So does this mean that Dan has the ability to project others' thoughts? Or are those his own?
It's possible Fi might be able to read his thoughts too. Dan was expecting Abel to foresee the melon thing, after all, so his mind is not being shielded.
wow, i bet Sigmund Freud would absolutely /love/ Dan. :P
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 31, 2007, 05:08:31 AMIt's possible Fi might be able to read his thoughts too. Dan was expecting Abel to foresee the melon thing, after all, so his mind is not being shielded.
Except that the vision was behind him. He had to turn around to see it.
(Sometimes a joke with a blatent fourth wall break, is just a joke with a blatent fourth wall break)
a) Quite sure it's his own, sort of.
b) Fi can read thoughts? or...
c) Dan can project thoughts for others to read? or...
d) His subconsious is strong enough to project thoughts? (and the only subconsious thing we know of Dan thus far are his wingies...)
Quote from: Psaakyrn on August 31, 2007, 05:10:23 AM
a) Quite sure it's his own, sort of.
b) Fi can read thoughts? or...
c) Dan can project thoughts for others to read? or...
d) His subconsious is strong enough to project thoughts? (and the only subconsious thing we know of Dan thus far are his wingies...)
Also, that scene so calls for a wallpaper... (it's already wallpapered in Dan's mind anyway)
Dan seems a little I'll right now
Quote from: Amber Williams on August 31, 2007, 05:10:09 AM(Sometimes a joke with a blatent fourth wall break, is just a joke with a blatent fourth wall break)
Aww. You gotta admit, though, if it were possible, it would be awesome to use `cubi for movie projectors. ``OK, Dan. We're going to buy one ticket to Ben Hur. Then come back here and tell us what you saw.''
(This gives me an idea...)
I've often wondered how people (especially males) manage to cope if they are attracted to a parent or sibling. There is a condition where if a brother and sister are separated at an early age and then meet up later they can be sexually attracted to each other.Star wars is a good example of this.(Luke and Leia)
Imagine if your mother stayed looking 25 all of your life.
Personally I think humanity is serious messed up, our backs to the forest, or eyes turned towards the stars. (I'll have to remember that one)
I was going to go to sleep, but I realized that I totally forgot to comment on the awesome drawing in panels 2 and 3. The shading, the coloring, the shapes are all quite excellent. Right down to the little pink blushes in Abel's cheeks, which stand out quite nicely in contrast to the metallic cobalt background.
Wheres the drano..Im gonna need to clear my eye sockets. She was cute and hot but not that..Im gonna shut up now. BTW Amber...Blushing Abel=Super cuteness
Dude...Dan's mum is hot!
true as that may be i think Dan needs to reconsider his drinking options. bleach won't keep him occupied long enough to forget what he's dreamed up.. poor boy he almost makes us seem normal
Well... she aint MY mom so rawwrrrrrrrrr!
Now imagine if that happened in a dream and he ended up unable to turn it off.
Quote from: Amber Williams on August 31, 2007, 05:10:09 AM
(Sometimes a joke with a blatent fourth wall break, is just a joke with a blatent fourth wall break)
oooooh, a fourth wall jigsaw puzzle.
you know, other than the clevage(this time! :giggle), you can definitely see the family resemblance.
Nice ;)
Quote from: Amber Williams on August 31, 2007, 05:10:09 AM
(Sometimes a joke with a blatant fourth wall break, is just a joke with a blatant fourth wall break)
Wouldn't that be the Second wall though? being the wall BEHIND Dan?
New Tag Line(s) then.
DMFA: Breaking more walls than Checkerboard Nightmare ever did.
DMFA: 4th wall? Meet the second wall. Happy Breakmas
DFMA: Ever wonder what goes on behind that Second wall?
***
(edit: oops, misspelled Nightmare)
Quote from: Illusionist on August 31, 2007, 06:12:53 AM
Dude...Dan's mum is hot!
Don't worry, Biggs agrees with you.
Or maybe, you should worry more. :x
This sort of 4th-wall-breaking would've led to interesting results during this comic (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_715.php)
Nice one, though. Some silly and pure humor was a nice change from Abel's "Your mother is pure evil!" fallout. :)
Abel looks so cute when he blushes =3
I'm taking it that Dan knows his mother more than Able does, including the not so good parts of her. Dan barely flinched when Able described D as one of the most evil things he's seen.
Though I will say this, Dan does have a way of making his mom look hot (I wanna date her though she's married, Oh well... pointless flirting then).
What surprises me is that Fi was able to see Dan's mind projection long before he was consciously aware of it. That shows that Dan has more control over his conscious mind than his subconscious mind.
I think a scientific approach is in order....
We need a full wallpaper of Destania, as she was dressed in panel two and three to truly judge the family resemblance between her and Dan.
(science my six... D is hot and looks awesome in those panels)
Just realized, but it's probably been stated before.
Destania and Alexsi are probably two of the most scary people Able's met and they are both related to Dan by blood. That should make Dan one of the top 20 scariest by proxy though we all know that Dan is in fact the #1 most annoying individual that Able's met.
I could tell this one was a fourth wall thing when I saw it. But Saist, these are actually pretty good...
Quote from: je.saist on August 31, 2007, 07:38:59 AM
Quote from: Amber Williams on August 31, 2007, 05:10:09 AM
(Sometimes a joke with a blatant fourth wall break, is just a joke with a blatant fourth wall break)
Wouldn't that be the Second wall though? being the wall BEHIND Dan?
New Tag Line(s) then.
DMFA: Breaking more walls than Checkerboard Dightmare ever did.
DMFA: 4th wall? Meet the second wall. Happy Breakmas
DFMA: Ever wonder what goes on behind that Second wall?
Good ones, heh, I like those, they could be actual taglines!
(And I'm joining the group, for a seven-thousand-year-old woman, Dee is SEXY!)
Ssssssssoo... hot....
:mowdizzy
Hehe, Oedipus. :giggle
Quote from: Fex on August 31, 2007, 07:56:08 AM
Abel looks so cute when he blushes =3
Ain't that the truth... Though, if you ask me, I'd much rather go with Destania. Sexy and evil. Hit the town and set her loose in a club and you'll be the only one walking out satisfied when the evening is over...
Quote from: Amber Williams on August 31, 2007, 05:10:09 AM
(Sometimes a joke with a blatent fourth wall break, is just a joke with a blatent fourth wall break)
Ceci n'est pas une pipe. (http://foucault.info/documents/foucault.thisIsNotaPipe.en.html)*
(*"This is not a pipe." but you already knew that :P )
Quote from: Madmann135 on August 31, 2007, 07:58:32 AM
We need a full wallpaper of Destania, as she was dressed in panel two and three to truly judge the family resemblance between her and Dan...
Totally agreed :nod
Quote from: Reese Tora on August 31, 2007, 11:40:26 AM
Quote from: Amber Williams on August 31, 2007, 05:10:09 AM
(Sometimes a joke with a blatent fourth wall break, is just a joke with a blatent fourth wall break)
Ceci n'est pas une pipe. (http://foucault.info/documents/foucault.thisIsNotaPipe.en.html)*
(*"This is not a pipe." but you already knew that :P )
That's pretty weird you mention that, Reese; we discussed that last night in my Art Appreciation class.
maybe that was the way Dan saw his mom dressed the last time he saw her...which brings up other questions.
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on August 31, 2007, 12:05:31 PM
maybe that was the way Dan saw his mom dressed the last time he saw her...which brings up other questions.
By the looks of it he was about five at the time.
Quote from: MT Hazard on August 31, 2007, 05:37:20 AM
Imagine if your mother stayed looking 25 all of your life.
Although he was my father, I never really seemed able to address him as 'Dad', not least because he looked younger than I did.
Having taken Greek Mythology, I would like to clear up something even Freud got mixed up. Oedipus did not love his mother incestual, he in fact did not even know the woman he had married was his mother (having never known her since his father had the boy abandoned in the mountains because a prophet said Oedipus would be the death of him). Plus, there is the whole thing of once he realized who she was he quickly gouged out his eyes for his horrible mistake, so he's little more than a subject of cruel fate. It didn't help that his father was a temperamental idiot that Oedipus killed in a fit of road rage (he still did not know that this was his actual father at the time).
Just felt like clearing that up. Behold the epitome of ancient dysfunctional families.
Assuming for a moment that that's actually Dan's mental image (and that the out-of-continuity joke is just the fact that it's suddenly projected behind him), this sorta raises the question of how old Dan estimates both Abel and his mother to be.
I'm not sure if he was ever told (in strict canon, limited to what was actually said in a comic) how old either of them are, but either he knows the rough ages of both or neither since he clearly pictures his mother as being an adult while Abel is still a kid.
Of course, keeping in mind that Dan most likely knows quite a bit of his mother's background, he'll know that she's not as young as she looks like.
</random musing>
Like with Lady Tsunade, for a cubi, age has nothing to do with looks (at least past the first 30 years).
Quote from: Psaakyrn on August 31, 2007, 05:11:17 AM
That scene so calls for a wallpaper...
I Agree 100% with you on that...It should become a wallpaper.
*Charles still thinks Fa'lina is hotter* But yes, Dan has many issues, which just keep growing and compounding as time goes on. I'm sure he's going to end up marrying a coat rack out of utter confusion and delusion one day. :3
Well in personal favor..Alot people have their moments of likeing
Quote from: Sid on August 31, 2007, 01:16:09 PM
I'm not sure if he was ever told (in strict canon, limited to what was actually said in a comic) how old either of them are, but either he knows the rough ages of both or neither since he clearly pictures his mother as being an adult while Abel is still a kid.
Abel has told Jyrras that he's spent some three hundred years in SAIA. I'm not sure Dan knows, though.
Quote from: Alondro on August 31, 2007, 01:46:46 PM
*Charles still thinks Fa'lina is hotter* But yes, Dan has many issues, which just keep growing and compounding as time goes on. I'm sure he's going to end up marrying a coat rack out of utter confusion and delusion one day. :3
marry a coat rack or someone he hate now >:3
Quote from: computer nerd on August 31, 2007, 02:05:49 PM
Quote from: Alondro on August 31, 2007, 01:46:46 PM
*Charles still thinks Fa'lina is hotter* But yes, Dan has many issues, which just keep growing and compounding as time goes on. I'm sure he's going to end up marrying a coat rack out of utter confusion and delusion one day. :3
marry a coat rack or someone he hate now >:3
I'll rember this...Oh yess... :mwaha
Sleep with one eye open Charlene...
now now just because ts some ones he currently hates or at least does not see romantically does not mean that they hate him or would let him have someone else. and considering Dan's clan's strengthens and the prospects that most would consider the child would be one for whom to one of the views of the Armageddon was written for.
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 31, 2007, 01:54:58 PM
Abel has told Jyrras that he's spent some three hundred years in SAIA. I'm not sure Dan knows, though.
Well, Abel has tossed out the 300 years figure in a snappy comeback to Dan (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_658.php) as well, but he never actually said that's how long — give or take a few decades—
he's been studying (to be a jerk).
Quote from: Sid on August 31, 2007, 01:16:09 PMI'm not sure if he was ever told (in strict canon, limited to what was actually said in a comic) how old either of them are, but either he knows the rough ages of both or neither since he clearly pictures his mother as being an adult while Abel is still a kid.
He knows that Abel is still a student (or else why would they be roommates) and that his mother was a teacher.
Quote from: Reese Tora on August 31, 2007, 11:40:26 AMCeci n'est pas une pipe. (http://foucault.info/documents/foucault.thisIsNotaPipe.en.html)*
Perhaps Duchamp would be more appropriate?
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/superluser/destanialhooq.jpg)
Quote from: Alondro on August 31, 2007, 01:46:46 PM
*Charles still thinks Fa'lina is hotter* But yes, Dan has many issues, which just keep growing and compounding as time goes on. I'm sure he's going to end up marrying a coat rack out of utter confusion and delusion one day. :3
Charles likes big butts and he did not lie
Us other brothers shouldn't deny
That when a Poodle walks in with an itty bitty waist
And a round thing in his face
He gets sprung
Wanna pull up tough
Cuz he noticed that rump was stuffed
Quote from: MT Hazard on August 31, 2007, 05:37:20 AM
I've often wondered how people (especially males) manage to cope if they are attracted to a parent or sibling. There is a condition where if a brother and sister are separated at an early age and then meet up later they can be sexually attracted to each other.Star wars is a good example of this.(Luke and Leia)
Oh, it's easy. You just remind yourself that they'll really, really hate you if you let on, and that you have to live with them for years, even if they hate you. And then go fantasize about Aeris and Lara Croft instead.
Or, er, so I'd imagine. :mowcookie
Quote from: Manawolf on August 31, 2007, 12:51:31 PM
Having taken Greek Mythology, I would like to clear up something even Freud got mixed up. Oedipus did not love his mother incestual, he in fact did not even know the woman he had married was his mother (having never known her since his father had the boy abandoned in the mountains because a prophet said Oedipus would be the death of him). Plus, there is the whole thing of once he realized who she was he quickly gouged out his eyes for his horrible mistake, so he's little more than a subject of cruel fate. It didn't help that his father was a temperamental idiot that Oedipus killed in a fit of road rage (he still did not know that this was his actual father at the time).
Just felt like clearing that up. Behold the epitome of ancient dysfunctional families.
What I find funny about the Oedipus story was that if old dad did not listen to the 'seer' then the whole 'son killing pop and marrying mom' would not have happened. If Oedipus parents were proper parents then those events would not have happened.
Dan's expression in the last panel says it all, he loves his mom in a son loves his mom sort of way (the proper way). He was even upset at his sub conscious for thinking of that and asked for Bleach to clean the memory from his mind.
The Dan impersonating Alexsi also shows that he respects his sister and loves her as a sister (the way it should be).
Dan may be a quick to flirt slow to think kind of guy but he's a good quick to flirt, slow to think kind of guy.
EVIL WANTS YOUR COOKIE! EVIL WANTS YOUR COOKIE! EVIL WANTS YOUR COOKIE! EVIL WANTS YOUR COOKIE! EVIL WANTS YOUR COOKIE! EVIL WANTS YOUR COOKIE! EVIL WANTS YOUR COOKIE!
Ah, I like Dan's view of Destania!
Dude, if a persons mother is young and attractive, it is perfectly normal to recognize that, and possibly even to feel a degree of attraction for her. This applies doubly for visions and imaginations taking place a long time in the past. Dan has no need to consume vast amounts of bleach to cleanse his system.
So basically, Dan just went 'your mom!' at himself. :mowtongue
Dan and Mabs MILF FAMILY THEATER! :mwaha
(snickers) Dan's expression in the last panel wins. And I agree with Fi, why would one imagine one's mom in such a low-cut top? :erk
He's a Van Halen fan. ;)
Quote from: xHaZxMaTx on August 31, 2007, 11:47:44 PM
He's a Van Halen fan. ;)
:ipod (sings) I got it BAD, got it BAD, got it BAD... I'm hot for Teacher!
Ironically, I was introduced to that song by my dad.
Im still waiting to see him walk in playing the solo.
Quote from: Black_angel on August 31, 2007, 11:40:11 PM
(snickers) Dan's expression in the last panel wins. And I agree with Fi, why would one imagine one's mom in such a low-cut top? :erk
As I said earlier, I don't think Dan did that on purpose. If he didn't do that on purpose then he would not have been surprised by what his imagination pulled out on him.
As the comic title says, "Dan's subconscious hates him."
As on why FI can see Dan's subconscious image... It is probably due to the fact that Dan now has a Warp-Aci. We don't know much on warp-aci but we do know that they can transport from point A to point B and so forth.
So for all we know with a Warp-Aci Dan's thoughts could have been transmitted between the two and seen in wide screen.
Maybe he's doing that because he thinks THIS IS THE SITUATION ABEL MIGHT HAVE BEEN IN to support his "Abel has the hots for my mom" theory?
Maybe, just maybe, it's a joke with a blatent fourth wall break, just to be a joke with a blatent fourth wall break, and has nothing to do at all with what Dan would actually think.
I have no idea (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=3290.msg141542#msg141542) why I would think that though.
but that isn't even the fourth wall D:
Dont worry..She just likes what I like *corndog*
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on September 01, 2007, 01:02:15 AM
but that isn't even the fourth wall D:
Breaking the fourth wall refers to any form of intentionally breaking the suspension of disbelief, not just directly addressing the audience... like, say, a stage hand visibly handing an actor a prop on stage as part of a play.
Well, besides the source I was quoting for that... (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=3290.msg141542#msg141542) The way the comic is presented, it does not show any real reference to the poster in the background being a "thought" as far as I can tell, but rather, as a poster in the background which the characters are suddenly standing in front of.
This challenging the reader's disbelief, and breaking the fourth wall, even though neither character directly addressed the audience.
So my interpretation is that the strip is just a "to the audience" joke that is a play on the last frame of the last strip, and not meant to be any sort of literal interpretation of what was going on in Dan's head.
YMMV.
Sarcasm really is a lost art. :(
Quote from: xHaZxMaTx on September 01, 2007, 01:18:32 AM
Sarcasm really is a lost art. :(
And was easier to misguide and back track as well doing so
I have somehow missed the title for this update (*insert Benny Hill theme here*), and feel compelled to note that the title of the song used for the Benny Hill credits is Yakety Sax (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BXnJl0Kaajs).
I don't really have anything else to say, except that I don't know how Yakety Sax relates to anything, unless it's relating to Amber's hectic schedule. If that's the case, then I feel sorry for Amber.
Quote from: Madmann135 on September 01, 2007, 12:25:56 AMAs on why FI can see Dan's subconscious image... It is probably due to the fact that Dan now has a Warp-Aci. We don't know much on warp-aci but we do know that they can transport from point A to point B and so forth.
So for all we know with a Warp-Aci Dan's thoughts could have been transmitted between the two and seen in wide screen.
What we do know about Warp-Aci is that they somehow aquire the clan symbol of the 'cubi that they serve. It's possible that there's a deeper link than just a superficial alteration of coloration.
Quote from: xHaZxMaTx on September 01, 2007, 01:18:32 AM
Sarcasm really is a lost art. :(
Sarcasm doesn't really work on the internet. (http://www.commissionedcomic.com/index.php?strip=864)
Quote from: WhiteFire on September 01, 2007, 01:17:25 AM
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on September 01, 2007, 01:02:15 AM
but that isn't even the fourth wall D:
Breaking the fourth wall refers to any form of intentionally breaking the suspension of disbelief, not just directly addressing the audience... like, say, a stage hand visibly handing an actor a prop on stage as part of a play.
Well, besides the source I was quoting for that... (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=3290.msg141542#msg141542) The way the comic is presented, it does not show any real reference to the poster in the background being a "thought" as far as I can tell, but rather, as a poster in the background which the characters are suddenly standing in front of.
This challenging the reader's disbelief, and breaking the fourth wall, even though neither character directly addressed the audience.
So my interpretation is that the strip is just a "to the audience" joke that is a play on the last frame of the last strip, and not meant to be any sort of literal interpretation of what was going on in Dan's head.
YMMV.
*AHEM*
QuoteDefinitions of fourth wall on the Web:
the invisible wall open to the audience in a box set (see also box set)
wps.ablongman.com/wps/media/objects/130/133428/glossary.html
convention of the realistic theater in which the audience assumes it is looking through an invisible wall into an actual room; this wall is determined by the opening in the proscenium arch.
filmplus.org/thr/dic2.html
The imaginary wall through which the audience can see into the lives of the characters.
www.kentaylor.co.uk/die/materials/docs/lessons/yr12/edmonton1/a_level_glossary.html
an imaginary surface at the edge of the stage through with the audience watches a performance
www.yotor.com/wiki/en/th/Theater%20terms.htm
Specifically in a proscenium theater, the term fourth wall applies to the imaginary invisible wall at the front of the stage in a theater through which the audience sees the action in the world of the play. In an arena theater, or theater-in-the-round, all four walls are in effect "fourth walls." One also speaks of a fourth wall in fictional realms, in literature, movies, television, radio, comic books, and other forms of entertainment.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_wall
Or, in this case, maybe Amber just means meta-humor.
Can we drop it or do we have to analyze why Amber is wrong, wrong, wrong and needs to be told that?
(If we do need to perform such an analysis, I withdraw my objection.)
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on September 01, 2007, 03:06:08 AM
Specifically in a proscenium theater, the term fourth wall applies to the imaginary invisible wall at the front of the stage in a theater through which the audience sees the action in the world of the play. In an arena theater, or theater-in-the-round, all four walls are in effect "fourth walls." One also speaks of a fourth wall in fictional realms, in literature, movies, television, radio, comic books, and other forms of entertainment.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_wall
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Further into the Wikipedia article you quote, which I used for reference:
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The term "breaking the fourth wall" in theatre generally means when a character is showing his/her awareness of the audience. The term originated from Bertolt Brecht's theory of "epic theatre" that he developed from (and in contrast to) Konstantin Stanislavski's drama theory. Most often, the fourth wall is broken through a character directly addressing the audience, although the same effect can be achieved by breaking character, through dialogue, or by the characters interacting with objects outside the context of the work (e.g. a character is handed a prop by a stage hand).
Anyway, that is my last word on the subject. Obviously it's only fair that your entitled to your own. I'll be happy to read it. I just won't respond to it publicly, 'cause I think I've bored people to death sufficiently already here... and I don't think that's worth doing over such a hair splitting subject.
I've probably beaten this horse more than enough, but that isn't stopping me from posting this apparently. My will is weak...
do I have to look up "breaking character" now?
...yeah, I'm not seeing the blatant fourth-wall-break or the character-breaking, either.
(Working with gut instinct only, it's possible I'm not completely right)
"Breaking character" is basically just a character not really acting like the character. For example, if a character refers to being in a comic or has access to information he normally shouldn't have, then that's basically him breaking character. Mild examples of this would be actually mentioning flashbacks (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_414.php), sensing plot twists (and having no memory of things that happened off-panel) (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_145.php), interacting with the narrator (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_216.php), and so on. For more serious examples, read Bob and George (http://www.bobandgeorge.com/). :P
In this case, Dan and Fi react to something that's in the comic panel, but not actually in their world. The mental image is only projected for the reader (like when Biggs imagined Danielle while describing her), but the characters see it anyway.
Hope that helps...
Well, whatever the verdict, I must say I absolutely died laughing at this comic...it was so wrong and yet so right.
Poor, poor Dan...oh noes the awkwardness! Oh noes indeed!
-Seth
Quote from: xHaZxMaTx on September 01, 2007, 01:18:32 AM
Sarcasm really is a lost art. :(
Only on the Internet. If someone types something like they're being serious, or types something just for the sake of typing more (guilty :blush ), people take it seriously, and if they say they were just kidding, it seems fake.
Sarcasm in the real world is alive and well and living in my dad. :rolleyes
ok if the fourth wall actively engages the audience (i.e. information that is known through an outside reasourse/ other reality) and the third wall shows comic characters actively realizing they are part of a continuity within a reality (i.e. a character mentioning somthing that happened several strips ago, litterally using "didn't we do that several strips ago?") then what are the first and second walls?
My mom suggests perhaps their being out of frame but not out of sight. Like Fa'Lina and her circle (http://www.missmab.com/Demo/Cubi01.php). Or like this (http://www.applegeeks.com/lite/index.php?aglitecomic=2006-11-06), where Hawk's ball bounces off the panel lines.
Quote from: superluser on September 01, 2007, 03:21:51 AM
Can we drop it or do we have to analyze why Amber is wrong, wrong, wrong and needs to be told that?
(If we do need to perform such an analysis, I withdraw my objection.)
Nope, in my short stay here I easily see *everything* must be analyzed to death .. I await the "secret messages in abel's spots" thread.
And with that I give the under anlyzed
.. Purdy comic !! Shiny!
.. Joke good, I laugh .. HAR HAR HAR :giggle
:)
Quote from: Manawolf on August 31, 2007, 12:51:31 PM
Having taken Greek Mythology, I would like to clear up something even Freud got mixed up. Oedipus did not love his mother incestual, he in fact did not even know the woman he had married was his mother (having never known her since his father had the boy abandoned in the mountains because a prophet said Oedipus would be the death of him). Plus, there is the whole thing of once he realized who she was he quickly gouged out his eyes for his horrible mistake, so he's little more than a subject of cruel fate. It didn't help that his father was a temperamental idiot that Oedipus killed in a fit of road rage (he still did not know that this was his actual father at the time).
Just felt like clearing that up. Behold the epitome of ancient dysfunctional families.
Having romantic or sexual feelings toward a parent is still called an Oedipus Complex.
And can we drop the whole "fourth wall" thing already? It's been explained several times; if people still don't get it, or refuse to accept it as such, they never will. And the whole thing will be forgotten as soon as Abel's Story updates anyway.
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on September 01, 2007, 09:15:01 PM
ok if the fourth wall actively engages the audience (i.e. information that is known through an outside reasourse/ other reality) and the third wall shows comic characters actively realizing they are part of a continuity within a reality (i.e. a character mentioning somthing that happened several strips ago, litterally using "didn't we do that several strips ago?") then what are the first and second walls?
The first through third wall are not their own thing. They refer to the physical walls of a play, things that are really part of the play. I do not believe there is any third wall usage like you suggest at all. When a character refers to information they would not have "in character" they are breaking character, and thus, breaking the forth wall.
I suggest you read all of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_wall (note: third wall just redirects to this article) and come to your own conclusions however. People seem to find interpretations there that I don't quite see myself, so I may be way off base.
Quote from: Sid on September 01, 2007, 09:38:25 AMIn this case, Dan and Fi react to something that's in the comic panel, but not actually in their world. The mental image is only projected for the reader (like when Biggs imagined Danielle while describing her), but the characters see it anyway.
See, I didn't/don't see that. It looked like something Fi could literally see.
Quote from: Azraelle on September 01, 2007, 10:04:21 PM
And can we drop the whole "fourth wall" thing already? It's been explained several times; if people still don't get it, or refuse to accept it as such, they never will. And the whole thing will be forgotten as soon as Abel's Story updates anyway.
Oh, I don't think that the entire subject is dead... there seems to be some honest confusion on some people's part on how the term is used. Now, trying to decide if any particular comic is or is not involving the forth wall may have achieved 'beating dead horse' status at this point...
Personally, I'd rather discuss how cute Able is when he is blushing. :love2
I'm with Azrealle. :O LISTEN TO HER WISDOM, SHE SPEAKS THE TRUTH :O! It's been hurting my head to read the continued argument when it has been perfectly explained, like Azrealle said, many times before!
:deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse
That is how dead this is!
Ummm....wow. Well atleast no one brought up the 5th or 6th walls, both of which are too lazy to stand up for themselves. :rolleyes
Regardless there is one thing on my mind. How was Fi even aware of what was going on. Yeah I suppose it's possible that he was watching "offscreen", but the means of how is what I'm interested in.
Stupid Sexy Destania! :<
Oh, hey, I have a question regarding the whole 4th wall thing-a-ma-bob!
Who cares?! :D
Exactly! Thank you HazMatx!
the hell is wrong with you people... either you enjoyed the comic or you didn't... if you're more concerned about what wall was broken, then it's not the wall, but you that's broken... welcome to it, now talk more about why you liked about it instead of lingering on something petty...
fricken' retards...
Quote from: TikiMan on September 01, 2007, 11:33:46 PM
the hell is wrong with you people... either you enjoyed the comic or you didn't... if you're more concerned about what wall was broken, then it's not the wall, but you that's broken... welcome to it, now talk more about why you liked about it instead of lingering on something petty...
fricken' retards...
You prooved a good point Tiki but I enjoy every part I read other than the full details and welcome to the forums Tiki
hay guys, stop thinking of the comic like a comic and think of it like a stage, while we're still using stage terms! SHEESH.
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on September 01, 2007, 10:23:37 PM
I'm with Azrealle. :O LISTEN TO HER WISDOM, SHE SPEAKS THE TRUTH :O! It's been hurting my head to read the continued argument when it has been perfectly explained, like Azrealle said, many times before!
:deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse
That is how dead this is!
Wooho! Lets beat this horse some more by explaining how beaten it is! I <3 bandwagons!
:deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse :deadhorse
Yes, let's spam emoticons retardedly in place of a more intelligent discussion.
Quote from: Caswin on September 01, 2007, 10:17:42 PMSee, I didn't/don't see that. It looked like something Fi could literally see.
And then Amber explained it and it was over. The end. Good times. Good times.
You know what I like? I like this comic. I was hoping that maybe we could discuss it? Like, how Amber seems to be pretty adept at doing Merrie Melodies homages:
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/superluser/danvsbugs3.gif)
Go Amber!
Quote from: Madmann135 on August 31, 2007, 07:58:32 AMI think a scientific approach is in order....
We need a full wallpaper of Destania, as she was dressed in panel two and three to truly judge the family resemblance between her and Dan.
Fffff.
You just want an excuse to ogle teh b00bies.
Admit it.
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on September 02, 2007, 03:47:09 AM
Yes, let's spam emoticons retardedly in place of a more intelligent discussion.
Hey, at least it wasn't Hampsterdance.
Quote from: superluser on September 02, 2007, 04:00:15 AM
Quote from: Caswin on September 01, 2007, 10:17:42 PMSee, I didn't/don't see that. It looked like something Fi could literally see.
And then Amber explained it and it was over. The end. Good times. Good times.
You know what I like? I like this comic. I was hoping that maybe we could discuss it? Like, how Amber seems to be pretty adept at doing Merrie Melodies homages:
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/superluser/danvsbugs3.gif)
Go Amber!
Er, I don't think anyone else saw that. the comparison is pretty dissimilar, and we're talking about frigging facial expressions here...
Quote from: Sid on September 01, 2007, 09:38:25 AM
(Working with gut instinct only, it's possible I'm not completely right)
"Breaking character" is basically just a character not really acting like the character. For example, if a character refers to being in a comic or has access to information he normally shouldn't have, then that's basically him breaking character. Mild examples of this would be actually mentioning flashbacks (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_414.php), sensing plot twists (and having no memory of things that happened off-panel) (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_145.php), interacting with the narrator (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_216.php), and so on. For more serious examples, read Bob and George (http://www.bobandgeorge.com/). :P
In this case, Dan and Fi react to something that's in the comic panel, but not actually in their world. The mental image is only projected for the reader (like when Biggs imagined Danielle while describing her), but the characters see it anyway.
Hope that helps...
Up until Sid explained it, I was still lost as to what was going on. I had a fair idea, but I wasn't sure until he explained it.
Therefore I do not think that it is beating a dead horse to discuss it more.
Quote from: Arcalane on September 02, 2007, 07:46:58 AM
Quote from: Madmann135 on August 31, 2007, 07:58:32 AMI think a scientific approach is in order....
We need a full wallpaper of Destania, as she was dressed in panel two and three to truly judge the family resemblance between her and Dan.
Fffff.
You just want an excuse to ogle teh b00bies.
Admit it.
I won't deny it but I won't admit to it.
I have my reasons :mowcookie
it's SCIENCE!!!!
Science doesn't need to be explained all the time...
I go quiet now.
Quote from: superluser on September 02, 2007, 04:00:15 AM
Quote from: Caswin on September 01, 2007, 10:17:42 PMSee, I didn't/don't see that. It looked like something Fi could literally see.
And then Amber explained it and it was over. The end. Good times. Good times.
You know what I like? I like this comic. I was hoping that maybe we could discuss it? Like, how Amber seems to be pretty adept at doing Merrie Melodies homages:
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/superluser/danvsbugs3.gif)
Go Amber!
I hadn't noticed that... :boggle Dan's eye honestly made me think of L from Death Note.
Quote from: Madmann135 on August 31, 2007, 07:58:32 AMI think a scientific approach is in order....
We need a full wallpaper of Destania, as she was dressed in panel two and three to truly judge the family resemblance between her and Dan.
Uh, I'm pretty sure to fully see the resemblance we'd need a wallpaper of DAN in that little outfit. ;)
HAHA! NO FREE SHOWS FOR YOU!
Quote from: Sajoli on September 02, 2007, 04:27:50 PM
Quote from: Madmann135 on August 31, 2007, 07:58:32 AMI think a scientific approach is in order....
We need a full wallpaper of Destania, as she was dressed in panel two and three to truly judge the family resemblance between her and Dan.
Uh, I'm pretty sure to fully see the resemblance we'd need a wallpaper of DAN in that little outfit. ;)
HAHA! NO FREE SHOWS FOR YOU!
shhhhhh! Amber would DRAW it...
(if not her, then any of the other artists around here)
Quote from: je.saist on September 02, 2007, 07:01:43 PM
Quote from: Sajoli on September 02, 2007, 04:27:50 PM
Quote from: Madmann135 on August 31, 2007, 07:58:32 AMI think a scientific approach is in order....
We need a full wallpaper of Destania, as she was dressed in panel two and three to truly judge the family resemblance between her and Dan.
Uh, I'm pretty sure to fully see the resemblance we'd need a wallpaper of DAN in that little outfit. ;)
HAHA! NO FREE SHOWS FOR YOU!
shhhhhh! Amber would DRAW it...
(if not her, then any of the other artists around here)
:erk Quick, everyone stay out of the Art forum, unless you want to see Dan wearing that outfit!
Quote from: je.saist on August 31, 2007, 04:31:04 PM
Quote from: Alondro on August 31, 2007, 01:46:46 PM
*Charles still thinks Fa'lina is hotter* But yes, Dan has many issues, which just keep growing and compounding as time goes on. I'm sure he's going to end up marrying a coat rack out of utter confusion and delusion one day. :3
Charles likes big butts and he did not lie
Us other brothers shouldn't deny
That when a Poodle walks in with an itty bitty waist
And a round thing in his face
He gets sprung
Wanna pull up tough
Cuz he noticed that rump was stuffed
*Charles erfs* That's not true! I like big boobs! Er... :blush
i agree with AndersW. Sid Did make an excellent case much better then i could have and his choice of referring comics and it has a large selection of this humor including the author entering the comic and author character self depreciation humor
Quote from: Aleolus on September 02, 2007, 09:36:19 PM
:erk Quick, everyone stay out of the Art forum, unless you want to see Dan wearing that outfit!
What? where? I couldn't find the topic
Granted, I don't really frequent the art forum, so I wouldn't know where to look...
Quote from: Raist on September 03, 2007, 12:50:18 PM
Quote from: Aleolus on September 02, 2007, 09:36:19 PM
:erk Quick, everyone stay out of the Art forum, unless you want to see Dan wearing that outfit!
What? where? I couldn't find the topic
Granted, I don't really frequent the art forum, so I wouldn't know where to look...
No, I believe he's merely warning of
impending doom. The doom has not happened yet. I'd make it happen, were it not for my evil summer project. :<
I'd still like to see a wallpaper for Destania...even if this one comic strip was a Fourth- wall breaker joke.
Yes, same here... :mwaha
maybe we cold commission it. how much do you think it'll cost if amber agrees?
CVRPG says (http://www.cvrpg.com/main.php?page=donate) $450, and that's assuming he doesn't get some sorta family & friends discount.
that site doesn't even count.
Just for that, now it does. :U
Quote from: Amber Williams on September 04, 2007, 02:46:56 PM
Just for that, now it does. :U
Carmel corn? *holds out a bucket of it*
Quote from: Amber Williams on September 04, 2007, 02:46:56 PM
Just for that, now it does. :U
Stop being so greeeeeeeeedyyyyyyyyyy :<
Dude. If someone is willing to plunk down $450, there is few limits to what I'd be willing to draw for them. That's just common sense. :B
Capitalism is grate IMO.
Quote from: Amber Williams on September 04, 2007, 09:03:04 PM
Dude. If someone is willing to plunk down $450, there is few limits to what I'd be willing to draw for them. That's just common sense. :B
US dollars, or Canadian dollars?
I was actually considering it, then I remembered that that is most of my bi-weekly paycheck.
Quote from: Amber Williams on September 04, 2007, 09:03:04 PM
Dude. If someone is willing to plunk down $450, there is few limits to what I'd be willing to draw for them. That's just common sense. :B
Wrong answer. Otherwise you'll get some evil git like me requesting a single image billions of pixels across containing the entire first 550 DMFA strips in full resolution :mwaha
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 05, 2007, 04:12:55 AM
Wrong answer. Otherwise you'll get some evil git like me requesting a single image billions of pixels across containing the entire first 550 DMFA strips in full resolution :mwaha
Nonsense. That would just fall into one of the "few limits". :3
Quote from: Amber Williams on September 04, 2007, 09:03:04 PM
Dude. If someone is willing to plunk down $450, there is few limits to what I'd be willing to draw for them. That's just common sense. :B
How much is that in pounds of swedish fish? :B
Urf...I feel so terrible for mentioning this...but after literally getting 10+ pounds of swedish fish in less than a year and having to try to eat them all...I actually don't enjoy them anymore. :<
I've been scared to mention any other favorite food I might have out of fear it will also get flooded to me and I'll end up overdosing on them to the point I don't like them anymore either.
Quote from: Amber Williams on September 05, 2007, 04:28:25 AM
Urf...I feel so terrible for mentioning this...but after literally getting 10+ pounds of swedish fish in less than a year and having to try to eat them all...I actually don't enjoy them anymore. :<
I've been scared to mention any other favorite food I might have out of fear it will also get flooded to me and I'll end up overdosing on them to the point I don't like them anymore either.
don't worry, i'm a bit like that with chocolate these days, after being given a 10 kilo box of factory seconds from cadbury
Quote from: Amber Williams on September 04, 2007, 09:03:04 PM
Dude. If someone is willing to plunk down $450, there is few limits to what I'd be willing to draw for them. That's just common sense. :B
*Charline gets... ideas* >:3
Quote from: Alondro on September 05, 2007, 08:07:56 AM
Quote from: Amber Williams on September 04, 2007, 09:03:04 PM
Dude. If someone is willing to plunk down $450, there is few limits to what I'd be willing to draw for them. That's just common sense. :B
*Charline gets... ideas* >:3
No..Bad kitty..Or Zeddy will get bottle of vinager and water...
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 05, 2007, 04:12:55 AM
Quote from: Amber Williams on September 04, 2007, 09:03:04 PM
Dude. If someone is willing to plunk down $450, there is few limits to what I'd be willing to draw for them. That's just common sense. :B
Wrong answer. Otherwise you'll get some evil git like me requesting a single image billions of pixels across containing the entire first 550 DMFA strips in full resolution :mwaha
Dude! For $450 American, I would TOTALLY do that! What's "full-resolution" for the first 550 strips, anyway?
Quote from: Turnsky on September 05, 2007, 04:42:33 AM
Quote from: Amber Williams on September 05, 2007, 04:28:25 AM
Urf...I feel so terrible for mentioning this...but after literally getting 10+ pounds of swedish fish in less than a year and having to try to eat them all...I actually don't enjoy them anymore. :<
I've been scared to mention any other favorite food I might have out of fear it will also get flooded to me and I'll end up overdosing on them to the point I don't like them anymore either.
don't worry, i'm a bit like that with chocolate these days, after being given a 10 kilo box of factory seconds from cadbury
22 pounds of chocolate isn't that much, really. Not when you eat it the way I do.
Quote from: Raist on September 05, 2007, 12:49:42 PM
Dude! For $450 American, I would TOTALLY do that! What's "full-resolution" for the first 550 strips, anyway?
... redrawing from scratch, since the originals are no longer handy.