Ah Regina, you are now a favorite, being able to pull off the one word speech
*lol this topic was started three times
Seems that Regina would be hard to understand in normal conversations. Wonder if she is aware of punctuation.
It seems like Healing abilities are reasonably common amongst Demons, at least on a basic level.
Seems like whatever spell DP used to 'port out, took a lot out of him he seemed pretty steady back at Kria's. I do wonder where they are. Somewhere that Regina isn't familiar with, which would indicate out of Kria's manor. Probably back at wherever he was when Dan faced him down back in the early hundreds.
Edit. Agh. 16 seconds too short. Shorter intro post next time. Get it in later.
And surprising enough you were the first by a few seconds.
It is interesting how Aliph passed out after teleporting himself and Regina away from the fray. Dan did more damage than we originally thought.
HAH! Told ya it would have been a double knockdown! :3
Quote from: Michael Chandra on March 30, 2009, 02:13:45 AM
HAH! Told ya it would have been a double knockdown! :3
A double KO is better than a Dan DOA.
I like how she thinks that Dan attacked because he's an adventurer and not because he already has a grudge.
Here's a thought.... suppose Dan dies... would he just get resurrected?
Happens all the time when I roleplay on Furc
I doubt it. He hasn't gone through all of the stuff that Aliph did to become "immortal." I'd think that that would be an important part of it.
Quote from: Hellcat on March 30, 2009, 02:17:25 AM
Here's a thought.... suppose Dan dies... would he just get resurrected?
Happens all the time when I roleplay on Furc
It's already been done the last time he went up against DP
Heheheh, seems Dan gave about as good as he got. Go Dan. Also, panicking Regina is funny.
Quote from: LoneHowler on March 30, 2009, 02:43:00 AM
Quote from: Hellcat on March 30, 2009, 02:17:25 AM
Here's a thought.... suppose Dan dies... would he just get resurrected?
Happens all the time when I roleplay on Furc
It's already been done the last time he went up against DP
Was that really a resurrection so much as it was a near death experience/revival?
Quote from: LoneHowler on March 30, 2009, 02:43:00 AM
Quote from: Hellcat on March 30, 2009, 02:17:25 AM
It's already been done the last time he went up against DP
Technically that was just massive healing by a shaman
Hitting Azlan over the head is considered "massive healing?"
Quote from: VSMIT on March 30, 2009, 02:51:10 AM
Hitting Azlan over the head is considered "massive healing?"
Considering what happened, yes, yes it is.
Quote from: Jairus on March 30, 2009, 02:44:01 AM
Heheheh, seems Dan gave about as good as he got.
Mmmmmaybe not. It's likely that DP's health/power level is very low after being resurrected. That's how resurrection works in most fiction and games--you ressurect, then you have to rest and heal. You noticed how he didn't throw any spells during the encounter with Dan? And how he started out dialoging Dan instead of attacking while Dan was stunned? He should have just cast his disintegration spell at sans-majic-protection-garments Dan in mid-dialog (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_923.php) if he wanted an assured victory. Why didn't he? He couldn't.
While it's feasible that DP succumbed to shock just a few seconds after he teleported, it's more likely that ate up the last of his reserves.
Also, this points out that DP took Regina along not out of a need to keep her safe, or gratitude for resurrecting him, but because he needed her to heal him in a safe place. He might yet decide to sacrifice her at a moment's whim! (The fiend!)
Hmm, dark and dingy. The cobweb is a nice touch - if this was the same place where Dan stormed last time the spiders sure do move pretty fast; if I remember correctly time canon hasn't passed more than a few week, or a few months at best.
Regina knows healing magic. Either its a commonly taught magic or she specialized in it.
Quote from: Darkdragon on March 30, 2009, 03:39:44 AM
Hmm, dark and dingy. The cobweb is a nice touch - if this was the same place where Dan stormed last time the spiders sure do move pretty fast; if I remember correctly time canon hasn't passed more than a few week, or a few months at best.
Oh, spiders can be pretty fast at making those.. Especially huge spiders.. That like to quote Shakespeare. :B
Quote from: Darkdragon on March 30, 2009, 03:39:44 AM
Regina knows healing magic. Either its a commonly taught magic or she specialized in it.
I think it would be a commonly taught magic. It is handy to know some sort of a simple healing spell, after all.
Quote from: Darkdragon on March 30, 2009, 03:39:44 AM
Hmm, dark and dingy. The cobweb is a nice touch - if this was the same place where Dan stormed last time the spiders sure do move pretty fast; if I remember correctly time canon hasn't passed more than a few week, or a few months at best.
Amber has said that the whole comic fits in about 6 months ("Get me to the church" was the currently running arc at the time).
Quote from: jeffh4 on March 30, 2009, 03:37:17 AM
While it's feasible that DP succumbed to shock just a few seconds after he teleported, it's more likely that ate up the last of his reserves.
Either way, it makes his eloquent speeches all the more impressive.
QuoteAlso, this points out that DP took Regina along not out of a need to keep her safe, or gratitude for resurrecting him, but because he needed her to heal him in a safe place. He might yet decide to sacrifice her at a moment's whim! (The fiend!)
I was going to say something like this but you beat me to it.
As for 'multitrack mind' I'm thinking more 'simple mind'. She just doesn't seem to grasp that most of this is her fault. If she hadn't hit him with the tray, Dan might have retained enough presence of mind to finish negotiations as a priority.
And while Dan may be vicious, he has a good reason for it - protecting himself and other people. We've yet to hear her reasons for killing a bunch of people, but I'm thinking it's to try and improve status. But I digress. Either way she isn't the sort of person I'd want to rely on to heal me up when she seems to be so worried about leaving the ice-cream out. If Devin's going to be mad at anything, it's going to be all the blood in the carpet.
i think healing magic is in all likelyhood 'standard knowledge'. scratch my prior theory about the hippies.
maybe in Demon School (as kria apparently did attend something akin to it, as seen here (http://missmab.com/Comics/Abel_69.php)) basic healing magic is part of the course. Beings learn math and writing...Creatures learn basic first aid magic.
it'd seem pretty logical, especially with adventuring being a valid business.
Quote from: senrath on March 30, 2009, 02:59:06 AM
Quote from: VSMIT on March 30, 2009, 02:51:10 AM
Hitting Azlan over the head is considered "massive healing?"
Considering what happened, yes, yes it is.
thats got me thinking what feelings is it that cubi dan can absorb for energy again? and could bashing azlan over the head produce those feelings somehow? that could explain why it helped dan maybe.
Quote from: icarus on March 30, 2009, 05:29:41 AM
maybe in Demon School (as kria apparently did attend something akin to it, as seen here (http://missmab.com/Comics/Abel_69.php)) basic healing magic is part of the course. Beings learn math and writing...Creatures learn basic first aid magic.
it'd seem pretty logical, especially with adventuring being a valid business.
Maybe not quite so clear-cut. There are spells that Beings can cast (adventuring parties usually have a mage and all) and given how useful a healing spell is, it's a fair bet that Beings are at least offered the option of learning some basic magic.
Quote from: John Roh on March 30, 2009, 05:37:35 AM
thats got me thinking what feelings is it that cubi dan can absorb for energy again? and could bashing azlan over the head produce those feelings somehow? that could explain why it helped dan maybe.
Dan does good with pain. It has been suggested that the healing then consisted of giving him enough energy to regenerate his critical wounds. In the present situation that might be what's keeping him alive.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 30, 2009, 05:41:29 AM
Dan does good with pain. It has been suggested that the healing then consisted of giving him enough energy to regenerate his critical wounds. In the present situation that might be what's keeping him alive.
the only one in the room who was feeling pain just teleported away ... good thing he was getting healed by then.
Quote from: John Roh on March 30, 2009, 05:44:55 AM
the only one in the room who was feeling pain just teleported away ... good thing he was getting healed by then.
Depends if Dan is able to absorb his own pain.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 30, 2009, 05:45:30 AM
Quote from: John Roh on March 30, 2009, 05:44:55 AM
the only one in the room who was feeling pain just teleported away ... good thing he was getting healed by then.
Depends if Dan is able to absorb his own pain.
true but how effective would that actually be? he might be able to use that to get back some of the strength he was losing. I doubt its 100% efficient especially in his condition not to mention he isnt trained.
this also assumes that absorbing energy like that is akin to rapidly healing and not just topping off stamina. although considering he was healed by azlans pain it seems to fit.
either way it doesnt seem to be enough on its own to deal with a punctured lung.
actually come to think of it the pain thing helps to explain how dan was (apparently) able to get roughly up to d.p's level relativly quickly. all dan would need to do is drag himself up to a level where he can start to cause d.p. pain. that right there would give dan a boost durring the fight. (he might not even have been absorbing energy like that durring the first fight too young?)
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 30, 2009, 05:41:29 AM
Quote from: icarus on March 30, 2009, 05:29:41 AM
maybe in Demon School (as kria apparently did attend something akin to it, as seen here (http://missmab.com/Comics/Abel_69.php)) basic healing magic is part of the course. Beings learn math and writing...Creatures learn basic first aid magic.
it'd seem pretty logical, especially with adventuring being a valid business.
Maybe not quite so clear-cut. There are spells that Beings can cast (adventuring parties usually have a mage and all) and given how useful a healing spell is, it's a fair bet that Beings are at least offered the option of learning some basic magic.
ah, true that. my bad. kria's rant about jy being powerless was fairly fresh in my mind is all.
either way, learning healing magic just seems like a no-brainer, especially if you're of a species that's regularly targetted by Buff Drinklots and his horde of monster-slaying buddies.
i think the problem with people being shocked at demons knowing healing magic here is the old videogame stereotype of "magic types." white mages and all that junk. but i think in furrae it's much more like 'one may have an apptitude for a certain kind of magic, but that doesn't mean they're in the lurch as far as other types go'
Quote from: icarus on March 30, 2009, 06:21:04 AM
i think the problem with people being shocked at demons knowing healing magic here is the old videogame stereotype of "magic types." white mages and all that junk. but i think in furrae it's much more like 'one may have an apptitude for a certain kind of magic, but that doesn't mean they're in the lurch as far as other types go'
Yeah, I'm not at all surprised myself. Demons are magical, magical healing is dead useful.
While Demons do seem to have an aptitude for 'dark magic' as opposed to 'light magic' it has never been explained what these are, or actually come up in the story at all, come to that. Either way, I'd be surprised if they couldn't use the other type - Angels, Demons and 'Cubi are all capable of soul-manipulation so there is evidently a certain amount of cross-compatibility.
Quote from: jeffh4 on March 30, 2009, 03:37:17 AM
You noticed how he didn't throw any spells during the encounter with Dan? And how he started out dialoging Dan instead of attacking while Dan was stunned? He should have just cast his disintegration spell at sans-majic-protection-garments Dan in mid-dialog (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_923.php) if he wanted an assured victory. Why didn't he? He couldn't.
Another possibility is that DP did not realize that Dan's robe is what allowed him to survive the magical blast back then. Otherwise why did DP go with fighting Dan tooth and claw (in DP's case) in Chapter 9. If he did know, then why didn't he just magic blast Dan in the chest right after Dan's dramatic pose (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_154.php)? What's the point of using a magical blast when you don't think it's worth the expenditure of energy? Also, if he "couldn't' then why was he able to teleport both himself and Regina? In most games I've seen, teleporting takes more effort than a simple magical blast. While it's not always the case, usually in those cases teleporting also has a much more limited usage. For example, FF1 teleport only costs 5 MP, but takes you to the previous level of the dungeon you are in. Exit costs 25 MP and takes you completely out of the dungeon. The most powerful versions of ice, fire, and thunder cost 18, 30, and 35 MP respectively. And because DP's teleport took him to one of his lairs, using FF1 logic, it probably would have taken many more MP than "Exit", probably even higher than Thundaga.
As for the "Light-magic" and "Dark-magic" topic... I'm not sure how much of magic is at base segregated, and how much of it is based on effects and a typical demon's mind set. As mentioned, demon culture is based around power. And because of the ability to make their skin turn "hard as diamonds", they don't need much in terms of protective spells. Thus it turns them more towards offensive spells. And at the same time, and race that has a tendency for violence would need to know how to use healing spells, otherwise there probably be a lot fewer demons. However, the spell groupings (base on effects) will always be put into "light magic" and "dark magic" groupings by the ignorant masses (or not so ignorant masses if it turns out there is actually a difference in the energies that create magic). However, I'm standing behind my belief that (to continue using FF1 as a base) all magic is based on the universal constant of MP, and the classes black mage, white mage, and red mage are all just categories created by their magical focus of studies, not power source.
... and sorry for being so wordy ;)
Quote from: Kenway975 on March 30, 2009, 07:06:54 AM
As for the "Light-magic" and "Dark-magic" topic... I'm not sure how much of magic is at base segregated, and how much of it is based on effects and a typical demon's mind set.
It's not all in the mind. Angels and Demons are oriented around different types of magic, as documented in the Demonology. What this actually means is unclear, though.
plus, i'm sure there's many demons who will argue that the best offense is a good defense. kria certainly seems to think so, in the way she was booby-trapping her house.
i think that most demons probably also realize that overspecialisation leads to glaring weaknesses. focus only on attack magic and leave your physical form frail and you've left yourself open (DP obviously is aware of this). focus only on hurling violent spells and slashing your enemy up, and you leave yourself prettymuch screwed for when your enemy gets lucky and lands a hit.
it's the same mechanics in all fighting. chances are if you focus only on the attack, you're going to leave yourself wide open and get your butt kicked.
as was illustrated over the last few pages by dan's ragefit. healing magic for demons, i think, would be perceived as an ASPECT of power (you still hold someone's life in your hands) and not a sign of weakness.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 30, 2009, 04:38:15 AM
Quote from: jeffh4 on March 30, 2009, 03:37:17 AM
While it's feasible that DP succumbed to shock just a few seconds after he teleported, it's more likely that ate up the last of his reserves.
Either way, it makes his eloquent speeches all the more impressive.
Well, your the one voicing DP in the radio show, so you've just set yourself a ridiculously high standard. Start practicing! :)
Quote from: jeffh4 on March 30, 2009, 09:17:21 AM
Well, your the one voicing DP in the radio show, so you've just set yourself a ridiculously high standard. Start practicing! :)
Actually it puts me in a bit of a quandry as to whether he should sound like he's fine and then suddenly goes "whump" or whether there should be any indication in the delivery that he's actually quite badly injured.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 30, 2009, 09:20:43 AM
Quote from: jeffh4 on March 30, 2009, 09:17:21 AM
Well, your the one voicing DP in the radio show, so you've just set yourself a ridiculously high standard. Start practicing! :)
Actually it puts me in a bit of a quandry as to whether he should sound like he's fine and then suddenly goes "whump" or whether there should be any indication in the delivery that he's actually quite badly injured.
I doubt DP would show signs of being weakened in front of his enemy.. or in front of anybody, for that matter, so I doubt there should be any indication that he is injured or something in his voice.
Maybe he's playing dead so he doesn't have to listen to Regina blather :P
He only "fainted" after she started talking
... I'm inclined to suggest a small tremor. Something subtle.
After all, it's not like Regina noticed it. More to the point, Kria didn't notice it either. Or, at least, not to mention it.
Quote from: Tsunari on March 30, 2009, 01:59:10 AM
Seems that Regina would be hard to understand in normal conversations. Wonder if she is aware of punctuation.
Perhaps she is speaking in ancient Greek. :P
If that were the case, she'd be speaking in caps.
It looks like he might have used some sort of device to do the teleport? That thing over his head? So he might have been 'out of mana' and still teleported using an escape thingie built into the house itself.
I'm sure everybody, be it creatures or beings, that has learned at least the basic in magic know healing spells.
As for demons having healing spells I understand it sounds weird, but don't forget that even if they have a tendency to dark magic, we've seen demons using elemental magic as well... Besides we're not even sure that the healing is actually light magic, it could be anything
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 30, 2009, 09:20:43 AM
Quote from: jeffh4 on March 30, 2009, 09:17:21 AM
Well, your the one voicing DP in the radio show, so you've just set yourself a ridiculously high standard. Start practicing! :)
Actually it puts me in a bit of a quandry as to whether he should sound like he's fine and then suddenly goes "whump" or whether there should be any indication in the delivery that he's actually quite badly injured.
Sonorous tones (he has his pride, after all) but more stops for breathing, maybe two or three breaths at a time instead of just one.
With regards,
Ted
Seems Dan got in rather more significant damage than DBF was allowing to show (though his screaming was a good indicator of more than minor wounds). However, I think his current state comes from inflicted damage plus energy expended in battle plus very low post-resurrection energy levels. He's a really good bluffer though.
Regina still has *no* grasp of any objective reality or sense of proportion -- though it's promising that she's actually worried about Kria, for a few seconds anyway. A very good comic to break with until Friday.
I'd like to think this means that Danny boy hasn't lost his adventuring touch since the last time he fought Uncle Aliph. Personally I think if he'd been a little less out of it from encountering his two arch enemies totally unexpected and getting smacked in the face Aliph would have passed out earlier.
Though I'm less worried about who can beat up who then I am about the wacky hijinks that will ensue now that Lorenda has a 'boyfriend'. >:3
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on March 30, 2009, 01:25:01 PM
If that were the case, she'd be speaking in caps.
Maybe she's speaking in ancient Greek, but isn't very fluent. :P
Quote from: Tsunari on March 30, 2009, 01:59:10 AM
Seems that Regina would be hard to understand in normal conversations. Wonder if she is aware of punctuation.
Actually, she is aware of punctuation- I counted three periods, two question marks, and one apostrophe (if I remember the name correctly). No, her problem is talking at (to slightly quote a movie) "ludicrous speed". It also seems like she would be a perfect candidate for a corset (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_763.php), due to her "apparent" lack of needing to take a breath while talking.
I just archive dived. The shots in this comic so far don't look anything like shots of the two castles shown... but maybe this is a different part of it?
I'm inclined to think it's one of the other two places Dark Pegasus has holed up.
Was checking to see if there was a new comic (I do it every do for all of the 40+ comics I read) and, call me dirty minded, but I noticed that the hands of the little guy on regina's shirt were in an odd place :x
Quote from: Hanii Puppy on March 31, 2009, 11:40:17 AM
Was checking to see if there was a new comic (I do it every do for all of the 40+ comics I read) and, call me dirty minded, but I noticed that the hands of the little guy on regina's shirt were in an odd place :x
Yes, that was noticed, commented upon, and gargled over ad nauseum a couple of weeks ago when it first appeared.
And it's a girl. Foxy Tangerine.
I know this is off the topic but, I got two friends from school to check out the comic a few weeks ago and they told me that the got viruses afterwards. I didn't get one but, I think that's because I use my Wii to go online. I was wondering if anyone else got a virus after checking the comic. (And I'm not blaming Amber)
not i. and i run a pretty tight ship.
i'm more willing to bet your friends had a virus on their computer from before, lying dormant, and just happened to kick in after viewing the comic.
Quote from: Hanii Puppy on March 31, 2009, 11:40:17 AM
Was checking to see if there was a new comic (I do it every do for all of the 40+ comics I read) and, call me dirty minded, but I noticed that the hands of the little guy on regina's shirt were in an odd place :x
That may have been on purpose, after all Regina seems like the type to buy clothes from Hot Topic and/or Spencer's Gifts, both of which have similar clothes.... or so I'm told.
And no, no virus.
Can't help you, Jack. My PC is so full of virii that it's basicly undead, held together by voodoo magic. :zombiekun2
Speaking of undead did you here about that computer thing being sent out at midnight?
Quote from: JackTheCubiFerret on March 31, 2009, 03:27:23 PM
Speaking of undead did you hear about that computer thing being sent out at midnight?
I believe that you are talking about Conflicker. It has been busy infecting machines for the past several months. However, it is apparently programmed to become active at midnight and await instructions. Nobody is quite sure what those instructions will be.
Quote from: JackTheCubiFerret on March 31, 2009, 03:16:55 PM
I know this is off the topic but, I got two friends from school to check out the comic a few weeks ago and they told me that the got viruses afterwards. I didn't get one but, I think that's because I use my Wii to go online. I was wondering if anyone else got a virus after checking the comic. (And I'm not blaming Amber)
I don't think Amber is likely to have any viruses. It's possible, of course, but Xepher runs a pretty tight ship, and you need to have some more complex code on your sight than what they actually have, for it to show up. Heck, you can turn off all javascript on Amber's site and the only bit that breaks is the link to Xepher's adverts, and not even all of those.
And since the server isn't running windows, it's kinda hard to get an ActiveX component on there to infect from.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on March 31, 2009, 11:47:30 AM
Quote from: Hanii Puppy on March 31, 2009, 11:40:17 AM
Was checking to see if there was a new comic (I do it every do for all of the 40+ comics I read) and, call me dirty minded, but I noticed that the hands of the little guy on regina's shirt were in an odd place :x
Yes, that was noticed, commented upon, and gargled over ad nauseum a couple of weeks ago when it first appeared.
And it's a girl. Foxy Tangerine.
I can't see that much detail, on my monitor it's too dark unless I increase the gamma in PSP7 or Gimp.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on March 31, 2009, 07:30:21 PM
I don't think Amber is likely to have any viruses. It's possible, of course, but Xepher runs a pretty tight ship, and you need to have some more complex code on your sight than what they actually have, for it to show up. Heck, you can turn off all javascript on Amber's site and the only bit that breaks is the link to Xepher's adverts, and not even all of those.
And since the server isn't running windows, it's kinda hard to get an ActiveX component on there to infect from.
translating for the computer illiterate...
if we were to think of a virus like an actual sickly virus and our personal computers like human beings, what you're describing is like catching the flu from a goldfish. goldfish can't carry the flu, let alone transmit it to us!
websites are little animals wandering the internet. yes sometimes they get sick and sometimes they die, but very very few can transmit diseases to the humans (our computers). those that can are usually larger and more complex in nature.
Some animals can be carriers and never be sick from the disease.
exactly. so SOME websites *can* give a virus...
but certainly not DMFA or xepher!
No virus here...
Hanii Puppy is right, though. Out of all the panels showing Regina, this one (the middle one) is the only one blatant enough for me to notice the hands. Well, also the last panels of 973, 972, 970, 967.
I have seen two main paths for attacks on the users of web servers.
The first is to attack the server itself through some sort of worm or other mechanism. In this case, the attacker would take partial or complete control of the server and use it to attack others. In some cases, control of the server by an attacker without it being apparent to the system administrators or users. To deal with this, we rely on those knights (system administrators) in shining armor, basically Xepher and associates. (This technique would also include volunteering or getting hired by those running the server and using the opportunity to place malicious code on the server.)
The other channel is to get the system administrator to place content on the web server that will execute malicious code on the user's systems. One way that this has been done in the past was by purchasing ads on the site and placing the malicious content in the ad. Since I don't see third party ads on the site, this would not appear to be a viable attack. Theoretically, submitted art work could contain malicious code, but this would not appear to be a practical attack.
The one viable attack that I can see would be to implant malicious code in the avatars on the forum or linked files that appear on the page. For example, I remember one forumite having a Quicktime file as his avatar. Quicktime files are viable attack routes, especially for Windows clients.
.. you can set your avatar as a quicktime file? Hrm. That seems... odd. And wrong.
O rly? I've seen some animated gifs.. but a quicktime file you say..
I didn't think that it was possible to have a quicktime gif...........
Buhamet, is it really necessary to post a response to every single thread in the last two weeks?
sorry
I'm used to forums where responses take place every 5 minutes.
That, and the various different topics generally interest me enough to get me to start asking questions, soooooooo
yeah, sorry for being interested in stuff
I don't have a problem with posts that actually have content. What I'm expressing distaste for are the posting similar, empty, contentless posts into the last 6 threads, at anywhere up to 2 weeks after the last post.
"Oh, hey, yeah" is not content. It's noise. The signal to noise ratio around here is bad enough already. Let's not add to it, huh?
Which is how I was when I first joined. By the way, did I mention I was reeeeeaaaaaallllllyy sorry about that.
I actually found a reference to a malicious JPEG file (Microsoft notice (http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS04-028.mspx)). It was due to a bug in the Microsoft code, but it doesn't look like it was ever fully exploited.