Ah and here I thought she might me haunting his dreams more often the way she was going on
Well, Cubi do live for a long time, so their definition of 'soon' could be different then the definition of 'soon' for, say, a Being.
I would suppose that it depends on perspective.
What are they sitting on, anyway?
Quote from: insidexml on May 17, 2009, 01:44:13 AM
Well, Cubi do live for a long time, so their definition of 'soon' could be different then the definition of 'soon' for, say, a Being.
I would suppose that it depends on perspective.
What are they sitting on, anyway?
Looks like a giant, purple table/bed to me.
Well, at least she's not rushing him. For some reason, Cyra reminds me of Fa'Lina. That same air of a teacher/loving parent looking out for those less experience than her, coupled with a sense of humor honed over millennia. I think I'm gonna like Cyra.
I like her already. :U
Quote from: insidexml on May 17, 2009, 01:44:13 AM
Well, Cubi do live for a long time, so their definition of 'soon' could be different then the definition of 'soon' for, say, a Being.
I would suppose that it depends on perspective.
What are they sitting on, anyway?
My guess is a convenient ledge brought in for dream necessity. Dan looks minuscule sitting next to her on the ledge
Hope Dan says she can come back at some point that we won't be waiting a couple of years for.
Quote from: LoneHowler on May 17, 2009, 01:41:41 AM
Ah and here I thought she might me haunting his dreams more often the way she was going on
Dan's already having trouble sleeping under normal conditions, he's probably going to have to make a special effort to get to sleep to "talk" to her again. He'd better not wait too long.
Quote from: Jairus on May 17, 2009, 02:04:47 AM
Well, at least she's not rushing him. For some reason, Cyra reminds me of Fa'Lina. That same air of a teacher/loving parent looking out for those less experience than her, coupled with a sense of humor honed over millennia. I think I'm gonna like Cyra.
Quote from: bdplague on May 17, 2009, 02:08:43 AM
I like her already. :U
Agreed.
Since Dee is her daughter, Cyra would have to have ascended to tri-wing status after she was born, so the Cyra clan
per se, can't be much over 7 millennia old, possibly significantly less.
Quote from: inuhanyo on May 17, 2009, 02:33:28 AMSince Dee is her daughter, Cyra would have to have ascended to tri-wing status after she was born, so the Cyra clan per se, can't be much over 7 millennia old, possibly significantly less.
Is that necessarally how it works? IIRC what's been revealed in forums was that "clan founders are sterile" rather than "tri wings are sterile"
ie, do we actually know that the following sequence of events is disallowed:
Cyra ascends to tri wing status.
Cyra gives birth to Destinia
Cyra founds clan Cyra, (Destinia, and any other children of hers becoming a part of it) and in the process becomes sterile.
This is going to be interesting. I'm sure that at one point Dan will sleep specifically just to talk to her. I think this is the first discussion , Dan said to a cubi, which didn't involve some sort of insult or didn't end in disaster ever since Dee left.
I liked cyra ever since I saw her smile.
Quote from: Garsemor on May 17, 2009, 02:59:06 AM
This is going to be interesting. I'm sure that at one point Dan will sleep specifically just to talk to her. I think this is the first discussion , Dan said to a cubi, which didn't involve some sort of insult or didn't end in disaster ever since Dee left.
I liked cyra ever since I saw her smile.
Yes, if anything is going to help reconcile Dan to being a Cubi, it's meeting a nice Cubi, and Cyra seems to meet the bill. That she is his grandmother doesn't hurt at all.
And having someone he can talk to about all sorts of stuff, especially Cubi stuff, that he actually
trusts is a Good Thing (http://catb.org/jargon/html/G/Good-Thing.html).
Quote from: Psy-Kosh on May 17, 2009, 02:39:35 AM
Quote from: inuhanyo on May 17, 2009, 02:33:28 AMSince Dee is her daughter, Cyra would have to have ascended to tri-wing status after she was born, so the Cyra clan per se, can't be much over 7 millennia old, possibly significantly less.
Is that necessarily how it works? IIRC what's been revealed in forums was that "clan founders are sterile" rather than "tri wings are sterile"
ie, do we actually know that the following sequence of events is disallowed:
Cyra ascends to tri wing status.
Cyra gives birth to Destinia
Cyra founds clan Cyra, (Destinia, and any other children of hers becoming a part of it) and in the process becomes sterile.
Someone familiar with those discussions will have to answer that, my impression was that ascending to tri-wing status automatically founded a new clan, assuming that the new tri-wing has any living descendants.
EDIT: Either way though, Clan Cyra is younger than Destinia.
She's so gonna stalk him in his sleep, spying on him. Hey, you live that long, you get bored easily. This is a fun thing to do.
I bed she and Matilda would get along nicely.
Cyra looks so good in the second panel.... man I'm jealous of Amber being able to design such good clothes for her chars
I hope Dan politely tells her that he'd rather be talked to sooner, I'd really rather not wait ages for Cyra to appear again.
Then again, you never know. For all we know, Dan might decide to fully enrole at SAIA for a while, and who's to say Cyra can't "pop in" for a visit? She and Fa'Lina could be good friends after all
Well she's never spoken ill of Cyra herself so it's possible... Probably good for Dan too that she isn't pushing anything but being very respectful rather than sledgehammering everything onto him. Makes her look good too no doubt :c The question is whether she requests to not be mentioned in the "real world" as that would suggest some other goings on.
I want her back personally though, she's up in my top 5 easily :D
It's odd that she's his grandmother and not great-great-grandmother or sobmithing. Maybe Destania is really old too
ps.: just occurred to me that all the clan leaders shown so far are female, are there any male leaders?
Quote from: Jack McSlay on May 17, 2009, 07:11:20 AM
ps.: just occurred to me that all the clan leaders shown so far are female, are there any male leaders?
That guy (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_561.php) in the second panel was actually a Clan leader. Wildy still beat him up with bare hands - she's just
that awesome. :grin
He now knows he's dreaming. Doesn't that mean that he could now have a certain element of control?
I forget it, but there's a term for that...
Another question bugging my mind...
'Cubi 'invade' dreams, right? Would it be possible for an untrained cubi to invade their own dream? Causing some kind of strange thing? Like, they see themeselves how others see them? Like in portal, when you make a portal in front and behind you, you can see Chell.
Quote from: Jack McSlay on May 17, 2009, 07:11:20 AM
It's odd that she's his grandmother and not great-great-grandmother or sobmithing. Maybe Destania is really old too
ps.: just occurred to me that all the clan leaders shown so far are female, are there any male leaders?
And How many Clan leaders have we seen?...I know of only two upclose, so far
PBH
Aww, I was really hoping for a big, plot-revealing chat with Cyra too. :<
Ah well, maybe Dan will talk with her sooner than later.
Quote from: Prof B Hunnydew on May 17, 2009, 07:50:54 AM
Quote from: Jack McSlay on May 17, 2009, 07:11:20 AM
It's odd that she's his grandmother and not great-great-grandmother or sobmithing. Maybe Destania is really old too
ps.: just occurred to me that all the clan leaders shown so far are female, are there any male leaders?
And How many Clan leaders have we seen?...I know of only two upclose, so far
PBH
Technically, we've "seen" four tri-wings but only two within the comic pages: there's one in the old calendar images and then there's *COUGH-HACK-WHEEZE* that we've seen as well. Of course, the two in-comic are also the two that we've actually seen in action using founder-y abilities as well, so they're more important for the sake of discussion as opposed to "Ooo, lookit me, I'm Pwetty".
But yes, all four shown so far are female. I doubt Amber is going to go out of her way to show more leaders than necessary just to prove there can be male founders as well, especially as all the founders we've seen in action so far are very ... scantily clad.
I can only imagine that a male founder, if one exists, would wear little more than a glorified suspender thong. :erk
Personally, the way Cyra is acting makes me think it's not really her, rather someone else invading his dream creating an image of her.
For one, if Dan were Cyra's direct grandson, indicated in the previous panel, I think she would go to a lot more effort of protecting him, or at least educating him. It doesn't even have to be a SAIA education, he could stay with his relatives personally, and I would think Cyra can hide/protect him a lot better than he can on his own.
Secondly, I don't really think 'real' Cyra would brush the conversation off so early, and 'anything under a decade' would be a lot of time that Dan could get himself killed. If anything, resume the next night, but I would imagine that Cyra would be a bit more... pushy, especially considering what had just happened to him.
I still think what's going on in Dan's dream is a setup orchestrated by Abel, or Fa'lina, both have motive to push Dan to get back into SAIA.
I don't know.
I think Cyra is kidding here.
I mean, she specifically said that she was here to help him survive.
In ten years he either will be dead already or no needing her help anymore.
Sure, we don't know exactly how much she knows about Dan and especially his recent problems. But I still think we won't have to wait ten years to hear or see from her again.
Ugh, wall of text. So many replies...
Quote from: Jack McSlay on May 17, 2009, 07:11:20 AM
It's odd that she's his grandmother and not great-great-grandmother or sobmithing. Maybe Destania is really old too
ps.: just occurred to me that all the clan leaders shown so far are female, are there any male leaders?
Yeah, I asked about that. The females outnumber them in the present, but there are still some male tri-wings.
As for Destania, she's 7026 (see wiki for reference).
Quote from: inuhanyo on May 17, 2009, 03:17:27 AM
Yes, if anything is going to help reconcile Dan to being a Cubi, it's meeting a nice Cubi, and Cyra seems to meet the bill. That she is his grandmother doesn't hurt at all.
We'll see. Given that her clan tends to revel in causing pain and that she didn't seem to prevent Destania from becoming horrifically evil, I'm not sure.
With that in mind, it seems unlikely that she is one of the few tri-wings who ascended without taking souls. Dan might not be too pleased when he finds out.
QuoteAnd having someone he can talk to about all sorts of stuff, especially Cubi stuff, that he actually trusts is a Good Thing (http://catb.org/jargon/html/G/Good-Thing.html).
Very much so. Given that this whole mess was started because he was trying to learn about Destania's evil, I hope he has the presence of mind to ask about her.
QuoteSomeone familiar with those discussions will have to answer that, my impression was that ascending to tri-wing status automatically founded a new clan, assuming that the new tri-wing has any living descendants.
I don't know if it's the ascension or the clan bit that renders them sterile. However, I'm willing to place money on the ascension doing it. If that's not the step that makes them unkillable by normal means, I'll be very, very surprised. And if they can't die that way, they're not liable to reproduce that way either. Just like the undead.
Quote from: inuhanyo on May 17, 2009, 02:33:28 AM
Dan's already having trouble sleeping under normal conditions, he's probably going to have to make a special effort to get to sleep to "talk" to her again. He'd better not wait too long.
Medication might do it. I've always had a suspicion that dreaming fades over a century or more, and from what Cyra is saying it doesn't sound like a 10-year wait is out of the question.
Quote from: The1Kobra on May 17, 2009, 09:09:53 AM
Personally, the way Cyra is acting makes me think it's not really her, rather someone else invading his dream creating an image of her.
Interesting thought. I doubt Abel has the experience to do it. Fa'Lina might. If you're correct, it might have been
her doing that stuff to Fi to act as some kind of transceiver.
Quote from: Garsemor on May 17, 2009, 02:59:06 AM
I liked cyra ever since I saw her smile.
i liked her ever since i saw her 'wingspan'
There are NO male clan leaders.
Males would never give up fertility. :giggle
Quote from: insidexml on May 17, 2009, 01:44:13 AM
What are they sitting on, anyway?
The stuff of dreams.
Quote from: Garsemor on May 17, 2009, 02:59:06 AM
I liked cyra ever since I saw her smile.
A kind motherly/grandmotherly smile. Regardless of whether it's genuine or faked.
Quote from: Alondro on May 17, 2009, 09:41:16 AM
There are NO male clan leaders.
Males would never give up fertility. :giggle
Infertility doesn't mean unable to perform.
Soon, eh? (http://www.wowwiki.com/Soon)
It felt appropriate.
Hmmmm, maybe Dan will go why not meet me in person.
Also where was it mentioned in forums that Clan Founders/Tri-wings are sterile?
Quote from: Michael Chandra on May 17, 2009, 03:40:10 AM
She's so gonna stalk him in his sleep, spying on him. Hey, you live that long, you get bored easily. This is a fun thing to do.
Dan's gotten to the point (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_377.php) where he doesn't
need to sleep, under normal conditions. Having lost a lot of blood isn't a normal condition, so for a little while he can go to sleep like he used to. But once he recovers, he'll have take some special effort to go to sleep, perhaps medication as tapewolf suggests.
And Cyra is going to have to keep some small degree of awareness of his dream state, if only so she can "hear" him when he wants to talk with her.
But it's not like he sleeps and dreams every night, anymore.
Quote from: Brownie on May 17, 2009, 07:32:31 AM
He now knows he's dreaming. Doesn't that mean that he could now have a certain element of control?
I forget it, but there's a term for that.
It's called a lucid dream (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucid_dream)
Her expressions seem odd. Especially in Panel two. Eyes wide open, ears moving apart, I'd say she's surprised, which doesn't fit quite in with "That is understandable."
But Kobra, I'm going to have to disagree with you, especially because of the third panel. Look at her face there, she's screwing up her face, almost trying not to cry. I get the impression that she wants Dan to contact her soon, immediately, to continue the conversation, but that she has some ethical constraint against forcing him to act.
But that's just my 2 pence, and I've been wrong before.
Quote from: AmigaDragon on May 17, 2009, 09:43:28 AM
Quote from: Alondro on May 17, 2009, 09:41:16 AM
There are NO male clan leaders.
Males would never give up fertility. :giggle
Infertility doesn't mean unable to perform.
If they're as big as Cyra, the question really becomes "Perform with WHO?"
... actually, I take that back. I forget what kind of fandom I'm talking to :-p
Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on May 17, 2009, 11:59:50 AM
If they're as big as Cyra,
I imagine she can be any size she wants. Even assuming she is usually that size in real life, which is not a given.
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on May 17, 2009, 11:40:04 AM
Her expressions seem odd. Especially in Panel two. Eyes wide open, ears moving apart, I'd say she's surprised, which doesn't fit quite in with "That is understandable."
"I can see now that a lot has happened to you recently." Perhaps Cyra
just then became aware of what Dan's been through recently, and that's what has her surprised.
Quote
But Kobra, I'm going to have to disagree with you, especially because of the third panel. Look at her face there, she's screwing up her face, almost trying not to cry. I get the impression that she wants Dan to contact her soon, immediately, to continue the conversation, but that she has some ethical constraint against forcing him to act.
Bitter experience may have taught her that pushing in such situations is a Bad Thing.
Before this dream ends, they need to establish a protocol for reestablishing contact. It could be very simple, no more than Dan calling out her name while dreaming.
Cyra's opening remark
"Is that so? Then perhaps what you need is a friend who will help you help yourself." is a hook that should bring Daniel back, once he has time to take in everything that's happened today. And, of course, he could ask Cyra about his mom.
I will say this much, the lack of clan marking on the vixen from that old calendar is a technical error on my part. In theory it should have been there but I fully admit I was still working out the details of how things work.
So that is my bad.
Anyone here thing they would have gone mad with the things Dan has been subjected to?
In the course of fortnight (I'm guessing here) he has
1.Realised he's not a being
2. Been brained and abducted
3. Been Glomped by a fan girl
4. Got Beaten up and threatened by a cubi
5. Got a new cellar mate
6. Been turned into his sister
7.Realised his best friend is gay/bisexual and is crushing on him.
7.Been beaten up by his mum in disguise
8. Nearly bleed to death after a fight with two old enemies
9.Become a certain pinked haired girls boyfreind (sort off)
10. Been told his is one of only three Cyra clan cubi
11.Got all existential/confused
All with minimum nervous breakdowns.
Quote from: MT Hazard on May 17, 2009, 01:44:04 PM
Anyone here thing they would have gone mad with the things Dan has been subjected to?
In the course of fortnight (I'm guessing here) he has
1.Realised he's not a being
2. Been brained and abducted
3. Been Glomped by a fan girl
4. Got Beaten up and threatened by a cubi
5. Got a new cellar mate
6. Been turned into his sister
7.Realised his best friend is gay/bisexual and is crushing on him.
7.Been beaten up by his mum in disguise
8. Nearly bleed to death after a fight with two old enemies
9.Become a certain pinked haired girls boyfreind (sort off)
10. Been told his is one of only three Cyra clan cubi
11.Got all existential/confused
All with minimum nervous breakdowns.
Yeess, Dan has held up better than Joshua Oswald (http://www.project-future.org/cast.php), who has gone into an emotional funk twice (saved from actual nervous breakdowns by incubus eating his emotional turmoil). Of course, Josh has had to deal with the following
over the span of a few days.
1. Investigating a secret base, discovering it belongs to a hostile organization run by demons.
2. Fleeing, getting shot up, dying from his wounds, brought back as a cyborg. By an Incubus Mad Scientist (well, that's what Jakob Pettersohn comes off as, at least at first).
3. During an attack on Jakob's base, Josh pushed Jakob out of the line of fire, and takes a bullet himself.
In the head. This time he's brought back as an android.
4. Josh discovers that Jakob believes himself to have once been the dictator Johan Cross, who has a Hitlerian reputation.
5. Jakob uses Josh to bring back Lord Page (an Angel) as an android.
6. Traversed a non-Euclidean passageway to an extra-dimensional dam.
Oh yeah, Jakob's affinities are fear and wonder, so he can't resist putting a scare into Josh now and then. Even though Jakob doesn't let it run for very long, and apologises afterwards, this doesn't do Josh's mental health any good.
Quote from: inuhanyo on May 17, 2009, 03:17:27 AM
EDIT: Either way though, Clan Cyra is younger than Destinia.
Unless she was pregnant when the clan was founded :U :B
I will concede this one thing about Crya after staring at her for a few strips, she is rather pretty. I like her shade of blue more than Dee's darker one.
Quote from: MT Hazard on May 17, 2009, 01:44:04 PM
Anyone here thing they would have gone mad with the things Dan has been subjected to?
In the course of fortnight (I'm guessing here) he has
1.Realised he's not a being
2. Been brained and abducted
3. Been Glomped by a fan girl
4. Got Beaten up and threatened by a cubi
5. Got a new cellar mate
6. Been turned into his sister
7.Realised his best friend is gay/bisexual and is crushing on him.
7.Been beaten up by his mum in disguise
8. Nearly bleed to death after a fight with two old enemies
9.Become a certain pinked haired girls boyfreind (sort off)
10. Been told his is one of only three Cyra clan cubi
11.Got all existential/confused
All with minimum nervous breakdowns.
I think it's been more than 2 weeks overall. Though its hard to say for sure there are a few hints...like didn't Abel stay in his room for a week at some point? Granted, it's not more than a couple months though.
And I continue to hope that when Cyra said only Destania remains, the means her direct blood descendents, Given how little we know of clan formation overall, there could easily be more distant relations involved, or adopties/transfers into the clan. Would just be too depressing if Dan AND Abel were both essentially the last of their clans.
Plus, Cyras acting nice and friendly here, but hers IS the clan of pain, and no one seems to think that Dee is a non-representative member. If her clan was getting obliterated, I doubt Cyra would just stay in hiding and let it happen. Though now as I write it, I suppose she could have beat down their enemies but lost almost everyone :(
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 17, 2009, 01:28:24 PM
I will say this much, the lack of clan marking on the vixen from that old calendar is a technical error on my part. In theory it should have been there but I fully admit I was still working out the details of how things work.
So that is my bad.
is that why the clan marking keeps changing?
Quote from: Hellcat on May 17, 2009, 03:43:06 AM
Cyra looks so good in the second panel.... man I'm jealous of Amber being able to design such good clothes for her chars
Personally I think Cyra would still look good in a potato sack...
Quote from: Alondro on May 17, 2009, 09:41:16 AM
There are NO male clan leaders.
Males would never give up fertility. :giggle
Let me weigh the choices...
Near ultimate power +1
No fathering children -1
Possibility of a harem ...+1 (I am a guy, a perverted guy with morals)
Long life +1
Being the leader of your own clan +1
... Sign me up
Quote from: Madmann135 on May 17, 2009, 08:24:40 PM
No fathering children -1
So store sperm at a bank before getting that third set of wings. Problem solved.
Quote from: Shadowcatcher on May 17, 2009, 08:26:23 PM
So store sperm at a bank before getting that third set of wings. Problem solved.
And hope that the magical component of the 'Cubi also gets preserved :B
does the clan mark always so up in the same place on clan members?
Quote from: e_voyager on May 17, 2009, 10:47:16 PM
does the clan mark always so up in the same place on clan members?
No, it's random by individual. Siar had hers on her chest, Aniz's is on one forearm, Abel's is in the middle of his back.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 17, 2009, 08:36:58 PM
Quote from: Shadowcatcher on May 17, 2009, 08:26:23 PM
So store sperm at a bank before getting that third set of wings. Problem solved.
And hope that the magical component of the 'Cubi also gets preserved :B
There's usually a solution for every problem, especially when you start mixing technology and magic together like Jyrras is.
Just some additional thoughts. Does anyone know what sparked off the dragon wars? Might it be related to the fact that thus far, every cubi that can produce tentacle heads have heads that resemble (some more strongly then others) dragon heads? Fa'lina's heads do sort of resemble that of a bird, but if you stretch it a little, one could argue that it is just a peculiar shape of dragon head. I wonder if it takes the consumption of a dragon's soul to become a tri-wing?
Quote from: Shadowcatcher on May 17, 2009, 11:58:24 PM
Just some additional thoughts. Does anyone know what sparked off the dragon wars?
Not really. There have been a few theories, though. One is that the dragons accidentally created the 'Cubi and have been trying to un-create them ever since.
QuoteI wonder if it takes the consumption of a dragon's soul to become a tri-wing?
Apparently two 'Cubi managed to ascend without using any souls at all.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 18, 2009, 04:11:57 AMApparently two 'Cubi managed to ascend without using any souls at all.
Citation?
Quote from: Ganurath on May 18, 2009, 04:18:48 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 18, 2009, 04:11:57 AMApparently two 'Cubi managed to ascend without using any souls at all.
Citation?
Certainly:
http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,2262.msg93710.html#msg93710