YAY! first post!
I didn't actually have much to say yet on this. Let's see where the thread goes
Holy crap. He did create the undead race. And right off the bat we get both sides of the story! This is really interesting: it might actually take me a night to digest it all. I also find it interesting that Dark Pegasus might not be his real name. So many questions: Why is it that every single new comic seems to induce a paradigm shift in our understanding of their world?
I can't say I'm really surprised. It's been hinted at on multiple occasions in this flashback that DP makes a point of destroying undead, using them to power the death knights and all. It also makes sense that undead would seek revenge: With their capacity for sensation diminished or possibly nonexistent, they are unfeeling machines of flesh and bone with memories of a happier existence that came to a peaceful conclusion brought to an end by an incompetent demon. Undead logic: I either go back to peaceful rest or get revenge against the one who disturbed it: win-win!
Amber, look at it this way. By missing the reunion, you saved traveling expenses which can now be spent on other things. Maybe you can make it next time. A month from now, I'll be in Idaho for a family reunion for 2 weeks and will have at least a week worth of comics and other stories to catch up on (might catch some on my brother's internet connection while still in Idaho).
I just have to make sure I can get someone to take care of my weekly recording and radio edit while I'm gone. The recording is already taken care of, but if an alternate can do that, it'll take the load off the regular sound system operators. Unlike Amber, I can't do my tasks from remote locations out of state.
Oh, and second panel, still glowing red, so he's keeping the power built up while they talk, ready to attack at any moment.
Oh, Amber, I missed your news entry. I'm sorry about you missing your reunion. Well, like AmigaDragon basically said, there's always next year. I've screwed up due dates and stuff like that plenty before, and it even once helped me miss a reunion myself. Then again, since most f my family is just as nuts as I am, that was probably a good thing...
As for the wallpapers... ho boy... I do not envy your decision at all.
Wall o' text, gotta love it.
Not much to say about the comic other than I now have the answer to a question.
As for the wallpapers... I'm not much of an opinion. So long as Dan and Regina have places of honor, I'm good.
Quote from: Pagan on July 16, 2008, 03:26:01 AM
As for the wallpapers... I'm not much of an opinion. So long as Dan and Regina have places of honor, I'm good.
And so long as Jyrras and Abel are somewhere near one another - preferably with Abel continuing to leave Jyrras flustered! (Just kidding, Amber: do it however you want!)
Personally, I don't mind the wall of text. Also: scratch my theory that DP doesn't like to monologue, since he seems to be doing it fine here.
Apparently, DP's career has just been one long string of dismal failures.
Wallpaper: Just draw everyone swimming. Keep everyone low enough in the water and don't draw any straps; you'll imply that the girls, and by association, the boys, are skinnydipping. It's easily interpreted as fanservice; but, you don't actually have to draw anything.
(In all honesty, though, I'd prefer it if you avoided fanservice like a plague. Or subverted it in a humorous manner. Well, that's what I'd do, anyway.)
Quote from: Jairus on July 16, 2008, 03:42:59 AM
Personally, I don't mind the wall of text. Also: scratch my theory that DP doesn't like to monologue, since he seems to be doing it fine here.
Well to be fair, he is dialoguing more than monologuing since he is more or less responding to Hannah. :U
Quote from: AmigaDragon on July 16, 2008, 02:53:03 AM
Amber, look at it this way. By missing the reunion, you saved traveling expenses which can now be spent on other things.
Worst. Consoling. Ever. :<
Quote from: Ganurath on July 16, 2008, 02:45:08 AM
It also makes sense that undead would seek revenge:
For some yeah...but sadly its not the ones that simply want revenge that DP is concerned about. Really, that would be understandable and tolerated. DP's paranoia comes from the ones who have created cults around being Undead and would love to get their hands on what DP knows and feel his proper place is as their Undead leader and lord.
Quote from: Amber Williams on July 16, 2008, 03:52:32 AM
Quote from: Ganurath on July 16, 2008, 02:45:08 AM
It also makes sense that undead would seek revenge:
For some yeah...but sadly its not the ones that simply want revenge that DP is concerned about. Really, that would be understandable and tolerated. DP's paranoia comes from the ones who have created cults around being Undead and would love to get their hands on what DP knows and feel his proper place is as their Undead leader and lord.
Wow... the way you put it, it almost makes DP sound... honorable. As if he knows that he screwed up, and doesn't want to make it any worse, while there are people out there who want to take it even further. Sure, exterminating all of the Undead is a little extreme, but still it's... interesting to say the least. Is he just not interested in further experiments with the undead concept, or does he feel that since he screwed up the first time it's just going to keep happening that way? Oy, I'll say it again: "Why is it that every single new comic seems to induce a paradigm shift in our understanding of their world?"
Is the comic posted elsewhere? I can't connect to the main site for some reason.
Main site not loading. Comic not visible. Panic commencing. 'A'
Same boat, minus the panic.
See here (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,4795.0.html) for details; remain calm, stick your head between your knees, and take deep breaths. ;-]
Site is back up.
As for the wallpapers, could I suggest that you put everyone in superhero outfits. :mowsmile
Quote from: Amber Williams on July 16, 2008, 03:52:32 AM
Quote from: AmigaDragon on July 16, 2008, 02:53:03 AM
Amber, look at it this way. By missing the reunion, you saved traveling expenses which can now be spent on other things.
Worst. Consoling. Ever. :<
Ok, look at it this way. You could have
my family instead. :B
*Charline unceremoniously bashes Charles out of the way for her much more important self-glorification* Anyway, this proves DP is a novice! I would never forget to remove the self-will from my created slaves! It's such a simple thing to figure out! And of course, to reiterate, he's been beaten by Dan! Fa'lina beat Dan with a picture frame over the head! Sorry DP, you rate along the lines of Gargamel in terms of villainy. I, as a comparison, would be at level with Knives of "Trigun". >:3
Quote from: AndersW on July 16, 2008, 09:40:10 AM
Site is back up.
Not from here, it's not. Since it's a routing issue, that means it could well be up for some people, and not everyone. :-/
I feel all discriminated against. ;-]
Yeah, I can't see it either.
Site's down for me too. Always glad to know you're not alone when something crappy happens. :rolleyes
Okay, here's a link Amber put up to todays comic...
http://www.mabsland.com/tmp/Vol922.jpg (http://www.mabsland.com/tmp/Vol922.jpg)
There we go!
Quote from: Amber Williams on July 16, 2008, 03:52:32 AM
Quote from: Jairus on July 16, 2008, 03:42:59 AM
Personally, I don't mind the wall of text. Also: scratch my theory that DP doesn't like to monologue, since he seems to be doing it fine here.
Well to be fair, he is dialoguing more than monologuing since he is more or less responding to Hannah. :U
Quote from: AmigaDragon on July 16, 2008, 02:53:03 AM
Amber, look at it this way. By missing the reunion, you saved traveling expenses which can now be spent on other things.
Worst. Consoling. Ever. :<
Quote from: Ganurath on July 16, 2008, 02:45:08 AM
It also makes sense that undead would seek revenge:
For some yeah...but sadly its not the ones that simply want revenge that DP is concerned about. Really, that would be understandable and tolerated. DP's paranoia comes from the ones who have created cults around being Undead and would love to get their hands on what DP knows and feel his proper place is as their Undead leader and lord.
...Hmm. Wouldn't that work to his advantage? I forgot to get rid of their free-will...but now they are worshipping me. A cult can be easily directed at the hands of their "Lord". ;)
Also, Hahaha. x3 Nice top bar. Co-CO!
Except that they've retained who they were as well. While they might feel that he should be their 'Lord' they likely have their own views about how he should act as said 'Lord'. This may or may not fit in with what he wants. Not to mention he's ashamed of seeing them since it's a reminder that he screwed up. Most don't want to hang around a reminder of their failure, but would rather move on.
Quote from: Lucheek on July 16, 2008, 01:21:38 PM
...Hmm. Wouldn't that work to his advantage? I forgot to get rid of their free-will...but now they are worshipping me. A cult can be easily directed at the hands of their "Lord". ;)
Also, Hahaha. x3 Nice top bar. Co-CO!
Only if they were dumb enough to let him keep being alive, they want him undead remember.
He doesn't have an extremely good reason to try again with the whole undead of Furrae thing. His Death Knights require a bit more labor to create but are still based in undead tech and are more obedient then his last attempt. Mind you they can and do make mistakes.
Recycling, what a wonderful idea :P
It seems a bit campy, probably, but a summer-wear tug of war between the sexes could be interesting.
You've probably already scrapped that idea though.
Website isn't up for me, still, but I was able to see the comic from the alternate hosting place.
I actually really like Dark Pegasus, but I have a weakness for the magnificently eloquent types anyway. Most of my villains end up falling within that archetype for that reason. It's also extremely interesting to find out that Dark Pegasus was responsible for the Undead race's creation >:3 Great plot twist, Amber.
~Keaton the Black Jackal
And for no apparent reason...
Zombie hello kitty!
(http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t41/MThreat/zombiehellokitty2.jpg)
...
Whoever made that had problems. I am so glad I have to walk to class right now: that'll give me plenty of opportunity to drive it from my head by listening to Japanese groups singing songs I don't understand.
It is kind of cute, though. I just wouldn't want one myself.
A bit off topic, a lot random. But those things are awesome. Have a cookie, Hazard.
Wait... Hannah mentions that Dark Pegasus is only going by that name these days... I wonder what he was known as previously?
huh so that's where he gets the dark part and here i thought it was a cool nickname from college
p.s. it's princess unicorn ..... wait maybe he is a unicorn amber said they exist and as i said in my earlier thread he does have a horn :mowhappy yay i figured you out amber
So would the cults want DP as their undisputed lord, or do they just want a figure head for all the undead to rally behind.
Quote from: joshofspam on July 16, 2008, 03:17:31 PM
So would the cults want DP as their undisputed lord, or do they just want a figure head for all the undead to rally behind.
Remember the second Pirates of the Caribbean movie, how Jack was the god of the tribe but had to do what they expected of him?
Hmm, so DP is the Maker of the undead? I wonder if that would be enough to qualify him for deityhood among them? I hope not, because the last thing we need is Dark Pegasus, Divine Being who wants to destroy his creations. :erk
Hmm... undeads who are into being undead. I see nothing wrong with spreading the good (if deadly) bite word. I can see the upside to the whole thing, a being can become a creature without too much trouble, besides death. Then you get semi-immortality, good magic strength, the other benefits of being reanimated. Who wouldn't want that?
Quote from: Pagan on July 16, 2008, 03:49:51 PM
Hmm... undeads who are into being undead. I see nothing wrong with spreading the good (if deadly) bite word. I can see the upside to the whole thing, a being can become a creature without too much trouble, besides death. Then you get semi-immortality, good magic strength, the other benefits of being reanimated. Who wouldn't want that?
I'll skip, personally. I think that DP is interested in a true form of immortality, rather than merely being Undead.
Not talkin about Dark Peg, I'm talking about the general being populace.
The lack of sensation and inability to taste anything other than living flesh is kind of a deal-breaker.
...
So... is dark pegasus undead now? I mean, in the present not the flashback. I guess we don't *really* know but it makes sense for it to be one of the undead cults to steal his body.
Well, you have to sacrifice something in every deal. Equal exchange and all that. To me though, a shot at longer life and possible immortality and a life away from pain is worth any trade.
I could see being undead as a possible stopgap measure to true immortality... and if the general populace knew everything about the undead, perhaps some of them would choose it. Right now, though, I'm thinking about the fact that children cannot become undead, and the fact that undead cannot breed: I'm sensing potential problems if every being became an Undead.
That is a problem... though really, I'm more concerned on a personal level than global scale.
Quote from: terrycloth on July 16, 2008, 04:02:57 PM
The lack of sensation and inability to taste anything other than living flesh is kind of a deal-breaker.
Hannah obviously has some sensation, otherwise she wouldn't have been so quick to snuggle Dan's feathers. I suspect that a total loss of sensation is a worst-case scenario for when the body has really been beaten up.
QuoteSo... is dark pegasus undead now? I mean, in the present not the flashback. I guess we don't *really* know but it makes sense for it to be one of the undead cults to steal his body.
That would be poetic justice, in a way. Though I doubt we'd be that lucky.
Quote from: Jairus on July 16, 2008, 04:18:44 PM
Right now, though, I'm thinking about the fact that children cannot become undead, and the fact that undead cannot breed: I'm sensing potential problems if every being became an Undead.
Ironically enough, the children not being Undead was a deliberate action on Dark Pegasus' part. He, as well as a couple others he worked with, found the idea of using children and infants in his Undead army to be a disgusting idea and so put the paramaters of the spell to not affect them. DP didn't have ideals of making an Undead world, he was more interested in an easily recycled super-army he could use however he wished.
Unfortunately several of the cults now have an ideal of making an Undead world. Which is partially why they are also so eager to catch up to DP. Dark Pegaus is, more or less, the master of this particular spellcraft. While there have been lesser forms of creating an Undead servant, DP perfected it and figured out what made it work to the point he was able to branch off and do some new things alltogether.
I feel kind of bad since while this most recent comic was quite the wall of text, I could have added a lot more. :B
Quote from: Amber Williams on July 16, 2008, 05:26:11 PM
Quote from: Jairus on July 16, 2008, 04:18:44 PM
Right now, though, I'm thinking about the fact that children cannot become undead, and the fact that undead cannot breed: I'm sensing potential problems if every being became an Undead.
Ironically enough, the children not being Undead was a deliberate action on Dark Pegasus' part. He, as well as a couple others he worked with, found the idea of using children and infants in his Undead army to be a disgusting idea and so put the paramaters of the spell to not affect them. DP didn't have ideals of making an Undead world, he was more interested in an easily recycled super-army he could use however he wished.
Unfortunately several of the cults now have an ideal of making an Undead world. Which is partially why they are also so eager to catch up to DP. Dark Pegaus is, more or less, the master of this particular spellcraft. While there have been lesser forms of creating an Undead servant, DP perfected it and figured out what made it work to the point he was able to branch off and do some new things alltogether.
Wow... so these cults want him to take it to the next step and refine the process? Heck, him being unwilling to use children in his army even sounds a bit like my notion of him being a relatively honorable individual. Wait... he worked with someone else? Ho boy. Just out of curiosity, did any of those other individuals go on to become undead themselves in an attempt at relative immortality, only to discover that DP had set parameters on the spell to prevent breeding? I mean, they'd want him to basically "reset" the spell if he was the one who created it in the first place, so they'd try to create these cults in an attempt to make him join them and thus forcing him to fix the limiter... my thoughts aren't all that well organized, are they?
Quote from: Jairus on July 16, 2008, 05:31:45 PM
my thoughts aren't all that well organized, are they?
No. I'd really recommend thinking these things through before posting anything. Otherwise you may annoy Amber, and an annoyed Amber makes for less comics.
See if you can guess what happens after that. ;-]
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on July 16, 2008, 05:35:15 PM
No. I'd really recommend thinking these things through before posting anything. Otherwise you may annoy Amber, and an annoyed Amber makes for less comics.
See if you can guess what happens after that. ;-]
Everyone on the forum tracks me down and lynches me?
Alright, let's try this again...
So, the cults seem to want DP to refine the spell and make it possible for them to breed and give birth to more Undead. Amber mentioned that he worked with some other people to create the Undead, and I was wondering if perhaps these other members became Undead themselves shortly after they learned that the Undead retained their free will after Undeath. However, they might not have been able to alter the spells themselves, and needed DP to reset it the spell to allow reproduction. They might want to make him an Undead himself, forcing him to "repair" spell. I guess.
EDIT: Shoot, Pagan basically said what I wanted to say about the other people involved while I was editing. Oh well.
I won't. I'd be more concerned with finding these other high level necromancers. Hmm... if these guys are undead, they'd be something of a lich, right? Maybe they're the heads of the 'let's take over the world' cults? But if Dark Peg really is an uber necromancer, that's a solid reason for any undead imperialist to want their hands on him.
Hmm.... what would happen if beings stopped existing on Furrae? Creatures lose a food source but also lose a predator... Animals lose a predator. Kinda like the mongoose goes away and it's only the cobras and mice left. Would the world really stop turning though? There's plenty of other sentients.
Besides, it's not as if this is a really important universe anyway, remember?
Quote from: Amber Williams on July 16, 2008, 05:26:11 PM
I feel kind of bad since while this most recent comic was quite the wall of text, I could have added a lot more. :B
It's not Ctrl+Alt+Del, and the greatly reduced amount of bullshit and more appealing characters help. Personally, I think you could hit us with another one o' them walls, and I'd hardly complain. :3
Quote from: Stygian on July 16, 2008, 06:29:09 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on July 16, 2008, 05:26:11 PM
I feel kind of bad since while this most recent comic was quite the wall of text, I could have added a lot more. :B
It's not Ctrl+Alt+Del, and the greatly reduced amount of bullshit and more appealing characters help. Personally, I think you could hit us with another one o' them walls, and I'd hardly complain. :3
Just don't make us run into these walls too often... a little head trauma goes a long way, as my disjointed thoughts prove.
*Charline hmphs* DP is proving to be quite a wuss! Undead infants would be an incredibly effective morale-breaker! And what's best, you can kidnap people's children and threaten to do the same to them! Very soon all would obey you or watch their young become brain-eating monsters! It's no good being evil if you're not willing to go all the way. >:3
Quote from: Alondro on July 16, 2008, 06:45:18 PM
*Charline hmphs* DP is proving to be quite a wuss! Undead infants would be an incredibly effective morale-breaker! And what's best, you can kidnap people's children and threaten to do the same to them! Very soon all would obey you or watch their young become brain-eating monsters! It's no good being evil if you're not willing to go all the way. >:3
Morale-breaker yes, but infants and babies are nearly useless as soldiers. A child soldier is indeed a possibility, but I think DP would have wanted more physically fit young-adult and adult soldiers for his armies, rather than small children.
It's almost like DP doesn't want to do any more than is necessary for world domination... which either doesn't make sense or means that he is a truly effective villain.
Quote from: Stygian on July 16, 2008, 06:29:09 PM
It's not Ctrl+Alt+Del
Thank God for that. B^U's a Bad Person in so many ways.
Quote from: Jairus on July 16, 2008, 06:48:06 PM
Morale-breaker yes, but infants and babies are nearly useless as soldiers. A child soldier is indeed a possibility, but I think DP would have wanted more physically fit young-adult and adult soldiers for his armies, rather than small children.
It's almost like DP doesn't want to do any more than is necessary for world domination... which either doesn't make sense or means that he is a truly effective villain.
Who said DP desires world domination?
I will say this much...the thing to try to remember with DP is that he doesn't particularly strive to be a villain or evil. He doesn't care for wasteful carnage or pointless acts of violence, and views those that engage in them as childish and lacking a true vision. In many ways he will often put civility as a priority. It is just that DP has goals, and he is more than willing to do things that are not "good" to achieve them. He doesn't really revel in acts of evil moreso than he sees them as an unfortunate necessity.
Quote from: Amber Williams on July 16, 2008, 07:07:39 PM
Who said DP desires world domination?
I will say this much...the thing to try to remember with DP is that he doesn't particularly strive to be a villain or evil. He doesn't care for wasteful carnage or pointless acts of violence, and views those that engage in them as childish and lacking a true vision. In many ways he will often put civility as a priority. It is just that DP has goals, and he is more than willing to do things that are not "good" to achieve them. He doesn't really revel in acts of evil moreso than he sees them as an unfortunate necessity.
Now that I know this about DP's perspective, I think I like him even
more now.
~Keaton the Black Jackal
I find myself wondering a few things.
1) What was DP called before he was DP?
2) How long had Hannah been dead before she was raised up as an effect of the spell?
2.5) How did Hannah die?
3) How is Dan reacting to this information overload?
4) What exactly is DP's goal?
And basically, Amber, what you're telling us is that DP isn't evil...he's just determined. My mind compared him to the witch in Into the Woods ("I was just trying to be a good mother!") and now I'm going to forever imagine Bernadette Peters playing DP and singing "The Last Midnight"...
Quote from: terrycloth on July 16, 2008, 04:02:57 PMSo... is dark pegasus undead now? I mean, in the present not the flashback. I guess we don't *really* know but it makes sense for it to be one of the undead cults to steal his body.
his cast pages says it's probable he knows a better way of coming back from the dead rather than becoming an undead, so if he does I guess it would be safe to assume he uses it on himself
So much info and that is major suckage what happened Amber..Not even I can rember proper events of familys too
These wall-o-text comics are always pretty awesome...then again, I may be biased, considering the amount I usually read per day. The image of the wall made of text-bricks is going to keep me giggling for the next few days. :mowhappy
I love how these type always get the forum going. All these little bits of info that get dribbled out to us during the following posts are so cool! Plus, DP developing (for us) into something other than black-and-white villain? Totally rocks! :ipod
Quote from: silentassassin on July 16, 2008, 03:04:49 PM
huh so that's where he gets the dark part and here i thought it was a cool nickname from college
p.s. it's princess unicorn ..... wait maybe he is a unicorn amber said they exist and as i said in my earlier thread he does have a horn :mowhappy yay i figured you out amber
yeah i put his post at the end of page 1 so not many saw it so im just reposting i guess
Quote from: Amber Williams on July 16, 2008, 07:07:39 PM
In many ways [Dark Pegasus] will often put civility as a priority. It is just that DP has goals, and he is more than willing to do things that are not "good" to achieve them. He doesn't really revel in acts of evil moreso than he sees them as an unfortunate necessity.
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on July 16, 2008, 07:16:10 PM
Now that I know this about DP's perspective, I think I like him even more now.
'When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite.'
- Winston Churchill
>:3
Quote from: Amber Williams on July 16, 2008, 07:07:39 PM
Quote from: Jairus on July 16, 2008, 06:48:06 PM
Morale-breaker yes, but infants and babies are nearly useless as soldiers. A child soldier is indeed a possibility, but I think DP would have wanted more physically fit young-adult and adult soldiers for his armies, rather than small children.
It's almost like DP doesn't want to do any more than is necessary for world domination... which either doesn't make sense or means that he is a truly effective villain.
Who said DP desires world domination?
I will say this much...the thing to try to remember with DP is that he doesn't particularly strive to be a villain or evil. He doesn't care for wasteful carnage or pointless acts of violence, and views those that engage in them as childish and lacking a true vision. In many ways he will often put civility as a priority. It is just that DP has goals, and he is more than willing to do things that are not "good" to achieve them. He doesn't really revel in acts of evil moreso than he sees them as an unfortunate necessity.
Wow... um... all of a sudden my respect for DP has shot up half a dozen points or so. Hm, I need to think about this, but currently I'm having visions of Havelock Vetinari of Ankh-Morpork of the Discworld placed beside DP, and that is frightening. What is DP up to?
Quote from: KelseyPotter on July 16, 2008, 07:29:49 PM
And basically, Amber, what you're telling us is that DP isn't evil...he's just determined. My mind compared him to the witch in Into the Woods ("I was just trying to be a good mother!") and now I'm going to forever imagine Bernadette Peters playing DP and singing "The Last Midnight"...
Great, now I've got that image stuck in my head too. That is really appropriate though...
"Careful the spell you cast, not just on children. Sometimes the spell will last, past what you can see, and turn against you. Careful the tale you tell, that is the spell."
Quote from: Stygian on July 16, 2008, 09:27:28 PM
'When you have to kill a man it costs nothing to be polite.'
- Winston Churchill
>:3
For some reason, I'm reminded of an image Zarla (http://www.zarla.deviantart.com/) made which showed Morgan Fey from Phoenix Wright: Justice For All going, "I'm so sorry for breaking your clavicle but it was really your own fault for making me upset." XD
Only in Dark Pegasus's case it possibly could be, "I'm sorry for breaking your neck but it was really your own fault for interfering in my plans. Now I suppose I might as well use your skull as an ashtray; I need furniture and you shouldn't waste perfectly good cadavers."
~Keaton the Black Jackal
Quote from: Jairus on July 16, 2008, 09:32:47 PM
Wow... um... all of a sudden my respect for DP has shot up half a dozen points or so. Hm, I need to think about this, but currently I'm having visions of Havelock Vetinari of Ankh-Morpork of the Discworld placed beside DP, and that is frightening. What is DP up to?
I can't but feel that Lord Vetinari has Pegasus to beat when it comes to being a sheer Magnificent Bastard. However, dear Vetinari doesn't have the same magnitude of personal power. I would refrain from trying to pit one against the other though. It might be hazardous to the surroundings. And particularly, to anyone actually trying to manipulate either of them...
For me though, the one great question here is not 'what is Dark Pegasus up to?'. That is far too mundane, and as has been thought and said before, theoretically, if anyone actually manages to guess what is going on Amber just might change her plans, just to snub people and to be creative. No, what question occupies my mind is actually: Is 'Dark Pegasus' his real name? If so, which is the surname? Or will it just turn out to be a simple alias? And if so, what might his
real name be?
...David?
I love walls of text! espically when they are this informative!
Reading the arc where he and dan fight for the first time I had origionally thought Dark Pegasus was the cliche supervillan type with unnecessarily hopless and complex plans. The newfound depth is definitely enjoyable.
Also, his shoulder pads remind me of my days painting warhammer 40,000 shoulder pads for my space marine army.
(http://escobar.id.au/essays/armour_img/spacemarine.jpg)
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on July 16, 2008, 07:16:10 PM
Now that I know this about DP's perspective, I think I like him even more now.
~Keaton the Black Jackal
I agree. I have always had a bit of a soft spot for him, probably something to do with my voicing him in the radio project.
And yes, an evil character who has another side to him, or motives you can sympathize with is always best.
Quote from: Stygian on July 16, 2008, 09:44:28 PM
I can't but feel that Lord Vetinari has Pegasus to beat when it comes to being a sheer Magnificent Bastard. However, dear Vetinari doesn't have the same magnitude of personal power. I would refrain from trying to pit one against the other though. It might be hazardous to the surroundings. And particularly, to anyone actually trying to manipulate either of them...
I don't know. I don't think Vetinari _needs_ any personal power. He's got that whole "out-thinking everyone else" thing going on.
And so far, he's actually _planned_ to be caught and thrown in his own prison, for example; if he _wanted_ to be thrown in there, why would be bring out any power in fighting it?
And then there's the camouflage classes; he turned up religiously, but was never seen by the tutor. That there is a lot of power; how do you kill someone you can't find?
of course the true defense of the patrician is that he makes a world with him in it infinitely preferable to a world without him- remove his life and everything falls apart, with people looking at you, expecting you to put it all back together again.
8) D.P seems to have almost set this all up. Why else would have he have got such baaad staff in the castle. Talk about how hard it is to get good help ?
Quote from: Amber Williams on July 16, 2008, 07:07:39 PM
Quote from: Jairus on July 16, 2008, 06:48:06 PM
Morale-breaker yes, but infants and babies are nearly useless as soldiers. A child soldier is indeed a possibility, but I think DP would have wanted more physically fit young-adult and adult soldiers for his armies, rather than small children.
It's almost like DP doesn't want to do any more than is necessary for world domination... which either doesn't make sense or means that he is a truly effective villain.
Who said DP desires world domination?
I will say this much...the thing to try to remember with DP is that he doesn't particularly strive to be a villain or evil. He doesn't care for wasteful carnage or pointless acts of violence, and views those that engage in them as childish and lacking a true vision. In many ways he will often put civility as a priority. It is just that DP has goals, and he is more than willing to do things that are not "good" to achieve them. He doesn't really revel in acts of evil moreso than he sees them as an unfortunate necessity.
I am bad with D&D alignments but does that make DP Neutral Evil? :)
'Neutral Evil is called the "Malefactor" alignment. Characters of this alignment are typically selfish and have no qualms about turning on their allies-of-the-moment. They have no compunctions about harming others to get what they want, but neither will they go out of their way to cause carnage or mayhem when they see no direct benefit to it.'
That basic description sounds about right, but you know more about DnD that me.
So, DP's goal is something big... really big. It might be world domination, it might not be. Whatever it is, it is something where a certain amount of "evil deeds" is necessary to accomplish it, and whatever it is is important enough that DP doesn't seem to care that people consider him evil. Interesting...
Wait a minute... could DP's grave being robbed (or planned to be robbed) be the potential snag (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_837.php) that Rose sensed? Ho boy, this could be bad.
Quote from: Jairus on July 16, 2008, 09:32:47 PM
Quote from: KelseyPotter on July 16, 2008, 07:29:49 PM
And basically, Amber, what you're telling us is that DP isn't evil...he's just determined. My mind compared him to the witch in Into the Woods ("I was just trying to be a good mother!") and now I'm going to forever imagine Bernadette Peters playing DP and singing "The Last Midnight"...
Great, now I've got that image stuck in my head too. That is really appropriate though...
"Careful the spell you cast, not just on children. Sometimes the spell will last, past what you can see, and turn against you. Careful the tale you tell, that is the spell."
Especially the "not just on children" bit. I think DP's motives in creating the Undead race were a lot like most of the motives of the people in that play--he was so busy thinking about his goal that he disregarded some of the consequences that could happen. And, by the way, if the cast of DMFA ever put on Into the Woods, Dan would be the Big Bad Wolf/Cinderella's Prince. And Jyrras would make a great Jack.
Quote from: Akisohida on July 17, 2008, 11:17:27 AM
I am bad with D&D alignments but does that make DP Neutral Evil? :)
'Neutral Evil is called the "Malefactor" alignment. Characters of this alignment are typically selfish and have no qualms about turning on their allies-of-the-moment. They have no compunctions about harming others to get what they want, but neither will they go out of their way to cause carnage or mayhem when they see no direct benefit to it.'
Actually, Fourth Edition has streamlined the alignments by eliminating all the "Neutrals" and making the alignments Lawful Good, Good, Unaligned, Evil, and Chaotic Evil. So DP, under the new system, is technically Evil, Lawful and Neutral Evils having been combined to form Evil.
...But I digress...yes, under the "old" standards, DP would have been Neutral Evil.
Quote from: KelseyPotter on July 17, 2008, 11:26:21 AM
Quote from: Akisohida on July 17, 2008, 11:17:27 AM
I am bad with D&D alignments but does that make DP Neutral Evil? :)
'Neutral Evil is called the "Malefactor" alignment. Characters of this alignment are typically selfish and have no qualms about turning on their allies-of-the-moment. They have no compunctions about harming others to get what they want, but neither will they go out of their way to cause carnage or mayhem when they see no direct benefit to it.'
Actually, Fourth Edition has streamlined the alignments by eliminating all the "Neutrals" and making the alignments Lawful Good, Good, Unaligned, Evil, and Chaotic Evil. So DP, under the new system, is technically Evil, Lawful and Neutral Evils having been combined to form Evil.
...But I digress...yes, under the "old" standards, DP would have been Neutral Evil.
Even those his philosophy seems closest to that of Hextor, a Lawful Evil deity.
Being evil does not mean you have to be baby eating, child beating, puppy kicking evil. You could be victory by any means necessary but be polite evil.