Wow, go Kria. Totally. Also, absolutely hilarious.
But wow, Aliph hit it on the head: Kria really was the one going after Dan. Also, Aliph officially knows that Dan is clan Cyra. And apparently Cyra has some form of status attached to it: appropriate, given that their clan leader still lives.
Well now... That's interesting. Where to now, I wonder.
Also, I likey the close ups on Aliph's face.
Looks like Aliph's going to die again, but not because of Dan this time. >:3
I'm wondering if Aliph's fear of Kria is based on Malletspace rules (The offended party always wins) a not wishing to antagonize his little sister perhaps? More and more though, I'm starting to think that Kria might be more powerful than her older brother. Aliph has trouble with one pesky adventurer. Kria wipes out cities.
Jairus. I'm not doubting you about the whole "Cyra is still alive" business, but where exactly is this sourced?
Err... I don't have a definite source at the moment, but I know it is said that in order for a Cubi's tentacles to have heads on the end, the clan leader must still be alive. Dan's tentacles have headwings. Dan is part of clan Cyra. Cyra, the founder, is still alive.
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on March 27, 2009, 12:21:03 AM
Jairus. I'm not doubting you about the whole "Cyra is still alive" business, but where exactly is this sourced?
Um... I don't quite know where it is, but according to Amber, if a Cubi has heads on the ends of their tentacles (like Dan or Fa'Lina do), then their clan founder (in Dan's case, Cyra) is still alive, and giving them a bit of a boost in their power. Tapewolf might know where Amber said this.
EDIT: Ninja'ed!
EDIT 2: Found it (http://dmfa.wikia.com/wiki/Cubi#Wing-Tentacle_Heads)! And the source itself (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=3268.msg141367#msg141367).
DP's face is hysterical in the last panel. Snerk.
Now, is Kria grumpy about what Aliph said about her, or is she grumpy because Aliph just insulted Lorenda?
Either/or? Both?
Thanks, Pagan and Jairus.
Apparently, whatever getting killed and resurrected did to Aliph, it didn't make him totally stupid. That last panel is made of win. :) I'd rather fight two Aliphs than one Kria.
But now I'm wondering what status in demon society consists of. What do they consider truly status worthy? How is it attained and maintained?
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on March 27, 2009, 12:21:03 AM
I'm wondering if Aliph's fear of Kria is based on Malletspace rules (The offended party always wins) a not wishing to antagonize his little sister perhaps? More and more though, I'm starting to think that Kria might be more powerful than her older brother. Aliph has trouble with one pesky adventurer. Kria wipes out cities.
Jairus. I'm not doubting you about the whole "Cyra is still alive" business, but where exactly is this sourced?
I'm not so sure about Kria being more powerful than Aliph. While yes, Kria wipes out cities, but Aliph did create an entire race. He made a few mistakes with that, but you would probably need to be plenty powerful to do something of that magnitude. Bringing the dead to life would likely require an almost godly power, unless theres something I'm missing.
damn, now i'll haveta draw Kria doing the "Demon Equine Look O' Doom", now.
ahhh one often does not seek to aggravate the sibling who just ressurected you
though this strip is real interesting on a point i'm shocked nobody's brought up yet-
we're seeing dan from DP's perspective.
which is almost identical to DP from dan's perspective!
yeash demons are becomming just as prejudice as beings
Quote from: Hellcat on March 27, 2009, 02:05:41 AM
yeash demons are becomming just as prejudice as beings
So everyone's a little bit racist, okay!
Ethnic jokes might be uncouth, but you laugh because they're based on truth...
:B
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! :giggle
Well, I never expected to see the Dark Pegasus with that expression on his face--and apparently it's his sister who prompted that. I don't know if it's only because she's been reviving him and thus he's under her power, or if that would have been the case anyway, or what it is, but MAN!!
Way to take charge, Kria!
Kria: I remade you once, I can unmake you!
Kria is so full of win in this. I love her angry face. Don't want to see it pointed at me though, yergh... :erk
Quote from: icarus on March 27, 2009, 01:58:34 AM
we're seeing dan from DP's perspective.
which is almost identical to DP from dan's perspective!
Yes, that was the thing which really leapt out at me about this page. Particularly since that is exactly what Lorenda herself has done on a number of occasions (encyclopedia salesmen etc).
I guess the question is, is Dan with it enough to pick up what DP just said about him and Lorenda being together?
EDIT:
Quote from: Jairus on March 26, 2009, 11:57:16 PM
Also, Aliph officially knows that Dan is clan Cyra.
My guess is through Destania (evil beach party?).
Never , ever piss off your sister , she knows all your weak points and she know you won't hit her back. :erk
Dan (at 15): "...except for sisters! I can barely handle the one I have!" (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_351.php)
Kria, at first was interested in sparring with Dan, to see if she was any better than her brother. I think it's more that Aliph is inhibited because Kria is his sister.
And I notice that Kria's line is in the same style of speech bubble Dan had, when he was talking to Regina.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 27, 2009, 04:04:52 AM
Quote from: icarus on March 27, 2009, 01:58:34 AM
we're seeing dan from DP's perspective.
which is almost identical to DP from dan's perspective!
Yes, that was the thing which really leapt out at me about this page. Particularly since that is exactly what Lorenda herself has done on a number of occasions (encyclopedia salesmen etc).
I guess the question is, is Dan with it enough to pick up what DP just said about him and Lorenda being together?
EDIT:
Quote from: Jairus on March 26, 2009, 11:57:16 PM
Also, Aliph officially knows that Dan is clan Cyra.
My guess is through Destania (evil beach party?).
my guess that the only one who doesn't know much about Clan Cyra, is Dan.
And DP inserts his foot in his mouth :footinmouth
Quote from: Turnsky on March 27, 2009, 04:18:35 AM
my guess that the only one who doesn't know much about Clan Cyra, is Dan.
That may well be, but it doesn't obviate the Destania link. DP probably hasn't seen the clan mark yet, and it wasn't visible before anyway. Dan himself is apparently being kept secret from the Dragons, so that Cyra has a new member named Daniel Ti'Fiona is probably not that well known.
Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.
And if she happens to be a demon well all the better I'd say.
Ehehehe... I hope Aliph got some new horse-shoes after being resurrected, because he may have to do some running.
I would think Kria's mood swing would be ESPECIALLY dangerous right now because she was feeling EXTREMELY happy before Aliph went and opened his big mouth. Now the only question is... Is Kria the one to hold a grudge, or simply shrug it off... Considering she ate Lorenda's father, the latter is unlikely... but since it is her brother, who knows...
Either way I think it is safe to say that Aliph will probably be making a semi-dramatic exit tomorrow.
Now I'm curious as to why DP considers Lorenda to be so high-caste, when she's only half-Demon. Maybe the Soulstealers are a family of more quality than we assumed.
Well we know they're in control or in some sense with Zinvth from what Kria said previously:
Clickie here. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_951.php)
There, long history of power and prestige, plus a founding family of a well known demon city that presumbly still stands.... Plus it's likely they're one of the families Fa'lina refered to when Aniz was rattled out for screwing over another clan. Course we missed out on the rest she was going to say so who knows what else she was going to.
[/edit] Genius there, I broke the url link :(
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 27, 2009, 05:12:49 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on March 27, 2009, 04:18:35 AM
my guess that the only one who doesn't know much about Clan Cyra, is Dan.
That may well be, but it doesn't obviate the Destania link. DP probably hasn't seen the clan mark yet, and it wasn't visible before anyway. Dan himself is apparently being kept secret from the Dragons, so that Cyra has a new member named Daniel Ti'Fiona is probably not that well known.
well, makes sense, considering that DP may well know that Dee is from Cyra. he probably simply put two and two together.
Quote from: Turnsky on March 27, 2009, 07:31:44 AM
well, makes sense, considering that DP may well know that Dee is from Cyra. he probably simply put two and two together.
That's basically what I was trying to say in the first place. You've done a better job of explaining it, though.
Quote from: Feather Dancer on March 27, 2009, 07:09:00 AM
Well we know they're in control or in some sense with Zinvth from what Kria said previously:
Ah. I had forgotten that, it would certainly explain it.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 27, 2009, 07:35:18 AM
Ah. I had forgotten that, it would certainly explain it.
But I thought you had an insanely good memory for these things Tape :o
Okay, before we read too much into just how much more powerful than Aliph Kria apparently is, remember that Kria wanted to spar with Dan because she wasn't sure herself and wanted a common measure.
Also, whether she's more or less powerful is irrelevent at the moment for three reasons:
1: Aliph is severely injured.
2: Kria is fresh and ready to go.
3: Aliph just pissed off his sister, ergo Kria is really ready to go, despite her brothers injured state...
Thinking, though, brings me to the conclusion that Dan wouldn't be a common measure anymore. His power is fluctuating from adventurer to cubi, so the battle would be different from the norm, and results would be horribly inaccurate.
But yeah, Kria didn't know he was cubi at the time, so that would make sense.
I'd like to point out that this isn't the only time that adventurers have been made out as the badguys. Remember what Ink said to Dan about adventurer-slaying. Of course, being that adventurers probably are the epitome of the Creature's whole shtick about those with more power over those who have less, you wouldn't expect this to be the case... huh...
Aww, Aliph is concerned about his niece. XD I like it when there's a human side shown to the Demon race or Creatures in general.
Quote from: Feather Dancer on March 27, 2009, 08:05:42 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 27, 2009, 07:35:18 AM
Ah. I had forgotten that, it would certainly explain it.
But I thought you had an insanely good memory for these things Tape :o
Yes, it is suspicious that 'Tapewolf' didn't remember that point. But that's because... HE'S NOT TAPEWOLF!!! He's actually a reverse-vampire from the Rand corporation plotting to destroy us all!
DP is pretty stupid here; off he goes on this rant about how low-class Dan is... when his supposedly upper-class ass got kicked TWICE by Dan before he'd even learned of his Cubi powers. Plus, hen he goes and insults Kria, he one who has to keep resurrecting him... not very bright at all. I think Fa'lina needs to show up, eat his soul, and be done with him once and for all. :nod
Dangit... This took so long to write that know the forum is moving on!!! Oh well...
You guys do realize that what Kria said and what Fa'lina said (while both relevant things to the subject on hand) aren't the same thing at all, right? Fa'Lina mentioned Zinvth's rulers, while Kria said that they were some of the founders. These are wildly different things. Let me use USA history. John Hancock and most of the other people who founded the country are held in high prestige, but as of today, I'm thinkin' more people would respect Obama than a descendent of Hancock.
Sorry, I know that this wasn't exactly the same, I'm just saying that Fa'lina might not have been talking about the Soulstealers in Abel's Story Part Two Page Eight. We don't now how old Zinvth was and they may have been the rulers of Zinvth for any number of years in between Abel's and Dan's stories, and if so then the prestige that they carried would have been even greater (unless they were incompetent or evil) and they would have been even more powerful of a family.
As for how Dark Pegasus knew about Dan's clan, what about the strip where Regina first appeared. Dark Pegasus said "Destania? The Succubus Destania had a son?!?" or something to that effect. With the exception of Pyroduck (and that one red dragon that Dan owes money to) I don't think Dragons know Dan, let alone know about Dan, let alone know he's a incubus, let alone know he's from Cyra. I think Dark Pegasus is surprised to hear this because that it is a closely guarded secret. If there was a celebrity(Destania) who managed to keep that they had a son secret for three years, anyone would be amazed, just like DP was. As for how he learned, yes, it could have been an evil beachparty, but that doesn't really seem like a good place to keep a secret.
Quote from: Feather Dancer on March 27, 2009, 08:05:42 AM
But I thought you had an insanely good memory for these things Tape :o
Usually, yes. This one obviously slipped me by.
Quote from: N-Cat on March 27, 2009, 09:04:52 AM
As for how Dark Pegasus knew about Dan's clan, what about the strip where Regina first appeared. Dark Pegasus said "Destania? The Succubus Destania had a son?!?" or something to that effect.
I think we've been through that...
QuoteAs for how he learned, yes, it could have been an evil beachparty, but that doesn't really seem like a good place to keep a secret.
I don't think Destania particularly needs to keep her clan affiliation a secret. Heck, Lost Lake Inn is full of Cyra memorabilia. As for keeping her son a secret from the beach parties, I suspect she stopped attending those after having Dan.
That's assuming she ever attended them much - her deeds and the deeds of her ex-students would likely be among the gossip even if she wasn't there in person.
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on March 27, 2009, 08:36:50 AM
Aww, Aliph is concerned about his niece. XD I like it when there's a human side shown to the Demon race or Creatures in general.
it is nice to see another dimension to a character.
Quote from: Alondro on March 27, 2009, 08:50:02 AM
Yes, it is suspicious that 'Tapewolf' didn't remember that point. But that's because... HE'S NOT TAPEWOLF!!! He's actually a reverse-vampire from the Rand corporation plotting to destroy us all!
Rand Corporation?
Quote from: Turnsky on March 27, 2009, 09:38:12 AM
it is nice to see another dimension to a character.
Assuming of course that he isn't just concerned about his own reputation or something :P
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 27, 2009, 09:40:23 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on March 27, 2009, 09:38:12 AM
it is nice to see another dimension to a character.
Assuming of course that he isn't just concerned about his own reputation or something :P
considering that he's had his black equine butt handed to him by Dan before a couple of times, one would think his reputation would be the least of his worries. :P
Quote from: Turnsky on March 27, 2009, 09:43:28 AM
considering that he's had his black equine butt handed to him by Dan before a couple of times, one would think his reputation would be the least of his worries. :P
Hey, once a narcisist, always a narcisist. :mwaha
Notice we do not see Lorenda's reaction here.....wonder what that looks like? (Same for Regina, seeing as we saw her still "cuddling" her maybe broken jaw.)
Wonder what dan will do now....for that matter, wonder what Amber will do. She can be as random as Deebs.
Quote from: Turnsky on March 27, 2009, 09:43:28 AM
considering that he's had his black equine butt handed to him by Dan before a couple of times, one would think his reputation would be the least of his worries. :P
Well, assuming Kria and Dan don't gang up on him when his back's turned some time down the line and put him back in the ground, think of the comments he's going to get at the next beach party!
8) At the moment, I wonder what is more hazardous to DP ? Dan, or Kria ? What does Regina do in the near future ? Stay , or go ? Does our favourite Warp Aci ever turn up, to see that Abel is needed ? And what happens if Abel turns up at the Soulstealer Estate ? So many things ...
Quote from: kaskar on March 27, 2009, 10:10:33 AM
Does our favourite Warp Aci ever turn up, to see that Abel is needed ?
Or will it try to cover up to avoid Abel's wrath that it was eating sandwiches while Dan was being killed?
QuoteAnd what happens if Abel turns up at the Soulstealer Estate ? So many things ...
Given Fi's general lack of competence and the extent of Dan's injuries, I think it's more likely that Kria is going to turn up at Lost Lake with Dan in a stretcher.
Quote from: Jairus on March 27, 2009, 12:25:10 AM
Um... I don't quite know where it is, but according to Amber, if a Cubi has heads on the ends of their tentacles (like Dan or Fa'Lina do), then their clan founder (in Dan's case, Cyra) is still alive, and giving them a bit of a boost in their power.
The only bit you're missing is that the clan founder is not only alive, but successfully ascended to tri-wing form. A clan can have an un-ascended leader, but the tentacle-heads appear as part of the leader's ascension.
Apparently it can be also faked by magic, but in the case of Cyra's clan it's the genuine article. According to Amber, if someone is good enough to fake the heads properly, that means they're also pretty badass. Either way, you meet someone like that, you try to stay on their good side.
Quote from: Alondro on March 27, 2009, 08:50:02 AM
I think Fa'lina needs to show up, eat his soul, and be done with him once and for all. :nod
Strictly, I think that if anyone's going to do that, it's going to be Dee. Though it seems a waste of villain. He'd look better stuffed in a jewel around Dan's neck.
I suspect Aliph does not know about the dragons' war with Dan's clan, otherwise, telling them where Dan is would be a good way to solve his problem.
With regards,
Ted
Quote from: Ted Schiller on March 27, 2009, 10:23:16 AM
I suspect Aliph does not know about the dragons' war with Dan's clan, otherwise, telling them where Dan is would be a good way to solve his problem.
Also a good way to find himself in an urn instead of a coffin when Lorenda and Kria find out.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 27, 2009, 10:26:23 AM
Quote from: Ted Schiller on March 27, 2009, 10:23:16 AM
I suspect Aliph does not know about the dragons' war with Dan's clan, otherwise, telling them where Dan is would be a good way to solve his problem.
Also a good way to find himself in an urn instead of a coffin when Lorenda and Kria find out.
Or when Destania finds out.
Quote from: Mao Laoren on March 27, 2009, 10:40:27 AM
Or when Destania finds out.
I suspect if that happens,
I suspect the condition of his body will become irrelevant...
EDIT: Such wonderful proof-reading...
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 27, 2009, 10:41:47 AM
I suspect if that happens, I suspect the condition of his body will become irrelevant...
He'll make a pretty necklace, though.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 27, 2009, 06:58:13 AM
Now I'm curious as to why DP considers Lorenda to be so high-caste, when she's only half-Demon. Maybe the Soulstealers are a family of more quality than we assumed.
I'm going to guess it actually doesn't matter what their status is (though I imagine it's pretty up there):
no one would be good enough for Aliph's niece Lorenda. :U
Somehow I doubt anyone except the insiders know about the Dragon-Cyra thing. Not exactly the kind of information you want public.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 27, 2009, 10:41:47 AM
Quote from: Mao Laoren on March 27, 2009, 10:40:27 AM
Or when Destania finds out.
I suspect if that happens, I suspect the condition of his body will become irrelevant...
i suspect something like this would occur
(http://msrb.files.wordpress.com/2007/12/mushroom-cloud-hb.jpg) only with more blood and gore.
Quote from: kaskar on March 27, 2009, 10:10:33 AM
8) At the moment, I wonder what is more hazardous to DP ? Dan, or Kria ? What does Regina do in the near future ? Stay , or go ? Does our favourite Warp Aci ever turn up, to see that Abel is needed ? And what happens if Abel turns up at the Soulstealer Estate ? So many things ...
You know, Abel and Lorenda have never even seen each other. Kria, of course, will recognize Abel right off, and
vice versa.
Abel can delay uncomfortable explanations by justifiably saying "Frig! Fi, SAIA infirmary, now!"
I wonder if Mab does healing magic?
Quote from: inuhanyo on March 27, 2009, 02:53:58 PM
You know, Abel and Lorenda have never even seen each other.
Actually, Abel has seen Lorenda, albeit in Jyrras' mind (strip 571). He doesn't seem to have made the connection with Kria, though.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 27, 2009, 03:04:45 PM
Quote from: inuhanyo on March 27, 2009, 02:53:58 PM
You know, Abel and Lorenda have never even seen each other.
Actually, Abel has seen Lorenda, albeit in Jyrras' mind (strip 571). He doesn't seem to have made the connection with Kria, though.
Abel
heard Jyrras thinking about her, but we really have no idea if any visual imagery comes across in Cubi thought hearing. The term implies not. But Abel referred to her as "that cow girl", so maybe so. He doesn't know her name though, let alone her family name, so how could he have made the connection?
It's been over three hundred years, but Abel still might pick it up if he is ever formally
introduced to Lorenda.
Edit: Jyrras mentions Lorenda by (first) name in the next strip (572), but Abel has probably forgotten about it, at least until actually meeting Lorenda jogs his memory.
Quote from: inuhanyo on March 27, 2009, 03:24:39 PM
Abel heard Jyrras thinking about her, but we really have no idea if any visual imagery comes across in Cubi thought hearing. The term implies not.
It's strongly implied in strip 588, and for that matter, strip 3 of Abel pt2. Also, Destania was able to construct a pretty good replica of Devin, though we don't really know for sure how she did that.
What does make me think he did is that he didn't get the name, and you'd expect he would if it was auditory rather than visual.
EDIT:
Quote from: inuhanyo on March 27, 2009, 03:24:39 PM
He doesn't know her name though, let alone her family name, so how could he have made the connection?
I was thinking of how he pulled various Dan-related memories in 564. He obviously didn't do that with Lorenda, though in principle he could have done.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 27, 2009, 03:41:27 PM
Quote from: inuhanyo on March 27, 2009, 03:24:39 PM
He doesn't know her name though, let alone her family name, so how could he have made the connection?
I was thinking of how he pulled various Dan-related memories in 564. He obviously didn't do that with Lorenda, though in principle he could have done.
I doubt that Abel pulled memories out of Jy's head. I believe it was rather that Jy just lept to those memories. Wouldn't it be mind-reading otherwise? A difficult process at the best of times? (http://www.missmab.com/Demo/Cubi05.php)
Quote from: Pagan on March 27, 2009, 04:47:23 PM
I doubt that Abel pulled memories out of Jy's head. I believe it was rather that Jy just lept to those memories. Wouldn't it be mind-reading otherwise? A difficult process at the best of times? (http://www.missmab.com/Demo/Cubi05.php)
Half and half. I was under the impression that 'Cubi could pick up surface thoughts easily enough. I'm not suggesting he drilled deeply into Jy's mind.
DP has known about Destiana for awhile, so likely he already knew what clan Dan was, at best he was probably wondering if he would be cubi in the end mixed with a being.
Quote from: Foxfire on March 27, 2009, 05:01:09 PM
DP has known about Destiana for awhile, so likely he already knew what clan Dan was, at best he was probably wondering if he would be cubi in the end mixed with a being.
With 'Cubi it's either 'yes' or 'no', you don't get a halfway mix. But yeah, it seemed pretty obvious to me that DP would expect Dan to be an immature incubus.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 27, 2009, 03:41:27 PM
Quote from: inuhanyo on March 27, 2009, 03:24:39 PM
Abel heard Jyrras thinking about her, but we really have no idea if any visual imagery comes across in Cubi thought hearing. The term implies not.
It's strongly implied in strip 588, and for that matter, strip 3 of Abel pt2. Also, Destania was able to construct a pretty good replica of Devin, though we don't really know for sure how she did that.
What does make me think he did is that he didn't get the name, and you'd expect he would if it was auditory rather than visual.
Are you referring to the apparition of Devin that appeared to Abel after Fa'Lina left his room at SAIA? How do you know that Destania created that? I assumed that Abel "ate" Devin's soul unintentionally when Devin died. Abel was certainly still connected to him to hear his dying thoughts.
Also, didn't I read somewhere that Cubi don't get long lives until they consume at least one soul?
Quote from: jeffh4 on March 27, 2009, 05:19:06 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 27, 2009, 03:41:27 PM
Quote from: inuhanyo on March 27, 2009, 03:24:39 PM
Abel heard Jyrras thinking about her, but we really have no idea if any visual imagery comes across in Cubi thought hearing. The term implies not.
It's strongly implied in strip 588, and for that matter, strip 3 of Abel pt2. Also, Destania was able to construct a pretty good replica of Devin, though we don't really know for sure how she did that.
What does make me think he did is that he didn't get the name, and you'd expect he would if it was auditory rather than visual.
Are you referring to the apparition of Devin that appeared to Abel after Fa'Lina left his room at SAIA? How do you know that Destania created that? I assumed that Abel "ate" Devin's soul unintentionally when Devin died. Abel was certainly still connected to him to hear his dying thoughts.
Here. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_039.php)
Fact Dee is right there suggests the Devin was definately her as the train of thought is still following exactly. Abel's clearly so out of it by that point he probably didn't really notice the change of tone and just the words instead when it's revealed she's there. Hell it coulda been one wierd dream she decided to have a look see into for all we know.
Quote from: jeffh4 on March 27, 2009, 05:19:06 PMAlso, didn't I read somewhere that Cubi don't get long lives until they consume at least one soul?
And I'm honestly struggling with the soul zapping thing, Devin just... died. No additional thing to hasten it as he was slowly fading out. Though that said I'm under my own assumption that it takes a more delibrate action to soul zap something over accidentally nomming your pet rabbit. Neither has really been confirmed or denied far as I'm aware :)
I also suck qith quotes, I keep breaking the code :<
Quote from: jeffh4 on March 27, 2009, 05:19:06 PM
Are you referring to the apparition of Devin that appeared to Abel after Fa'Lina left his room at SAIA? How do you know that Destania created that?
Because Abel was asleep and she was controlling him (Devin). Look at strip 39 - the entire sequence where Devin appears is Abel dreaming. Note that when he appears above Destania, he's lying on his side (we're seeing the wings) - in the dream, he's sitting up. Now, what's not clear is whether she did create Devin from Abel's memories or whether Abel dreamed him and she simply grabbed it. If it was purely the product of Abel's dream I'd have expected other characters to appear, his mother, for example, or Xander, or heck, Kria or Cindy. However it makes a certain strange sense if Destania chose Devin - they were both blue felines after all.
QuoteI assumed that Abel "ate" Devin's soul unintentionally when Devin died. Abel was certainly still connected to him to hear his dying thoughts.
AFAIK it's something which has to be taught - it's not a natural ability. Also, I'd have expected something about it in Devin's cast page if he was soul-dead. At the moment it leaves it unclear whether Devin actually has the same soul (without the memories) or a completely new one.
QuoteAlso, didn't I read somewhere that Cubi don't get long lives until they consume at least one soul?
It gives them longer lives, yes. We don't know how much it gains them or how long they live unaided. If we look at Mab's line in 308, it's implied they naturally live for a couple of thousand years, unless Mab thinks Dan is going to go on a soul-rampage, of course.
The way I see it, you get about 3000 years and if you want more than that, then you'll have to go for some kind of external energy source - souls being the quickest and easiest way (but not the only way). Bear in mind that this figure is only speculation and may be wrong.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 27, 2009, 05:38:10 PMQuoteI assumed that Abel "ate" Devin's soul unintentionally when Devin died. Abel was certainly still connected to him to hear his dying thoughts.
AFAIK it's something which has to be taught - it's not a natural ability. Also, I'd have expected something about it in Devin's cast page if he was soul-dead. At the moment it leaves it unclear whether Devin actually has the same soul (without the memories) or a completely new one.
If I remember right, Devin's cast page states that he is the same person he was before he died, just sans memories - which certainly implies that he has the same soul.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 27, 2009, 05:38:10 PM
It gives them longer lives, yes. We don't know how much it gains them or how long they live unaided. If we look at Mab's line in 308, it's implied they naturally live for a couple of thousand years, unless Mab thinks Dan is going to go on a soul-rampage, of course.
The way I see it, you get about 3000 years and if you want more than that, then you'll have to go for some kind of external energy source - souls being the quickest and easiest way (but not the only way). Bear in mind that this figure is only speculation and may be wrong.
The Cubi page (http://www.missmab.com/Demo/cubi.php) says that the average Cubi lifespan is 3,000+ years. The Wiki Cubi page (http://dmfa.wikia.com/wiki/Cubi) says:
Cubi have a nominal lifespan of around 3000 years (twice that of demons and angels). ... The consumption of souls is not necessary for a Cubi's survival, although it will greatly increase their powers and lifespan. ...
The notes for the page reference three discussion treads on Cubi energy feeding and related issues.
What do you guys think would happen if Abel saw undead Devin?
my two cents on the Kria/DP who's more powerful... I know it's been mentioned in this thread that Kria wanted to spar with Dan to see if she's better than DP, thus implying that they do not know. And it's been mentioned that DP is at a disadvantage due to being injured and probably due to Kira being his sister. as for Teh_Hobo's comment on the first page
Quote'm not so sure about Kria being more powerful than Aliph. While yes, Kria wipes out cities, but Aliph did create an entire race. He made a few mistakes with that, but you would probably need to be plenty powerful to do something of that magnitude. Bringing the dead to life would likely require an almost godly power, unless theres something I'm missing.
There is some thing we are missing. Time. In all of the gaming systems that I know of (although I do not know very many), the amount of time required to do something changes the amount of power required. The longer it takes to do something the less powerful the user has to be in order to reach the same outcome. While yes, making a race does take tremendous effort, we do not know how long it took DP to do it. Another thing to take into account is the concept of practice make perfect. We are not exactly sure if either one (Kira or DP) has more experience with fighting a single foe than the other one. The trick with destroying cities is that while you are killing a lot of people, they are not fighting back much and are easy to kill. Fighting a single foe on a similar power level takes a different set of skills.
So at the moment I'll assume that at base DP and Kria are about the same power level. Or at least I'll assume that until proven otherwise.
Quote from: JackTheCubiFerret on March 27, 2009, 10:50:08 PM
What do you guys think would happen if Abel saw undead Devin?
No clue. Able has had a couple hundred years to become emotionally detached from that incident. It could go several ways and I'm not sure which would even be more likely.
*Edit - wow, I never realized how badly I've been misreading Kria's name until now.. I've been reading it as Kira :erk then again studies have shown that the human mind only needs the first and last letters of a word in the right locations and all the right letters present to be read as the appropriate word, even if the middle ones are out of order.
QuoteI'd like to point out that this isn't the only time that adventurers have been made out as the badguys. Remember what Ink said to Dan about adventurer-slaying. Of course, being that adventurers probably are the epitome of the Creature's whole shtick about those with more power over those who have less, you wouldn't expect this to be the case... huh...
Here's the thing though: they see beings as inferior. Ergo, they'll attribute it to whatever it takes to make them look like they're out on top.
Creatures are racist, or at least, many are. That's why they dislike adventurers; they turn the tables on the creatures. Its not so funny when they're the ones who die, its not so fair or the way of the world. Destania herself was being "avenged" by Aaryana, lest we forget.
Here's, I think, the most important point of all, though, and what people are missing:
He said that he expected this sort of thing from Kria.This is further confirmation of the fact that Kria, however evil she may seem, is a softie as far as a demon goes. Remember, she had a being for a mate, she's commented on two other beings being hot, she let Abel go, she actually apologized for breaking down the wrong door in the shopping center...
While she sees herself as destruction incarnate and an evil demon-mare, it seems fairly obvious that she isn't actually as bad as she likes to believe she is. She thinks she's really awesomely evil, but when it comes down to the wire of being ruthless, she avoids stepping over that line. Not that she's not evil in a callous sort of way, because she at the very least is incredibly strongly implied to be (eating the tour guide, the pizza delivery boy). All of her evil actions have fallen under the rule of funny and have occurred offscreen, too - and at least one of them (the gardener) was said to be because she thought he was an assassin. She's a bit schitzoprhenic as a character, and as such, its quite possible a lot of her actions are justified via random impulse rather than maliciousness.
QuoteAlso a good way to find himself in an urn instead of a coffin when Lorenda and Kria find out.
Lest we forget, he knew that Dan was Destania's son -prior- to this incident. He knew it before the first DMFA strip, chronoloically speaking.
So he either must not know of the fued, doesn't think the dragons would kill Dan for them, or doesn't want to approach the dragons for other reasons (though its worth noting, he employed a dragon). Its also possible he HAS told them, but they either didn't care, didn't want to do anything about it, have their own reasons for doing nothing, did something but were unsuccessful, or are simply too stupid to really get Dan. Or, possibly, Dan bribed the dragons to leave him alone without realizing why they were after him in the first place - he did owe that one money, after all. :P
QuoteI'm going to guess it actually doesn't matter what their status is (though I imagine it's pretty up there): no one would be good enough for Aliph's niece Lorenda.
Plausible.
QuoteNow I'm curious as to why DP considers Lorenda to be so high-caste, when she's only half-Demon. Maybe the Soulstealers are a family of more quality than we assumed.
She may be considered to be a full demon, like how "half-cubi" are really full cubi. Or he just considers her to be such.
QuoteWhat do you guys think would happen if Abel saw undead Devin?
Abel has psychoses. I'd be surprised if he didn't freak out.
Quote from: Kenway975 on March 27, 2009, 11:20:04 PM
my two cents on the Kira/DP who's more powerful...
Who's this Kira you keep talking about?
Quote from: inuhanyo on March 27, 2009, 09:33:04 PM
The Cubi page (http://www.missmab.com/Demo/cubi.php) says that the average Cubi lifespan is 3,000+ years.
Yes, but that may be an average between 100'000 years and 16 or something >:3
Fact is, we don't know whether approximately 3000 is their natural lifespan or not. I'm assuming it is, and that you have to eat souls or whatever to get an 'unnatural' lifespan.
QuoteThe Wiki Cubi page (http://dmfa.wikia.com/wiki/Cubi) says:
Cubi have a nominal lifespan of around 3000 years (twice that of demons and angels). ... The consumption of souls is not necessary for a Cubi's survival, although it will greatly increase their powers and lifespan. ...
The notes for the page reference three discussion treads on Cubi energy feeding and related issues.
Don't forget that I wrote that page myself. Some of my assumptions may have leaked into it.
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