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Title: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on October 05, 2008, 07:36:15 PM
... after all, things are never that simple for Dan, are they? ;-]


"Uncle Aliph" just cracks me up, though.
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA#941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: MT Hazard on October 05, 2008, 07:42:17 PM
Funny, as soon as I saw this I imagined Dan using Fi send Lorenda away, but that's unlikely to happen, given Dan has probably used up all his competence for the moment.

Also, the first two times? Has Dan killed him before? I know he's thwarted him a few times but did he kill him each of those times?

Edit: Grammar and I have a difficult relationship

Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA#941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Naldru on October 05, 2008, 07:46:45 PM
I think that they said that Dan killed him on the second encounter.  (The one with the spork incident.)  That also raises the question as to whether Kria knows that Dan is the one that killed Dark Pegasus.
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA#941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Angel on October 05, 2008, 07:47:00 PM
O____O

Wait... what... bu...

Oh, crap.

So now Dan has to explain that "Biggs" sent him to kill DP (for the third or fourth time), and then of course somehow they'll figure out that it was Dee, and then Dee will have to explain why she wants DP dead, and then goddammit family feuds aren't worth the headache. How many more plot twists like this are we gonna get, anyway? What next, Aniz shows up at Lost Lake and reveals that Abel and Dan are brothers? (Or is that a little TOO far-fetched? Is anything too far-fetched in this comic?)

At the same time, tee-dee-hee-dee-hee-dee-hee. Funtime with awkward and pummelings all around.  >:3
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA#941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: MT Hazard on October 05, 2008, 07:51:07 PM
My next prediction is that Dan will ask if Aliph looks like (description of DP)
Lorenda will say, 'oh, do you know him?' Dan will respond 'yes, as dark pegasus, he killed one of my friends' 

Awkward...
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA#941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Dagardo on October 05, 2008, 07:55:13 PM
Quote from: Black_angel on October 05, 2008, 07:47:00 PM
Is anything too far-fetched in this comic?

As an answer to that question, all I can say is something I've said before, It's up to Amber... you probably already knew that and I feel like a broken record. And if Dan is going to try and kill DP again I wonder how Kria would react, learning that it's Dans fault hes dead in the first place.
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA#941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Zedd on October 05, 2008, 07:59:38 PM
Maybe it's always bad when the family comes together like this...
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA#941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Hellcat on October 05, 2008, 08:00:18 PM
wow.... I had a dream about this happening once... DP being Kria's brother....
What kind of world is this where my dreams become reality?!

Although there was that time I dreamt I was ruler of the universe... This could work
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA#941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Alterationartist on October 05, 2008, 08:23:16 PM
OH
MAH
GAWD!
That sucks ass.
You know what this means of course:
One way or another, Dan isgoing to have to fight Kria. One way to stop her from reviving DP. Another way after Dan hopefully defeats DP, likely within Kria's sight. A thrid way if or when:
-Dan reveals himself as DP's repeated killer.
-Dan reveals to be sent by Biggs.

It's. Gonna. happen.
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA#941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Noone on October 05, 2008, 08:26:36 PM
Quote from: Black_angel on October 05, 2008, 07:47:00 PM
So now Dan has to explain that "Biggs" sent him to kill DP (for the third or fourth time), and then of course somehow they'll figure out that it was Dee, and then Dee will have to explain why she wants DP dead, and then goddammit family feuds aren't worth the headache.
I actually think that Biggs sent Dan there so that Biggs could have him killed, Dan can take Dark Pegasus on his own, but he was beaten by Biggs(though that was more of a brawl than a lethal fight). Still, I think he would be a bit outmatched by D.P, Biggs, and Kria all at once, though I have to wonder what Lorenda would say about this. There aren't *too* many strips with Dan and Lorenda with each other, though it is implied that they are at least friends, hence her giving him some fire essence thingamajig in strip 273 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_273.php). Still, I would imagine if Dan were in that much trouble then Fi would just teleport him out, unless that gets complicated with 3 people trying to kill him.
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA#941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Tapewolf on October 05, 2008, 08:32:52 PM
Woah.  At least we now know who was resurrecting him.  The 'how' should be interesting, if we get that far.

Ordinarily I'd say that Lorenda and Kria would have a problem with Dan killing 'Uncle Aliph', but they are Demons and Kria - at least - seems to be a traditionalist.  If so, she might just like the fact that Dan keeps slaying him, because it proves he's harder than DP.
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA#941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Angel on October 05, 2008, 08:43:44 PM
Quote from: Dagardo on October 05, 2008, 07:55:13 PM
Quote from: Black_angel on October 05, 2008, 07:47:00 PM
Is anything too far-fetched in this comic?

As an answer to that question, all I can say is something I've said before, It's up to Amber... you probably already knew that and I feel like a broken record. And if Dan is going to try and kill DP again I wonder how Kria would react, learning that it's Dans fault hes dead in the first place.

Yeah, that was really a rhetorical question.

Here's one that's not: why do you guys think Kria took the dirt, anyway? (Sudden images of Kria with a jar of dirt doing the Jack Sparrow dance) XD
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA#941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Noone on October 05, 2008, 08:48:32 PM
Well, quoting from the demonology on Demons...
QuoteBecause of this, most demons don't have a real notion of revenge or vengeance if one of their own kind is slain. After all, by their own belief system, if someone is able to defeat them, that other creature or being is obviously worthy.
Of course, it also says:
Quote. Most demons seem to share a sense of family and will often band together for long periods of time. Even afterwards demons seem to share a lot more close ties to their kin.
If Biggs is invited to the show though, it's certainly plausable that he set him up, considering how Biggs is.. While it says demons don't have a real notion of revenge or vengeance, I'm pretty sure that there is an exception when a demon tries to gauge his own death. It's hard for me to envision the subsequent encounter without a fight, though of course Fi could just get Dan out of there if anything goes horribly.
I also take it from Kria's crankiness that Resurrections are a costly procedure, very few fantasy systems I have seen make such things trivial.  
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA#941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Dagardo on October 05, 2008, 08:51:52 PM
Quote from: Black_angel on October 05, 2008, 08:43:44 PM
Quote from: Dagardo on October 05, 2008, 07:55:13 PM
Quote from: Black_angel on October 05, 2008, 07:47:00 PM
Is anything too far-fetched in this comic?

As an answer to that question, all I can say is something I've said before, It's up to Amber... you probably already knew that and I feel like a broken record. And if Dan is going to try and kill DP again I wonder how Kria would react, learning that it's Dans fault hes dead in the first place.

Yeah, that was really a rhetorical question.

Here's one that's not: why do you guys think Kria took the dirt, anyway? (Sudden images of Kria with a jar of dirt doing the Jack Sparrow dance) XD

It makes sense now that you mention it, I cant really tell what with this being a forum and all, but like I say, it's Amber's comic, she can do whatever the f*** she wants to it. We have little to no say in the matter. We are simply spectators. As for Kria taking the dirt, I really have no idea.
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA#941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Naldru on October 05, 2008, 08:59:23 PM
I'm getting a little confused by some of the responses.  Biggs didn't send Dan, nor did Biggs beat up on Dan.  It was Destania disguised as Biggs who did these things (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_873.php).  Also, it should be noted that Kria wanted Biggs to send some goons.  Maybe Kria is getting tired of resurrecting Dark Pegasus and wants Dark Pegasus to stop trying to resurrect the dark god.  (After all, the only person who has been doing any resurrecting is Kria.)

Concerning the idea of Aniz showing up and Dan and Abel learning that they are brothers, that has already been discussed in detail in multiple threads of this forum.  By the way, I have changed my mind concerning the possibility of Devin and Abel being brothers.  If Aniz did have a multiple personality disorder, my arguments against that situation have lost much of their strength.  However, I still have a gut feel that Abel and Devin are not related. With regard to the possibility of Dan and Abel being related, all I can say is that Amber reminds me of some songz by Chubby Checker: "The Twist" and "Let's Twist Again".
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA#941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: AmigaDragon on October 05, 2008, 09:01:05 PM
Quote from: The1Kobra on October 05, 2008, 08:26:36 PM
Quote from: Black_angel on October 05, 2008, 07:47:00 PM
So now Dan has to explain that "Biggs" sent him to kill DP (for the third or fourth time), and then of course somehow they'll figure out that it was Dee, and then Dee will have to explain why she wants DP dead, and then goddammit family feuds aren't worth the headache.
I actually think that Biggs sent Dan there so that Biggs could have him killed, Dan can take Dark Pegasus on his own, but he was beaten by Biggs(though that was more of a brawl than a lethal fight).

But remember, the "Biggs" that sent Dan to get DP was really Destania (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_873.php)
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA#941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Turnsky on October 05, 2008, 10:23:43 PM
bloody hell, i did call it.

Quote from: Turnsky on October 01, 2008, 04:45:35 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on October 01, 2008, 04:11:30 AM
Ohhhh.   So the horse-eating-a-dragon statue wasn't anything to do with DP.... it's Kria's house?  That makes sense.  She just might have some kind of kinship with DP, both being evil horse demons and all...

i'm guessing either ancestor, or more likely, brother.
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA#941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: icarus on October 05, 2008, 10:26:30 PM
Quote from: Naldru on October 05, 2008, 08:59:23 PM
...If Aniz did have a multiple personality disorder, my arguments against that situation have lost much of their strength.  However, I still have a gut feel that Abel and Devin are not related. ...

THIS is the latest popular theory?
time to quit the forum again, before manditory beatings with the DSM-IV begin.
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA#941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Corgatha Taldorthar on October 05, 2008, 10:45:54 PM
I'm not saying this is probable, but we should at least consider that "Uncle Aliph" is not DP.


We know Destiana disguised as Biggs sends Dan to Address, telling him that it's time to stop DP from being resurrected. Now if Dest has no compunction about hiding her identity from her son, by posing as Biggs, it doesn't seem to far fetched that she'd lie and use a story that is likely to send Dan running thither. I'm not sure what  Destiana could get from getting Dan over there if it isn't DP, but I just wanted to air the possibility that DP won't show up at all. I mean, it brings up things like, why would Biggs (Real biggs, Dest/Biggs?) want to attend DP's resurrection?

Nah, the more I think about it though, the more it seems that DP is Uncle Aliph. Wonder how Dan is going to take this.



P.S. and if this was discussed somewhere else or is a taboo, I'm apologizing in advance. We have statements from Dan and Alexsi that Destiana is "Mom's maiden name" and that it apparantly wasn't used much at wherever they grew up, since Dan isn't familiar with the name. Now Dan isn't a genius, but I don't think he's quite *that* stupid. Which brings to mind what was Destiana called in the Ti'Fiona household, and why she's gone back to using her own name.
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA#941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Aurawyn on October 05, 2008, 10:51:43 PM
Oh.. Sh!t...

That means Kira.. and DP.. and Lorenda..

Oh my...
I did not see that one coming.. Tho I probably should have the moment Lorenda was there.
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA#941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Gamma on October 05, 2008, 11:03:46 PM
Hmm. Somehow that eluded me too. But I did get some strange vibe of Kria talking with him in this comic (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_932.php). I tend to over think and don't follow my gut though. The style clothing does match along with the attitude, specially that.

Whoop! Amber updated the Cast pages for Kria and DP! No more guessing!  :U (http://www.missmab.com/Cast/dp.php)

In Abel's story I wouldn't be too surprised if DP was her instructor (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_69.php) back in the day.

Kria is probably expecting Biggs himself to show up to stop the resurrecting, or a high level mook. Destiana may not have been lying about the fouling up his plans.

So more of the spectrum of awkward, how fun!
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA#941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Turnsky on October 05, 2008, 11:04:22 PM
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on October 05, 2008, 10:45:54 PM
I'm not saying this is probable, but we should at least consider that "Uncle Aliph" is not DP.


http://www.missmab.com/Cast/dp.php

http://www.missmab.com/Cast/kria.php

either we're largely ignorant, or amber pulled a fast one on us... i'm going for both... Tricksies, Amber.. Tricksies..  :U
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA#941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Ghostwish on October 05, 2008, 11:07:09 PM
Very nicely done Amber, you just keep the heaping servings of awkward coming and coming. XD

Quote from: icarus on October 05, 2008, 10:26:30 PM
Quote from: Naldru on October 05, 2008, 08:59:23 PM
...If Aniz did have a multiple personality disorder, my arguments against that situation have lost much of their strength.  However, I still have a gut feel that Abel and Devin are not related. ...

THIS is the latest popular theory?
time to quit the forum again, before manditory beatings with the DSM-IV begin.

Oh you wouldn't believe it. Bunch of idiots around here have it in their skulls that Aniz managed to kill edward and father Dan. The theory holds water about as well as the titanic keeps it out. It's just a pathetic attempt to find some ground for some even more pathetic fanfics. XD

But Lorenda? Dark P's NIECE? Bwehehehehe!!! That's just too rich.
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA#941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Naldru on October 05, 2008, 11:09:44 PM
Quote from: icarus on October 05, 2008, 10:26:30 PM
Quote from: Naldru on October 05, 2008, 08:59:23 PM
...If Aniz did have a multiple personality disorder, my arguments against that situation have lost much of their strength.  However, I still have a gut feel that Abel and Devin are not related. ...

THIS is the latest popular theory?
time to quit the forum again, before manditory beatings with the DSM-IV begin.
This isn't the latest theory, and I certainly can't say that it's a popular theory.  The number of theories on this forum is roughly the number of readers times two.

*****

Ghostwish, I resemble that remark.  Besides, jumping to conclusions is the only exercise I get.

At least it's not as bad as theory that Aniz was the entire faculty of SAIA (including Fa'lina) using various disguises.    (I think that one was being facetious, but around here you can never be certain.)
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA#941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Corgatha Taldorthar on October 05, 2008, 11:21:43 PM
More mulling. Either Kria is expecting the Real Biggs, or is expecting someone posing as Biggs (most likely Destiana).

Either way, this real/fake Biggs is almost certainly there to either help or hinder.


If it's Destiana, and it's there to interfere, I can't believe she'd announce her imminent presence. She seems too much of a schemer to do things in a "Grand Style" If it's really Biggs there to hinder, he might be concerned with image enough to announce his coming to stop, but it seems kinda suicidal. Personally, I think Kria or Lorenda would be enough to eat him alive, and somehow I don't think Dan would do much to stop them. If it's some third party imposter, it raises the question of why they would iwant to impersonate Biggs and why they would know about the ressurection at all..

Now, if we assume that whomever is coming, whether it be Biggs or an imposter, is there to help, than obviously the announcing their presence makes sense. Of course, that raises the question as to what these people would be here to do. I'm not sure what's involved in resurrection in Furrae, but it strikes me that you'd need a fair bit of magic. You also might need some sort of legal work, but that's an assumption.

The real Biggs doesn't strike me as much use for actually performing the resurrection, but I do hold that he's on the Creature Council, and might be there to lend some sort of authority/legitimacy to the whole ressurection process, which might ordinarily get some sort of opposition, given who DP is and what he's done.

I don't know what sort of legal standing Destiana has. Probably none. If she's there, it's probably to either aid in the magic department to bring up DP, or as pthe next stage in whatever her plan is for Dan. To me, it's a tossup, maybe a slight leaning to Destiana being there. If it really is Biggs though, you can be sure that Destiana coached him enough so that he doesn't blow her cover as posing for him earlier.

Meh. A longwinded way of saying "I don't really know what's happening!"
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA#941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Gamma on October 05, 2008, 11:31:30 PM
Actually I feel dumb. In the very first panel in the very first bubble, Kria asks "Ooh! Who is it honey? Did Biggs finally send some goons?"
So, again I feel dumb. :B
Me and several of us completely skipped that. Probably in our rush to see the rest of the comic and process it's twist. Although I still think that's no excuse.
And some of us have managed to go further and get the impression she's expecting Biggs for help. She hates Biggs as the twink group entity for being late trying to stop her. Gotta even plan for the interruptions.
So yet again, I feel dumb. :<
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA#941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Sirius Griffon on October 05, 2008, 11:33:19 PM
Wow, just wow. I so did NOT see that coming Ill admit. *Grins* This can only get better. Well or us anyways. Much, MUCH worse for Dan I fear.
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA#941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: tiggertoo on October 05, 2008, 11:52:22 PM
Heh, poor Dan -- now it's all "teh awkward". It's going to totally throw off his mojo.

Since Destania sent him (as Biggs of course), I'm wondering if the real Biggs knows about any of this yet. She certainly didn't tell Biggs here: http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_873.php (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_873.php)  However, I couldn't say what Destania's game plan might be if this is so.

Kria may be depending on Biggs to send his goons to stop her to give her a handy free source of sacrifices to do the resurrection spell (assuming it needs such - which seems very likely to me) - or maybe just free snacks (perhaps she always gets hungry when she gets nervous and stressed). Kria leaks the DP resurrection rumor, Biggs sends goons -- sorta like going to the neighbors to borrow some eggs to make a cake.
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Lowde on October 06, 2008, 12:00:20 AM
This made me wonder if it was Kria the one with DP in here (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_932.php),
but can't be her because of the fur pattern
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: GabrielsThoughts on October 06, 2008, 12:18:32 AM
oooh I had it so wrong I though he was related to Lorenda's father
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Zedd on October 06, 2008, 12:19:04 AM
I am guessing Amber's reactions is probably like this right now...  :U then  :mwaha
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Don on October 06, 2008, 12:40:09 AM

Huh..well thats interesting.

Maby Dp won't die again this time, maby he'll actually just give up and live normally..doubtful, but here's hoping.
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: AmigaDragon on October 06, 2008, 02:11:31 AM
Quote from: Lowde on October 06, 2008, 12:00:20 AM
This made me wonder if it was Kria the one with DP in here (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_932.php),
but can't be her because of the fur pattern

You saw enough fur there to detect a pattern? And in shadows, how can you even be sure of color. And besides, fur that might otherwise be exposed in the frame might instead be covered by clothing. Unless Amber breaks down and tells us, we'll probably never find out who it was. And it doesn't really matter.
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Lowde on October 06, 2008, 03:12:37 AM
Quote from: AmigaDragon on October 06, 2008, 02:11:31 AMYou saw enough fur there to detect a pattern? And in shadows, how can you even be sure of color. And besides, fur that might otherwise be exposed in the frame might instead be covered by clothing. Unless Amber breaks down and tells us, we'll probably never find out who it was. And it doesn't really matter.

You can see the elbow... Although it's true it may be cloth... In fact it's likely to be cloth... Maybe it is Kria after all
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Kipiru on October 06, 2008, 04:03:56 AM
I guess this time we can say we saw that coming, but still I think we didn't belive it till we saw the strip. Cool turnout  :mwaha
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Feather Dancer on October 06, 2008, 04:13:38 AM
DP's real name amuses me. I've wondered in the past if there was a connection, slightly biased due to those being the only two demon mares/demon pegasus we're aware of but hey lookie there. I should listen to myself more D:
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA#941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Tapewolf on October 06, 2008, 04:32:22 AM
One thing that puzzles me is how Lorenda seems ignorant of the fact that it was Dan wot dun it.  Kria must know, not only because she was at the Evil Beach Party when the other Creatures were gossiping, but also by simple expedient of the fact that DP is liable to tell her who killed him.  Even if he doesn't volunteer the information, she is likely to ask, is she not?

I'm not sure we've seen a panel which has both Kria and Dan in the same page, but surely Lorenda is liable to tell her mother who she hangs out with, at least in passing.
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on October 06, 2008, 05:01:49 AM
Possibly.

On the other hand, "Dan" isn't necessarily "Daniel Ti'Fiona"; I can see it slipping by for some time, and given the somewhat strained relationship, it wouldn't surprise me if "Lorenda's friend Danny" and "That Daniel sod who keeps killing my brother" don't meet in Kria's head.


Yet.
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Tapewolf on October 06, 2008, 05:15:29 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on October 06, 2008, 05:01:49 AM
On the other hand, "Dan" isn't necessarily "Daniel Ti'Fiona"; I can see it slipping by for some time, and given the somewhat strained relationship, it wouldn't surprise me if "Lorenda's friend Danny" and "That Daniel sod who keeps killing my brother" don't meet in Kria's head.
Perhaps.  On the other hand, "Dan the Incubus" is going to narrow it down significantly.
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on October 06, 2008, 05:22:56 AM
Last Dark Peg heard, Dan wasn't an Incubus; just an Adventurer.
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Tapewolf on October 06, 2008, 05:27:20 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on October 06, 2008, 05:22:56 AM
Last Dark Peg heard, Dan wasn't an Incubus; just an Adventurer.

And winged son of the succubus Destania.
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on October 06, 2008, 05:52:32 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on October 06, 2008, 05:27:20 AM
And winged son of the succubus Destania.

... it's not clear from that single quote that DP is aware that Dan == The Guy Wot Keeps Killing Me == Destania's Son.

_We_ know, but we don't know that DP knows.
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA#941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Emerauld Drathmir on October 06, 2008, 06:20:10 AM
Quote from: Black_angel on October 05, 2008, 08:43:44 PM
Quote from: Dagardo on October 05, 2008, 07:55:13 PM
Quote from: Black_angel on October 05, 2008, 07:47:00 PM
Is anything too far-fetched in this comic?

As an answer to that question, all I can say is something I've said before, It's up to Amber... you probably already knew that and I feel like a broken record. And if Dan is going to try and kill DP again I wonder how Kria would react, learning that it's Dans fault hes dead in the first place.

Yeah, that was really a rhetorical question.

Here's one that's not: why do you guys think Kria took the dirt, anyway? (Sudden images of Kria with a jar of dirt doing the Jack Sparrow dance) XD
*coffeesnerk*  I hate you.

"I've gotta jar of di-irt, and guess what's inside it!"
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: silentassassin on October 06, 2008, 06:32:47 AM
"a dead body"
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Tycoon on October 06, 2008, 06:45:21 AM
If all these hydra style plots point to one thing, it is that we've got a convoluted mess on our hands that highly resembles a declaration of war in the Balkans.


And the 2nd panel shot of Lorenda is superb, too.
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Lucheek on October 06, 2008, 07:10:17 AM
Kra-bam!

I was blind sided. o-o

...also, hasn't Kria met Dan already? Huh
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: silentassassin on October 06, 2008, 07:17:25 AM
You know what, I am fairly sure he has not.
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Psaakyrn on October 06, 2008, 07:40:51 AM
I'm still of the opinion that Destinia sent him there not really to kill DP.

And that Regina is somehow related to Lorenda's family and possibly about to make an appearance.

And I don't think Kria would be THAT angry, considering the whole "the strong will survive" point. More likely she'd be agasp at DP for falling to Dan all this while.
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: ANTIcarrot on October 06, 2008, 07:47:23 AM
That bloody lion with the blue wings and red dress... Names aside, that's quite a damning description from Dan's Point of View. Then again it wouldn't take too much for Dan to get out of trouble.
"Say, you look familiar..."
"Hey! That's a really well drawn pentagram!"
"You think so? Wow! Thank you!"

And if Dan is (for once) a little bit clever, this will be a good opportunity to learn *how* DP keeps coming back to life.

And we get to learn if Dan's curse worked. Will DP be permanently bared from eating cookies? Are cookies important during the resurrection ceremony? :)
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Pheonix-IV on October 06, 2008, 08:01:01 AM
Good potential for funny here:

"Ah, Kria sister, thank- What the hell is he doing here?"

:)
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Ghostwish on October 06, 2008, 08:32:59 AM
Quote from: Pheonix-IV on October 06, 2008, 08:01:01 AM
Good potential for funny here:

"Ah, Kria sister, thank- What the hell is he doing here?"

:)

About a billion sitcoms started playing in my head..

"What the hell is he doing here?"

"Uncle! We're engaged!"

".... and you brought me back to life, WHY?"
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA#941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Noone on October 06, 2008, 08:54:54 AM
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on October 05, 2008, 11:21:43 PM
I don't know what sort of legal standing Destiana has. Probably none. If she's there, it's probably to either aid in the magic department to bring up DP, or as the next stage in whatever her plan is for Dan. To me, it's a tossup, maybe a slight leaning to Destiana being there. If it really is Biggs though, you can be sure that Destiana coached him enough so that he doesn't blow her cover as posing for him earlier.
As far as legal standings go... I'm quite certain she is on the creature council, I think Destania is the shadowy figure in panel 2 of strip 367 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_367.php). It's possible that she is not, or that she is posing as Biggs in the previous panel, but considering the shape of the head-wings, it's possible she (and Biggs too) are on the council.
And of course, considering how D.P created the undead, I don't think the council is very fond of him, but that is just a hunch and not based upon anything concrete.
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Mao on October 06, 2008, 09:01:10 AM
Ok.. something doesn't quite mesh up and from the seems of it you've all noticed it..  But Kria is expecting Biggs to send goons and it almost seems like her plans hinge on it.  Why else would she be so concerned about how late it is and she still hasn't seen any goons.

Now that said it could be that she's just worried that they'll show up at a critical point, but to me it seems like she was counting on it... which could be unpleasant for our dear Danny boy here.
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Tapewolf on October 06, 2008, 09:09:34 AM
Quote from: Mowser on October 06, 2008, 09:01:10 AM
Ok.. something doesn't quite mesh up and from the seems of it you've all noticed it..  But Kria is expecting Biggs to send goons and it almost seems like her plans hinge on it.  Why else would she be so concerned about how late it is and she still hasn't seen any goons.
Maybe they need sacrifices to power the ritual.  It would be kind of warped if it was the very fact that Biggs was sending his goons to them which made the thing possible.
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Corgatha Taldorthar on October 06, 2008, 10:03:37 AM
I'm pretty sure that Kria was planning on Biggs sending goons, and of coming himself. Why else would she be worried about him being late? As for being necessary to power the ritual, unless one of you knows something I don't, it seems too early to tell what sort of artifice is necessary to do it.

Occam's razor would state something like she simply watns the goons for protection against random adventerurs (like Dan) from interrupting her. Although that does seem a bit odd for Kria of all people.......


This Creature Council thing has piqued my interest a little. Should I continue discussing it here or split off a thread?
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Mao on October 06, 2008, 10:10:31 AM
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on October 06, 2008, 10:03:37 AM
I'm pretty sure that Kria was planning on Biggs sending goons, and of coming himself. Why else would she be worried about him being late? As for being necessary to power the ritual, unless one of you knows something I don't, it seems too early to tell what sort of artifice is necessary to do it.

Occam's razor would state something like she simply watns the goons for protection against random adventerurs (like Dan) from interrupting her. Although that does seem a bit odd for Kria of all people.......


This Creature Council thing has piqued my interest a little. Should I continue discussing it here or split off a thread?

Only problem with that is that Destania works for/with Biggs.  Not to say that she isn't smart enough or without her own will and motivation to send Dan out to do something Biggs might not be down with, but it doesn't seem likely to me.
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on October 06, 2008, 10:53:25 AM
Quote from: Mowser on October 06, 2008, 10:10:31 AM
Only problem with that is that Destania works for/with Biggs.  Not to say that she isn't smart enough or without her own will and motivation to send Dan out to do something Biggs might not be down with, but it doesn't seem likely to me.

What, plans within plans?

You can't see Desty messing with Biggs' plans, even if only in a small way?
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA#941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Angel on October 06, 2008, 11:20:18 AM
Quote from: The1Kobra on October 06, 2008, 08:54:54 AM
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on October 05, 2008, 11:21:43 PM
I don't know what sort of legal standing Destiana has. Probably none. If she's there, it's probably to either aid in the magic department to bring up DP, or as the next stage in whatever her plan is for Dan. To me, it's a tossup, maybe a slight leaning to Destiana being there. If it really is Biggs though, you can be sure that Destiana coached him enough so that he doesn't blow her cover as posing for him earlier.
As far as legal standings go... I'm quite certain she is on the creature council, I think Destania is the shadowy figure in panel 2 of strip 367 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_367.php). It's possible that she is not, or that she is posing as Biggs in the previous panel, but considering the shape of the head-wings, it's possible she (and Biggs too) are on the council.
And of course, considering how D.P created the undead, I don't think the council is very fond of him, but that is just a hunch and not based upon anything concrete.

EDIT: A brief glimpse into Angel's day.

11:30 : Reads this comic (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_366.php) and mistakenly believes that her newfound discovery hasn't been mentioned yet.

12:30 : Reads through Hybrids #14 thread and feels stupid.

12:34 : Realizes that "newfound discovery" is an oxymoron.

12:54 : Realizes that it is in fact, a redundancy, not an oxymoron.

Okay, NOW I'm done.

:B
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Tapewolf on October 06, 2008, 11:29:18 AM
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on October 06, 2008, 10:03:37 AM
As for being necessary to power the ritual, unless one of you knows something I don't, it seems too early to tell what sort of artifice is necessary to do it.
DP's ritual to resurrect the Dark God called for the souls of Queen Hollyann, and Mab (notwithstanding that Fae souls are different).  It's not a great stretch to imagine that resurrecting DP requires soul energy to achieve.  Obviously I'm just guessing and/or going by something that may have been retconned.
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: BarGamer on October 06, 2008, 12:43:14 PM
Quote from: Ghostwish on October 06, 2008, 08:32:59 AM
Quote from: Pheonix-IV on October 06, 2008, 08:01:01 AM
Good potential for funny here:

"Ah, Kria sister, thank- What the hell is he doing here?"

:)

About a billion sitcoms started playing in my head..

"What the hell is he doing here?"

"Uncle! We're engaged!"

".... and you brought me back to life, WHY?"

*Cues this scene  (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_446.php)again. Watches Kria and DP's heads explode.*
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: silentassassin on October 06, 2008, 02:51:19 PM
I think cookies will be involved in the resurection process. I mean what else has the mystical powers strong enough to make someone rise from the dead.
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Kipiru on October 06, 2008, 03:24:06 PM
Quote from: silentassassin on October 06, 2008, 02:51:19 PM
I think cookies will be involved in the resurection process. I mean what else has the mystical powers strong enough to make someone rise from the dead.

The Muffin Of Doom, what else  :doommuffin
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Aleolus on October 06, 2008, 06:23:12 PM
O.o  This will not turn out well, I just know it.  <.<  Dark Pegasus as Lorenda's uncle, Dan comes in to kill DP...yeah, this will be bad >.>
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: AmigaDragon on October 06, 2008, 06:45:42 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on October 06, 2008, 05:22:56 AM
Last Dark Peg heard, Dan wasn't an Incubus; just an Adventurer.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on October 06, 2008, 05:52:32 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on October 06, 2008, 05:27:20 AM
And winged son of the succubus Destania.

... it's not clear from that single quote that DP is aware that Dan == The Guy Wot Keeps Killing Me == Destania's Son.

_We_ know, but we don't know that DP knows.

The last we saw of DP regarding Dan was #388 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_388.php) which only indicates that Destania had a son, not who that son is. And there's no indication of when he got that news, whether shortly after the birth or shortly after Aary found out (but wasn't DP already dead again by that time?) the mother-son relationship (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_296.php).

Quote from: Aleolus on October 06, 2008, 06:23:12 PM
O.o  This will not turn out well, I just know it.  <.<  Dark Pegasus as Lorenda's uncle, Dan comes in to kill DP...yeah, this will be bad >.>
With the timing right, Dan doesn't have to kill DP again, just prevent the ritual from working.
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Corgatha Taldorthar on October 06, 2008, 06:57:31 PM
Besides, what's the worst that could happen? If things get ugly, I imagine that Fi could teleport Dan to safety before Kria would rip his head off.
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Dagardo on October 06, 2008, 06:59:45 PM
Yeah, if Dan remembers that Fi can do that for him.
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Corgatha Taldorthar on October 06, 2008, 07:17:19 PM
Would Fi wait for permission if he saw Dan getting clobbered? Remember, Abel has him under standing orders to keep Dan out of too much trouble.
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: WhiteFire on October 06, 2008, 07:31:45 PM
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on October 06, 2008, 07:17:19 PM
Would Fi wait for permission if he saw Dan getting clobbered? Remember, Abel has him under standing orders to keep Dan out of too much trouble.

I believe his orders were to get Able if Dan got into too much trouble, which could further complicate this mess. :)
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: King Of Hearts on October 06, 2008, 08:51:01 PM
*reads the strip*

Awkwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaard.
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Tafreer on October 06, 2008, 08:54:16 PM
Personally, I'm putting my money on Destania having concocted this plan to get the demon race serioiusly pissed off at Biggs.  It just make sense to me in some way or another.


It is also possible that Destania is testing Dan to see how capable he is, and (possibly) to see if he is willing to hurt friends to follow out commands.
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Lucheek on October 06, 2008, 08:55:53 PM
Somehow- I don't think Kria's going to be pissed at Dan.

He has show than he has power and strength-- two things most dear to Demons. Kria seems to be the full-fledged Demon, so I think she's going to be more pissed at DP for failing over and over and over.

I mean- seriously. Dan has killed DP twice (Spork incedent and the one in the archeives.) I think Kria will get that Dan > Dark Pegaus. Will she be angry that Dan is just a hack-and-slash adventure, in the style of Aary? I doubt it. "Those who have power have the right to use it over those who don't!" Screw it if it's unjust, unnessecary, or cruel- witch Dan's killing isn't. Dan has the power.

Personally, I think Kria will approve of Lorenda's friendship. She made friends with a powerful creature.

The biggest quesstion is- Why is she reserecting Aliph?! Does he hold some kind of knowledge or what? Or does she just miss him? My bet would be- she likes beating up the goons that he seems to attract. Also- Kria can resserect him with pure life- not undeadiness? Is Kria the true master of undead, reserection, and magic of death- not Dark Pegasus?
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Rambon on October 06, 2008, 09:03:44 PM
Quote from: Lucheek on October 06, 2008, 08:55:53 PM
Somehow- I don't think Kria's going to be pissed at Dan.

He has show than he has power and strength-- two things most dear to Demons. Kria seems to be the full-fledged Demon, so I think she's going to be more pissed at DP for failing over and over and over.

I mean- seriously. Dan has killed DP twice (Spork incedent and the one in the archeives.) I think Kria will get that Dan > Dark Pegaus. Will she be angry that Dan is just a hack-and-slash adventure, in the style of Aary? I doubt it. "Those who have power have the right to use it over those who don't!" Screw it if it's unjust, unnessecary, or cruel- witch Dan's killing isn't. Dan has the power.

Personally, I think Kria will approve of Lorenda's friendship. She made friends with a powerful creature.

The biggest quesstion is- Why is she reserecting Aliph?! Does he hold some kind of knowledge or what? Or does she just miss him? My bet would be- she likes beating up the goons that he seems to attract. Also- Kria can resserect him with pure life- not undeadiness? Is Kria the true master of undead, reserection, and magic of death- not Dark Pegasus?

Thank you, My head is now spinning
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Jairus on October 06, 2008, 09:09:06 PM
Quote from: Lucheek on October 06, 2008, 08:55:53 PM
The biggest quesstion is- Why is she reserecting Aliph?! Does he hold some kind of knowledge or what? Or does she just miss him? My bet would be- she likes beating up the goons that he seems to attract. Also- Kria can resserect him with pure life- not undeadiness? Is Kria the true master of undead, reserection, and magic of death- not Dark Pegasus?
They need four for bridge.


I still think that we're either going to get a failure of resurrection (because of Dan's ritual thingy) or an explanation for DP's Aliph's motives, but in both cases AWKWARD will ensue.

For some reason, I can't get the image of Jyrras needing to use some of his weapons in the near future out of my head...
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: AmigaDragon on October 06, 2008, 10:24:44 PM
I wonder if Abel and Kria have maintained a friendly relationship over the centuries. Last we saw of them, she was giving him her amulet to hide his wings and get home safely (oops, Aniz happened :mowmeep ).
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Jairus on October 06, 2008, 10:27:56 PM
Quote from: AmigaDragon on October 06, 2008, 10:24:44 PM
I wonder if Abel and Kria have maintained a friendly relationship over the centuries. Last we saw of them, she was giving him her amulet to hide his wings and get home safely (oops, Aniz happened :mowmeep ).
Crud... Kria has no idea that Abel's in Lost Lake, does she? Ho boy, this could be interesting.
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: DarkAudit on October 06, 2008, 11:45:14 PM
Quote from: Lucheek on October 06, 2008, 08:55:53 PM
The biggest quesstion is- Why is she reserecting Aliph?! Does he hold some kind of knowledge or what? Or does she just miss him? My bet would be- she likes beating up the goons that he seems to attract. Also- Kria can resserect him with pure life- not undeadiness? Is Kria the true master of undead, reserection, and magic of death- not Dark Pegasus?

Simplest explanation is probably the most likely. He's family.
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on October 07, 2008, 03:15:23 AM
Quote from: DarkAudit on October 06, 2008, 11:45:14 PM
Simplest explanation is probably the most likely. He's family.

"Dammit, I wanted to kill him, this time!" ?
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Ghostwish on October 07, 2008, 11:43:25 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on October 07, 2008, 03:15:23 AM
Quote from: DarkAudit on October 06, 2008, 11:45:14 PM
Simplest explanation is probably the most likely. He's family.

"Dammit, I wanted to kill him, this time!" ?

The question is, which family member does DP owe money to? :P
Title: Re: 10/06/08 [DMFA #941] - You know, we should have predicted this...
Post by: Sunblink on October 07, 2008, 06:05:13 PM
All I can say is that I bet Dan's feeling pretty embarrassed that he went off on this tangent. (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_936.php) XD

And the plot twist was great. I'm really enjoying this arc and seeing Dark Pegasus's character being expanded. Usually one of my complaints with adding a backstory to a formerly enigmatic character removes the mystery and charisma behind its persona (like what happened with the Hannibal series for some critics), but here I think this appropriately delves into Dark Pegasus as a character. Before this, we didn't know enough about him to be interested and his role was minor at best, but now he's become a really intriguing villain.

Even though this is old hat by now, I'm starting to think that it's now fairly plausible that Dark Pegasus was Kria's tutor in Abel's Story. Yes, I finally admit it. I didn't think it was possible before (hell, I even condemned the theory), but he could have been educating his lil' sister.