Quite an illuminating page, don'tcha think? It's really nice how Amber addresses this when most stories I've seen gloss over it. Then again, most other people don't have characters who normally come from non-clothes-friendly places. :P
Uh...Matilda's got some nice expressions and Blondie looks hawt. *runs*
Those tail clips make me think of, like, a bra for your butt...
Not I mind the idea hidding my tail..But its not brushy enough like Kenjis :<
If you get a cheap zipper, the zip just ends up getting stuck in the fabric instead :P
This just reinforces my conviction that Amber is a detail Nazi.
Quote from: BillBuckner on April 24, 2007, 10:10:24 PM
This just reinforces my conviction that Amber is a detail Nazi.
How so? Most furry forums have at least one discussion on how pants work. It's just one of those weird but interesting topics that come up in the furry fandom.
Wow, really? I learned something new!
:tmyk
Quote from: BillBuckner on April 24, 2007, 10:21:24 PM
Wow, really? I learned something new!
:tmyk
Not only that but your knowledge of pants has increased by 2!
I'm sure that'll help me defeat that boss.
Hope Amber talks about fire retardent clothes as well...Sides we have those fire elements out there you know
Quote from: BillBuckner on April 24, 2007, 10:23:56 PM
I'm sure that'll help me defeat that boss.
Don't be silly. You need to know about the hats first :B
Course those velcro ones can be a pain too if your in a hurry and they get caught in your fur.
Cute, Hope she dose shirts and wings :3
Quote from: BillBuckner on April 24, 2007, 10:10:24 PM
This just reinforces my conviction that Amber is a detail Nazi.
You noticed that, huh? If you've ever had a conversation with her, you'll see that her mind for details is really something to see in action. It's amazing the amount of stuff she has worked out in her head for DMFA. THIS is the real Amber, and we're damned lucky that she uses her powers of obsessive detailing for good instead of evil (well, mostly).
Quote from: thegayhare on April 24, 2007, 10:48:34 PMCourse those velcro ones can be a pain too if your in a hurry and they get caught in your fur.
You know, Velcro was actually
designed to mimic the Burdock plant, which had evolved to attach itself to fur.
It's just been confirmed: Pants are awesome. :3
Quote from: RJ on April 24, 2007, 11:55:42 PM
It's just been confirmed: Pants are awesome. :3
I strongly disagree.
Quote from: RJ on April 24, 2007, 11:55:42 PM
It's just been confirmed: Pants are awesome. :3
Indeed. Completely unlike uppity, backtalking and rather breezy
shorts.
Although, in complete honesty, I prefer certain kinds of skirts better. :3
If only it was ok for guys to wear skirts... Oh yeah, that would be the life. c:
Quote from: Rythak on April 25, 2007, 12:17:38 AM
If only it was ok for guys to wear skirts... Oh yeah, that would be the life. c:
I don't see what you mean. Are you saying it's not? :<
Quote from: Cogidubnus on April 25, 2007, 12:19:53 AM
Quote from: Rythak on April 25, 2007, 12:17:38 AM
If only it was ok for guys to wear skirts... Oh yeah, that would be the life. c:
I don't see what you mean. Are you saying it's not? :<
I meant in public m8. Last time I wore a skirt in public it was because. . . . . nevermind id rather not talk about it :sweatdrop
No way, that's what kilts are for. Real men wear kilts, not pink.™
Quote from: Hazzy on April 25, 2007, 12:24:51 AM
No way, that's what kilts are for. Real men wear kilts, not pink.™
Real men wear hakama. Split skirts, baby! >:3
Quote from: Cogidubnus on April 25, 2007, 12:27:13 AM
Quote from: Hazzy on April 25, 2007, 12:24:51 AM
No way, that's what kilts are for. Real men wear kilts, not pink.™
Real men wear hakama. Split skirts, baby! >:3
Ya just dont get that kinda breeze wearin pants.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhh thats nice. :)
I can't believe I only just now remembered the powderpuff games at high school. It was funny seeing guys in cheerleader outfits, and some with wigs and heavy make-up.
Speaking of which, one of my old friends amended that statement Haz. They added the make-up part to it.
Quote from: Cogidubnus on April 25, 2007, 12:27:13 AM
Quote from: Hazzy on April 25, 2007, 12:24:51 AM
No way, that's what kilts are for. Real men wear kilts, not pink.™
Real men wear hakama. Split skirts, baby! >:3
my hakama didn't have legs. I had to wear shorts under it to keep from flashing the audience! :sweatdrop
Having experience with velcro+my hair, I don't believe that velcro would actually cause a lot of problems with fur, as fur tends to be fairly short and straight, and only the strands which were actively being shed would be released. Zippers, on the other hand, are evil.
Not in DMFA context, but for other reasons, I imagined most races with tails would buy pants where the hem in the back is actually pop-off, velcro, which would allow for a varying range of tail sizes to be accomodated by the same pair of pants.
For lycanthropes such as who I shall be dealing with, I'm thinking most pants are either sagged, or have an elastic flap which lets the tail out, and then hides the hole when it's gone. Were-folk prefer to be incognito.
Quote from: Fuyudenki on April 25, 2007, 01:27:58 AM
my hakama didn't have legs. I had to wear shorts under it to keep from flashing the audience! :sweatdrop
Having experience with velcro+my hair, I don't believe that velcro would actually cause a lot of problems with fur, as fur tends to be fairly short and straight, and only the strands which were actively being shed would be released. Zippers, on the other hand, are evil.
Not in DMFA context, but for other reasons, I imagined most races with tails would buy pants where the hem in the back is actually pop-off, velcro, which would allow for a varying range of tail sizes to be accomodated by the same pair of pants.
For lycanthropes such as who I shall be dealing with, I'm thinking most pants are either sagged, or have an elastic flap which lets the tail out, and then hides the hole when it's gone. Were-folk prefer to be incognito.
I guess you're a lot less bothered by velcro than I am then. I found zippers less evil than velcro, since the mere memory of hearing velcro rip really grates on my nerves. :E Still, that's a thought that could be looked into.
Oh my, now I'm wondering what Velcro did to you when you were younger to give you such a paranoia. As far as catching, velcro behaves more like a comb when applied to hair or fur, and the gripping aspect is due largely to the "loop" side being very literally named.
More recently, I've been seeing velcro that's shaped neither as hook nor loop, but as lots and lots of tiny little mushrooms, which intermesh quite well with themselves or with a modified type of 'loop' side.
As far as zippers and fur go, I've actually seen what a poorly-aimed zipper can do to a hamster's fur coat, and my brother's hamster had a bald spot on her hip for a couple of weeks because of it. I've seen zippers get bound up so many times that I've actually become fairly adept at fixing them.
hopefully we get underwear next >:3 gaaaaaah *drools*
Erm, what about skirts? Would there still be a hole for a tail, or would the tail just stay under the skirt, or what?
There's most likely a hole for skirts too. Otherwise it'd be a bit uncomfortable.
What I wonder about is body armor and full body suits (like space suits or something).
I see no reason for skirts to have a hole in them, as the tail is an extension of the spinal column, and would(maybe not in DMFA, I'm not the resident biologist there)most probably simply proceed straight down, naturally. Most animal tails begin in the direction that the spinal column was in when it ended.(now we're treating the path from the head to the tail as a timeline. Interesting.)
I think with space suits, you're stuck with your tail down your pants leg. A little uncomfortable, but better than hard vacuum. This is, of course, assuming Furrae has space traval in the first place. Full body armor probably has barding for the tail, similar to that on a horse's head.
Velcro can be a wonder for pants . Infinitely adjustable to the needs of the user, it can be used to attach one bit of cloth to another piece of cloth, so you can always adjust your pants. However, It can mistake a hair for a bit of cloth, and so attach itself to all those hairs. How do you seperate velcro from hair or fur ? With much pain ...
We've already discussed the Velcro thing, it won't stick to hair/fur unless it's in very small curls, like Velcro is.
Eatch time you mock a skirt...Dakata kicks a puppy
Quote from: Fuyudenki on April 25, 2007, 02:13:06 AM
I see no reason for skirts to have a hole in them, as the tail is an extension of the spinal column, and would(maybe not in DMFA, I'm not the resident biologist there)most probably simply proceed straight down, naturally. Most animal tails begin in the direction that the spinal column was in when it ended.
Yes, but unless you have perpetual tail endurance, tails tend not to be stationary objects.
Subconscious or not, if it curls upward, there will be a definite panty shot for miniskirts. (Subject: Catgirl in Japanese anime schoolgirl outfit. Shock drives her tail upward, shocked catgirl then gets embarrassed by the perverted gazes behind her.)
For long skirts, raising your tail from under the skirt has this tendency to pull the skirt and consequently hamper movement by somewhat binding your thighs together.
Quote from: Rafe on April 24, 2007, 11:47:26 PM
If you've ever had a conversation with her, you'll see that her mind for details is really something to see in action. It's amazing the amount of stuff she has worked out in her head for DMFA. THIS is the real Amber, and we're damned lucky that she uses her powers of obsessive detailing for good instead of evil (well, mostly).
I've said it before, but I'll say it again. This amazing depth is one of the reasons I love DMFA so much.
And while I try to think things through in detail myself, the thing about zips and fur just didn't occur to me at all...
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 25, 2007, 04:36:45 AM
Quote from: Rafe on April 24, 2007, 11:47:26 PM
If you've ever had a conversation with her, you'll see that her mind for details is really something to see in action. It's amazing the amount of stuff she has worked out in her head for DMFA. THIS is the real Amber, and we're damned lucky that she uses her powers of obsessive detailing for good instead of evil (well, mostly).
I've said it before, but I'll say it again. This amazing depth is one of the reasons I love DMFA so much.
My annoyance with it is merely a sideline - I don't know what names Amber has assigned to various bit parts, so I can't put them into the script. Which is totally irrelevant to my enjoyment of the comic. :-]
Quote from: Fuyudenki on April 25, 2007, 02:13:06 AM
I think with space suits, you're stuck with your tail down your pants leg. A little uncomfortable, but better than hard vacuum. This is, of course, assuming Furrae has space traval in the first place. Full body armor probably has barding for the tail, similar to that on a horse's head.
That would depend on the armour, and the tail, I expect.
I mean - if you have a prehensile tail, you're going to be seriously upset if someone can damage it. Also, you're going to want to use it to damage -them-, so heavier flexible armour would be useful.
If you have a gripping tail, you're going to want to take that into account (think possum) or, if it's likely to wag, you're going to want to not put too much weight on it and overbalance yourself.
The other thing to note is that you could put -more- weight on the frontal armour if you balance it with the tail, but then, there's other issues involved with that (the "turtle" effect, when the guy in steel falls over, and can't get back up without help, or the horseback issue, since fully armoured knights in plate were unable to get onto the horse without assistance, either...)
Remember, folks - various forms of armour are for different tasks. In a pitched melee, you -need- to be able to duck and dodge and weave, and somewhat less steel is a requirement for that.
Most suits of armour were custom-built for the wearer. The less-constrictive stuff, like greaves and breastplates and shoulder pads (I know that's not the name, but it escapes me just now) were designed as bulk-build, but also not designed to be used as a full cover - they had gaps, which means you have to watch the gaps.
Mail would also be of use, but again, there's that fur issue...
.. I wonder, actually, how much fun could be had sitting down and discussing some particular detail of something in minutiae... :-]
Matilda seems to be looking at us while rolling her third eye, I wonder how much control you'd have over extra eyes.
Quote from: Fex on April 25, 2007, 01:58:51 AM
hopefully we get underwear next >:3 gaaaaaah *drools*
Underwear? Why bother?
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 25, 2007, 04:45:11 AM
shoulder pads (I know that's not the name, but it escapes me just now)
pauldrons?
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 25, 2007, 04:45:11 AM
I mean - if you have a prehensile tail, you're going to be seriously upset if someone can damage it. Also, you're going to want to use it to damage -them-, so heavier flexible armour would be useful.
I've got a doberman character in the works for one of my stories and this made me wonder if the well-'ard canids go in for tail-docking. It might be like getting a tattoo or something, and it would certainly reduce your profile on the battlefield.
Looking at KoH's neat picture of Paladin on the rooftop, his wings make him a bigger target as well. Of course
he could shapeshift those away, and the tail too.
Tapewolf in Kevin and Kell
(yeah it's anouther comic but it seems like a good referance)
Taildocking does seem to be in the leauge of tattooing and body peircings, along with notches and Bites out of ears
I wonder is Rabbits with such small fairly imobile tails would bother with the holes
edited for groggy screw ups
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on April 25, 2007, 07:46:10 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 25, 2007, 04:45:11 AM
shoulder pads (I know that's not the name, but it escapes me just now)
pauldrons?
Yes, I think that was it. Thanks. :-]
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 25, 2007, 08:13:53 AM
I've got a doberman character in the works for one of my stories and this made me wonder if the well-'ard canids go in for tail-docking. It might be like getting a tattoo or something, and it would certainly reduce your profile on the battlefield.
Well... being well-'ard, you can imagine them getting all -sorts- of painful adaptations. Removing a tail, though? Whilst, as a human, that seems reasonable, thinking about it, that would affect balance, and ability to run, and jumping, and fighting, and probably other things too, and seems possibly a little on the "I'm -too- tough for my own good" level.
Then, of course, there's the references in "Zig Zag: The Story" to some, uh, slightly more adult uses for a tail, to whit, enjoying the feeling of someone running their hands over it. Removing it in that case seems more like circumcision than docking - although I'll admit that Zig Zag has a slightly more impressive tail than your average doberman or Manx cat... Varying per species, maybe? Some feeling it's like a piercing, others more like removing a finger?
Details, details. :-] Bearing in mind that some places, removing your own finger or something is a sign of being a man, or so I gather... I could well be wrong, but there's all sorts of strange practices out there.
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 25, 2007, 08:13:53 AM
Looking at KoH's neat picture of Paladin on the rooftop, his wings make him a bigger target as well. Of course he could shapeshift those away, and the tail too.
Mmm. Personally, sniping someone, you'd want to shapshift your spine into a pretzel, so you can put as much of yourself behind cover as possible. Perhaps shapeshift into a slug, or something, so that you can put an eye and a rifle over the corner, and keep the rest hidden?
Alternatively, invisibility is a good one - shapeshift your colours to match the sky behind you. Obviously, this requires practice, and sneakiness, and some variance, and some idea of where your target is, otherwise you start showing up like nothing on earth, but some intelligent colouration changes would break up your profile something chronic, and make you nearly impossible to see. Particularly if you can do the octopus thing, and -move- the colours as you sit.
.. perhaps I'm just naturally sneaky?
Quote from: Rafe on April 24, 2007, 11:47:26 PM
Quote from: BillBuckner on April 24, 2007, 10:10:24 PM
This just reinforces my conviction that Amber is a detail Nazi.
You noticed that, huh? If you've ever had a conversation with her, you'll see that her mind for details is really something to see in action. It's amazing the amount of stuff she has worked out in her head for DMFA. THIS is the real Amber, and we're damned lucky that she uses her powers of obsessive detailing for good instead of evil (well, mostly).
That's the thing I appreciate most about her. Details are incredibly important in writing fiction. Why do you think LoTR has been a mega-classic? The detail Tolkien went into when designing that world is staggering when you look into his notes and biography. I mean, he made entire languages for it!
I too am a detail freak. Things in my stories must progress in a logical manner and make sense (the intense training as a scientist has helped hone that, but it's something innate as well), as well as what is said, how the characters interact and respond. In fact, many of my ideas have stalled simply because I can't make certain things fit together in a reasonable way, and thus I conclude that it FAILS and must be abandoned... plus I'm too busy with work and my graduate paper on IGF-I's etiologic role in late-onset type 2 diabetes with a skeletal muscle hypotrophic phenotype to spend enough time on amateur writing anymore. :B
All that being said, with all the fur/scale/skin/fire and such, the massive differences in physiology and form, and the numerous requirements for magic, it would appear that one needs degrees in engineering and physics to enter the fashion world in Furrae! :3
I have the question for this Boxer or Briefs and my other question does Alexsi wear a thong or Falina or Kria or Lorenda inquiring minds wants to know but of the issue of the tail going through the hole it should be standard to all maner in cluding underwear :dribble >:3.
Quote from: RJ on April 25, 2007, 06:20:01 AM
Quote from: Fex on April 25, 2007, 01:58:51 AM
hopefully we get underwear next >:3 gaaaaaah *drools*
Underwear? Why bother?
... man your right :bow thank you almighty wise furr
Quote from: RJ on April 25, 2007, 06:20:01 AM
Quote from: Fex on April 25, 2007, 01:58:51 AM
hopefully we get underwear next >:3 gaaaaaah *drools*
Underwear? Why bother?
So you don't create skidmarks on your good clothes?
Or maybe to better entice your significant other, if said underwear is a) all you wear and b) flimsy, full of sequins, and see-through in strategic places?
Quote from: Vidar on April 25, 2007, 05:05:02 PM
Or maybe to better entice your significant other, if said underwear is a) all you wear and b) flimsy, full of sequins, and see-through in strategic places?
.. and, of course, not-see-through in strategic places. As has been noted, a woman in skimpy clothing is sexier than one buck-naked, strange though that may seem.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 25, 2007, 04:45:11 AM
Mail would also be of use, but again, there's that fur issue...
Fur wouldn't matter for Mail, since it's completely ineffective without a thick layer of padding underneath it anyway.
Seriously, they did some tests with sides of beef and big swords and chainmail, and mail + leather = awesome, but mail on its own was useless.
Quote from: terrycloth on April 25, 2007, 07:07:29 PMSeriously, they did some tests with sides of beef and big swords and chainmail, and mail + leather = awesome, but mail on its own was useless.
Did they remember to match the leather up with its previous owner?
I wonder if lead shirts are still in fashion :P
Quote from: Zedd on April 25, 2007, 07:46:22 PM
I wonder if lead shirts are still in fashion :P
Whaaaaaaatt?!?!
http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/store/artist/album/0,,1152365,00.html
Quote from: Rythak on April 25, 2007, 09:02:52 PM
Quote from: Zedd on April 25, 2007, 07:46:22 PM
I wonder if lead shirts are still in fashion :P
Whaaaaaaatt?!?!
http://www.artistdirect.com/nad/store/artist/album/0,,1152365,00.html
I think I made the minotaur explode..Anyone got any wacky glue?
Quote from: Ink on April 25, 2007, 03:30:47 AM
Quote from: Fuyudenki on April 25, 2007, 02:13:06 AM
I see no reason for skirts to have a hole in them, as the tail is an extension of the spinal column, and would(maybe not in DMFA, I'm not the resident biologist there)most probably simply proceed straight down, naturally. Most animal tails begin in the direction that the spinal column was in when it ended.
Yes, but unless you have perpetual tail endurance, tails tend not to be stationary objects.
Subconscious or not, if it curls upward, there will be a definite panty shot for miniskirts. (Subject: Catgirl in Japanese anime schoolgirl outfit. Shock drives her tail upward, shocked catgirl then gets embarrassed by the perverted gazes behind her.)
For long skirts, raising your tail from under the skirt has this tendency to pull the skirt and consequently hamper movement by somewhat binding your thighs together.
The evil doctor makes a good point. I was specifically thinking "wolf tail, long dress," so apparently, I didn't have all the bases covered. Apparently, I didn't even have half the bases covered, and upon further inspection, I remember that Mab usually has a chute in the back of her dresses through which her big, poofy tail usually goes. I suppose in retrospect that dress styles will vary as much in tail openings as in any other aspec
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 25, 2007, 04:45:11 AM
That would depend on the armour, and the tail, I expect.
I mean - if you have a prehensile tail, you're going to be seriously upset if someone can damage it. Also, you're going to want to use it to damage -them-, so heavier flexible armour would be useful.
Again, good point, wolfey tail.
I actually have gone to the trouble of designing body armor for a werewolf. That was fun.
I won't go into detail, as it's really a waste of your time. Just throwing that out there.
Of course, one can consider that the wearer fits the garment, as the garment fits the wearer. As Abel pointed out in #516, most clothing could not be made to fit " off the rack " , but the creature ( e.g. ) cubi, could mould their bodies to fit the clothes .
The body can , with clothing, turn itself into a fashion statement, and with a bit of concentration from the owner, show off the aspects of the owner to the world , while not advertising the faults
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 25, 2007, 05:16:27 PM
Quote from: Vidar on April 25, 2007, 05:05:02 PM
Or maybe to better entice your significant other, if said underwear is a) all you wear and b) flimsy, full of sequins, and see-through in strategic places?
.. and, of course, not-see-through in strategic places. As has been noted, a woman in skimpy clothing is sexier than one buck-naked, strange though that may seem.
Alexi , apart from her skirt hair,and other added fashion statements has a few rings on her tail. Notice ?
From A.C.M.E Padded Pants
Yes, it's with a tuck to the left,
And a stitch to the right,
And it now gets a feel,
As if it's stitched with twine,
But it's with the felt pads on,
That you can wear now,
Or again, or again, or again,
Till you go, and buy, our brand, again ... Apologies "Time Warp Theme Song " ( botched ) (apologies for double post, bad lyrics are too easily forgotten )
*groan*
Well played, kaskar, well played. :-]
Hows about Abel in a thong who's up for that?
Anywho if these questions can't be answered then my head wil explode. >:3
Even more than that http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_385.php As you can see, Aary is manipulating the cloth, so either, it is a part of her in which case she would technically be naked. If you say that its something she created out of thin air, sure, thats fine, but, on a little bit different tact, http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_587.php
Hm... It seems cubi dont wear anything below there outer layer, or atleast Aary didn't(im seriously doubting that people would gape like that if she was in her underwear...
Meh... I had a couple more theory's I wanted to add, but I forgot them :(
Discuss!
-Robbie
Quote from: RobbieThe1st on April 26, 2007, 08:00:08 AM
Even more than that http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_385.php As you can see, Aary is manipulating the cloth, so either, it is a part of her in which case she would technically be naked. If you say that its something she created out of thin air, sure, thats fine, but, on a little bit different tact, http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_587.php
Hm... It seems cubi dont wear anything below there outer layer, or at least Aary didn't im seriously doubting that people would gape like that if she was in her underwear...
Meh... I had a couple more theory's I wanted to add, but I forgot them :(
Discuss! I just was wondering how the Cubi, (e.g. Abel), "modify" the fabrics to the various tastes, and needs, in colour, type, and texture, etc ... , for the end user ... Also, how do the fabrics interreact with the end user ... etc ...
-Robbie
Quote from: Vidar on April 25, 2007, 05:05:02 PM
Quote from: RJ on April 25, 2007, 06:20:01 AM
Quote from: Fex on April 25, 2007, 01:58:51 AM
hopefully we get underwear next >:3 gaaaaaah *drools*
Underwear? Why bother?
So you don't create skidmarks on your good clothes?
Or maybe to better entice your significant other, if said underwear is a) all you wear and b) flimsy, full of sequins, and see-through in strategic places?
Ah even Female naturist want to have wear a pair of pantys a few days every month it is sign of respect to others...
Sport bras are really needed for active big busted gals while playing sports. Lets see, if you can walk after being hit in the chest by two basketballs constantly for five minutes or more.?
:mowmeep
PBH
Quote from: ShiningShadow on April 26, 2007, 07:35:30 AM
Hows about Abel in a thong who's up for that?
Anywho if these questions can't be answered then my head wil explode. >:3
/signed
Quote from: Prof B Hunnydew on April 26, 2007, 09:22:48 AMSport bras are really needed for active big busted gals while playing sports. Lets see, if you can walk after being hit in the chest by two basketballs constantly for five minutes or more.?
Diameter of an NCAA basketball is roughly 10" (http://www.usabasketball.com/rules/rules.html). I think that would make it an E cup.
Maybe softballs would be a better analogy?
10" diameter? I think the only women I've seen with the kind of bustline-girth for that have had a disturbing amount of girth in other places, too. I concur, softballs are probably a more reasonable description.(and harder, too! That would be more painful.)
Personally, I think the human body looks better with clothes on it. Clothes are decorations, like pictures and paint on the wall, or the decorations on your Christmas tree, or the wallpaper on your computer desktop. It can accentuate colors and features, alter the outline, and even improve the shape, while being functional as well, for protection from the elements(and in my case, the sidewalk! A simple pair of blue jeans provides a surprising amount of armored protection.)
Quote from: Fuyudenki on April 26, 2007, 12:04:47 PM
10" diameter? I think the only women I've seen with the kind of bustline-girth for that have had a disturbing amount of girth in other places, too. I concur, softballs are probably a more reasonable description.(and harder, too! That would be more painful.)
Personally, I think the human body looks better with clothes on it. Clothes are decorations, like pictures and paint on the wall, or the decorations on your Christmas tree, or the wallpaper on your computer desktop. It can accentuate colors and features, alter the outline, and even improve the shape, while being functional as well, for protection from the elements(and in my case, the sidewalk! A simple pair of blue jeans provides a surprising amount of armored protection.)
Well played warrior :bow :cheers.
Quote from: Fuyudenki on April 26, 2007, 12:04:47 PM
10" diameter? I think the only women I've seen with the kind of bustline-girth for that have had a disturbing amount of girth in other places, too. I concur, softballs are probably a more reasonable description.(and harder, too! That would be more painful.)
Not necessarily. I'll admit the vast majority, but I -have- had some friends (now, sadly, in a different country, and I've lost touch) who have friends who are, to put it mildly, basketballs on an ironing board in build. Back problems are just a -starting- point.
Remember, if you're wearing basketballs, they're going to -pull away- when they reach the end of each and -every- swing. That's gotta hurt, over and above the being hit by them... :-/
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 26, 2007, 07:35:07 AM
*groan*
Well played, kaskar, well played. :-]
Thats why we dont ask him to sing for sick children
Quote from: superluser on April 26, 2007, 11:51:12 AM
Quote from: Prof B Hunnydew on April 26, 2007, 09:22:48 AMSport bras are really needed for active big busted gals while playing sports. Lets see, if you can walk after being hit in the chest by two basketballs constantly for five minutes or more.?
Diameter of an NCAA basketball is rougly 10" (http://www.usabasketball.com/rules/rules.html). I think that would make it an E cup.
Maybe softballs would be a better analogy?
Well, I was thinking of weight more than size... They sure feels like basketballs, after awhile And They do hurt with each change of motion... Up, down, side to side and each colllide, but it does not stop me from relaxing in just the fur.....
:mowcookie
PBH
That reminds me... Whether factual or fictional, I have grown amused by the way Amazons dealt with the whole "These bloody things keep getting in my way!" problem. Sure, most guys would be left speechless at the idea of an amputation of that sort, but I have to admire the direct approach.
Makes me wonder if some of them ended up a bit lopsided, though. If you were a double-D, would you cut the other one off, too, so you didn't always lean to the left? :3
Quote from: Prof B Hunnydew on April 26, 2007, 06:26:39 PMWell, I was thinking of weight more than size... They sure feels like basketballs, after awhile
For some reason, I thought that softballs would weigh more, but it seems they don't.
Many of the women i see tend to lean towards 'large grapefruit' or 'medium sized apple' endowments, very few in between and anything more is usually 'i have my own climate so the size of my breasts can only be found with a set of bookmarks' kind of woman.
back to the original topic for me...
To me this sounds very similar to the problems Casey Young had designing clothing for his creations Kuvrahks found on http://www.altermeta.net/
Ive talked to him at length and several solutions presented themselves. the first is like the ones we see here, others involve the fact that Kuvrahks were extremely happy the day that elastic straps were first mass produced. but the peak of comfort, fashion, and easy to wear tail fashion was the 'tail skirt' as can be seen here
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/45796685/?qo=15&q=by%3Anoben&qh=sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps
The idea is similar to the velcro/button/zipper apparatus we have seen so far, except that the hole is much larger and there is no fastener. the hole is larger so its quick and easy to thread the tail through, and your booty is covered up by a short piece of cloth suspended from your belt. this skirt is not very long, not very heavy, and can actually be fashionable by using different colors or fabric designs. In addition this design is very useful for those of thick or stiff tails as it is far more resistant to the upward pressure the tail would exert when the subject is sitting- the velcro/button/zipper deal on mabs pants would bust if a Kuvrahk, reptile, or draconian wearer sat down, but is otherwise well suited for the more fluffy tails found in Furrae
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Then my next question is there such a thing as sports bras in Furrae?
or they have nothing but corsets all over the place.
I know, I know talking about female breasts again. >:3
Quote from: ShiningShadow on April 27, 2007, 04:11:34 PMThen my next question is there such a thing as sports bras in Furrae?
or they have nothing but corsets all over the place.
I'm imagining Women's Lacrosse in corsets (especially the ones that don't provide any support). Sounds like fun! And comfortable!
Quote from: superluser on April 27, 2007, 04:58:03 PM
Quote from: ShiningShadow on April 27, 2007, 04:11:34 PMThen my next question is there such a thing as sports bras in Furrae?
or they have nothing but corsets all over the place.
I'm imagining Women's Lacrosse in corsets (especially the ones that don't provide any support). Sounds like fun! And comfortable!
Yea fun for who... the fans or the players...
Look "sport" Bras have been around longer then corsets or modern Bras... Ancient women banded or wrap their breast in cloth when fashion or culture started to require it, like a tube top. Corsets started as little more than a band of soft leather and laces to keep the breast in place when working in the fields.
If Furrae has velcro, they would have Modern sport bras...
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Quote from: Prof B Hunnydew on April 28, 2007, 08:12:44 AM
If Furrae has velcro, they would have Modern sport bras...
.. I'm wondering, actually, if we'll ever see anyone with more than one pair. No, not like -that- - I'm thinking more in terms of structural integrity of the system as a whole.
I mean, sports bras are more likely to turn up if you've got more than one set to keep track of, no?
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 28, 2007, 11:43:37 AM
Quote from: Prof B Hunnydew on April 28, 2007, 08:12:44 AM
If Furrae has velcro, they would have Modern sport bras...
.. I'm wondering, actually, if we'll ever see anyone with more than one pair. No, not like -that- - I'm thinking more in terms of structural integrity of the system as a whole.
I mean, sports bras are more likely to turn up if you've got more than one set to keep track of, no?
Well, besides Alexsi, we mainly see "magical" female creatures whose assets seem to defy the laws of Newton most of the time...but I will not read too much into the comic. I mean most of the cast would seem to have only one outfit or the same type and color outfits all the time. Beside a change of "wardrobe" once every few years... Jyrras and Alexsi seem to be the only one who change what color clothes they wear between appearances...
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Quote from: Prof B Hunnydew on April 28, 2007, 08:12:44 AMQuote from: superluser on April 27, 2007, 04:58:03 PMI'm imagining Women's Lacrosse in corsets (especially the ones that don't provide any support). Sounds like fun! And comfortable!
Yea fun for who... the fans or the players...
That's why I went back and added ``And comfortable!'' to make it clear that I was being sarcastic.
It's little details like this that truly give depth to a story. Bravo, Amber. I'm thoroughly impressed by your attention to detail!
hm... it looks like what i said is atleast partially correct...
QuoteThe symbol can be covered by regular clothing, it wont shine through it or anything like that. As such it can be obscured by pants or a shirt or a scarf or whatever...unless the "clothing" is in fact a cuby-transfmorphing article.
Say a cubi has a marking on her arm like aaryanna. She can change her looks to anything she wants, but always on her left shoulder there will be a purple moon, even if she "morphs" a sleeve over it...it will appear as if its the shirt design. However if she was to put on a regular cotton shirt, it would cover over it.
(taken from Here (http://nice.llearch.net/dmfa_forum1871.htm#ref627))
That definitely seems to indicate that the morphed 'clothing' would infact be clothing parts, if they were morphed, and not real clothes. This would indicate that the dress Abel ripped off Aary in #587 would have to be real. However, as one of the comics mentioned, Cubi do buy and wear real clothes. Hm... That being said, how can you tell if a Cubi is in morphed clothes or real ones?
/end crazy rant
-Robbie
2 ways.
1: look for a clan marking showing through their real clothes(may not work)
2: rip 'em off. If the cubi shouts "ow!" and kills you, they were morphed.
I think if you're going to wander around Furrae, you should probably just have some lawbook pages memorized and run them through your head occasionally to throw off any potential cubi. I choose the official Magic:The Gathering rulebook.(specifically, the portions on protection from attribute, flying, blocking, targeting, and trample.)
Quote from: Fuyudenki on April 29, 2007, 02:27:56 PM
2 ways.
1: look for a clan marking showing through their real clothes(may not work)
2: rip 'em off. If the cubi shouts "ow!" and kills you, they were morphed.
I think if you're going to wander around Furrae, you should probably just have some lawbook pages memorized and run them through your head occasionally to throw off any potential cubi. I choose the official Magic:The Gathering rulebook.(specifically, the portions on protection from attribute, flying, blocking, targeting, and trample.)
Is there a really important reason for that? (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=2380.msg97920#msg97920)
Quote from: RobbieThe1st on April 29, 2007, 07:34:26 AM
hm... it looks like what i said is atleast partially correct...
QuoteThe symbol can be covered by regular clothing, it wont shine through it or anything like that. As such it can be obscured by pants or a shirt or a scarf or whatever...unless the "clothing" is in fact a cuby-transfmorphing article.
Say a cubi has a marking on her arm like aaryanna. She can change her looks to anything she wants, but always on her left shoulder there will be a purple moon, even if she "morphs" a sleeve over it...it will appear as if its the shirt design. However if she was to put on a regular cotton shirt, it would cover over it.
(taken from Here (http://nice.llearch.net/dmfa_forum1871.htm#ref627))
That definitely seems to indicate that the morphed 'clothing' would infact be clothing parts, if they were morphed, and not real clothes. This would indicate that the dress Abel ripped off Aary in #587 would have to be real. However, as one of the comics mentioned, Cubi do buy and wear real clothes. Hm... That being said, how can you tell if a Cubi is in morphed clothes or real ones?
/end crazy rant
-Robbie
This is why 'cubi should be creative, make thier morph-clothing the same color as the marking, incorporate the marking into the pattern of the clothes, add to the marking so it isn't recognizable as such, whatever.
Quote from: Roureem Egas on April 29, 2007, 02:47:42 PM
Quote from: Fuyudenki on April 29, 2007, 02:27:56 PM
2 ways.
1: look for a clan marking showing through their real clothes(may not work)
2: rip 'em off. If the cubi shouts "ow!" and kills you, they were morphed.
I think if you're going to wander around Furrae, you should probably just have some lawbook pages memorized and run them through your head occasionally to throw off any potential cubi. I choose the official Magic:The Gathering rulebook.(specifically, the portions on protection from attribute, flying, blocking, targeting, and trample.)
Is there a really important reason for that? (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=2380.msg97920#msg97920)
two, actually.
1: it keeps me sharp on the MTG rules I use the most
2: the look on the bored-out-of-his-mind cubi's face was priceless.
Other than that, I just view it like locking your house when you leave. I doubt anyone's actually going to break in, and I don't have much that's of real value(plenty of sentimental value, but nothing worth stealing), but it's a good idea anyway, just in case, and thinking "When you cast a spell, it gets put on the stack until the stack resolves, at which point spells are removed from the stack and resolve individually..." occasionally isn't horribly obtrusive or rude, if you're just doing it to bore anyone out of interest.
Quote from: Reese Tora on April 29, 2007, 02:48:53 PM
Quote from: RobbieThe1st on April 29, 2007, 07:34:26 AM
hm... it looks like what i said is atleast partially correct...
QuoteThe symbol can be covered by regular clothing, it wont shine through it or anything like that. As such it can be obscured by pants or a shirt or a scarf or whatever...unless the "clothing" is in fact a cuby-transfmorphing article.
Say a cubi has a marking on her arm like aaryanna. She can change her looks to anything she wants, but always on her left shoulder there will be a purple moon, even if she "morphs" a sleeve over it...it will appear as if its the shirt design. However if she was to put on a regular cotton shirt, it would cover over it.
(taken from Here (http://nice.llearch.net/dmfa_forum1871.htm#ref627))
That definitely seems to indicate that the morphed 'clothing' would infact be clothing parts, if they were morphed, and not real clothes. This would indicate that the dress Abel ripped off Aary in #587 would have to be real. However, as one of the comics mentioned, Cubi do buy and wear real clothes. Hm... That being said, how can you tell if a Cubi is in morphed clothes or real ones?
/end crazy rant
-Robbie
This is why 'cubi should be creative, make thier morph-clothing the same color as the marking, incorporate the marking into the pattern of the clothes, add to the marking so it isn't recognizable as such, whatever.
Exactly.. If Aary had wanted to hide her clan marking she could have shifted her fur to the same shade of purple.. or given herself "Spots" of different shapes and sizes so that her clan marking didn't stand out so much.. Or she could have morphed a shirt with a purple moon pattern over it.. not hard to figure out ;)
Have any Cubi use their clan mark to a design in the clothing they morphed into. That will be a cool fashion statement. Or get killed by the opposing Cubi in the process. >:3
I wonder... if you made a round spot of the same color as your symbol on precisely the same spot, so, if the symbol is red, you have a bit larger red circle around it. That should make it impossible to see the actual shape of your symbol. However, would that work, or would there be some sort of normal outline around the symbol to prevent Cubi from doing just that?
*is probly not making much sense - im tired*
-Robbie
It makes sense, Robbie. In fact, it's something I've wondered about as well. On the other hand, Amber has said "It's magic" so I suspect there's some subtle way around it - eg, the mark itself will reverse colour patterns, or something, soas to make the attempt a failure.
I'm sure we can come up with all sorts of interesting ways of breaking the interesting ways we have of hiding the mark... :-]
(I do like the shirt pattern idea, though.)
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 01, 2007, 07:50:02 AM
(I do like the shirt pattern idea, though.)
So do I. It's given me some interesting ideas for my writings.
Purloined Letter type thing?
The problem I had with the idea was that, assuming we're talking "magical interference" type thing, what you're likely to find is that the -real- thing changes colour on you or something, so it stands out.
At which point you start getting into Hawaiian shirts and the like... Anyone for a rainbow of sigils all over the shirt? :-] (coming up with a way of breaking -that- thought is a bit tricky, though...) Or starting to think about making patterns out of patterns - using the Cubi clan mark as a "stamp" to make patterns on the shirt out of, Escher style... I'm thinking "Drawing Hands" or "Day & Night" or "Metamorphose I" or "Sky & Water I" sort of thing. (If you're lost, http://www.worldofescher.com/gallery/ may help)
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 01, 2007, 07:54:49 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 01, 2007, 07:50:02 AM
(I do like the shirt pattern idea, though.)
So do I. It's given me some interesting ideas for my writings.
yay! :woot I inspired someone. :D
Quote from: Reese Tora on May 01, 2007, 12:08:41 PM
yay! :woot I inspired someone. :D
Actually it was Shiningshadow's reinterpretation which set me thinking, but thanks anyway :3
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 01, 2007, 12:56:33 PM
Quote from: Reese Tora on May 01, 2007, 12:08:41 PM
yay! :woot I inspired someone. :D
Actually it was Shiningshadow's reinterpretation which set me thinking, but thanks anyway :3
um... yay, I indirectly inspired someone? :erk
That's fine my me; it still means that I must suspect everyone I see wearing a loud shirt of being a cubi now. ;)
Full plate armor wouldn't hamper someone getting on a horse. It weighed about 45 pounds, which is lighter than todays military gear. It was also distributed much better through the body. Knights could both run and jump in the armor, and modern re-enactments have shown that it is even possible to swim in the armor. And to clear up some more things that people keep messing up, longswords tended to weigh between 2 and 4.5 pounds in the grip, which is a lot lighter than people keep thinking they are.
Sorry, needed to get that out of my system. Am I the only one who is completely confused about how those tail thingies would work in the first place? I fail to understand how you attach those flap thingies together after you put the tail through.
you don't, you tuck them under. What confuses me is after you've gone to the trouble of finding a pair of pants with a hole the right size for your tail, why do you need to be able to close the hole?
.... so you don't have your donkey flapping about in the breeze?
Culturally speaking, that's generally considered a faux pas in most civilized areas...
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 01, 2007, 12:56:33 PM
Quote from: Reese Tora on May 01, 2007, 12:08:41 PM
yay! :woot I inspired someone. :D
Actually it was Shiningshadow's reinterpretation which set me thinking, but thanks anyway :3
I'm glad I inspired you in your writing of this idea TW and on the other matter of having a faux pas flapping in the breeze I have something to say about it
LET'S BE NAKED WOOT! >:3
Uh, weren't you warned about something earlier?
I don't think he's going to be replying to you for a day or three. Just a hunch.
Quote from: ShiningShadow on May 01, 2007, 03:40:57 PM
I'm glad I inspired you in your writing of this idea TW and on the other matter of having a faux pas flapping in the breeze I have something to say about it LET'S BE NAKED WOOT! >:3
Ah Okay but only if you want too, but remember this is a family friend zone....And SS, it is one thing to enjoy the Freedom, but it is another to force your "view" on others at the drop of a hat.
:mowhappy
PBH
Quote from: Kibin on May 01, 2007, 02:29:01 PM
Full plate armor wouldn't hamper someone getting on a horse. It weighed about 45 pounds, which is lighter than todays military gear. It was also distributed much better through the body. Knights could both run and jump in the armor, and modern re-enactments have shown that it is even possible to swim in the armor. And to clear up some more things that people keep messing up, longswords tended to weigh between 2 and 4.5 pounds in the grip, which is a lot lighter than people keep thinking they are.
Sorry, needed to get that out of my system. Am I the only one who is completely confused about how those tail thingies would work in the first place? I fail to understand how you attach those flap thingies together after you put the tail through.
are we talking modern materials here? 'cause 45 lbs is a minimum weight on the basis of armor made using tempered steel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plate_armour#Composition)
More common medieval armor would have been of thicker wrought iron or low grade steel, rather than relatively thin tempered steel. On the optehr hand, modern armor is often made of aluminum for it's low weight and cost. Furrae seems to ahve the technology for mass production of aluminum and titanium, and alloys thereof, so it would be reasonable to expect to see advernturers wearing it for less intelegent or magical enemies (no use against a cubi dragon or large gryphon, but good against other stuff.)
I want to know all about static electricity build up between fabrics and fur. Oh. And if fur is seen as a fashion statement. Yes...that'll do. All the precious fur. Seriously though, interesting stuff. It's nice when an artist steps back to think about the world they've created and the small details.
Quote from: rabid_fox on May 02, 2007, 03:41:17 PM
I want to know all about static electricity build up between fabrics and fur. Oh. And if fur is seen as a fashion statement. Yes...that'll do. All the precious fur. Seriously though, interesting stuff. It's nice when an artist steps back to think about the world they've created and the small details.
Ohhh... I bet it was bad when latex was in style. I can see it now.
(guy 2 bumps into and knocks down guy 1)
*snap*
guy 1.Ow!
guy 2.Oh sorry my bad...
*snap*
guy 1.ahhg!
guy 2.Ouch! sry here ill help you up...
*snap*
guy 1. STOP THAT!!
guy 2. I'm sorry sir im just-
*snap*
guy 1. GET BACK!!! GET AWAY FROM ME!!
*snap*
guy 1.AHHHGG ASSAULT ASSAULT!!! *runs away*
guy 2. ....damn these pants!!
Quote from: Fuyudenki on May 01, 2007, 02:40:24 PM
you don't, you tuck them under. What confuses me is after you've gone to the trouble of finding a pair of pants with a hole the right size for your tail, why do you need to be able to close the hole?
Because in a lot of cases, you can't just slip your tail through the hole. A rat could, yes, and probably a cat. A fox? A skunk? Lots of floofy fur on those tails - much easier to slip the opening over the base and close it over the top than to try to feed a large fluffy mass of fur through a hole small enough to be snug on the actual flesh-and-bone part of the tail.
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Skydancer
You ever try petting a cat backwards? They don't like it.
Now try threading a cat tail through a small hole, against the fur. It would be unpleasant for the cat to have to do that every time they put on pants.
Could someone do a drawing of that? A cat threading their tail through a hole for pants.