And it's blue! As much of a pain in the ass he becomes I think that's really cute. Magic has it's uses clearly.
Now I'm starting to get a sense of why Aniz is so desperate to rebuild his clan. He went from everything to practically nothing. No wonder he snapped.
And... wow... so Aniz and Destania did have a thing. I sense that next week will be showing the relationship going south. Meanwhile, I'm going to sit back with my popcorn and watch the oncoming storm...
or the train wreck that Aniz became (and caused).
Woah, what?
Wow. That came out of the blue.
Ack! Bad pun!
Meanwhile, back in the main strip:
Abel: "You wanna hear something really freaky?"
Dan: "What?"
Abel: "My dad dated your mom."
Quote from: AmigaDragon on April 24, 2009, 03:14:44 AM
Meanwhile, back in the main strip:
Abel: "You wanna hear something really freaky?"
Dan: "What?"
Abel: "My dad dated your mom."
Dan: "Where did that come from?"
Abel: "I don't know. I just suddenly remembered it."
This gives some insight into the relationship
now between Destania and Aniz...
Wow....
This is payback for Dan's thought that ABEL had a crush on Destania.... :erk
(Okay, "payback" isn't the right word, but it's late and I can't think of it just now....)
#53, yes?
Comic: And so it began...
:mwaha
Oh, now that is interesting. Unless I'm very much mistaken, Siar is now dead which means that the fall of the clan happened within the last 800 years. That I did not expect.
The page says 52 but the link name says 53 so. I also see a missed a / in the date damnit lemme fix.
Being up earlier than usual makes my gramatical and spelling skills fail :<
Amber you are a master of the unexpected.
(at least unexpected by me, dunno bout' the rest of yall) ^^;
:erk Th-that was unexpected. Though yeah this gives us major insight as to why Aniz went crazy.
:twist
Rawr...
This needs a badly written fanfic now, any takers?
Now Amber won't let the whole Aniz is Dan's father idea die out.
Misery and Pain. A lovely combination. Neither will ever go hungry.....
A haiku
A love brang great pain
Misery loves company
Aniz dates Dans mom
Quote from: Paladin Sheppard on April 24, 2009, 04:19:39 AM
:twist
Rawr...
This needs a badly written fanfic now, any takers?
Hey, you're the one who brought it up.
What I want to know is why the relationship between Aniz and Destania was such a surprise. Was it just that she was older or was there something more sinister like a feud between the families.
Quote from: Naldru on April 24, 2009, 06:02:35 AM
What I want to know is why the relationship between Aniz and Destania was such a surprise. Was it just that she was older or was there something more sinister like a feud between the families.
From the last panel, it sounds like Siar didn't approve of the match, so yes. Sounds to me like it bloomed into a full-fledged war between the two clans.
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 24, 2009, 06:35:17 AM
Quote from: Naldru on April 24, 2009, 06:02:35 AM
What I want to know is why the relationship between Aniz and Destania was such a surprise. Was it just that she was older or was there something more sinister like a feud between the families.
From the last panel, it sounds like Siar didn't approve of the match, so yes. Sounds to me like it bloomed into a full-fledged war between the two clans.
We'll see, but Destania
is thousands of years older than Aniz at that point, yes. We've had no hit of bad blood between the Siar and Cyra clans as of yet, so let's not jump to conclusions.
Quote from: inuhanyo on April 24, 2009, 07:16:59 AM
We'll see, but Destania is thousands of years older than Aniz at that point, yes. We've had no hit of bad blood between the Siar and Cyra clans as of yet, so let's not jump to conclusions.
The first panel is quite clearly implying (if not actually saying so) that Aniz was alive during Siar's reign. Otherwise they wouldn't be considered a particularly powerful clan, and "they" (being the rulers of Aniz' clan) wouldn't really be in a position to object.
We know from Abel's bio that in the present day the clan has been fragmented to the point of extinction. Abel in the present and Aniz (when he chopped up Hennya) didn't show any tentacle-heads.
That's not conclusive, but it very strongly implies that Siar was killed, which must have had happened
after the major wars. There aren't many things that can take down a Tri-Wing, but another Tri-Wing is going to be among those.
Is it conclusive? No. But it's the setup we've been given. It'll be interesting to see if it pans out that way or if there's another twist or two in there.
Quote from: inuhanyo on April 24, 2009, 07:16:59 AM
... so let's not jump to conclusions.
That's pretty much all these guys do around here, so they can have the chance to feel good about themselves when/if they're proven right.
Quote from: Mao Laoren on April 24, 2009, 07:30:23 AM
That's pretty much all these guys do around here, so they can have the chance to feel good about themselves when/if they're proven right.
Fine. What would you prefer to discuss?
I never said I minded either way. I was merely pointing out that telling people on this board of all boards not to jump to conclusions was a pretty pointless thing to do. I'm sure it would all shrivel up into nothingness if we didn't have theorists plinking out wild speculations.
now THAT'S a twist i didn't see coming at ALL.
and after a day of student teaching, baby sitting, cats arriving and lesson planning...i am too tired to work out exactly what it means. damn you amber! damn youuuuuu!
A student hitting on a teacher. Were this the real world the media would be up in arms... and everyone who'd ever listened to the song 'Hot for Teacher' and liked it would be giving Aniz high fives for a rather slick move.
Personally, I find it surprising that Destania isn't exactly turning him down. I would have expected her to act like an ice queen.
All I can say, is that this plot twist will create interesting developments. And equally interesting consequences.
i just hand an awkward thought. If D were to have actually taken Aniz up on the whole dating thing... would that make D a cougar, or a pedophile? :U
Is this gonna turn into a very, very disturbing version of Romeo and Juliet, only without Romeo and Juliet dying?
Only if she accepts that flower a moment or so from now and doesn't utterly trounce him. Either way. I can't wait to see how she uses him to her own ends and how it turns out to this big betrayal that she's been talking about.
Quote from: Mao Laoren on April 24, 2009, 08:18:48 AM
Only if she accepts that flower a moment or so from now and doesn't utterly trounce him. Either way. I can't wait to see how she uses him to her own ends and how it turns out to this big betrayal that she's been talking about.
Could go either way. If he's badly enough smitten with her, it might have become a long, drawn-out thing as he tries to prove his worthiness.
You have to admit, Destania was acting kind of like she'd been spurned.
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 24, 2009, 08:23:16 AM
Quote from: Mao Laoren on April 24, 2009, 08:18:48 AM
Only if she accepts that flower a moment or so from now and doesn't utterly trounce him. Either way. I can't wait to see how she uses him to her own ends and how it turns out to this big betrayal that she's been talking about.
Could go either way. If he's badly enough smitten with her, it might have become a long, drawn-out thing as he tries to prove his worthiness.
You have to admit, Destania was acting kind of like she'd been spurned.
by the sounds of it, Aniz is something of a proverbial Don Juan. that is to say, she prolly caught him with another.
Quote from: Turnsky on April 24, 2009, 08:24:58 AM
by the sounds of it, Aniz is something of a proverbial Don Juan. that is to say, she prolly caught him with another.
That would do it.
Well, this helps to explain Destania's relationship with Edward a bit. She certainly doesn't look like a bloodthirsty monster here, and, if Aniz could get her to fall for him, Edward probably could too, even after she's been spurned by Aniz.
Going more out on a limb here... I would venture to say that Destania's probably attracted to helplessness in her lovers. We've only two examples, but Aniz was a student and very young, and Edward, of course, was a being. She could probably have killed them both in three seconds flat (at least until Aniz graduated and went nuts).
Just a theory.
Quote from: Indy on April 24, 2009, 08:55:43 AMWell, this helps to explain Destania's relationship with Edward a bit. She certainly doesn't look like a bloodthirsty monster here, and, if Aniz could get her to fall for him, Edward probably could too, even after she's been spurned by Aniz.
Maybe Edward vanquished Aniz :U
My reaction?
*jawdrop* Ohhhhhhhhhhhh...sh*t...
Yeah, no points for guessing the general gist of what's about to happen next...
Just saying that There is a 99% chance that someone will revive the Edward = Aniz theory so to all formers be on guard.
Also I just had a tough what clan does a cubi belong to if his/her parents are from two different clans? is a new clan formed? dose the cubi not have a clan? does he go to the clan of the mother/fathers? does the newly born belong tho the more powerful parent/clan? or is a sort of accorder made between the parent's/clan's? these are some of the possible theory's that may be possible.
Quote from: Jack McSlay on April 24, 2009, 09:22:13 AM
Quote from: Indy on April 24, 2009, 08:55:43 AMWell, this helps to explain Destania's relationship with Edward a bit. She certainly doesn't look like a bloodthirsty monster here, and, if Aniz could get her to fall for him, Edward probably could too, even after she's been spurned by Aniz.
Maybe Edward vanquished Aniz :U
oh god, not another one! :U
Quote from: Garsemor on April 24, 2009, 09:37:00 AM
Just saying that There is a 99% chance that someone will revive the Edward = Aniz theory so to all formers be on guard.
Amber did that with this comic. She's just playing with us now.
Quote from: Garsemor on April 24, 2009, 09:52:58 AM
Also I just had a tough what clan does a cubi belong to if his/her parents are from two different clans? is a new clan formed? dose the cubi not have a clan? does he go to the clan of the mother/fathers? does the newly born belong tho the more powerful parent/clan? or is a sort of accorder made between the parent's/clan's? these are some of the possible theory's that may be possible.
The child,
if it is a cubi, is from the more powerful clan.
Edit: If both parents are cubi then the child will be a cubi.
Amber got out her pointed stick, rang the Aniz=Edward theorists dinner bell, and is now poking them thru the bars shouting "Dance for me monkeys! Dance! Ahahahahahaaaaa!" :mwaha
Very interesting developments indeed -- if it seemed that Destania was taking the whole Aniz thing very personally, well, she was, apparently. I foresee not only love lying bleeding, but lots of bystanders as well.
She *has* mentioned that it amuses her to no end to watch this stuff go on because she could end it with a word.
I'm sure Amber is looking down on us and laughing at us at this very moment as we wright.
Quote from: tiggertoo on April 24, 2009, 10:17:25 AM
Amber got out her pointed stick, rang the Aniz=Edward theorists dinner bell, and is now poking them thru the bars shouting "Dance for me monkeys! Dance! Ahahahahahaaaaa!"
Very much so. Whether the theory is true or false, it looks like she's now going to try and get people thinking along those lines just to muddy the waters. Expect more newbies to pop up saying "Has anyone thought that..."
That said, it occurs to me that if the theory is in any way true it might have been the steamroller she was saving up for the end of Abel's Story.
I personally do not believe in the Edward = Aniz theory but if it is true than that would make Abel and Dan half brothers.
But if it's true.
Abel = Dan's brother = huge chaotic train wreck = Amber lathing whit an evil stair.
(singsong voice) Ohhhhhhhhh myyyyyyyyyyyyy goddddd. Ohhh my god, OHHH my goddddd!
Well, this explains why Abel (a) doesn't much like Dee, (b) was interested in Dan being Edward's son, and (c) ... there's something else it explains, just gimme a minute.
I'm pretty sure if Edward was cubi, then Alexi would have gotten her wings already.
Just saying.
Quote from: tikitori on April 24, 2009, 10:45:26 AM
I'm pretty sure if Edward was cubi, then Alexi would have gotten her wings already.
You might want to read strip 13:
http://missmab.com/Comics/Ab_013.php
...specifically, "I felt it better to wait until I knew for sure he was a 'Cubi..."
...the 'Cubi factor is usually dominant in a Being-'Cubi pairing, but not always.
Quote from: AndersW on April 24, 2009, 09:56:24 AM
Edit: If both parents are cubi then the child will be a cubi.
That's an assumption. I don't think Amber has ruled out throwbacks to Being status, has she?
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 24, 2009, 11:02:32 AM
Quote from: AndersW on April 24, 2009, 09:56:24 AM
Edit: If both parents are cubi then the child will be a cubi.
That's an assumption. I don't think Amber has ruled out throwbacks to Being status, has she?
he might even be a clone. >:3
I taught that the clone theories died out long ago but it seams as long as there will be forums there will be clone theories.
Also If Edward = Aniz theory is true it is possible that Dee and Aniz planed this from the beginning. The two clans disagreed, so Dee and Aniz decided to put on the Aniz has gone crazy and Dee wants to kill him stunt. After which Aniz would open a inn and have a child whit a normal being under the falls identity of Edward to detract any beliefs of him being Aniz after which he *disposed* of his wife and married Dee. Happy ending.
If the theory is true. It was all planed from the beginning.
Quote from: Garsemor on April 24, 2009, 11:19:18 AM
I taught that the clone theories died out long ago but it seams as long as there will be forums there will be clone theories.
Oh? Who did you teach?
Incidentally, there's an edit button for a reason. Please don't double-post, it's considered a faux pas on this forum, and the moderators (as listed on the rules page, which you've read, haven't you?) will look poorly upon such behaviour, and do things to correct it.
You don't want them to correct your behaviour. They're not pleasant about it.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 24, 2009, 11:02:32 AM
Quote from: AndersW on April 24, 2009, 09:56:24 AM
Edit: If both parents are cubi then the child will be a cubi.
That's an assumption. I don't think Amber has ruled out throwbacks to Being status, has she?
I kind of doubt this will be the case... the way it seems to work with Cubi, I get the impression that they inherit their 'Cubi-ness' from one of their parents. We have the known case of the Cubi+Non-Cubi parents from the hybrid genetics page, where we have the indication that there is a chance for non Cubi children, and the chance of it depends on the power ratio of the parents. I kind of have the feeling that the totals from both parents has to total up to 100% and that the child will inheret Cubi-ness from one of the parents. It might work in such a way that both parents can carry a recessive gene with the dominant one, (Cc*Cc=CC/Cc/Cc/cc), though since the inherited gene seems to be based on the power and not the genetics of the parents, I doubt this is the case. I doubt that two Cubi can have non-Cubi children, or if they can, it's an extremely unlikely possibility.
Something interesting occurred to me. We've had mention of the odd coloration of Abel's wings and eyes, and everyone at SAIA (well, everyone with knowledge) seems to think it's somehow significant.
Now, Siar has blue eyes, but all of the other Siar members that we have seen seem to have red ones. His coloration seems to come from his mother, and possibly his blue eye.
But it's that green eye that's starting to niggle at me. Destania has green eyes, but that seems kind of impossible for any genetic relation between the two. (Unless you want to *really* reach and say that May was Destania in some sort of disguise that also happened to affect the genetics of Abel) I believe Cyra has blue eyes as well, for what it's worth.
Do we know anything about Aniz's parents? I have the feeling that the source of the green eye is important.
Quote from: Mao Laoren on April 24, 2009, 07:49:09 AM
A student hitting on a teacher. Were this the real world the media would be up in arms... and everyone who'd ever listened to the song 'Hot for Teacher' and liked it would be giving Aniz high fives for a rather slick move.
But this would be more like college student hitting on teacher, not high school or younger student hitting on her, despite the vast age difference. Do we really see big news items on college age student/teacher relationships? I can't recall any.
Quote from: AmigaDragon on April 24, 2009, 12:00:35 PM
But this would be more like college student hitting on teacher, not high school or younger student hitting on her, despite the vast age difference. Do we really see big news items on college age student/teacher relationships? I can't recall any.
It's still illegal. Something about bias. Same reason sex with your secretary is frowned upon - you sign her performance reviews, and they should be about her performance outside of the bedroom...
From what is said about some of the clans. I wonder if relations with other clans are a social taboo?
Were getting allot of info in small bites about the more dangers clans. But we know almost next to nothing about the more positive clans. So do you think we'll learn about more of the clans as the story progresses?
Quote from: joshofspam on April 24, 2009, 12:13:12 PM
From what is said about some of the clans. I wonder if relations with other clans are a social taboo?
Absolutely. It's already known that various clans are allies and enemies... apparently SAIA is one of the only neutral meeting grounds for their race and it took even Fa'Lina a lot of effort to get that far.
Quote from: Paladin Sheppard on April 24, 2009, 04:19:39 AM
:twist
Rawr...
This needs a badly written fanfic now, any takers?
I would, but I'm too egotistical to take on a job where doing something badly is a prerequisite.
In retrospect, I don't know why I didn't expect this. This is pre-reform Destania we're talking about, what motive would she have to hate someone so much? Hell hath no fury indeed.
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 24, 2009, 08:25:21 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on April 24, 2009, 08:24:58 AM
by the sounds of it, Aniz is something of a proverbial Don Juan. that is to say, she prolly caught him with another.
That would do it.
Possibly leading to another old 'Cubi proverb: "do not play footsie with the heart of an ancient and powerful (and eeeeevil) succubus, or else she will play baseball with yours".
I'm trying to decide on Destania's expression in that last panel. Is she smiling shyly and demurely at Aniz, or thinking "oh how cute", or making a valiant effort not to laugh in his face?
I would think from http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_527.php , Ink wouldn't have use his name in a positive way, especially a 'fake' one. That, and how would Able know about his new identity, I would think they never wanted to speak.
But that's my own speculation. I'm thinking it's more of what adventuring Edward did against Aniz.
Plus, why else would Destiana fall in love with him so quick? She doesn't seem like the forgiving type.
Quote from: tikitori on April 24, 2009, 12:25:45 PM
I would think from http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_527.php , Ink wouldn't have use his name in a positive way, especially a 'fake' one. That, and how would Able know about his new identity, I would think they never wanted to speak.
Ink was definitely winding him up. We don't really know the how of it. If Abel does know what happened to Aniz afterwards, it's probably not by talking to him directly, unless he does take up Destania's offer to jointly hunt him down (and Abel doesn't seem too happy with that idea, at least at the moment).
QuoteBut that's my own speculation. I'm thinking it's more of what adventuring Edward did against Aniz.
Plus, why else would Destiana fall in love with him so quick? She doesn't seem like the forgiving type.
Or the sort to marry a Being, to be honest. Also, if someone else kills Aniz, they would in a way, be denying Destania her revenge.
Okay, new theory Dan is Aniz, as well as several other characters that resemble him, time travel, amnesia and genetic manipulation are factors.
Hey, I think It's about time for me to add a crazy theory.
Quote from: MT Hazard on April 24, 2009, 01:16:18 PM
Okay, new theory Dan is Aniz, as well as several other characters that resemble him, time travel, amnesia and genetic manipulation are factors.
Hey, I think It's about time for me t add a crazy theory.
Let me dig up my "Abel is Dan's father" one.
OK, I believe we are entering a stage were everyone starts making crazy theories and some one has to step in and stop it. It won't be me I like crazy theories and I would add one but I already made one up a wile sooner in this forum discussion.
Edit: when I said I made a crazy theory I was referring to the theory of Dee and Aniz actually just faking the Aniz went crazy and Dee wants to kill him setup so that they could be together.
Quote from: Garsemor on April 24, 2009, 01:27:35 PM
OK, I believe we are entering a stage were everyone starts making crazy theories and some one has to step in and stop it. It won't be me I like crazy theories and I would add one but I already made one up a wile sooner in this forum discussion.
Edit: when I said I made a crazy theory I was referring to the theory of Dee and Aniz actually just faking the Aniz went crazy and Dee wants to kill him setup so that they could be together.
I theorize that the entire world is an elaborate fantasy spawned from the union of an online game and an artist's imagination. That's why it doesn't have a signifigant role in the cosmic scheme of things: It's the offspring of another plane of existence.
So, I'm sort of a n00b here, but I Just thought of something that could be revolutionary- What If Aniz were Dan's father, Edward?
Just kidding with you.
Quote from: N-Cat on April 24, 2009, 02:45:42 PM
So, I'm sort of a n00b here, but I Just thought of something that could be revolutionary- What If Aniz were Dan's father, Edward?
Just kidding with you.
This theory already has been made on many occasions it is referred to as the Edward = Aniz theory, it has been killed and revived many times. Almost once weekly, and every time the possibility arises.
3 things:
1. I'm going to be the one to stop the ridiculous theories only because I can't think of one.
2. Everyone is thinking that D was a teacher at the time Aniz hit on her. Has no one but me considered the possibility that they were both still students at the time?
3. I can't remember the third thing.
Quote from: JackTheCubiFerret on April 24, 2009, 03:14:27 PM
3 things:
1. I'm going to be the one to stop the ridiculous theories only because I can't think of one.
2. Everyone is thinking that D was a teacher at the time Aniz hit on her. Has no one but me considered the possibility that they were both still students at the time?
3. I can't remember the third thing.
OK, 2 things.
1. You really should read http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_049.php again, because Dee did say she was his teacher.
2. Oh, why did you have to put a stop to the ridiculous theories? Oh why? Why did you have to stop the fun?
At least for the second point, it's unlikely. According to Amber (I think I can't remember where the source is) Destania is something on the order of 7,000 years old at the time of the main comic. Aniz is 400, if Fa'Lina is to be taken literally when she's berating him, at the time of Abel's story, so is about 800 if he survived all the way to DMFA. With the age differential, it is unlikely that they'd both be students at the same time, unless Destania took some sort of refresher course or started very early in life, also unlikely given that Fa'Lina seems to have known her from her early twenties.
Quote from: JackTheCubiFerret on April 24, 2009, 03:14:27 PM
2. Everyone is thinking that D was a teacher at the time Aniz hit on her. Has no one but me considered the possibility that they were both still students at the time?
She's 7000 years old, probably about 6500, 6200 when Aniz hit on her. If she's still a student after all that time, she was a really poor one, that's all I can say :3
Quote from: Garsemor on April 24, 2009, 02:55:02 PM
This theory already has been made on many occasions it is referred to as the Edward = Aniz theory, it has been killed and revived many times.
Unfortunately, no-one has been able to put it to bed yet.
I'm gonna go out on a limb here. Not sure that anyone's said this yet...
We know from #297 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_297.php) that Dee had left SAIA and been attacked. What if her attacker had been Aniz, or whoever Aniz was pretending to be at the time? Now, I woulda thought that Dee could take Aniz easily, but perhaps he got the drop on her or something. :/ Now, that still wouldn't explain how Abel seems to rather dislike Dee (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_811.php), but also seem to care about Edward Ti'Fiona (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_527.php), but I could maybe see something like, he dislikes Dee, but respects the guy who saved the 'cubi who offed his father, whom he hates more.
Somehow I doubt it happened like that. But I just happened to think of it.
I'll be blunt: I'm not surprised. The way Aniz was "Is Destania still here?" and left because the answer was yes, kind of did suggest some bad blood that may very well due to a relationship (attempt).
Quote from: Michael Chandra on April 24, 2009, 03:44:04 PM
I'll be blunt: I'm not surprised. The way Aniz was "Is Destania still here?" and left because the answer was yes, kind of did suggest some bad blood that may very well due to a relationship (attempt).
Not to mention her wanting to kill him so badly for his betrayal... hell hath no fury they say.
Quote from: modelincard on April 24, 2009, 03:37:00 PM
I'm gonna go out on a limb here. Not sure that anyone's said this yet...
We know from #297 that Dee had left SAIA and been attacked. What if her attacker had been Aniz, or whoever Aniz was pretending to be at the time?
Amber suggested that she was faking it. That may have been a misdirection, of course, but on the other hand, if she left SAIA to take down Aniz because she finally found out where he was (e.g. calling himself Edward Ti'Fiona), it's a very viable strategy.
If as may be the case, Aniz
has earned the ire of Cyra Clan, it would also explain the 'Laws' business, since Cyra Herself may have decreed that he must die. And that in turn would explain why she didn't want to return to her old life, if he somehow persuaded her to welch on that obligation by reigniting their old affair.
(Sits back and waits for Amber to prune away the branches of that reasoning tree)
I like where this is going. c:
I'd kill for a guy who could weave flowers out of magic.
uh, but anyway
Admittedly, the disintegration of Aniz's clan would definitely trigger some sort of meltdown, like some people have suggested. If he totally cracked like Fa'Lina said he did, that is, because he would have essentially lost his family.
I still wanna know about the significance of Abel's mismatched eyes and wings, though. If he's not meant to mirror the appearance of Siar, I'm as confused as heck.
So if Dee likes helpless victims for boyfriends, what does that say about Biggs?
Actually, it'd be pretty dangerous if Biggs and Dee really are dating. Their kids would be *so* doomed. Everyone knows what happens to ferrets with wings.
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 24, 2009, 03:47:59 PM
(Sits back and waits for Amber to prune away the branches of that reasoning tree)
Amber is more likely to add a few more branches and use the tree as a sniper's nest.
As for the Aniz=Edward theory being resurrected and killed on a weekly basis, I don't think that it has ever been completely killed. It has angered and outraged some of the forumites to the point where they were ready to kill, but the theory itself is more resilient than cockroaches.
However, I'm feeling in a somewhat evil mood today and will toss out a new theory for your target practice. Aniz had multiple personalities, one evil and spiteful while the other was kind and caring. Under the pressure, his body split into two. Edward was the White Aniz. But somewhere out there is the Black Aniz, a creature so evil and vile that his mere presence causes a dark miasma to spread over the land like a noxious cloud. Black Aniz is working with the dragons and will pretend to be Edward (White Aniz) in an attempt to further the dragons' nefarious and despicable plans. After a climactic battle, White Aniz will defeat Black Aniz, Lost Lake will become a true paradise, and everybody will go out for tacos.
Hm...
"I'm sorry my clan took that as a sign of weakness."
"You've seen him, right? The wings. The eyes. He looks just like them!"
"Is it so terrible to want to destroy him? To make him suffer for the suffering he caused you?"
Perhaps Siar picked a fight with Cyra at the academy, assuming Fa'Lina wouldn't interfere, and Aniz at some point sided with his clan instead of Destania. His clan got beat heavily, Siar was killed, he's left with guilt and tries to revive them to undo the damage he's done, and Destania wants revenge for his betrayal?
I don't think Aniz was excited about Abel's appearance because he looks just like a member of Siar. So far as we've seen, odd-eyes and partially feathered wings are not standard Siar-cubi traits. Clan members don't seem to have physical characteristics in common, generally. I think Abel's looks distinguish some other trait that's highly esteemed - at least in Aniz and Ink's eyes.
Quote from: Pagan on April 24, 2009, 07:50:30 AM
Personally, I find it surprising that Destania isn't exactly turning him down. I would have expected her to act like an ice queen.
That's sort of what I had thought as well. Now it makes me wonder, what if Dan is not Destania's first born? Could Dan have older half-brothers he doesn't know about? Seeing that she was receptive to Aniz's attempt at courtship, it stands to reason that she might have been receptive to other suitors in the past, certainly Aniz couldn't have been the first date of a Cubi 6200ish years old.
So, I definitely saw this coming, and it still surprised me.
Quote from: Naldru on April 24, 2009, 05:13:32 PM
Amber is more likely to add a few more branches and use the tree as a sniper's nest.
WRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY!
Quote from: Naldru on April 24, 2009, 05:13:32 PM
However, I'm feeling in a somewhat evil mood today and will toss out a new theory for your target practice. Aniz had multiple personalities, one evil and spiteful while the other was kind and caring. Under the pressure, his body split into two. Edward was the White Aniz. But somewhere out there is the Black Aniz, a creature so evil and vile that his mere presence causes a dark miasma to spread over the land like a noxious cloud. Black Aniz is working with the dragons and will pretend to be Edward (White Aniz) in an attempt to further the dragons' nefarious and despicable plans. After a climactic battle, White Aniz will defeat Black Aniz, Lost Lake will become a true paradise, and everybody will go out for tacos.
Black Aniz == Dead Pegasus, yes?
... I spose I should start calling him Dark Pegasus, now that he's not really dead anymore...
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 24, 2009, 07:25:16 PM
Black Aniz == Dead Pegasus, yes?
... I spose I should start calling him Dark Pegasus, now that he's not really dead anymore...
Are you suggesting that Black Aniz stole the soul of Aliph Soulstealer, destroyed the body, and then assumed Aliph's identity and started calling himself Dark Pegasus. Using the Soulstealer fortune, he concocted various plans to bring dark and malevolent gods to the world of Furrae. I don't know. That seems like a bit of a stretch.
Not at all. It depends entirely on when you see the split happening; it has to happen early enough for Ed to sire Alexsi, if nothing else. And that's more than early enough for Dark Peg to get his start in the world.
Of course, this fails if you look at the cast pages; DP is 760, which is old enough that Aniz sired Abel after that point. So that's a bust.
Mostly, however, I was merely arguing ab absurdam...
Quote from: terrycloth on April 24, 2009, 03:49:32 PM
So if Dee likes helpless victims for boyfriends, what does that say about Biggs?
Actually, it'd be pretty dangerous if Biggs and Dee really are dating. Their kids would be *so* doomed. Everyone knows what happens to ferrets with wings.
I thought it was weasels?
My first thoughts on the comic:
"Well, I suppose Aniz didn't have to be Edward."
and now that absolutely no one is paying attention to the thread I re issue my demon eyes Kyo theory...amended
ANIZ has disassociative/ multiple personality disorder... aniz just happens to hide it very well, simply transform into someone else and poof "where did Aniz go?" :rolleyes
Quote from: Shadowcatcher on April 24, 2009, 07:00:51 PM
Quote from: Pagan on April 24, 2009, 07:50:30 AM
Personally, I find it surprising that Destania isn't exactly turning him down. I would have expected her to act like an ice queen.
That's sort of what I had thought as well. Now it makes me wonder, what if Dan is not Destania's first born? Could Dan have older half-brothers he doesn't know about? Seeing that she was receptive to Aniz's attempt at courtship, it stands to reason that she might have been receptive to other suitors in the past, certainly Aniz couldn't have been the first date of a Cubi 6200ish years old.
Given Destania's age, it does seem unlikely that Daniel is her firstborn. Although there is some implication that she has spent most of her life at SAIA. Like Aaryanna after her, Destania may have spent centuries as a student, then taken the professorship of pain and terror.
Of course, whether or not any of Dan's half-sibs on his mother's side are still alive or not, is another question.
And then there is Able's remark in 602 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_602.php),:
Do you honestly know how many adventures turned Cubi have come to SAIA thinking they could just grab a sword and "Show 'em how's boss?"
Definitely sounds like Dan is not the first offspring of a Cubi-Being pair to take up adventuring, and then discover their 'Cubi heritage popping up on them. I wonder how many there have been, and how many are still around? Sounds like people Dan should seek out sometime.
Quote from: JackTheCubiFerret on April 24, 2009, 09:35:12 PM
Quote from: terrycloth on April 24, 2009, 03:49:32 PM
So if Dee likes helpless victims for boyfriends, what does that say about Biggs?
Actually, it'd be pretty dangerous if Biggs and Dee really are dating. Their kids would be *so* doomed. Everyone knows what happens to ferrets with wings.
I thought it was weasels?
Weasels, ferrets, ermines, all the same family, and in common usage the differences are not scrupulously observed.
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on April 25, 2009, 12:08:26 AM
and now that absolutely no one is paying attention to the thread I re issue my demon eyes Kyo theory...amended
ANIZ has disassociative/ multiple personality disorder... aniz just happens to hide it very well, simply transform into someone else and poof "where did Aniz go?" :rolleyes
If we are reissuing theories than I want to reissue my Dee and Aniz planed the whole thing theory on the second page.
The theory sounded like this:
If Edward = Aniz theory is true it is possible that Dee and Aniz planed this from the beginning. The two clans disagreed, so Dee and Aniz decided to put on the Aniz has gone crazy and Dee wants to kill him stunt. After which Aniz would open a inn and have a child whit a normal being under the falls identity of Edward to detract any beliefs of him being Aniz after which he *disposed* of his wife and married Dee. Happy ending.
If the theory is true. It was all planed from the beginning.
Doum idea here.
But maybe Destania and Aniz might have had a kid and Aniz left them. That could mean Dan has a half brother or sister out there crossed at there bastard father for leaving them? If that's the case then it would make Dan and Able half cuisines.
Quote from: inuhanyo on April 25, 2009, 12:23:15 AM
Given Destania's age, it does seem unlikely that Daniel is her firstborn. Although there is some implication that she has spent most of her life at SAIA. Like Aaryanna after her, Destania may have spent centuries as a student, then taken the professorship of pain and terror.
That's the thing. SAIA isn't a creche, and it's not permitted for students to have children. I'd be very, very surprised if that didn't apply to the professors as well.
Now, she might have had a child or two
before she entered the Academy thousands and thousands of years ago, or she may have taken some kind of sabbatical for a century or something to have a child during her professorship, but if neither of those happened, Dan would be her firstborn.
Alternatively it could have been so many millennia since she last had a child that she's reacting in a similar way.
QuoteDefinitely sounds like Dan is not the first offspring of a Cubi-Being pair to take up adventuring, and then discover their 'Cubi heritage popping up on them. I wonder how many there have been, and how many are still around? Sounds like people Dan should seek out sometime.
What I'd like to know is whether they're still adventurers when they leave the Academy, or whether they've 'switched sides' as it were.
Sort of like the Sith and the Jedi in Star Wars.
DarFa'lina: Come join the cubi side of the force.
Lan: I will never betray the Adventurers.
DarFa'lina: Reseal your anger. I an completely unarmed.
Lan: No I will not smite you down.
DarFa'lina: Shape your wings and kill me, let the anger in you free.
Lan: Never.
ETC...
This text was extracted from Star Wars episode 6 (the 3 one made)
The role of Lan was played by Dan and daubed by Luck Skywalker.
The role of DarFa'lina was played by Fa'lina and daubed by Darf Vader.
Given the track record of sun jumper the comic has catch us napping with the odds are good that Dan has at lest one unknown sibling and he will at some time met them and it will most likely come to blows.
Quote from: GundamDragon on April 25, 2009, 07:44:40 AM
Given the track record of sun jumper the comic has catch us napping with the odds are good that Dan has at lest one unknown sibling and he will at some time met them and it will most likely come to blows.
I don't suppose you could try that again, in English this time?
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 25, 2009, 08:06:02 AM
Quote from: GundamDragon on April 25, 2009, 07:44:40 AM
Given the track record of sun jumper the comic has catch us napping with the odds are good that Dan has at lest one unknown sibling and he will at some time met them and it will most likely come to blows.
I don't suppose you could try that again, in English this time?
Sarry it is english but my terums are only used in a small amunt of ppl. I tend to forgit that but it is just say that there's a good chance for Dan to have at lest one sibling and if they meet he will most likely fight with them.
I just want to say thanks to who ever moved my accidental double post.
And I thought I put a stop to the crazy theories. I guess I don't have that power because I'm not a Mod. O well *wanders off to do something else*.
Quote from: GundamDragon on April 25, 2009, 09:19:39 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 25, 2009, 08:06:02 AM
I don't suppose you could try that again, in English this time?
Sarry it is english but my terums are only used in a small amunt of ppl. I tend to forgit that but it is just say that there's a good chance for Dan to have at lest one sibling and if they meet he will most likely fight with them.
Nope. English has spelling, and grammar, and punctuation, and coherency. That's gibberish.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 25, 2009, 10:10:32 AM
Quote from: GundamDragon on April 25, 2009, 09:19:39 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 25, 2009, 08:06:02 AM
I don't suppose you could try that again, in English this time?
Sarry it is english but my terums are only used in a small amunt of ppl. I tend to forgit that but it is just say that there's a good chance for Dan to have at lest one sibling and if they meet he will most likely fight with them.
Nope. English has spelling, and grammar, and punctuation, and coherency. That's gibberish.
I did run the spell check. -_- It was english the gramer might have sucked but it was spelled right.
Just because it's an english word doesn't mean you're using the spelling of the one you meant.
"Sorry it is english but my terms are only sued by a small amount of people. I tend to forget that but it just said that there's a good chance for Dan to have at least one sibling and if they meet he will most likely fight with them."
Lest, for example, is a real word.
Spell checkers can only check that it is a correctly spelled word, not that its the right word. Sea versus see, for example.
It's a tribute to the redundancy of language that I was actually able to get the gist of what GundamDragon typed, even though I still have no idea what "sun jumper the comic" refers to.
Until Dan's mom releases him from the promise he made to her, Dan won't be fighting any Cubi.
The closest he ever got to hitting a cubi is on page 734.
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So he flirted with her. Big deal.
My guess is that he lost interest and then she went all "Hell has no fury like a woman scorned..." on his whole clan - or something.
That, or
she manipulated
him to reap some emo-food.
Or... His clan didn't approve and tried to distroy her.
Or dragons were involved...
Or...
:rolleyes :mwaha :P ;) :mowtongue
Quote from: Tiger_T on April 25, 2009, 01:55:58 PM
My guess is that he lost interest and then she went all "Hell has no fury like a woman scorned..." on his whole clan - or something.
Or... His clan didn't approve and tried to distroy her.
From the last line it's abundantly clear that his clan did
not expect him to go for Destania. While it doesn't outright say that they disapproved, it's very strongly implied.
Assuming that to be the case, it may be a combination of the two, e.g. they forced him to drop her, she went ape and the whole thing went very badly for the two clans.
With a little luck we may get the rest of that story (or at least another part) with next weeks Abel-comic. :mowwink
Quote from: GundamDragon on April 25, 2009, 10:21:37 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 25, 2009, 10:10:32 AM
Nope. English has spelling, and grammar, and punctuation, and coherency. That's gibberish.
I did run the spell check. -_- It was english the gramer might have sucked but it was spelled right.
Let me get this right. You're now arguing with a mod over the behaviour you were gently suggested you should correct?
Just checking, here.
And did you notice that he spelled grammar gramer, even though the word was used in the post he was replying to.
Is this the same guy who claimed he was a mercenary and that he had a bunch of weapons that he had scavenged?
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Yes. It's here. (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,5321.msg245818.html#msg245818) The thread is closed so I can't cite the excact post, but that's the page.
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on April 25, 2009, 03:53:27 PM
Yes. It's here. (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,5321.msg245818.html#msg245818) The thread is closed so I can't cite the excact post, but that's the page.
Sure you can. You just need to locate it, and copy the link from the top of that post.
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on April 25, 2009, 03:53:27 PM
Yes. It's here. (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,5321.msg245818.html#msg245818) The thread is closed so I can't cite the excact post, but that's the page.
Yes I'm the merc. My grammar my suck and my spelling is just as bad if not worse. But I'm one of the guys you want watching your back in a fierfight.
If you read the U.S. military handbooks, you will note that they state that clear, concise, accurate, and coherent verbal and written communications is extremely important. After all, if you request an artillery strike, it is very important that the iron lands on the enemy and not on your own head.
I expect that that is true of the military manuals of most governments.
Quote from: Naldru on April 25, 2009, 06:59:30 PM
If you read the U.S. military handbooks, you will note that they state that clear, concise, accurate, and coherent verbal and written communications is extremely important. After all, if you request an artillery strike, it is very important that the iron lands on the enemy and not on your own head.
I expect that that is true of the military manuals of most governments.
Those read like this "Targit grind Z 52 FIRE" but as a merc you almost never git fire support what you go in with is what you got. Point of useing mercs is so the goverments can look like there not invalved. Thats why we are covered by the ganeva covations of war. Hance we can be exsacuted even if we sarender that why a lot of merc have a Beond the grave pay back weapons on them. Like a dead man switch on ther gun handel to a pipe bomb ful of mustered gas in ther back pack.
Quote from: GundamDragon on April 25, 2009, 06:21:08 PM
Yes I'm the merc. My grammar my suck and my spelling is just as bad if not worse. But I'm one of the guys you want watching your back in a fierfight.
You know, surprisingly enough, I can't remember the last time we had a firefight on the forum.
Do you think maybe I wasn't invited?
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 25, 2009, 07:31:13 PM
Quote from: GundamDragon on April 25, 2009, 06:21:08 PM
Yes I'm the merc. My grammar my suck and my spelling is just as bad if not worse. But I'm one of the guys you want watching your back in a fierfight.
You know, surprisingly enough, I can't remember the last time we had a firefight on the forum.
Do you think maybe I wasn't invited?
I'll admit I walked in to that one. But it vary EZ to become a merc buy a gun, a good AK's go about $800, if you want to feel safer you can git a kevlarvest, they run about $1000. Thats all the gear you need for set up then you just go to a war zone and offer you skill for a prise $2000 -$1000 a day is standered and moust commanders wount turn down troops who want to fight.
Quote from: GundamDragon on April 25, 2009, 07:30:22 PM
Quote from: Naldru on April 25, 2009, 06:59:30 PM
If you read the U.S. military handbooks, you will note that they state that clear, concise, accurate, and coherent verbal and written communications is extremely important. After all, if you request an artillery strike, it is very important that the iron lands on the enemy and not on your own head.
I expect that that is true of the military manuals of most governments.
Those read like this "Targit grind Z 52 FIRE" but as a merc you almost never git fire support what you go in with is what you got. Point of useing mercs is so the goverments can look like there not invalved. Thats why we are covered by the ganeva covations of war. Hance we can be exsacuted even if we sarender that why a lot of merc have a Beond the grave pay back weapons on them. Like a dead man switch on ther gun handel to a pipe bomb ful of mustered gas in ther back pack.
:inglesh
And this:
:smrt
Take an Intro to English class at your local community college. You need it.
Hay I have to remmeber to say hellow and dont shot im on your side in more then 10 langurges so having a hard time spelling is not a crime. Plus I dont have time to wast on a flight back to the US
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 25, 2009, 04:10:52 PM
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on April 25, 2009, 03:53:27 PM
Yes. It's here. (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,5321.msg245818.html#msg245818) The thread is closed so I can't cite the excact post, but that's the page.
Sure you can. You just need to locate it, and copy the link from the top of that post.
Doh!
Man, nobody has any business acting surprized. There was every sign that Aniz and Destania had something going on; There are multiple signs pointing him out as the father of her son, so unless we've been misled, they most likely had a booty call at the very least. :B
I can explain my reasoning through the wonderful power of mathematics! (Ladies, you are free to leave)
Abel is currenetly 399, and started attending Saia at age 24. Dan started attending at his current age of 25.
That puts their attendance exactly 375 years apart. :U
(If that doesn't mean anything to you, try re-reading this page.) (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_018.jpg)
That is to say nothing about the physical resemblance, which clicks with the typical Cubi trait that causes most Cubi to take after the appearance of the weaker parent (Which is probably not Destania, considering everything we've heard about her). Or how we've never actually seen anything of Edward, beyond a couple basic images of him that don't expose the spot his symbol would appear on. To be honest, I had no real stock in this theory until the 375 year ban came into it.
Personally, I'm more surprized at how similar Aniz's outward personality is to Dan's, before the cubi heritage made everything complicated. Seems later events hit him pretty hard (thanks in no small part to Destania, I'm sure.)
Quote from: Goatmon on April 27, 2009, 05:41:07 AM
Man, nobody has any business acting surprized. There was every sign that Aniz and Destania had something going on; There are multiple signs pointing him out as the father of her son, so unless we've been misled, they most likely had a booty call at the very least. :B
This may be up your street, then: http://dmfa.wikia.com/wiki/Edward-Aniz_Theory
Thanks, I guess?
A couple actual facts about the comic are there, but a lot of the theorycrafting seems to be based on dialogue and lines that may or may not have meant anything at the time, which falls in line with a story-driven comic that has been in production for so long; I can't really make any certain assumptions about Amber, but it's not likely that she had all of this planned out ahead of time. The main story, maybe, but the specific details were probably worked out over time. The only dialogue that matters most are in the more recent comics.
There are plenty of suggestive and discouraging elements that lean either way, regarding the theory, but until the ban came along there was no solid connection of any kind.
So it's still just a probable theory, just more probable than it was before the second half of Abel's Story came along.
Quote from: Goatmon on April 27, 2009, 06:04:35 AM
A couple actual facts about the comic are there, but a lot of the theorycrafting seems to be based on dialogue and lines that may or may not have meant anything at the time, which falls in line with a story-driven comic that has been in production for so long; I can't really make any certain assumptions about Amber, but it's not likely that she had all of this planned out ahead of time. The main story, maybe, but the specific details were probably worked out over time. The only dialogue that matters most are in the more recent comics.
Indeed. I should probably add that as a counterargument :P
At the end of the day we can but wait and see. Like I say, it may be intended as the climax for Abel's Story.
I have a simple rule. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, swims like a duck, flies like a duck, and looks like a duck, it may or may not be a duck. However, the idea of it being a duck is worthy of consideration as a hypothesis.
I sincerely doubt that Amber had planned the "Get Me to the Church" (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Arch_020.php) arc at the time that she drew
strip 78 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_078.php). However, looking at how well they fit together, it seems likely that Amber was thinking of the earlier strip when she created the arc. So I would actually pay more attention to the seemingly random incidents in earlier strips that seem to mesh with later strips, for it may show that she is trying to incorporate the earlier material in her story.
Also, remember that seeing us fight over crazy ideas makes Amber happy. Considering the joy that she has given us, I feel that we owe it to her to amuse her with our antics over her antics.
Quote from: Naldru on April 27, 2009, 01:41:01 PMAlso, remember that seeing us fight over crazy ideas makes Amber happy. Considering the joy that she has given us, I feel that we owe it to her to amuse her with our antics over her antics.
You know what this means, of course. We need to travel and talk about the past so we can have an Antics Antics Antiques Roadshow!
I just went truth some of the Archives and I think I found a link between Dan and Aniz in DMFA http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_936.php . Sorry if I'm reviving old theories again or if this was already said.
Quote from: Garsemor on April 29, 2009, 03:20:28 PM
I just went truth some of the Archives and I think I found a link between Dan and Aniz in DMFA http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_936.php . Sorry if I'm reviving old theories again or if this was already said.
That is Destania in the picture, if that is what you are referring to.
Edit:
My assumption was that she was referring to the dragons. Are you suggesting that she was referring to Amiz's clan?
Actually I think it is Aniz and not Dee who is talking to Fa'lina. I just think that it would be strange for Fi to flash back to a point of discussion between Aniz and Fa'lina walst he is listening to Dan. I think the little warp-aci knows more than he's saying.
It's not Aniz, it's Dee. Despite the muted colors, note that she's blue, not brown. Also, Aniz doesn't have those perky assets as shown in panel 3.
Quote from: AmigaDragon on April 30, 2009, 03:44:58 AM
It's not Aniz, it's Dee. Despite the muted colors, note that she's blue, not brown. Also, Aniz doesn't have those perky assets as shown in panel 3.
Hey, don't introduce facts to a gathering of comic theories!
The theories usually end up in the dark alley next to my place and they're a pain in the rear to clean up!
I guess we should stop this debate, until there is any other solid evidence. The only thing I could base this on was the resemblance between page 17 in AS http://missmab.com/Comics/Ab_017.php and the Fi's flashback.
Quote from: AmigaDragon on April 30, 2009, 03:44:58 AM
It's not Aniz, it's Dee. Despite the muted colors, note that she's blue, not brown. Also, Aniz doesn't have those perky assets as shown in panel 3.
That and
"I guess he did get more than just her wings."
Quote from: Goatmon on April 27, 2009, 05:41:07 AM
I can explain my reasoning through the wonderful power of mathematics! (Ladies, you are free to leave)
I just wanted to raise two points.
There have been comments in the past that bragging about "I knew it before you knew it" really blew it as far as etiquette goes and could cause some resentment.
Suggesting that women lack math skills could be considered fighting words by some. Back in the prehistoric times when I was a graduate assistant, I would say that the lack of mathematical ability was about even between men and women. It should also be remembered that any clues in the plots based on mathematical relationships would have been placed there by Amber, who is in fact female.
******
Edit:
Well, I've also seen mathematical studies proving that bumblebees can't fly. Have you ever heard the story about the blind men and the elephant? Mathematical reasoning is composed of a great many attributes, just like intelligence in general. In some areas, such as the ability to navigate an unfamiliar area, men have come out much better. Women tend to rank higher in other areas. So the big question is how you ranked the mathematical ability of the individuals. I'm sorry, but Sturgeon's law (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturgeon's_law) appears to apply to studies on mathematical abilities and educational techniques quite well,
I have also noted that Piaget levels in mathematics can produce dramatically different mathematical skills as the individuals develop. For example, many people refuse to believe in certain facts, no matter how they are presented. They would rather follow their hunches than try to reason it out. They may look like mathematical idiots, but it isn't their mathematical ability that is the problem, it is whether they believe the results of their calculations in preference to their own emotional beliefs. Just look at how many play the lottery despite the bad odds on the games.
To quote that great philosopher, Will Rogers: "It isn't what we don't know that hurts us. It's what we know, but isn't so."
Addendum of the third part of the above: Statistically speaking, men fill out both sides of the spectrum: both genius and idiots of math. Women tend to be in the middle, normally distributed. We're not entirely sure why. (I'm a Psych major... trust me, these things have been studied)
On an entirely different note, one of my friends firmly believes that Dan's father is not Aniz. Rather, he is a dragon. And when Destania stumbled into the tavern, it was right after she had just finished killing Aniz. I thought the idea was interesting enough to punt into forumland. Batter away!
Quote from: Arcblade on April 30, 2009, 08:20:14 PM
On an entirely different note, one of my friends firmly believes that Dan's father is not Aniz. Rather, he is a dragon. And when Destania stumbled into the tavern, it was right after she had just finished killing Aniz. I thought the idea was interesting enough to punt into forumland. Batter away!
Except that Dragon traits are all dominant (http://missmab.com/Demo/HG08.php), so Dan wouldn't be a Cubi if his father were a Dragon, no matter how powerful Destania is, or how weak his father is.
OUTLANDISH THEORY TIME: Me, I think Edward was a Were, first and foremost because I don't think Destania would have taken a second glance at him if he were a perfectly normal being. We know the Were are more friendly with Cubi than with most races, so it's possible that Cubi and Were have ways of communicating to each other who they are, or of finding each other.
Now here's the stretchy part. We know the Were, Humans and Beings are closely related and showed up at about the same time. Then, for some reason, Humans all died out, and the Were were almost annihilated and went into hiding. The Were are the only ones who know how Humans disappeared. Based on what we know about the Dragons and the Cubi-Dragon war, I think it's highly likely that some Dragon (or group of Dragons) decided that Humans and Were had offended them somehow and set off to destroy both races. Obviously they succeeded with Humans and sent the entire Were race into hiding.
Cue Destania and Edward. If Destania is so set on destroying the Dragons, but can't get Fa'Lina or too many other clans to help her (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_936.php) after the war, she's going to need a different set of allies. So she goes off in search of Were (http://missmab.com/Demo/were.php), who are not only immune to magic in their human form (making them very useful against magically powerful Dragons) but are "highly potent" magically in their very subtle primal form, maybe even enough to compete against a Dragon.
Now if Edward is the traditional Were and doesn't want anything to do with Dragons, Destania needs a way to get him to want to fight for her. Destania fakes her injuries like Amber's said, and gets him to fall for her, bearing a child who is most likely both Were (http://missmab.com/Demo/HG03.php) and Cubi (http://missmab.com/Demo/HG02.php) (Dan). At some point Edward engages in battle with a Dragon, and, uh, loses spectacularly. So Destania's stuck raising Dan by herself (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_388.php) (though apparently she grows to not mind it so much), and Edward is captured by Dragons (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_725.php). Destania's fallen in love with Edward, so she teams up with Biggs (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_726.php) to end the Dragon race once and for all.
Ta da! I'm sure there's a better way to explain this in much fewer than four paragraphs, but I am tired. My brain is not efficient today.
Quote from: Garsemor on April 24, 2009, 10:24:13 AM
I'm sure Amber is looking down on us and laughing at us at this very moment as we write*.
Not sure bout ya'll, but I know I am xD
Quote from: Indy on April 30, 2009, 09:25:39 PM
Quote from: Arcblade on April 30, 2009, 08:20:14 PM
On an entirely different note, one of my friends firmly believes that Dan's father is not Aniz. Rather, he is a dragon. And when Destania stumbled into the tavern, it was right after she had just finished killing Aniz. I thought the idea was interesting enough to punt into forumland. Batter away!
Except that Dragon traits are all dominant (http://missmab.com/Demo/HG08.php), so Dan wouldn't be a Cubi if his father were a Dragon, no matter how powerful Destania is, or how weak his father is.
But it clearly says that sometimes the dragon genes will ignore other genes, and most half-breeds result in more dragons. Not all. A strong Cubi may compensate.
If we are starting to involve dragons now I would like to add a somewhat distant theory.
If what Pyroduck says, about him being from the future is true, it may be possible that Dan would be a savior of the dragons who would stand up against his own mother for the grater good because the genocide of an entire race is just terrifying.
Quote from: Michael Chandra on April 30, 2009, 10:45:56 PM
Quote from: Indy on April 30, 2009, 09:25:39 PM
Quote from: Arcblade on April 30, 2009, 08:20:14 PM
On an entirely different note, one of my friends firmly believes that Dan's father is not Aniz. Rather, he is a dragon. And when Destania stumbled into the tavern, it was right after she had just finished killing Aniz. I thought the idea was interesting enough to punt into forumland. Batter away!
Except that Dragon traits are all dominant (http://missmab.com/Demo/HG08.php), so Dan wouldn't be a Cubi if his father were a Dragon, no matter how powerful Destania is, or how weak his father is.
But it clearly says that sometimes the dragon genes will ignore other genes, and most half-breeds result in more dragons. Not all. A strong Cubi may compensate.
Also I have noticed a Dragon-Cubi at SAIA page 530 http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_530.php . Correct me if I am wrong.
Actually, I believe that was identified as a mythos.
Quote from: Garsemor on May 01, 2009, 01:17:34 AM
If what Pyroduck says, about him being from the future is true, it may be possible that Dan would be a savior of the dragons who would stand up against his own mother for the grater good because the genocide of an entire race is just terrifying.
Destania's not even a tri-wing. I don't see how she can possibly bring about - in one night - the extinction of a godlike race that is spread across multiple universes and time periods. IMHO, the only thing she stands a slight hope of doing is expelling them from their universe and preventing them from returning.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 01, 2009, 04:15:10 AM
Quote from: Garsemor on May 01, 2009, 01:17:34 AM
If what Pyroduck says, about him being from the future is true, it may be possible that Dan would be a savior of the dragons who would stand up against his own mother for the grater good because the genocide of an entire race is just terrifying.
Destania's not even a tri-wing. I don't see how she can possibly bring about - in one night - the extinction of a godlike race that is spread across multiple universes and time periods. IMHO, the only thing she stands a slight hope of doing is expelling them from their universe and preventing them from returning.
Let's not forget that Dee was cold blooded enough to try and use children in her class and she was cold boded enough to use her own son as a means of stopping DP although she new it was dangerous. She might not be a tri-wing but she has no problem using every one to achieve her goals. And if Amber doesn't say it can't be, it can be.
Quote from: Garsemor on May 01, 2009, 04:30:54 AM
Let's not forget that Dee was cold blooded enough to try and use children in her class and she was cold boded enough to use her own son as a means of stopping DP although she new it was dangerous. She might not be a tri-wing but she has no problem using every one to achieve her goals. And if Amber doesn't say it can't be, it can be.
Oh, I have no doubt that she'd
like to, it's just that IMHO she is nothing like powerful enough to do it by force of violence. Think about it... dragons are immensely powerful and widespread. They're not even native to Furrae AFAIK.
Killing every single dragon in every single era of every single world in every single universe is not something that she could achieve in her current form and power level, and if she didn't do that much, the survivors would be right on her tail.
Now, I suppose there are a few variations:
1. She might be able to make some kind of Dragon Plague. That might work, but plagues tend to evolve and the dragons are liable to find or develop an immunity.
2. If she can seal off Furrae to prevent reinforcements, she might be able to track down and kill all the existing members of that race, but IMHO that would take more than one night (725) and is more likely to get her killed instead.
EDIT:
3. She ascends to tri-wing status. Personally I doubt it. It's too rare an event, has a less than 10% chance of success ("dozens of failures for each successful attempt", failed attempts are fatal) and Cyra might not like the competition. Also, the Dragons are powerful enough to smack down a tri-wing anyway.
Let's just drop the discussion for now, we have no clear evidence of this and so we can't really achieve a point where we will agree. Until Amber provides any more evidence we really can't know.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 01, 2009, 04:15:10 AM
Destania's not even a tri-wing. I don't see how she can possibly bring about - in one night - the extinction of a godlike race that is spread across multiple universes and time periods. IMHO, the only thing she stands a slight hope of doing is expelling them from their universe and preventing them from returning.
Just to drop some oil on troubled waters (and then set it alight) just how much power would Destania gain from eating a dragon's soul? Or lots of them, if she can?
Might not be tri-wing, but that's an awful lot of power floating about...
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 01, 2009, 06:51:31 AM
Just to drop some oil on troubled waters (and then set it alight) just how much power would Destania gain from eating a dragon's soul? Or lots of them, if she can?
Might not be tri-wing, but that's an awful lot of power floating about...
That is an intriguing idea.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 01, 2009, 06:53:03 AM
That is an intriguing idea.
Of course, there's the obverse - anything with that much power is going to eat her for breakfast if she attempts it.
Quite possibly literally.