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Your choice of color is debatable tbh.


By the way, :noobrape

Don't mind Bill. He's a general ass.

That's serious ass.

My mistake, serious ass >:3 >:3 >:3

Good. Now, :noobrape

Quote from: Britesoul on November 24, 2007, 08:51:34 PM
Has anyone else noticed how simular Dan and Abel's fathers look?

I think they're the same guy, seeing as Dan and Abel both claim their dads were away for long periods of time. He could have easily gone back and fourth between families.

I think Amber has openly denied family ties between Abel and Dan, but I'm not 100% sure. I'll leave that to people like Tapewolf who kept better track of these things.

But a striking flaw in your reasoning: Abel was born 300-400 years before Dan, so there is no chance he go back and forth since by the time Dan was born, Abel was already at the level we saw in the SAIA arc.

Edit to add:
And where are my manners? Tsk. Welcome to the forum, I hope you stay around! :)

well the story is not over yet, we do not know everything

however the story is probably far more complex, and if what you say is true it would most likely result in alexi finding out shes a cubi too, or she always was and has been hiding it

Quote from: Britesoul on November 24, 2007, 09:17:12 PM

Oh.

Well, darn.

That woulda been cool.
Time has never been my friend.  :<

I guess I really am a n00b.

I mind the blue, but not the centred text. Funny, no?


Of course, I only mind the blue because I'm using a blue background.

As for your theory, unless there's something we don't know about Dan's father it's just not going to work. Bummer, I know.

the centered text could be okay and even cool if he controls the length of each line, kind of like a haiku

Quote from: Brunhidden on November 24, 2007, 11:34:25 PM
the centered text could be okay and even cool if he controls the length of each line, kind of like a haiku

Hmm, it's possible.  Though don't they have different names?  Besides, Dan is only half-cubi, and his mother was that half.  His father was a being, unless Amber has secrets she hasn't revealed yet.  Plus, Dan's father wasn't named Aniz, I don't think.  And, wouldn't Destiana have recognized another Cubi, even if it was disguised?  Seems somewhat unlikely.

Welcome to the forums, though, britesoul.  Prepare for much randomness.

The problem I see with blue text is that the posts have alternating colors for the backgrounds.  Against the lighter background, it looks okay.  Against the darker background, which has some blue in it, it is harder to read.  The centered text is a little like putting everything in all caps, usable for special effects but otherwise distracting.

As to the relationship between Dan and Abel, that has been discussed many times here.  There is some connection, but the relationship is unclear.  As to what Amber has or hasn't said, I believe that many of her statements are truthful but deceptive.  I'd have to see her exact wording.

What?  Aniz and Edward look similar?  Nah, Aniz has brown hair and fur, and Edward has long, blond hair, is about 3 feet tall, and has an automail arm and leg.

More seriously, Amber has openly denied that Abel and Edward have met.  Since Abel has clearly met his own father, this would seem to indicate that Edward is not Aniz.(in much the way that the presence of spurting blood indicates a leaking artery.)

Also, welcome to the boards.  You'll be taken more seriously if you don't do funny things with your text.

Quote from: Raist on November 25, 2007, 02:18:05 AM
What?  Aniz and Edward look similar?  Nah, Aniz has brown hair and fur, and Edward has long, blond hair, is about 3 feet tall, and has an automail arm and leg.

Are you calling Edward a little itty bitty teeny tiny pipsqueak that isn't worth your time to even talk to?!

Well, he's an imaginary character, so you would be right. :P

Well darn, this little comment has finally made me stop lurking and join for the debate itself. So hello everyone, I am now the designated noob.

Quote from: Aleolus on November 24, 2007, 11:42:45 PM
Hmm, it's possible.  Though don't they have different names?  Besides, Dan is only half-cubi, and his mother was that half.  His father was a being, unless Amber has secrets she hasn't revealed yet.  Plus, Dan's father wasn't named Aniz, I don't think.  And, wouldn't Destiana have recognized another Cubi, even if it was disguised?  Seems somewhat unlikely.

Quote from: Raist on November 25, 2007, 02:18:05 AM
More seriously, Amber has openly denied that Abel and Edward have met.  Since Abel has clearly met his own father, this would seem to indicate that Edward is not Aniz.(in much the way that the presence of spurting blood indicates a leaking artery.)

These arguments are excellent have me going "and now... to be difficult".  Amber has already been giving us a plot-twist-a-plenty in this arc and the main story, so sometimes the everything said can't be taken for face value. For Aleolus's comment about different names, if you remember, up until maybe an hour before in the comic, Abel's fathers name was Cid, not Aniz. So who's to say that he couldn't take up yet another name for another son... (though my argument stops at the point where Destania gets involved...)

And for Raist's comment, it may have been I've just finished watching Dune so I'm looking for wording examples, but in that case Abel and Edward may have never met.  Of course Edward may not be Dan's father either, killed by Aniz to take his place, same as to what happened as Cid. So by all technicality in that situation, yes Abel may have never met Edward, but has met Dan's father.

Now in arguments that Dan's father isn't Aniz... Destania would have noticed if Edward was a Cubi in disguise (though that would explain why she went from "KILL KILL KILL" to marrying him... but I still see that being unlikely) and Dan is only half-cubi with Destania as his mother.  Also, we have comments about Edward being the reason Abel cares about Dan's well being, as explained by Ink in comic 527 (though now I REALLY want to know about Edward if Abel never met him yet means anything to him) and the fact that now we have a situation where Dragons have Edward in suspension as described in 725-726, and I'm sure the dragons would've noticed something odd like that.

Sorry for the long winded post, I just kept noticing stuff I needed to add as I typed.

Quote from: Sid on November 24, 2007, 09:14:24 PM
I think Amber has openly denied family ties between Abel and Dan, but I'm not 100% sure. I'll leave that to people like Tapewolf who kept better track of these things.

I openly denied that Abel was Dan's Father.  Cause seriously peeps. :U

I have also said that Abel has never met Edward in person.  But one could also make the argument that Abel has never met the real Cid in person. :B

Finally, Dan has said he's half Cubi. But what Dan percieves as a truth may not be an actual truth.  I've also said that when it comes to Cubi, there isn't really so much a "half" as one is either a Cubi or they arent.

and there you have it, folks, straight from the author's mouth:
The answer is that the answer isn't.

Quote from: Amber Williams on November 25, 2007, 04:59:00 AM
I have also said that Abel has never met Edward in person.  But one could also make the argument that Abel has never met the real Cid in person. :B

Finally, Dan has said he's half Cubi. But what Dan percieves as a truth may not be an actual truth.  I've also said that when it comes to Cubi, there isn't really so much a "half" as one is either a Cubi or they arent.

I swear sometimes you encourage the tinfoil hatting on these forums... :)

She enjoys stirring the pot, obviously. ;-]

Quote from: Naldru on November 25, 2007, 12:12:14 AM
The problem I see with blue text is that the posts have alternating colors for the backgrounds.  Against the lighter background, it looks okay.  Against the darker background, which has some blue in it, it is harder to read.  The centered text is a little like putting everything in all caps, usable for special effects but otherwise distracting.

The problem with set font colours is that it depends on which theme you're using.

If you're using the Inverted Dungeon theme, it's largely dark, and the dark blue makes it very hard to read. I'd have to go look at the other  themes to see if any of them had problems - the SMF Default Theme is fine for darker colours, though.

Quote from: Royden on November 25, 2007, 04:09:49 AM
Now in arguments that Dan's father isn't Aniz... Destania would have noticed if Edward was a Cubi in disguise (though that would explain why she went from "KILL KILL KILL" to marrying him... but I still see that being unlikely)

Conversely, it would also explain why Edward protected her, which the others thought was completely insane.

I think everything else I could have added has already been covered.  The bottom line is that there is a bunch of evidence to support the theory, but at the end of the day, we don't know.

Quote from: WhiteFire on November 25, 2007, 05:13:48 AM
I swear sometimes you encourage the tinfoil hatting on these forums... :)

Isn't that half the fun?  :mwaha

(What? And you thought blue was bad. You're just lucky I didn't throw in some 'Monotype Corsiva', just for fun)

Quote from: Amber Williams on November 25, 2007, 04:59:00 AM
Finally, Dan has said he's half Cubi. But what Dan percieves as a truth may not be an actual truth.  I've also said that when it comes to Cubi, there isn't really so much a "half" as one is either a Cubi or they arent.

So then this would imply that they have strong blood then, correct?
Also, it could be assumed then that the Cubi would never go into extinction purely due to the watering-down of the bloodline.

It'd be funny if it turned out that Edward was a cubi as well, but a cubi who fed off some typical bar emotion like drunkeness (would that qualify as an emotion :erk ) or something to that degree.

Oh and thank you for quashing half cubi Amber. I really Really hate those 'Durr I'm half this half that and half this and half that' characters that seem to pop up at every turn. Like half vampires and half demon half angels *shudder* Seriously you either are one or you aren't.

Quote from: Amber Williams on November 25, 2007, 04:59:00 AM

Quote from: Sid on November 24, 2007, 09:14:24 PM
I think Amber has openly denied family ties between Abel and Dan, but I'm not 100% sure. I'll leave that to people like Tapewolf who kept better track of these things.

I openly denied that Abel was Dan's Father.  Cause seriously peeps. :U

I have also said that Abel has never met Edward in person.  But one could also make the argument that Abel has never met the real Cid in person. :B

Finally, Dan has said he's half Cubi. But what Dan percieves as a truth may not be an actual truth.  I've also said that when it comes to Cubi, there isn't really so much a "half" as one is either a Cubi or they arent.

indeed, after all the only true "half" is Lady Sunset Autumn Honey Purity Sunflower Rainbow, who is a Star Elf Vampire (half).  :U
(amber should get this joke)

I love that comic Turn :)

hehe, Elf only Inn?  Awesome stuff.

Hold on then. If Edward were a 'cubi as well, wouldn't that make Alexsi one as well? She certainly seems to not be. Or is it possible for the gene to skip and not make one.

Quote from: Tikki on December 01, 2007, 08:48:52 AM
Hold on then. If Edward were a 'cubi as well, wouldn't that make Alexsi one as well? She certainly seems to not be. Or is it possible for the gene to skip and not make one.

Edward's not a cubi and Alexsi had a different mother.  :)

Quote from: Tikki on December 01, 2007, 08:48:52 AM
Hold on then. If Edward were a 'cubi as well, wouldn't that make Alexsi one as well? She certainly seems to not be. Or is it possible for the gene to skip and not make one.

The question of whether Edward were a cubi has come up before.  If you parse Amber's statements carefully, she has been emphatically ambiguous over whether this might be the case.  In addition, Alexsi has never referred to Edward as her biological father, although she made it clear that Destania wasn't her biological mother.  Once again, Amber explicitly left the door open.  I may hunt up the references later and include them as edits to this post.


Edit:

Here's the post (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,3793.msg161657.html#msg161657)

Alexsi's cast page (http://www.missmab.com/Cast/alexsi.php) says that Destania is her Step-Mother and that Edward is her father.

I remember when I came up with a similar theory.  I thought it was stupid and went looking for evidence to disprove it.  I ended up with a suspicious lack of evidence.

Quote from: Royden on November 26, 2007, 12:58:58 AM

Quote from: WhiteFire on November 25, 2007, 05:13:48 AM
I swear sometimes you encourage the tinfoil hatting on these forums... :)

Isn't that half the fun?  :mwaha

Fun?! 
I'll have you know that when it comes to foil, Amber is deadly serious.  Viz:

(http://my.ohio.voyager.net/~otown/AmberFoil.jpg)

Quote from: RJ on December 01, 2007, 09:13:47 AM

Quote from: Tikki on December 01, 2007, 08:48:52 AM
Hold on then. If Edward were a 'cubi as well, wouldn't that make Alexsi one as well? She certainly seems to not be. Or is it possible for the gene to skip and not make one.

Edward's not a cubi and Alexsi had a different mother.  :)

Yes, that's my point. :3

why does it seem that everyone in DMFA wnows Dan and ither
hates his guts and is out to kill him
respects him and will protect him at all costs
lent him money and expects it back
or all three (perododicly)

Quote from: Britesoul on November 24, 2007, 08:51:34 PM

I don't know if this has been discussed in the forum before,

but I joined just to ask.


Has anyone else noticed how simular Dan and Abel's fathers look?

I think they're the same guy, seeing as Dan and Abel both claim their dads were away for long periods of time. He could have easily gone back and fourth between families.

That's what I think,
anyway.

Anybody else think so?

:3

  8) Don't know if that is the case. I feel that Destina would have spotted another of her race, first up ...

Why would the Dragons have Edward of there wasn't something special about him?

My guess is that Aniz is Edward, and Aniz was planning something that the Dragons wouldn't like for some reason or other.  He got Destania to join him, and then when the Dragons captured him, they didn't kill him because they new someone else was helping him and wants to trap them, too...  So they've set a trap around wherever Edward/Aniz is being held.

Quote from: Naldru on December 01, 2007, 10:06:02 AM

Quote from: Tikki on December 01, 2007, 08:48:52 AM
Hold on then. If Edward were a 'cubi as well, wouldn't that make Alexsi one as well? She certainly seems to not be. Or is it possible for the gene to skip and not make one.

The question of whether Edward were a cubi has come up before.  If you parse Amber's statements carefully, she has been emphatically ambiguous over whether this might be the case.  In addition, Alexsi has never referred to Edward as her biological father, although she made it clear that Destania wasn't her biological mother.  Once again, Amber explicitly left the door open.  I may hunt up the references later and include them as edits to this post.


Edit:

Here's the post (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,3793.msg161657.html#msg161657)

Actually in that regard we can be fairly certain that Alexsi's biological mother was not a cubi since she died when Alexsi was very young. If that's the case then the cubi gene may have skipped Alexsi. As Amber said you either are or you aren't. Dan is, she isn't. So in that case maybe Ed is a cubi and that could be the explanation for why Destania (One of the most evil cubi in the world according to Abel) didn't eat him.

Jeeze...Alexi's mother was an Amazon already! I know that's been said before!

    8) If Edward was Cubi, what clan is he from ?  Didn't spot the distintive mark Aniz had. Then again, maybe it's just one of those things. Destina's clanmark is even on the bed ...

   

Quote from: kaskar on December 02, 2007, 12:47:00 AM
If Edward was Cubi, what clan is he from ?  Didn't spot the distintive mark Aniz had.

See if you can find a clear shot of Edward's left wrist.

Quote from: Izkata on December 01, 2007, 11:13:19 PM
My guess is that [Edward] was planning something that the Dragons wouldn't like for some reason or other.  He got Destania to join him, and then when the Dragons captured him

If you look back at the conversation with Biggs and Destania, you'll find it seems to be her idea.  In that case, and as the dialogue implies, the dragons would likely be using Edward to get at her.

Quote from: Tapewolf on December 02, 2007, 07:05:56 AM

Quote from: kaskar on December 02, 2007, 12:47:00 AM
If Edward was Cubi, what clan is he from ?  Didn't spot the distintive mark Aniz had.

See if you can find a clear shot of Edward's left wrist.

You can't.  The only time his left wrist even appears on screen is in 298 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_298.php), and then it is covered up.

Quote from: AndersW on December 02, 2007, 11:20:19 AM
You can't.  The only time his left wrist even appears on screen is in 298, and then it is covered up.

I was hoping he'd figure that out himself...

My fiance brought up an interesting theory, and since crazy theories are all the rage....

If Edward is infact a Cubi and Alexsi's mom was not. Alexsi could very well be a Cubi and just hiding it. We know for a fact that she never actually denied it as seen here (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_306.php). She just points out that Destania isn't her real mom, she completely skips saying no or anything to the likes of denying her possible cubiness. Just denies that she'd have gotten it from Destania.

Quote from: Netrogo on December 02, 2007, 12:41:55 PM
If Edward is infact a Cubi and Alexsi's mom was not. Alexsi could very well be a Cubi and just hiding it.

I think Dan might have noticed the wings, especially when they disappeared.  Also, wouldn't Dee have wanted her to go to SAIA too?

Maybe Destania thought it better for her to stay and look after Dan. Other then adventuring it's been proven that Dan seems incapable of supporting himself, if not for the cubi not needing to eat thing he'd have died years ago from alcohol poisoning alone. Also Destania was a teacher at the academy herself, she could have taught Alexsi all the basic things she needed to know to get by before leaving (mental shield, shape shifting to hide wings, etc...)

Quote from: Netrogo on December 02, 2007, 01:44:55 PM
Maybe Destania thought it better for her to stay and look after Dan. Other then adventuring it's been proven that Dan seems incapable of supporting himself, if not for the cubi not needing to eat thing he'd have died years ago from alcohol poisoning alone.

I don't know about that.  He's a widely-traveled adventurer, so he's not completely helpless.

QuoteAlso Destania was a teacher at the academy herself, she could have taught Alexsi all the basic things she needed to know to get by before leaving (mental shield, shape shifting to hide wings, etc...)

But a normal 'Cubi can only do those things when they mature at around 24.  She's 27, which means that unless she has some kind of patch, she would have had wings until about three years ago.

Quote from: Tapewolf on December 02, 2007, 02:03:33 PM

Quote from: Netrogo on December 02, 2007, 01:44:55 PM
Maybe Destania thought it better for her to stay and look after Dan. Other then adventuring it's been proven that Dan seems incapable of supporting himself, if not for the cubi not needing to eat thing he'd have died years ago from alcohol poisoning alone.

I don't know about that.  He's a widely-traveled adventurer, so he's not completely helpless.

and as a widely traveled adventurer he has a full inventory of loot he got from things he killed, body parts of things he killed which are worth money to mages and alchemists, stacks of weapons that he has not used sinse he got the better one at the next town, sacks of low level magic items that do not do anything useful for him, and probably a few favors owed to him by gratious royalty

almost none of it shows up on bank accounts, but hes gotta have some stashed somewhere

Quote from: Tikki on December 01, 2007, 08:48:52 AM
Hold on then. If Edward were a 'cubi as well, wouldn't that make Alexsi one as well? She certainly seems to not be. Or is it possible for the gene to skip and not make one.

magic :U

(except here it's literal.)
based on time constraints, I plan to edit this post later.

Quote from: Brunhidden on December 02, 2007, 03:07:54 PM

Quote from: Tapewolf on December 02, 2007, 02:03:33 PM

Quote from: Netrogo on December 02, 2007, 01:44:55 PM
Maybe Destania thought it better for her to stay and look after Dan. Other then adventuring it's been proven that Dan seems incapable of supporting himself, if not for the cubi not needing to eat thing he'd have died years ago from alcohol poisoning alone.

I don't know about that.  He's a widely-traveled adventurer, so he's not completely helpless.

and as a widely traveled adventurer he has a full inventory of loot he got from things he killed, body parts of things he killed which are worth money to mages and alchemists, stacks of weapons that he has not used sinse he got the better one at the next town, sacks of low level magic items that do not do anything useful for him, and probably a few favors owed to him by gratious royalty

almost none of it shows up on bank accounts, but hes gotta have some stashed somewhere

well how come he owes so many people money

Quote from: Tapewolf on December 02, 2007, 02:03:33 PM

Quote from: Netrogo on December 02, 2007, 01:44:55 PM
Maybe Destania thought it better for her to stay and look after Dan. Other then adventuring it's been proven that Dan seems incapable of supporting himself, if not for the cubi not needing to eat thing he'd have died years ago from alcohol poisoning alone.

I don't know about that.  He's a widely-traveled adventurer, so he's not completely helpless.

QuoteAlso Destania was a teacher at the academy herself, she could have taught Alexsi all the basic things she needed to know to get by before leaving (mental shield, shape shifting to hide wings, etc...)

But a normal 'Cubi can only do those things when they mature at around 24.  She's 27, which means that unless she has some kind of patch, she would have had wings until about three years ago.

Did anyone notice what happened to the amulet that Abel got from Kria?  Of course there would have only been one amulet, so it would only have been possible to conceal the nature of only one offspring.

maybe alexsi has been subconciusly hiding her wings

I kinda doubt it. In Dan's and Able's cases, they were pretty sproingy.

That is, if I recall correctly. The comics in question are strangely elusive...

Quote from: zopey on December 03, 2007, 05:25:58 PM
maybe alexsi has been subconciusly hiding her wings

A couple of points - firstly, the powers only work when you mature.  Secondly, she had no-one to instruct her in how to hide them that we know of, since Dee left more than five years ago.  Thirdly, she didn't seem to know about the wing tentacles in #381, or she would probably not have phoned Aary.

Quote from: Naldru on December 03, 2007, 04:47:55 PM
Did anyone notice what happened to the amulet that Abel got from Kria?  Of course there would have only been one amulet, so it would only have been possible to conceal the nature of only one offspring.

We don't know what happened to it.  That's an interesting point, but I think we'd have noticed a skull-shaped piece of jewellery given how out-of-character for her that would be.

Quote from: Tapewolf on December 04, 2007, 07:32:13 AM

Quote from: zopey on December 03, 2007, 05:25:58 PM
maybe alexsi has been subconciusly hiding her wings

A couple of points - firstly, the powers only work when you mature.  Secondly, she had no-one to instruct her in how to hide them that we know of, since Dee left more than five years ago.  Thirdly, she didn't seem to know about the wing tentacles in #381, or she would probably not have phoned Aary.

1. How do we REALLY know that she hasn't matured yet? 2. She could very well be old enough to have got instruction. 3. Cubi are good actors!

Valid points Tape. We could say that calling Aary was part of her way of hiding the truth about herself though.

Quote from: dannysaysnoo on December 04, 2007, 07:35:57 AM
1. How do we REALLY know that she hasn't matured yet?
2. She could very well be old enough to have got instruction.
3. Cubi are good actors!

1: Her cast page.
2: Her cast page.
3: Granted. However, how would she deal with Pyro? Is she lying to him, too? If she was a Cubi, she'd know about the Dragon/Cubi rivalry, no?

Quote from: dannysaysnoo on December 04, 2007, 07:35:57 AM
1. How do we REALLY know that she hasn't matured yet? 2. She could very well be old enough to have got instruction.

That's not what I meant... the profile says she's 27.  If they come in at around 24, that means she would already have come into her 'Cubihood while Dan was around.  We don't know for sure when Dan quit adventuring, but I'd say it was in his late teens, or at a pinch when he was 21.  He said 'many years ago' which IMHO is more than three.  That would mean that he would have witnessed the arrival of her headwings.  It also means that unless she had a patch she'd have had wings as a child like Dan.

As for the instruction, that needs another 'Cubi.  We don't know when Dee left either, but the implication is that it was when Dan was still young.  Alexsi would therefore have been too young to benefit from any instruction since her powers would have been at least a decade off.

**EDIT**
Actually, Amber has mentioned that the headwings do sometimes come in late, occasionally in the 40s or 50s - probably depends on the lifestyle of the individual, how much magic they cast etc.  Nonetheless I think we're drifting firmly into Occam's Razor territory (even more than the rest of this idea :P)

Quintinga was an amazon (Alexsi's cast page)
There is an all-Were amazon tribe (Were Demonology 101)
Therefore, Quintinga may have been a Were
Thus, Alexsi may be a Were

Hey, it's about as legit as her being a Cubi :>

Eh, why not. I'll go with the Were theory.

ALEXSI IS A WERE! A WERE!!

:tohell(What a ride! Let's go again!)

Quote from: Tapewolf on December 04, 2007, 07:49:41 AMIt also means that unless she had a patch she'd have had wings as a child like Dan.

and patches were invented by Jyrras Gianna, with Mab's help for the magical components, so any time before about 5 years ago is right out.(I can't see Jyrras inventing patches before he turned 16, no matter how clever he is.)

The amulet?  Kria still has it.  She always has, save the short period when she loaned it to abel.  We finally saw that it was the same one in "Light Lunch," though it's always borne a striking similarity.

I suspect she shows up at Abel's house to find Hennya dead, May catatonic, and Abel and "Cid" missing, and recovers her amulet, which has been on the floor and discarded since Hennya dropped it.

As for the "Alexsi is a Were" idea(and it is Alexsi, not Alexis.  Why do so many people do that?), it's not totally infeasable, and the fact that her mother was an Amazon lends some weight to the theory, as well as her rather obvious aggressive tendencies.

Makes more sense than all the ropes trying to turn Abel and Dan into brothers or father/son or husband/wife or whatever.

Quote from: Raist on December 04, 2007, 10:44:01 AM
and patches were invented by Jyrras Gianna, with Mab's help for the magical components, so any time before about 5 years ago is right out.(I can't see Jyrras inventing patches before he turned 16, no matter how clever he is.)

I was including charms in that, such as Kria's amulet.  We're only assuming it's the same one - since it was a particular brand she may simply have bought another of that type.  We don't know.

QuoteMakes more sense than all the ropes trying to turn Abel and Dan into brothers or father/son or husband/wife or whatever.

The Edward-is-Aniz theory has a lot going for it, unfortunately.  AFAIK it doesn't require any twisting (or 'roping' as you put it) in order to work.  But even that doesn't mean that Alexsi has to be a succubus.

Another point I'm curious about is her magical mallet. Has it's origin and such ever truly been explained. I mean we could be going off of the anime 'hammer space' thing here but it could also be a weapon manifestation, similar to what Abel did here (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_552.php).

Quote from: Netrogo on December 04, 2007, 11:05:56 AM
Another point I'm curious about is her magical mallet. Has it's origin and such ever truly been explained. I mean we could be going off of the anime 'hammer space' thing here but it could also be a weapon manifestation, similar to what Abel did here (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_552.php).

I think it came from Furcadia.  While there might be a post-facto explanation for it (e.g. Destania created it for her), it could be viewed as an axiom, i.e. "an integral part of her character at the start of the strip".

Somewhere it was mentioned that the hammer used to belong to Destania.

Quote from: Izkata on December 04, 2007, 12:14:08 PM
Somewhere it was mentioned that the hammer used to belong to Destania.

The cast page seems to indicate that it predates Destania meeting Edward.  This may indicate that it was a normal hammer which Dee enchanted.

i think it said that she can conjure it from knowere like dan can do with his swords

Dan can conjour his out of the air because he's a cubi. Although he's never done it as of yet, when you saw him throwing weapons at Aary for example it was because he was in his room and surrounded by weapons.

check out #701 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_701.php), that mallet came from nowhere! and even Destina in disguise admits its magic.

Quote from: zopey on December 04, 2007, 03:59:11 PM
i think it said that she can conjure it from knowere like dan can do with his swords

Did you mean 'Abel' (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_552.php)?

Quote from: Tapewolf on December 04, 2007, 04:33:54 PM

Quote from: zopey on December 04, 2007, 03:59:11 PM
i think it said that she can conjure it from knowere like dan can do with his swords

Did you mean 'Abel' (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_552.php)?

If you look at the cast page for Alexsi (http://missmab.com/Cast/alexsi.php), it states
<i>Alexsi's ability to draw her mallet from out of nowhere is similar to Dan's swords</i>

Of course, it could just be that Dan is good at hiding swords and other weapons in clothing (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_689.php).

The good old ancient art of hidden weaponry. Honestly I think that is the case with Dan, I mean why would he bother with hiding swords in a dress if he could just pull them out of thin air. Hell when he went to Matilda's shop, why would he want to buy a sword if he can pull them out of the air. Honestly would you ever go near any kind of shopping establishment if you could just snap your fingers and the thing you want would be in your hand?

Maybe he has to summon the swords from his collections, not just make them out of nothing.

Dan pulling a sword from thin air.  154 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_154.php)  He didn't have it in the comic previous.

Anders, there is absolutely no reason to believe that that sword wasn't hidden in his robe, just like any of his others. It even looks plenty small enough, though he is quite skilled at hiding larger ones.

Indeed, if he can hide a Buster Sword in a dress then it's kind of obvious he can hide a standard short sword in his robe.

Quote from: BlueTiger on December 04, 2007, 09:44:45 AM
Eh, why not. I'll go with the Were theory.

ALEXIS IS A WERE! A WERE!!

:tohell(What a ride! Let's go again!)

a were?.. what were she?  >:3

Quote from: AndersW on December 05, 2007, 09:24:59 AM
Dan pulling a sword from thin air.  154 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_154.php)  He didn't have it in the comic previous.

What they said above.

Plus, Artistic Licence. Amber gets out of having to draw a sword on him in -every- strip due to, it's assumed he has one.

It's like not drawing the background in. Sure, doing that -now- is great, and it's lovely to watch what goes on there, but you get by without it - and back then, the backgrounds were much much simpler.

Quote from: Naldru on December 04, 2007, 09:06:28 PM
If you look at the cast page for Alexsi (http://missmab.com/Cast/alexsi.php), it states
Alexsi's ability to draw her mallet from out of nowhere is similar to Dan's swords

Of course, it could just be that Dan is good at hiding swords and other weapons in clothing (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_689.php).

Whoops, my bad - either way, I don't think it's him using a 'Cubi ability, though.

QuoteAlexsi has few real memories of her mother and no real mementos save for a large mallet left behind.

I suspect the mallet's properties are the same as it had when it belonged to Alexsi's mother.

Quote from: Netrogo on December 05, 2007, 08:45:50 AM
The good old ancient art of hidden weaponry. Honestly I think that is the case with Dan, I mean why would he bother with hiding swords in a dress if he could just pull them out of thin air. Hell when he went to Matilda's shop, why would he want to buy a sword if he can pull them out of the air. Honestly would you ever go near any kind of shopping establishment if you could just snap your fingers and the thing you want would be in your hand?

maybe he just kind of summons it like harry potter can accio something. or it appears instantly in your hand when you need it like marina does with his spear in keys to the kingdom. or maybe its just a handy trick they've learnt. like a card trick

Quote from: zopey on December 07, 2007, 06:18:55 PM
maybe he just kind of summons it like harry potter can accio something. or it appears instantly in your hand when you need it like marina does with his spear in keys to the kingdom. or maybe its just a handy trick they've learnt. like a card trick

Doubt the summoning thing, Amber would most likely have drawn the sword flying to him. Not to mention we know from flashbacks that Dan doesn't use magic because of the accident when he was a child and first met Wildy. The instant thing could very well be but then that's what we've been discussing this whole time. Lastly if it's a trick similar to a card trick then that means he has it hidden on him in the first place, which would make me right.

UNFOUNDED SPECULATION!!!

Well, the reason that Edward and Aniz look so alike is because marrying outside their race is genetic! That's right, Mab-ites. Dan and Able are related, because way back when, when Edward was a twinkle in Rodriguez Ti'Fona's eye, he married a being, his wife Mary. Mary, unfortunately did not survive childbirth, and as he was raising his young son, Rodriguez stumbled upon a lovely lady with wings that took his heart away. He remarried and had a second child, Aniz.

There you have it, folks.

And in he future, you mayfind Dan falling in love with poor widower, and you shall know that the cycle is complete.

That being said, the real reason that Edward is taken by the dragon's is twofold. One, they wish to capture this odd breeding cycle gene for their own race, for obvious reasons. Secondly, Edward Ti'fona is well know for his magical Mallet creation.

Mab of course fell into this situation when she placed a Fae curse on Edward (After an unfortunate incident involving custard, a friendly game of scrabble, and an ill timed spontaneous sneezing fit) However, just when she got the idea for the perfect curse (something involving, again, custard, a game of scrabble and ill timed sneezing fits) our favorite Violet Fair Folk found that the spell the dragon's used to entrap Edward stopped him from speaking American Standard English, thus he defaulted to Proper English (with all of those "our"s). Luckily, our hero-ess, not to be defeated y Edwards inability to spell 'color' set out on a devious plan to free him... (once again using custard, scrabble and an ill times sneezing fit). However, in oder to set this plan into motion, she needed the power of Old and new magic of the same blood line. To do this she sent Aniz back in time to propigate his line, resulting in an heir of power, Able.Meanwhile, in the present, Mab has been using Pip and Wildy to train Dan into the greatest warrior the world has ever seen.

SO... Destina, wise of Mab's plan, has been creating the final test for Dan in the land of the twinks, where Dan will face the Final challenges of the Net Troll. Thus causing the waking of the blood in Dan and Able to break the Jawa Curse of Dragon and free Edward, thus freeing him forever of spelling things with extra 'u's and enabling him to receive ultimate humiliation at the hands of custard leeches!!!

*whef*

And that's how it will happen.

I believe you mean "our favourite fuschia Fair Folk" - I know the colour is off a bit, bit still...

Also, "hero-ess" is heroine. Hence why people take heroin - they're confused, and inject the wrong thing. ;-]

Quote from: Netrogo on December 07, 2007, 06:37:28 PM

Quote from: zopey on December 07, 2007, 06:18:55 PM
maybe he just kind of summons it like harry potter can accio something. or it appears instantly in your hand when you need it like marina does with his spear in keys to the kingdom. or maybe its just a handy trick they've learnt. like a card trick

Doubt the summoning thing, Amber would most likely have drawn the sword flying to him. Not to mention we know from flashbacks that Dan doesn't use magic because of the accident when he was a child and first met Wildy. The instant thing could very well be but then that's what we've been discussing this whole time. Lastly if it's a trick similar to a card trick then that means he has it hidden on him in the first place, which would make me right.

but what if its the swords doing the magic and not him?

Alexsi's Bio says..

"Alexsi's father, Edward Ti'Fiona, once had a first wife who passed away from unsaid reasons. Because of this, Alexsi has few real memories of her mother and no real mementos save for a large mallet left behind."

and in #701 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_701.php) Dee says "Magical Mallet... Check"

Its obvious, To me at any rate, that the ability to summon the mallet has less to do with Alexsi and more to do with the fact that its a magical mallet.

Perhaps its like a Family heirloom that can only be summoned by members of the same blood line, thus, Alexsi can summon it, no matter where she leaves it.

Quote from: Aurawyn on December 09, 2007, 01:57:58 AM
Perhaps its like a Family heirloom that can only be summoned by members of the same blood line, thus, Alexsi can summon it, no matter where she leaves it.

I quite doubt that, since there's an entire storyline devoted to retrieving it from twink territories, and from Biggs specifically.

Though I do think that, perhaps, Destania was on-scene to help the twinks in procurement of the mallet in question, else they may not have originally succeeded in aquiring it, even with the lack of defenders at the time.

Quote from: Netrogo on December 07, 2007, 06:37:28 PM

Quote from: zopey on December 07, 2007, 06:18:55 PM
maybe he just kind of summons it like harry potter can accio something. or it appears instantly in your hand when you need it like marina does with his spear in keys to the kingdom. or maybe its just a handy trick they've learnt. like a card trick

Doubt the summoning thing, Amber would most likely have drawn the sword flying to him. Not to mention we know from flashbacks that Dan doesn't use magic because of the accident when he was a child and first met Wildy. The instant thing could very well be but then that's what we've been discussing this whole time. Lastly if it's a trick similar to a card trick then that means he has it hidden on him in the first place, which would make me right.

I tend to agree w/ Netrogo: I think, that Dan learned how to hide any kind of weapon under his famous robe. Notice, how he said (atleast two times in the comic, eg#689) that wearing a dress or dress-like clothing is handy to smuggle a sword. I think, that THIS was the main reason, he was so upset, when Abel tore the robe of his in SAIA.
When one takes in account, that Dan never casted a spell after the rock incident, it seems quite plausible.
On the other hand Alexsi's mallet is magical.

Quote from: Reese Tora on December 09, 2007, 04:01:15 AM

Quote from: Aurawyn on December 09, 2007, 01:57:58 AM
Perhaps its like a Family heirloom that can only be summoned by members of the same blood line, thus, Alexsi can summon it, no matter where she leaves it.

I quite doubt that, since there's an entire storyline devoted to retrieving it from twink territories, and from Biggs specifically.

Oops... Forgot about that one..  :<

Quote from: Reese Tora on December 09, 2007, 04:01:15 AM

Quote from: Aurawyn on December 09, 2007, 01:57:58 AM
Perhaps its like a Family heirloom that can only be summoned by members of the same blood line, thus, Alexsi can summon it, no matter where she leaves it.

I quite doubt that, since there's an entire storyline devoted to retrieving it from twink territories, and from Biggs specifically.

Though I do think that, perhaps, Destania was on-scene to help the twinks in procurement of the mallet in question, else they may not have originally succeeded in aquiring it, even with the lack of defenders at the time.

It could also be that Destania had some magic that stopped it from coming to Alexsi.

Highly unlikely, I suspect.  Remember what happened with Kria when she used a magic item that was not designed to affect her offspring.  Imagine how much worse something actually designed to affect your children would be.

Quote from: bizun on December 09, 2007, 09:04:47 AM
I think, that THIS was the main reason, he was so upset, when Abel tore the robe of his in SAIA.

He seemed more terrified than upset.

Because Wildy totally isn't scary, at all.

Quote from: Aleolus on December 09, 2007, 01:02:54 PM
Highly unlikely, I suspect.  Remember what happened with Kria when she used a magic item that was not designed to affect her offspring.  Imagine how much worse something actually designed to affect your children would be.

We don't know for sure that that's why Lorenda's wings are tiny, that's just what Kria was thinking.  It's plausable, regardless.