So Fa'lina's got some abilities that are more powerful than others. That's good to know.
And I'm not sure I'd want to see Abel Rejects #1 or #2.
Ahh.. so that's why she mentioned Home..
She had to bring his emotions to the surface in order to lock them away. Now he can think, and she doesn't have to worry about someone saying the wrong word (Like "Home") and triggering an emotional fit.
That...
That ruled. That is a nifty power/stratagem right there.
my personal belief is this, emotions alert you that there is a problem. you are more likely to make a more rational decision with them than without. This strip perpetuates the myth that with emotion you are not responsible for your action because you were being emotional. or that a decision made in anger (subset fear) is the wrong one...
don't get me wrong, theoretically Fa'lina already knows all of Abel's likes and dislikes and without an emotional connection the conversation exclusively of information retrieval is possible... which isn't really decision making but information retrieval which means that abel wouldn't really be making a decision, but making a logical choice...which is manipulation.
And Abel has never asked for his emotions back...
... which is why he's an arrogant ass. >:3
*is hung by the "Gay for Abel" cult* X_x
*hangs Alondro*
Sheesh, Fa'Lina is really freaking powerful. I don't think we've ever seen a hint of this power before... unless it's a high-level version of Cubi empathic powers.
As for rejected pose #3... I am truly frightened for what the wallpaper will look like. That's just scary.
Emotions?! Bah! No need, just cloud the judgment. Cold hard logic is what I like. Except when it kinda doesn't work, that's the problem.
Ehh, you kinda need emotions to be an ass. I would know btw, it requires you to not care intentionally. Not having the capacity makes it a whole other ball game.
ARGGH!! I didn't think I'd use this..... Apparently is some twisted manner anyway :/
(http://missmab.xepher.net/graphics/gay4abel.gif)
If anyone gives flak for your update schedule they should be drug into the street and shot.
Serious, they get this wonderful art and story for free. No complaints allowed!
Abel doesn't have the emotion block anymore...
His eyes are all sparkly again, which means that either he didn't want the block or Fa'lina decided that he was ok to be without it.
Which means he can be an arrogant ass if he wants.
Fa'lina is a P20 Telepath!
Even the PsyCore cannot control her now! :disbelief
I'd think this ability would be similar but the opposite of emotion jammering (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_670.php), blocking instead of flooding.
I considered that, but the whole idea of emotion jamming is to metaphorically inject the person with an emotion. I can see that this might happen if Fa'lina "injected" him with complacency, but for some reason I think her powers extend far beyond simple emotion jamming.
I somehow think that the rebels like Abel's father should go the extra distance in investment and don't send anyone to cubi school. raise them himself and create a self-sufficient power base.
Since Falina has all that power doing it through the cubi school would make it pretty much whatever Fa'lina would alllow. Trying to build an empire doesn't work well under such conditions.
Quote from: Tsunari on August 29, 2008, 02:04:02 AM
I somehow think that the rebels like Abel's father should go the extra distance in investment and don't send anyone to cubi school. raise them himself and create a self-sufficient power base.
Except we know that Aniz has not only brought his children to SAIA before, he has also left them in a similar condition to Abel. Here's where Fa'Lina mentions that he basically leaves his kids broken for Fa'Lina to fix (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_013.php), and Fa'Lina knew that he was planning to bring his next kid to SAIA as well (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_014.php). No, he needs the school to watch and raise his kids while he starts the whole thing over again.
Quote from: Tsunari on August 29, 2008, 02:04:02 AM
I somehow think that the rebels like Abel's father should go the extra distance in investment and don't send anyone to cubi school. raise them himself and create a self-sufficient power base.
That assuming if Aniz could raised his kids well, seeing his past investments (mainly Abel) they either will hate him or be too mess up to be worth cannon fodder.
As much I don't believe in cold hard emtionless rational, right now it better than another emotional breakdown happening for every certain word.
Quote from: demecowen on August 29, 2008, 03:09:19 AM
As much I don't believe in cold hard emtionless rational, right now it better than another emotional breakdown happening for every certain word.
Good point. Besides, it's not permanent: Fa'Lina just needs him stable for a little bit. To buy her time to help him get over it... though I can only see this emotion blocker lasting for a few more minutes to an hour or so. She basically needs him rational while she explains what happened, what's happening, and what's going to happen.
...
Incidentally, demecowen, I don't think I've met you. Nice to meet you!
Wow, need I say that Fa'Lina rules big time! The taking away of the emotions must be in the same group of abilities that made her capable of putting a mental block on Dan when he was in SAIA. Probably the ultimate spell in that skill tree.
Yay emotional lightswitches! :D
Oh, if only it would be that easy in real life.
Though one might question if there are any motivators/antagonists/goals without emotions. Just because you know something is right, doesn't mean that it's something you want.
This is probably the best idea given he's just in an emotional fit otherwise and pretty incapable of rational thought. He needs the time to settle before he can properly grieve and this'll probably help a lot in doing that.
But damn, talk about cool just snapping your fingers like that. It's like a clappy light.
Hmm, this whole monday-being-a-bank-holiday thing has made me confused about that day it is :rolleyes
Anyway, that's a dead useful knack. I don't know how easy a global block on emotions would be, but I imagine it's relatively easy to 'drain' a specific emotion, which could be useful in such circumstances.
I think the Abel Rejected Pose #3 has finally made me capable of being gay for Abel. I can finally embrace my inner boob-lover. :boogie
I wish there was a I'm-Gay-For-Abel T-Shirt. :< If Amber made one for donations or something, I'd definitely buy one.
At this point I wouldn't be upset with a Gay-For-Fa'Lina shirt for the ladies, anyway. :U DAMN that was awesome. What was that she did? Some kind of advanced emotion jammer?
I think I'm going to have to steal that eye effect :3
One interesting point, though... is Abel going to simply go back out freaking out just as he was before, like a song being paused, or is he going to have a sudden rush of double-strength emotion as the bits he missed catch up with him?
Or perhaps would the rush stop because the emotion flow would have subsided anyways after Fa'Lina removed it?
Rejected Pose #3... *shudder* Abel.., Abel... *sigh*
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 29, 2008, 08:46:21 AM
One interesting point, though... is Abel going to simply go back out freaking out just as he was before, like a song being paused, or is he going to have a sudden rush of double-strength emotion as the bits he missed catch up with him?
Or alternately, he could be "reset" so to speak, having emotions, but not using them until something else happens to trigger them. If that made sense.
Also, Abel should be female more often. :B
It's as if she removed the emotion and stuck it up on a shelf in a storage bin somewhere. I think that when he gets them back, he'll still feel them, but they won't be as pronounced because he will have moved past it or come to terms with it, if only a little bit.
I agree with Darkdragon regarding Pose #3.
y, hello thar new wallpaper!
(http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/1797/yhellotharzk8.th.jpg) (http://img527.imageshack.us/my.php?image=yhellotharzk8.jpg)
i wonder if amber rejected the sketch because his eye-colors were switched...
Seems like a magical equivalent of Zoloft. Which would make sense if you viewed Abel as having a severe anxiety attack.
We know he can experience emotions because he can be afraid (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_623.php).
Wow, if someone took away my emotions just like that I'd be so pissed...
...wait a minute...
I'm still impressed that Fa'Lina can do that - and I do understand why, I know for a fact I don't make rational decisions when I'm emotional.
The rejected Abel pose is...like a 2x4 to the back of the head. Which is, I'm sure, what was intended. What I'm curious about is what the other guys were supposed to do in that version of the wallpaper... :erk :giggle
Quote from: Lena on August 29, 2008, 12:46:02 PM
The rejected Abel pose is...like a 2x4 to the back of the head. Which is, I'm sure, what was intended. What I'm curious about is what the other guys were supposed to do in that version of the wallpaper... :erk :giggle
... :erk
I need brain bleach. NOW.
'I removed your ability to feel emotions... I will return them when you desire them back'
Anyone see the potentially problem here?
No wonder werid vibes around that give me shivers
She can do that?! :dface
Quote from: modelincard on August 29, 2008, 10:31:35 AM
Also, Abel should be female more often. :B
As long as he remembers that he always forgets the shirts (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_690.php)... ;)
Quote from: MT Hazard on August 29, 2008, 01:51:43 PM
'I removed your ability to feel emotions... I will return them when you desire them back'
Anyone see the potentially problem here?
Not really. Desire only comes from emotion to an extent.
He's probably going to want them back soon enough.
Fa'Lina is officially uber quadruble major double admiral powerful.
Seriously. I bet she could make the world begin spinning in the opposite direction if she feeled so inclined.
And-
Now I can finnaly say I'm gay for Abel! Ever as a girl, He's sooooo preeettty
Also, Amber, I just saw Rejected Abel post 3, and it made my freaking day.
I love you forever for this. :)
Curiosity is a desire to know something. Desire is an emotion. If he truly had no emotion, he wouldn't be curious as to what had happened to him. As I mentioned before, what she has done seems to be similar to some drugs used in pharmopsychology. In an anxiety attack, the anxieties actually create more anxieties in a positive feedback loop. (Think of it as a massive psychic feedback squeal. And think what that would do to mind readers.) She's suppressed the positive feedback to get rid of the squeal so that Abel can hear his own thoughts. Standard practice would then be to use this opportunity to talk to the patient and try to get him into a state where he avoids future anxiety attacks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_attack
There's emotional desire (which is real desire) and rational desire, which is kind of 'Until you decide that it would be best if you had them back.'
Not that screwing with your emotions (by removing them or whatever) necessarily makes your decisions totally rational. It's one of the scary mind-control scenarios -- you take away someone's disgust and fear at what you're doing to them, and they let you abuse them horribly.
Still, it's a good cure for a panic attack, like you said.
Quote from: terrycloth on August 29, 2008, 06:08:15 PM
There's emotional desire (which is real desire) and rational desire, which is kind of 'Until you decide that it would be best if you had them back.'
Not that screwing with your emotions (by removing them or whatever) necessarily makes your decisions totally rational. It's one of the scary mind-control scenarios -- you take away someone's disgust and fear at what you're doing to them, and they let you abuse them horribly.
Still, it's a good cure for a panic attack, like you said.
And I doubt that Fa'Lina is one to use this skill lightly. It's terrifyingly easy to abuse, but Fa'Lina doesn't strike me as the kind to just willy-nilly prevent people from tapping into their full emotions.
Ok, now that is power. And asking "May I have my emotions back, please", somehow doesn't seem a nice way to ask for such a thing.
And abel non wallpaper attempt 3 :mwaha. It would be interesting to see what would be done if Amber realesed the individual coloured characters like this.
Quote from: rt on August 29, 2008, 07:05:36 PM
And abel non wallpaper attempt 3 :mwaha. It would be interesting to see what would be done if Amber realesed the individual coloured characters like this.
Somehow, I envision the rest of the male cast members in Speedos in this concept, since Abel is the only real shapeshifter currently (hiding your headwings does not count, and Azlan has yet shown that he shapeshifts... of course he can, but he hasn't yet). And that's
really freaky.
Quote from: Jairus on August 29, 2008, 07:08:06 PM
Quote from: rt on August 29, 2008, 07:05:36 PM
And abel non wallpaper attempt 3 :mwaha. It would be interesting to see what would be done if Amber realesed the individual coloured characters like this.
Somehow, I envision the rest of the male cast members in Speedos in this concept, since Abel is the only real shapeshifter currently (hiding your headwings does not count, and Azlan has yet shown that he shapeshifts... of course he can, but he hasn't yet). And that's really freaky.
Jai, please don't ever bring that disturbing image up again, I already had a freaky bizarro gender twist mind screw mental image already anyway, and that didn't help recover from it!
Quote from: Jer-oh-me on August 29, 2008, 08:32:14 PM
Quote from: Jairus on August 29, 2008, 07:08:06 PM
Quote from: rt on August 29, 2008, 07:05:36 PM
And abel non wallpaper attempt 3 :mwaha. It would be interesting to see what would be done if Amber realesed the individual coloured characters like this.
Somehow, I envision the rest of the male cast members in Speedos in this concept, since Abel is the only real shapeshifter currently (hiding your headwings does not count, and Azlan has yet shown that he shapeshifts... of course he can, but he hasn't yet). And that's really freaky.
Jai, please don't ever bring that disturbing image up again, I already had a freaky bizarro gender twist mind screw mental image already anyway, and that didn't help recover from it!
Heeheeheeheehee! Sorry, evil cackle, slipped out somehow.You're welcome.
Your brain went somewhere very freaky, there. I just thought of the guys reacting in horror to Abel's "outfit", or at worst cross-dressed with Abel pushing the limits. Now that image you inspired is trying to work its way into my brain.
Quote from: Lena on August 29, 2008, 09:41:45 PM
Your brain went somewhere very freaky, there. I just thought of the guys reacting in horror to Abel's "outfit", or at worst cross-dressed with Abel pushing the limits. Now that image you inspired is trying to work its way into my brain.
If you've looked at my thread over in the Tower of Art, you can get a pretty good idea of the weird places my mind goes.
Actually, I thought of something a bit ago, and it's a bit weird but here it is: if Cubi feed off of emotions, wouldn't removing/blocking someone's emotions basically rob them of a food source? Obviously Fa'Lina is powerful enough that not being able to gather nourishment off of Abel is not a problem, and also simply blocking one person is not enough to starve a Cubi, but I just thought that was interesting.
Quote from: Jairus on August 29, 2008, 09:51:21 PM
Actually, I thought of something a bit ago, and it's a bit weird but here it is: if Cubi feed off of emotions, wouldn't removing/blocking someone's emotions basically rob them of a food source? Obviously Fa'Lina is powerful enough that not being able to gather nourishment off of Abel is not a problem, and also simply blocking one person is not enough to starve a Cubi, but I just thought that was interesting.
Well keep in mind that the ability to gain energy from emotion doesnt remove a Cubi's ability to eat normal foods. So really a Cubi could survive on one or the other. Also, the amount of energy one needs to exert to block anothers emotion is quite great and it would be likely the blocker themselves would lose energy before the blockee would beimpaired. Obviously not an issue for Fa'Lina granted.
One of the worst ways to kill a Cubi would be to bury them alive or wall them away, where they would have no emotions nor food to survive on and thus would slowly and painfully waste away. There have been a few exceptions, but they are very few and the situation rather unique.
As for what Fa'Lina did, its very temporary and not something she particularly likes doing. But she felt it was a better option than the other three options she could have done. (not to mention one of the shorter ones to draw rather than me draw yet another 5 pages of Abel crying and having an emotional breakdown)
.... If only that ability could be used on every politician, religious extremist, would-be terrorist, arguing couple...
Yeah, the world needs that ability. Of course, having some control over it would be nice.
(sees the rejected pose) :eek
I....I can't look away...I want to, but I can't...
Quote from: Amber Williams on August 29, 2008, 10:40:04 PM
Quote from: Jairus on August 29, 2008, 09:51:21 PM
Actually, I thought of something a bit ago, and it's a bit weird but here it is: if Cubi feed off of emotions, wouldn't removing/blocking someone's emotions basically rob them of a food source? Obviously Fa'Lina is powerful enough that not being able to gather nourishment off of Abel is not a problem, and also simply blocking one person is not enough to starve a Cubi, but I just thought that was interesting.
Well keep in mind that the ability to gain energy from emotion doesnt remove a Cubi's ability to eat normal foods. So really a Cubi could survive on one or the other. Also, the amount of energy one needs to exert to block anothers emotion is quite great and it would be likely the blocker themselves would lose energy before the blockee would beimpaired. Obviously not an issue for Fa'Lina granted.
I thought as much. Still, it's an interesting power.
Quote from: Amber Williams on August 29, 2008, 10:40:04 PM
One of the worst ways to kill a Cubi would be to bury them alive or wall them away, where they would have no emotions nor food to survive on and thus would slowly and painfully waste away. There have been a few exceptions, but they are very few and the situation rather unique.
Ooh, I like the way you think.
Quote from: Amber Williams on August 29, 2008, 10:40:04 PM
As for what Fa'Lina did, its very temporary and not something she particularly likes doing. But she felt it was a better option than the other three options she could have done. (not to mention one of the shorter ones to draw rather than me draw yet another 5 pages of Abel crying and having an emotional breakdown)
So this page was a time-saving option that also introduced a new power of Fa'Lina's and gave us a deeper understanding of who she is and what she is capable of?
...
No complaints from me. Bravo, Mrs. Williams.
This... (http://www.missmab.com/WRY/YHelloThar.jpg) is... I... there... words... describe...
SEX. INCARNATE.
That image numbed even the current rage and spite of Fa'Lina I was feeling. And that's something.
I'm already gay for Abel! WRY! Well, the other male characters too, but that's not the point!
I think my mind just broke... :erk
Quote from: Yugo on August 30, 2008, 12:25:12 AM
I'm already gay for Abel! WRY! Well, the other male characters too, but that's not the point!
I think my mind just broke... :erk
Heh, the more people that provide comments like this, I think the more Amber will feel "Mission Accomplished" Well done Amber, this is already my favorite thread cause of the mindscrew responses.
Quote from: Yugo on August 30, 2008, 12:25:12 AM
I'm already gay for Abel! WRY! Well, the other male characters too, but that's not the point!
I think my mind just broke... :erk
Abel as a male? or as a female....? ........Answer YES...Please...
PBH
Quote from: Jer-oh-me on August 29, 2008, 08:32:14 PM
Quote from: Jairus on August 29, 2008, 07:08:06 PM
Somehow, I envision the rest of the male cast members in Speedos in this concept, since Abel is the only real shapeshifter currently (hiding your headwings does not count, and Azlan has yet shown that he shapeshifts... of course he can, but he hasn't yet). And that's really freaky.
Jai, please don't ever bring that disturbing image up again, I already had a freaky bizarro gender twist mind screw mental image already anyway, and that didn't help recover from it!
Actually, we have seen Azlan in a bikini. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_152.php)
And there is also this image, suitable for framing or blackmail. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_476.php)
Quote from: Naldru on August 30, 2008, 04:19:55 PM
Quote from: Jer-oh-me on August 29, 2008, 08:32:14 PM
Quote from: Jairus on August 29, 2008, 07:08:06 PM
Somehow, I envision the rest of the male cast members in Speedos in this concept, since Abel is the only real shapeshifter currently (hiding your headwings does not count, and Azlan has yet shown that he shapeshifts... of course he can, but he hasn't yet). And that's really freaky.
Jai, please don't ever bring that disturbing image up again, I already had a freaky bizarro gender twist mind screw mental image already anyway, and that didn't help recover from it!
Actually, we have seen Azlan in a bikini. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_152.php)
And there is also this image, suitable for framing or blackmail. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_476.php)
Oh, darn, I'd forgotten about those. Of course, the question here is why does Neni's outfit not include a top...
Quote from: Jairus on August 30, 2008, 04:28:43 PM
Oh, darn, I'd forgotten about those. Of course, the question here is why does Neni's outfit not include a top...
I don't think Neni bought it for herself to wear. She purchased it for Azlan to wear. Remember when Neni dressed Azlan in Goth. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_609.php)
Quote from: Naldru on August 30, 2008, 04:37:07 PM
Quote from: Jairus on August 30, 2008, 04:28:43 PM
Oh, darn, I'd forgotten about those. Of course, the question here is why does Neni's outfit not include a top...
I don't think Neni bought it for herself to wear. She purchased it for Azlan to wear. Remember when Neni dressed Azlan in Goth. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_609.php)
Ah... I didn't think of that possibility. Good point.
Wow, that was two serious kinds of uncomfortable for me:
Emotions are a part of us, much the same as our hands and fingers so, to cut someone off from them is a very disconcerting thought! Beyond that, feelings and thoughts are intertwined, to block that bond is very very upsetting to me, even conceptionally.
Though the rejected able pose is a very fine quality image.... I think I now have to join the gay for able club.. .only.. he's a chick right now.. but cubi are shape shifters... but he's hot right now.... but I know that he's really a guy.... but.... but... I hate Amber right now. Arrgh.. this is why I hate gender bender manga/anime.
Quote from: Mowser on August 30, 2008, 06:48:45 PM
Emotions are a part of us, much the same as our hands and fingers so, to cut someone off from them is a very disconcerting thought! Beyond that, feelings and thoughts are intertwined, to block that bond is very very upsetting to me, even conceptionally.
That might have been part of the point. I think that once Abel gets his emotions back he's going to realize how powerful Fa'Lina is... and that it's probably not a good idea to cross her.
Quote from: Mowser
Though the rejected able pose is a very fine quality image.... I think I now have to join the gay for able club.. .only.. he's a chick right now.. but cubi are shape shifters... but he's hot right now.... but I know that he's really a guy.... but.... but... I hate Amber right now. Arrgh.. this is why I hate gender bender manga/anime.
Or you could just join the Gay for Abel camp permanently.
I'm just glad I can finally be straight for Abel.
I hope I'm not alone on this.
Quote from: Goatmon on August 30, 2008, 08:16:50 PM
I'm just glad I can finally be straight for Abel.
I hope I'm not alone on this.
You're only Straight for Abel until he goes back to being a guy. Then what happens, I wonder?
Quote from: Goatmon on August 30, 2008, 08:16:50 PM
I'm just glad I can finally be straight for Abel.
I hope I'm not alone on this.
Beh. You're all sensitive, discriminate wusses is what I say. Don't matter if it's gay or straight. Abel is sex.
Too bad no one has a chance in Hell of getting with him. Not in the comic, and not voluntarily, that is...
Quote from: Mowser on August 30, 2008, 06:48:45 PM
Wow, that was two serious kinds of uncomfortable for me:
Emotions are a part of us, much the same as our hands and fingers so, to cut someone off from them is a very disconcerting thought! Beyond that, feelings and thoughts are intertwined, to block that bond is very very upsetting to me, even conceptionally.
Funny.. I had the exact opposite reaction..
I was like Wow, I wish I could have that done to me! I'm going through a lot of shit right now, ((Sick mother, Bad Job, Confusing/Heartbreaking Relationship, College)) and not having Emotions seems like a good idea to me right now.
You don't need that type of block. You're stronger then that.
Taking away your emotions, even for a little while, would be giving up. Can't have any of that now can we. :I
Only if it's voluntary. Abel's emotions were taken without his foreknowledge or consent, so he didn't give up.
I'm going straight to hell, but that's a given. (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y253/theavatarbin/fembel.jpg)
I have nothing else to say.
Quote from: Ink on August 31, 2008, 03:23:46 AM
I'm going straight to hell, but that's a given. (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y253/theavatarbin/fembel.jpg)
I have nothing else to say.
No worries, Ink, I'll be there with you for my "Speedos" comment. As for the drawing... it's not quite as mind-scarring as Amber's version... but maybe my mind is still getting over it. Nice umbrella, though.
They already got to the Abel picture at Lulz.
That's quick work.
Quote from: Ink on August 31, 2008, 03:23:46 AM
I'm going straight to hell, but that's a given. (http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y253/theavatarbin/fembel.jpg)
I have nothing else to say.
OooooOoh, I like the umbrella!
Ahh, what I wouldn't give to be able to turn off my emotions sometimes. That would be cool >.>
Quote from: Stygian on August 30, 2008, 09:34:32 PM
Too bad no one has a chance in Hell of getting with him. Not in the comic, and not voluntarily, that is...
If Jyrras/Abel becomes an official couple, I will be happy to laugh at you. :mwaha
Until then, I'll just glower ineffectually. :<
Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on August 31, 2008, 01:42:41 PM
Quote from: Stygian on August 30, 2008, 09:34:32 PM
Too bad no one has a chance in Hell of getting with him. Not in the comic, and not voluntarily, that is...
If Jyrras/Abel becomes an official couple, I will be happy to laugh at you. :mwaha
Until then, I'll just glower ineffectually. :<
Dude, "Jyrbel" had better become an official pairing: they make such a nice couple. But, they are still at Amber's mercy and power, so we can only hope that if anything goes right for Jyrras it is him and Abel hooking up.
Now "Jaras" (Janus Bond/Doctor Jyrras)... that one's a little more open-ended. ;)