top six ways to kill piper

[GabrielsThoughts]

http://www.theolympian.com/southsound/story/859352.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3YAGDLwm56s

I don't want to know how a game/ movie filed with stick figures made it's way into the news and I don't care... but I agree that it was wrong of the Students to make a game/movie dedicated to the death of a fellow classmate. haven't they passed any cyberbullying laws yet?

[Netrogo]

They don't need cyberbullying laws, they need people to grow up and learn to differentiate. I sincerely doubt someone who actually plans to kill someone else, regardless of age, is going to post a video about wanting to do it on youtube set to music. The little attention whores were probably trying to get a rise out of Piper and got it in spades.

Kids just need to be taught to ignore the freaking internet. Honestly what're they going to do if these cyberbullying laws pass? Gonna try to hunt down every person on 4chan that tells someone to kill themselves? Oooh we can go after all those mean people who submit to the Darwin Awards, that's another form of bullying. Making fun of the people who get themselves killed stupidly hurts the feelings of all those family members who're left behind. Y'know those ones that try to say the person WASN'T an idiot.

The only form of bullying online that needs to be dealt with is the kind that spills over into real life, and by the time it does that it's already well within existing laws to deal with it. Making cyberbullying laws will be a pointless gesture because then they'll have to differentiate between which acts of bullying are going to spill over into real life and therefor matter, and which are going to stay on the internet where they belong like 4chan.

[Faerie Alex]

Net, my favorite cyberbullying law (or maybe it was anit-internet porn, or something) law was one that a small state (Maryland, maybe) wanted to pass. It wouldn't have been extraditable to any server outside that state. Which is a problem with any such law. If, say, this country does pass some cyberbullying law, it could get rather legally confusing if the server is hosted in another country.

But I digress.

I think no one was 100% here. The girls who wrote that shouldn't have, and since they did, seeking some sort of help for them isn't the worst idea. I won't defend them at all, let me make that clear. At the same time, I somehow doubt that they had any operational plans to kill Piper. I think someone should've recognized that. Her parents, first off. Report them to the school, sure. But why is this suddenly a national news media issue? And why, WHY did the media decide that it was? I've seen more explicit graffiti in my school's bathroom than that. But the media sure isn't swarming all around there.

[Netrogo]

Exactly. I'm not denying that the little brats needed to be punished. I just seriously don't think that this is an example of the necessity for 'cyberbullying' laws.

Also gratz on your 1k post Modelin

[superluser]

They don't need cyberbullying laws, they need people to grow up and learn to differentiate. I sincerely doubt someone who actually plans to kill someone else, regardless of age, is going to post a video about wanting to do it on youtube set to music. The little attention whores were probably trying to get a rise out of Piper and got it in spades.

Kids just need to be taught to ignore the freaking internet. Honestly what're they going to do if these cyberbullying laws pass? Gonna try to hunt down every person on 4chan that tells someone to kill themselves? Oooh we can go after all those mean people who submit to the Darwin Awards, that's another form of bullying. Making fun of the people who get themselves killed stupidly hurts the feelings of all those family members who're left behind. Y'know those ones that try to say the person WASN'T an idiot.

The only form of bullying online that needs to be dealt with is the kind that spills over into real life, and by the time it does that it's already well within existing laws to deal with it. Making cyberbullying laws will be a pointless gesture because then they'll have to differentiate between which acts of bullying are going to spill over into real life and therefor matter, and which are going to stay on the internet where they belong like 4chan.

I hate to disagree, but I do.

I see no reason why death threats made online should be different than death threats made in meatspace.  If you want to argue that laws outlawing death threats shouldn't exist, I'd be very interested in hearing that argument--I used to support that position, but as I've gotten older, I'm not so sure anymore.  But if it's illegal to threaten to kill someone offline, I see no reason why simply placing the same statement online should have any bearing on its legality.

[Netrogo]

The problem is that there are no 'world' law enforcement agencies. And the internet is not a country, it's global. If someone from a country that isn't canada tries to force their laws on me I'm gonna tell them to fuck themselves. i agree that death treats are wrong, but they don't need some retarded special law for cyber ones.

I am not against punishing people for doing stuff that's seriously wrong, i'm against trying to put some kind of law into the internet. Anytime one of these things happens that can actually be dealt with it's kids who go to the same school, where the real life laws can be used just fine.

Cyberbullying laws are the only thing I find to be retarded about this.

Look at it this way. I live in Canada, I'm gonna guess atleast one person in this thread does NOT live in Canada. Now I'm going to make a whole bunch of death threats and other slander against that person. Which country's laws am i to be punished under? For that matter which country's courts do you think will listen when told that someone who lives in another country is harassing them.

Unless the threat shows up in your real life it can be dealt with simply online. It's called block, ban, ignore, and any other freaking button they have out there. The number of ways to NOT have to put up with people online nowadays is ludicrous. People figure them out, problem solved.

And you can't tell me that we should take every single minor threat online seriously. If that were the case I'd have a list a mile long of people that have either threatened to kill me, or said I should do it myself, on 4chan alone.

[superluser]

i agree that death treats are wrong, but they don't need some retarded special law for cyber ones.

Well stated.

[Feroluce]

Net linked me in for a laugh, and I had to reply to this one. Its been how long since I posted here? >.> really?

I do have to agree with him. Cyberspace is largely ungovernable by normal authorities, if only because of
a) The logistical and privacy issues of tracking, tracing, and bringing to justice someone who posts anonomysly and knows half decently how to hide their internet signitures.
b) the fact that said person may be in an entirely different country who refuses to hand them over for what amounts to written threats of violence or harassment.

Im not saying harassment is right or okay, but just as its easy to cuss and swear and threaten over the net, its easy to click an ignore button and get away from it.

Or, if you are of a mind to, to respond in kind and threaten to burn down their house. because yes, Im going to find your street address after weeks of cyber-sifting, buy a ticket, get on a plane to cross the pacific ocean into canada, buy a can of petrol, sneak up to your house and burn it down, at total cost of 5 thousand dollars, with months of preperation and days of travel time, just because you told me I smell like poo on the internets. And then I get to try and fly home again with singed hair and a suspicious fire behind me.

lets stop for a second... anyone that obsessive and angry would find themselves in prison or a mental institution before they could ever buy a ticket, simply because they burned down someone closer to home for telling them they smell like poo.

Most cyber threats can be ignored, and cant be carried out. The ones that cannot be ignored, and can be carried out, happen in existing meatspace as much as the internet, where existing laws can function to regulate and punish this behaviour.

To summarize my position, Cyber laws are what amounts to a placating promise to a vocal, internet ignorant population (which sadly is not really a minority) to do something effectively impossible in trying to control something that cannot be controlled at the level they are suggesting. And the media, like the carrion vultures they are, stir the pot whenever they find a stick big enough.

[Brownie]

I sincerely doubt someone who actually plans to kill someone else, regardless of age, is going to post a video about wanting to do it on youtube set to music.

I agree with this statement made by Netrogo.
THe only thing wrong with this is that they're Year 6.
I mean, come on! Though...It's not the weirdest thing I've heard. Anyone remember those little kids who planned to kill their teacher? And almost succeeded...
Oh well. These kids should learn that if you hate someone, you should try and work it out with them. Try to talk to the other person but if that doesn't work, try talking to someone in authority.

[Destina Faroda]

I know this would come as a surprise to anyone who knows my history, but quite frankly, there do not needs to be any more laws against material on the Internet (provided there is no profit), including stuff such as this.  As amateurish as this was, heck, it would have been better for everyone involved if this video had died an ignoble death of obscurity.

Personally, I think any existing policies regarding speech or anything displayed on the Internet needs to be deactivated, even when they conflict with existing laws.  It's just the Internet, for goodness sakes.  Just let the people be.

Don't get me wrong.  I think cyberbullying is detestable (although I fail to see how this incident was newsworthy), but the solution isn't to restrict it, but to allow the individual to retaliate in a fashion proportional to the collective misdeeds of others...or not at all if that person chooses.  Anyone who makes a death threat is only making himself or herself look bad.  Why not just help that person along in becoming infamous for his or her misdeeds?

[AngelSephy]

I think they're over-reacting. The sad part is that you can't even do a joke without someone getting pissed over it. But to suggest the extreme of internet cyber-bully laws? That is utterly ridiculous! If you can't take the internet, then log off and go outside.

[Sunblink]

Personally, I'm glad those horrible brats were punished. You don't do shit like that without expecting ramifications.

I have very little tolerance for bullies.