 2007, 01:43:32 AM
Quote from: thegayhare on May 06, 2007, 11:39:57 PMWhy do you seem to have this weird double standard here?
Some how you seem to think that the Zinvth authorities are going to pull out all the stops because one cubi spent 25 years impersonating one being but the murder oand kidnapping of a whole family would simply be overlooked as ho hum.
Yes! For the same reason that we have the SPCA or battered women's shelters. The toying and the betrayal are the keys. If it were just a random person, then he'd probably get off. But since he married her and lived with her, then she'll get more sympathy from the judges. They can imagine what would happen if one of their sons married a being (the initial offense, but then gradually acceptance), and then what would happen if he murdered the mother of their grandchild.
Again whywould they care, it happened way over there... Cid and May are back in Cantiv now (judging by the look of the house and the proximity to the funeral) Like you said it happened over there. so why would Zinvth care. if they don't care about a trading post full of dead people (not adventures merchants) why woiuld they care what one cubi did to a family of adventures?
Quote from: superluser on May 07, 2007, 01:43:32 AM
Quote from: thegayhare on May 06, 2007, 11:39:57 PMIf Aniz had Killed may right away that would still have left him with an infant to raise on his own, an Entire villiage of adventures pissed off and out for blood.
And then Aniz goes into hiding in Zinvth. I doubt they'd even look for him. If a bunch of adventurers came to the Zinvth city line, I'd expect they'd go back in doggie bags.
and as I stated it would be just as dangerous for him in Zinvth. But why would they be systematicly slaughtered as you think. Cid was an adventure and they lived in the city. If they tracked Aniz to Zinvth they would most likely try to bring the athorities in but when that mostlikely failed they'd keep looking on there own. now the city would want to keep order and if they killed off the adventurers well that would bring more and more to avenge each new death... so the simplest solution would be to finds Aniz and Abel and turn them over just to get rid of the problem. Demon city right ? survival of the fittist
Quote from: superluser on May 07, 2007, 01:43:32 AM
Quote from: thegayhare on May 06, 2007, 11:39:57 PMand what happens if your found? no way to hide, no one to turn to for help
We've cornered Osama bin Laden in caves a few times, but he's escaped so far. I'm sure a magical creature could do better.
Ohh but he had a large stock pile of weapons, and a small army at his disposal so far It doesn't look like aniz has any of that
Quote from: superluser on May 07, 2007, 01:43:32 AM
Quote from: thegayhare on May 06, 2007, 11:39:57 PMWhy would you need to see Cids arms to do that? A judge would never get involved in something like this. The townsfolk would never get a judge involved. Some guy would show up in town and attack or harrass Cid. The townsfolk would simply force him out or if it was an attack they would kill him.
I think adventurers are probably quite fearful of shapeshifters. That alone would give them a reason to take it seriously. Even still, I think that most people would like to rub the truth in the guy's face before killing him.
Have you ever lived in a small town? thats not how it works. not even now adays. In a small town no one trusts the outsiders, the new person. Hell I've lived in this town 18 years and they sill hate my family. why because we are new, we moved in when the local mill happened to be on strike so we were obvously scabs. Hell the house we bought is twice as large as it was and is now bright white and after 18 the people in the town still refure to it as the greys house. Truth doesn't matter Cid was born there he raised a family there any stranger to come in and try to bad mouth him is getting booted right out on there ass with no question asked
Quote from: superluser on May 07, 2007, 01:43:32 AM
Quote from: thegayhare on May 06, 2007, 11:39:57 PMWhy theway she's describing Cubi is in the evil hidous monster that lurks in the dark eating people nd wearing there faces. Granted with as little general knowlage of cubi that some folks seem to have maybe this is how cubi are veiwed by the general public. The cubi cokoo thing could be compleatly off the radar
But not by adventurers (which I believe was the original contention).
Prove it? AAnd you can't use what Cid said remember he's a cubi
Quote from: superluser on May 07, 2007, 01:43:32 AM
Quote from: thegayhare on May 06, 2007, 11:39:57 PMThat makes no sense, why would this incident make them do anytihng Butchering dozens of people in a few minutes is some how maintaining the status quo and no one will care but playing mind games with one person will some how make the beings rise up and revolt destroying all of sociaty
What happens if I married a creature and she decides to eat me in my sleep? What's to prevent her from doing that? Many people have an out of sight, out of mind mentality. Sure, so a bunch of adventurers miles away got attacked by some creatures. Happens. Isn't that part of the job description for adventurers? Anyways, they were out there for that war that I don't support. But when the family next door has a homicide, and no one does anything about it, I'm going to want to see some changes, pronto.
Also, Zinvth probably either doesn't know about it or is investigating it. After all, word may be difficult to get into Zinvth, but I'll bet it's easy to get out, and if Cantiv found out that that was some sort of training, they might not rally forces to fight a war (because they'd probably lose), but they'd definitely call off the bounty and tell people to stay away from that part of the forest.
What happens if you married a creature and she decides to eat you? Ask Kria
and your out of site mentality would work here too. They aren't in Zinvth anymore so Zinvth wouldn't care. They aren't famous, they aren't rich. I see the newspaper leading with the sluaghter of a trading post doezens of merchents buchered and the tabliods running "I married a Cubi" this would be gossip for most folks not directly involved. now one in any seat of power would care. Hell I doubt most beings on the council would care "Stupid woman, I can't belive she never noticed"
Quote from: superluser on May 07, 2007, 01:43:32 AM
Quote from: thegayhare on May 06, 2007, 11:39:57 PMThis explination seems to impy that these magical energies are common on adventures so it's safe to assume that between the time one child is conceived and the next time a chid is conceived they would have encountered differnt maical energies that would change things even more
I don't see anything that implies that.
Oh so magical energies that can cause mutations in one persons ofspring would only change theone thing, no matter how many times you were exposed to them? mutations are unpredictable by there very nature.
So you face a necromancer trying to raise a vast army of undead soldiers, but just in the nick of time you stop the cerimony but are exposed to the wild and swirling arcan forces he summoned at the same time. So you go home and celebrate with your wife, nine months later you've got a bouncing baby with three eyes. two months later you thwart a weird fish cult and stop them from awakening the anceint god they worship. and are again exposed to a swirling morrass of arcane forces. Your saying that it the first one would change things but the second exposure wouldn't do diddly squat? nithing would change beteen then and now?
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What the christ happened here?
Well you see Uncle Bill...Ummm I tryed to make sure they dont make a mess and...well...Your not going to tell my mom are you?
OK. I'll try to keep this short.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 07, 2007, 02:45:04 AMand he sure as hell wouldn't have gotten this education usiong the hermit method you've been drumming on
The hermitage theory is one of many. Like the ``line up friends beforehand'' theory or the ``seek them out afterwards'' theory. I don't think I've specifically advocated it for several posts, so I don't see how that's drumming.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 07, 2007, 02:45:04 AMAgain whywould they care, it happened way over there... Cid and May are back in Cantiv now (judging by the look of the house and the proximity to the funeral) Like you said it happened over there. so why would Zinvth care. if they don't care about a trading post full of dead people (not adventures merchants) why woiuld they care what one cubi did to a family of adventures?
I don't think they're in Cantiv, given Hennya's presence there. The house looks very different from the one that they had in Cantiv (yes, they'd probably buy a new one if they returned). Cantiv probably wouldn't be too keen on having the family that they ran out of town return after spending years in the demon city. Even if they were, the issue would be the Cantiv judicial creatures.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 07, 2007, 02:45:04 AMso the simplest solution would be to finds Aniz and Abel and turn them over just to get rid of the problem. Demon city right ? survival of the fittist
This doesn't seem to be the way that creatures operate.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 07, 2007, 02:45:04 AMWhat happens if you married a creature and she decides to eat you? Ask Kria
Except that I think Kria killed him right off. So the moral is, ``Don't trust new whirlwind romances.''
On the other hand, if you live together for 25 years and have a kid together, your husband isn't going to suddenly decide to kill you, right?
Quote from: superluser on May 07, 2007, 07:19:21 AM
Quote from: thegayhare on May 07, 2007, 02:45:04 AMand he sure as hell wouldn't have gotten this education usiong the hermit method you've been drumming on
The hermitage theory is one of many. Like the ``line up friends beforehand'' theory or the ``seek them out afterwards'' theory. I don't think I've specifically advocated it for several posts, so I don't see how that's drumming.
Yes but you've only used the Line up freinds before hand example as a precurser to hermatige. and I've explained to you why bith Zinvth wouldn't be safe, I've explained why hermiting wouldn't be safe, and I've explained why even if the people were trustworthy relying on them would be risky. If Aniz is trying to maintain alow profile any... any steps out away from the norm invites risk.
With May he's got a valid and belivable backstory. With may he fades into the background. Kill may and that raises alarm, confid in others and that invites leaks, If you move you draw attention to your self as the new comer and outsider, If you live in Isolation your vulnerable. Staying put and operating under the established cover is the safest bet.
Okay lets look at it using a modern example
now take a sleeper agent
In order for a sleeper agentl to work they have to seem normal in every way
doing anything out of the ordinary puts them at risk. during the cold war deep cover agents were known to get married and have familes even, they'd spend years living normaly until that one command came down and they then went into action
Quote from: superluser on May 07, 2007, 07:19:21 AM
Quote from: thegayhare on May 07, 2007, 02:45:04 AMAgain whywould they care, it happened way over there... Cid and May are back in Cantiv now (judging by the look of the house and the proximity to the funeral) Like you said it happened over there. so why would Zinvth care. if they don't care about a trading post full of dead people (not adventures merchants) why woiuld they care what one cubi did to a family of adventures?
I don't think they're in Cantiv, given Hennya's presence there. The house looks very different from the one that they had in Cantiv (yes, they'd probably buy a new one if they returned). Cantiv probably wouldn't be too keen on having the family that they ran out of town return after spending years in the demon city. Even if they were, the issue would be the Cantiv judicial creatures.
They are in a densly wooded area, which wouldn't seem to imply Zinvth. Abel was abel to make it to a Cantiv funeral and back home realitivly quickly, the proximity of Devin to the are would seem to put them away from the demon city, it's doubtful that demons would risk wipeing out a outpost thats only say an hour or two's walk froim there borders. Hennya is a guest of the family and is staying in the house so as not to cause problems (which is why she didn't acompany able to the service)
Also Cid and May weren't run out they left freely. The sticking piont was Abel if they moved back after Abel had grown up why would the village care
And what Cantiv creatures, We have seen no evidance of and sort of judicary in cantiv.
Quote from: superluser on May 07, 2007, 07:19:21 AM
Quote from: thegayhare on May 07, 2007, 02:45:04 AMso the simplest solution would be to finds Aniz and Abel and turn them over just to get rid of the problem. Demon city right ? survival of the fittist
This doesn't seem to be the way that creatures operate.
It seems to be how demons operate
Zinvth is a demon city, Why would they put up with the problem of continued adventuring parties entering there city for the sake on a single cubi? The relations between the speices probably arn't exactly chummy and if he isn't strong enough to make it on his own then thats his own damn problem
Quote from: superluser on May 07, 2007, 07:19:21 AM
Quote from: thegayhare on May 07, 2007, 02:45:04 AMWhat happens if you married a creature and she decides to eat you? Ask Kria
Except that I think Kria killed him right off. So the moral is, ``Don't trust new whirlwind romances.''
On the other hand, if you live together for 25 years and have a kid together, your husband isn't going to suddenly decide to kill you, right?
mostlikely no but think about it We are talking about creatures here they do not have some unified hive mind. they are long lived and very differnt creatures. 25 years to them could still be a brief fling.
Demons seem to be a survival of the fittest, Well she served her purpose, he's got a kid and it's an adult. She'd old now and would just slow him down seems to fit
Fae Well maybe his role was over 25 yearsplaying the loving husband time to move on
And I've already stated my thoughts on the cubi mindset here it's a small clan and and the newest member is old enough to survive on it's own
On one hand I am happy to see a lot of rational and well-thought debating and discussion...but on the other OH GOD TEXT TIDAL WAVE. :U
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Sigh. Brevity. I'm going for brevity.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 07, 2007, 12:30:48 PMYes but you've only used the Line up freinds before hand example as a precurser to hermatige.
No, as a precursor to moving to Zinvth and taking up residence there.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 07, 2007, 12:30:48 PMnow take a sleeper agent
But Aniz isn't taking orders from above. Or maybe he is--in which case, his actions make a whole lot more sense.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 07, 2007, 12:30:48 PMThey are in a densly wooded area, which wouldn't seem to imply Zinvth.
Where on Earth are you getting this stuff? Aside from a trellis around Abel's home and a couple of trees at the park, we don't see anything densely wooded. Even Cantiv seemed fairly open. Also note that Abel refers to ``that town'' when talking about the place where Cindy was, implying that that's not where he is now. Furthermore, Hennya and Abel are talking on a park bench, in front of a statue of what appears to be a mythos.
Quote from: superluser on May 07, 2007, 01:28:36 PM
Quote from: thegayhare on May 07, 2007, 12:30:48 PMYes but you've only used the Line up freinds before hand example as a precurser to hermatige.
No, as a precursor to moving to Zinvth and taking up residence there.
Umm okay but thats not what this says
QuoteYou go into Zinvth when you're supposed to be adventuring, find some people whom you think you can trust, do thorough background checks, and stick around for a few years (Three years would be the equivalent of a week and a half to us) to make sure. Then you go out, knock May up, and kill her. Then you take the kid back to Zinvth with the friends and start living the life of a hermit.
Quote from: superluser on May 07, 2007, 01:28:36 PM
Quote from: thegayhare on May 07, 2007, 12:30:48 PMnow take a sleeper agent
But Aniz isn't taking orders from above. Or maybe he is--in which case, his actions make a whole lot more sense.
So? He doesn't have to be taking orders to use the sleeper agent model. In his case the signal he's waiting for would be Abel reaching maturity. but using the sleeper agent model is still the safest tactic as well as one that would bring the least amount of attention to him
Quote from: superluser on May 07, 2007, 01:28:36 PM
Quote from: thegayhare on May 07, 2007, 12:30:48 PMThey are in a densly wooded area, which wouldn't seem to imply Zinvth.
Where on Earth are you getting this stuff? Aside from a trellis around Abel's home and a couple of trees at the park, we don't see anything densely wooded. Even Cantiv seemed fairly open. Also note that Abel refers to ``that town'' when talking about the place where Cindy was, implying that that's not where he is now. Furthermore, Hennya and Abel are talking on a park bench, in front of a statue of what appears to be a mythos.
Well that was my bad I miss remembered some of the images and didn't go back to check. I also got a few of the comics misolaced in my head. I didn't even use the park I assumed that Abel lived and workedin Zinvth while his parents had moved back to Cantiv. But even if they are still in Zinvth why would there be any fuss. Deamon city... It's just a being, why bother.
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 07, 2007, 12:37:51 PM
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Quote from: Amber Williams on May 07, 2007, 12:37:51 PM
On one hand I am happy to see a lot of rational and well-thought debating and discussion...but on the other OH GOD TEXT TIDAL WAVE. :U
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Quote from: thegayhare on May 07, 2007, 02:19:44 PMUmm okay but thats not what this says
Oops! Sorry, I'm a little sleep deprived. As I was writing one of those messages, I realized that hermitage wouldn't be necessary, and I guess I thought I had written that one message prior to when I did.
Anyways, Point: Aniz might not have a Nixon style enemies list, but it seems to be a racial/ethnic thing, so he'd probably know how many wings his enemies have. (and Aniz had an easy time pretending to be a being, so why wouldn't his enemies try to do the same, if they were capable of it?)
Quote from: thegayhare on May 07, 2007, 02:19:44 PMHe doesn't have to be taking orders to use the sleeper agent model.
But for what purpose? Sleeper agents usually gain trust so that they can either infiltrate the system or pull off a high-value attack. Aniz wasn't doing either of those things.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 07, 2007, 02:19:44 PMBut even if they are still in Zinvth why would there be any fuss. Deamon city... It's just a being, why bother.
Because she's a respected member of the community with ties to many members of that community, the beings would lose trust in the system (if you can't trust your husband, who can you trust?), the creatures would be reminded of cases of creature-on-creature domestic violence, and possibly others.
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 07, 2007, 12:37:51 PM
On one hand I am happy to see a lot of rational and well-thought debating and discussion...but on the other OH GOD TEXT TIDAL WAVE. :U
Everybody run!!! D:
Quote from: superluser on May 07, 2007, 03:35:53 PM
Anyways, Point: Aniz might not have a Nixon style enemies list, but it seems to be a racial/ethnic thing, so he'd probably know how many wings his enemies have. (and Aniz had an easy time pretending to be a being, so why wouldn't his enemies try to do the same, if they were capable of it?)
First off they would have to find him and Cid's prexisting history would be working against them there. Second any enemy disguised as a being would have to deal with the isolationist xenophobicsmall town mentality which would protect Aniz
Quote from: superluser on May 07, 2007, 03:35:53 PM
Quote from: thegayhare on May 07, 2007, 02:19:44 PMHe doesn't have to be taking orders to use the sleeper agent model.
But for what purpose? Sleeper agents usually gain trust so that they can either infiltrate the system or pull off a high-value attack. Aniz wasn't doing either of those things.
because following the sleeper agent model would give him the most security with the least risk and least effort. All around the safest bet
Quote from: superluser on May 07, 2007, 03:35:53 PM
Quote from: thegayhare on May 07, 2007, 02:19:44 PMBut even if they are still in Zinvth why would there be any fuss. Deamon city... It's just a being, why bother.
Because she's a respected member of the community with ties to many members of that community, the beings would lose trust in the system (if you can't trust your husband, who can you trust?), the creatures would be reminded of cases of creature-on-creature domestic violence, and possibly others.
We don't know that, We don't know if she has any freinds or if she is considered a respected member of the comunity. I still doubt this would raise much trouble I mean domestic violance doesnt realy stand out in todays news and I doubt 400 years ago it was a red hot topic.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 07, 2007, 05:30:00 PM
Quote from: superluser on May 07, 2007, 03:35:53 PM
Quote from: thegayhare on May 07, 2007, 02:19:44 PMBut even if they are still in Zinvth why would there be any fuss. Deamon city... It's just a being, why bother.
Because she's a respected member of the community with ties to many members of that community, the beings would lose trust in the system (if you can't trust your husband, who can you trust?), the creatures would be reminded of cases of creature-on-creature domestic violence, and possibly others.
We don't know that, We don't know if she has any freinds or if she is considered a respected member of the comunity. I still doubt this would raise much trouble I mean domestic violance doesnt realy stand out in todays news and I doubt 400 years ago it was a red hot topic.
True, domestic violence probably doesn't cause much trouble in the community, but May still probably has friends there who will do something. And besides, domestic violence will be noticed no matter how low the risk of trouble is.
Well even if they do something, they really got nothing to go on other then the fact that theres a dead or missing being and mythos, assuming Aniz kills them. They can speculate that Cid did it, but yea, Aniz may leave the eye patch as a false clue that Cid died as well. Its not like this is CSI: Furrae or anything.
Aniz probably would be smart enough to cover his tracks, assuming his plan of action is to kill them and abduct Abel. We don't know his true intentions yet though, we only know he's part of the same clan as Abel and that he backhanded May. (May did mention that she did stupid things in her youth, mabye Aniz slapped her because of that?)
More of : (http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/HuskieBoi666/Files%20of%20random/netslap.gif) from Hare and Super
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Man, that has GOT to be put on the smiley list!
Quote from: Shadowcatcher on May 05, 2007, 08:24:27 PM
Quote from: Fuyudenki on May 05, 2007, 12:31:34 PM
He practically admitted it when he whacked May and reverted to his Cubi form, and he asked Abel, "Does this look familiar?" and pointed to the clan mark of a fairly small clan, which I wouldn't expect a lot of to be running around.
All that proves is that he is of the same clan as Abel. In all likelyhood using the KISS model, he is Abel's father, but I thought I'd just mention the possibility that he could be a lacky to watch over Abel while the real father goes and creates more CubiKinder. Heck, if that's the case, Aniz could very well be a half brother placed to watch over him to see if he fully develops. We'll find out whenever Aniz says either "Son" or "Bro" (or maybe even Cousin). To avoid incoming flames, I'll say yes, it's likely Aniz is his father, but I don't feel completely convinced until I see more of their interaction.
Quote from: Fuyudenki on May 05, 2007, 12:31:34 PM
For example, we've only ever seen two(confirmed) cubi from the same clan in the main comic, they're both from a very large, powerful clan(diametric opposite to Abel and Aniz's clan), and Destania is confirmed as Dan's mother. By use of the very mathematically-termed "Squeeze Method," I think it's safe to say Aniz is Abel's father.
I prefer KISS (Keep It Simple Stupid) myself. :mowcookie
I like this idea personaly
Quote from: Zedd on May 07, 2007, 10:17:59 PM
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Truthfuly Zedd I don't think thats a fair assesment of how this is going. To imply that this is an internet slap fight turns it into something it's realy not. There is no animositybetween the two parties involved here... atleas not from this end. I'm actualy having fun, It's rare when I can actualy debate something civily on the internet. There maybe Annoyance some times but that dies quickly.
We just have differing opinions on this and the back and forth has been fairly easy going I think.
Dont worry...Im just playing along...Sides I dont mind speculating too..As long it remains the right way....Have a browine I made today from scratch
I wouldnt eat that if I where you :paranoid
Quote from: thegayhare on May 08, 2007, 01:43:34 AMTruthfuly Zedd I don't think thats a fair assesment of how this is going. To imply that this is an internet slap fight turns it into something it's realy not. There is no animositybetween the two parties involved here...
YOU DESERVE TO...
I mean, uh--no animosity here, either. We just disagree with each other, and I respect TGH and his opinions. Anyways, I think I've made my point and anything else would be just spinning my wheels, so I'm bowing out of this particular argument.
P.S. I just noticed that the guy on the right has two left arms. (you win, llearch)
(http://i35.photobucket.com/albums/d156/HuskieBoi666/Files%20of%20random/netslap.gif)
Is that the left left, or the right left? ;-]
Quote from: superluser on May 06, 2007, 03:38:12 PM
Quote from: Aleolus on May 06, 2007, 02:43:37 PMyou and she can raise dozens of cubi children together, including one by the name of Destiana!
I'm sure that will get confusing for Dan, having his tutor's sister named Destiana, and having his mother named Destania.
I was trying to imply that Abel might be Dan's uncle.
Quote from: Aleolus on May 08, 2007, 11:45:20 AM
Quote from: superluser on May 06, 2007, 03:38:12 PM
Quote from: Aleolus on May 06, 2007, 02:43:37 PMyou and she can raise dozens of cubi children together, including one by the name of Destiana!
I'm sure that will get confusing for Dan, having his tutor's sister named Destiana, and having his mother named Destania.
I was trying to imply that Abel might be Dan's uncle.
That would almost work... if it weren't for the fact that Destania is nearly twenty times as old as Abel. She's the second-oldest Cubi I think we've seen thus far(the oldest being Fa'Lina, at roughly 2000 years older.)
'Parrently, Ed likes older women?
It dosen't explain that Aniz waited for 25 years to make that speech when Abel was not a glimmer in Mays eye when Aniz made that statement.
I know he had two wives the one when Devin was born and the other he left for to which is May to try and get that succubus born which he accomplished.
Now the other thing I noticed is that Aniz maybe killing May and Henna to take Abel away with him not going to work for reasons.
1. Aniz will be killed by Kria or Abel and Henna combined
2. Aniz will be a coward and run away and live and fight another day but in passing he will tell Abel that Aniz is his real Father end of story.
Quote from: Fuyudenki on May 08, 2007, 11:50:09 AMThat would almost work... if it weren't for the fact that Destania is nearly twenty times as old as Abel. She's the second-oldest Cubi I think we've seen thus far(the oldest being Fa'Lina, at roughly 2000 years older.)
Yeah, that was the point that I was trying to make.
Destania is 7026 years old. Abel is only 399.
(By the way, Ink is older than Destania, clocking in at 9075, and Fa'Lina is 9288)
I wonder anyone figured out roughly the age of Aniz would be...I mean he looks like in an age for being almost old as Abel is now
Quote from: Zedd on May 08, 2007, 03:58:50 PM
I wonder anyone figured out roughly the age of Aniz would be...I mean he looks like in an age for being almost old as Abel is now
If I were to guess, Aniz would probably be past his 100's.
Mabey he's 125?
Quote from: superluser on May 08, 2007, 03:51:36 PM
(By the way, Ink is older than Destania, clocking in at 9075, and Fa'Lina is 9288)
By the way, Ink is a partial cameo and so his and my story might not match up in terms of continuity. I'm not saying I'm gonna go out of my way to skew his story, but don't be too shockered if something doesn't see eye-to-eye.
I hear rumours that Ink is another of Aniz' disguises.
Also, that Mab and Azlan are one and the same.
Yes! Conspiracies abound.
Now thats just silly. Azlan is clearly just Abel in disguise. He learned that trick from his father. ;)
Quote from: ShiningShadow on May 08, 2007, 03:43:26 PM
I know he had two wives the one when Devin was born and the other he left for to which is May to try and get that succubus born which he accomplished.
:wrong Or at least, unconfirmed. While much speculation has been flying about over the exact nature of Devin's biological father, and Aniz does seem like he could do the job, the comic itself(and as far as I know, the author of said comic) has neither confirmed, nor denied said speculation. This, by the way, neither proves, nor disproves it, since as we saw with Aniz's unveiling, she's very good at keeping important plot twists secret.
That said, while Aniz does seem like a good candidate for Devin's father, something about that doesn't add up in my mind. Aniz doesn't seem the type to drive a woman insane over her children being born Being one after another, and it seems highly unlikely that the offspring of a Cubi and a Being would be repeatedly Being, over at least three children(probably more), as all of the characters we know of who have at least one Cubi parent
are Cubi, themselves. Even Lorenda's a confirmed Demon-cow. Wings smaller than Pip's, but still a demon-cow. I think there's something else going on in Devin's past, but I don't think it's relevant to Abel's story, so unless we purchase a "Devin's Story" special, I doubt we'll see any of it.
On age discrepencies. Yeah, I just checked the wiki, and the reported age of Dr. Ink is 9075. He's not listed in the timeline, though... though given Amber's post on that, perhaps it's an unconfirmed age. In any case, yes, Destania is OLD, even by Cubi standards.
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 08, 2007, 06:01:58 PM
I'm not saying I'm gonna go out of my way to skew his story, but don't be too shockered if something doesn't see eye-to-eye.
Oh, go on. You know you want to. :-]
Quote from: Xeksue on May 08, 2007, 06:08:51 PM
Now thats just silly. Azlan is clearly just Abel in disguise. He learned that trick from his father. ;)
But that means that Jyrass and Wildy are siblings. The plot thickens.
Quote from: rabid_fox on May 08, 2007, 06:54:55 PM
Quote from: Xeksue on May 08, 2007, 06:08:51 PM
Now thats just silly. Azlan is clearly just Abel in disguise. He learned that trick from his father. ;)
But that means that Jyrass and Wildy are siblings. The plot thickens.
Wait, what do Jyrras and Wildy have to do with Able and Azlan?
Quote from: Psychogirl on May 08, 2007, 06:58:05 PM
Quote from: rabid_fox on May 08, 2007, 06:54:55 PM
Quote from: Xeksue on May 08, 2007, 06:08:51 PM
Now thats just silly. Azlan is clearly just Abel in disguise. He learned that trick from his father. ;)
But that means that Jyrass and Wildy are siblings. The plot thickens.
Wait, what do Jyrras and Wildy have to do with Able and Azlan?
And Dan is long lost brother :P
Quote from: Zedd on May 08, 2007, 06:59:45 PM
Quote from: Psychogirl on May 08, 2007, 06:58:05 PM
Quote from: rabid_fox on May 08, 2007, 06:54:55 PM
Quote from: Xeksue on May 08, 2007, 06:08:51 PM
Now thats just silly. Azlan is clearly just Abel in disguise. He learned that trick from his father. ;)
But that means that Jyrass and Wildy are siblings. The plot thickens.
Wait, what do Jyrras and Wildy have to do with Able and Azlan?
And Dan is long lost brother :P
And Mab is the great grandmother from a past life! :boogie
(http://smokingslicks.com/images/book-cover.jpg)
Hurr :B
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 08, 2007, 06:01:58 PMBy the way, Ink is a partial cameo and so his and my story might not match up in terms of continuity. I'm not saying I'm gonna go out of my way to skew his story, but don't be too shockered if something doesn't see eye-to-eye.
Oh, I know, but we don't have anything else to go on at this point. I suppose I should have said, ``According to Dr. Ink himself...'' It just seemed like Ink and Fa'Lina had a closer relationship, suggesting that he was at least older than Destania, and once that's given it seems unlikely that there would be any need to monkey around with the numbers.
Quote from: Fuyudenki on May 08, 2007, 06:21:43 PMit seems highly unlikely that the offspring of a Cubi and a Being would be repeatedly Being, over at least three children(probably more)
Henry VIII.
Quote from: Zedd on May 08, 2007, 06:59:45 PM
Quote from: Psychogirl on May 08, 2007, 06:58:05 PM
Quote from: rabid_fox on May 08, 2007, 06:54:55 PM
Quote from: Xeksue on May 08, 2007, 06:08:51 PM
Now thats just silly. Azlan is clearly just Abel in disguise. He learned that trick from his father. ;)
But that means that Jyrass and Wildy are siblings. The plot thickens.
Wait, what do Jyrras and Wildy have to do with Able and Azlan?
And Dan is long lost brother :P
I thought Dan was their pet Meowth!
okay, this is just decending into bizarro-land.
Descending? It fell further than that a -long- time ago...
Lies! Thread am ascended to normal land just now.
Please bring Blue Kryptonite, it not kill Bizzaros.
I have the door open to Normancly *Please not in the Face.*