The last thread ended kind of awkward so we're gonna try a fresh start. (It has been moved into an administration only section until the close of auctions. After that, it will be placed in the Mine ~ Damaris)
This here be a thread to talk about the auctions going on currently. Please keep in mind that while talking on the forum, you are ultimately representing it in some way. So try to be on good behavior.
It would probably be advised to avoid making any deals or re-sell plans until after the strips are actually won. Not only due to the tacky factor, but also because a lot can happen in a few days...
As I said before, I have no problem with people who intend to make digital backups of the archives they win...and if various winners want to pool together to amass personal digital collections...that is ultimately up to them.
And finally, to anyone bidding, I give you my thanks...but also would appreciate it much more if the people who are bidding are bidding because owning the archs would bring them happiness. I'd really hate for this auction to result in drama and bad feelings...it would be somewhat a dark cloud over the entire setting.
That said, at the time this post was made: 2 days and 15 hours to go.
Quote from: Amber Williams on June 17, 2007, 01:12:21 AMNot only due to the tacky factor, but also because a lot can happen in a few days...
*Walks in wearing giant novelty sunglasses and a bright neon green tuxedo*
Hey! I have never done ANYTHING tacky in my life!
In all seriousness though, if I contributed to the dismal end of the last thread I appologize.
Your very existance is the dismal end to all things! D:
*Cries and crawls under a rock*
This thread is symbolic in many ways.
this thread is the pinnacle of western literature
Quote from: Netrogo on June 17, 2007, 03:37:56 PM
*Cries and crawls under a rock*
Hey It's Elton John under a Rock.... I know he was the crocodile Rock, but...
Seriously, though don't feed the Loonies too much, because they will turn into troll really fast.
PBH
Quote from: Prof B Hunnydew on June 17, 2007, 05:58:10 PM
Quote from: Netrogo on June 17, 2007, 03:37:56 PM
*Cries and crawls under a rock*
Hey It's Elton John under a Rock.... I know he was the crocodile Rock, but...
Seriously, though don't feed the Loonies too much, because they will turn into troll really fast.
PBH
What else can you discuss on forumnite change prof?
Quote from: Amber Williams on June 17, 2007, 03:34:53 PM
Your very existance is the dismal end to all things! D:
But . . . doesn't that mean he's the end of himself, too? And then he'd just pop out of existence and not be the end of all things. It's a paradox!
Quote from: GreenReaper on June 17, 2007, 08:19:36 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on June 17, 2007, 03:34:53 PM
Your very existance is the dismal end to all things! D:
But . . . doesn't that mean he's the end of himself, too? And then he'd just pop out of existence and not be the end of all things. It's a paradox!
Wait a sec. If I'm the end of everything, then I'm the end of myself. But if I end myself I'm not the end of everything, which means I don't end myself. Which th... *pop*
Now that he's dead, I'm taking his glasses.
Rock?
Needs more cowbell :U
Quote from: RJ on June 18, 2007, 01:38:05 AM
Rock?
Needs more cowbell :U
Heres Some cowbell *insert cowbell sounds here*
:P
-Robbie
Quote from: RJ on June 18, 2007, 01:38:05 AMRock?
Needs more cowbell :U
*peeks underneath the rock* Wait a minute....this isn't a rock!....it's a ROCK LOB-STER!. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxxkKKTEt_k)
Rock pr0n?
Back to the subject of the auction. I've been doing some bidding, and all I have to say is:
MAN, GreenReaper how much do you have ON these things?!!?!?! :erk
I mean, MORE THAN FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS EACH!?!?!?!?!
I wouldn't have believed it until I saw it.
Quote from: CameronCN on June 18, 2007, 05:48:54 PM
Back to the subject of the auction. I've been doing some bidding, and all I have to say is:
MAN, GreenReaper how much do you have ON these things?!!?!?! :erk
I mean, MORE THAN FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS EACH!?!?!?!?!
I wouldn't have believed it until I saw it.
This will break your mind then: http://www.furbid.ws/cgi-bin/auction/item.pl?item=13970
I have a decent war chest myself, and I have the luxury of dividing the prices by two since the pound is strong against the dollar, but the only thing that scares me about the auctions is what Secateur might have up his sleeve :U
Quote from: CameronCN on June 18, 2007, 05:48:54 PM
Back to the subject of the auction. I've been doing some bidding, and all I have to say is:
MAN, GreenReaper how much do you have ON these things?!!?!?! :erk
That's one answer I can't give you, I'm afraid. :mowtongue
Quote from: Tapewolf on June 18, 2007, 05:53:54 PM
I have a decent war chest myself, and I have the luxury of dividing the prices by two since the pound is strong against the dollar, but the only thing that scares me about the auctions is what Secateur might have up his sleeve :U
Hmm. That's a point. I
do have all those pounds stashed away back home in the UK . . .
IN YOUR FACE!!!! HAHAHAHAHAAA!
YOU ONLY HAD $505 ON IT!!!!
I say this in good humor. >:3
And now I'm the highest bidder on chapters 20-21.
Nobody outbid me, please... :<
BUT, don't worry, I don't intend to break them up. I will preserve them and may even give scans to a preservation project if asked nicely.
Quote from: CameronCN on June 18, 2007, 06:55:23 PM
BUT, don't worry, I don't intend to break them up. I will preserve them and may even give scans to a preservation project if asked nicely.
Nicely, eh? We'll just see about that . . . *taps a carrot into his paw with a menacing air*
Quote from: GreenReaper on June 18, 2007, 09:28:08 PM
Quote from: CameronCN on June 18, 2007, 06:55:23 PM
BUT, don't worry, I don't intend to break them up. I will preserve them and may even give scans to a preservation project if asked nicely.
Nicely, eh? We'll just see about that . . . *taps a carrot into his paw with a menacing air*
Well, it's mostly a question of time...
But there's no reason I can't do it if I can figure out why my scanner is behaving so strangely...
Quote from: CameronCN on June 18, 2007, 09:34:40 PM
Well, it's mostly a question of time...
But there's no reason I can't do it if I can figure out why my scanner is behaving so strangely...
Drivers! Nobody wants to write scanner drivers - it's not cool - so they get crappy programmers. That's why they called it Technology Without An Interesting Name (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TWAIN).
Nah, if you read the article you just linked to, they say it's an unaccepted backronym.
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on June 18, 2007, 10:40:20 PM
Nah, if you read the article you just linked to, they say it's an unaccepted backronym.
You're not meant to read my links! Arrgh! *gives Aridas a noogie*
Quote from: GreenReaper on June 18, 2007, 06:46:40 PM
Quote from: CameronCN on June 18, 2007, 05:48:54 PM
Back to the subject of the auction. I've been doing some bidding, and all I have to say is:
MAN, GreenReaper how much do you have ON these things?!!?!?! :erk
That's one answer I can't give you, I'm afraid. :mowtongue
Quote from: Tapewolf on June 18, 2007, 05:53:54 PM
I have a decent war chest myself, and I have the luxury of dividing the prices by two since the pound is strong against the dollar, but the only thing that scares me about the auctions is what Secateur might have up his sleeve :U
Hmm. That's a point. I do have all those pounds stashed away back home in the UK . . .
I've got lots of pounds stashed away in my beer gut! Hyuk hyuk hyuk!
Uhm... ok... I don't really. I'm poor an skinny too. :< But I couldn't pass the opportunity to make a stupid and useless joke! :B
Well, I wasn't going to bid on any of them until I saw how high they were getting in later days - and unfortunately I don't have that much cash lying around. XD;;; Good luck to those bidding. :)
Hmm. Chapter 13 (http://www.furbid.ws/cgi-bin/auction/item.pl?item=232331792) looks like a bargain to me - only $99.99, with the promise of awesome! If only I had one more cent . . .
Tapewolf: Nah. I've chosen to be a spectator in this battle. Have fun!
Quote from: GreenReaper on June 19, 2007, 12:20:50 AM
Hmm. Chapter 13 (http://www.furbid.ws/cgi-bin/auction/item.pl?item=232331792) looks like a bargain to me - only $99.99, with the promise of awesome! If only I had one more cent . . .
That's the problem with promising awesome. People dont like the idea of taking chance on the unknown versus stuff that they know is guaranteed. :<
Back in my day, people would take what was behind Door #3 rather than the 3 peice furniture set!
:mowcookie
I'm glad that the auctions are going well, though. :)
aye, and just 1 hour left :U
Green's slipping behind, possession-wise D:
horror of horrors imo
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on June 19, 2007, 03:23:27 PM
Green's slipping behind, possession-wise D:
Well, I could always up my bids . . .
Quote from: GreenReaper on June 19, 2007, 03:33:58 PM
Well, I could always up my bids . . .
... so up yours. *waves finger* ;-]
I would bid on the awesome that is the one comic validating fire elementals, but I wouldn't want to deprive stileto of that.
I'd bid but they're out of my price range of what I can afford this month. ^^
DMFA is a pursuit only of the wealthy.
Seriously... over $3k total and still nearly half an hour left for any snipers to do their thing... :dface
Yes. ;_; *is so not wealthy* XD
Quote from: Tezkat on June 19, 2007, 03:50:59 PM
Seriously... over $3k total and still nearly half an hour left for any snipers to do their thing... :dface
As it happens, each bid within the last 10 minutes will extend the time remaining to 10 minutes, so sniping isn't possible if you're paying attention.
Quote from: GreenReaper on June 19, 2007, 03:53:37 PM
Quote from: Tezkat on June 19, 2007, 03:50:59 PM
Seriously... over $3k total and still nearly half an hour left for any snipers to do their thing... :dface
As it happens, each bid within the last 10 minutes will extend the time remaining to 10 minutes, so sniping isn't possible if you're paying attention.
Really? That's interesting. o.o
[edit]: O_______________O *as one jumps from 500 to 800*
I'mma keep my hand on my gun.
My credit card would so hate me if I got in on it now. XD!!!
With the values of these, you better get Brinks to transport them.
ya missed one X3
edit: make it 5 :B
Whoever jpmorris is, they're certainly pushing for it. :)
JPMorris is loaded with £££
Quote from: Indilee on June 19, 2007, 03:55:57 PM
Quote from: GreenReaper on June 19, 2007, 03:53:37 PM
Quote from: Tezkat on June 19, 2007, 03:50:59 PM
Seriously... over $3k total and still nearly half an hour left for any snipers to do their thing... :dface
As it happens, each bid within the last 10 minutes will extend the time remaining to 10 minutes, so sniping isn't possible if you're paying attention.
Really? That's interesting. o.o
[edit]: O_______________O *as one jumps from 500 to 800*
Well that's good. It was kind of silly to have the 198-strip batch going for only $5 more than the 100-strip batch. :)
*Holds on and hopes nobody snipes at him* :<
Jesus H Christ! She should just make a portfolio of SAIA BS and sell it for a thousand bucks.
I KNOW the SAIA stuff would sell for high.
And it's a good thing that they're up there - since as you said - they're not just one strip. :D
Well, at least the first wave is done.
I wish I had a cult following. :cry
Aw, they delete too. :( *wanted to see who won!* :D
Quote from: BillBuckner on June 19, 2007, 04:14:11 PM
I wish I had a cult following. :cry
Start looking for niche markets! Pander to your fans but always stay out of reach! Maintain an air of excellence!
Quote from: Netami on June 19, 2007, 04:13:23 PM
Well, at least the first wave is done.
Sneaky - now everyone has to bid on the last two. ;)
Well, grats to those who won! :D
Quote from: GreenReaper on June 19, 2007, 04:15:34 PM
Quote from: Netami on June 19, 2007, 04:13:23 PM
Well, at least the first wave is done.
Sneaky - now everyone has to bid on the last two. ;)
Not with an eleven foot pole made of solid cash, green man. I make it a point to never spend more than half a paycheck on internet people.
Though you know, Amber would probably make more than that with Abel's Story if she ever sold that - once it was done. ^_^
Although I think it would be fun if she got that printed in book form, but that's just me.
Quote from: Indilee on June 19, 2007, 04:18:58 PM
Although I think it would be fun if she got that printed in book form, but that's just me.
Not just you. There's at least two of us. :)
It'd be more fun and raise more money, but the lack of effort and bounty of wealthy fans means it's never going to happen.
Quote from: CameronCN on June 19, 2007, 04:19:48 PM
Quote from: Indilee on June 19, 2007, 04:18:58 PM
Although I think it would be fun if she got that printed in book form, but that's just me.
Not just you. There's at least two of us. :)
Well, we think it'd be awesome. :D
Quote from: Netami on June 19, 2007, 04:15:29 PM
Quote from: BillBuckner on June 19, 2007, 04:14:11 PM
I wish I had a cult following. :cry
Start looking for niche markets! Pander to your fans but always stay out of reach! Maintain an air of excellence!
Isn't that like every webcomic ever?
Quote from: CameronCN on June 19, 2007, 04:19:48 PM
Quote from: Indilee on June 19, 2007, 04:18:58 PM
Although I think it would be fun if she got that printed in book form, but that's just me.
Not just you. There's at least two of us. :)
I think pretty much everyone would like to see that.
Quote from: GreenReaper on June 19, 2007, 04:08:56 PM
Whoever jpmorris is, they're certainly pushing for it. :)
May I suggest you check your PMs for ones signed 'JPM'? >:3
Should have bid harder on the SAIA arc :cry
Too bad it's pretty expensive to get published. ;_;
Quote from: Indilee on June 19, 2007, 04:27:53 PM
Too bad it's pretty expensive to get published. ;_;
Argh... It really isn't! Gone are the days of Cafepress... People don't realize how easy it is to take their digital works to an online publisher and have it done cheaply and professionally in a short amount of time.
Netami, you spelled my name wrong! I've used this name on the internet for a long time and no one has ever been able to agree how many L's and T's are in it, so welcome to the club.
And thank you for not depriving me from the awesomeness behind door number 3. Though it did help that the awesome happened to be cheaper then all the others. And it would have been a dollar cheaper if I hadn't accidentally out bid myself. I wonder if the auctions would have gotten any higher had they ended later. I know that I would have missed this if I hadn't happen to have today off of work.
Also, you're right about digital publishing; with places like Lulu, it doesn't really cost you a thing to publish stuff.
Quote from: Tapewolf on June 19, 2007, 04:27:02 PM
Quote from: GreenReaper on June 19, 2007, 04:08:56 PM
Whoever jpmorris is, they're certainly pushing for it. :)
May I suggest you check your PMs for ones signed 'JPM'? >:3
Should have bid harder on the SAIA arc :cry
It was hard enough! ;p
Now, the only auction left that I can see is between myself and a mysterious individual called "Freyman" for chapters 6-8 - but should I go for it? Tricky . . . *bids $1 every 9 minutes to keep the auction live until he makes up his mind*
Quote from: Netami on June 19, 2007, 04:31:17 PM
Quote from: Indilee on June 19, 2007, 04:27:53 PM
Too bad it's pretty expensive to get published. ;_;
Argh... It really isn't! Gone are the days of Cafepress... People don't realize how easy it is to take their digital works to an online publisher and have it done cheaply and professionally in a short amount of time.
The question is - will they make any profit off of it though? O.O I've heard of Lulu publishing - but I was under the impression that it was like Cafepress. Is it better? I'd still love to see a DMFA book or two... :D
Quote from: stiletto on June 19, 2007, 04:34:07 PM
Netami, you spelled my name wrong! I've used this name on the internet for a long time and no one has ever been able to agree how many L's and T's are in it, so welcome to the club.
And thank you for not depriving me from the awesomeness behind door number 3. Though it did help that the awesome happened to be cheaper then all the others. And it would have been a dollar cheaper if I hadn't accidentally out bid myself. I wonder if the auctions would have gotten any higher had they ended later. I know that I would have missed this if I hadn't happen to have today off of work.
Also, you're right about digital publishing; with places like Lulu, it doesn't really cost you a thing to publish stuff.
Lulu does an excellent job... I've purchased stuff from Kris over at StarslipCrisis that he's had done there and it's beautiful.
And yes, I spelled your name wrong. I even initially took a letter out, considering your spelling incorrect. Whatever the case, stiletto.
HURRAH!
Chapters 20-21 are now mine for $515!
*Dances*
Y'know, it's funny how you guys seem to think I'm rich or something. Really, the only reason I can afford it is because I still live with my parents so I can afford to drain my bank account down to the last $35. :)
Quote from: Netami on June 19, 2007, 04:31:17 PM
Quote from: Indilee on June 19, 2007, 04:27:53 PM
Too bad it's pretty expensive to get published. ;_;
Argh... It really isn't! Gone are the days of Cafepress... People don't realize how easy it is to take their digital works to an online publisher and have it done cheaply and professionally in a short amount of time.
It really is. The only part where expense comes in is simply the fact that color books will cost the buyer more than B&W ones. Which decreases possible sales, but takes nothing out of Amber's pocket.
Quote from: Netami on June 19, 2007, 04:37:09 PM
Quote from: stiletto on June 19, 2007, 04:34:07 PM
Netami, you spelled my name wrong! I've used this name on the internet for a long time and no one has ever been able to agree how many L's and T's are in it, so welcome to the club.
And thank you for not depriving me from the awesomeness behind door number 3. Though it did help that the awesome happened to be cheaper then all the others. And it would have been a dollar cheaper if I hadn't accidentally out bid myself. I wonder if the auctions would have gotten any higher had they ended later. I know that I would have missed this if I hadn't happen to have today off of work.
Also, you're right about digital publishing; with places like Lulu, it doesn't really cost you a thing to publish stuff.
Lulu does an excellent job... I've purchased stuff from Kris over at StarslipCrisis that he's had done there and it's beautiful.
And yes, I spelled your name wrong. I even initially took a letter out, considering your spelling incorrect. Whatever the case, stiletto.
*writes this down to consider in the future for her own writing* :D
Of course, I already pointed this out in the other thread, but by selling the original strips there's little chance that DMFA will ever be published. Amber is also against it. Don't let that stop you from suggesting online publishing to everyone else you know. It's easy and it rocks.
Quote from: Netami on June 19, 2007, 04:40:02 PM
Of course, I already pointed this out in the other thread, but by selling the original strips there's little chance that DMFA will ever be published. Amber is also against it. Don't let that stop you from suggesting online publishing to everyone else you know. It's easy and it rocks.
This is true. I think it would be difficult to publish DMFA in terms of it being Amber's own little project - which took a hiatus and was generally funny little things. Granted, it would be awesome to see it in a book - or even Abel's story in a bookform - but as you've said, Amber is against it. :)
Though I'll have to look into online publishing, thanks for the tip!
Other comics have the advantage that they were...well..more professional in their runs and kept the concept of printing a book in the reserves...so the process is going to be simpler because they have the option of plug-n-chug and are ready for print. People dont realize I'd have to rescan, edit, colour, and word well over 500 strips to get them to moderate printable quality...unless people are so low-standard and desparate they want a pure B&W version for the first 650 comics. Which would suuuuuck since half the appeal of DMFA is the colour.
Even if I spend every day colouring one strip, that will still take me 2 years to get that done.
Not to mention several strips I wouldnt go with printing simply due to copyright issues (the poke-arch, any reference of the TMNT doll) And several strips are completly MIA, so I'd either have to remake them completely or leave them out as well. So yeah...if people want an incomplete, low-quality book...simple as pie.
Its not just about me not having a drive to make one, but for the amount of work I'd be having to put in just to get it on the shelf, I actually dont see a lot of payoff. Other strips have the advantage like I mentioned, that their stuff is pretty much ready-made for the books so the time/effort is essentially lower thus book options are more valid.
Simply put, the time and effort it would take to make a book to a standard that I would want to sell it is simply more than I have the means to do. I'm not dumb enough to try to get a 3rd party to fill in the slack...if I was to do this, its something that I should try to do as much on my own. And there is little promise of financial payoff...but that comes second. I dont want to print a half-assed quality book and I dont have the means/drive to make the full-quality book that I would be proud of selling.
Quote from: Amber Williams on June 19, 2007, 04:45:47 PM
Other comics have the advantage that they were...well..more professional in their runs and kept the concept of printing a book in the reserves...so the process is going to be simpler because they have the option of plug-n-chug and are ready for print. People dont realize I'd have to rescan, edit, colour, and word well over 500 strips to get them to moderate printable quality...unless people are so low-standard and desparate they want a pure B&W version for the first 650 comics. Which would suuuuuck since half the appeal of DMFA is the colour.
Even if I spend every day colouring one strip, that will still take me 2 years to get that done.
Not to mention several strips I wouldnt go with printing simply due to copyright issues (the poke-arch, any reference of the TMNT doll) And several strips are completly MIA, so I'd either have to remake them completely or leave them out as well. So yeah...if people want an incomplete, low-quality book...simple as pie.
Its not just about me not having a drive to make one, but for the amount of work I'd be having to put in just to get it on the shelf, I actually dont see a lot of payoff. Other strips have the advantage like I mentioned, that their stuff is pretty much ready-made for the books so the time/effort is essentially lower thus book options are more valid.
Simply put, the time and effort it would take to make a book to a standard that I would want to sell it is simply more than I have the means to do. I'm not dumb enough to try to get a 3rd party to fill in the slack...if I was to do this, its something that I should try to do as much on my own. And there is little promise of financial payoff...but that comes second. I dont want to print a half-assed quality book and I dont have the means/drive to make the full-quality book that I would be proud of selling.
And that's totally understandable - the effort to get there wouldn't be worth the end result (well, that and the copyright issues here and there). As an artist, you'd obviously want to put out a very nice quality piece of work - because then it'd be your work - and therefore you could be very proud of selling it.
So... start.
Are you going to sell every original strip that you've made since now until ten years from now when you sell the next batch?
Netami has a point. We don't need to have all the strips from the beginning in a book--but it would be very nice to have a book with just a few recent story arcs.
I mean, I love the Cubi - that's original and interesting - so that'd be awesome to work with too in the long run. ^^
But that's really up to Amber. :)
Final auction has now closed (for real this time). Just to sum things up:
Chapter 1: $151 by _dave_m_walter (others: Azlan, Aarykitty)
Chapters 2-5: $200 by GreenReaper (others: Azlan, Freyman)
Chapters 6-8: $236 by Freyman (others: GreenReaper, sodapop)
Chapters 9-10: $350 by GreenReaper (others: Azlan, Arcaton)
Chapters 11-12: $250 by GreenReaper (others: Aarykitty, Azlan)
Chapter "awesome" 13: $101.99 by stiletto (others: Azlan, GreenReaper)
Chapters 14-15: $491 by jpmorris (others: GreenReaper, CameronCN)
Chapters 16-17: $450 by GreenReaper (others: CameronCN, Azlan)
Chapters 18-19: $891 by GreenReaper (others: jpmorris, CameronCN)
Chapters 20-21: $515 by CameronCN (others: GreenReaper, Azlan)
Total: $3635.99 :mowcookie
Congratulations to all the winners - and to Amber, who should be able to deck out the Mowmobile with a purple fluffy interior with the proceeds.
Yay! That should help cover the evil expenses. :D
Grats to those that won. :)
Quote from: Netami on June 19, 2007, 04:49:23 PM
Are you going to sell every original strip that you've made since now until ten years from now when you sell the next batch?
I honestly dont see myself doing DMFA ten years from now. I have other projects I want to do, and as fun as DMFA is for me...I dont intend to make DMFA the only fish in my ocean.
Say Amber, Are you planning to have Abel's Story printed professionally?
I hope all the winners agree to scan in the pages for the losers.
Are any of these other projects in the works somewhere or is that to be determined? :)
Quote from: Amber Williams on June 19, 2007, 05:01:47 PM
Quote from: Netami on June 19, 2007, 04:49:23 PM
Are you going to sell every original strip that you've made since now until ten years from now when you sell the next batch?
I honestly dont see myself doing DMFA ten years from now. I have other projects I want to do, and as fun as DMFA is for me...I dont intend to make DMFA the only fish in my ocean.
That isn't my point. My point is that from now until next month, next year, five years from now, or whenever you want DMFA to kick the bucket, you're going to have strips. You could either sell them like you did here, or collect them and publish with a little extra work. You think your fans wouldn't want a book of the last X chapters? You're damn wrong. You think people wouldn't have enjoyed uncolored strips? Also wrong. Try prompting the community that keeps you afloat next time, you'll be surprised.
Quote from: Amber Williams on June 19, 2007, 05:01:47 PM
Quote from: Netami on June 19, 2007, 04:49:23 PM
Are you going to sell every original strip that you've made since now until ten years from now when you sell the next batch?
I honestly dont see myself doing DMFA ten years from now. I have other projects I want to do, and as fun as DMFA is for me...I dont intend to make DMFA the only fish in my ocean.
I might be going a bit against the current here, but for me I say:
Good for you!
Hmmm..I wonder Tape will have enough still pay for rent in the room
Quote from: Netrogo on June 19, 2007, 05:03:55 PM
Say Amber, Are you planning to have Abel's Story printed professionally?
It's a possibility. I'd have to redo the first 40 something pages...but it is a lot more salvagable. I had considered putting Abel's Story on print with a special edition DMFA-main cd as part of a big package. Even though I likely wont be putting DMFA main to paper, the idea of making a interactive cd thats chock full of special bonus features is something I still am considering.
Honestly, I dont know. I've seen several people attempting printing and it hasnt been working out well for them for multiple reasons. It seems to me sometimes there is this big expectation or prestige level that comes with "oh hey. I have a book printed." that many webcomic artists want to acheive.
Quote from: Amber Williams on June 19, 2007, 05:12:10 PM
Quote from: Netrogo on June 19, 2007, 05:03:55 PM
Say Amber, Are you planning to have Abel's Story printed professionally?
It's a possibility. I'd have to redo the first 40 something pages...but it is a lot more salvagable. I had considered putting Abel's Story on print with a special edition DMFA-main cd as part of a big package. Even though I likely wont be putting DMFA main to paper, the idea of making a interactive cd thats chock full of special bonus features is something I still am considering.
Honestly, I dont know. I've seen several people attempting printing and it hasnt been working out well for them for multiple reasons. It seems to me sometimes there is this big expectation or prestige level that comes with "oh hey. I have a book printed." that many webcomic artists want to acheive.
Oh that would be so awesome - the Abel's Story and a CD with DMFA/bonus stuff. I would totally buy that.
Quote from: Amber Williams on June 19, 2007, 05:12:10 PM
It seems to me sometimes there is this big expectation or prestige level that comes with "oh hey. I have a book printed." that many webcomic artists want to acheive.
Coming at it from a different angle, you also have people like my brother who aren't interested in anything like DMFA unless it's on paper...
Quote from: Amber Williams on June 19, 2007, 05:12:10 PM
It's a possibility. I'd have to redo the first 40 something pages...but it is a lot more salvagable. I had considered putting Abel's Story on print with a special edition DMFA-main cd as part of a big package. Even though I likely wont be putting DMFA main to paper, the idea of making a interactive cd thats chock full of special bonus features is something I still am considering.
If you're looking to make a cd, I'm sure there's folks around who would be interested in helping set it up and cut it...
Quote from: Indilee on June 19, 2007, 04:35:30 PM
Quote from: Netami on June 19, 2007, 04:31:17 PM
Quote from: Indilee on June 19, 2007, 04:27:53 PM
Too bad it's pretty expensive to get published. ;_;
Argh... It really isn't! Gone are the days of Cafepress... People don't realize how easy it is to take their digital works to an online publisher and have it done cheaply and professionally in a short amount of time.
The question is - will they make any profit off of it though? O.O I've heard of Lulu publishing - but I was under the impression that it was like Cafepress. Is it better? I'd still love to see a DMFA book or two... :D
Using online publishers like CafePress or Lulu who do print on demand is vanity publishing that will give you a lot of work and no money. Even if you sell a lot of copies, you will earn little, as there literally is no profit margin. Seriously, it's a racket - the only ones who are certain to make a profit are the companies offering the service. If you desperately want to see your stuff on paper no matter what, heck, go for it, but expect to sell little and earn nothing.
So. Either make something you can get published by a real actual publisher who pays you real actual money,
or self-publish if you're certain you can sell at least 800-1000 copies, and use litho printing. Bulk litho printing is cost-effective while print on demand is not. Remember, colour printing is much more expensive and requires a higher print run before you break even.
I think that for DMFA, Amber's idea of an interactive CD is excellent - somehow, that medium just seems to fit that comic better. :)
Quote from: Paul on June 19, 2007, 08:26:33 PM
Using online publishers like CafePress or Lulu who do print on demand is vanity publishing that will give you a lot of work and no money. Even if you sell a lot of copies, you will earn little, as there literally is no profit margin. Seriously, it's a racket - the only ones who are certain to make a profit are the companies offering the service. If you desperately want to see your stuff on paper no matter what, heck, go for it, but expect to sell little and earn nothing.
I think both Lulu and CafePress allow the seller to set the profit margin. That said, there are probably better options if it were actually to be done.
Quote from: Paul on June 19, 2007, 08:26:33 PM
Quote from: Indilee on June 19, 2007, 04:35:30 PM
Quote from: Netami on June 19, 2007, 04:31:17 PM
Quote from: Indilee on June 19, 2007, 04:27:53 PM
Too bad it's pretty expensive to get published. ;_;
Argh... It really isn't! Gone are the days of Cafepress... People don't realize how easy it is to take their digital works to an online publisher and have it done cheaply and professionally in a short amount of time.
The question is - will they make any profit off of it though? O.O I've heard of Lulu publishing - but I was under the impression that it was like Cafepress. Is it better? I'd still love to see a DMFA book or two... :D
Using online publishers like CafePress or Lulu who do print on demand is vanity publishing that will give you a lot of work and no money. Even if you sell a lot of copies, you will earn little, as there literally is no profit margin. Seriously, it's a racket - the only ones who are certain to make a profit are the companies offering the service. If you desperately want to see your stuff on paper no matter what, heck, go for it, but expect to sell little and earn nothing.
So. Either make something you can get published by a real actual publisher who pays you real actual money, or self-publish if you're certain you can sell at least 800-1000 copies, and use litho printing. Bulk litho printing is cost-effective while print on demand is not. Remember, colour printing is much more expensive and requires a higher print run before you break even.
I think that for DMFA, Amber's idea of an interactive CD is excellent - somehow, that medium just seems to fit that comic better. :)
I don't mean to sound negative, but Paul obviously has absolutely no idea how print-on-demand publishing works. I myself just sold a print on Cafepress last Thursday. It cost me nothing, and I made four bucks, which is what I set it to pay me when I sell something.
You can even buy many copies of your book and sell them yourself with many print-on-demand places, which lets you set the price as high as your slavering fans are willing to pay. Plus, you can autograph them, which makes the slavering fans pay even more cuz they think you like them. >:3
And to CameronCN from the previous page: I too live with my parents. But I'm paying all the bills because my father's been out of work for a year and a half. >(
Quote from: GreenReaper on June 19, 2007, 08:31:06 PMI think both Lulu and CafePress allow the seller to set the profit margin. That said, there are probably better options if it were actually to be done.
Yes, they allow you to set the sales price. Just remember, if you set the price much higher than what a similar book made by a real publisher costs, practically no one will buy it. You may sell a handful of books to a few hardcore fans, but where's the point in making twenty times five bucks considering the time it takes to prepare a book for print?
Quote from: CameronCN on June 19, 2007, 08:33:25 PMI don't mean to sound negative, but Paul obviously has absolutely no idea how print-on-demand publishing works.
Yeah right. I only happen to have worked professionally in publishing for ten years, but obviously I know nothing about it. You missed the point: Like I said - if you desperately want to see your stuff on paper no matter what, go for it - but it's for vanity. So you made four bucks - for a reasonable wage, that justifies, what, ten minutes of work? Making a book is a
massive amount of work. Gotta sell a lot of copies with an actual profit margin to justify that. Unless, again, you're doing for reasons of vanity. Which is not a bad reason, I suppose. Whatever floats your boat.
Quote from: Alondro on June 19, 2007, 08:39:47 PM
You can even buy many copies of your book and sell them yourself with many print-on-demand places, which lets you set the price as high as your slavering fans are willing to pay. Plus, you can autograph them, which makes the slavering fans pay even more cuz they think you like them. >:3
And to CameronCN from the previous page: I too live with my parents. But I'm paying all the bills because my father's been out of work for a year and a half. >(
In that case it's called your parents are living with
you. :P
Quote from: Paul on June 19, 2007, 08:59:44 PM
Quote from: GreenReaper on June 19, 2007, 08:31:06 PMI think both Lulu and CafePress allow the seller to set the profit margin. That said, there are probably better options if it were actually to be done.
Yes, they allow you to set the sales price. Just remember, if you set the price much higher than what a similar book made by a real publisher costs, practically no one will buy it. You may sell a handful of books to a few hardcore fans, but where's the point in making twenty times five bucks considering the time it takes to prepare a book for print?
Quote from: CameronCN on June 19, 2007, 08:33:25 PMI don't mean to sound negative, but Paul obviously has absolutely no idea how print-on-demand publishing works.
Yeah right. I only happen to have worked professionally in publishing for ten years, but obviously I know nothing about it. You missed the point: Like I said - if you desperately want to see your stuff on paper no matter what, go for it - but it's for vanity. So you made four bucks - for a reasonable wage, that justifies, what, ten minutes of work? Making a book is a massive amount of work. Gotta sell a lot of copies with an actual profit margin to justify that. Unless, again, you're doing for reasons of vanity. Which is not a bad reason, I suppose. Whatever floats your boat.
Well, obviously nobody is going to be making a
living writing books for print-on-demand. But if it's something you made anyway that has a lot of fans who want a book, you can make pretty good money for a relatively small amount of work. You have to remember that I only sold one print and only made $4 because I've got maybe 35 readers. :U Amber's got what, several thousand?
Its always been an unsaid rule of webcomics that for every 1000 readers you have, expect only 1-10 to be willing to buy something from you.
I've seen waaay too many comic artists make the mistake of saying "If I only got $1 for every reader I had..." or something like that. Its a dangerous assumption that everyone who reads your comic is a fan enough to want to buy something from it.
Quote from: CameronCN on June 19, 2007, 09:05:16 PMWell, obviously nobody is going to be making a living writing books for print-on-demand. But if it's something you made anyway that has a lot of fans who want a book, you can make pretty good money for a relatively small amount of work. You have to remember that I only sold one print and only made $4 because I've got maybe 35 readers. :U Amber's got what, several thousand?
Just to be clear, there's nothing wrong with vanity publishing. Hobbies are fun - I have a website I've spent many hours making, solely for ego feeding purposes. But what I was addressing was
profitability: Amber just made $3635.99 selling her original artwork, and a few people said she should rather have made a DMFA book. Could she really have made that much by selling DMFA books via Lulu? Only a fraction of the readers of your webcomic will be willing to buy a book with it, which is a lesson many webcomic authors have made.
Edit: Oops, ninja'ed by Amber. What she said.
Well if you're looking at it strictly as a numbers thing, she could always do both. Publish it, by whatever means, AND sell the originals. Kristopher Straub wouldn't use Lulu if he didn't think it would make him some cash. It's not as much as a loss market as you think.
Everyone can quit with the $3635.99; when I sent Amber the money I added an extra penny to counteract that 99 cents.
But pointing out your hilarious bid amuses everyone ^^
Hehe... too cheap to bid a penny... heh heh. :giggle
Well it wasn't really my doing. Someone else bid to that 99 cents, and I could only increase in dollar increments from that.
Quote from: stiletto on June 19, 2007, 10:41:12 PM
Well it wasn't really my doing. Someone else bid to that 99 cents, and I could only increase in dollar increments from that.
It was I! Muhaha!
You could perhaps have increased by a dollar and 99 cents one of the times, but I agree that would have spoilt the fun. :)
People would have bought the DMFA book... else Charline would hunt them down one by one, slaughtering them in an unspeakable manner so hideous not even Hostel III would dare to feature it! :U
*Amber's potential book sales quickly surpass Harry Potter* ;)
Quote from: Alondro on June 20, 2007, 01:12:34 AM
People would have bought the DMFA book... else Charline would hunt them down one by one, slaughtering them in an unspeakable manner so hideous not even Hostel III would dare to feature it! :U
*Amber's potential book sales quickly surpass Harry Potter* ;)
That would do it! >:3
So... Um... About the comic-archive effort, where Greenreaper was going to have them all scanned, is this still going to happen? It looks like Green has most of the chapters, Tape has one, and he is certainly going to archive them, but what about _dave_m_walter and Freyman? Im hoping they can be convinced to scan the ones they won, otherwise, well, we wont be able to restore high-quality copy's of the entire archive!
Also, with regards to the Abel's story arc and reconstruction, im thinking that set, being recent and all, wouldn't be too hard to reconstruct via using the low-quality colors, stretched and restored, and newly-scanned high-quality lines. If amber could do that or let us fans do it, it might save her alot of time, to be spent on more important things(actually doing the cd, new comics, new arcs...).
-RobbieThe1st
Quote from: RobbieThe1st on June 20, 2007, 02:00:56 AM
So... Um... About the comic-archive effort, where Greenreaper was going to have them all scanned, is this still going to happen? It looks like Green has most of the chapters, Tape has one, and he is certainly going to archive them, but what about _dave_m_walter and Freyman? Im hoping they can be convinced to scan the ones they won, otherwise, well, we wont be able to restore high-quality copy's of the entire archive!
I am picking my 500 strips up at Anthrocon so I will be doing nothing with them until then. After that, yes, although no guarantees on timing. Two other large sets were won by known forum regulars. The other two, I don't know. I would note that they are relatively small sets, particularly the first one - only 52 strips in total. It would not take an insane amount of time to record them for later, on either end.
Actually Chapters 6,7,8 was won by a forum regular...who just happens to be a big ole lurker with a sneaky auction name so I didnt realize who it was till he mailed me.
But he's pretty easy-going cool and also going to AC...so at worst I could probably try to scan those chapters in myself if need be since they are small.
Once I get word back from the winner of Chapter 1, I think most things will be covered for and I can start mailing things out or prepping stuff up.
In case peeps are wondering, Stiletto won as part of the awesome suprise aspect: a bonus commission of up to 2 figures, and a cameo in DMFA. I kept them secret mainly because I have a horrible sense of humour, and got the feeling people would bid simply because of those rather than on the strip itself. But still...good fun. :3
Quote from: Amber Williams on June 20, 2007, 03:01:10 AM
In case peeps are wondering, Stiletto won as part of the awesome suprise aspect: a bonus commission of up to 2 figures, and a cameo in DMFA. I kept them secret mainly because I have a horrible sense of humour, and got the feeling people would bid simply because of those rather than on the strip itself. But still...good fun. :3
stiletto: I bet you're glad you paid the extra cent now! ;)
It's spelled "Stielletto"
Stiltelo. Right in the user name. Just... sort've get real close to your monitor.
Quote from: Netami on June 20, 2007, 03:19:17 AM
Stiltelo. Right in the user name. Just... sort've get real close to your monitor.
My optometrist says I shouldn't do that, it's bad for my eyes. And we norns have big (http://www.zen40327.zen.co.uk/pics/GreenKaiHerbie.jpg) eyes (http://www.zen40327.zen.co.uk/pics/GreenKaiAngel.jpg), so if they mess up we're in trouble!
Well just remember the amount of O's, T's, and L's in the name Stiletto.
Quote from: Amber Williams on June 20, 2007, 03:01:10 AM
Actually Chapters 6,7,8 was won by a forum regular...who just happens to be a big ole lurker with a sneaky auction name so I didnt realize who it was till he mailed me.
But he's pretty easy-going cool and also going to AC...so at worst I could probably try to scan those chapters in myself if need be since they are small.
Once I get word back from the winner of Chapter 1, I think most things will be covered for and I can start mailing things out or prepping stuff up.
In case peeps are wondering, Stiletto won as part of the awesome suprise aspect: a bonus commission of up to 2 figures, and a cameo in DMFA. I kept them secret mainly because I have a horrible sense of humour, and got the feeling people would bid simply because of those rather than on the strip itself. But still...good fun. :3
What an awesome surprise. :) I bet Stiletto is thrilled. :D!
*sighs* I can just chalk this up to one more reason I really miss my old job. I would only have been able to beat the going price by a few bucks even if I could have bid from work (Furbid is blocked), so even adding my bid on Tuesday before I left for work wouldn't have guaranteed success.
At my old job, I worked from home Tues-Thurs, so I would've been able to track the auction to the very last second! Not to mention I'd have had something like $10,000 saved (or more, since I'd have been able to catch the metal futures market at the beginning its price surge and quintupled my money at the very least).
The whole comic would have been mine... MINE!!! But all my plans are foiled... all thanks to one country...
Damn you Ireland for stealing my job! Dang job-stealin' Irish! *agrees with "Blazing Saddles"* We won't take the Irish! :P
Quote from: Amber Williams on June 20, 2007, 03:01:10 AM
In case peeps are wondering, Stiletto won as part of the awesome suprise aspect: a bonus commission of up to 2 figures, and a cameo in DMFA. I kept them secret mainly because I have a horrible sense of humour, and got the feeling people would bid simply because of those rather than on the strip itself. But still...good fun. :3
TOTALLY WORTH IT!
Besides, you get money either way, what do you care which portion of the package they're paying for?
Because she has that evil sense of humor, and I'm quite happy for it.
As for my name, I was just letting you know, and knowing is half the battle.
Quote from: stiletto on June 20, 2007, 10:48:32 PM
Because she has that evil sense of humor, and I'm quite happy for it.
As for my name, I was just letting you know, and knowing is half the battle.
The other half is VIOLENCE!!!
Well, yes, but that's not important. I don't condone violence that hurts me, so I go with the other half.
Quote from: stiletto on June 20, 2007, 11:33:53 PM
Well, yes, but that's not important. I don't condone violence that hurts me, so I go with the other half.
The violence is VERY important. You can't teach children valuable life lessons without blowing something up or shooting a whole lotta people. It just doesn't work like that.
Please note that Violence can be substituted for Narcotics as you see fit.
What about good old fashioned beer and bitches? :3
Don't forget the Rock n' Roll.
We're gonna corrupt the minors with our talk of violence, beer, bitches, and drugs.
I'm so proud >:3
Congrats to the winners (winner?)
winner.
Definitely.
The person here who won was Amber. ;-]
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on June 22, 2007, 06:53:40 AM
winner.
Definitely.
The person here who won was Amber. ;-]
I honestly expected the auctions to go much higher considering how much the book of cute went for. But yeah Amber still made off like a bandit :giggle
As she should, no?
I mean, this is, what, 6 years of work, here? Surely 6 years of work is worth more than, what, less than four grand?
Quote from: Netrogo on June 22, 2007, 07:18:36 AM
I honestly expected the auctions to go much higher considering how much the book of cute went for. But yeah Amber still made off like a bandit :giggle
It could very well have done. If I hadn't panicked and grabbed 'Disasters', I could have concentrated on SAIA instead. And then things could have gone quite differently. If SAIA had closed before 'Disasters', then I would have focused on it by preference - Dan's experience there reminds me of my own time at University, so I have an emotional connection with that particular arc.
Anyway, while I could have afforded to buy both - I had a major "What are you doing??" moment when I realised the combined price exceeded the sum I spent on the Korg. Damned financial sense :rolleyes
Quote from: Netrogo on June 22, 2007, 07:18:36 AM
I honestly expected the auctions to go much higher considering how much the book of cute went for. But yeah Amber still made off like a bandit :giggle
What is/was the book of cute?
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on June 22, 2007, 08:24:27 AM
As she should, no?
I mean, this is, what, 6 years of work, here? Surely 6 years of work is worth more than, what, less than four grand?
That was basically my argument for paying what I did. If a strip takes an hour to ink (being wildly optimistic) and you have 500 strips, and minimum wage is $5.15, then that means each strip
should be worth at least about $5 - assuming comic artists work at least minimum wage. So that's what I bid. Obviously some people value certain arcs a bit more. ;)
Now, you can say that it's old art, and Amber was learning, and she already got paid somewhat with donations, but still...
Ultimately the strips were doing nobody any good in a box. If Amber feels she got a good deal and so do we, then we're all winners.
Quote from: GreenReaper on June 22, 2007, 02:08:59 PM
Ultimately the strips were doing nobody any good in a box. If Amber feels she got a good deal and so do we, then we're all winners.
... which is the best case all round, I guess.
Quote from: AndersW on June 22, 2007, 01:10:40 PM
Quote from: Netrogo on June 22, 2007, 07:18:36 AM
I honestly expected the auctions to go much higher considering how much the book of cute went for. But yeah Amber still made off like a bandit :giggle
What is/was the book of cute?
Book of filthy pornography.
Quote from: AndersW on June 22, 2007, 01:10:40 PM
What is/was the book of cute?
Long story short, Amber sold a sketchbook for a thousand bucks (http://www.furbid.ws/cgi-bin/auction/item.pl?item=13970).
I don't believe we ever heard whether Secateur took her up on the offer to draw chibi pr0n though. >:]
Where the hell are you guys getting porn from? It's just a cute pictures book, and she offered to draw a chibi pic not chibi porn :erk
Not that there's anything WRONG with porn mind you :grin
Quote from: Netrogo on June 22, 2007, 03:10:14 PM
Where the hell are you guys getting porn from? It's just a cute pictures book, and she offered to draw a chibi pic not chibi porn :erk
As I recall she said that if the winner requested porn as the chibi commission, she could not in good conscience turn them down. Or something along those lines...
It was actually 100% pornography.
Quote from: Netami on June 22, 2007, 03:19:35 PM
It was actually 100% pornography.
Riiiiiight. For some reason when you say it that way I just picture you wearing a cheap cardboard mask of Bill's face.
Yep. Commited deicide, really.
I skinned bill's face and stretched on one of the sides of llearch, then promptly cut it out to fit over the face or perhaps attached a popsicle stick. You'll never know.
*evil laugh*
This thread has served it's purpose in life, and will now die.