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Title: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #24] - B Yourself.
Post by: !KCA on August 03, 2008, 03:57:51 AM
She pulled a Droopy. . .

You can't escape the scary poodle lady. She really is everywhere in SAIA, huh?
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Jairus on August 03, 2008, 04:02:20 AM
Yep.

Hm, there really is a lot of thought to all of this shapeshifting thing. I guess I should have realized that when Abel did his text wall thing way-back-when discussing the difficulties of magicing up materials and stuff like that. Balance, weight... and Fa'Lina's are real? And I'm guessing that Mixie is one of her students who is mimicking her with shapeshifting powers. And her whole "teleportation" trick was just so Batman-like. Sheesh, Fa'Lina is just one Cubi ball of awesome!

And Amber, don't worry. You'll do fine. Just pretend that you absolutely HAVE to post a comic tonight, and you'll get it done. Or you might not. But seriously, you'll do fine. If it helps, every night we'll make a thread that simple says GET IT DONE, AMBER!!!
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: silentassassin on August 03, 2008, 04:19:08 AM
Somehow i have a feeling that would make things worse. I mean it would only put more pressure on Amber. Also, if she doesn't post it, she'll end up with twice the guilt. I'm happy updating when you feel like it.
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Anri on August 03, 2008, 04:21:53 AM
Oh, there's that nasty habit of teleporting again. I, for one, appreciate the girls.
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Kuari on August 03, 2008, 04:59:32 AM
heh, you know, this isn't the kind of little rant I ever expected Fa'lina to be to type to go on...    she probably gave up after a while or something.  Heh, though you know, thinking about it, it really is odd to see Abel in white of all colors...  and the more innocent expression he has.
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Psaakyrn on August 03, 2008, 05:01:00 AM
Alternate theory: she really is in all those places at once, but her location becomes fixed upon user perception. (but losing sight of her puts her back into limbo status)

I mean, this time, she doesn't even seem to be focused on Abel.
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Goatmon on August 03, 2008, 05:14:53 AM
Nooooo!

Double Negatives are the devil! D: 
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Pagan on August 03, 2008, 05:17:48 AM
I'm pretty sure she's just trying to get Abel back into a calm state. If that means trapping him and room and making him listen to a buxom woman talk about her jubblies, well... he'll just have to live with it.

For some reason, the knowledge that those are real ... I'm unsuprised. I always thought she was increasing them over time, but the fact that they're real just doesn't shock me.
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Goatmon on August 03, 2008, 06:02:47 AM
Fa'Lina's rack is big, for sure.  But she's got a pretty big everything.

The woman's a freaking giant. 
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Naldru on August 03, 2008, 06:48:40 AM
Actually, she didn't say that they were real.  She said that most people believe that they are the result of shape-shifting.  She didn't say whether they were correct in their beliefs.
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: silentassassin on August 03, 2008, 07:39:15 AM
Honestly am i the only one who doesn't think their gigantic? They seem average or just a little bit bigger to me.
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Madmann135 on August 03, 2008, 07:55:38 AM
Her accessories are definately above average and teleporting around like that is not the best way to make a good first impression.

The only thing that's small on that woman is her waist size... her eago and power is bigger than she is.
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Wanderer on August 03, 2008, 08:21:25 AM
She could at least try reducing them to something smaller than a G cup... At least bring them back down into the D range, seriously.

Oh, and good work on the teleporty thing. Just be everywhere he might run before he gets there.
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: silentassassin on August 03, 2008, 08:43:23 AM
oh come on the c cup at the most prolly b
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on August 03, 2008, 08:48:40 AM
*snerk*

The countervailing argument is... how would she react if, on first meeting her, you said "My, those are fairly large..." ?

It's a lose-lose proposition, really. Either she complains that you don't notice, or she complains that you do; either way, she'll rip your heart out and eat it if you annoy her...



Also, I now have a mental image of Mixie looking like she's standing on the ceiling...
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: rt on August 03, 2008, 08:52:39 AM
Noooo, hands off Fa'lina's boobies!

Or rather, hands on them, but in other ways.
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Zedd on August 03, 2008, 08:54:59 AM
Okays their rather firm and built enough fun bags...Everyone knows she has a bra of infinite holding
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Wanderer on August 03, 2008, 09:21:51 AM
Quote from: silentassassin on August 03, 2008, 08:43:23 AM
oh come on the c cup at the most prolly b
Beg pardon? We KNOW they aren't B, because she says so here.They are also far too large for C, and I say too large for D as well.
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: silentassassin on August 03, 2008, 09:34:35 AM
I stand by c but larger then d and g seriously do you'll need eye exams?
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: AndersW on August 03, 2008, 10:19:11 AM
So Abel tries to make a break for it and Fa'lina is protecting him from wandering the halls of SAIA.  For all we know he could try to hide in the library.
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: SpottedKitty on August 03, 2008, 11:01:01 AM
Quote from: !KCA on August 03, 2008, 03:57:51 AM
She pulled a Droopy. . .
<looks at the last couple of pages again>

Ah... no, I don't think you can say that about "the girls"...    (http://www.cosgan.de/images/smilie/frech/e015.gif)

Also, from Fa'lina's "don't know why I bother" remark on the last page, I thought it was clear she does use cosmetic shapeshifting, and gives it little tweaks from time to time. I was also assuming most 'Cubi do the same thing, unless they're wearing someone with a specific appearance as a disguise. Fi's remark (in the current timeline) about Abel "never changing his base form" (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_697.php) seems to indicate how unusual that is for a mature 'Cubi.

It's interesting to realise what Fa'lina's doing here. She's gently prodding Abel, to see if he's ready to come out of his shock, encouraging him to react and act for himself. Trying to save him, like she does everyone who comes to SAIA.
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Sunblink on August 03, 2008, 11:18:29 AM
D CUPS

FULL OF JUSTICE.

Wait, did someone already say that? Anyway, I actually think a lot of the estimates about Fa'Lina's chest size are way off. I mean seriously. A G? She's probably a D or DD...

Either way, lots of love for Fa'Lina. <3 Even though she's probably going to scare the living daylights out of Abel.

~Keaton the Black Jackal
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Anri on August 03, 2008, 11:56:01 AM
Quote from: silentassassin on August 03, 2008, 09:34:35 AM
I stand by c but larger then d and g seriously do you'll need eye exams?

Here is a worksafe comparison of some sizes in question. You are indeed quite incorrect.

http://img.qj.net/uploads/articles_module/107975/clark-stantonfamily-01_qjgenth.jpg (http://img.qj.net/uploads/articles_module/107975/clark-stantonfamily-01_qjgenth.jpg)

You may thank the almighty Google!
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Lucheek on August 03, 2008, 12:44:33 PM
There's a comic where Fa'Lina's boobs are the same size as Pyroduck's head.

HEAD.

I think they're BIG. Deffiantly above DD.
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: PencilinHand on August 03, 2008, 12:52:52 PM
Assuming I can trust wikipedia on how brasiere cup size is measured and calculated (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brassiere_measurements)....

Based on the assumption that the thickest part of her forearm is slightly less than the difference between her bust and underbust....(there are several shots of her in poses demonstrating this)

Applying roughly normal physical measurements(about 3" for maximum forearm diameter)....

And using the perimeter of a square for a rough approximation of physical proportions....


Then she is about an F(or DDD) cup.

This is probably a slight over estimation, assuming she is of roughly normal size. 

However, if we consider how physically larger she appears to be compared to other characters(and if we assume they are close to "normal" size) then an F to H cup is probably about right.  :U
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Wanderer on August 03, 2008, 01:06:19 PM
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on August 03, 2008, 11:18:29 AM
D CUPS

FULL OF JUSTICE.

Wait, did someone already say that? Anyway, I actually think a lot of the estimates about Fa'Lina's chest size are way off. I mean seriously. A G? She's probably a D or DD...
I am known to slightly exaggerate things for the sake of emphasis. However E (DD) or F (DDD) would not surprise me.

Fa'Lina's breasts are like Jyrras' ears: they keep growing larger as the comic progresses. I mean, take a look at her back during her first appearance. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_425.php) They look reasonable back then, you know, C-ish or so. Not those... things she has today.
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Jairus on August 03, 2008, 01:10:18 PM
Quote from: Wanderer on August 03, 2008, 01:06:19 PM
Fa'Lina's breasts are like Jyrras' ears: they keep growing larger as the comic progresses. I mean, take a look at her back during her first appearance. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_425.php) They look reasonable back then, you know, C-ish or so. Not those... things she has today.
Are you implying that this growth is a bad thing? In both cases.
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Wanderer on August 03, 2008, 01:23:58 PM
You've got your quote tags messed up there. And yes. Allow me to state it outright: the growth of Jyrras' ears and Fa'Lina's breasts has passed the points of cuteness and attraction respectively, and has entered the state of being disturbing.
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Jairus on August 03, 2008, 01:27:58 PM
Quote from: Wanderer on August 03, 2008, 01:23:58 PM
You've got your quote tags messed up there. And yes. Allow me to state it outright: the growth of Jyrras' ears and Fa'Lina's breasts has passed the points of cuteness and attraction respectively, and has entered the state of being disturbing.

... I think his ears are cute.

As for Fa'Lina... well, she could suck my soul out any day. But then again, I'm a bit mental (If you know what show I borrowed this line from, you get an imaginary cookie!).
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Aleolus on August 03, 2008, 01:29:21 PM
Ahh, yes.  That nastly little habit she has of teleporting anywhere she wants >.>  Can't forget that.

And in answer to her statements, I think she would look wonderful if they were a size or two bigger <.<
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Wanderer on August 03, 2008, 01:43:38 PM
*sighs* Clearly I'm pretty much the only one around here who finds superhuman gaurgantuan breasts to be unpleasant and disgusting.

Note, Fa'Lina's haven't hit the "disgusting" point yet, because I can still ignore them when she's not flaunting them like she is now. But they're headed that way.

When a physical feature of a particular character reaches such prominence that you note ITS presence more than you note the presence of the character themself, it is a problem. The CHARACTER should be the focus, their phsyical traits should contribute to THEM, not the other way around. Amber hasn't reached the points of Fa'Lina's breasts standing out more than Fa'Lina herself, or of Jyrras' ears standing out more than Jyrras himself, but things are clearly moving in that direction. And that's trouble.

I don't want to insult Amber's art here. She's clearly been improving, and I'm not trying to tell her to move the clock back and draw like she used to. But... I'm a writer, like many folks here I suspect. I know enough that if you make a single trait in a character too much stronger than all their other traits, that trait will come to define the character and they will be unable to do anything that doesn't somehow involve that trait. And that's BAD, it makes the character weaker than they should be. Less believable. Because real people aren't defined by just one thing.

...Wow. I start off trying to say that I think overly large breasts look unpleasant, and I end up with a whole semi-reasonable sounding rant about why Amber should be careful about making Fa'Lina's boobs too big. Not quite sure how that happened. :sweatdrop
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on August 03, 2008, 02:21:23 PM
Heh.

I'm with you, Wanderer... almost. I'm happy to admit I get my jollies from big boobs. *shrug*

As you say, however, it's reached about as big as is reasonably acceptable. If they get much bigger, it'll overbalance the character. And I mean that in a metaphysical sense, not a merely physical one. :-P
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Jairus on August 03, 2008, 02:24:00 PM
For the record, whenever I look at Jyrras my eyes are drawn to his face, mainly because I like his glasses (what?). I will admit that if the ears get too much bigger, it'll be a problem, but they seem to have more-or-less stabilized over the last year or so.

As for Fa'Lina's... um, "assets..." well, they kind of are pushing the believable envelope, but considering how fascinating of a character Fa'Lina is, I'll let them slide... for now.
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Pagan on August 03, 2008, 03:10:31 PM
I never really noticed Jyrras's ears growing (maybe I'm a moron and don't notice the obvious, but eh). Fa'lina has definitly been growing since her first appearance, that's unmistakable. The girls are big, very true. They're currently large, but believable and somewhat realistic.  When they reach the anime status of huge, it's gone too far.
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Tapewolf on August 03, 2008, 03:14:59 PM
Quote from: Pagan on August 03, 2008, 03:10:31 PM
The girls are big, very true. They're currently large, but believable and somewhat realistic.  When they reach the anime status of huge, it's gone too far.
That raises an interesting question... how big do they have to be before the strip is in danger of not being PG anymore?
Granted, Abel's Story isn't PG anyway, but if it's an art style thing she's liable to be the same size next time she appears in the mainline, yes?
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Jairus on August 03, 2008, 03:17:19 PM
Quote from: Pagan on August 03, 2008, 03:10:31 PM
I never really noticed Jyrras's ears growing (maybe I'm a moron and don't notice the obvious, but eh). Fa'lina has definitly been growing since her first appearance, that's unmistakable. The girls are big, very true. They're currently large, but believable and somewhat realistic.  When they reach the anime status of huge, it's gone too far.

... I just realized something.

I only learned about DMFA through the TV Tropes article on "Marshmallow Hell (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MarshmallowHell)," regarding Seth and Moira's first meeting. And Fa'Lina's "girls" are now large enough to deliver Marshmallow Hell upon any of the normal cast members. Heeheehee...

Regarding the PG thing... they are covered by her "dress," so I think it's okay. Besides, how many of this comic's viewers are little kids anyway?

As for our boy Jy-jy's ears, it's kind of a gradual thing, but they've mostly become fuzzier over the intervening years. They used to be fairly slick/smooth, but now they've got little tufts of fur sticking up. His overall look is just fuzzier now.
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Damaris on August 03, 2008, 03:39:36 PM
Just FYI, the Wiki is correct on the bra size measuring process.  Actually, as a former slave of Victoria's Secret, I highly recommend that any straight guy that does not know the process of the bra size go read it.  You will not only make your spouse/girlfriend happy, but you will not frustrate your friend neighborhood bra salesperson.

Another thing to note (and that is commonly overlooked by the male population) is that the bra cup size is not static.  Like the wiki says, it depends on the ribcage measurement.  So, a 32D has a much smaller rack then a 38D.  A 32DD is usually relatively the same size as a 34D.

:tmyk
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Slowtini on August 03, 2008, 03:46:58 PM
... :erk

She's EVERYWHERE!
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Alondro on August 03, 2008, 03:55:06 PM
I saw the hugest set of knockers ever this week.  They were hanging down to the person's stomach and looked to make up about 25% of her total bodyweight.

There comes a point where it's just gross.  That was the point.   She literally looked like Miss Chokesondik.  :P

And yes I know it's a medical condition.  The person really should get reduction surgery for their health.

But Fa'lina's are still fine!  *oggles Fa'lina*
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Mao on August 03, 2008, 04:32:43 PM
Eh, I've never liked big ones.  Never will.  I knew too many girls who had them and most of them were miserable because of them for various reasons. 
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Goatmon on August 03, 2008, 04:57:58 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on August 03, 2008, 08:48:40 AM
*snerk*

The countervailing argument is... how would she react if, on first meeting her, you said "My, those are fairly large..." ?

It's a lose-lose proposition, really. Either she complains that you don't notice, or she complains that you do; either way, she'll rip your heart out and eat it if you annoy her...



Also, I now have a mental image of Mixie looking like she's standing on the ceiling...

She seems like the type who wouldn't mind that sort of comment, but only if you caught her at the right time.

Fa'Lina is pretty unpredictable.   :U
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Sunblink on August 03, 2008, 05:10:19 PM
Quote from: Wanderer on August 03, 2008, 01:06:19 PM
I am known to slightly exaggerate things for the sake of emphasis. However E (DD) or F (DDD) would not surprise me.

Fa'Lina's breasts are like Jyrras' ears: they keep growing larger as the comic progresses. I mean, take a look at her back during her first appearance. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_425.php) They look reasonable back then, you know, C-ish or so. Not those... things she has today.

It could have just been my feminine instincts of "oh good god that would hurt my back so much" talking. Then again, taking Fa'Lina's height into consideration, she could be much larger than a DD. An estimate like F sounds more appropriate...

But then again, despite being a delicate and modest (*SNERK*) lady, I know nothing of measurements.

~Keaton the Black Jackal
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: AnizInDisguise on August 03, 2008, 05:59:06 PM
Quote from: Wanderer on August 03, 2008, 01:06:19 PM
Fa'Lina's breasts are like Jyrras' ears: they keep growing larger as the comic progresses. I mean, take a look at her back during her first appearance. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_425.php) They look reasonable back then, you know, C-ish or so. Not those... things she has today.

May I point something out? Abel's story isn't current, it's 300 years ago, remember? And she said she was thinking about getting a size reduction. You do the math.
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Kuari on August 03, 2008, 06:11:32 PM
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on August 03, 2008, 11:18:29 AM
D CUPS

FULL OF JUSTICE.

... you know, this got me thinking of a whole super hero cast for DMFA...

Mighty Mab!!!  With her fists of justice!
DDD Woman (Fa'lina)!!! With boobs of justice!
Biteking (Pip...  couldn't think of a better name)!!! With teeth of justice!

...I could go on but I think I'll stop with mentioning the villians, the diabolical Doctor Jy, and Mistress Wildy-san in full leather, hot cattle prods and whips.
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on August 03, 2008, 06:47:37 PM
Mr Teeth, I think.
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Kuari on August 03, 2008, 06:50:51 PM
That works...  and give him a mohawk
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: icarus on August 03, 2008, 07:00:02 PM
a theory no one has put forth yet:

fa'lina may just be messing with abel. he's in a fragile state, and if she started off with "WELCOME TO THE ACADEMY, I AM YOUR LORD AND MASTER etc" it might have thrown him back into a state of shock. she's very aware of her students and their needs, i think. she likes to tease them a bit, but she knows when they reach their danger limit.  i imagine that despite her apparent lack of focus on abel, she's keeping tabs on his emotions as well as a researcher keeps tabs on his subjects.

it may just be that abel needs to feel some confused indignation. it may be that she knows his perceptions of cubi are already negative (gj dad) and she's trying to alter that by playing up the silly/goofy angle.

abel is a twitchy panicky sort (or at least, he was) and she's aware of that. but it's very hard to twitch and panic when someone's reading you a bodice ripper, and then begins yammering about their boobs. it's awkward, yes, but it's almost impossible to find yourself in a state of abject terror in that situation.

also abel's favourite 'dish' is confusion. even though it's his own, this whole scenario might also sort of be like offering a shock victim a mug of hot cocoa.
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Amber Williams on August 03, 2008, 07:11:47 PM
Fa'Lina was always meant to be rather endowed, its just in her first appearance...I actually didn't have the know-how or the ability to draw breasts larger than a certain size.  So the "evolution" was simply because I finally figured out how the physics of it worked. (Though truth be told I am still working on it and so I dont quite have it)  But truth be told, Fa'Lina is just massive in general...or she is supposed to be.  She's a powerhouse and one of the few characters in the comic who I feel can pull off a larger cup size.

It is the same way when it comes to muscular guys.  Merlitz and a couple others were originally supposed to be rather muscular and beefy...but I lacked (and in many ways) still lack the skill to pull it off...so most of the guys ended up with a default bodytype.

Lorenda was meant to be heavyset, but not insanely obese. Which is why most people comment that Lorenda is "slimming down", because overtime I am tweaking and trying to figure out how to draw someone who is heavyset without resorting to a mega tummy that looks like she's preggers.

Jyrras was meant to have ears that are actually somewhat oversized for him. Other rats and mice in DMFA would have somewhat smaller and more reasonable ears.

Many of the characters in DMFA have been evolving overtime because when I first started drawing them, I didn't know how to pull off the look I wanted to at the time. So if people want to comment about Fa'Linas breasts or Jyrras ears getting bigger...the blame is that I am simply trying to get them to the point where I originally wanted them to be and was trying to do it gradually overtime so it just wasnt *Bam* theres some DD cups.

I feel somewhat hurt that Wanderer seems to think that because some physical traits have shifted from their original start point due to change in art skill or a mixup in style, that they are someohow going to continue on until the point of madness.   Or that I seem to have no limits and that whats been happening is some sort of unfortunate side effect that is dangerously close to some unforseen pit of despair.
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on August 03, 2008, 07:19:10 PM
Quote from: icarus on August 03, 2008, 07:00:02 PM
also abel's favourite 'dish' is confusion. even though it's his own, this whole scenario might also sort of be like offering a shock victim a mug of hot cocoa.

Heh. You know, I think you might have a point there.

That's very insightful.

Quote from: Amber Williams on August 03, 2008, 07:11:47 PM
...dangerously close to some unforseen pit of despair.

"The pit of despair! Don't e... Huaaarrrrgh! *cough* Don't even think about trying to escape. The chains are far too thick..."

(I could go on, but I won't. Much.)
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Amber Williams on August 03, 2008, 07:21:15 PM
INSIGHT HAS NO PLACE ON THIS FORUM!  BEGONE! :U
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Alterationartist on August 03, 2008, 07:24:21 PM
Huh. And here I thought this was an out to explain why her breasts are smaller in the future than the past.

Also, I'm kind of unsure about the whole "confusion wake up call". He has had no training with his Cubi powers as of so far, and as far as I know, the trauma could've only lasted a few days, during which he would still have no method of controlling his abilities. If anything, he might strike up with a headache soon similar to Dan. It might also become varied dependent of whether or not Abel current wishes to be a cubi, similar to the issues that Dan might be struggling with.
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on August 03, 2008, 07:28:48 PM
Quote from: Alterationartist on August 03, 2008, 07:24:21 PM
Also, I'm kind of unsure about the whole "confusion wake up call". He has had no training with his Cubi powers as of so far, and as far as I know, the trauma could've only lasted a few days, during which he would still have no method of controlling his abilities. If anything, he might strike up with a headache soon similar to Dan. It might also become varied dependent of whether or not Abel current wishes to be a cubi, similar to the issues that Dan might be struggling with.

From what Ink said, Abel has been filtered off from the rest of SAIA. I'd guess that that includes any "food", other than a carefully metered dose.

Sort of like being in hospital, no?
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: techmaster-glitch on August 03, 2008, 07:42:22 PM
Quote from: icarus on August 03, 2008, 07:00:02 PM
a theory no one has put forth yet:
-snip-
Actually, someone did post something along these lines in the last thread. In fact, I've had it in my mind the whole time as well that there has to be a reason for Fa'Lina's antics, (both with her asset glamorization and that 'book' she was reading aloud), certainly along the lines of 'helping' Abel's trauma, I just couldn't imagine the precise details. While, in the last thread, I was all for fawning over Fa'Lina's boobaliciousness just like everyone else, I was surprised no one else actually caught on that she might really be executing some sort of therapy plan to get Abel out of his shock (except for the one other person I mentioned). I just never bothered to post anything about it.

This is the post I was talking about, BTW:
Quote from: Lena on July 22, 2008, 06:42:32 PM
Back on track here though, I love Fa'Lina's dealings so far with Abel. She just keeps throwing him those curve balls. Best way to deal with it, I suppose - be the opposite of what he expects. After all, she has been dealing with cubi for quite a while now, she should have some ideas as to how to help. Whether or not she uses those ideas is another matter.
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Alterationartist on August 03, 2008, 08:00:30 PM
But still. Can cubi actually feed off their own emotions? That would make what they do... completely pointless. And again, we aren't even sure if can even use his cubi abilities yet.

And good call on the filtering thing. I totally forgot about that.
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Wanderer on August 03, 2008, 08:15:10 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on August 03, 2008, 07:11:47 PMI feel somewhat hurt that Wanderer seems to think that because some physical traits have shifted from their original start point due to change in art skill or a mixup in style, that they are someohow going to continue on until the point of madness.   Or that I seem to have no limits and that whats been happening is some sort of unfortunate side effect that is dangerously close to some unforseen pit of despair.
The Wanderer only reports problems and potential problems as he sees them. I HAVE seen artists lose control of things like that, although if you ask me right away to point out a specific example I wouldn't be able to manage it. It is up to you, as the artist, to determine if the trouble I think might be in store is real, if it's my imagination, if it's real but not an issue in your case, if you're watching it and have it under control, or whatever. The issue was brought to the front of my mind thanks to the current comic and people's comments here, so I spoke up about it. When something like this comes to mind, I'd much rather honestly say "hey, I think you may be heading for a problem here," than wait a year or two and end up saying "I really can't stand the way the comic has become these days, I won't be reading it anymore." I'm not always that good at figuring out how not to offend people, so I often just go for the blunt approach of just stating exactly what I think.

As you say, you know what you're doing and it's not an issue. The things I mentioned in the comic don't actually BOTHER me right now unless they're specifically pointed out, like today's comic does, so there's usually no trouble on my end either. I just wanted to say something since it was brought up, though, because if you didn't have it under control, it could lead to future trouble.

Apologies if I offended you. As I said, my people skills are somewhat lacking.
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Rafe on August 03, 2008, 10:58:54 PM
When do we get the Doug Winger guest strip? 
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Gamma on August 03, 2008, 11:14:06 PM
Quote from: Rafe on August 03, 2008, 10:58:54 PM
When do we get the Doug Winger guest strip? 
Just saying that name around here is straining the PG rating of the forums. :paranoid


I can't comment upon the story any further, you all dried the well. :cry
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Mao on August 03, 2008, 11:16:51 PM
Quote from: Wanderer on August 03, 2008, 08:15:10 PM
The Wanderer only reports problems and potential problems as he sees them.

Eww.. cheesy third person speech. :P  You're giving me flash backs to 'The Rock'.

Anyway that aside, though hurtful in the way you put it, you do raise a good point about artists who let their creations out of control, but when you look at some of Amber's previous works and at the many, many strips where it's been mentioned how much her work is evolving it seems more likely that it is, as she said, just a process of her work getting refined.  To me, it makes more sense to have faith in her work and that it's true because she's always been pretty honest with us about how she feels about her own work and where she's going with it, or wanted to go with it.  I think if she was going somewhere 'fan-servicey' she'd have told us about it and why by now, much like she's often done.

Anyways.. .hot coacoa you say?  Makes sense.  Though I've always felt that harsh realities work as a good way to return one to their senses.  Small ones, like you're here now so it's best to move onward from here rather than trying to get back there.  Because you can't ever go back.  No one can.  I wonder if that's the next thing that's going to take place.  Given those looks on Fa'lina's face that we've been getting in the last two strips, I can only wonder how much longer she's going to like having her offered 'cup' of hot coacoa slapped out of her hands by our currently fleeing Abel.
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Jigsaw Forte on August 03, 2008, 11:21:09 PM
*resists the urge to start inventing new euphemisms*
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Valynth on August 04, 2008, 12:02:33 AM
Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on August 03, 2008, 11:21:09 PM
*resists the urge to start inventing new euphemisms*

Doooooooo eeeeeeeeet

I must also remind that the rules of "pics or it didn't happen" is in full effect.

(we don't have a dooooooo eeeeeeet emoticon?  Thought it'd be a shoe in for this forum.)
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Tapewolf on August 04, 2008, 04:15:48 AM
Quote from: Mowser on August 03, 2008, 11:16:51 PM
Given those looks on Fa'lina's face that we've been getting in the last two strips, I can only wonder how much longer she's going to like having her offered 'cup' of hot coacoa slapped out of her hands by our currently fleeing Abel.

She's been doing this for something like 6600 years.  Even if it's fairly rare for 'Cubi to come to her in a state of nervous breakdown, I'd imagine she'd have got it down pat in that time - even if she didn't have the advantage of being able to read thoughts and emotions.
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: !KCA on August 04, 2008, 04:17:58 AM
I actually did attribute the increase to changes in artistic style and the artist's own. . .reference points. Most of the characters largely stabilized around comic #400-ish. The most glaring exception in my mind. . .?

For some reason, Wildy-San never stabilized and has overtaken pretty much everyone else in terms of everything except actual physical size. At this point, she's. . .I don't know. . .a 16C? . . .Maybe D?
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Jairus on August 04, 2008, 04:25:10 AM
Quote from: !KCA on August 04, 2008, 04:17:58 AM
For some reason, Wildy-San never stabilized and has overtaken pretty much everyone else in terms of everything except actual physical size. At this point, she's. . .I don't know. . .a 16C? . . .Maybe D?

Well, to be fair, she's a little smaller than the other cast members (excluding Jy-jy... actually, which one of them is taller? Does anyone know?), so proportionally they may be large but in reality they're a bit smaller...

I don't know if that makes it better or worse.
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Kuari on August 04, 2008, 04:59:28 AM
Quote from: !KCA on August 04, 2008, 04:17:58 AM
I actually did attribute the increase to changes in artistic style and the artist's own. . .reference points. Most of the characters largely stabilized around comic #400-ish. The most glaring exception in my mind. . .?

For some reason, Wildy-San never stabilized and has overtaken pretty much everyone else in terms of everything except actual physical size. At this point, she's. . .I don't know. . .a 16C? . . .Maybe D?

http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_737.php

....  I'm thinking more C level if you compare it to her body size....  D is a bit much...  I'm not expert on this though.
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: silentassassin on August 04, 2008, 06:11:11 AM
Didn't think i'd ever see a full discussion about bra sizes here
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Kuari on August 04, 2008, 06:17:03 AM
Neither did I....  I kind of wasn't thinking about it...  just kind of popped up
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Naldru on August 04, 2008, 06:30:05 AM
If the clothing is too tight, it sort of pops out.

I remember that a book on anime devoted several pages to this discussion.
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on August 04, 2008, 06:44:44 AM
Quote from: Valynth on August 04, 2008, 12:02:33 AM
(we don't have a dooooooo eeeeeeet emoticon?  Thought it'd be a shoe in for this forum.)

Haven't seen something suitable, and not massively huge. Since, as we all know, if we put out more large pics, some stupi^H^H^H^Hwell intentioned person will use a whole stack of them...
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Anri on August 04, 2008, 07:57:20 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on August 04, 2008, 06:44:44 AM
stupi^H^H^H^Hwell

Aaah, memories of alt.devilbunnies. ;3
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Jer-oh-me on August 04, 2008, 08:42:39 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on August 04, 2008, 06:44:44 AM
Quote from: Valynth on August 04, 2008, 12:02:33 AM
(we don't have a dooooooo eeeeeeet emoticon?  Thought it'd be a shoe in for this forum.)

Haven't seen something suitable, and not massively huge. Since, as we all know, if we put out more large pics, some stupi^H^H^H^Hwell intentioned person will use a whole stack of them...

How about an animated one that has the same expression Mab did with a speech bubble that scrolls 'Doooooooo eeeeeeeeet.' I dunno, silly idea, and yeah, over abusers could easily be an issue.
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on August 04, 2008, 08:44:03 AM
Quote from: Tikki on August 04, 2008, 07:57:20 AM
Aaah, memories of alt.devilbunnies. ;3

alt.barney.die.die.die

Although I preferred lurking in a.s.r, myself.
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Paul on August 04, 2008, 09:11:45 AM
Quote from: silentassassin on August 04, 2008, 06:11:11 AM
Didn't think i'd ever see a full discussion about bra sizes here

Tits or GTFO?
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Alondro on August 04, 2008, 10:37:57 AM
Quote from: Rafe on August 03, 2008, 10:58:54 PM
When do we get the Doug Winger guest strip? 

Actually, I think it may be Drr. Ink's evil influence!

He draws em big.   :B
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: AmigaDragon on August 04, 2008, 11:33:15 AM
Quote from: Alterationartist on August 03, 2008, 07:24:21 PM
If anything, he might strike up with a headache soon similar to Dan. It might also become varied dependent of whether or not Abel current wishes to be a cubi, similar to the issues that Dan might be struggling with.

I think Dan has stronger issues against his cubi heritage because he came into it as an adventurer with cubi-fighting experience. Abel may have never (to his knowledge) met a cubi until Aniz revealed himself.
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Tapewolf on August 04, 2008, 11:40:00 AM
Quote from: AmigaDragon on August 04, 2008, 11:33:15 AM
I think Dan has stronger issues against his cubi heritage because he came into it as an adventurer with cubi-fighting experience.
Well, Dee actually made him swear never to fight 'Cubi, but aside from that, yes.  Adventuring taught him that they exist, a little bit about what they can do, and that they are - by and large - evil.  So yes, Dan has problems from that particular brand of education.  However, he's not unique in that... see Abel's comment in 602.
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] - B Yourself.
Post by: Grenn on August 05, 2008, 11:13:00 PM
Apparently Fa-laffle is everywhere Abel wants to be :p
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Paul on August 06, 2008, 02:33:00 PM
Quote from: AmigaDragon on August 04, 2008, 11:33:15 AM
Quote from: Alterationartist on August 03, 2008, 07:24:21 PM
If anything, he might strike up with a headache soon similar to Dan. It might also become varied dependent of whether or not Abel current wishes to be a cubi, similar to the issues that Dan might be struggling with.

I think Dan has stronger issues against his cubi heritage because he came into it as an adventurer with cubi-fighting experience. Abel may have never (to his knowledge) met a cubi until Aniz revealed himself.

Aniz didn't exactly give a good first impression. It'll be interesting to see how Abel copes with other cubi for a start. So far, he doesn't seem to appreciate Fa'lina being with him. And I don't think it was her boob talk that made him run for the door...
Title: Re: 20/08/03 [Abel 2 #25] B Yourself.
Post by: Alterationartist on August 06, 2008, 11:19:06 PM
Quote from: Paul on August 06, 2008, 02:33:00 PM
Quote from: AmigaDragon on August 04, 2008, 11:33:15 AM
Quote from: Alterationartist on August 03, 2008, 07:24:21 PM
If anything, he might strike up with a headache soon similar to Dan. It might also become varied dependent of whether or not Abel current wishes to be a cubi, similar to the issues that Dan might be struggling with.

I think Dan has stronger issues against his cubi heritage because he came into it as an adventurer with cubi-fighting experience. Abel may have never (to his knowledge) met a cubi until Aniz revealed himself.

Aniz didn't exactly give a good first impression.
Right out my mouth.