The Clockwork Mansion

 :< poor henya..

looks like Aniz, however can get blinded by anger... or he's got an extra personality rolling around in that skull.

Oh frig...

:boggle

I have to agree with Aniz: :censored

Woah, so confuzzled. Though I'm more inclined to believe that he has a split personality.

But who knows? Only Amber, that's who.

 :dface

she shall never have meat cookies, nor shall she know the man meat of the wedding that is not to be... although i have a twitch at the back of my skull that some mythos may survive this just at an uber level of pissed off.

Hey, ive heard legends where you slice off a dudes head, he picks it back up and tells you how much it stings before beating you with his severed head, it fits right in there somewhere

Quote from: Brunhidden on September 07, 2007, 09:52:14 PM
she shall never have meat cookies, nor shall she know the man meat of the wedding that is not to be... although i have a twitch at the back of my skull that some mythos may survive this just at an uber level of pissed off.

Hey, ive heard legends where you slice off a dudes head, he picks it back up and tells you how much it stings before beating you with his severed head, it fits right in there somewhere

I count nine separate pieces of Hennya.

I am inclined to disagree.

...Damnation, Aniz said the only word that feels appropriate for this situation, and I don't want to copy him.

So. I bet he's gonna be in trouble for this.

so... Henya pizza anybody?

Quote from: Wanderer on September 07, 2007, 09:56:20 PM
...Damnation, Aniz said the only word that feels appropriate for this situation, and I don't want to copy him.

So. I bet he's gonna be in trouble for this.

Yep, he definitely was not supposed to kill anyone here.

And also, lets not forget Abel and May, who are in even more of a state of WTF than we are.

I want some sushi, now.

Quote from: Zina on September 07, 2007, 10:02:13 PM
I want some sushi, now.

What kind yo?

My Brain:  :boggle  :U  :explosion

HOLY FRIGGEN, uh, POTATOS BATMAN.

Um... ouch? :dface


Gotta say though... the kinda Frank Miller-esque white on black thing in the first panel was pretty cool. >:]

Must...not...make...Jack reference...

Aniz's expression in the 4th panel almost makes him look...um...like, not a psychopathic murderer. And Abel's in the 5th makes him look like he's about to faint. Actually, it's not entirely unlike Dan's here (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_814.php).

Okay...wow.  I know that the death of Hennya was pretty much inevitable and all, but, I still actually got a little tear at that scene.

Awesome art, well done.

You better curse, Aniz.  >:3

noooooooooooo!  Hennyaaaaaaaa!

I liked Hennya.


so either Aniz just blew his cover and is going to get authorities of some sort called because Hennya's now dead, or...

Hennya actually regenerates, and now we've got nine angry little snake mythos running around.

though that latter theory came when I thought it wasn't Aniz talking in the first panels across the bottom, which apparently it was, so i think our favorite snake-girl is chopped liver.

and chopped arms, and chopped head-snakes, and chopped tails, and...

[edit]YES, I'm sure I want to post, curse you, I'm not referencing anything that's been said before![/edit]

Quote from: Cogidubnus on September 07, 2007, 09:56:08 PMI count nine separate pieces of Hennya.

I am inclined to disagree.

For some reason, I love this quote.  You have a tendency to do that, Cogidubnus.

Sooo... subjective morals being what they are around these parts, anybody not holding this against him?

Quote from: Caswin on September 07, 2007, 10:11:44 PM
Sooo... subjective morals being what they are around these parts, anybody not holding this against him?

*hand* yeah, me.  Even though one of my favorite characters just got turned into giblits, it technically happened in self-defense.  I don't really hold things against people who do them in self-defense.

Quote from: AnizInDisguise on September 07, 2007, 09:51:38 PM
Woah, so confuzzled. Though I'm more inclined to believe that he has a split personality.

Seems like Hennya has several split personalities, now.

*Crickets chirping.*

:<

Quote from: xHaZxMaTx on September 07, 2007, 10:13:34 PM

Quote from: AnizInDisguise on September 07, 2007, 09:51:38 PM
Woah, so confuzzled. Though I'm more inclined to believe that he has a split personality.

Seems like Hennya has several split personalities, now.

*Crickets chirping.*

:<

(http://spamgasm.freeforums.org/files/spamgasm/smilies/11111111111111111111111111111catSRS.jpg)

I doubt one or both of them had split-personalities. I think their rage merely took over. :O

EDIT: And now I just realized the joke. I'll be sulking in the corner now.

I really don't know, I don't think the whole "Split personalities" thing will go in court.

Quote from: Raist on September 07, 2007, 10:13:06 PM

Quote from: Caswin on September 07, 2007, 10:11:44 PM
Sooo... subjective morals being what they are around these parts, anybody not holding this against him?

*hand* yeah, me.  Even though one of my favorite characters just got turned into giblits, it technically happened in self-defense.  I don't really hold things against people who do them in self-defense.

Is it self-defense, really, if the attacker is herself doing it in defense of others?

Bill, XD

...and I just wrote a script detailing a fight between Magax and Vira (if anyone around here knows who either one of them is), with a dramatic freeze-frame black-and-white silhouette at the climax.  :erk

Am I the only one who's the least bit disturbed that the primary reaction to Hennya's death is that people are making jokes about eating her corpse (or otherwise turning it into houdervs?

Yes. Hennya had hilarious fatalz.

But sushi is just so delicious.

Delicious fatalz.

Sounds like my kind of restaurant.

All meat slaughtered fresh and hilariously.

I don't think the idea of self-defense matters, because creatures don't see killing as a criminal offense, according to Kria (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_343.php).  If anything, it's more like the weregild concept of killing being a civil issue (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weregild).  At this moment, the only possibility I can see for Hennya is that the morphing amulet might be able to convert the mythos pieces into an intact being.  I'm not holding out much hope because the trend seems to be that everyone who helps Abel dies  (Cindy (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_31.php), Xander (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_59.php), Devin (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_63.php)) or is revealed as a monster (Cid/Aniz, Kria).  Based on that, things don't look good for May.

She was chopped into pieces, ouch. But... it looks like it didn't turn out to good for Aniz. Maybe NOW we'll see what a pissed off Mytho is capable of in Amber's World?

Quote from: Mock AV on September 07, 2007, 10:41:06 PM
She was chopped into pieces, ouch. But... it looks like it didn't turn out to good for Aniz. Maybe NOW we'll see what a pissed off Mytho is capable of in Amber's World?

No, but we may see what delightful recipes we can make with one!  :)



Rachael Ray can help.

i reccomend judicious use of duct tape  :P

I recommend pesto sauce.

Quote from: Mock AV on September 07, 2007, 10:41:06 PM
She was chopped into pieces, ouch. But... it looks like it didn't turn out to good for Aniz. Maybe NOW we'll see what a pissed off Mytho is capable of in Amber's World?

I don't quite think he's afraid of Hennya. Perhaps, some of the earlier comments would be applicable?
It does appear that he is under some sorts of rules, here. He's already said Fa'lina is likely to get on his case as-is, so...I wonder if she will care that he's killed a Mythos, now.
Perhaps Aniz thinks so.

.... I don't think so, I mean, if he could chop her into pieces like that, I'd think he would know an easy way to subdue her without breaking any rules he may be bound to.

Quote from: Mock AV on September 07, 2007, 10:50:13 PM
.... I don't think so, I mean, if he could chop her into pieces like that, I'd think he would know an easy way to subdue her without breaking any rules he may be bound to.

Not if he's pissed off!  :3

I would point to the change in speech bubble, and the red-glowing eyes. Bloodlust and anger, if I ever saw it.

Oh. My. Gods.

I can't belive it.

I'm going now.

Is it possible cid is like  Demon eye's Kyo?

Mythos abilities are vast and wide, for all we know Hennya could have did a bait and switch.
(I'm hoping that Hennya is still alive, I liked her she's funny  :mowsad)

Aniz does seem to have a split personality. look at the way he was speaking.  Even in an enraged state you don't completely loose yourself like that.  For one it makes you an easier target if someone knows what to do and two it is difficult to come out of a trance and see what you have done, especially if it's something you didn't want to do.

Also it seems as if Hennya is in 10 peaces, it appears as if one of her arms were forcibly removed. 
I've seen even more elaborate death fake scenes in movies and other comics.  Kitsunes give the beast fake death scenes and I'm still hoping that Hennya is OK. 

... She's not a stupid girl... please be OK. 
I hope she used a doppelganger trick or something similar in her place and survived the attack (I know I'm grasping at straws).

maybe he's pissed because hennya was venomous  :zombiekun2

Quote from: Caswin on September 07, 2007, 10:17:34 PM
Is it self-defense, really, if the attacker is herself doing it in defense of others?

yes, because if he hadn't killed her, Hennya was going to kill him.  What he's done previously still stands, but personally, I wouldn't hold this particular event against him.

after all, he's already killed a man(that might have been self-defense, as well), taken his place, fathered a child with the dead man's wife, and possibly scarred both May and Abel for the rest of their lives.  What's one more death, more or less?

Something tells me Hennya isn't coming back.  I think she'd have been referenced in the present storyline if she was.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fceezuQKUE8

Quote from: Raist on September 07, 2007, 11:02:00 PM

Quote from: Caswin on September 07, 2007, 10:17:34 PM
Is it self-defense, really, if the attacker is herself doing it in defense of others?

yes, because if he hadn't killed her, Hennya was going to kill him. What he's done previously still stands, but personally, I wouldn't hold this particular event against him.

after all, he's already killed a man(that might have been self-defense, as well), taken his place, fathered a child with the dead man's wife, and possibly scarred both May and Abel for the rest of their lives.  What's one more death, more or less?

Uh... a death's a death?

And I seem to recall Amber saying she actually wasn't going for a mortal wound, not that it would be clear one war or another from the comic.

Quote from: Madmann135 on September 07, 2007, 10:57:53 PM
Aniz does seem to have a split personality. look at the way he was speaking.  Even in an enraged state you don't completely loose yourself like that.  For one it makes you an easier target if someone knows what to do and two it is difficult to come out of a trance and see what you have done, especially if it's something you didn't want to do.

You are mistaking berserker-esque action with bad judgment. Strong rage and anger (caused by, say, sharp pointy teeth in your shoulder) cause you to make bad decisions. It was hardly as if Aniz went totally insane and killed everyone there, after all.
Like a murderer with a twitchy trigger finger, he got pissed off, and pulled. It was as simple as that (No, really. Look how he killed her. It was as simple as that.). It didn't take him totally losing his mind to do it.
Just his better judgement, for a moment.

A slite of all blind range...And now..Zina do you want some eel sauce with that sushi?

Quote from: Caswin on September 07, 2007, 11:04:24 PM
Uh... a death's a death?

And I seem to recall Amber saying she actually wasn't going for a mortal wound, not that it would be clear one war or another from the comic.

Death is one thing.  Murder is entirely different.  If a man invades your home and is trying to rob, kill, and/or rape you or your family members, the use of lethal force is perfectly justified.

Nonlethal force is justified, as well.  Ultimately, it's up to the would-be victim to decide which is the most expedient solution.

But when you catch the two shady figures entering through your back window, wearing masks, just remember one thing: dead men file no lawsuits.

Well, seeing as I like to shave with Occam's Razor, I'll go for the simpler explanation:

1. Aniz lost his temper.  Some folks ... get kinda scary when they lose their temper.  Being a well-trained incubus, Aniz made quick work of his opponent.

Unfortunately...

2. That "opponent" is a friend of his son's.  He's just driven a rather sizable wedge between himself and the son he spent 25 years of impersonation for.  Given the lifespan of 'cubi, that's a wedge that'll last for centuries.

So, instead of making a hasty transformation from Cid to his actual form, then departing with Abel to SAIA, Aniz just made a total mess.


The only thing open, in my mind, is whether or not Hennya's bite was poisonous.

Quote from: Raist on September 07, 2007, 11:14:10 PM

Quote from: Caswin on September 07, 2007, 11:04:24 PM
Uh... a death's a death?

And I seem to recall Amber saying she actually wasn't going for a mortal wound, not that it would be clear one war or another from the comic.

Death is one thing.  Murder is entirely different.  If a man invades your home and is trying to rob, kill, and/or rape you or your family members

That would be Aniz, I think, not Hennya.

Why does it look like Aniz lobotomized Abel in the last panel with a wing tentacle.  :U

Quote from: Caswin on September 07, 2007, 11:15:35 PM
That would be Aniz, I think, not Hennya.

True, but I still stand by my statement.

Quote from: Xeksue on September 07, 2007, 11:16:22 PM
Why does it look like Aniz lobotomized Abel in the last panel with a wing tentacle.  :U

I believe that's the edge of Abel's hand, holding his head.  Close shot, not much to see, but I love how Amber pays attention to the ever-important little details like that!

Quote from: Raist on September 07, 2007, 11:18:56 PM

Quote from: Caswin on September 07, 2007, 11:15:35 PM
That would be Aniz, I think, not Hennya.

True, but I still stand by my statement.

That - just to be clear - Hennya, acting in defense-of-others, is justified as a result?

I just asked in the first place because of all the users who operate (mainly where 'cubi are concerned) by "their prerogative = a-ok", checking the overall reaction to an actual on-panel murder of a much-beloved (HENNYA IS DEAD D:) character.

Quote from: Caswin on September 07, 2007, 11:22:59 PM

Quote from: Raist on September 07, 2007, 11:18:56 PM

Quote from: Caswin on September 07, 2007, 11:15:35 PM
That would be Aniz, I think, not Hennya.

True, but I still stand by my statement.

That - just to be clear - Hennya, acting in defense-of-others, is justified as a result?

I just asked in the first place because of all the users who operate (mainly where 'cubi are concerned) by "their prerogative = a-ok", checking the overall reaction to an actual on-panel murder of a much-beloved (HENNYA IS DEAD D:) character.

If 'good' had won out here, Hennya would have sliced-and-diced Aniz.  Aniz probably deserves to die for many of the things he's done, and Hennya was only protecting her good friends.

However, Hennya was protecting her good friends with potentially lethal force, and it was pretty clear that it was going to be difficult for Aniz to protect himself while still leaving her alive, so he had to resort to lethal force to protect his own life.

The verdict I'm coming to is more than a little bit conflicted.  On the one hand, Aniz killed someone who hadn't done anything wrong.  Usually, this is called "murder."  On the other hand, Aniz still deserves the chance to protect his own life, even if this means taking the life of an attacker.  This is called self-defense.

There's no clean answer.  In real life, in situations like these, there rarely is.

*Charline grins happily* Ah, I had a feeling it would be a Trepadora-like moment.   And thus we see once more why we cubi are superior!  Of course, if Aniz disobeyed a direct order from a superior cubi, he must also be killed and his soul devoured.

I call executioner!   >:3

Executed as in he fails the pain and torture class at SAIA from killing one of them too early? And thus must retake the ENTIRE course again?  :mwaha

Quote from: Raist on September 07, 2007, 11:29:02 PM

Quote from: Caswin on September 07, 2007, 11:22:59 PM

Quote from: Raist on September 07, 2007, 11:18:56 PM

Quote from: Caswin on September 07, 2007, 11:15:35 PM
That would be Aniz, I think, not Hennya.

True, but I still stand by my statement.

That - just to be clear - Hennya, acting in defense-of-others, is justified as a result?

I just asked in the first place because of all the users who operate (mainly where 'cubi are concerned) by "their prerogative = a-ok", checking the overall reaction to an actual on-panel murder of a much-beloved (HENNYA IS DEAD D:) character.

However, Hennya was protecting her good friends with potentially lethal force, and it was pretty clear that it was going to be difficult for Aniz to protect himself while still leaving her alive, so he had to resort to lethal force to protect his own life.

Uh... there's no real evidence that she was going to kill him (and in fact evidence against it), and he probably could have easily fought her off; the general consensus - backed by what we've seen - seems to be that what's happened was the result of a lapse in judgment.

That, and an inhabitant of the metaphorical household attacks the invader with, let's say, a bat.  Does the invader, who came in of his own volition to do bad things, have the right to attack or kill that person?

Quote from: Caswin on September 07, 2007, 11:35:11 PM
That, and an inhabitant of the metaphorical household attacks the invader with, let's say, a bat.  Does the invader, who came in of his own volition to do bad things, have the right to attack or kill that person?

I'd say he's still entitled to defend himself.  He's already breaking and entering which, in my mind, should be punishable by death, anyway.

I think we shouldn't keep using this thread for an ethics discussion, but to show that I'm not trying to just shut you down and declare victory, I'll let you have the last word.  I won't respond.

Quote from: Raist on September 07, 2007, 11:43:41 PM

Quote from: Caswin on September 07, 2007, 11:35:11 PMI think we shouldn't keep using this thread for an ethics discussion

Good call.

::Duran sharpens his greataxe with every tasteless comment::

I'm not sure, but it looks like no one's brought this up yet...

Look what Aniz is saying in today's comic (he said it a few times in page 95 as well)

Remember this? http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_625.php

I think we finally found out what Abel was saying. It wasn't some friend he saw bloodied. He was repeating his father. Quite possibly reliving watching this moment (a traumatic enough scene by itself, all the more so for a hemophobic.)

*sigh* Oh well, we've been knowing for weeks this was coming.   :mowsad

I don't think Aniz is worried that he's killed somebody. I think the problem is he did it in front of Abel. Using a little blood to incapacitate Abel is one thing. Splattering Hennya all over the room is something else. Abel is no good to anyone if he has been turned into a tramatized basket case. We know Abel will ultimately be okay, but Aniz at the time doesn't.

Uh, wow. Just wow.

Taking a momentary break from my brief Internet off-moment, I am in utter shock. While this doesn't quite hit me as emotionally as Devin's death did, Hennya's still smacks me in the face all the same. Poor Hennya... poor May... poor Abel. All of them look completely in shock--especially Abel--even Hennya, during her death.

Wow. I may like Aniz as a villain with impact, but there really needs to be retribution.

Also, this is absolutely awesome art, especially in the first panel. Probably the most creative and artistic way I've ever seen someone get dissected in a comic book. Like someone's already stated, the silhouetting style is reminsicent of Frank Miller.

Ah well... *updates Hennya's Wiku-Wiki page* Alas, poor Hennya. You will be missed.

~Keaton the Black Jackal

"The verdict I'm coming to is more than a little bit conflicted.  On the one hand, Aniz killed someone who hadn't done anything wrong.  Usually, this is called "murder."  On the other hand, Aniz still deserves the chance to protect his own life, even if this means taking the life of an attacker.  This is called self-defense.

There's no clean answer.  In real life, in situations like these, there rarely is."

   ARE YOU FREAKING INSANE?!?  :erk

One of them was a self-confessed murderer who had just admitted he was about to abscond with/do something to Abel. the Other one was trying to defend her friends.  And becasue she had the gall to try and take out an obviously lethal attacker, Aniz is somehow let off the hook becasue, gee, BIG surprise...HE KILLED SOMEONE ELSE?!?!?!

   Aniz has NO moral ground here. It's no diffrent than some nutcase walking into a resturaunt and killing someone becasue he can, then shooting some of the cops who try to take him out before he kills someone ELSE.  Aniz was asking for it, he deserved it...he just sadly didn't get quite enough of it.  I can't believe how many people are defending the villian in this.

I looked closely and not only did he use his wing tentacles to slice her apart, HE PULLED her ARM off!  :eek That being said, I think Aniz doesn't have a split personality. If anything, he was so enraged that his anger took over and now, after the adrenaline rush has passed, he's just now realizing his mistake. I think he's in some SERIOUS trouble now.

;_;

Amber scares me.

And now I'm having flashbacks to that Ghost Ship scene with the wire...

There are going to be some people seriously upset by this.  Namely, Hennya's parents,  Ahnora, and his parents.  Also Kria.

Aniz may want to skip town yesterday.

Now that I Think about it, will all that has gone on, don't you think someone would have HEARD all this by now?

Meh, even if someone does show up I'm still fairly certain Aniz would just run off. Heck I think he might right now if he "apparently" screwed up real bad here. If he didn't actually lobotomize Abel by mistake (and it looks like it's just Abel's hand) the whole "Oh noes I grew a concious!!!" ploy he's exercising right now makes no sense.

Right now in my mind I'm trying to call out the reasoning behind his actions, and I think I got my answer.

NO! this is horrorable. Poor Hennya  :mowsad :mowsad :mowsad :mowsad :mowsad

Quote from: chaotik on September 08, 2007, 12:47:58 AM
"The verdict I'm coming to is more than a little bit conflicted.  On the one hand, Aniz killed someone who hadn't done anything wrong.  Usually, this is called "murder."  On the other hand, Aniz still deserves the chance to protect his own life, even if this means taking the life of an attacker.  This is called self-defense.

There's no clean answer.  In real life, in situations like these, there rarely is."

   ARE YOU FREAKING INSANE?!?  :erk

One of them was a self-confessed murderer who had just admitted he was about to abscond with/do something to Abel. the Other one was trying to defend her friends.  And becasue she had the gall to try and take out an obviously lethal attacker, Aniz is somehow let off the hook becasue, gee, BIG surprise...HE KILLED SOMEONE ELSE?!?!?!

   Aniz has NO moral ground here. It's no diffrent than some nutcase walking into a resturaunt and killing someone becasue he can, then shooting some of the cops who try to take him out before he kills someone ELSE.  Aniz was asking for it, he deserved it...he just sadly didn't get quite enough of it.  I can't believe how many people are defending the villian in this.

Read further down next time. Raist already said he wasn't gonna continue on that trail of discussion. Or she, since I can't remember if Raist stated if s/he was a guy or girl.

As for the comic...I'm at a loss for words other than "Oh. My. God."

Ahh,got to love the of that first panel,always liked shadow panels,that and Aniz looks just plain evil in it.

Quote from: Shakal on September 08, 2007, 12:19:37 AM
I'm not sure, but it looks like no one's brought this up yet...

Look what Aniz is saying in today's comic (he said it a few times in page 95 as well)

Remember this? http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_625.php

I think we finally found out what Abel was saying. It wasn't some friend he saw bloodied. He was repeating his father. Quite possibly reliving watching this moment (a traumatic enough scene by itself, all the more so for a hemophobic.)

Ohhh, I think you got something there. And really nice planning on Amber's part too if that's accurate.

This particular moment may also explain why Able has never been able to get over the hemophobia... had it been just that, one would think a Cubi, even a fairly peaceful one, would have made an effort to deal with their phobia. This, however, may just plain be to tender for him to even think about touching with a ten foot pole.

aww... poor Hennya.
And of course, this also means that my character for voice-ing is gone.. glad that I did the recording before reading.

Quote from: Roureem Egas on September 08, 2007, 01:33:48 AMOr she, since I can't remember if Raist stated if s/he was a guy or girl.

Is my gender really that ambiguous?

I'm not even going to tell you which, since I've left the answer all over the board, already.

Quote from: Raist on September 08, 2007, 02:06:22 AM

Quote from: Roureem Egas on September 08, 2007, 01:33:48 AMOr she, since I can't remember if Raist stated if s/he was a guy or girl.

Is my gender really that ambiguous?

I'm not even going to tell you which, since I've left the answer all over the board, already.

For a while, I was for a little bit. Then I saw, after I got my senses back. :B Sorry about that.

Quote from: Roureem Egas on September 08, 2007, 02:08:11 AM

Quote from: Raist on September 08, 2007, 02:06:22 AM

Quote from: Roureem Egas on September 08, 2007, 01:33:48 AMOr she, since I can't remember if Raist stated if s/he was a guy or girl.

Is my gender really that ambiguous?

I'm not even going to tell you which, since I've left the answer all over the board, already.

For a while, I was for a little bit. Then I saw, after I got my senses back. :B Sorry about that.

More shock than anything else, really.  Normally, I'd have taken that as the cue to try to hide my masculinity, but the cat's already out of the bag here, so no point.

When the opportunity arises, I like to see how many people I can fool into thinking I'm a girl.

Quote from: Shakal on September 08, 2007, 12:19:37 AM
I'm not sure, but it looks like no one's brought this up yet...

Look what Aniz is saying in today's comic (he said it a few times in page 95 as well)

Remember this? http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_625.php

I think we finally found out what Abel was saying. It wasn't some friend he saw bloodied. He was repeating his father. Quite possibly reliving watching this moment (a traumatic enough scene by itself, all the more so for a hemophobic.)

I noticed that, but I thought it was obvious and minor...

Quote from: Raist on September 07, 2007, 11:02:00 PM

Quote from: Caswin on September 07, 2007, 10:17:34 PM
Is it self-defense, really, if the attacker is herself doing it in defense of others?

yes, because if he hadn't killed her, Hennya was going to kill him.  What he's done previously still stands, but personally, I wouldn't hold this particular event against him.

after all, he's already killed a man(that might have been self-defense, as well), taken his place, fathered a child with the dead man's wife, and possibly scarred both May and Abel for the rest of their lives.  What's one more death, more or less

Henya did scar them to in this comic

http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_78.php

thanks, Fex, I just kept hitting "Next" from there, and I noticed something.

Who noticed that on page 96, Aniz caught Hennya by the arm while she was jumping at him?

And who has noticed that said arm is not, in fact, among the 9 pieces of Hennya sitting in front of Aniz, but actually being held behind his back?  You can see the ragged edges of the shoulder where it was torn off.

I love the details!

The muttering of the word "Haan" is just a sound effect for heavy breathing - Abel's not imitating his father in the DMFA archive strip posted above, he's just breathing heavily, as one would do when they're panicking.  But Aniz is using a different voice here as well, as seen by the font change.  Could just be that something or some other part of his mentality took over in order to finish off Hennya when she pissed him off, and he just suddenly snaps out of it and realizes that it's a huge mistake.

And finally to post my feelings ...

:<

Quote from: modelincard on September 07, 2007, 10:08:32 PM
Must...not...make...Jack reference...

Amber's gore at it's worst is much prettier than, and nowhere near as disgusting as ,anything you'll find in "Games We Play In Hell" ;3

Anyway....
or something by coming into contact with her blood (and/or fangs) or maybe a part of her that stuck him just as he sliced her up.  Or maybe Aniz has a less severe fear of blood, and it hasn't kicked in until now because there's nothing dangerous left to worry about. 

Either way.... poor Henya. We hardly knew ye.  :/

I'm not sure I can add much.  Most of it seems to have been covered, although it seems to have taken until the third page for someone to point out the obvious :P

I don't know whether Aniz is saying 'F---' because he didn't didn't want to kill Hennya per se.  But killing anyone in front of Abel is an absolute no-no for what he's doing.  He's now going to have to carry his son to SAIA, who probably isn't going to be able to speak until he's fifty.

As for the split-personality thing, I was going to say "don't be silly" until I remembered that he'd been 'Cid' for the last 25 years.  I don't believe it, mind - just saying that it's not completely impossible.  More likely he just lost it, IMHO.

Hey!  10 cookies to anyone who can identify where the header line for the main comic today is!  In case it changes, I'll put it in below.

QuoteA, credit card.  B, cash.  C, sneak out in the middle of the night.

Quote from: Aleolus on September 08, 2007, 03:49:22 AM
Hey!  10 cookies to anyone who can identify where the header line for the main comic today is!  In case it changes, I'll put it in below.

QuoteA, credit card.  B, cash.  C, sneak out in the middle of the night.

ooh! I know!

But only cause I googled it.   ;)

I'm actually curious how Aniz managed to cut so finely; those tentacle-wings don't look anywhere NEAR sharp enough to cut through someone so perfectly. Magic?

Quote from: Reaver225 on September 08, 2007, 04:49:41 AM
I'm actually curious how Aniz managed to cut so finely; those tentacle-wings don't look anywhere NEAR sharp enough to cut through someone so perfectly. Magic?

You can morph them into blades.  It might be that they are a lot flatter towards the tips than they seem from the silhouette.  According to one of Amber's earlier posts, a well-trained incubus can cut through rocks.

Quote from: Caswin on September 07, 2007, 10:11:44 PM

Quote from: Cogidubnus on September 07, 2007, 09:56:08 PMI count nine separate pieces of Hennya.

I am inclined to disagree.

For some reason, I love this quote.  You have a tendency to do that, Cogidubnus.

Sooo... subjective morals being what they are around these parts, anybody not holding this against him?

So I guess I'll play devil's advocate.
1) What we have here, before the murder is a domestic violence case. A rather bad one, but not as serious as one might think (given that only minor bloodletting was involved, and it's only one instance) (And yes, I'm counting this as domestic violence instead of breaking an entering, seeing that even though they're for all intents and purposes not married, it's still father, mother and son.
2) Aniz was attacked by Hennya, and acted in self defence. Granted, he was carried away, but it's still self defence.
3) You've to realise the long term repercussions. This could probably start a war/genocide by Hennya's relatives/clan.

Also... I'm frankly more worried for May... Because one of Aniz's current choices is to "dispose of witnesses". The (technically) cleanest option right now is to kidnap both, render Abel unconsious (Abel's probably a few steps ahead here), dispose of May, and frame Cid (I'm assuming he kept his disguise all this time).

Hope he has a warp aci though, because I don't think there's any clean way to go out with a traumatized May and Abel.

(for clarification: I am NOT evil. I'm just able to think all sides.)

Quote from: Psaakyrn on September 08, 2007, 05:37:24 AM
Also... I'm frankly more worried for May... Because one of Aniz's current choices is to "dispose of witnesses". The (technically) cleanest option right now is to kidnap both, render Abel unconsious (Abel's probably a few steps ahead here), dispose of May, and frame Cid (I'm assuming he kept his disguise all this time).

Aniz seems distressed that he's killed Hennya.  We don't know if it's because he didn't want to kill anyone (else), because he didn't want his son to see it, or simply because he's upset that he's f'ed the mission up real bad.  If it's the first, he might not be up to killing again, let alone killing the person he's lived with for 25 years.

I had assumed that he wouldn't kill May because it would do even more irreparable harm to his son than he already has.  But you're right, Abel doesn't have to know.  On the other hand, it might be better simply to leave and hope that May isn't able to give a coherent account.
Not that it matters too much if she did because he's a shapeshifter after all.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO   'A'

Quote from: computer nerd on September 08, 2007, 06:39:19 AM
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO   'A'

Perhaps I wrote Hennya off some time ago, but to be honest this strip didn't affect me anything like as much as #814.  (Although I think that one touched a nerve)

Quote from: Turnsky on September 07, 2007, 10:46:41 PM
i reccomend judicious use of duct tape  :P

Ever read Nodwick?

Quote from: Aleolus on September 08, 2007, 03:49:22 AM
Hey!  10 cookies to anyone who can identify where the header line for the main comic today is!  In case it changes, I'll put it in below.

QuoteA, credit card.  B, cash.  C, sneak out in the middle of the night.

one of my favorite movies

thats from the muppet movie's hotel scene

Very popular choice.

hmmm, i just had a thought when i saw her name this last time.... i think ill use my extensive cryptology knowledge to see if anything pops up. gotten a bit rusty lately so i could do with the mental excersize

Archive- Reference- Search- mythos, serpent, sever

*processing processing processing processing BING!*

five matches....hmmm.... am i the only one who suddenly wonders what this fight would be like if Hennya had a couple EXTRA heads? really, the name is only a few letters off and it does explain this part...

Quote from: Jack McSlay on September 07, 2007, 10:59:27 PM
maybe he's pissed because hennya was venomous  :zombiekun2

In the original legends the blood of the hydra was a potent toxin, specifically with the ability to melt flesh. The bite of the hydra was also poisonous, but comparable to scorpion venom, in some versions the severed heads continued to bite at the legs of those who sliced them off

The main reason that I would think that Hennya doesn't have a lethal poison is that Amber previously said that Hennya wasn't trying to kill Abel at that point.  However, I do think that she was trying to kill Aniz in the last attack.  Another thing to think about is that the tentacles can move without conscious thought by the cubi.  Remember when they tried to help Dan make coffee.  Could it be that when he said No (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_98.php) in the previous scene, he was trying to stop the tentacles.

However, if Aniz dies, it would be closer to one of Shakespeare's tragedies.  The worst case that I can see at this moment would be that Abel completely loses it, attacks Aniz in a Berserker rage, killing Aniz but also accidentally killing May, then finding out that Aniz wasn't really evil.  If you really wanted stressful, you could have Aniz going over to May, holding her and saying with his dying breath "I'm sorry.  I didn't mean for it to happen.  I really did love you."

To go along with the Shakespeare model for tragedies, you would then have Kria or Fa'lina come in, explain everything, and then take the near comatose Abel off to SAIA.

*****

By the way, for those who claim me to be overanalytical or pedantic, I will let you in on a little secret.  Whether you laugh with me or at me, I'll still leave some laughing.

If you can learn to laugh at yourself, you will never be without a source of amusement.

Quote from: Brunhidden on September 08, 2007, 07:45:55 AM
Very popular choice.

hmmm, i just had a thought when i saw her name this last time.... i think ill use my extensive cryptology knowledge to see if anything pops up. gotten a bit rusty lately so i could do with the mental excersize

Archive- Reference- Search- mythos, serpent, sever

*processing processing processing processing BING!*

five matches....hmmm.... am i the only one who suddenly wonders what this fight would be like if Hennya had a couple EXTRA heads? really, the name is only a few letters off and it does explain this part...

Quote from: Jack McSlay on September 07, 2007, 10:59:27 PM
maybe he's pissed because hennya was venomous  :zombiekun2

In the original legends the blood of the hydra was a potent toxin, specifically with the ability to melt flesh. The bite of the hydra was also poisonous, but comparable to scorpion venom, in some versions the severed heads continued to bite at the legs of those who sliced them off

I was thinking hydra as well... I was going to make a post along the lines of "I hope she put points into hydra regeneration" but decided against it :B

Or maybe he just realized Hennya's mom is someone really scary? Though I can only think of few individuals who are possibly or definately scarier than Aniz.

Quote from: Psaakyrn on September 08, 2007, 05:37:24 AM
So I guess I'll play devil's advocate.
1) What we have here, before the murder is a domestic violence case. A rather bad one, but not as serious as one might think (given that only minor bloodletting was involved, and it's only one instance) (And yes, I'm counting this as domestic violence instead of breaking an entering, seeing that even though they're for all intents and purposes not married, it's still father, mother and son.
2) Aniz was attacked by Hennya, and acted in self defence. Granted, he was carried away, but it's still self defence.

And is there not a very sound basis for intervening in a case of violence, domestic abuse ("minor" though it may be) and attempted kidnapping?

Quote from: Psaakyrn on September 08, 2007, 05:37:24 AM3) You've to realise the long term repercussions. This could probably start a war/genocide by Hennya's relatives/clan.

I... don't see what this has to do with anything. (I also don't see it as particularly likely to begin with.)

 (http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/konfus/s030.gif)   Ouch.

Anyone else think this is one of the things Abel is still bottling up and not entirely recovered from (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_609.php) nearly 300 years later? I agree with the mention upthread about Abel's panic attack in the paint incident, it's just the sort of thing that would jump up and bite someone even if they've managed to mostly forget the original event.

About Anizs strange reaction to his latest slaying...maybe he differs betwean killing beings and creatures, just like most of us differes betwean killing cattle and humans?

Quote from: SpottedKitty on September 08, 2007, 09:00:30 AM
(http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/konfus/s030.gif)   Ouch.

Anyone else think this is one of the things Abel is still bottling up and not entirely recovered from (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_609.php) nearly 300 years later?

Bottled up? I think he's got a whole wine cellar stashed away.

Hey Tape do you think this compared equalness,the tormentness and mental scarring like when Zedds father disowning of his existence and Abels loss of friends and blood splatter?

*Charline thinks of all the deaths in this arc...*  You know, I think I know the REAL reason for all this.  Amber was probably getting buried with requests for people's characters in the story... so she included them all!  And now they're all going to die horrible horrible deaths.  Who are these people?  We'll never really know, because what's happening to their characters is probably alluding to what Amber has done to them in reality.

Amber is pure ebil.   >:3

Ok, there's that or Amber has been watching "Claymore" recently, where a whole bunch of the characters got shredded in seconds.   ;)

(wide-eyed and panting)

Huh...huh...heh....

Hennya?

(slumps and shakes her head) Oh God.

I have nothing to say.

Quote from: Black_angel on September 08, 2007, 10:52:23 AM
(wide-eyed and panting)

Huh...huh...heh....

Hennya?

(slumps and shakes her head) Oh God.

I have nothing to say.

I knew you were going to show up sooner or later...
I was just as speechless as you are.

Quote from: RJ on September 08, 2007, 12:49:41 AM
;_;

Amber scares me.

And now I'm having flashbacks to that Ghost Ship scene with the wire...

you know what hapopened in that movie couldn't happen in real life, people have bones and the wire would have slammed into them like a dull bladed sword, at the most only a third of those people would have died realistically.

~o/ Heeeeeeenyaaaaaaa, oh Heeeeeeeeeeeenya.... where the giraffes aaaaaaaare, and the zebraaaaaaa.... /o~

...wait...

My initial reaction was "Oooo, it's not NICE to piss off someone who regenerates, is it?"

All these other theories make sense, but I'm still holding out hope that the next comic is going to be Aniz beset by ten slithering, vicious ankle-bitey mini-Hennyas.

Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on September 08, 2007, 11:42:12 AM
~o/ Heeeeeeenyaaaaaaa, oh Heeeeeeeeeeeenya.... where the giraffes aaaaaaaare, and the zebraaaaaaa.... /o~

...wait...

Darn you linky ferret boy...

Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on September 08, 2007, 11:42:12 AM
~o/ Heeeeeeenyaaaaaaa, oh Heeeeeeeeeeeenya.... where the giraffes aaaaaaaare, and the zebraaaaaaa.... /o~

...wait...

out of curiosity Janus hon.  Ever hear of the viscous and deadly Giraffes of Un Lun Dun?

Mercy me, I'm confused but excited. It's like "Total Recall" all over again.

Quote from: thegayhare on September 08, 2007, 07:11:40 AM

Quote from: Aleolus on September 08, 2007, 03:49:22 AM
Hey!  10 cookies to anyone who can identify where the header line for the main comic today is!  In case it changes, I'll put it in below.

QuoteA, credit card.  B, cash.  C, sneak out in the middle of the night.

one of my favorite movies

thats from the muppet movie's hotel scene

Right idea, wrong name.  No cookies for you!

oh damn your right thats from the great muppet caper

the muppet movie was when the try to make it into the movies.  and the muppets take manhatten was when kermit writes a broadway show.

Talk about a chilling image.

Thanks, Amber, I'm probably going to have that in my head for weeks!!  Gaaaaahhhhhh!

But...

...you did give us fair warning a month or two ago that this story was going to get dark, depressing, and icky.  So we can't say we weren't warned about this coming.


On a totally different topic, though... Hen may not have been trying to 'kill' but what could be worse to a shapeshifting being than suddenly not having that capability, a poison that paralyzes such capabilities?

Or... to a being that can feel the emotions of everything around them, suddenly feeling the reaction of all the people to the death it just caused in that brief moment when the 'shields were down'.  That could really put a damper on grand plans and ideas--what if Grand Moff Tarkin, for example, felt the deaths of everyone on Alderaan as if they were the greatest loves of his life?

Still plenty of food for thought and speculation, and now another week or so while we wait in joyful (maybe?) hope for another go at this!

Quote from: thegayhare on September 08, 2007, 01:25:17 PM
oh damn your right thats from the great muppet caper

the muppet movie was when the try to make it into the movies.  and the muppets take manhatten was when kermit writes a broadway show.

Correct!  Ten cookies for you!
:mowcookie :mowcookie :mowcookie :mowcookie :mowcookie :mowcookie :mowcookie :mowcookie :mowcookie :mowcookie

My first tought:

:ape NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!

My second tought:

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c334/Falcarthum/mob-angry.gif) Chase the cubi.

My third tougth:

Why is so upset Aniz? Maybe there is a clause of an obscure contract he made that could say : "You can keep the boy only if no there any dead involved. Otherwise, your rights over the boy are revoked." Then, he realized that he broke the pact and made a big mess. Ten, accordly with the last count, not counting the hair.

My fourth tought:

Miller-esque scenes really rules.

My fifth tought:

OMG! Amber is following the Rowling's path.

My last tought:

"Aniz won. Cubilitie."

I'm honestly more inclined to believe the regeneration theory than the blind rage theory, simply because something has seriously surprised Aniz, even to the point of stopping him mid-pant ("Haa-UH?"). Notice that, in the fourth panel, he's looking down toward where Hennya's body fell, implying that something about it is NOT how he thinks it should be. If he had just remembered a rule or something about Hennya's status, he would probably have already turned from her, and wouldn't be so transfixed by what should just be a messy pile of snake-Mythos gore.

Also, keep in mind that, were he to completely lose control of himself, he would never have been able to make that little quip about his shirt. He most likely would have just attacked her.

Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on September 08, 2007, 11:42:12 AM
~o/ Heeeeeeenyaaaaaaa, oh Heeeeeeeeeeeenya.... where the giraffes aaaaaaaare, and the zebraaaaaaa.... /o~

Hennya believe it?  :mowhappy

Quote from: pseudocompulsion on September 08, 2007, 03:21:24 PM
I'm honestly more inclined to believe the regeneration theory than the blind rage theory, simply because something has seriously surprised Aniz, even to the point of stopping him mid-pant ("Haa-UH?"). Notice that, in the fourth panel, he's looking down toward where Hennya's body fell, implying that something about it is NOT how he thinks it should be. If he had just remembered a rule or something about Hennya's status, he would probably have already turned from her, and wouldn't be so transfixed by what should just be a messy pile of snake-Mythos gore.

Also, keep in mind that, were he to completely lose control of himself, he would never have been able to make that little quip about his shirt. He most likely would have just attacked her.

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j5/Cogidubnus/sheisdead.jpg)

Not counting her hair, that's -ten- pieces of Hennya. I was wrong earlier. Ten.
Rumors of her death are not exaggerated. This is not a test. This is a dead snake-girl. She is no more! She has gone to meet her maker! She has ceased, to be! This, is a dead Hennya!
And, again, berserker-esque rage is not required to kill someone. He isn't screaming a battle-cry. He isn't drinking her blood, nor bathing in her intestines. He isn't crushing her skull with a rock, either. He is doing the deed of but a moment - I wager that little scene there took no more than a second to do. It doesn't require him losing his mind, just his better judgment for a moment.
Now, it's true. Come next friday, I could be completely wrong. Pyroduck really could be a banana. But I don't think it's too much to say that Hennya really being alive is wishful thinking.
To paraphrase: "Hennya is dead. Please direct all therapy requests to the psychology ward."

Oh, don't get me wrong; I think she's probably dead. I've also assumed that Aniz would kill her since she first attacked him, and, frankly, I'm not a big enough fan of her character to be all that denial-y about it.  I just don't think that Aniz killed her out of some blind berserker rage, and I think that his barrage of F-bombs comes from something surprising about her corpse.

That said, I do like the hydra theory, if only because that would be awesome, and I have an admitted soft spot for anything that's awesome. And her name is Hennya. And she is a many-headed serpent. Actually, with all that in mind, I should rephrase my first sentence: I have no reason not to think that she's dead, but I won't put anything past Amber. She's a devious one.  :mwaha

EDIT: Fixed a tag bracket.

Quote from: Cogidubnus on September 08, 2007, 03:47:05 PM
Not counting her hair, that's -ten- pieces of Hennya. I was wrong earlier. Ten.

Yeah, I'm sure that really matters to her right now  >:3

I had thought that an important part about Killing in Self Defense is the fact that the person performing the self defense fears for his/her life.


Can you honestly say Aniz feared for his life from Henya leaping at him?  Or was he just pissed that she ruined his favorite shirt?

Quote from: Tezkat on September 07, 2007, 10:07:35 PM
Um... ouch? :dface

:yeahthat That abouts sums up my reaction .. ouch  ouch  ouch  ouch OUCH! :C

Quote from: EspyLacopa on September 08, 2007, 04:20:52 PM
I had thought that an important part about Killing in Self Defense is the fact that the person performing the self defense fears for his/her life.


Can you honestly say Aniz feared for his life from Henya leaping at him?  Or was he just pissed that she ruined his favorite shirt?

Personally, I think that Aniz was more infuriated or irritated than anything else. Fear doesn't really seem to be something I would attribute with him, not unless he was confronted with a significantly more powerful force.

Also, I don't get why people are trying to justify Aniz murdering Hennya. He attacked the family first, slapping May around and incapacitating Abel by taking advantage of his fear of blood. Hennya tried to protect them. Shouldn't we be, I don't know, sharpening pitchforks and torches and going to burn the witch (ie, Aniz)?

But I digress.

I had a thought. What if Abel's clan has an affinity for blood? Perhaps Aniz goes berserk at the sight of blood, similar to what happens when a bull sees something red, including other members of his clan. Maybe Abel's hemophobic reaction is because he's only part 'Cubus, or because of some genetic fault, or whatever? This affiliation with blood could be part of the reason Abel isn't quite fond of his clan marking (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_550.php). Plus, his clan marking looks quite similar to a droplet of blood.

~Keaton the Black Jackal

Aniz may have attacked first, but it was Hennya who tried to go lethal first.

Quote from: Tapewolf on September 08, 2007, 05:06:13 PM
Aniz may have attacked first, but it was Hennya who tried to go lethal first.

Honestly, I don't really blame her. Aniz had already confessed to killing Cid in the past, plus he didn't seem to have any qualms about taking the confrontation to an even more violent level. There could've been a chance that Aniz would've killed them, especially after Abel attacked him with the stool. At least from Hennya's perspective, perhaps.

Plus, there's defending yourself, and then there's overkill. Hennya just got bisected, dismembered, and decapitated all in one. I think that's overkill.

But eh. My logic is dictated heavily by emotions. There are probably holes the size of craters in my statement, so nobody get fired up about it.

~Keaton the Black Jackal

Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on September 08, 2007, 04:58:49 PM
I had a thought. What if Abel's clan has an affinity for blood? Perhaps Aniz goes berserk at the sight of blood, similar to what happens when a bull sees something red, including other members of his clan. Maybe Abel's hemophobic reaction is because he's only part 'Cubus, or because of some genetic fault, or whatever? This affiliation with blood could be part of the reason Abel isn't quite fond of his clan marking (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_550.php). Plus, his clan marking looks quite similar to a droplet of blood.

~Keaton the Black Jackal

That is something that I've never thought of...and it sounds like it fits absolutely perfectly. In fact, it is probaby one of the best DMFA theories I've ever heard.
On no! If you're right, Now Amber's gonna change it all just so we're wrong! D: D: D:

No one talk about it anymore. :shifty You did not see anything here, Amber :paranoid Move along *Jedi hand wave*

Quote from: Tapewolf on September 08, 2007, 05:06:13 PM
Aniz may have attacked first, but it was Hennya who tried to go lethal first.

If you are trying to say that, by attacking without explicitly stating he was going to kill, Aniz still deserved only incapacitation, I would have to disagree.
Once force has started to be used, it's go time. Whether or not somebody is going only for pain, maim, or kill, there are still consequences for "Drawing your sword", as it were. It is impossible, from the defender's standpoint, to know the -exact- intentions of an attacker, true. Therefore, you can only react as if they are trying to take your life. You shouldn't use force unless you are prepared for it to be used on you in turn, with possible lethal results.
Put yourself in Hennya's shoes - this obviously sadistic, probably evil, certainly 'Cubi entity is gloating over the bleeding body of your friend. You don't know if he's going to kill him or not, true, but it isn't as though Aniz has proved himself trustworthy in the least. The use of force is most certainly justified, in my most humble of opinions.
What's more, I think we have figured out that Aniz really isn't the most trustworthy of people. Hennya should have gone for the neck.

Quote from: Tapewolf on September 08, 2007, 05:06:13 PM
Aniz may have attacked first, but it was Hennya who tried to go lethal first.

etc. etc. etc... (sorry, not picking on your posts in particular here, just an example...)

Does our morality really matter here? Justified by our morals or not, I don't think it really matters. In the DMFA world, different rules apply, and it's those rules that are going to impact what happens in the comic itself. Unless we just want to decide how much we hate Aniz. I think "he is a mega-jerk" has long been established and accepted after all... (I suppose technically I could be more descriptive as this thread is OK for language, but..)

From the standpoint of the morality of Creatures, this seemed fairly in keeping with their normal operation: strongest wins.

Which really begs the question lots of people are asking.... why is he so upset? The "authorities" are not going to care.
* Vengeful family, clan or friends she had?
* Mentally scaring his son further? I am not entirely sure he CARES considering the way he chose to break the news and slapping Abel's mother around and tormenting her emotionally. Then again he does kinda go back on that in regards to the blood phobia.
* Rules set down by Fa'Lina? He did imply she was going to be upset about something already, so she is _somehow_ involved in what he is upto.
* Something about the "she" (http://missmab.com/Comics/Abel_96.php) mentioned? Which may or may not be Fa'Lina (if it was it would be a bit odd for him to avoid mentioning her name since he already has dropped it).
* Most probably: I have no clue what so ever because I don't know enough... after all, a lot of the motives of the various players has NOT been spelled out in full, much less the full list of them, so... who the heck knows.

Good points [not picking on your posts in particular here, just an example...].  For the record, I don't particularly like Aniz, but I don't like jumping to conclusions either.  I'd prefer to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Amazing comic, Amber! Absolutely great!


Anyways, I have a feeling that tonight's shower of swears is caused by an unaccounted-for entry of a certain demon mare.

Didn't Kria say that she would be stopping by the Rewanz household to talk with Abel?

Let me add to my list of reasons why this may be bad (I kinda forgot this one):
* Anhora (http://missmab.com/Comics/Abel_72.php) whom she was about to get married to, and whom Able was just about to be asked to be Honor Maiden (Seriously, I knew he was kinda girly, but...).

The negative silhouette is wicked. Less graphic and yet more hard-hitting than a "normal" panel would have been. Well played.

Quote from: Tapewolf on September 08, 2007, 07:01:21 AMPerhaps I wrote Hennya off some time ago, but to be honest this strip didn't affect me anything like as much as #815.  (Although I think that one touched a nerve)

Uh... #815 is Mab going superhero.

Quote from: Paul on September 08, 2007, 06:27:27 PM
Uh... #815 is Mab going superhero.

Ugh, typo: it was 814.

Whenever someone posts a link to a past comic, I find myself reading through archives again.

This is a sign of a good comic, I think.

Anyway, so this time, I'm reading Abel's Story from page 1, and I think I just noticed that cookies have been featured in every segment so far, with the possible exception of the "Baby Abel" segment.

Just an observation.  You may now go back to speculating about morality and mortality.

Quote from: Raist on September 08, 2007, 07:29:25 PM
Whenever someone posts a link to a past comic, I find myself reading through archives again.

This is a sign of a good comic, I think.

Anyway, so this time, I'm reading Abel's Story from page 1, and I think I just noticed that cookies have been featured in every segment so far, with the possible exception of the "Baby Abel" segment.

Just an observation.  You may now go back to speculating about morality and mortality.

... If anyone suggests making Hennya into Meat Cookies, I'm gonna be sick...

Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on September 08, 2007, 07:33:19 PM

... If anyone suggests making Hennya into Meat Cookies, I'm gonna be sick...

Okay. Henya Meat Loaf!
/me runs for cover the fury of the Jiggy one!

Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on September 08, 2007, 07:33:19 PM

Quote from: Raist on September 08, 2007, 07:29:25 PM
Whenever someone posts a link to a past comic, I find myself reading through archives again.

This is a sign of a good comic, I think.

Anyway, so this time, I'm reading Abel's Story from page 1, and I think I just noticed that cookies have been featured in every segment so far, with the possible exception of the "Baby Abel" segment.

Just an observation.  You may now go back to speculating about morality and mortality.

... If anyone suggests making Hennya into Meat Cookies, I'm gonna be sick...

Considering she was talking about them just before Abel showed up, I think she'd find it hilariously ironic.

"Oh no, I'm dead.  Oh look, there's my body.  Oh look, cookies!  Tasty meat cookies!"

Quote from: techmaster-glitch on September 08, 2007, 11:04:13 AM

Quote from: Black_angel on September 08, 2007, 10:52:23 AM
(wide-eyed and panting)

Huh...huh...heh....

Hennya?

(slumps and shakes her head) Oh God.

I have nothing to say.

I knew you were going to show up sooner or later...
I was just as speechless as you are.

Not sure what that first part is supposed to mean... Nice to know I'm not the only one who freaked out. I mean, I knew she'd die, but... seriously. I thought being eaten alive was the worst way to die! What a way to prove me wrong!

Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on September 08, 2007, 11:42:12 AM
~o/ Heeeeeeenyaaaaaaa, oh Heeeeeeeeeeeenya.... where the giraffes aaaaaaaare, and the zebraaaaaaa.... /o~

...wait...

...Okay, that was pretty funny.

But Hennya's still dead, dangit!

Quote from: Cogidubnus on September 08, 2007, 03:47:05 PM

(http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j5/Cogidubnus/sheisdead.jpg)

To paraphrase: "Hennya is dead. Please direct all therapy requests to the psychology ward."

Oh, yeah, like I'm not traumatized enough already, Cog! THANKS A LOT!

I think the only thing that is apparent is that is an ugly situation and ended in a way that nobody wanted.  Unfortunately that's what often happens in disputes.

I'm not holding out much hope for Hennya, but the following are the possibilities that I can see for her return to the story.

1. The morphing amulet turns the pieces of severed mythos into an intact being.

2.  The mythos are capable of being cut apart and then stitched back together.  In this case, you might have to burn the body parts or something to kill the mythos.  Perhaps Aniz has a pot of magic glue like was used in The Tin Soldier of Oz.  Possibly support would be the fact that they were able to reattach Abel's wing (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_595.php).

3.  Cubi are skilled in light and dark magic.  Perhaps Fa'lina or Aniz can repair Hennya.  Perhaps there is a doctor in town with the required skills.

4.  The mythos regenerate.

5.  This is all a really bad nightmare  (perhaps Cubi induced).

6.  Somebody has a time reversal spell.

7.  The mythos Hennya is actually a remotely controlled puppet of a body located somewhere else.  She would then merely have to create a new puppet.  Alternatively, the mind of Hennya is actually a symbiote that can be transferred to another host.

Can anybody think of any others?

I've got one.

90% of our Forumite speculation tends to be exactly wrong, so the more we hold out hope that Hennya's alive, the more permanently dead she'll be next Saturday.

Hennya was one of my favorite AS characters.  She's dead.  Get over it.  Let's wonder what Aniz is freaking out about, instead.

Quote from: Raist on September 08, 2007, 10:05:45 PM
I've got one.

90% of our Forumite speculation tends to be exactly wrong, so the more we hold out hope that Hennya's alive, the more permanently dead she'll be next Saturday.

Hennya was one of my favorite AS characters.  She's dead.  Get over it.  Let's wonder what Aniz is freaking out about, instead.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure Hennya's stayin' dead. Aniz is probably freaking out because due to some rules set in place by either Fa'Lina, the Council, or Destania, he wasn't supposed to kill anyone. Notice how even though Abel could've seriously hurt Aniz by snashing a stool over him, Aniz didn't seem to care at all, and avoided killing Abel. (Somehow, I doubt that it was out of sympathy or any form of love.)

So now he's seriously screwed. And he might die as a result. Yay.  :boogie

She was killed just before her wedding too :( Too depressing

Quote
Notice how even though Abel could've seriously hurt Aniz by snashing a stool over him, Aniz didn't seem to care at all, and avoided killing Abel. (Somehow, I doubt that it was out of sympathy or any form of love.)

yes but you seem to be forgetting that killing Abel would have made the proceeding years a big waste of time.  And since it seems the entire charade seems to have been to generate Abel it would have been monumentaly stupid

Quote from: DMFA! on September 08, 2007, 11:16:08 PM
She was killed just before her wedding too :( Too depressing

that struck a nerve with me and makes me wonder if they were waiting for there wedding night...

thats anouther depressing thought

Quote from: thegayhare on September 08, 2007, 11:26:45 PMthat struck a nerve with me and makes me wonder if they were waiting for there wedding night...

thats anouther depressing thought

Doubt it.  It's more likely that Aniz revealed himself because Abel's headwings had come in, signaling  that Abel had reached Cubi Maturity. 

Quote from: EspyLacopa on September 08, 2007, 04:20:52 PMI had thought that an important part about Killing in Self Defense is the fact that the person performing the self defense fears for his/her life.

Well, it's more about protecting your life than fearing for it.  If a guy comes at me with a gun and fires five shots, missing me every time, I may be pretty confident that he'll miss me the last time, but I'd still be justified in firing back.

Though I think some of us would do well to look up the following terms:
Manslaughter (http://dictionary.law.com/default2.asp?selected=1209)
Felony Murder (http://dictionary.law.com/default2.asp?selected=741)

Even of you are defending yourself, if you're doing it during the commission of a crime, you'll probably wind up facing a murder rap.

That would be depressing, Goatmon, but i have to agree with thegayhare. Its seems to make more sense, and do you guys think Aniz...since he seemed to have a completely different reaction when he snapped out of his "trance"... could he feel some guilt or is he just panicing because he disobeyed an order of some sort?

Quote from: Goatmon on September 08, 2007, 11:37:21 PM

Quote from: thegayhare on September 08, 2007, 11:26:45 PMthat struck a nerve with me and makes me wonder if they were waiting for there wedding night...

thats anouther depressing thought

Doubt it.  It's more likely that Aniz revealed himself because Abel's headwings had come in, signaling  that Abel had reached Cubi Maturity. 

lol
no I ment I wondered if Hennya and Ahnora were waiting for there wedding night too...

Quote from: superluser on September 08, 2007, 11:46:40 PM

Felony Murder (http://dictionary.law.com/default2.asp?selected=741)

Oh, cool!  So if two guys break into my house to rob me, and I shoot and kill one in self defense, his buddy gets charged with first degree murder.

Interesting.

Quote from: thegayhare on September 08, 2007, 11:26:45 PM
that struck a nerve with me and makes me wonder if they were waiting for there wedding night...

thats anouther depressing thought

What?  People still do that?  I thought I was the only one.

*fails to believe.*

Aniz probably wasn't in his right mind when he did it, just look at his speech bubbles and his sudden change back and realization :<

Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on September 09, 2007, 12:03:19 AM
Aniz probably wasn't in his right mind when he did it, just look at his speech bubbles and his sudden change back and realization :<

Yeah, he was hopped up on twinkies and playing GTA, that's it. :)

Quote from: WhiteFire on September 09, 2007, 12:15:24 AM

Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on September 09, 2007, 12:03:19 AM
Aniz probably wasn't in his right mind when he did it, just look at his speech bubbles and his sudden change back and realization :<

Yeah, he was hopped up on twinkies and playing GTA, that's it. :)

Is he gonna subpoena the president (http://news.filefront.com/wacky-jacky-subpoenas-george-w-bush/), too?  :erk

ahaha!

FINISH HER!

(http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/7618/dmfatalityva1.jpg)

Also, my hypotheses on why Aniz is going into "Freak-Out Mode"

A) Aniz is under the command of Falina to bring Abel to SAIA.  Falina had a strict "No Murdering" Rule.  Falina also outlined a rather horrific punishment (even for a Cubi) in the event Aniz killed someone.

B) The species of Mythos that Hennya belongs to has some sort of last-ditch resort upon death (acid blood, cell deterioration resulting in the release of a toxic gas, etc).

C) Aniz's assumed form is Ahnora, or his assumed form is the father of Ahnora, and he just killed his/his son's/daughter's/whathaveyou's fiancee.

Ummm, actually maybe he is swearing since Abel is about to snap and go berserk. it's like that high school dance scene in Carrie. ^_^;  Hey wouldn't you if you got back from a friend's funeral and also saw two other people die before that?

He's swearing because he found out he got blood on his new shoes. "I just had them polished!"

I really should not be liking all these edits this much...

Quote from: Raist on September 08, 2007, 11:57:33 PMWhat?  People still do that?  I thought I was the only one.

*fails to believe.*

*Raises hand* Yo.

One thing I'm wondering about - not that I think it really makes much difference, Aniz being the undisputed aggressor with big nasty plans, etc., but why are so many people assuming Hennya was trying to "go lethal"?  There's nothing really suggesting it in the comic, and Amber has explicitly said she made the mistake of going for his shoulder earlier.

Who reckons Abel is going to hear Hennya's dying thoughts?

mm I doubt it really, she was hacked into pieces ^^;;; Not much to say when you're chopped up ><

Nah, you'll have about five-ten seconds to keep thinking about something You only die instantly if your brain itself is taken out. if it's the rest of your body, your brain will live on the oxygen in the blood in your head for a few moments. Go here (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=3143.msg141812#msg141812) for an example. Warning: Very bloody and scary. Not my fault if you check this out.


But yeah, I think I agree with Tapewolf. I'd like to hear Hennya's dying thoughts too.

Quote from: techmaster-glitch on September 09, 2007, 10:34:00 AM
But yeah, I think i agree with Tapewolf. I'd like to hear Hennya's dying thoughts too.

I don't think I'd like to hear them, I just think that we probably will...
And I was going to avoid the gruesome detail on why DMFA! was wrong :P

I think getting chopped into sections is a little bit more fatal than bleeding to death.

You sound like the guy who's name I can't spell from the Pink Panther movie:

"It was a fatal attack."
"Really? How fatal?
"....Completely...fatal..."



Point being, if you get chopped into sections, you still have a little blood in your head. That blood still has oxygen, which is pretty much the only constant fuel your brain needs to function. There would be enough oxygen in that nonmoving blood for your brain to run for a few more moments.

Quote from: Tapewolf on September 09, 2007, 10:37:28 AM

Quote from: techmaster-glitch on September 09, 2007, 10:34:00 AM
But yeah, I think i agree with Tapewolf. I'd like to hear Hennya's dying thoughts too.

I don't think I'd like to hear them, I just think that we probably will...
And I was going to avoid the gruesome detail on why DMFA! was wrong :P

haha thanks for restraining. The link tech-master gave was enough i believe ^^;; and I never knew you cuold still live for a few seconds even with youre head being hacked off

That's actually what people in medieval times belived. When they put someone to the executioner's axe or the guillotine, they showed the dismembered head of the person to the crowd cuz they thought that someone's head could still live up to fifteen minutes after the chopping. In principle they're right, but it's more like fifteen seconds, not minutes.


Of course, no one actually knows this for sure, since you can't talk without your lungs to say what it feels like :rolleyes Scientists just guess based on what the brain needs and what it has right after a head-chop.

I see, I see.

By chance..Its only humanie to say its really the end for her. No turning back now cause I swear what ever perfect goverment that world has..Death is too good for someone like Aniz right now. Mostly the pull of seeing the death of a innocent does something in a persons mind...We'll find out this saturday or someday when Amber feels to update the final conflict

Quote from: techmaster-glitch on September 09, 2007, 11:34:10 AM
Of course, no one actually knows this for sure, since you can't talk without your lungs to say what it feels like :rolleyes Scientists just guess based on what the brain needs and what it has right after a head-chop.

Ah... they -did- actually talk to someone who'd had his head chopped off. IIRC, something about "blink once for yes or twice for no" or some such.

Of course, that means you're going to run out of blood to run the muscles needed to blink... and after that, it's all theory as to whether you can hear or not, let alone respond, but they -did- prove that the brain doesn't die instantly if you get your head removed...


Sadly, this is all hearsay, because I don't have a reference for that particular experiment. I'd like one, though...

You think Hennya's fiancee will want revenge? Or just fall into a horrible depression stage....

Quote from: DMFA! on September 09, 2007, 12:31:49 PM
You think Hennya's fiancee will want revenge? Or just fall into a horrible depression stage....

I think he did the honerable thing and went be a hero with a device and placed it near his temple and the sound it makes rymes with rick rick ;)

haha! XD

 Hennya got diced like a tomato, if Aniz can go berserker style then so can Abel! Snap and kick his ass Abel, you know you want to...

*Charline eats Henya's innards!  On toast even!*  Nom nom... tasty!   :zombiekun2  Speaking as one who has a human scientist advising her (that'd be Charles) I can say with certainty that the brain does indeed last for 1 to 3 minutes after decapitation, longer if it is suddenly cooled.  Consciousness probably lasts for only 30 seconds to 1 minute of that total time, however.  Theoretically, if the vessels could be reattached before that critical period is over, the brain would survive.

Quote from: Alondro on September 09, 2007, 05:21:12 PM
Consciousness probably lasts for only 30 seconds to 1 minute of that total time, however.  Theoretically, if the vessels could be reattached before that critical period is over, the brain would survive.

So would the possible damage to consciousness explain why when the walt disney's head was placed on his new robitic body he craved the flesh of cuban children

Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 09, 2007, 12:18:43 PM
Sadly, this is all hearsay, because I don't have a reference for that particular experiment. I'd like one, though...

I remember reading it was during the Terror in the French Revolution, when there were lots of... erm... "interviewees" available.  :erk It was just a brief mention in a longer article, though, and I can't remember what the experiment's results were.

Quote from: SpottedKitty on September 09, 2007, 05:59:44 PM

Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 09, 2007, 12:18:43 PM
Sadly, this is all hearsay, because I don't have a reference for that particular experiment. I'd like one, though...

I remember reading it was during the Terror in the French Revolution, when there were lots of... erm... "interviewees" available.  :erk It was just a brief mention in a longer article, though, and I can't remember what the experiment's results were.

This might be true. They said when one high-up lady was slaughtered, the executioner held up her head, then slapped her face. Her face actually flushed.

Quote from: Black_angel on September 09, 2007, 07:31:50 PM

Quote from: SpottedKitty on September 09, 2007, 05:59:44 PM

Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 09, 2007, 12:18:43 PM
Sadly, this is all hearsay, because I don't have a reference for that particular experiment. I'd like one, though...

I remember reading it was during the Terror in the French Revolution, when there were lots of... erm... "interviewees" available.  :erk It was just a brief mention in a longer article, though, and I can't remember what the experiment's results were.

This might be true. They said when one high-up lady was slaughtered, the executioner held up her head, then slapped her face. Her face actually flushed.

That's probably not true. At least, not in the sense that you're thinking. Your face "flushes" when extra blood is pumped into your face, brought around by specific stimuli. Now that can't really happen if your head's not connected to your heart anymore, huh? However, a face, or any skin for that matter, can turn red if stuck hard enough. But it technically isn't "blushing".

Quote from: thegayhare on September 09, 2007, 05:29:46 PM

Quote from: Alondro on September 09, 2007, 05:21:12 PM
Consciousness probably lasts for only 30 seconds to 1 minute of that total time, however.  Theoretically, if the vessels could be reattached before that critical period is over, the brain would survive.

So would the possible damage to consciousness explain why when the walt disney's head was placed on his new robitic body he craved the flesh of cuban children

Yes, I believe that's the reason.

So all this stuff about surviving decapitation for a few seconds? Yep. Pretty sure that I never wanted to know that.

At all.

*shudder*

Quote from: pseudocompulsion on September 09, 2007, 09:34:02 PM
So all this stuff about surviving decapitation for a few seconds? Yep. Pretty sure that I never wanted to know that.

At all.

*shudder*

There there...At least Charline and I didnt show you our gallery of cutlery  >:3

Quote from: pseudocompulsion on September 09, 2007, 09:34:02 PM
So all this stuff about surviving decapitation for a few seconds? Yep. Pretty sure that I never wanted to know that.

At all.

*shudder*

You should see wat happens when you apply electric current to freshly dead people.  The faces can twitch and grimace, arms can raise and fingers can point, the diaphram can rise and fall as if the corpse is breathing.  So long as the axonal membranes are still intact, the reflex pathways can function with the application of the proper level of current.

Brain neurons, however, break down fairly rapidly.  They undergo apoptosis and/or necrosis within minutes after death at room temperature.  Their membranes depolarize completely and the fragile network of synaptic connections begins to turn to mush, unless of course you fix the tissue with formaldehyde or another fixative!  Then the cell structures can remain intact, although quite dead.

A certain mad scientist's gruesome experiments in the 19th century in the real Dracula's castle were these very things, terrifying witnesses and causing some doctors at the time to faint... and his work likely inspired Mary Shelly's "Frankenstein".  The History Channel is indeed useful!   ;)

I remember seeing a documentary about real vampire hunters from the 1700's and 1800's.  Apparently, you could tell that a corpse was a vampire because the fingernails kept growing and the corpse growled if you stuck a knife in.

Well, they then went to a forensic pathologist and asked him about fingernails growing and strange sounds if you stuck in a knife.  He said that the fingernails appeared to grow because the flesh shrunk back around the finger tips.  And if you stuck a knife in a decomposing side, you would get a growling or buzzing side as the escaping gases made the edges of the wound vibrate.  (This is similar to intestinal gases escaping through the anus due to a build-up of pressure.  If you don't know what I'm talking about, I'm not going to tell you.)

Isn't it amazing what you can find on The History Channel, especially around Halloween.

By the way, Luigi Galvani (http://reference.info.com/reference?qkw=Luigi%20Galvani&source_id=2222&source_key=Luigi+Galvani) did experiments where electricity was applied to frog's legs.

Nah, see, it's not that I'm squeamish about the head itself being alive, or neurons firing posthumously, or even, uh, zombie dogs (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/11/magazine/11ideas_section4-21.html?ex=1291957200&en=f1e61862c74472e1&ei=5088&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss). It's more like I don't want to think about what it's like to be a living, severed head. That's freaking unsettling, yo.

Though I guess it'd be alright if I got a real nice jar.

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/dragonfire6012/jarro13.gif)

EDIT: I misspelled "squeamish." Crap.

Quote from: Tapewolf on September 09, 2007, 09:49:28 AM
Who reckons Abel is going to hear Hennya's dying thoughts?

....cookies....burning....

Quote from: WhiteFire on September 08, 2007, 05:33:04 PM

Quote from: Tapewolf on September 08, 2007, 05:06:13 PM
Aniz may have attacked first, but it was Hennya who tried to go lethal first.

etc. etc. etc... (sorry, not picking on your posts in particular here, just an example...)

Does our morality really matter here? Justified by our morals or not, I don't think it really matters. In the DMFA world, different rules apply, and it's those rules that are going to impact what happens in the comic itself. Unless we just want to decide how much we hate Aniz. I think "he is a mega-jerk" has long been established and accepted after all... (I suppose technically I could be more descriptive as this thread is OK for language, but..)

From the standpoint of the morality of Creatures, this seemed fairly in keeping with their normal operation: strongest wins.

Which really begs the question lots of people are asking.... why is he so upset? The "authorities" are not going to care.
* Vengeful family, clan or friends she had?
* Mentally scaring his son further? I am not entirely sure he CARES considering the way he chose to break the news and slapping Abel's mother around and tormenting her emotionally. Then again he does kinda go back on that in regards to the blood phobia.
* Rules set down by Fa'Lina? He did imply she was going to be upset about something already, so she is _somehow_ involved in what he is upto.
* Something about the "she" (http://missmab.com/Comics/Abel_96.php) mentioned? Which may or may not be Fa'Lina (if it was it would be a bit odd for him to avoid mentioning her name since he already has dropped it).
* Most probably: I have no clue what so ever because I don't know enough... after all, a lot of the motives of the various players has NOT been spelled out in full, much less the full list of them, so... who the heck knows.

Actually, the authorities would have cause to care. Do note that for a city to prosper, there has to be some sense of laws, especially one which wants to deal with beings. (I'm assuming it does so considering the family's smooth transistion into the city.)

Also.... Kria's due to show up soon... and one last possibility why he'd be paranoid: Perhaps Abel suffered a heart attack? (nore that Abel's eyes are mere dots compared to May's..)

Quote from: techmaster-glitch on September 08, 2007, 05:24:28 PM

Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on September 08, 2007, 04:58:49 PM
I had a thought. What if Abel's clan has an affinity for blood? Perhaps Aniz goes berserk at the sight of blood, similar to what happens when a bull sees something red, including other members of his clan. Maybe Abel's hemophobic reaction is because he's only part 'Cubus, or because of some genetic fault, or whatever? This affiliation with blood could be part of the reason Abel isn't quite fond of his clan marking (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_550.php). Plus, his clan marking looks quite similar to a droplet of blood.

~Keaton the Black Jackal

That is something that I've never thought of...and it sounds like it fits absolutely perfectly. In fact, it is probaby one of the best DMFA theories I've ever heard.
On no! If you're right, Now Amber's gonna change it all just so we're wrong! D: D: D:

No one talk about it anymore. :shifty You did not see anything here, Amber :paranoid Move along *Jedi hand wave*

Heh, thank you very much! :3 I'm glad someone likes the speculation theory. XD Bwahaha.

The more I go over the recent Abel's Story page, the more Hennya's death sort of.. strikes me. Mostly because I went through the whole comic and saw when she was a little kid during her first appearance, and her behavior as an adult. :< Plus there's the fact she was getting married, like you guys say.

~Keaton the Black Jackal

Alright for the whole self defense thing I've been reading about. I'd like to point something out; She attacked him in HIS own home.
The fact of the matter is, he does own the home, it's his family, might not be necessarily what the family wants. However, he has been the care taker and provider for some time. So home invasion is out, considering he's been living there for how long?

Oh, and hi!

Quote from: Nyght on September 19, 2007, 01:26:05 PMAlright for the whole self defense thing I've been reading about. I'd like to point something out; She attacked him in HIS own home.
The fact of the matter is, he does own the home, it's his family, might not be necessarily what the family wants. However, he has been the care taker and provider for some time. So home invasion is out, considering he's been living there for how long?

We actually don't know who owns the house.  Probably the bank.  ;)

Uh, also, home invasion may be out but manslaughter and felony murder (the former is pretty universal, but the latter is only in some jurisdictions) are still possibilities.

... and welcome!

(You might want to post a thread in the Villa saying hi to folks. Or, you might not. Over to you...)

Quote from: superluser on September 19, 2007, 03:26:03 PM
We actually don't know who owns the house.  Probably the bank.  ;)

What, Adventurer doesn't pay enough to cover the mortgage payments?

Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 19, 2007, 03:58:43 PMWhat, Adventurer doesn't pay enough to cover the mortgage payments?

Well, they did move there about 15 years ago, and on a 30-year mortgage, it's probably still mainly the bank's.

Quote from: superluser on September 19, 2007, 03:26:03 PM

Quote from: Nyght on September 19, 2007, 01:26:05 PMAlright for the whole self defense thing I've been reading about. I'd like to point something out; She attacked him in HIS own home.
The fact of the matter is, he does own the home, it's his family, might not be necessarily what the family wants. However, he has been the care taker and provider for some time. So home invasion is out, considering he's been living there for how long?

We actually don't know who owns the house.  Probably the bank.  ;)

Uh, also, home invasion may be out but manslaughter and felony murder (the former is pretty universal, but the latter is only in some jurisdictions) are still possibilities.

Unless he uses the fact there was an attempt on his life. Which, in turn, would make the cause self defense rather than manslaughter. I assume this due in part this is a demon city and being are probably not high on rights. Civil dispute on the other hand could be charged with his sudden strike on his wife. While they could use aggravated assault as a defense, I seriously doubt it would stand up in court. All things considered.

If all else fails, he reverts to his being form, wipes "his wife"s memory or just enough to feed off her emotions and send Abel off to the school. All the while claiming it was in self defense of the home. (Yes, I am ignoring the fact she was a family friend. She's still not a being, dangit. Non-beings on being assault is probably common.)

Quote from: Nyght on September 20, 2007, 12:53:07 AMUnless he uses the fact there was an attempt on his life. Which, in turn, would make the cause self defense rather than manslaughter.

It's still manslaughter.  If you're committing a felony, and in the process of committing that felony, you kill someone, it's manslaughter.  You might be able to claim self-defense if you weren't the instigator, but as soon as you start the assault, it's not self-defense any more.

Quote from: superluser on September 19, 2007, 11:19:44 PM

Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 19, 2007, 03:58:43 PMWhat, Adventurer doesn't pay enough to cover the mortgage payments?

Well, they did move there about 15 years ago, and on a 30-year mortgage, it's probably still mainly the bank's.

That presumes they didn't get anything for their previous house, which, given Aniz/Cid was Adventuring more or less full-time then, I'd guess they probably held freehold, or at least close to.

Sure, moving into a city means the costs are much more, but it's going to at least be a decent deposit, and in -that- case, you'd be looking at a 15 or 20 year mortgage - although, if it was me, I'd be looking for a variable mortgage, so that, when flush, I could pay off more, and when not flush, I could hold off on paying. In that case, almost anything could have happened - but given the sort of person we are supposed to expect Cid to be (and therefore what Aniz is going to be doing, in order to keep his cover) and also given this page (http://missmab.com/Comics/Abel_92.php), particularly panel 5, one would presume that Aniz has paid off the mortgage fully, and "they" own the house freehold.

No real surprises there. ;-]

Quote from: Brunhidden on September 07, 2007, 09:52:14 PM
Hey, ive heard legends where you slice off a dudes head, he picks it back up and tells you how much it stings before beating you with his severed head, it fits right in there somewhere

For the sake of enjoying the apparent necromancy going on in this thread alone, most immortals tend to die when you cut their heads off, let alone the multiple pieces of Hennya that we've counted.

I do wonder what makes a Cubi wing so razor-sharp though...

Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on September 20, 2007, 11:25:28 AM
I do wonder what makes a Cubi wing so razor-sharp though...

You can probably get the edge down to a couple of molecules thick.

Quote from: Tapewolf on September 20, 2007, 11:35:19 AM

Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on September 20, 2007, 11:25:28 AM
I do wonder what makes a Cubi wing so razor-sharp though...

You can probably get the edge down to a couple of molecules thick.

Makes most cooking shows wet their pants :3

Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on September 20, 2007, 11:25:28 AMFor the sake of enjoying the apparent necromancy going on in this thread alone, most immortals tend to die when you cut their heads off, let alone the multiple pieces of Hennya that we've counted.

We don't know if that's true in DMFA.  It would be fun to see what Amber could do with it.  Maybe some Bad Ash jokes?

Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on September 20, 2007, 11:25:28 AM

Quote from: Brunhidden on September 07, 2007, 09:52:14 PM
Hey, ive heard legends where you slice off a dudes head, he picks it back up and tells you how much it stings before beating you with his severed head, it fits right in there somewhere

For the sake of enjoying the apparent necromancy going on in this thread alone, most immortals tend to die when you cut their heads off, let alone the multiple pieces of Hennya that we've counted.

I do wonder what makes a Cubi wing so razor-sharp though...

I just wondered how many immortals you knew, and how long you'd known them.

As to how Aniz's tentacles could slice and dice so readily, it's  a magic food processor (http://www.edeals.info/?m=20070125)