AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
OWNED. >:3 Oh Aniz. That asshole. He's just a stupid bully at heart, throwing a tantrum when he's confronted with someone he isn't able to slap around.
~Keaton the Black Jackal
Yes, owned.
"Three on the way" *snerk*
Aniz lacks the big ideas.
Hmm what is he doing exactly
He can't be breeding an army because that would require his kids like him or atleast respect him.
This is making me think that he might be Devins father
Quote from: Mwa on April 20, 2008, 05:36:32 PM
So he does have some kind of plan. I like his angry wings, and the way the circle around him spikes with said wings. :boogie
Also last one? This has been tried before! :O
I absolutely love Fa'Lina's expression in pane 4. And it is interesting that he wasn't the first to do this kind of thing.
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 20, 2008, 05:47:10 PM
I absolutely love Fa'Lina's expression in pane 4. And it is interesting that he wasn't the first to do this kind of thing.
It was kind of hinted in the Cubi page of the Hybrid Genetics Mini-Arc that Aniz isn't the only one to go on a reproduction crusade. (http://missmab.com/Demo/HG02.php) Or it could have been how I interpreted it, but it did make Aniz's plans a little more clear to me.
~Keaton the Black Jackal
Maybe if you bring enough of your kinds in, you'll get some kind of a premium? :B Nah, that's not likely to be a reason..
Also, I find Aniz's reaction highly annoying. He should realize that he is defeated, and face his defeat like a man, not like a bratty child. Shame on you, Aniz. You have lost a fan in my face right when you said "That is unfair". But Fa'Lina's retort was absolutely priceless. She has the power and she knows how to use it.
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on April 20, 2008, 05:49:10 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 20, 2008, 05:47:10 PM
And it is interesting that he wasn't the first to do this kind of thing.
It was kind of hinted in the Cubi page of the Hybrid Genetics Mini-Arc that Aniz isn't the only one to go on a reproduction crusade.
It's not entirely clear whether that's what they mean. Remember, Fa'Lina has basically allocated 75 years to make Abel sane (ish). That was her rationale, the implication being that if Abel had been
sane should wouldn't have placed such a restriction.
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on April 20, 2008, 05:49:10 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 20, 2008, 05:47:10 PM
I absolutely love Fa'Lina's expression in pane 4. And it is interesting that he wasn't the first to do this kind of thing.
It was kind of hinted in the Cubi page of the Hybrid Genetics Mini-Arc that Aniz isn't the only one to go on a reproduction crusade. (http://missmab.com/Demo/HG02.php) Or it could have been how I interpreted it, but it did make Aniz's plans a little more clear to me.
I'm minded of another story I've read, in which a ruler of an area on a planet newly reconnected to the rest of the human sphere (and hence newly met up with things like cloning, and babies in bottles, rather than mothers) decided to increase his population. Rather than by setting taxes so that people would move in, he decided to use the spare ovarian cells collected when various folks in his demesne visited the clinic, that they didn't use and would normally be discarded, to generate him some daughters.
A hundred something.
Since it wasn't against the law, the emperor had to come up with some other way of slapping him down. As I recall, the legal tangle meant that the emperor could specify that he had to pay dowries on them all, as part of the checks and balances keeping everyone working together. And he could set the dowries arbitrarily high...
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on April 20, 2008, 05:50:38 PM
Maybe if you bring enough of your kinds in, you'll get some kind of a premium? :B Nah, that's not likely to be a reason..
Meh... could be. Perhaps he wants to have a lot of kids and start his own clan or somesuch (i.e. boost himself into Tri-Winged status). We do know that his existing clan is currently founderless and nearly extinct...
Quote from: Tezkat on April 20, 2008, 06:01:04 PM
We do know that his existing clan is currently founderless and nearly extinct...
Well, we know that 375-odd years later, in present DMFA time, the clan is pretty much extinct. We're still not entirely sure of it's current state in the Abel Story canon.
He had best realize the fact he is outclassed and concede the point before he does something stupid and pointless. :mwaha
Take it and shove it, Aniz. This is her school that she provides as a SERVICE to the rest of the Cubi, out of her own generosity (or her own machiavellian plans, whatever, she still doesn't HAVE to do it). She sets the rules here. She's doing you a FAVOR by letting your kids enroll at all. You want to tell her what she can and can't do in her home? Do you have ANY idea what she could DO to you if she decides you're becoming too much of a bother?
The emotional trauma Abel's giving off right now has to be causing havoc among the rest of the students, especially any relatively new ones. That's not something that can be "fixed" easily. Figure several years just to deal with troubles caused by that, and then another good number of them as a slap on the wrist for Aniz for giving Fa'Lina this hassle to begin with. Sounds fair to me.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 20, 2008, 06:00:16 PM
I'm minded of another story I've read, in which a ruler of an area on a planet newly reconnected to the rest of the human sphere (and hence newly met up with things like cloning, and babies in bottles, rather than mothers) decided to increase his population. Rather than by setting taxes so that people would move in, he decided to use the spare ovarian cells collected when various folks in his demesne visited the clinic, that they didn't use and would normally be discarded, to generate him some daughters.
A hundred something.
Since it wasn't against the law, the emperor had to come up with some other way of slapping him down. As I recall, the legal tangle meant that the emperor could specify that he had to pay dowries on them all, as part of the checks and balances keeping everyone working together. And he could set the dowries arbitrarily high...
Quote from: A Civil CampaignDowries! Dowries! A hundred and eighteen dowries...
I love that book. :mowsmile
Yeah squak all you want big red but she gots you on a fine string
Hee, I knew he had more kids on the way!
Charline is much more clever...
... she eats her kids!!! :U
Quote from: Tezkat on April 20, 2008, 06:01:04 PM
Meh... could be. Perhaps he wants to have a lot of kids and start his own clan or somesuch (i.e. boost himself into Tri-Winged status).
That has given me some very interesting (and rather nasty) ideas to play with.
Quote from: Alondro on April 20, 2008, 06:36:43 PM
Hee, I knew he had more kids on the way!
Charline is much more clever...
... she eats her kids!!! :U
Didn't Amber turn Charline good some time back? Or did I miss some conversation around here where that got fixed? (entirely likely, I don't read any threads except the ones about the current comic).
Quote from: AndersW on April 20, 2008, 06:35:01 PM
Quote from: A Civil CampaignDowries! Dowries! A hundred and eighteen dowries...
I love that book. :mowsmile
I thought that scenario sounded familiar. Been a while since I last read
A Civil Campaign, though, so I wasn't sure.
I'm wondering, though, how right we are about our guesses on Aniz and "his plans". Is he just using the "cuckoo strategy" to bootstrap his clan's numbers? Sounds like it, from Fa'lina's reply, but I'm also remembering Amber's hula-fu. The combined DMFA fandom has been surprised before... ;)
1) When Aniz said "He looks just like them"- who is them?
2) When Fa'Lina said "The last person who tried this"- What is this?
Over all question, "WHAT IS ANIZ'S GOAL?"
ANSWERS.
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on April 20, 2008, 05:50:38 PM
Maybe if you bring enough of your kinds in, you'll get some kind of a premium? :B Nah, that's not likely to be a reason..
Also, I find Aniz's reaction highly annoying. He should realize that he is defeated, and face his defeat like a man, not like a bratty child. Shame on you, Aniz. You have lost a fan in my face right when you said "That is unfair". But Fa'Lina's retort was absolutely priceless. She has the power and she knows how to use it.
Well, I can imagine having such a sparse clan would make one a little indignant at having a metaphorical chastity belt locked on you for the next seventy-six years. 3 to 1 says he breaks that, though, and suffers the consequences. (Why the hell am I sympathizing with him right now? I mean, he's a bastard, but I still feel a little bad for him...)
And yeah, Fa'Lina pwns massively right now.
It's always nagged me: If clan founders cannot reproduce, how does the clan get started to begin with? Making a wild guess here, but I think one of the supposed requirements is to have a certain number of offsprings first , and when you reach a threshold, you become sufficiently powerful to forge your own clan (and taking all the offsprings into fold as well.).
Fa'lina owns. *has been bumped up to my favorite character. Sorry Dan*
Quote from: Psaakyrn on April 20, 2008, 08:42:16 PM
It's always nagged me: If clan founders cannot reproduce, how does the clan get started to begin with? Making a wild guess here, but I think one of the supposed requirements is to have a certain number of offsprings first , and when you reach a threshold, you become sufficiently powerful to forge your own clan (and taking all the offsprings into fold as well.).
I suspect a clan founder doesn't simply start with themselves and say "I'm starting a clan!" but rather has a certain number of supporters who want to be their own clan and has them be sort of the "base members" so to speak of the new clan. Thus, while the founder him/herself can't reproduce, the people he or she brings into the clan at the moment of founding can.
Quote from: Alondro on April 20, 2008, 06:36:43 PM
Hee, I knew he had more kids on the way!
Charline is much more clever...
... she eats her kids!!! :U
Careful, I think the last one she ate was a rock....
I used to believe that Aniz plan was shove his kids into the school use it as a way increase his prestige over the cubi race, but after seeing his tantrum, not any more. I mean so far Fa'Lina punch him twice and willing to do more if not for political reason and Abel well-being. Yet now he trying to get in her face, act it not fair.
Did he forget that royally screw over two other clans and brought his trouble in a basket to Fa'Lina? Did he honestly thought he was not going to get in trouble for his mess?
I mean his action and attiude lately, make me hard to beleive he can lead water down a river much less restore or increase his clan number lead them to glory.
So here another theory that I came up by this quote:
Quote from: Lucheek on April 20, 2008, 07:10:42 PM
1) When Aniz said "He looks just like them"- who is them?
Over all question, "WHAT IS ANIZ'S GOAL?"
I think Aniz trying to breed a special cubi. Like in FF7 where you mate chocobos together to breed powerful chocobo to travel anywhere. Aniz would breed powerful cubi and send him/her to SAIA to fully harness their power. To do what with I don't know.
Fa'Lina if she was not an unpredictable psyco I would hug then kiss her straight on the lips.
Yeah the odds of getting away with that are like 1 in 600,000 on one of her good days. Your more likely to burst into flames upon entering the same room.
Although what cool flames they would be, and the joy that would be had watching you run around on fire. Then what would be done with your half-dead body..., well that would be telling now wouldn't it. :mwaha
Quote from: Gamma on April 20, 2008, 11:58:03 PM
Yeah the odds of getting away with that are like 1 in 600,000 on one of her good days. Your more likely to burst into flames upon entering the same room.
Although what cool flames they would be, and the joy that would be had watching you run around on fire. Then what would be done with your half-dead body..., well that would be telling now wouldn't it. :mwaha
I say it's worth it, just because of the look on her face a few seconds before the slaughter.
I could say something that would make you say WTF... but I won't.
I'm not worried about catching fire, it is a regular thing for me to burst into flames. (well my avatar)
8) Hundreds of years after this, and Aniz's clan is almost extinct. Is this due to Aniz's 76 year ban. Abel's self-induced solitude at SAIA for hundreds of years ? Or is it a case of, " The clan may be sparse, but it still exists, and holds strong ... "
8) ( Fa''lina always seems to look good when she makes Aniz look small ... )
Quote from: Tezkat on April 20, 2008, 06:01:04 PM
Quote from: Ren Gaulen on April 20, 2008, 05:50:38 PM
Maybe if you bring enough of your kinds in, you'll get some kind of a premium? :B Nah, that's not likely to be a reason..
Meh... could be. Perhaps he wants to have a lot of kids and start his own clan or somesuch (i.e. boost himself into Tri-Winged status). We do know that his existing clan is currently founderless and nearly extinct...
point, it has been mentioned before when talking about things like wing tentacles that the power of an individual cubi relies heavily on the power of that cubi's clan.
although question how much power the clan gains by increasing its numbers as opposed to having members who are powerfull or the age of the clan as a whole.
aniz may very well be afraid that if he does not have a powerful clan he shall grow old faster then normal, and after that many years his gun may not have enough bullets
I'm just in awe in how gutsy Aniz is getting. He acted so afraid of her at first, but now, he looks ready to kill... hell... I wouldn't be surprised if that idiot tried, what with how he killed Hannaya and such out of anger, I wouldn't put any stupidity past him.
Fa'Lina's panel 4 expression made me squee like crazy. Cutest Fa'Lina expression I can remember! :boogie
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 20, 2008, 06:37:32 PM
Quote from: Tezkat on April 20, 2008, 06:01:04 PM
Meh... could be. Perhaps he wants to have a lot of kids and start his own clan or somesuch (i.e. boost himself into Tri-Winged status).
That has given me some very interesting (and rather nasty) ideas to play with.
"Jakob Does Dallas"? ("...and ends up on YouTube")
Quote from: Black_angel on April 20, 2008, 08:11:21 PM
Well, I can imagine having such a sparse clan would make one a little indignant at having a metaphorical chastity belt locked on you for the next seventy-six years. 3 to 1 says he breaks that, though, and suffers the consequences. (Why the hell am I sympathizing with him right now? I mean, he's a bastard, but I still feel a little bad for him...)
What consequences? All Fa'Lina has limited him to is that he's not allowed to enrol any new students for 75 years. He's welcome to spawn as many as he likes in that time, provided he doesn't take them to SAIA.
Quote from: Sid on April 21, 2008, 08:10:38 AM
"Jakob Does Dallas"? ("...and ends up on YouTube")
*snerk*
In other ideas, it occurs to me to wonder why Destania hasn't provided Dan with more siblings. After all, it's not like she's reached menopause; as long as Ed is around, and they're getting jiggy with it (sorry, JF), one would think you'd get another sibling every few years. At least once per ten year period or so. Unless 'Cubi have a tendency to spread the births much more, which is, IMNSHO, kinda sad. After all, you can see how much Dan and Alexsi get on, despite their differences.
^You just helped me think of a very sad thing. :mowsad
What if Dan had gotten married and started a family by now, or not been an adventurer and done the same.
His kids would probably live plenty long enough but his wife wouldn't.
How sad, tragic, and unfortunately I'm sure it wouldn't have been the first time someone had to see their wife age for the next 60+ years and feel guilty day in and day out.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 21, 2008, 10:49:32 AM
In other ideas, it occurs to me to wonder why Destania hasn't provided Dan with more siblings. After all, it's not like she's reached menopause; as long as Ed is around, and they're getting jiggy with it (sorry, JF), one would think you'd get another sibling every few years. At least once per ten year period or so. Unless 'Cubi have a tendency to spread the births much more, which is, IMNSHO, kinda sad. After all, you can see how much Dan and Alexsi get on, despite their differences.
But... Ed
isn't around. We know that he wasn't around much (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_388.php) while Dan was a kid. And he's on ice (literally (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_726.php)) in now.
Also, Creatures are pretty much at the top of the food chain, and they live for centuries, so it makes sense that they'd be inclined to control their own populations. Aniz implied that he considers four children a century to be on the high side, for instance.
Quote from: Gamma on April 21, 2008, 01:16:08 PM
What if Dan had gotten married and started a family by now, or not been an adventurer and done the same.
His kids would probably live plenty long enough but his wife wouldn't.
How sad, tragic, and unfortunately I'm sure it wouldn't have been the first time someone had to see their wife age for the next 60+ years and feel guilty day in and day out.
The plot of nearly every romance involving mere mortals and longer-lived races... :animesweat
Quote from: Tezkat on April 21, 2008, 02:27:23 PM
But... Ed isn't around. We know that he wasn't around much (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_388.php) while Dan was a kid. And he's on ice (literally (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_726.php)) in now.
Point. I hadn't realised just how early he started wandering off.
... I know
I have much more inclination to spend time at home than that, and I'm pretty sure my wife doesn't have the wingspan that Destania has... ;-]
Quote from: Tezkat on April 21, 2008, 02:27:23 PM
But... Ed isn't around. We know that he wasn't around much (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_388.php) while Dan was a kid. And he's on ice (literally (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_726.php)) in now.
:eek Uh-oh. Major uh-oh. I just had an apostrophe. (sic. It's a Hook reference.)
After looking at those two comics, I just foresaw a big big biiiiig problem with DP's return. He seemed surprised to learn that Destania had a kid... whether he knows that that kid is Dan I'm not positive, but I can guess he does. And the dragon race doesn't know Dan exists, save for Pyroduck, who doesn't really care. So if DP really wants to screw Dan over... oh shiz-nik.
Quote from: Gamma on April 21, 2008, 01:16:08 PM
^You just helped me think of a very sad thing. :mowsad
What if Dan had gotten married and started a family by now, or not been an adventurer and done the same.
His kids would probably live plenty long enough but his wife wouldn't.
How sad, tragic, and unfortunately I'm sure it wouldn't have been the first time someone had to see their wife age for the next 60+ years and feel guilty day in and day out.
(ahem cough Dan and Matilda cough)
Quote from: Black_angel on April 21, 2008, 05:06:08 PM
(ahem cough Dan and Matilda cough)
*hisses*
Blasphemyyyyyyy....
Quote from: Lucheek on April 20, 2008, 07:10:42 PM
1) When Aniz said "He looks just like them"- who is them?
2) When Fa'Lina said "The last person who tried this"- What is this?
Over all question, "WHAT IS ANIZ'S GOAL?"
Maybe he's trying to indirectly ressurrect certain members of his own clan, focusing on appearence and behavior rather then insanely difficult part to bring back: the soul.
Or maybe it really is all about clan reproduction. I mean, how small does a clan have to be to be to be considered almost dead and gone? Ten member, five members... two? It would be kind of interesting if Able more or less doubled the population of his own clan just by being born.
Quote from: Ryan_Galen on April 22, 2008, 09:45:07 AM
Or maybe it really is all about clan reproduction. I mean, how small does a clan have to be to be to be considered almost dead and gone? Ten member, five members... two? It would be kind of interesting if Able more or less doubled the population of his own clan just by being born.
I've heard a healthy clan ranges somewhere around 20-80 individuals. Personally I think it is a clan revival thing, but I guess we'll see.
I have a feeling Aniz is about to do something stupid again, in the last panel his wings are spread out in an aggressive display
Quote from: AmigaDragon on April 22, 2008, 11:11:18 AM
I have a feeling Aniz is about to do something stupid again, in the last panel his wings are spread out in an aggressive display
Here's a quick test to see if Aniz is about to do something stupid.
Is he breathing? If so, then yes.
;-]
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 22, 2008, 11:40:48 AM
Is he breathing? If so, then yes.
How do you know he's breathing? >:3
Quote from: Tapewolf on April 22, 2008, 11:42:18 AM
How do you know he's breathing? >:3
He needs to breathe to speak.
Good point, Tapewolf.
Great way to ruin the joke, though. :-P
Hmm, is anyone else seeing the implication in Fa'Lina's statement there? That not only does she know exactly what Aniz is up to, she has every intention of thwarting him every possible step, and knows exactly how to do it?
On another note, I agree, a Cubi only sireing three kids in 75 years is quite restrained. If it was me, I'd probably have three kids with the same woman in that length of time.
Quote from: Aleolus on April 22, 2008, 12:17:10 PM
On another note, I agree, a Cubi only sireing three kids in 75 years is quite restrained. If it was me, I'd probably have three kids with the same woman in that length of time.
... How long is said woman going to live for? I mean, there's limits to how long women remain fertile for.
Dan and Matilda, they're both extremely long lived, so I can see them waiting for a while before having kids. On the other hand, she's independently wealthy - at least enough to have her own shop - so one would think there's ways and means of having kids sooner.
On a tangent sort of subject, having kids is a good way of soaking up all your spare cash for the next ~20 years. Think about that a bit, especially if you're going to live for a thousand or more...
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 22, 2008, 01:22:54 PM
Quote from: Aleolus on April 22, 2008, 12:17:10 PM
On another note, I agree, a Cubi only sireing three kids in 75 years is quite restrained. If it was me, I'd probably have three kids with the same woman in that length of time.
... How long is said woman going to live for? I mean, there's limits to how long women remain fertile for.
Dan and Matilda, they're both extremely long lived, so I can see them waiting for a while before having kids. On the other hand, she's independently wealthy - at least enough to have her own shop - so one would think there's ways and means of having kids sooner.
On a tangent sort of subject, having kids is a good way of soaking up all your spare cash for the next ~20 years. Think about that a bit, especially if you're going to live for a thousand or more...
Matilda is wealthy, yes, living long enough to pay off any mortgages and OWN your property in what seems like a blink of an eye can do that. Dan is wealthy too, what with having phat lewt from all his adventures, and the fact he now realises he can adventure for another few centuries with no worries as hes one badass mofo who now has shape shifting, magic, and can hold about six swords at once.
yeah, holding six magic swords kinda gives you an edge in combat, as does having the ability to morph into one of the badguys henchmen until hes right in the throneroom. there is no finantial problems here.
thus, once the horny kitty hooks up with the horny taur theres probably going to be kids about every 1-2 years until Dan runs out of bullets.
Dan IS a clan all on his own, and after about kid 6 Matilda will find those kids just kind of roll out and may not even notice she gave birth all the time. that will be one cool family
...
I hate to rain on your parade, there, Brunnyboy, but...
... there's a little more to bringing up a child than just spawning them. I'd like to think that 'Tilly is bright enough for that, even if Dan is demonstrably not. ;-]
Besides, you know that already. How much of your time, and your wife's time, is used up watching Eowyn? Washing clothes? Drying nappies? Buying food? After a while, it starts to add up.
Somehow I think this is more particular than clan repopulation. If he just wanted to make his clan more populated, I doubt he would care what they looked like. Or, even, if they went into SAIA. You don't have to go there to be a cubi. I think it's got to be something...deeper.
Unless he gets hurt Dan is not likely to need to worry about running out of bullets. why not? high school biology i has the answer to that question. as for the who lot of children? well i'm not sure either of them are in any hurry.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 22, 2008, 03:28:06 PM
...
I hate to rain on your parade, there, Brunnyboy, but...
... there's a little more to bringing up a child than just spawning them. I'd like to think that 'Tilly is bright enough for that, even if Dan is demonstrably not. ;-]
And besides, the last I recall, Dan was (at most) only interested in being friends with her.
Well Dan and Matilda are both moving at their own pace with there own ideals as shown here (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_410.php),here (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_412.php), verging on TMI here (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_639.php) and here (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_662.php) and lets not forget how his best friend (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_646.php) feels on the subject.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on April 22, 2008, 03:28:06 PM
...
I hate to rain on your parade, there, Brunnyboy, but...
... there's a little more to bringing up a child than just spawning them. I'd like to think that 'Tilly is bright enough for that, even if Dan is demonstrably not. ;-]
Besides, you know that already. How much of your time, and your wife's time, is used up watching Eowyn? Washing clothes? Drying nappies? Buying food? After a while, it starts to add up.
oddly enough the cost of raising eowyn is almost nill. the only items that took big money were entirely reusable items like the crib and such, food does not cost that much unless you have an extremely fat kid, diapers just need laundering usually, watching her is basically doing what you normally do but making sure shes in the room with you, and at three or four years of age kids actually are able to help out, and by the time you get a five year old they can do probably half the work of any subsequent infants that pop up.
yeah, my wife and i are probably going to have an entire clan in a little bit
keep in mind, dan is just an all around horny person, matilda just has the hots for dan, and when your that long lived your progeny will almost all seem to become twenty years old in an eyeblink and theres bound to be a couple who live at home with the folks and thier 'rent' is diapering whatever loinfruit most recently popped out