03/30/09 [DMFA #989] - Healing the Uncle

[Hellcat]

Ah Regina, you are now a favorite, being able to pull off the one word speech

*lol this topic was started three times

[Tsunari]

Seems that Regina would be hard to understand in normal conversations.  Wonder if she is aware of punctuation.

[Corgatha Taldorthar]

It seems like Healing abilities are reasonably common amongst Demons, at least on a basic level.


Seems like whatever spell DP used to 'port out, took a lot out of him he seemed pretty steady back at Kria's. I do wonder where they are. Somewhere that Regina isn't familiar with, which would indicate out of Kria's manor. Probably back at wherever he was when Dan faced him down back in the early hundreds.



Edit. Agh. 16 seconds too short. Shorter intro post next time. Get it in later.

[Madmann135]

And surprising enough you were the first by a few seconds.

It is interesting how Aliph passed out after teleporting himself and Regina away from the fray.  Dan did more damage than we originally thought.

[Michael Chandra]

HAH! Told ya it would have been a double knockdown!

[Madmann135]

HAH! Told ya it would have been a double knockdown!

A double KO is better than a Dan DOA.

[VSMIT]

I like how she thinks that Dan attacked because he's an adventurer and not because he already has a grudge.

[Hellcat]

Here's a thought.... suppose Dan dies... would he just get resurrected?

Happens all the time when I roleplay on Furc

[VSMIT]

I doubt it.  He hasn't gone through all of the stuff that Aliph did to become "immortal."  I'd think that that would be an important part of it.

[LoneHowler]

Here's a thought.... suppose Dan dies... would he just get resurrected?

Happens all the time when I roleplay on Furc

It's already been done the last time he went up against DP

[Jairus]

Heheheh, seems Dan gave about as good as he got. Go Dan. Also, panicking Regina is funny.

Here's a thought.... suppose Dan dies... would he just get resurrected?

Happens all the time when I roleplay on Furc

It's already been done the last time he went up against DP

Was that really a resurrection so much as it was a near death experience/revival?

[Hellcat]

It's already been done the last time he went up against DP

Technically that was just massive healing by a shaman

[VSMIT]

Hitting Azlan over the head is considered "massive healing?"

[senrath]

Hitting Azlan over the head is considered "massive healing?"

Considering what happened, yes, yes it is.

[jeffh4]

Heheheh, seems Dan gave about as good as he got.

Mmmmmaybe not.  It's likely that DP's health/power level is very low after being resurrected. That's how resurrection works in most fiction and games--you ressurect, then you have to rest and heal.  You noticed how he didn't throw any spells during the encounter with Dan? And how he started out dialoging Dan instead of attacking while Dan was stunned?  He should have just cast his disintegration spell at sans-majic-protection-garments Dan in mid-dialog if he wanted an assured victory.  Why didn't he? He couldn't.

While it's feasible that DP succumbed to shock just a few seconds after he teleported, it's more likely that ate up the last of his reserves. 

Also, this points out that DP took Regina along not out of a need to keep her safe, or gratitude for resurrecting him, but because he needed her to heal him in a safe place.  He might yet decide to sacrifice her at a moment's whim! (The fiend!)

[Darkdragon]

Hmm, dark and dingy. The cobweb is a nice touch - if this was the same place where Dan stormed last time the spiders sure do move pretty fast; if I remember correctly time canon hasn't passed more than a few week, or a few months at best.

Regina knows healing magic. Either its a commonly taught magic or she specialized in it.

[Ren Gaulen]

Hmm, dark and dingy. The cobweb is a nice touch - if this was the same place where Dan stormed last time the spiders sure do move pretty fast; if I remember correctly time canon hasn't passed more than a few week, or a few months at best.

Oh, spiders can be pretty fast at making those.. Especially huge spiders.. That like to quote Shakespeare.

Regina knows healing magic. Either its a commonly taught magic or she specialized in it.

I think it would be a commonly taught magic. It is handy to know some sort of a simple healing spell, after all.

[Tapewolf]

Hmm, dark and dingy. The cobweb is a nice touch - if this was the same place where Dan stormed last time the spiders sure do move pretty fast; if I remember correctly time canon hasn't passed more than a few week, or a few months at best.

Amber has said that the whole comic fits in about 6 months ("Get me to the church" was the currently running arc at the time).

While it's feasible that DP succumbed to shock just a few seconds after he teleported, it's more likely that ate up the last of his reserves.

Either way, it makes his eloquent speeches all the more impressive.

Also, this points out that DP took Regina along not out of a need to keep her safe, or gratitude for resurrecting him, but because he needed her to heal him in a safe place.  He might yet decide to sacrifice her at a moment's whim! (The fiend!)

I was going to say something like this but you beat me to it.
As for 'multitrack mind' I'm thinking more 'simple mind'.  She just doesn't seem to grasp that most of this is her fault.  If she hadn't hit him with the tray, Dan might have retained enough presence of mind to finish negotiations as a priority.
And while Dan may be vicious, he has a good reason for it - protecting himself and other people.  We've yet to hear her reasons for killing a bunch of people, but I'm thinking it's to try and improve status.  But I digress.  Either way she isn't the sort of person I'd want to rely on to heal me up when she seems to be so worried about leaving the ice-cream out.  If Devin's going to be mad at anything, it's going to be all the blood in the carpet.

[icarus]

i think healing magic is in all likelyhood 'standard knowledge'. scratch my prior theory about the hippies.

maybe in Demon School (as kria apparently did attend something akin to it, as seen here) basic healing magic is part of the course. Beings learn math and writing...Creatures learn basic first aid magic.

it'd seem pretty logical, especially with adventuring being a valid business.

[John Roh]

Hitting Azlan over the head is considered "massive healing?"

Considering what happened, yes, yes it is.

thats got me thinking what feelings is it that cubi dan can absorb for energy again? and could bashing azlan over the head produce those feelings somehow? that could explain why it helped dan maybe.

[Tapewolf]

maybe in Demon School (as kria apparently did attend something akin to it, as seen here) basic healing magic is part of the course. Beings learn math and writing...Creatures learn basic first aid magic.
it'd seem pretty logical, especially with adventuring being a valid business.

Maybe not quite so clear-cut.  There are spells that Beings can cast (adventuring parties usually have a mage and all) and given how useful a healing spell is, it's a fair bet that Beings are at least offered the option of learning some basic magic.

thats got me thinking what feelings is it that cubi dan can absorb for energy again? and could bashing azlan over the head produce those feelings somehow? that could explain why it helped dan maybe.

Dan does good with pain.  It has been suggested that the healing then consisted of giving him enough energy to regenerate his critical wounds.  In the present situation that might be what's keeping him alive.

[John Roh]

Dan does good with pain.  It has been suggested that the healing then consisted of giving him enough energy to regenerate his critical wounds.  In the present situation that might be what's keeping him alive.

the only one in the room who was feeling pain just teleported away ... good thing he was getting healed by then.

[Tapewolf]

the only one in the room who was feeling pain just teleported away ... good thing he was getting healed by then.

Depends if Dan is able to absorb his own pain.

[John Roh]

the only one in the room who was feeling pain just teleported away ... good thing he was getting healed by then.

Depends if Dan is able to absorb his own pain.

true but how effective would that actually be? he might be able to use that to get back some of the strength he was losing. I doubt its 100% efficient especially in his condition not to mention he isnt trained.

this also assumes that absorbing energy like that is akin to rapidly healing and not just topping off stamina. although considering he was healed by azlans pain it seems to fit.

either way it doesnt seem to be enough on its own to deal with a punctured lung.

actually come to think of it the pain thing helps to explain how dan was (apparently) able to get roughly up to d.p's level relativly quickly. all dan would need to do is drag himself up to a level where he can start to cause d.p. pain. that right there would give dan a boost durring the fight. (he might not even have been absorbing energy like that durring the first fight too young?)

[icarus]

maybe in Demon School (as kria apparently did attend something akin to it, as seen here) basic healing magic is part of the course. Beings learn math and writing...Creatures learn basic first aid magic.
it'd seem pretty logical, especially with adventuring being a valid business.

Maybe not quite so clear-cut.  There are spells that Beings can cast (adventuring parties usually have a mage and all) and given how useful a healing spell is, it's a fair bet that Beings are at least offered the option of learning some basic magic.

ah, true that. my bad. kria's rant about jy being powerless was fairly fresh in my mind is all.

either way, learning healing magic just seems like a no-brainer, especially if you're of a species that's regularly targetted by Buff Drinklots and his horde of monster-slaying buddies.

i think the problem with people being shocked at demons knowing healing magic here is the old videogame stereotype of "magic types." white mages and all that junk. but i think in furrae it's much more like 'one may have an apptitude for a certain kind of magic, but that doesn't mean they're in the lurch as far as other types go'

[Tapewolf]

i think the problem with people being shocked at demons knowing healing magic here is the old videogame stereotype of "magic types." white mages and all that junk. but i think in furrae it's much more like 'one may have an apptitude for a certain kind of magic, but that doesn't mean they're in the lurch as far as other types go'

Yeah, I'm not at all surprised myself.  Demons are magical, magical healing is dead useful.

While Demons do seem to have an aptitude for 'dark magic' as opposed to 'light magic' it has never been explained what these are, or actually come up in the story at all, come to that.  Either way, I'd be surprised if they couldn't use the other type - Angels, Demons and 'Cubi are all capable of soul-manipulation so there is evidently a certain amount of cross-compatibility.

[Kenway975]

You noticed how he didn't throw any spells during the encounter with Dan? And how he started out dialoging Dan instead of attacking while Dan was stunned?  He should have just cast his disintegration spell at sans-majic-protection-garments Dan in mid-dialog if he wanted an assured victory.  Why didn't he? He couldn't.

Another possibility is that DP did not realize that Dan's robe is what allowed him to survive the magical blast back then. Otherwise why did DP go with fighting Dan tooth and claw (in DP's case) in Chapter 9. If he did know, then why didn't he just magic blast Dan in the chest right after Dan's dramatic pose? What's the point of using a magical blast when you don't think it's worth the expenditure of energy? Also, if he "couldn't' then why was he able to teleport both himself and Regina? In most games I've seen, teleporting takes more effort than a simple magical blast. While it's not always the case, usually in those cases teleporting also has a much more limited usage. For example, FF1 teleport only costs 5 MP, but takes you to the previous level of the dungeon you are in. Exit costs 25 MP and takes you completely out of the dungeon. The most powerful versions of ice, fire, and thunder cost 18, 30, and 35 MP respectively. And because DP's teleport took him to one of his lairs, using FF1 logic, it probably would have taken many more MP than "Exit", probably even higher than Thundaga.

As for the "Light-magic" and "Dark-magic" topic... I'm not sure how much of magic is at base segregated, and how much of it is based on effects and a typical demon's mind set. As mentioned, demon culture is based around power. And because of the ability to make their skin turn "hard as diamonds", they don't need much in terms of protective spells. Thus it turns them more towards offensive spells. And at the same time, and race that has a tendency for violence would need to know how to use healing spells, otherwise there probably be a lot fewer demons. However, the spell groupings (base on effects) will always be put into "light magic" and "dark magic" groupings by the ignorant masses (or not so ignorant masses if it turns out there is actually a difference in the energies that create magic). However, I'm standing behind my belief that (to continue using FF1 as a base) all magic is based on the universal constant of MP, and the classes black mage, white mage, and red mage are all just categories created by their magical focus of studies, not power source.

... and sorry for being so wordy

[Tapewolf]

As for the "Light-magic" and "Dark-magic" topic... I'm not sure how much of magic is at base segregated, and how much of it is based on effects and a typical demon's mind set.

It's not all in the mind.  Angels and Demons are oriented around different types of magic, as documented in the Demonology.  What this actually means is unclear, though.

[icarus]

plus, i'm sure there's many demons who will argue that the best offense is a good defense. kria certainly seems to think so, in the way she was booby-trapping her house.

i think that most demons probably also realize that overspecialisation leads to glaring weaknesses. focus only on attack magic and leave your physical form frail and you've left yourself open (DP obviously is aware of this). focus only on hurling violent spells and slashing your enemy up, and you leave yourself prettymuch screwed for when your enemy gets lucky and lands a hit.

it's the same mechanics in all fighting. chances are if you focus only on the attack, you're going to leave yourself wide open and get your butt kicked.

as was illustrated over the last few pages by dan's ragefit. healing magic for demons, i think, would be perceived as an ASPECT of power (you still hold someone's life in your hands) and not a sign of weakness.

[jeffh4]

While it's feasible that DP succumbed to shock just a few seconds after he teleported, it's more likely that ate up the last of his reserves.

Either way, it makes his eloquent speeches all the more impressive.

Well, your the one voicing DP in the radio show, so you've just set yourself a ridiculously high standard.  Start practicing!