Sounds good to me. :mowwink
Whoot we get to see Dan flying, he's used his winds in the past to controll a fall, but I don't think we have seen outright flying before
Excellent advice indeed. And the Fa'Lina comparison becomes a bit stronger: both Fa'Lina and Cyra seem to be a bit... wonky, if you will.
Now, which allies is Cyra talking about? Gods, that sounds like terrible grammar, but "which allies are Cyra talking about" sounds just as bad.
Here's hoping felines have better luck than mustelids (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_263.php)...
Quote from: Jairus on May 18, 2009, 01:24:33 AM
Excellent advice indeed. And the Fa'Lina comparison becomes a bit stronger: both Fa'Lina and Cyra seem to be a bit... wonky, if you will.
Now, which allies is Cyra talking about? Gods, that sounds like terrible grammar, but "which allies are Cyra talking about" sounds just as bad.
Perhaps
"I wonder what Cyra's allies are, to whom she refers."
Ghaaa even that sounds bad
Quote from: LoneHowler on May 18, 2009, 01:34:27 AM
Quote from: Jairus on May 18, 2009, 01:24:33 AM
Excellent advice indeed. And the Fa'Lina comparison becomes a bit stronger: both Fa'Lina and Cyra seem to be a bit... wonky, if you will.
Now, which allies is Cyra talking about? Gods, that sounds like terrible grammar, but "which allies are Cyra talking about" sounds just as bad.
Perhaps
"I wonder what Cyra's allies are, to whom she refers."
Ghaaa even that sounds bad
I considered "which ally is Cyra talking about," but since she said "allies" I wanted to keep the plural.
Well I'd have to say Mab is one, also if Dan has trouble following the don't die advice does that mean he has been dead before?
Quote from: Tsunari on May 18, 2009, 01:40:15 AM
Well I'd have to say Mab is one, also if Dan has trouble following the don't die advice does that mean he has been dead before?
At least once before. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_157.php)
Then there's the other one I can't be bothered to find where he is a ghost...And annoys everyone with it.
It's either that or I've been sleeping during class again.
Quote from: Brownie on May 18, 2009, 01:57:47 AM
Then there's the other one I can't be bothered to find where he is a ghost...And annoys everyone with it.
It's either that or I've been sleeping during class again.
Yeah, but that arc technically isn't canon, due to the interventions of one fluffy fuzzball. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_189.php)
Well... I suppose Mab and Azlan could contact Cyra if they felt like it. Perhaps Abel knows how to contact her?
Anyone else somewhat sort of surprised by the fact that his grandmother is a great and powerful succubus and he's not freaking out about it?
Best advice one can get!
Though, as far as who can help him? Lets assume a clan founder has some reach of knowledge. There is an entire school of cubies he can go to with teachers which of course includes Fa'lina. There is Abel who was sent to aid and help Dan to think of the first off the top of my head that doesn't include some other one that just eludes me.
Though, I have to wonder, in a world of magic where it's practiced at a regular basis and obscenely powerful creatures wonder around, how many times is Dan going to be bewildered? Course maybe that's just Dan!
Also, clan elders being a little wonky? Well, millenia leaves you with a unique perspective. You've seen and possibly done most things there are to do in the world. At a certain point, a lot of problems just don't seem as bad anymore if you look at them in a grander time scale. Rainey day today? Well you have thousands more to find that are not.
Quote from: Brownie on May 18, 2009, 01:57:47 AM
Then there's the other one I can't be bothered to find where he is a ghost...And annoys everyone with it.
It's either that or I've been sleeping during class again.
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_175.php even stepped on by a dragon who knew that a comedic irony strip would have foreshadowing to the cubi dragon war currently being discussed in recent strips
Who knows how he could get into touch with her?
Fa'Lina, without a doubt.
Abel, maybe. If what Cyra does is common, they will have taught it in SAIA and he would have learned, even if his own clan founder is dead.
Mab, probably.
And then there are the Basement Rats of course. They know how to get everywhere.
I wonder who Cyra's allies are.
Less is more.
Quote from: LigerJet on May 18, 2009, 02:30:54 AM
Anyone else somewhat sort of surprised by the fact that his grandmother is a great and powerful succubus and he's not freaking out about it?
Yeah, I was thinking the same... Dan seems to be taking the whole deal rather casual
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Quote from: LigerJet on May 18, 2009, 02:30:54 AM
Anyone else somewhat sort of surprised by the fact that his grandmother is a great and powerful succubus and he's not freaking out about it?
Yeah, I was thinking the same... Dan seems to be taking the whole deal rather casual
This may be a special dream, but it is still a dream.
Emotions are always strange in dreams.
Now, when he wakes up...
Quote from: Dard on May 18, 2009, 05:48:05 AM
Now, when he wakes up...
If Fi is still the size it was before, he might not be sure he's woken up.
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Quote from: Lowde on May 18, 2009, 04:56:33 AM
Quote from: LigerJet on May 18, 2009, 02:30:54 AM
Anyone else somewhat sort of surprised by the fact that his grandmother is a great and powerful succubus and he's not freaking out about it?
Yeah, I was thinking the same... Dan seems to be taking the whole deal rather casual
This may be a special dream, but it is still a dream.
Emotions are always strange in dreams.
Now, when he wakes up...
I think her laid back attitude might have helped put him at ease. And she is also family, so he would trust her a bit more than a different total stranger.
Am I the only one who is reminded of the fairy from the Zelda games by the second to last panel?
Could Cyra be in the Fae kingdom? The disks do look similar.
As far as advice, it might be that Cyra realizes that reasonable advice might only get Dan angry, and therefore reduce his chances of survival.
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Quote from: Dard on May 18, 2009, 05:48:05 AM
Quote from: Lowde on May 18, 2009, 04:56:33 AM
Quote from: LigerJet on May 18, 2009, 02:30:54 AM
Anyone else somewhat sort of surprised by the fact that his grandmother is a great and powerful succubus and he's not freaking out about it?
Yeah, I was thinking the same... Dan seems to be taking the whole deal rather casual
This may be a special dream, but it is still a dream.
Emotions are always strange in dreams.
Now, when he wakes up...
I think her laid back attitude might have helped put him at ease. And she is also family, so he would trust her a bit more than a different total stranger.
Am I the only one who is reminded of the fairy from the Zelda games by the second to last panel?
"Hey! Listen, Grandma!"
I'm still getting the vibe that Cyra disapproves of Dan's actions, but is determined not to interfere overmuch with his life.
Which should lead to an amusing confrontation if/when she catches up to Destania......
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on May 18, 2009, 08:59:55 AM
I'm still getting the vibe that Cyra disapproves of Dan's actions, but is determined not to interfere overmuch with his life.
Do you have an example? I'd be interested to know where you're coming from there.
The best advice is often the simplest advice.
I really hope Dan figures out how to contact her again. Maybe even learning how to contact her could be quite hilarious.. especially if Abel is involved.
"Dan has a bad track record of following that advice." Yup, but the third time might be the charm. =)
Also, the rant is a lie! :U
(I really adore those wings, love the two-colour thing. And I'd still kill for that kind of hair.
*Charles thinks about removing that tempting blue gauzy material from around Cyra's waist... cuz he is a furvert* :B
Quote from: LoneHowler on May 18, 2009, 01:19:18 AM
Whoot we get to see Dan flying, he's used his winds in the past to controll a fall, but I don't think we have seen outright flying before
I dunno about that, dude; looks like he's in a bubble to me. :)
Ah, Kino's ultimate advice for a traveler. I wonder how many people here have even seen Kino's Journey...
Anyway, Cyra seems nice, although we haven't seen that much of her yet. Hope we can get back to her soon.
Don't die. Breath frequently. Bathe occassionally. Blink from time to time. Etc, for those tid bits of conversation ending advice when you can't think of anything actually useful to say.
Well, guessing from Dan's responses I'd think he might reconsider starting to like being a cubi and he might actually start to learn.
One of the things that might have actually scared Dan, into not wanting to be a cubi, was Aaryanna's constant pressure and attitude. If you compare Aaryanna's and Cyra's attitude you will find out that they have almost opposite attitudes, so it is possible that rhis was the key to unlocking Dan's listening and thinking brain cells from the small room in Dan's head.
Quote from: Ganurath on May 18, 2009, 04:17:44 AM
I wonder who Cyra's allies are.
Less is more.
I don't think she was referring to her own allies. Her comment is that Dan has allies that would know how to help him contact her. Most likely that refers to Abel, Fa'lina or even Destania. Mab and Fi might also be of some use for that as they assuredly know more about cubi stuff in general than Dan currently does.
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Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on May 18, 2009, 08:59:55 AM
I'm still getting the vibe that Cyra disapproves of Dan's actions, but is determined not to interfere overmuch with his life.
Do you have an example? I'd be interested to know where you're coming from there.
I don't have an example per se, I'm working on the assumption that 'Cubi body language and facial expressions work in similar ways to human ones. In 1001, Cyra's expression is cool, relaxed. She's leaning forward, almost lounging on her belly, her eyes somewhat lidded, but intent.
Now cut to 1003. Cyra has sat up, her eyes are wide open, mouth is a small circle, leaning slightly away from Dan. I'd call that surprised, perhaps picking up that Dan doesn't really want to talk. Why that surprises her is unclear, perhaps implying she does not know much about Dan. On the third panel, when she mentions that "anything under a decade" is soon, look at her face again. Twisted smile, eyes screwed up. She's turned her head slightly to the side. My take is that she's fighting back an urge to weep, and while she's saying "anything under a decade is fine" she wants it much sooner. She is a grandmother after all :p
Lastly, the "don't die" remark at the end......... Dying has an immediacy to it that the rest of the conversation doesn't (at least on the surface) ring with. Like I said, it's a vibe, not a theory I can prove.
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on May 18, 2009, 11:34:56 AM
I don't have an example per se, I'm working on the assumption that 'Cubi body language and facial expressions work in similar ways to human ones. In 1001, Cyra's expression is cool, relaxed. She's leaning forward, almost lounging on her belly, her eyes somewhat lidded, but intent.
Could be. I'm assuming she was slightly amused by Dan's remark.
QuoteNow cut to 1003. Cyra has sat up, her eyes are wide open, mouth is a small circle, leaning slightly away from Dan. I'd call that surprised, perhaps picking up that Dan doesn't really want to talk. Why that surprises her is unclear, perhaps implying she does not know much about Dan.
Alternatively, she has just seen Dan's thoughts. The reasons he's under stress have already been covered, so she may well have got a condensed version of that.
QuoteLastly, the "don't die" remark at the end......... Dying has an immediacy to it that the rest of the conversation doesn't (at least on the surface) ring with. Like I said, it's a vibe, not a theory I can prove.
Yeah, that is the weird one. Though we might be able to write that one off as the punchline.
Quote from: Aganerral on May 18, 2009, 11:34:19 AM
Most likely that refers to Abel, Fa'lina or even Destania.
Dee doesn't really make a great ally at this juncture, though. Being unable or unwilling to talk to Dan and all.
My money's on Fa'Lina and Abel, though most of the ones you've listed are sensible.
Don't forget Mab.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 18, 2009, 11:43:33 AM
Dee doesn't really make a great ally at this juncture, though. Being unable or unwilling to talk to Dan and all.
My money's on Fa'Lina and Abel, though most of the ones you've listed are sensible.
Agreed, I don't see Dee as suddenly showing up as herself to talk to Dan. But I could see Dan heading back to the twink territories and having another meeting with 'Biggstania' and she might drop a few hints/advice in that form.
Or maybe Cyra occasionally shows up to the evil beach party and Dan's new friend Kria can put them in touch :)
You know I just thought of something... Dan is said to have a few screws loose when it comes to common sense and certain levels of sanity but with the second panel Dan showed wisdom.
He asked an elder (despite the fact she looks old enough to be his big sister) for any advice she had to offer though he was given some of the best advice, he unfortunately already lives by the advice she gave.
Quote from: Madmann135 on May 18, 2009, 12:01:45 PMthough he was given some of the best advice, he unfortunately already lives by the advice she gave.
Are you sure we're talking about the same Dan? :B
Quote from: Aganerral on May 18, 2009, 11:34:19 AM
Quote from: Ganurath on May 18, 2009, 04:17:44 AM
I wonder who Cyra's allies are.
Less is more.
I don't think she was referring to her own allies. Her comment is that Dan has allies that would know how to help him contact her. Most likely that refers to Abel, Fa'lina or even Destania. Mab and Fi might also be of some use for that as they assuredly know more about cubi stuff in general than Dan currently does.
Yeah, that's a good point. On the other hand, I don't think Cyra's enemies would want her corrupting an ally of theirs such as Dan.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 18, 2009, 09:02:30 AM
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on May 18, 2009, 08:59:55 AM
I'm still getting the vibe that Cyra disapproves of Dan's actions, but is determined not to interfere overmuch with his life.
Do you have an example? I'd be interested to know where you're coming from there.
If you look at the wall of text on 1002 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1002.php) contain the words destruction and unwise in close proximity to each other near the bottom. Of course, it's hard to figure out the words in between. She might also be implying that since cubi can live for thousands of years, he should take a more long range plan for revenge and retribution rather than rushing in so fast. Perhaps not dying is a more reasonable short term goal, since dying makes execution of the long range plans impossible.
Quote from: Naldru on May 18, 2009, 01:49:13 PM
If you look at the wall of text on 1002 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1002.php) contain the words destruction and unwise in close proximity to each other near the bottom.
It wondered if it was a potted history of the clan's misfortunes or something, if she has only two direct descendants. Or something to do with Destania.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 18, 2009, 01:54:41 PM
Quote from: Naldru on May 18, 2009, 01:49:13 PM
If you look at the wall of text on 1002 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1002.php) contain the words destruction and unwise in close proximity to each other near the bottom.
It wondered if it was a potted history of the clan's misfortunes or something, if she has only two direct descendants. Or something to do with Destania.
My take of the partial is that she didn't want to appear in person and meet Dan in physical form since it would lead to bad things happening.
Quote from: CyraDon't Die.
I endorse this message.
EDIT: hrm... and ironically enough, just now noticed that apparently I've been changed from "telemarketer" to "skeleton"
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 18, 2009, 01:54:41 PM
Quote from: Naldru on May 18, 2009, 01:49:13 PM
If you look at the wall of text on 1002 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1002.php) contain the words destruction and unwise in close proximity to each other near the bottom.
It wondered if it was a potted history of the clan's misfortunes or something, if she has only two direct descendants. Or something to do with Destania.
I wonder if Amber might be willing to provide a copy of that last panel with Dan wearing the Mow patch. I just want to see how it'd look now that Amber's artisitic style has fleshed out some, and it has nothing to do with shrinking Dan so he doesn't block the text.
Quote from: Aganerral on May 18, 2009, 01:57:17 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 18, 2009, 01:54:41 PM
Quote from: Naldru on May 18, 2009, 01:49:13 PM
If you look at the wall of text on 1002 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1002.php) contain the words destruction and unwise in close proximity to each other near the bottom.
It wondered if it was a potted history of the clan's misfortunes or something, if she has only two direct descendants. Or something to do with Destania.
My take of the partial is that she didn't want to appear in person and meet Dan in physical form since it would lead to bad things happening.
Probably similar to Destania's reasons (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_712.php)
Alexsi: "... I do think it would be a lot easier if you were back home to help him..."
Dee: "I wish...But my return would only cause disaster..."
I surmise that either Destania's or Cyra's appearance at Lost Lake would quickly bring down an attack directed, if not executed, by one or more dragons.
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Quote from: Aganerral on May 18, 2009, 01:57:17 PM
My take of the partial is that she didn't want to appear in person and meet Dan in physical form since it would lead to bad things happening.
Probably similar to Destania's reasons (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_712.php)
That, in a nutshell is what I was trying to say. Only put much better than I did.
But this leads to the question of why. If the mere presence of Cyra is a death mark, then why is clan imagery just left lying about the inn, seemingly without any repurcussion?
Long time lurker and reader, first post here.
Quote from: Naldru on May 18, 2009, 07:08:32 AM
Could Cyra be in the Fae kingdom? The disks do look similar.
I don't think the Fae would let her stay there. She'd have to be on really good terms with them to be allowed the possibility of bringing trouble(well, more of a nuisance for the Fae) to their kingdom.
As far as Dan's allies that can help:
Destania is no ally of Dan, not right now.
Fi might know, but we don't know.
Mab most likely knows, as she is Fae.
I dunno if Abel would know. As far as we know, Abel doesn't have a whole lot to do with his clan, and may not know as much about that sorta thing. Though he very well could.
I can't think of anyone he's too close to that would know besides them.
Interesting idea: If she
was in the Fae Kingdom, it makes even more sense Mab knows. And we know Mab has plans for Dan. But again, that seems unlikely IMO.
Quote from: inuhanyo on May 18, 2009, 07:35:56 PM
I surmise that either Destania's or Cyra's appearance at Lost Lake would quickly bring down an attack directed, if not executed, by one or more dragons.
Probably. Dan is protected by his relative harmlessness, friendship with Pyroduck, and closeness with Mab. However prominent Cyra's such as Destania or Cyra showing up would definitely get attention.
Quote from: Madmann135 on May 18, 2009, 12:01:45 PM
You know I just thought of something... Dan is said to have a few screws loose when it comes to common sense and certain levels of sanity but with the second panel Dan showed wisdom.
He asked an elder (despite the fact she looks old enough to be his big sister) for any advice she had to offer though he was given some of the best advice, he unfortunately already lives by the advice she gave.
He may lack common sense, but learning to respect the advice of elders probably comes earlier for those in such a deadly profession. Learn from other's mistakes and such.
Yah, I'm too lazy to think of much for myself, so most of mine will be responses.
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on May 18, 2009, 09:31:05 PM
But this leads to the question of why. If the mere presence of Cyra is a death mark, then why is clan imagery just left lying about the inn, seemingly without any repercussions?
Consider Biggs' 'invitation', said to Dee after suggesting that Dan could hide with her (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_725.php)
Biggs: "Dear Dan! Guess What! Dragons have your dad and the only reason he isn't dead is because they can't find me and don't know you exist! Come into hiding with me! And bring clean clothes! Love, mom!"
And Arryanna sensed Fa'Lina's aura after Fa'Lina had just left Lost Lake. I imagine that the dragons are actively seeking Destania and Cyra both, and possibly have some kind of magical alarms covering Lost Lake, which is Destania's last known (to them) location. However they haven't sent anyone to toss the place and finding the Cyra clan mark in a location that Destania has lived in for 25 years wouldn't be considered a clue.
Destania or Cyra showing up, however, would probably trip some alarms, big time. And it's going to be risky for Dan to go around with his new clan mark showing. He's been safe only because they don't know he is Cyra clan.
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Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on May 18, 2009, 09:31:05 PM
But this leads to the question of why. If the mere presence of Cyra is a death mark, then why is clan imagery just left lying about the inn, seemingly without any repercussions?
Consider Biggs' 'invitation', said to Dee after suggesting that Dan could hide with her (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_725.php)
Biggs: "Dear Dan! Guess What! Dragons have your dad and the only reason he isn't dead is because they can't find me and don't know you exist! Come into hiding with me! And bring clean clothes! Love, mom!"
And Arryanna sensed Fa'Lina's aura after Fa'Lina had just left Lost Lake. I imagine that the dragons are actively seeking Destania and Cyra both, and possibly have some kind of magical alarms covering Lost Lake, which is Destania's last known (to them) location. However they haven't sent anyone to toss the place and finding the Cyra clan mark in a location that Destania has lived in for 25 years wouldn't be considered a clue.
Destania or Cyra showing up, however, would probably trip some alarms, big time. And it's going to be risky for Dan to go around with his new clan mark showing. He's been safe only because they don't know he is Cyra clan.
But this would have to be fairly recent. I mean, Destania lived at lost lake at least long enough for Dan to graduate adventuring school, something that probably took 16 years at the very least. Why would Destania showing up now trigger an alarm when it didn't back then? Because if it's something that happened in the interim, why would Cyra's presence have tipped it off, since presumably it was somethign Destania is up to that's a threat to the Dragons. After all, Fa'Lina certianly doesn't seem to be in with her on things.
Although one thing has occurred to me. We're all assuming here, with cause certainly, that the unexplained reason behind Edward's disappearance is connected to all this Dragon hatred stuff. While that seems reasonable, who says that it is the cause at elast of this ruond of plotting?
Suppose that a big tough dragon like Hizell managed to take Cyra prisoner, or at least force her into hiding. Destania gets ticked, and tries some sort of revenge scheme. Either to forestall her or to punish, the Dragons imprison Edward as well.
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on May 18, 2009, 09:31:05 PM
But this leads to the question of why. If the mere presence of Cyra is a death mark, then why is clan imagery just left lying about the inn, seemingly without any repurcussion?
Ah, but it is not "just lying about the inn."
We know only of Alexsi's headboard, and the photo in Dan's room. And how many people wandering around an inn are going to be allowed to see those? First off, they've no reason to go into the basement - that area is typically reserved for staff and storage (or in this case, people who live there) and they would therefore be prevented from going down. I wouldn't be surprised if the door is behind the counter/in the kitchen. As for someone going into Alexsi's room. . . That'd be a hammer to the face very quickly.
EDIT: To that end, please see comics 377 and 379 (which I shall not link directly to, as I do not know how to make with the cool texty method). In 377, it looks like Dan's walking into the kitchen from an adjacent hallway, not the bar area; hence, the furniture pictured behind him. In 379, Alexsi in shown coming down a stairway right into the kitchen, on an opposite wall. So, the rooms they're in (and therefore the rooms the clan symbols are in) are not likely to be accessed by customers. They also would not be accessed by reporters, as they're considered private rooms. (The rooms for rent? Sure. But not Alexsi's, and not a room that semi-permanently occupied.) Come to think of it, I'm not sure I've ever seen an ad/article about an inn or hotel that's ever featured the kitchen portion of the establishment.
We're not talking about anoying houseguests. These are Dragons on the hunt. I'd bet money I don't have that they can turn themselves invisible, or otherwise undetectable to normal means. And I don't know the rules about scrying in the DMFA-verse, but I don't see why it wouldn't be possible to look in a mystic pool or whatever for all clan signs of Cyra.
Edit. Something else occurred to me. Where is Dan's nascant clan sign? It should be on his left shoulder, yes? Unless the "Dream him" doesn't have it yet, as Dan probably hasn't even noticed it yet.
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on May 18, 2009, 10:49:39 PM
Edit. Something else occurred to me. Where is Dan's nascant clan sign? It should be on his left shoulder, yes? Unless the "Dream him" doesn't have it yet, as Dan probably hasn't even noticed it yet.
Nope; it's on his right. Our view point of it forming was with him on his back, facing up, on his right. So, right arm, not left.
Quote from: Garsemor on May 18, 2009, 10:29:28 AM
Well, guessing from Dan's responses I'd think he might reconsider starting to like being a cubi and he might actually start to learn.
One of the things that might have actually scared Dan, into not wanting to be a cubi, was Aaryanna's constant pressure and attitude. If you compare Aaryanna's and Cyra's attitude you will find out that they have almost opposite attitudes, so it is possible that this was the key to unlocking Dan's listening and thinking brain cells from the small room in Dan's head.
Yes, having Aaryanna around was
not a good preparation for Dan discovering he is an Incubus. Cyra, on the other had, definitely came across as a doting grandmother (which she is, to Dan) and without being at all pushy. Compare Fa'lina when she got a whiff of Pyroduck having a romantic relationship (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_729.php). Cyra may have learned through bitter experience about the risks of trying to push ones offspring in a direction. With Destania, perhaps?
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on May 18, 2009, 10:34:51 PM
**snip**
But this would have to be fairly recent. I mean, Destania lived at lost lake at least long enough for Dan to graduate adventuring school, something that probably took 16 years at the very least. Why would Destania showing up now trigger an alarm when it didn't back then? Because if it's something that happened in the interim, why would Cyra's presence have tipped it off, since presumably it was something Destania is up to that's a threat to the Dragons. After all, Fa'Lina certainly doesn't seem to be in with her on things.
Although one thing has occurred to me. We're all assuming here, with cause certainly, that the unexplained reason behind Edward's disappearance is connected to all this Dragon hatred stuff. While that seems reasonable, who says that it is the cause at least of this round of plotting?
Suppose that a big tough dragon like Hizell managed to take Cyra prisoner, or at least force her into hiding. Destania gets ticked, and tries some sort of revenge scheme. Either to forestall her or to punish, the Dragons imprison Edward as well.
We know that some time not too long after Dan started his adventuring career, Edward didn't come back from one of his missions. Dee places the Inn in Alexsi's capable hands and goes looking for him. She doesn't come back either.
Dan has many adventures, and eventually "retires". As much as anyone can from that kind of job. He gets called out of retirement to deal with Dark Pegasus, again.
Much later, we discover (in canon) that Dee is working for Biggs in the Twink Territories. A contrived kidnapping allows Dee to have a good talk with Alexsi, and in the conversation between Dee and Biggs afterwards we learn that dragons have Edward in stasis, and Dee and Biggs have a plan to wipe the dragon race from Furrae. Details unspecified.
Given the Dragon-Cubi War and the massacre of Siar's clan, I'm now inclined to withhold judgment.
All else is surmise and speculation.
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on May 18, 2009, 10:49:39 PM
Something else occurred to me. Where is Dan's nascent clan sign? It should be on his left shoulder, yes? Unless the "Dream him" doesn't have it yet, as Dan probably hasn't even noticed it yet.
That's most likely the case, when we picked up on the dream, he didn't even have his headwings out. The clan mark started to manifest in the middle of the fight with DP, I'm certain Dan hasn't had the opportunity to notice it yet. So it wouldn't be part of his dream avatar.
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on May 18, 2009, 10:34:51 PM
Suppose that a big tough dragon like Hizell managed to take Cyra prisoner, or at least force her into hiding. Destania gets ticked, and tries some sort of revenge scheme. Either to forestall her or to punish, the Dragons imprison Edward as well.
I'm filing this under unlikely :) Hizell knew enough about clan connections to use Siar's link to find other clan members. if a dragon actually captured Cyra they could use the same trick. Or at least would keep Cyra for sending out calls for help that could give away plots. Otherwise Cyra just tells Dan 'I'm over here. Tell your mom. Send help. And bring cookies.'
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Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on May 18, 2009, 09:31:05 PM
But this leads to the question of why. If the mere presence of Cyra is a death mark, then why is clan imagery just left lying about the inn, seemingly without any repurcussion?
Ah, but it is not "just lying about the inn."
We know only of Alexsi's headboard, and the photo in Dan's room. And how many people wandering around an inn are going to be allowed to see those? First off, they've no reason to go into the basement - that area is typically reserved for staff and storage (or in this case, people who live there) and they would therefore be prevented from going down. I wouldn't be surprised if the door is behind the counter/in the kitchen. As for someone going into Alexsi's room. . . That'd be a hammer to the face very quickly.
Aw, I was going to bring up some of that, but you beat me to it. :mowtongue
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Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on May 18, 2009, 10:49:39 PM
Edit. Something else occurred to me. Where is Dan's nascant clan sign? It should be on his left shoulder, yes? Unless the "Dream him" doesn't have it yet, as Dan probably hasn't even noticed it yet.
Nope; it's on his right. Our view point of it forming was with him on his back, facing up, on his right. So, right arm, not left.
That would depend on whether his dream avatar only reflects his self image or if it can reflect (unrealized) reality. Absent then present headwings are probably only variations in his subconscious self image.
Quote from: Aganerral on May 19, 2009, 01:12:54 AM
I'm filing this under unlikely :) Hizell knew enough about clan connections to use Siar's link to find other clan members. if a dragon actually captured Cyra they could use the same trick. Or at least would keep Cyra for sending out calls for help that could give away plots. Otherwise Cyra just tells Dan 'I'm over here. Tell your mom. Send help. And bring cookies.'
I think it is a safe bet to say that Crya is at large somewhere.
I'm not saying it's likely either, just pointing out the possibility that the reason Cyra might not come into contact with Dan is because of some problem on her end, not Dan's. Even the powerful have thir problems.
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on May 18, 2009, 09:31:05 PM
But this leads to the question of why. If the mere presence of Cyra is a death mark, then why is clan imagery just left lying about the inn, seemingly without any repurcussion?
They might be considered an adventurer's war trophies.
With regards,
Ted
Quote from: CyraDon't die.
Quote from: Mrs. Amber WilliamsDan has a bad track record of following that advice.
Considering his dangerous craft, he has followed that advice quite well. :)
With regards,
Ted
Quote from: Azlan on May 19, 2009, 03:10:02 AM
I think it is a safe bet to say that Crya is at large somewhere.
I think that it is a safe bet that she is both large and at large.
Also considering that cubi clan leaders have psychic links to their clan and the fact that cubi can read thoughts and enter dreams, it is quite possible that they are like radio transmitters. Now that the dragons have Edward, they are probably twiddling the knobs on their psychic radios to trace down the few clan members who have had the bad taste to survive. Paintings and carvings on headboards wouldn't have this traceable aura. It is also possible that dragons are procrastinators and a little on the lazy side. They'll crush their enemies when they get around to it.
Quote from: Naldru on May 19, 2009, 03:06:36 PMIt is also possible that dragons are procrastinators and a little on the lazy side. They'll crush their enemies when they get around to it.
The word you're looking for is "careful." :mowtongue It's a common failing of the more long-lived races. They wait for the absolute perfect moment, and don't take anything less.
Quote from: Naldru on May 19, 2009, 03:06:36 PM
I think that it is a safe bet that she is both large and at large.
Also considering that cubi clan leaders have psychic links to their clan and the fact that cubi can read thoughts and enter dreams, it is quite possible that they are like radio transmitters. Now that the dragons have Edward, they are probably twiddling the knobs on their psychic radios to trace down the few clan members who have had the bad taste to survive. Paintings and carvings on headboards wouldn't have this traceable aura. It is also possible that dragons are procrastinators and a little on the lazy side. They'll crush their enemies when they get around to it.
Except that Edward is a being, barring the Edward = Aniz theory :) So having him probably wouldn't help too much to track down the cubi clans.
Something that occured to me, a weird branch of speculation.
We know that extremely powerful 'Cubi have to do something that makes them ascend to Tri-Wings, with a by-product of sterilization. That means any children that the clan founder wished to have must be born (or at least concieved. What happens if a pregnant succubus tries to ascend?) beforehand. Now, if all 'Cubi are part of some clan, it means that the clan founder, and probably his/her descendants make the switch to the new clan when this ascencion begins.
What I'm wondering is if a clan leader can be replaced. If you have whatever clan, and the clan founder dies, while I assume one of the descendants, if sufficiently powerful, can ascend him/herself and start a new clan, can one of them take the empty "seat" and ascend to the clan leader of the old one?
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on May 19, 2009, 07:51:24 PM
What I'm wondering is if a clan leader can be replaced. If you have whatever clan, and the clan founder dies, while I assume one of the descendants, if sufficiently powerful, can ascend him/herself and start a new clan, can one of them take the empty "seat" and ascend to the clan leader of the old one?
I believe Aary's journal mentioned that it was possible to transfer the power of the clan leader to another member. Dunno quite how canon that is, and I certainly don't know if it ascends the new leader.
Since ascension renders the founder immortal, they usually only die if they're killed. That would tend to scupper any plans for passing on the baton...
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 19, 2009, 07:59:26 PM
Since ascension renders the founder immortal, they usually only die if they're killed. That would tend to scupper any plans for passing on the baton...
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Quote from: Tapewolf on May 19, 2009, 07:59:26 PM
they usually only die if they're killed
:erk
By which I mean "deliberately killed". Yes, that was written past my bedtime...
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 20, 2009, 08:31:19 AM
By which I mean "deliberately killed". Yes, that was written past my bedtime...
Sorry couldn't resist. Atleast I didn't post the mile long image macro citing every time that blunder has shown up in anime :mwaha
Quote from: inuhanyo on May 18, 2009, 10:17:29 PM
And Arryanna sensed Fa'Lina's aura after Fa'Lina had just left Lost Lake. I imagine that the dragons are actively seeking Destania and Cyra both, and possibly have some kind of magical alarms covering Lost Lake, which is Destania's last known (to them) location. However they haven't sent anyone to toss the place and finding the Cyra clan mark in a location that Destania has lived in for 25 years wouldn't be considered a clue.
I do wonder if Pyroduck isn't sent by the Dragons as well as Fa'Lina. He's certainly had enough access to find the Cyra Clan icons around the place...
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 20, 2009, 08:54:30 AM
Quote from: inuhanyo on May 18, 2009, 10:17:29 PM
And Arryanna sensed Fa'Lina's aura after Fa'Lina had just left Lost Lake. I imagine that the dragons are actively seeking Destania and Cyra both, and possibly have some kind of magical alarms covering Lost Lake, which is Destania's last known (to them) location. However they haven't sent anyone to toss the place and finding the Cyra clan mark in a location that Destania has lived in for 25 years wouldn't be considered a clue.
I do wonder if Pyroduck isn't sent by the Dragons as well as Fa'Lina. He's certainly had enough access to find the Cyra Clan icons around the place...
Disturbed thought: What if Pyroduck's involvement with Alexi is purposeful... "Marry into the Cyra clan and secure peace."
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 20, 2009, 08:54:30 AM
I do wonder if Pyroduck isn't sent by the Dragons as well as Fa'Lina. He's certainly had enough access to find the Cyra Clan icons around the place...
According to Demonology 101, dragons are generally solitary. That would make think it unlikely that dragons would do anything as a large group. However, there might be other dragons who want to end the hostilities and this faction could conceivably ask Pyroduck to see what he could do. Perhaps Fa'lina saved a few baby dragons from death during the wars and they are trying to repay her by ending the war. Anybody out there ever read the story Enemy Mine or seen the movie. There could also be a few Fae (particularly Mab) trying to promote this peace making effort.
I can't see marrying into the Cyra clan to secure peace working unless Pyroduck belonged to the clan that was trying to wipe out the Siar and Cyra clans.
By the way, has anybody out there seen the Outer Limits episode Architects of Fear. There are possibilities in that type of plot.
P.S.
For personal reasons, I will be unable to attend Anthrocon and I am really bummed out about it.
Quote from: Shachza on May 20, 2009, 02:05:12 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 20, 2009, 08:54:30 AM
Quote from: inuhanyo on May 18, 2009, 10:17:29 PM
And Arryanna sensed Fa'Lina's aura after Fa'Lina had just left Lost Lake. I imagine that the dragons are actively seeking Destania and Cyra both, and possibly have some kind of magical alarms covering Lost Lake, which is Destania's last known (to them) location. However they haven't sent anyone to toss the place and finding the Cyra clan mark in a location that Destania has lived in for 25 years wouldn't be considered a clue.
I do wonder if Pyroduck isn't sent by the Dragons as well as Fa'Lina. He's certainly had enough access to find the Cyra Clan icons around the place...
Disturbed thought: What if Pyroduck's involvement with Alexi is purposeful... "Marry into the Cyra clan and secure peace."
Well he might have been sent by the dragons but not Fa'Lina if you remember page 729 Fa'Lina's words were "
Seriously Ducky. What reason would you possibly want to be near the kill zone that makes up Destania's family." So she had no idea he he was near Cyra clan.
I dough that Pyro was asked by dragons to forge a peace 1) Pyro was met at random 2) he only stayed because Alexsi offered him a room + he is frightened by Fa'Lina's B talk. So if he is forming an peace he is hiding it super well.
Quote from: Garsemor on May 20, 2009, 03:14:39 PM
Well he might have been sent by the dragons but not Fa'Lina if you remember page 729 Fa'Lina's words were "Seriously Ducky. What reason would you possibly want to be near the kill zone that makes up Destania's family." So she had no idea he he was near Cyra clan.
I dough that Pyro was asked by dragons to forge a peace 1) Pyro was met at random 2) he only stayed because Alexsi offered him a room + he is frightened by Fa'Lina's B talk. So if he is forming an peace he is hiding it super well.
Wait, what? I'm pretty sure that at the very least it strikes me as EXTREMELY likely that all three (Alexsi, Pyroduck, and Fa'Lina) knew that the clan involved is Cyra.
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Quote from: Garsemor on May 20, 2009, 03:14:39 PM
Well he might have been sent by the dragons but not Fa'Lina if you remember page 729 Fa'Lina's words were "Seriously Ducky. What reason would you possibly want to be near the kill zone that makes up Destania's family." So she had no idea he he was near Cyra clan.
I dough that Pyro was asked by dragons to forge a peace 1) Pyro was met at random 2) he only stayed because Alexsi offered him a room + he is frightened by Fa'Lina's B talk. So if he is forming an peace he is hiding it super well.
Wait, what? I'm pretty sure that at the very least it strikes me as EXTREMELY likely that all three (Alexsi, Pyroduck, and Fa'Lina) knew that the clan involved is Cyra.
What she didnt know was that Pyroduck would hang around them, for all she knew, he could have been halfway around the world. (bar precognition)
Quote from: Shachza on May 20, 2009, 02:05:12 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 20, 2009, 08:54:30 AM
Quote from: inuhanyo on May 18, 2009, 10:17:29 PM
And Arryanna sensed Fa'Lina's aura after Fa'Lina had just left Lost Lake. I imagine that the dragons are actively seeking Destania and Cyra both, and possibly have some kind of magical alarms covering Lost Lake, which is Destania's last known (to them) location. However they haven't sent anyone to toss the place and finding the Cyra clan mark in a location that Destania has lived in for 25 years wouldn't be considered a clue.
I do wonder if Pyroduck isn't sent by the Dragons as well as Fa'Lina. He's certainly had enough access to find the Cyra Clan icons around the place...
Disturbed thought: What if Pyroduck's involvement with Alexi is purposeful... "Marry into the Cyra clan and secure peace."
Ah, but recall that Alexsi is Dan's
half sister and Destania's step daughter, and therefore not part of clan Cyra.
And while that could be changed, no one in canon has even thought about it.
I wonder how Cyra would react to an introduction to Alexsi?
Quote from: inuhanyo on May 20, 2009, 10:12:14 PM
Quote from: Shachza on May 20, 2009, 02:05:12 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 20, 2009, 08:54:30 AM
Quote from: inuhanyo on May 18, 2009, 10:17:29 PM
And Arryanna sensed Fa'Lina's aura after Fa'Lina had just left Lost Lake. I imagine that the dragons are actively seeking Destania and Cyra both, and possibly have some kind of magical alarms covering Lost Lake, which is Destania's last known (to them) location. However they haven't sent anyone to toss the place and finding the Cyra clan mark in a location that Destania has lived in for 25 years wouldn't be considered a clue.
I do wonder if Pyroduck isn't sent by the Dragons as well as Fa'Lina. He's certainly had enough access to find the Cyra Clan icons around the place...
Disturbed thought: What if Pyroduck's involvement with Alexi is purposeful... "Marry into the Cyra clan and secure peace."
Ah, but recall that Alexsi is Dan's half sister and Destania's step daughter, and therefore not part of clan Cyra.
And while that could be changed, no one in canon has even thought about it.
I wonder how Cyra would react to an introduction to Alexsi?
Well, it's not so much about marrying into the clan as marrying someone who can influence the clan. Dan was too something (I got nothing), Destania was on the hit-list, and Cyra was MIA. Alexi would be plan B, and still be a good way to apply pressure on Dastania to back down.
Keep in mind we're talking dragons here. You've gotta be prepared for fae-level multi-pronged forward thinking.
"If I get a butterfly to land on Jyrras' nose on april 17th at 3pm he'll swerve his bike to the left; 5 miles away 2 minutes later some being named Mengu will spill a cup of iced tea on Alexi so Pyro can offer her a towel and be offered a place to stay. It's flawless!"
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 19, 2009, 07:59:26 PM
Since ascension renders the founder immortal, they usually only die if they're killed.
Immortal - not mortal; not liable or subject to death; undying: our immortal souls
I think what you people refer to as immortal is actually
ageless. If something was actually immortal, it couldn't die. Therefore, cubi aren't immortal, neither are clan leaders. Just
powerful ageless beings.
Quote from: Drathorin on May 21, 2009, 08:47:27 AM
I think what you people refer to as immortal is actually ageless. If something was actually immortal, it couldn't die. Therefore, cubi aren't immortal, neither are clan leaders. Just powerful ageless beings.
That may be. Not my description, though - that's just how Amber worded it.
Quote from: Drathorin on May 21, 2009, 08:47:27 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 19, 2009, 07:59:26 PM
Since ascension renders the founder immortal, they usually only die if they're killed.
Immortal - not mortal; not liable or subject to death; undying: our immortal souls
I think what you people refer to as immortal is actually ageless. If something was actually immortal, it couldn't die. Therefore, cubi aren't immortal, neither are clan leaders. Just powerful ageless beings.
Please note: while it is generally accepted that Gods are immortal, there have been several religions (both fictitious and real) where the God of the Dead/Afterlife was dead, by either choice or by being murdered. One example: the Ancient Egyptian god Osiris. If you go by the D&D 3.5 Deities and Demigods, while Gods might be immortal, they can still be killed off my the use of violence.
Quote from: Drathorin on May 21, 2009, 08:47:27 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 19, 2009, 07:59:26 PM
Since ascension renders the founder immortal, they usually only die if they're killed.
Immortal - not mortal; not liable or subject to death; undying: our immortal souls
I think what you people refer to as immortal is actually ageless. If something was actually immortal, it couldn't die. Therefore, cubi aren't immortal, neither are clan leaders. Just powerful ageless beings.
The word is almost
never used precisely (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Immortality). And, as Tapewolf points out, even some gods are not true immortals. The Norse gods are another example. They weren't even innately ageless.
Quote from: Shachza on May 21, 2009, 01:23:32 AM
Quote from: inuhanyo on May 20, 2009, 10:12:14 PM
Quote from: Shachza on May 20, 2009, 02:05:12 PM
Disturbed thought: What if Pyroduck's involvement with Alexi is purposeful... "Marry into the Cyra clan and secure peace."
Ah, but recall that Alexsi is Dan's half sister and Destania's step daughter, and therefore not part of clan Cyra.
Darn, beat me to it! I guess that happens when I work more than a day a week. :mowwink
QuoteAnd while that could be changed, no one in canon has even thought about it.
I wonder how Cyra would react to an introduction to Alexsi?
Well, it's not so much about marrying into the clan as marrying someone who can influence the clan. Dan was too something (I got nothing), Destania was on the hit-list, and Cyra was MIA. Alexi would be plan B, and still be a good way to apply pressure on Dastania to back down.
First, they'd have to know of Dee's marriage to Edward. Second, knowing that would paint a huge target on Dan, not Alexsi. And third,they'd have to assume that Alexsi can influence her or the clan enough for their purposes.
Don't the dragons know about Dee's marriage to Edward? I thought it was only my crackpot theory that suggested that Dee got involved because Edward did. Everyone else (and me too, I was really being devil's advocate above) seems to think that the Dragons grabbed Edward to put pressure on Dee.
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on May 23, 2009, 01:53:59 PM
Don't the dragons know about Dee's marriage to Edward? I thought it was only my crackpot theory that suggested that Dee got involved because Edward did. Everyone else (and me too, I was really being devil's advocate above) seems to think that the Dragons grabbed Edward to put pressure on Dee.
Yes they do, they put him in stasis apparently.
Oh as far I can tell
Quote from: Kenway975 on May 21, 2009, 07:16:16 PM
Quote from: Drathorin on May 21, 2009, 08:47:27 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 19, 2009, 07:59:26 PM
Since ascension renders the founder immortal, they usually only die if they're killed.
Immortal - not mortal; not liable or subject to death; undying: our immortal souls
I think what you people refer to as immortal is actually ageless. If something was actually immortal, it couldn't die. Therefore, cubi aren't immortal, neither are clan leaders. Just powerful ageless beings.
Please note: while it is generally accepted that Gods are immortal, there have been several religions (both fictitious and real) where the God of the Dead/Afterlife was dead, by either choice or by being murdered. One example: the Ancient Egyptian god Osiris. If you go by the D&D 3.5 Deities and Demigods, while Gods might be immortal, they can still be killed off my the use of violence.
I agree with immortal more likely meaning ageless. Invincible on the other hand means (mostly) that somebody can not be killed, but can die of old age. To add further confusion characters like the highlander are described as immortal and as a side effect, highly resilient but not invincible (decapitation does them in).
Every time someone has an 'immortal' character the concept is changed again, ranging from
immortal thus god like to simply
not subject to ageing, probably it just sounds better than 'they live a really long time'.
The word
Invincible is less often used, unless it's being shouted by someone who is due to die shortly.
Actually invincible means that one can't be defeated. In Marvel Comics, Galactus didn't appear able to be killed, but he was defeated a number of times.
I'm also not sure if invincible means that one can't be killed in combat. If an individual launches a suicide attack against the enemy and destroys his target before he is killed, has he or she really been defeated.