Aniz is suddenly more friendly, but he still needs to die.
I vote castration with a rusty spoon.
My God! That's the closest he's been to nice in the entire comic! *flabbergast*
Quote from: Jim Halisstrad on October 12, 2007, 11:11:31 PM
I vote castration with a rusty spoon.
Let the punishment fit the crime.
Quote from: AndersW on October 12, 2007, 11:15:23 PM
Quote from: Jim Halisstrad on October 12, 2007, 11:11:31 PM
I vote castration with a rusty spoon.
Let the punishment fit the crime.
You're absolutely right. Let's yaoi him to death! Let me just get Jyrras...
Aniz: No. *I* am your father. :starwars
Abel: Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
i've heard of messy divorces before, but this is ridiculous! :P
*adds kidnapping to Aniz's rap sheet*
The tone seems nice, but I feel Aniz is being sarcastic, just not so openly(as indicated by font) so as usually seems to be the case in Amber's comics.
I'd chalk up any apparent niceness in Aniz to him being out of it due to bloodloss, pain, and fatigue, as he's wounded, bleeding heavily, and just cast a teleport spell that probably covered a long distance (teleported him ALL this way, after all!)
So why did Aniz waste all that time talking to May and killing Hennya before teleporting Abel?
I don't get it. I still think there must be something else going on.
I wonder where he took him folks...Just wait till next week folks!
Twisted.
Wonder what's going to happen to Abel's mom..
I'm seriously guessing the Academy, it makes sense after all, and Abel did just get his "first second wings".
Although, we could say that the only reason he didn't kill him is if there's a blood-tie or something. I don't know... thoughts aren't forming properly right now.
Bet he took him "down to the lobby". :mwaha
He's going to take him fishing, then maybe to the mall to pick up girls... you know... guy stuff.
"You're my son after all."
So, Aniz does indeed care (barely) about Abel.
But one question that needs answering:
How does Kria ever get her amulet back?!?
All he is a Nobody.
May seem to have emotions but it is all a ploy =P
and i vote castration.
I think Aniz genuinely wanted a son for whatever reason, and considers him important... just for what is the million dollar question..
But yeah, I vote disembowelment...
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on October 13, 2007, 02:15:15 AM
How does Kria ever get her amulet back?!?
She said she was going to pop in later. The amulet is going to be somewhere in the house, since I think Hennya was the last person to have it and Abel is unlikely to have taken it back.
Either that or she bought another one.
And yeah, they're most likely in SAIA.
The question that's really bugging me is why Abel's wings are different to his dad's?
I don't know why, but Abel's expression in that second last frame looks REALLY CUTE. It's like... 'buh?'
((Augh, noo! Not gay for Abel!))
Quote from: Reaver225 on October 13, 2007, 05:17:52 AM
I don't know why, but Abel's expression in that second last frame looks REALLY CUTE. It's like... 'buh?'
((Augh, noo! Not gay for Abel!))
8) So when does Abel look up with a pouting face and go " Daddy ? " ...
Quote from: kaskar on October 13, 2007, 05:31:50 AM
So when does Abel look up with a pouting face and go " Daddy ? " ...
I think his first question would be "Why did you beat me up and hurt my mother?"
(We know why he killed Hennya)
Assuming he's still capable of asking questions.
"But I didn't say anything..." is another good one.
Quote from: Tapewolf on October 13, 2007, 05:15:39 AM
The question that's really bugging me is why Abel's wings are different to his dad's?
So far it has been indicated that in a being-cubi coupling the majority of the appearance will be derived from the being, Abel, like Dan simple takes after his being parent more. The wings still have the two colour thing going on like his dad's though. Over the fact his are more bat like, I don't know. Generation skipping trait? Random? Chosen by author/artist to raise this kind of question?
Edit: And what is up with Aniz's sudden 'something about Mary' hairstyle?
Quote from: Tapewolf on October 13, 2007, 05:15:39 AM
The question that's really bugging me is why Abel's wings are different to his dad's?
Ehh, I could see how he could have just inherited his mother's fur color for them... the question that should REALLY be bugging you is what's with the green eye when neither parent had green eyes
Quote from: Kuari on October 13, 2007, 06:09:57 AM
the question that should REALLY be bugging you is what's with the green eye when neither parent had green eyes
You don't necessarily need a gene specifically coding for the second eye colour in heterochromia; it results from (usually prenatal developmental) mixups in pigment distribution. Abel's may have resulted from congenital conditions not entirely related to genetics. All sorts of things could go funny when you have a Creature growing inside a Being, after all...
Quote from: Kuari on October 13, 2007, 06:09:57 AM
Ehh, I could see how he could have just inherited his mother's fur color for them...
Beings don't usually have wings. What I mean is the fact that he has part bat-wings when his dad does not (granted his are black at the bottom, mind).
Quotethe question that should REALLY be bugging you is what's with the green eye when neither parent had green eyes
As Tezkat says, it's a fault, not a trait.
Quote from: MT Hazard on October 13, 2007, 05:58:11 AM
Over the fact his are more bat like, I don't know. Generation skipping trait? Random? Chosen by author/artist to raise this kind of question?
Probably one of the above...
Well a least thing are looking up for abel now I hope :3
Heh... in an "at least it can't get any worse" sort of way, you mean? :animesweat
Quote from: Tezkat on October 13, 2007, 07:15:48 AM
Heh... in an "at least it can't get any worse" sort of way, you mean? :animesweat
well he could have to relived that day over and over again :3
Quote from: computer nerd on October 13, 2007, 07:42:34 AM
Quote from: Tezkat on October 13, 2007, 07:15:48 AM
Heh... in an "at least it can't get any worse" sort of way, you mean? :animesweat
well he could have to relived that day over and over again :3
Well, I think that he will be reliving it in his dreams.
As far as Aniz's attitude goes, it seems a lot closer to Cid's attitude in the earlier portion of the story.
Quote from: Tezkat on October 13, 2007, 06:34:03 AM
Quote from: Kuari on October 13, 2007, 06:09:57 AM
the question that should REALLY be bugging you is what's with the green eye when neither parent had green eyes
You don't necessarily need a gene specifically coding for the second eye colour in heterochromia; it results from (usually prenatal developmental) mixups in pigment distribution. Abel's may have resulted from congenital conditions not entirely related to genetics. All sorts of things could go funny when you have a Creature growing inside a Being, after all...
It could also be a certain kind of cancer in his eye.
Oh, thank goodness. It had occurred to me that last week would have been a very good place to End Story. Glad to see it's going to continue.
Quote from: Naldru on October 13, 2007, 08:29:40 AM
Quote from: computer nerd on October 13, 2007, 07:42:34 AM
Quote from: Tezkat on October 13, 2007, 07:15:48 AM
Heh... in an "at least it can't get any worse" sort of way, you mean? :animesweat
well he could have to relived that day over and over again :3
Well, I think that he will be reliving it in his dreams.
Cubi don't need to sleep. And Amber has said that even if they choose to sleep, they don't dream.
Quote from: AndersW on October 13, 2007, 09:33:19 AM
Cubi don't need to sleep. And Amber has said that even if they choose to sleep, they don't dream.
No, she said they eventually lose the ability to dream. We don't know how long that takes but I suspect it's on the order of decades.
Quote from: superluser on October 13, 2007, 12:42:53 AM
So why did Aniz waste all that time talking to May and killing Hennya before teleporting Abel?
I don't get it. I still think there must be something else going on.
Cause it isn't really evil if you don't get to gloat a bit :mwaha
Plus I imagine it takes some effort/concentration to pull off the teleport stunt. Could be tricky with people screaming and attacking you
Quote from: Tapewolf on October 13, 2007, 09:40:07 AM
Quote from: AndersW on October 13, 2007, 09:33:19 AM
Cubi don't need to sleep. And Amber has said that even if they choose to sleep, they don't dream.
No, she said they eventually lose the ability to dream. We don't know how long that takes but I suspect it's on the order of decades.
Thanks for correcting me. I remembered the context of what she said, but couldn't remember the specifics.
Edit: It isn't in the wiki. Could someone find Ambers post on the subject and add it?
***adds a few more notes to his "Kill all 'Cubi" book.***
Quote from: AndersW on October 13, 2007, 11:11:54 AM
Edit: It isn't in the wiki. Could someone find Ambers post on the subject and add it?
Will do. For the curious:
http://nice.llearch.net/dmfa_forum2121.htm#ref11
Quote from: chaotik on October 13, 2007, 11:43:56 AM
***adds a few more notes to his "Kill all 'Cubi" book.***
"10/4 old buddies. De-stroy. Kill
all hippies!"
That would have been a good one for the lyrics game :P
Quote from: Stygian on October 12, 2007, 11:29:31 PM
Quote from: AndersW on October 12, 2007, 11:15:23 PM
Quote from: Jim Halisstrad on October 12, 2007, 11:11:31 PM
I vote castration with a rusty spoon.
Let the punishment fit the crime.
You're absolutely right. Let's yaoi him to death! Let me just get Jyrras...
I approve of this decision. Better yet, let me get started on my fanfiction...
Hopefully people have noticed my sarcasm in the previous sentence.
Anyhooooooo, I'm starting to suspect that Abel's going to react rather angrily towards Aniz's last comment, for some reason. He could be in as much denial as May was about Aniz actually being Cid, or could even denounce Aniz being his father. Either way, their surroundings don't really look much like the Academy--if anything it looks more like a dungeon or an alleyway in a city. Probably not Zinvth, as it would be sort of ridiculous for Aniz to teleport Abel only to the other side of his
own home city, but it could be another town.
~Keaton the Black Jackal
Oh, so now you show your heart?! Where was that when you were back with May?? Poor girl will likely be traumatized for life from this! I can just see it now, five years from now, May is in seeing a Psychiatrist, "And then I found out that the man who had been living with me for years, who had fathered my child, had been an Incubus in disguise the whole time! *cry cry*"
Psychiatrist: "Really, now, that is interesting. Now tell me about your mother."
Quote from: computer nerd on October 13, 2007, 06:49:54 AM
Well a least thing are looking up for abel now I hope :3
*Charline grins* Not at all. Aniz merely sees him as furthering his family line, in the same way that many aristocratic families have children for the sake of the name and don't actually give a damn about them otherwise.
Plus, Abel is soon going to encounter a certain diabolical doctor... who will likely make what he's gone through so far feel like no more than a scraped knee by comparison. >:3
Quote from: computer nerd on October 13, 2007, 06:49:54 AM
Well a least thing are looking up for abel now I hope :3
Oh yeah, it's going to be a real Carnival Cruise from here on. :kittydepressed
*Looks at storyline* Ok, based on the dark thoughts we've seen radiating off of Amber lately, Dark thoughts that have been showing up since Cindy died...or maybe earlier, my guess is that Abel will probably be going further down the toilet before he starts coming back up.
and Aniz will probably wander off and become Dan's grandpa or something, I and several others have noticed Edward does have a passing resemblance to Cid/Aniz.
...
Psst, I have some confidential information...
Abel lives... spread the word.
Quote from: Alondro on October 13, 2007, 06:20:44 PM
Plus, Abel is soon going to encounter a certain diabolical doctor... who will likely make what he's gone through so far feel like no more than a scraped knee by comparison. >:3
As amusing as this would be to bear witness to, I have a feeling that Abel's Story might end before we get all the way to that part. :)
EDIT:Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on October 13, 2007, 10:59:52 PM
and Aniz will probably wander off and become Dan's grandpa or something, I and several others have noticed Edward does have a passing resemblance to Cid/Aniz.
I can prove this isn't true with the following comic strip:
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_378.php
While this may not seem like anything special at first glance, notice the symbol above Alexsi's bed. It looks like the symbol for female, yes? That is Dan and Destania's clan symbol. Abel and Aniz's are an ember. They are nothing at all similar, so it's impossible for Aniz and Dan to be related.
Quote from: Azlan on October 13, 2007, 11:04:12 PM
...
Psst, I have some confidential information...
Abel lives... spread the word.
:O NOOO, you've ruined EVERYTHIIING! *death metal scream*
Quote from: Kamunt on October 14, 2007, 12:57:12 AM
I can prove this isn't true with the following comic strip:
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_378.php
While this may not seem like anything special at first glance, notice the symbol above Alexsi's bed. It looks like the symbol for female, yes? That is Dan and Destania's clan symbol. Abel and Aniz's are an ember. They are nothing at all similar, so it's impossible for Aniz and Dan to be related.
Unless of course Cyra's clan happens to be more powerful than the one Aniz is from. In the case of two Cubi from different clans having children, the more powerful clan will pass the symbol on to their offspring.
Not that this means anything. :3
Quote from: Amber Williams on October 14, 2007, 01:19:42 AMUnless of course Cyra's clan happens to be more powerful than the one Aniz is from. In the case of two Cubi from different clans having children, the more powerful clan will pass the symbol on to their offspring.
Not that this means anything. :3
Smell that, kids? No, it's not rich, Corinthian leather. It's...new information!
Quote from: Amber Williams on October 14, 2007, 01:19:42 AM
Unless of course Cyra's clan happens to be more powerful than the one Aniz is from. In the case of two Cubi from different clans having children, the more powerful clan will pass the symbol on to their offspring.
Not that this means anything. :3
:U then it's possible... except for the fact that a cubi seems to inherit thier appearance from thier being parent's side, and Dan looks like Edward, so Aniz would have to have fathered one of Edward's ancestors. since edward is a being, and we don't know what the odds of a cubi/being mating producing a being offspring vs. a cubi offspring, we can only speculate. (but we're good at that :rolleyes )
Quote from: Reese Tora on October 14, 2007, 01:43:57 AM
Quote from: Amber Williams on October 14, 2007, 01:19:42 AM
Unless of course Cyra's clan happens to be more powerful than the one Aniz is from. In the case of two Cubi from different clans having children, the more powerful clan will pass the symbol on to their offspring.
Not that this means anything. :3
:U then it's possible... except for the fact that a cubi seems to inherit thier appearance from thier being parent's side, and Dan looks like Edward, so Aniz would have to have fathered one of Edward's ancestors. since edward is a being, and we don't know what the odds of a cubi/being mating producing a being offspring vs. a cubi offspring, we can only speculate. (but we're good at that :rolleyes )
8) Explain further, this could be confusing to some ...
Quote from: Reese Tora on October 14, 2007, 01:43:57 AMsince edward is a being
Do we have explicit evidence that this is the case?
If not, it won't stop people from speculating otherwise.
...Heck, even if we did, it wouldn't stop people from speculating otherwise.
Quote from: superluser on October 14, 2007, 02:01:47 AM
Quote from: Reese Tora on October 14, 2007, 01:43:57 AMsince edward is a being
Do we have explicit evidence that this is the case?
If not, it won't stop people from speculating otherwise.
...Heck, even if we did, it wouldn't stop people from speculating otherwise.
And of 'course with Abel's mother, being a being ...
Quote from: superluser on October 14, 2007, 02:01:47 AM
Quote from: Reese Tora on October 14, 2007, 01:43:57 AMsince edward is a being
Do we have explicit evidence that this is the case?
If not, it won't stop people from speculating otherwise.
...Heck, even if we did, it wouldn't stop people from speculating otherwise.
I don't know, time to hop in the way-back machine and find out
*diddly-whoop-diddly-whoop-diddly-whoop*
Bears no relevance, but it's cute (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_299.php)
Alexsi does not appear to be 'cubi, and had to be told of signs of it in Dan. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_305.php)
In fact, she indicates she wasn't a 'cubi
because her she had a different mom. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_306.php)
These statements seem to indicate that a cubi offspring is likely from a cubi-being pairing, and that Alexsi not being a cubi would then indicate evidence that neither was her father. Being that Alexsi is only two years older than Dan, according to the cast pages, it's likely that her going 'cubi would have been noticed.
Alexsi's cast page also indicates that she isn't a 'cubi (by ommision of any indication), though that in itself can't necessarily be trusted, since it wouldn't be revealed beofre appearing in the comic.
In conclusion, Something else also cute, and equally irelevant tot he discussion (http://www.missmab.com/DLoads/DMFA_Wallpaper14_640.jpg)
Quote from: Reese Tora on October 14, 2007, 03:30:57 AM
Quote from: superluser on October 14, 2007, 02:01:47 AM
Quote from: Reese Tora on October 14, 2007, 01:43:57 AMsince edward is a being
Do we have explicit evidence that this is the case?
If not, it won't stop people from speculating otherwise.
...Heck, even if we did, it wouldn't stop people from speculating otherwise.
I don't know, time to hop in the way-back machine and find out
*diddly-whoop-diddly-whoop-diddly-whoop*
Bears no relevance, but it's cute (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_299.php)
Alexsi does not appear to be 'cubi, and had to be told of signs of it in Dan. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_305.php)
In fact, she indicates she wasn't a 'cubi because her she had a different mom. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_306.php)
These statements seem to indicate that a cubi offspring is likely from a cubi-being pairing, and that Alexsi not being a cubi would then indicate evidence that neither was her father. Being that Alexsi is only two years older than Dan, according to the cast pages, it's likely that her going 'cubi would have been noticed.
Alexsi's cast page also indicates that she isn't a 'cubi (by ommision of any indication), though that in itself can't necessarily be trusted, since it wouldn't be revealed beofre appearing in the comic.
In conclusion, Something else also cute, and equally irelevant tot he discussion (http://www.missmab.com/DLoads/DMFA_Wallpaper14_640.jpg)
*dies off the extream cuteness*
Quote from: Amber Williams on October 14, 2007, 01:19:42 AM
Quote from: Kamunt on October 14, 2007, 12:57:12 AM
I can prove this isn't true with the following comic strip:
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_378.php
While this may not seem like anything special at first glance, notice the symbol above Alexsi's bed. It looks like the symbol for female, yes? That is Dan and Destania's clan symbol. Abel and Aniz's are an ember. They are nothing at all similar, so it's impossible for Aniz and Dan to be related.
Unless of course Cyra's clan happens to be more powerful than the one Aniz is from. In the case of two Cubi from different clans having children, the more powerful clan will pass the symbol on to their offspring.
Not that this means anything. :3
:3
This is what I had figured, yes. I discussed it with a friend of mind, Tanicius, a bit earlier on AIM, and that definitely made sense. And, yes, Alexsi is a being. Although, I have to wonder--is it possible for a creature/being pairing to produce an offspring that isn't a creature? It seems unlikely, because based on what I've seen, creature "genes" seem to be dominant to those of being genes.
:erk
Let's look at this with an extremely overanalytical mind.
Yes, Alexsis said that Destania wasn't her biological mother (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_306.php)
Did she ever say that Edward was her biological father?
Quote from: Naldru on October 14, 2007, 08:44:28 AM
Did she ever say that Edward was her biological father?
Her cast page says Edward is her father.
A theory I have is that before Edward's first wife died, Aniz tried to do just what he did here. Kill an adventure, take his identity, and father a cubi child. Except that Edward managed to kill Aniz.
It would explain how Abel seems to owe Ed for something, despite having never met him.
Edit: Though if Edward turned out to be Aniz in disguise, it would really suck for Dan to have two psychotic, evil parents instead of just one. And being Abel's half brother. :)
Edit2: I cannot find a shot of Edward with a good view of his left forearm(Where we would see the clan mark if it was Aniz) And the only shot where we would see it, 298 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_298.php), it is covered.
Edit3: I would think that Aniz would have a hard time fooling Destania. Not to mention that Amber has used Dan as a reference when talking about Being/Creature breading, saying that Dan looks more like Edward.
Quote from: AndersW on October 14, 2007, 09:37:29 AM
Edit: Though if Edward turned out to be Aniz in disguise, it would really suck for Dan to have two psychotic, evil parents instead of just one. And being Abel's half brother. :)
Edit2: I cannot find a shot of Edward with a good view of his left forearm(Where we would see the clan mark if it was Aniz) And the only shot where we would see it, 298 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_298.php), it is covered.
Dammit, now you're creeping me out :B
Aniz and Edward look pretty similar. Dan, Alexsi and Aniz have the same kind of tail. I haven't yet found a shot of Ed's tail.
If It would certainly explain why Dee didn't kill him, and it would explain why Edward didn't let the others kill her. But then, if Edward is a 'Cubi, why are there no shots of his wings? Dee let hers show in private.
Damn it, its the which of Abel's parents is the cubi argument all over again. Neither side can disprove the other.
Quote from: Amber Williams on September 25, 2007, 11:30:35 AM
Quote from: Raist on September 25, 2007, 11:18:39 AM
I don't think Amber particularly likes surprises.
Oh I don't mind them. I just don't go out of my way to throw them into every possible comic. I tend to prefer to just coast along and let the really big ones blindside people like a steamroller.
I don't want to be ganked by a steamroller again.
Quote from: Tapewolf on October 14, 2007, 10:05:35 AM
Quote from: AndersW on October 14, 2007, 09:37:29 AM
Edit: Though if Edward turned out to be Aniz in disguise, it would really suck for Dan to have two psychotic, evil parents instead of just one. And being Abel's half brother. :)
Edit2: I cannot find a shot of Edward with a good view of his left forearm(Where we would see the clan mark if it was Aniz) And the only shot where we would see it, 298 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_298.php), it is covered.
Dammit, now you're creeping me out :B
Aniz and Edward look pretty similar. Dan, Alexsi and Aniz have the same kind of tail. I haven't yet found a shot of Ed's tail.
If It would certainly explain why Dee didn't kill him, and it would explain why Edward didn't let the others kill her. But then, if Edward is a 'Cubi, why are there no shots of his wings? Dee let hers show in private.
that and Cid looked a little like Edward also.
mind you, we could all be drawing lines that aren't there..
i prefer to blindside people with a combine harvester, personally, Anders. >:3
Quote from: Reese Tora on October 14, 2007, 03:30:57 AMThese statements seem to indicate that a cubi offspring is likely from a cubi-being pairing
But Amber has said that it is possible for cubi/being pairings to result in a being. Heck, that's the whole crux of the ``Aniz fathered Devin'' theory.
Quote from: AndersW on October 14, 2007, 09:37:29 AMEdit3: I would think that Aniz would have a hard time fooling Destania. Not to mention that Amber has used Dan as a reference when talking about Being/Creature breading, saying that Dan looks more like Edward.
Yes, for this to work, Destania would have to know that Edward was an incubus.
Oh, and Being/Creature breading is very tasty.
Quote from: Tapewolf on October 14, 2007, 10:05:35 AMIf It would certainly explain why Dee didn't kill him, and it would explain why Edward didn't let the others kill her. But then, if Edward is a 'Cubi, why are there no shots of his wings? Dee let hers show in private.
Do we have any cases where Edward would be in private? Say, only among Ti'Fionas and `cubi?
The only bits that I remember seeing of Edward were from that flashback, which was being narrated by Alexsi, who probably didn't know that Edward was an incubus. Much in the same way that none of the Rewanzs seem to know that Cid was an incubus.
Quote from: AndersW on October 14, 2007, 11:07:16 AM
Damn it, its the which of Abel's parents is the cubi argument all over again. Neither side can disprove the other.
Quote from: Amber Williams on September 25, 2007, 11:30:35 AM
Quote from: Raist on September 25, 2007, 11:18:39 AM
I don't think Amber particularly likes surprises.
Oh I don't mind them. I just don't go out of my way to throw them into every possible comic. I tend to prefer to just coast along and let the really big ones blindside people like a steamroller.
I don't want to be ganked by a steamroller again.
Well, I think it's pretty clear that Destania (a cubi) is Dan's mother and that Aniz (a cubi) is Abel's father. And if Amber has put the pedal to the metal on that steamroller, I don't think anything is going to stop her.
But I seem to have started an intense but gentile thread of conversation. :) I am happy.
And just to keep the pot simmering (but please don't let it boil), suppose that Edward was a cubi but didn't tell Destania until well after the wedding. Sort of "See. It is possible for a cubi to become less evil". Furthermore, everybody knew that Destania was a cubi. For her to go disguised as a human all the time would have probably just made the locals more nervous. (After all, the villagers did try to kill her.)
Quote from: Naldru on October 14, 2007, 11:52:41 AM
Well, I think it's pretty clear that Destania (a cubi) is Dan's mother and that Aniz (a cubi) is Abel's father. And if Amber has put the pedal to the metal on that steamroller, I don't think anything is going to stop her.
But I seem to have started an intense but gentile thread of conversation. :) I am happy.
And just to keep the pot simmering (but please don't let it boil), suppose that Edward was a cubi but didn't tell Destania until well after the wedding. Sort of "See. It is possible for a cubi to become less evil". Furthermore, everybody knew that Destania was a cubi. For her to go disguised as a human all the time would have probably just made the locals more nervous. (After all, the villagers did try to kill her.)
I'm pretty sure that I started the current talk about whether or not Edward could be Aniz. I went looking for evidence to disprove it, and couldn't find any.
And I think you mean being instead of human in your post.
Also, a picture for fun.
(http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/6194/gankedjz1.jpg)
I was referring to whether there had been a comment about Edward being Alexsi's biological father.
You're right, I meant being. Going around disguised as a human would really have attracted attention.
I was also thinking about whether a steamroller or a combine harvester should be used for rolling over the readers. I guess a combine harvester would result in more edible parts.
Quote from: Naldru on October 14, 2007, 12:28:22 PM
I was referring to whether there had been a comment about Edward being Alexsi's biological father.
You're right, I meant being. Going around disguised as a human would really have attracted attention.
I was also thinking about whether a steamroller or a combine harvester should be used for rolling over the readers. I guess a combine harvester would result in more edible parts.
You are right, you did start it, but I was the catalyst.
It depends on the type of combine harvester you have, what type of crop it is designed to harvest. But I don't think any of them would make very edible pieces. And Amber used steamroller because it is slow and hard to miss.
Quote from: Azlan on October 13, 2007, 11:04:12 PM
...
Psst, I have some confidential information...
Abel lives... spread the word.
Quote from: Amber Williams on August 25, 2007, 04:06:06 AM
Quote from: King Of Hearts on August 25, 2007, 03:44:39 AM
Abel?
Because at least we'll be sure he'd live trough it.
You have nooOoooOoOoOooo idea how much I toyed with the idea of trying to find a way to kill off Abel in his own backstory. :B
Oops double post, sorry.
Quote from: AndersW on October 14, 2007, 11:07:16 AM
Quote from: Amber Williams on September 25, 2007, 11:30:35 AM
Quote from: Raist on September 25, 2007, 11:18:39 AM
I don't think Amber particularly likes surprises.
Oh I don't mind them. I just don't go out of my way to throw them into every possible comic. I tend to prefer to just coast along and let the really big ones blindside people like a steamroller.
I don't want to be ganked by a steamroller again.
Yes you do...You love it! >:3
I personally think that all of this conspiracy talk it pretty silly. Also, can I have a reference to where Amber said it was possible for a creature/being couple to produce a being? I never said it wasn't possible, it's just that thus far there have been no such cases of a creature/being couple producing a being. I had always figured that creature "genes" were just dominant over being genes, but if Amber has things to say otherwise in the matter, then far be it from my job to try and stop a steamroller. ...Or something. :rolleyes
http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=1438.msg56507#msg56507 (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=1438.msg56507#msg56507)
I cannot seem to quote her comment because it says that I am not logged in.
edit: now it can tell that I am logged in but won't let me quote anyone.
Quote from: Amber Williams on July 13, 1974, 04:04:26 AM
And Ink was WROOOOOOONG! >:O
The problem that occasionally happens when you have a limited cast of characters is that oftentimes the exceptions are considered the norm. For example when Dan first went to the Academy, a lot of people were under the impression that the Academy just swoops in and carries off Cubi children when they get their headwings. Which isn't the case at all. But it looks like it.
I think Ink mistook a previous comment I made in that I said when it comes to Cubi genetics, there is an all or nothing approach. Either the kid will be a Cubi or they wont. There is no "half breed" in the sense a kid has some Cubi abilities but none of their weaknesses or some stupid-lame Blade form of powergaming. At the very most, a being-child might have some magical inclinations but they don't have any of the Cubi natural abilities.
I should make a breeding chart to give a good example of the success rates/results of various races interbreeding...but I suck at making tables! Oh god do I suck! :O
I hope you can see this, because I'm doing it as hard as I can. It really hurts.
Yes I can see you quoting it, it just wouldn't let me quote it.
It's probably messing up because I am using a different computer than normal.
So dan could have a little Aniz in him :<
I wonder if that makes 'cubihood a recesive trait (such that a 'cubi descended being is more likley to ahve a cubi ofspring with a real 'cubi) or a dominant trait that doesn't transfer to the being children(hence them not being cubi themselves).
If being a cubi is a recessive trait, wouldn't that mean that two beings descended from cubi could marry and have a cubi offspring. I would think that that would be something of a surprise if they didn't know cubi were among the grandparents.
Quote from: AndersW on October 14, 2007, 06:05:33 PM
Yes I can see you quoting it, it just wouldn't let me quote it.
It's probably messing up because I am using a different computer than normal.
Actually, I just copy-pasted her post there, copy-pasted the URL of her post, and completely made up a posting date because I had to. >D In actuality, I can't quote it, either. The reason for this is that the topic is locked, so thus, no post in it can be quoted properly any longer.
:tmyk
The truth will be that everyone is related to everyone else, making them all West Virginians (inbred, toothless hick stereotype, for all those not from the US) and they all live in a teeny torus-like universe created from a failed warp drive experiment. Their world will eventually collapse and they will all cease to exist.
And the comic will end! >:3
Quote from: Kamunt on October 14, 2007, 08:55:28 PM
Actually, I just copy-pasted her post there, copy-pasted the URL of her post, and completely made up a posting date because I had to. >D In actuality, I can't quote it, either. The reason for this is that the topic is locked, so thus, no post in it can be quoted properly any longer.
... or you can fake it, which works just as well. ;-]
Quote from: computer nerd on October 13, 2007, 07:42:34 AM
Quote from: Tezkat on October 13, 2007, 07:15:48 AM
Heh... in an "at least it can't get any worse" sort of way, you mean? :animesweat
well he could have to relived that day over and over again :3
And that's when he meets the resident psychatrist.
You know, the only doctor in SAIA?
Quote from: AndersW on October 14, 2007, 12:22:31 PM
Also, a picture for fun.
[steam roller/dip truck]
(Yes, I know it's from WFRR but...)
Dio Brando strikes again! ROAD ROLLAH!
Quote from: Reese Tora on October 14, 2007, 06:34:36 PM
So dan could have a little Aniz in him :<
I wonder if that makes 'cubihood a recesive trait (such that a 'cubi descended being is more likley to ahve a cubi ofspring with a real 'cubi) or a dominant trait that doesn't transfer to the being children(hence them not being cubi themselves).
Dominant. We have never seen a situation where two Beings have made a cubi (which is a sign of recessive traits), and as Amber said, either you make a cubi or you don't.
Quote from: Alondro on October 14, 2007, 09:18:33 PM
The truth will be that everyone is related to everyone else, making them all West Virginians (inbred, toothless hick stereotype, for all those not from the US) and they all live in a teeny torus-like universe created from a failed warp drive experiment. Their world will eventually collapse and they will all cease to exist.
And the comic will end! >:3
a-HEM!!
Not before Charline perishes in a scene of unimaginable violence fueled by copious amounts of moonshine on a bed of innumerable flaming couches.
MONTANI SEMPER LIBERI!!!
Country road~ take me home~ to the place~ I belong~
Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on October 15, 2007, 10:28:18 AM
Dominant. We have never seen a situation where two Beings have made a cubi (which is a sign of recessive traits), and as Amber said, either you make a cubi or you don't.
The problem is, "we haven't seen it" is not the same as "it doesn't exist" - we've seen Cubi + Being = Cubi, but we still only have guesses as to if Being + Cubi can make Being. It would make sense, if Cubi is dominant, that "full" Cubi plus Being would make a Cubi every time, but "half" Cubi plus "full" Being would only make a Cubi one time in four - and "half" Cubi plus "half" Cubi would make a Cubi child three times in four.
Or, in graphical terms:
C = Cubi gene, b = Being gene
A "full" Cubi would carry the Cubi gene on both sides. A "half" would carry half Cubi, half Being genes.
"full" Cubi + "half" Cubi
| "half" Cubi + "half" Cubi
| "full" Cubi + "full" Being
| "half" Cubi + "full" Being
|
Full Being + Full Being is obviously always going to bring out a full Being, barring any other interference from magic and the like. Likewise, a full Cubi match is going to bring out Cubi every time. However, from this, we can see that a "full" and "half" match will, likewise, always bring out a Cubi; however, two halves will bring out a Being one time in four. A full Cubi would bring out a Cubi child even with a Being, but a "half" Cubi would only get every other child as a Cubi.
Of course, all this is a guess, is based on Mendelevian genetics, and presumes only a single gene controls the situation. All of which is probably wrong; Amber has mentioned that magic overrides genetics, and Cubi is probably something that involves a lot more than a single gene; at which point gene groups and clustering and all sorts of other neat features jump up and make things a -lot- more complex.
-IF- that is correct (and that's a _big_ if) we can see that, out of, say, every 16 children born to Cubi, it wouldn't be too far off to expect 11 of them to be Cubi. Since we've only seen, what, 2 Cubi children (Dan, Abel... who else?) we've got a -very- small sample size, and statistics is of no use whatsoever. So... we might as well close our eyes and throw a dart at the dartboard - it'll be just as easy, and just as accurate. And a lot more fun.
Edit:
Erm. Damn, that was more text than I thought. Sorry, Amber. I got carried away with making a point. :-/ Suffice it to say, we don't really know anything and we're all just guessing. :-]
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on October 15, 2007, 11:10:23 AM
Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on October 15, 2007, 10:28:18 AM
Dominant. We have never seen a situation where two Beings have made a cubi (which is a sign of recessive traits), and as Amber said, either you make a cubi or you don't.
- Huge Genetics Rant Here -
You bring up one interesting point I failed to see - that if we presume purely genetic rationale, it's possible for a pair of Cubi parents to make Being children (akin to a 'squib' from
Harry Potter), which is something we certainly haven't seen.
This said, Mab still owes us the whole Genetics 101 spiel... :3
Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on October 15, 2007, 10:02:40 AM
Quote from: AndersW on October 14, 2007, 12:22:31 PM
Also, a picture for fun.
[steam roller/dip truck]
(Yes, I know it's from WFRR but...)
Dio Brando strikes again! ROAD ROLLAH!
WRYYYYYY!!!!
Quote from: King Of Hearts on October 15, 2007, 11:07:22 AM
Country road~ take me home~ to the place~ I belong~
Damn tootin' :mwaha
Quote from: DarkAudit on October 15, 2007, 03:03:40 PM
Quote from: King Of Hearts on October 15, 2007, 11:07:22 AM
Country road~ take me home~ to the place~ I belong~
Damn tootin' :mwaha
*Charline bah* Go back to yer pot fields all marked "Trespasers Will Git Shot". :P
I think the final argument for Aniz and Edward being different people was that Amber said Abel has not met Edward, and he obviously
has met Aniz.
He didn't meet Cid, though. Cid died before Abel was born. He did meet Cid by proxy, though, on account of Aniz was apparently doing a stellar job of pretending to be Cid, himself. Good enough to fool May.
Quote from: Amber Williams on August 25, 2007, 04:06:06 AM
Quote from: King Of Hearts on August 25, 2007, 03:44:39 AM
Abel?
Because at least we'll be sure he'd live trough it.
You have nooOoooOoOoOooo idea how much I toyed with the idea of trying to find a way to kill off Abel in his own backstory. :B
I think Amber should resume trying to kill Abel off in his own backstory.
Quote from: Amber Williams on October 14, 2007, 01:19:42 AM
Unless of course Cyra's clan happens to be more powerful than the one Aniz is from. In the case of two Cubi from different clans having children, the more powerful clan will pass the symbol on to their offspring.
Not that this means anything. :3
Waaaait... are Dan and Abel going to get married and have kids, and they're going to be Cyra clan Cubi, because Dan's clan is more powerful than Abel's?
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on October 15, 2007, 11:10:23 AM
- Huge Genetics Rant Here -
Do you know how many cat-girls you just killed llearch.
Quote from: Raist on October 15, 2007, 05:43:40 PM
I think the final argument for Aniz and Edward being different people was that Amber said Abel has not met Edward, and he obviously has met Aniz.
He didn't meet Cid, though. Cid died before Abel was born. He did meet Cid by proxy, though, on account of Aniz was apparently doing a stellar job of pretending to be Cid, himself. Good enough to fool May.
You contradict yourself. You say that Aniz cannot be Edward, because Abel has not met Ed and has met Aniz. Then you say that Abel has not met Cid Because it was Aniz all along. It is possible Abel could have not met Edward because Ed was killed by Aniz.
Quote from: AndersW on October 15, 2007, 05:54:45 PM
Quote from: Raist on October 15, 2007, 05:43:40 PM
I think the final argument for Aniz and Edward being different people was that Amber said Abel has not met Edward, and he obviously has met Aniz.
He didn't meet Cid, though. Cid died before Abel was born. He did meet Cid by proxy, though, on account of Aniz was apparently doing a stellar job of pretending to be Cid, himself. Good enough to fool May.
You contradict yourself. You say that Aniz cannot be Edward, because Abel has not met Ed and has met Aniz. Then you say that Abel has not met Cid Because it was Aniz all along. It is possible Abel could have not met Edward because Ed was killed by Aniz.
Ed can't have been killed by Aniz, unless the dragons resurrected him, which I find improbable(but not impossible). Also, Abel having met Cid by emotional copyproxy is a technicality only, and I don't think it counts.
Quote from: Raist on October 15, 2007, 06:00:22 PM
Quote from: AndersW on October 15, 2007, 05:54:45 PM
Quote from: Raist on October 15, 2007, 05:43:40 PM
I think the final argument for Aniz and Edward being different people was that Amber said Abel has not met Edward, and he obviously has met Aniz.
He didn't meet Cid, though. Cid died before Abel was born. He did meet Cid by proxy, though, on account of Aniz was apparently doing a stellar job of pretending to be Cid, himself. Good enough to fool May.
You contradict yourself. You say that Aniz cannot be Edward, because Abel has not met Ed and has met Aniz. Then you say that Abel has not met Cid Because it was Aniz all along. It is possible Abel could have not met Edward because Ed was killed by Aniz.
Ed can't have been killed by Aniz, unless the dragons resurrected him, which I find improbable(but not impossible). Also, Abel having met Cid by emotional copyproxy is a technicality only, and I don't think it counts.
Who is to say that Ed isn't dead and Aniz has everyone fooled.
Quote from: Alondro on October 15, 2007, 04:35:28 PM
Quote from: DarkAudit on October 15, 2007, 03:03:40 PM
Quote from: King Of Hearts on October 15, 2007, 11:07:22 AM
Country road~ take me home~ to the place~ I belong~
Damn tootin' :mwaha
*Charline bah* Go back to yer pot fields all marked "Trespasers Will Git Shot". :P
Meh. Frat boys smoked it all.
Remember this, our school mascot is armed:
(http://wvutoday.wvu.edu/images/2006/4442/454a2bbd1294d_md.jpg)
Quote from: AndersW on October 15, 2007, 06:07:26 PM
Who is to say that Ed isn't dead and Aniz has everyone fooled.
How do we know that Destania in the Twink territory isn't really Aniz in disguise?
After a while you get to Descarte's "I think, therefore I am." Which if you go to the corrolaries, comes out to "I know I am, but I don't know what I am, and I have absolutely no idea whether you exist. I also don't know if the world is an illusion."
Quote from: Raist on October 15, 2007, 06:00:22 PMEd can't have been killed by Aniz, unless the dragons resurrected him
Do we have any evidence of Destania or Biggs or any dragons calling Edward by that name? And not within one of Alexsi's flashbacks?
Quote from: superluser on October 15, 2007, 07:07:38 PM
Quote from: Raist on October 15, 2007, 06:00:22 PMEd can't have been killed by Aniz, unless the dragons resurrected him
Do we have any evidence of Destania or Biggs or any dragons calling Edward by that name? And not within one of Alexsi's flashbacks?
Yes we do. http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_726.php (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_726.php)
Personally, I do not think that Aniz is pretending to be Edward. Its just that I can find no evidence to the contrary.
Quote from: AndersW on October 15, 2007, 07:54:16 PMPersonally, I do not think that Aniz is pretending to be Edward. Its just that I can find no evidence to the contrary.
I think it's a rather lousy theory, myself. It's just that, as you say, it's hard to find any concrete evidence against it. Someone said that we knew that Edward is a being, and I just didn't know if I had been thoroughly convinced of that.
The fact that Biggs calls Edward by that name is pretty damning, though. He seems to know exactly what is going on with Destania, and at the very least, I can't see any benefit in Destania lying to Biggs.
So while that doesn't mean that Edward isn't a being (however unlikely that may be), it does effectively rule out the possibility of Edward being Aniz.
Unless! (get your hip-boots on)
What if the dragons have both Edward and Aniz-pretending-to-be-Edward?
QuoteSo I was speaking with this guy from Statistics who says we have a mole. Apparently there's a guy in Creative who's leaking information to Thaddeus Tribby.
You said there's a guy leaking information to Tribby. That's the spy. Then you said the Right-Hand Man got himself a mole. I would assume to check on the spy. That's two people. That's twice as many as a minute ago.
Quote from: Naldru on October 15, 2007, 06:43:06 PM
Quote from: AndersW on October 15, 2007, 06:07:26 PM
Who is to say that Ed isn't dead and Aniz has everyone fooled.
How do we know that Destania in the Twink territory isn't really Aniz in disguise?
Aniz has his clan mark on his left forearm, seen here (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_87.php). We can see that Destania has no clan mark in that area here (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_713.php) and here (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_714.php).
Of course, there's always the possibility that Aniz was so disgusted with himself after the whole thing with Abel that he decided to change his name to Edward Ti'fonia as part of starting a whole new life. After going by that name for a few hundred years, he might prefer his new name to his old one.
Quote from: AndersW on October 15, 2007, 09:02:20 PMWe can see that Destania has no clan mark in that area here (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_713.php) and here (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_714.php).
No, we can't. That's the back of her arm. We can, however, see the inside of her arm in 703 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_703.php) and 704 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_704.php).
...interesting that we see the front, and then ten comics later, we see the back.
Quote from: Naldru on October 15, 2007, 09:13:40 PMOf course, there's always the possibility that Aniz was so disgusted with himself after the whole thing with Abel that he decided to change his name to Edward Ti'fonia as part of starting a whole new life.
`Cubi seem to have only one name, unless they were raised as beings.
Quote from: superluser on October 15, 2007, 09:17:40 PM
Quote from: AndersW on October 15, 2007, 09:02:20 PMWe can see that Destania has no clan mark in that area here (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_713.php) and here (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_714.php).
No, we can't. That's the back of her arm. We can, however, see the inside of her arm in 703 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_703.php) and 704 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_704.php).
...interesting that we see the front, and then ten comics later, we see the back.
If you look at the Abel's story comic I linked to, you can see that his clan marking is on the outside of his forearm. It is much easier to see in this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_94.php) comic, and the next (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_95.php) one.
I was kidding about the possibility of Destania being Aniz in disguise. After all, I would think that Alexsis would know her own mother. I thought that the idea was so far out in left field that nobody would take it seriously enough to check. If I had asked how we knew the Easter Bunny wasn't Aniz in disguise, would you have known that I was joking then. :mwaha
With regard to Aniz having changed his name to Edward Ti'fonia, I was part way serious. If he had decided to live like a being as atonement for what happened to Abel, he wouldn't be basing his name on what was the norm for cubi. Also, it should be noted that Abel reacted to the name Ti'fiona before he knew that Destania was the mother (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_426.php).
Quote from: AndersW on October 15, 2007, 09:24:44 PMIf you look at the Abel's story comic I linked to, you can see that his clan marking is on the outside of his forearm.
No, you're right. I'm an idiot. I'm also hopped up on store brand NyQuil, so that would be my excuse, had I not taken it after I wrote that.
Quote from: Naldru on October 15, 2007, 09:30:13 PM
With regard to Aniz having changed his name to Edward Ti'fonia, I was part way serious. If he had decided to live like a being as atonement for what happened to Abel, he wouldn't be basing his name on what was the norm for cubi. Also, it should be noted that Abel reacted to the name Ti'fiona before he knew that Destania was the mother (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_426.php).
It might be that in making a new identity for himself, part of making it up he said that Edward killed Aniz. So Abel might think that Aniz is dead, and feel that he owes Edward.
Quote from: AndersW on October 15, 2007, 09:40:08 PM
Quote from: Naldru on October 15, 2007, 09:30:13 PM
With regard to Aniz having changed his name to Edward Ti'fonia, I was part way serious. If he had decided to live like a being as atonement for what happened to Abel, he wouldn't be basing his name on what was the norm for cubi. Also, it should be noted that Abel reacted to the name Ti'fiona before he knew that Destania was the mother (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_426.php).
It might be that in making a new identity for himself, part of making it up he said that Edward killed Aniz. So Abel might think that Aniz is dead, and feel that he owes Edward.
So Edward killed Aniz in the same sense that Dan killed Destania.
I imagine the chances of Alexi not being a cubi are pretty low if Edward's really Aniz...
Maybe she is! :mowhappy
Quote from: MaskedRetriever on October 15, 2007, 10:12:23 PM
I imagine the chances of Alexi not being a cubi are pretty low if Edward's really Aniz...
Maybe she is! :mowhappy
Unless Aniz killed Edward after Alexi was born.
*Charline eats the souls of all the speculators!* There! That should put a stop to all this nonsense! :P
Quote from: Alondro on October 15, 2007, 11:10:54 PM
*Charline eats the souls of all the speculators!* There! That should put a stop to all this nonsense! :P
I thought I sold mine.
hmm...
Ed is in suspended animation, presumably unconcious
For Ed to be Aniz we have to assume that Aniz is capable of maintaining a transformation while unconcious or in suspended animation (which implies unconciousness) We could also to assume that suspended animation maintains natural transformations.
We've seen that Fae can have trouble maintaining a transfomation when distracted, though this may only apply to Nutmeg (who was having trouble maintaining her transformation even without a big spear in her chest), but we don't know that Fae transformation is in the same class as that of Cubi.
Why?
If Aniz changed his name to Edward and wanted to be known as Edward, there would be nothing mysterious about Destania calling him Edward even if she knew he was previously known as Aniz. Who says the dragons don't know everything about Edward and/or Aniz, no matter what the circumstances.
To paraphrase Sergeant Schultz from Hogan's Heroes: "We know nothing. nothing"
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on October 15, 2007, 06:10:12 PM
Quote from: AndersW on October 15, 2007, 05:54:45 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on October 15, 2007, 11:10:23 AM
- Huge Genetics Rant Here -
Do you know how many cat-girls you just killed llearch.
Not enough?
Blasphemy! Killing any number of catgirls is a crime punishable by death by shonen-ai! Bring out Jyrras!
Quote from: Aleolus on October 16, 2007, 12:36:53 PM
Blasphemy! Killing any number of catgirls is a crime punishable by death by shonen-ai! Bring out Jyrras!
Ooo, you -really- know how to party, don't you?
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on October 16, 2007, 01:00:08 PM
Quote from: Aleolus on October 16, 2007, 12:36:53 PM
Blasphemy! Killing any number of catgirls is a crime punishable by death by shonen-ai! Bring out Jyrras!
Ooo, you -really- know how to party, don't you?
Party hard! party hard!
Quote from: AndersW on October 15, 2007, 10:49:23 PM
Quote from: MaskedRetriever on October 15, 2007, 10:12:23 PM
I imagine the chances of Alexi not being a cubi are pretty low if Edward's really Aniz...
Unless Aniz killed Edward after Alexi was born.
Okay, this is just getting really stupid...and not just regular stupid, like Bush stupid, but super stupid, like Loose Change stupid. 'Cubi can recognize other 'cubi, that just seems like it would make sense, so there's no way that Destania could've not known her husband, whom she has to have had intercourse with
at least once, and....yeah. There's just certain ways you can tell. I highly doubt that such an uber-powerful succubus such as Destania would be unable to tell that her own husband wasn't a being.
Blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh. :B
Quote from: Kamunt on October 16, 2007, 09:02:11 PM
Quote from: AndersW on October 15, 2007, 10:49:23 PM
Quote from: MaskedRetriever on October 15, 2007, 10:12:23 PM
I imagine the chances of Alexi not being a cubi are pretty low if Edward's really Aniz...
Unless Aniz killed Edward after Alexi was born.
Okay, this is just getting really stupid...and not just regular stupid, like Bush stupid, but super stupid, like Loose Change stupid. 'Cubi can recognize other 'cubi, that just seems like it would make sense, so there's no way that Destania could've not known her husband, whom she has to have had intercourse with at least once, and....yeah. There's just certain ways you can tell. I highly doubt that such an uber-powerful succubus such as Destania would be unable to tell that her own husband wasn't a being.
Blaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh. :B
BUT.
Would she necessarily even bother to let on?
:mwaha
Quote from: MaskedRetriever on October 16, 2007, 10:02:57 PMWould she necessarily even bother to let on?
What possible reason would she have for not telling Biggs?
Quote from: Kamunt on October 16, 2007, 09:02:11 PMOkay, this is just getting really stupid...and not just regular stupid, like Bush stupid, but super stupid, like Loose Change stupid. 'Cubi can recognize other 'cubi, that just seems like it would make sense, so there's no way that Destania could've not known her husband, whom she has to have had intercourse with at least once, and....yeah. There's just certain ways you can tell. I highly doubt that such an uber-powerful succubus such as Destania would be unable to tell that her own husband wasn't a being.
While I'm not sure that Dee would have to have sex with Ed in order to tell if he's an incubus, I'm sure that she would be able to tell.
As for Alexsi, she had a different (presumably being) mother, so Edward could have been an incubus all along, fathered a being in Alexsi, and then fathered an incubus in Dan. Actually, unless Edward were an incubus, the issue of whether Alexsi's mother were a being or a creature wouldn't be important inf...
...wait a minute (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_306.php).
Amber? I know I usually tell authors to keep their plots to themselves, but could you possibly come in and tell us we're all wrong?
Yes. Please do come in and say that this is just all wrong. My head hurts from reading horrible neverending speculation :<
ANIZ IS EVERYONE. YOU'RE ALL ANIZ. ANIZ IS THE INTERNET.
It's a twist!
aww, I don't want to be Aniz. Can I be someone else instead?
Only if that someone else is actually Aniz in disguise.
Quote from: Zina on October 16, 2007, 10:58:36 PM
Only if that someone else is actually Aniz in disguise.
*Charline bwah ha ha!* I'm Aniz, but cleverly disguised as me!
*Alondro peeks in* That doesn't make sense...
*Charline grins* All part of my diabolical plans for Abel!
*Alondro* :U
Quote from: Zina on October 16, 2007, 10:58:36 PM
Only if that someone else is actually Aniz in disguise.
Ooh! Like... um...
(Who hasn't been done yet...)
...Albanion? :U
Amber, we would all like you to come in with a rocket launcher and shoot a gapping hole in this theory.
But she won't do that because,
a) if it is correct she won't say anything,
b) if it is incorrect she wants to watch us go crazy trying to prove or disprove it.
In fact she will likely go out of her way to keep it unknown for as long as she can just to watch us go mad.
Quote from: AndersW on October 16, 2007, 11:15:34 PMb) if it is incorrect she wants to watch us go crazy trying to prove or disprove it.
In fact she will likely go out of her way to keep it unknown for as long as she can just to watch us go mad.
I dunno. If I saw this sort of speculation about one of my characters, I'd make sure all the knives and sleeping pills were locked up.
I suppose what bothers me the most is that I came up with the idea accidentally, while employing the Socratic method.
Well if I'm Aniz, then my abilities just haven't manifested themselves yet. :<
Wake me up when they do. zzzzzzz.
Quote from: Alondro on October 16, 2007, 11:05:25 PM
Quote from: Zina on October 16, 2007, 10:58:36 PM
Only if that someone else is actually Aniz in disguise.
*Charline bwah ha ha!* I'm Aniz, but cleverly disguised as me!
*Alondro peeks in* That doesn't make sense...
*Charline grins* All part of my diabolical plans for Abel!
*Alondro* :U
Oh quiet you...For once you not bring up that fuzzy red winged butthead
I would like to point something out...
...of the two children (Dan and Abel) of an Cubi-Being relationship that we've seen, there's been one thing in common.
They've both had wings. Granted, they're both actually Cubi, but Aniz stuck around for years waiting for Abel's secondary wings to sprout, so having primary wings may not necessarily mean that one is a Cubi/Creature.
Alexsi has no wings.
Unfortunately, because Amber doesn't show us any Cubi-Being people who didn't turn out cubi, I don't have enough evidence to support what I'm saying :<
Quote from: Zina on October 16, 2007, 10:53:22 PM
ANIZ IS EVERYONE. YOU'RE ALL ANIZ. ANIZ IS THE INTERNET.
It's a twist!
*applauds* What a tweest!
Yeah, and I remember reading something Amber wrote awhile back about how creature "genetics" don't exactly work by the same scientific standards that humans and furre beings do. So, whoever posted the genetics table thing (llearch?) on whichever page of whichever topic, that's basically completely wrong, according to what Amber's said. :< Plus, science takes the fun out of everything anyways.
Quote from: Kamunt on October 17, 2007, 01:39:55 AM
Yeah, and I remember reading something Amber wrote awhile back about how creature "genetics" don't exactly work by the same scientific standards that humans and furre beings do. So, whoever posted the genetics table thing (llearch?) on whichever page of whichever topic, that's basically completely wrong, according to what Amber's said. :< Plus, science takes the fun out of everything anyways.
Oh, I knew that before I posted. *shrug*
Quote from: superluser on October 16, 2007, 10:10:27 PM
As for Alexsi, she had a different (presumably being) mother, so Edward could have been an incubus all along, fathered a being in Alexsi, and then fathered an incubus in Dan. Actually, unless Edward were an incubus, the issue of whether Alexsi's mother were a being or a creature wouldn't be important inf...
...wait a minute (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_306.php).
Amber? I know I usually tell authors to keep their plots to themselves, but could you possibly come in and tell us we're all wrong?
:U Aniz is Alexsi's biological mother!
yeah, I went there. :P
Quote from: Zachski on October 17, 2007, 12:36:08 AM
I would like to point something out...
...of the two children (Dan and Abel) of an Cubi-Being relationship that we've seen, there's been one thing in common.
They've both had wings. Granted, they're both actually Cubi, but Aniz stuck around for years waiting for Abel's secondary wings to sprout, so having primary wings may not necessarily mean that one is a Cubi/Creature.
Alexsi has no wings.
Unfortunately, because Amber doesn't show us any Cubi-Being people who didn't turn out cubi, I don't have enough evidence to support what I'm saying :<
A possible point of reference is Kria's discussion of demon's wings with Lorenda (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_771.php). Since cubi apparently share many attributes with angels and demons (http://www.missmab.com/Demo/cubi.php), the discussion may also be appropriate to cubi. Kria indicated that some demons have the wings suddenly appear full-sized in their twenties.
Quotescience takes the fun out of everything anyways
That's why it's not used
Quote from: Reese Tora on October 17, 2007, 07:45:15 AM
:U Aniz is Alexsi's biological mother!
yeah, I went there. :P
Have you ever read All You Zombies by Robert A. Heinlein (http://www.heinleinsociety.org/rah/works/shortstories/allyouzombies.html)? In this story, the main character was both his own mother and father. You're going to have to work pretty hard to beat that one for weirdness.
Quote from: Naldru on October 17, 2007, 09:48:50 PM
Have you ever read All You Zombies by Robert A. Heinlein (http://www.heinleinsociety.org/rah/works/shortstories/allyouzombies.html)? In this story, the main character was both his own mother and father. You're going to have to work pretty hard to beat that one for weirdness.
Nah. That's fairly boring, as these things go.
Sadly I can't think of any counter-examples, right now...
fry turning out to be his own grandpa was a surprise.
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on October 17, 2007, 10:43:36 PM
fry turning out to be his own grandpa was a surprise.
He did do the nasty in the pasty.
Quote from: DarkAudit on October 17, 2007, 10:58:06 PM
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on October 17, 2007, 10:43:36 PM
fry turning out to be his own grandpa was a surprise.
He did do the nasty in the pasty.
Course there was other worse things Fry has done as well
Mabye Dan mom had a Crush on abel :3
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on October 17, 2007, 10:43:36 PM
fry turning out to be his own grandpa was a surprise.
Really? I can't say it massively surprised me. It was a while ago, though. I may have forgotten just how surprising it was.
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on October 17, 2007, 10:43:36 PM
fry turning out to be his own grandpa was a surprise.
Once again, that sentence is really weirding me out every time I see it. "Fry" is one of my nicknames, and yes, it's because of the Futurama character.
It's brought a whole new level of weird to watching Futurama.
Quote from: computer nerd on October 18, 2007, 07:06:32 AM
Mabye Dan mom had a Crush on abel :3
Now
that would be amusing, Destiana offering Abel lessons in Evil after class with naughty intentions, and Able declining because she creeped him out to no end! Imagine!