The red eyes look scary on Aniz
"No."
Aniz. Serious business.
R.I.P. Hennya....
Cursed Pirated internet connection..... :censored
Yeah....bye Hennya. It's been fun. :cheers
Awwwwwwww Hennyasgonnadie Hennyasgonnadie Hennyasgonnadie .... :( *covers eyes*
Yep... its bitey timez now.
But who knows... I think its ripe for a twist more or less.
Hair snakes, honey. When people start pulling blocks, you pull out all the stops.
Am I the only one who thinks that Aniz looks like he's under considerable stress? Unless he's shutting off his sense of sight to heighten his preternatural senses, he should probably keep those eyes open.
Edit: Oh, wait. They are open a sliver. Probably shouldn't be squinting, then.
Hmmmm what a loevely moment right now. I could a tremor of time slowing down or some sort of bullet time epicness
Good Bai Henya. We barely knew thee aside from thine rump in the air.
Quote from: je.saist on August 25, 2007, 02:29:43 AM
Good Bai Henya. We barely knew thee aside from thine rump in the air.
Ahnora's not going to be too pleased when he finds out his fiance has been sliced'n'diced.
By the looks of it he isn't simply going to restrain her.
NO! NOT HENNYA! ;.;
Quote from: LigerJet on August 25, 2007, 03:37:49 AMNO! NOT HENNYA! ;.;
Who would you rather Aniz attack?
Abel?
Because at least we'll be sure he'd live trough it.
Quote from: King Of Hearts on August 25, 2007, 03:44:39 AM
Abel?
Because at least we'll be sure he'd live trough it.
You have nooOoooOoOoOooo idea how much I toyed with the idea of trying to find a way to kill off Abel in his own backstory. :B
Quote from: Amber Williams on August 25, 2007, 04:06:06 AM
Quote from: King Of Hearts on August 25, 2007, 03:44:39 AM
Abel?
Because at least we'll be sure he'd live trough it.
You have nooOoooOoOoOooo idea how much I toyed with the idea of trying to find a way to kill off Abel in his own backstory. :B
:U Abel is really Aniz in disguise! Run, Dan! RUN!
Quote from: Amber Williams on August 25, 2007, 04:06:06 AM
You have nooOoooOoOoOooo idea how much I toyed with the idea of trying to find a way to kill off Abel in his own backstory. :B
Methinks you missed a trick...
Aniz looks a lot worse than I expected, I didn't know Hennya had sone so much damage.
Quote from: Illusionist on August 25, 2007, 04:32:18 AMAniz looks a lot worse than I expected, I didn't know Hennya had sone so much damage.
Yuh. I'm still trying to decide if he's clutching his chest or preparing to skewer (the claws would suggest the latter, but I'd assume that he would have been in attack mode already, anyways). The fact that he's putting all his weight on one leg usually doesn't indicate having the upper hand, in any case.
right about now I bet Amber is snickering to herself
"I told you Henya was going to die. I told you. But did you listen? Nupe. Nobody listens to Mabby. Well, hahaha, you'll learn to listen"
notice that this is the first time drawn that a completely angel winged cubi has no tentacle heads
Yup the clan leader must already be dead
Quote from: ??? (Hellcat) on August 25, 2007, 05:59:00 AM
notice that this is the first time drawn that a completely angel winged cubi has no tentacle heads
Yup the clan leader must already be dead
I don't know whether you get tentacle-heads like that automatically if your clan leader still lives. It might be something specific that the leader has to do.
**EDIT**
to clarify, his clan leader is almost certainly dead, but it might be possible to have a living clan leader and still no tentacle-heads.
(Fa'Lina probably
is her 'clan-leader')
Wow... And I happened to listen to the Lord of the Rings music when I read that... I can only say, evil...
Quote from: ??? (Hellcat) on August 25, 2007, 05:59:00 AM
notice that this is the first time drawn that a completely angel winged cubi has no tentacle heads
Yup the clan leader must already be dead
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 25, 2007, 06:29:32 AM
I don't know whether you get tentacle-heads like that automatically if your clan leader still lives. It might be something specific that the leader has to do.
**EDIT**
to clarify, his clan leader is almost certainly dead, but it might be possible to have a living clan leader and still no tentacle-heads.
(Fa'Lina probably is her 'clan-leader')
That sounds interesting. I didn't know the wing heads had anything to do with the clan relationship. Could you give a link for an interested "long time newbie" where this is explained?
Gasp :U
I'll I have to add is 'Doh'
Quote from: 127.0.0.2 on August 25, 2007, 07:58:48 AM
Wow... And I happened to listen to the Lord of the Rings music when I read that... I can only say, evil...
Which one? Bo Hansson's album from 1970? Stephen Oliver's theme music from 1980? :P
QuoteThat sounds interesting. I didn't know the wing heads had anything to do with the clan relationship. Could you give a link for an interested "long time newbie" where this is explained?
I think it comes from Aary's Livejournal, and therefore is kind of apocryphal. There have been a few subtle comments from Amber which lend support to the theory, but I don't have those to hand.
http://aary-kitty.livejournal.com/
(April 12 2005)
This edited image of a Cyanide and Happiness cartoon entirely summed up my first thought after seeing that comic.
(http://img513.imageshack.us/img513/5773/yeahsn7.png)
One can only hope...
Quote from: Reese Tora on August 25, 2007, 04:08:56 AM
Quote from: Amber Williams on August 25, 2007, 04:06:06 AM
Quote from: King Of Hearts on August 25, 2007, 03:44:39 AM
Abel?
Because at least we'll be sure he'd live trough it.
You have nooOoooOoOoOooo idea how much I toyed with the idea of trying to find a way to kill off Abel in his own backstory. :B
:U Abel is really Aniz in disguise! Run, Dan! RUN!
Yes! That's right, I'm Abel! :mwaha
Maybe.. abel will save her.. somehow... :mowignore :mowsad
I doubt Abel will be much help, unless his mother had some kind of berserker gene/bloodlust limit which mutates him or his mother into some kind of monster/creature that is both horrifying and one which Abel can't control... possibly related to the evil darkness we saw May display earlier in the story against the principal.
Oh dear.
In related news, the rant confuses me. Or at least part of it. Mainly the "attention" part, how many people see your art, how popular other artists are, etc. It feels like two different rants.
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 25, 2007, 08:23:04 AM
Quote from: 127.0.0.2 on August 25, 2007, 07:58:48 AM
Wow... And I happened to listen to the Lord of the Rings music when I read that... I can only say, evil...
Which one? Bo Hansson's album from 1970? Stephen Oliver's theme music from 1980? :P
QuoteThat sounds interesting. I didn't know the wing heads had anything to do with the clan relationship. Could you give a link for an interested "long time newbie" where this is explained?
I think it comes from Aary's Livejournal, and therefore is kind of apocryphal. There have been a few subtle comments from Amber which lend support to the theory, but I don't have those to hand.
http://aary-kitty.livejournal.com/
(April 12 2005)
I remember reading something about this in the nice forum, so that would be the place to look for the reference. You can find the nice forum archive here http://nice.llearch.net/ (http://nice.llearch.net/)
If I remember correctly it had to do with the clan leader casting a spell that gave their clan the heads on their wing tentacles. And it was a very powerful spell so it is a sign of a powerful clan.
Just a thought.
This is Aniz with tentacles. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_98.php)
This is Aaryanna with tentacles. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_291.php)
The tentacles look similar. Do you think they could be related? If they are, that would also mean that Abel and Aaryanna are related.
For comparison
Destania with tentacles. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_298.php)
Dan with tentacles. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_378.php)
Quote from: Amber Williams on August 25, 2007, 04:06:06 AM
Quote from: King Of Hearts on August 25, 2007, 03:44:39 AM
Abel?
Because at least we'll be sure he'd live trough it.
You have nooOoooOoOoOooo idea how much I toyed with the idea of trying to find a way to kill off Abel in his own backstory. :B
You're a moderately evil person.
I don't suppose it would be possible to have Hennya NOT die... would it?
Quote from: Naldru on August 25, 2007, 11:25:45 AM
Just a thought.
*stuff*
Here we go back in Conspiracyland, again. Aren't we trying to avoid that place?
Quote from: Amber Williams on August 25, 2007, 04:06:06 AM
You have nooOoooOoOoOooo idea how much I toyed with the idea of trying to find a way to kill off Abel in his own backstory. :B
I like it, and I can think of 2 or 3 ways to pull it off just off the top of my head, without even breaking continuity.(in addition to the already-mentioned "Present-day Abel is really Aniz in disguise... again")
Quote from: Naldru on August 25, 2007, 11:25:45 AM
Just a thought.
This is Aniz with tentacles. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_98.php)
This is Aaryanna with tentacles. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_291.php)
The tentacles look similar. Do you think they could be related? If they are, that would also mean that Abel and Aaryanna are related.
For comparison
Destania with tentacles. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_298.php)
Dan with tentacles. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_378.php)
It seems like just a 'cubi trait. Besides, Abel displayed the same ability (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_552.php), but Aary's seem a bit different.
looks at rant.... Okay, Amber I think your a bit paranoid, the idea that anyone thinks your personal rant is about anybody but yourself is unlikely. and this concept of "wangst" baffles and confuses me...are you talking about rolling around in the severed parts of male phallus?
For the classic cleaners joke I give Hennya 5 style points, the sudden attack but not a good follow through still gets her 15 style points but 30 courage points.
I'm actually hoping that Aniz dies of blood loss, dies of heart attack, defeated by random mind crush, falls unconscious, gets hit by meteor, electrocuted by faulty wiring, Murphy death, dies from a sudden attack of adventurers, attacked by pixies, or something along those lines where he is quickly defeated, Hennya survives making a quick and complete recovery. Able and May somehow get past this fiasco and manage to live on with their lives.
I don't want Hennya to die, I'm still rooting for her.
"GO HENNYA!!!, GO HENNYA!!! KICK THAT EVIL DEMON'S TAIL! BE OUR HERO!!!"
(technically cubi are considered to be of the demonic kind)
[coughs and ahems]
...
KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL! KILL...!
No, really. Talk about things falling into place here. Now, if only every cubi could have a childhood like that...
Quote from: Madmann135 on August 25, 2007, 12:48:46 PM
I'm actually hoping that Aniz dies ... or something along those lines where he is quickly defeated, Hennya survives making a quick and complete recovery. Able and May somehow get past this fiasco and manage to live on with their lives.
That would be almost as mindbending as Abel dying.
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 25, 2007, 08:23:04 AM
Which one? Bo Hansson's album from 1970? Stephen Oliver's theme music from 1980? :P
Argh! You got me! No, in this case I simply meant the chorals of the soundtrack from Peter Jackson's interpretation. (The Weathertop scene of the first part, to be exact). But I can say to my defense that I read the books long before the real-action movies came out at least, and am thus none of the "nice fantasy flick" people.
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 25, 2007, 08:23:04 AM
I think it comes from Aary's Livejournal, and therefore is kind of apocryphal. There have been a few subtle comments from Amber which lend support to the theory, but I don't have those to hand.
http://aary-kitty.livejournal.com/
(April 12 2005)
The "characters are real people" concept is still good for surprises I see. Didn't know she is still so actively taking part in the story. Thanks for the info, things make sense now.
I looked at the rant again, and came to the same conclusion that I did before. I don't want to put words in Amber's mouth, but the following is my understanding of the situation. It is also similar to feelings that I have heard expressed by a number of other people.
Amber is annoyed by people contacting her, believing that she has the secret knowledge of cartooning successfully and finding happiness. Doing anything well, whether producing a webcomic, being a chef, or being a manager, is hard work. (There are some managers who believe that they are doing well while not working hard, but the truth is that they are usually very poor managers.) If you're not getting satisfaction from the work, Amber's statement is that you should try something else. Don't expect somebody to come up with a secret method for reducing the amount of effort and don't expect sympathy for the fact that it's hard work.
I believe that it was Michelangelo who made a statement that he was sick and tired of people saying how sculpture and painting was so easy for him, and that he wished that they could all spend a day in his studio so that they could see how hard he worked.
She also doesn't want to supply a shoulder for the correspondents to cry on. She isn't a social worker, and she has enough headaches of her own.
**** *****
I am adding this edit for a discussion of Abel's story rather than start another entry.
If Hennya survives through next week's strip without serious injury, I believe that she will be alive at the end of the day, as will all of the other people currently in the house. If Aniz really wants to kill somebody, now would be the time to go all out.
It is my belief that Amber has one or two plot twists in the works. If I told you what I think one of them will be, you'll claim I'm crazy. (I may be crazy already, but I'm not stupid.) There is also the possibility that Amber will read all of our proposed plot lines, and make sure that the final plot is "none of the above".
Quote from: Aurawyn on August 25, 2007, 10:06:41 AM
Maybe.. abel will save her.. somehow... :mowignore :mowsad
How?
"Teeth! Teeth! He's a biter!" ?
(whimpers) :[ I fear for Hennya....
Quote from: Amber Williams on August 25, 2007, 04:06:06 AM
Quote from: King Of Hearts on August 25, 2007, 03:44:39 AM
Abel?
Because at least we'll be sure he'd live trough it.
You have nooOoooOoOoOooo idea how much I toyed with the idea of trying to find a way to kill off Abel in his own backstory. :B
Silly Amber! You could do what the comics do! Kill EVERYONE... and then have Reed Richards' ultra-mega-godlike-powered son respawn everyone. Kinda like the Supermegatopia heroes. Oh, and the villains come back just because they don't obey silly laws like death! :3
*Charline looks at comic* Heh heh heh... ho ho ho... HAH HA HA HA HA HA!!! :mwaha
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on August 25, 2007, 08:05:05 PM
Quote from: Aurawyn on August 25, 2007, 10:06:41 AM
Maybe.. abel will save her.. somehow... :mowignore :mowsad
How?
"Teeth! Teeth! He's a biter!" ?
I'm sorry, but that made me laugh. XD
I can imagine it now.
Aniz: I am going to kill you, girl, slowly and painfull-- ACK! TEETH!! TEEETH!! HE'S A BITER!!
Yeah....I must admit, other than an outright state of denial, I have yet to see ANY proof to the contrary that the cubi race is exclusively comprised of complete sh**s. Which is odd, considering he's the one in
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_524.php
who gives the line about cubi who help cheer up sick kids. I'll believe it when I see it...until then I have yet to find a valid counterargument against genocide.
I wish Hennya WOULD wind up being the hero of the piece...but considering how we KNOW the story has to end with Abel at the adademy, short of Aniz showing mercy (yeah, right) or somebody more powerful than either of them swooping in for an enforced time out (SLIGHTLY possible) she's going to die for the temerity of trying to defend her friends from a sadistic murderer.
Is it me, or were Amber Panyako/Williams's comics once more cheerful than cheerfully sadistic and siding more with the monsters than the adventureres? meh.
Quote from: chaotik on August 25, 2007, 10:18:22 PM
Yeah....I must admit, other than an outright state of denial, I have yet to see ANY proof to the contrary that the cubi race is exclusively comprised of complete sh**s.
What about Dan?
Quote from: chaotik on August 25, 2007, 10:18:22 PMshe's going to die for the temerity of trying to defend her friends from a sadistic murderer.
...y'know, now that I think about it, if that's how it turns out, that does seem less "tragic" than "depressing".
Quote from: chaotik on August 25, 2007, 10:18:22 PMIs it me, or were Amber Panyako/Williams's comics once more cheerful than cheerfully sadistic and siding more with the monsters than the adventureres? meh.
I don't remember anything about siding with them. They're unnervingly on top of things, with a few too many fans (for my taste, anyway) seeming to be on their side for some reason, but the comic itself generally sides with the non-monstrous heroes, doesn't it?
*Charles erfs* I would side with the heroes but...
*Charline looms overhead* >:3
*Charles whimpers pitifully* But then I'd get tortured even more. :<
Quote from: Alondro on August 25, 2007, 10:34:49 PM*Charles whimpers pitifully* But then I'd get tortured even more. :<
Ayah.
I genuinely wonder how much of that there would be going around if we actually got to
see 'cubi torturing innocents to death rather than just hear them joke about it.
EDIT: Or, heck, just the consequences. Either way.
Is it too late to return wedding gifts?
Also,
Quote from: Amber Williams on August 25, 2007, 04:06:06 AMYou have nooOoooOoOoOooo idea how much I toyed with the idea of trying to find a way to kill off Abel in his own backstory. :B
(http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/3597/timepairodocsec6.jpg)
Quote from: ChaoSynergy on August 26, 2007, 01:48:08 AM
Is it too late to return wedding gifts?
Also,
Quote from: Amber Williams on August 25, 2007, 04:06:06 AMYou have nooOoooOoOoOooo idea how much I toyed with the idea of trying to find a way to kill off Abel in his own backstory. :B
(http://img527.imageshack.us/img527/3597/timepairodocsec6.jpg)
Perfect >:3
or Azlan's demon koala bear will save them with his SQUEEK OFF DOOM
Quote from: chaotik on August 25, 2007, 10:18:22 PM
Yeah....I must admit, other than an outright state of denial, I have yet to see ANY proof to the contrary that the cubi race is exclusively comprised of complete sh**s.
That's a nice thing to call RJ. >:3
QuoteI have yet to find a valid counterargument against genocide.
As far as I'm aware, we've met around six 'Cubi to any degree of depth, or approximately 0.02% of the total 'Cubi population. Would you judge an entire race on that? I wouldn't.
It's not in any way canon but I invite you to check out some of my writings, which can be found in the tower of art. I don't want to put up a direct link - unless asked - because it feels too much like a plug. There is a link to the original 'Chronicles of Jakob Pettersohn' series in my .signature though.
One of my design goals (particularly in 'Future History') was to explore positive uses for soul-stealing. This is not to say that the principal character is strictly a good guy. It's not exactly a black-and-white thing. ("I've seen good men do evil things. I've seen evil men who tried to do good." -- White Wolf, David Gemmell)
I will say that from my experiences of writing it, it's a lot more
fun to write him when he's being evil. The same may apply to Amber as well.
Quote...or somebody more powerful than either of them swooping in for an enforced time out (SLIGHTLY possible)
My money's on Kria for that occurrence.
QuoteIs it me, or were Amber Panyako/Williams's comics once more cheerful than cheerfully sadistic and siding more with the monsters than the adventureres? meh.
You can tell from the cover that Abel's Story is not a happy one.
As for whether the mainline strip is becoming more sadistic... difficult to say. Personally I think you're looking at it with rose-tinted glasses.
In the DvP arc Dan
died, if only for a few moments. Dark Pegasus died a bloody death. Then not many strips later, Merlitz met something that tried to eat his
soul.
Then there's Lorenda and Kria, who have both been pictured several times either immediately before or after a murder.
In the Disasters arc, Dan is accused of murder. Aary tries to kill him and would probably have lopped his head off "like a dandelion" if Merlitz hadn't given her the idea of torturing him to death. Dan discovers he's a soul-eating monster himself. Later he is kidnapped, dragged off to SAIA and is nearly driven insane.
Now we have Albanion branding Jyrras and threatening him with misery and Destania planning 'the end of the dragon race' - which is not necessarily genocide.
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 26, 2007, 04:16:49 AM
Quote from: chaotik on August 25, 2007, 10:18:22 PM
Yeah....I must admit, other than an outright state of denial, I have yet to see ANY proof to the contrary that the cubi race is exclusively comprised of complete sh**s.
That's a nice thing to call RJ. >:3
QuoteI have yet to find a valid counterargument against genocide.
As far as I'm aware, we've met around six 'Cubi to any degree of depth, or approximately 0.02% of the total 'Cubi population. Would you judge an entire race on that? I wouldn't.
It's not in any way canon but I invite you to check out some of my writings, which can be found in the tower of art. I don't want to put up a direct link - unless asked - because it feels too much like a plug. There is a link to the original 'Chronicles of Jakob Pettersohn' series in my .signature though.
One of my design goals (particularly in 'Future History') was to explore positive uses for soul-stealing. This is not to say that the principal character is strictly a good guy. It's not exactly a black-and-white thing. ("I've seen good men do evil things. I've seen evil men who tried to do good." -- White Wolf, David Gemmell)
I will say that from my experiences of writing it, it's a lot more fun to write him when he's being evil. The same may apply to Amber as well.
Quote...or somebody more powerful than either of them swooping in for an enforced time out (SLIGHTLY possible)
My money's on Kria for that occurrence.
QuoteIs it me, or were Amber Panyako/Williams's comics once more cheerful than cheerfully sadistic and siding more with the monsters than the adventureres? meh.
You can tell from the cover that Abel's Story is not a happy one.
As for whether the mainline strip is becoming more sadistic... difficult to say. Personally I think you're looking at it with rose-tinted glasses.
In the DvP arc Dan died, if only for a few moments. Dark Pegasus died a bloody death. Then not many strips later, Merlitz met something that tried to eat his soul.
Then there's Lorenda and Kria, who have both been pictured several times either immediately before or after a murder.
In the Disasters arc, Dan is accused of murder. Aary tries to kill him and would probably have lopped his head off "like a dandelion" if Merlitz hadn't given her the idea of torturing him to death. Dan discovers he's a soul-eating monster himself. Later he is kidnapped, dragged off to SAIA and is nearly driven insane.
Now we have Albanion branding Jyrras and threatening him with misery and Destania planning 'the end of the dragon race' - which is not necessarily genocide.
All I want to them know is this...Some cubi out there..Some choose to be sinister and some others..Well they make their own path
Seriously. Worst - Day - Ever. Anyone ever complains about a phonecall from an annoying co-worker needs a long hard talk with Abel.
Quote from: 127.0.0.2 on August 25, 2007, 05:17:02 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 25, 2007, 08:23:04 AM
Which one? Bo Hansson's album from 1970? Stephen Oliver's theme music from 1980? :P
Argh! You got me! No, in this case I simply meant the chorals of the soundtrack from Peter Jackson's interpretation. (The Weathertop scene of the first part, to be exact). But I can say to my defense that I read the books long before the real-action movies came out at least, and am thus none of the "nice fantasy flick" people.
What about Leonard Nimoy's 1968 classic "The Ballad of Bilbo Baggins"? How could you forget that? Or not reference his lip-synced TV version (now on YouTube!). No true LOTR fan should be without it.
(http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/set/1931/sides-1.jpg)
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 26, 2007, 04:16:49 AMDan discovers he's a soul-eating monster himself.
DahDahDahdahdah. :V
Dan is
not a soul-eating monster. He has the potential to be one, and doubtless there are 'cubi out there who would like him to think he has no choice, but I've seen no reason so far for him to actually go down that path.
Quote from: Caswin on August 26, 2007, 09:19:56 AM
Dan is not a soul-eating monster. He has the potential to be one, and doubtless there are 'cubi out there who would like him to think he has no choice, but I've seen no reason so far for him to actually go down that path.
Naturally. I don't really see Abel doing that either, but that's how Dan's going to view himself.
In actual fact it seems to be the case that soul-stealing is something that is taught, so although 'Cubi have a bad rep for doing it, Demons and Angels probably can too (what's Lorenda's surname?). But this is an aside. I was really trying to point out that the main strip has had dark moments before. But I'm sure you knew that :P
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 26, 2007, 09:31:23 AM
Quote from: Caswin on August 26, 2007, 09:19:56 AM
Dan is not a soul-eating monster. He has the potential to be one, and doubtless there are 'cubi out there who would like him to think he has no choice, but I've seen no reason so far for him to actually go down that path.
Naturally. I don't really see Abel doing that either, but that's how Dan's going to view himself.
In actual fact it seems to be the case that soul-stealing is something that is taught, so although 'Cubi have a bad rep for doing it, Demons and Angels probably can too (what's Lorenda's surname?). But this is an aside. I was really trying to point out that the main strip has had dark moments before. But I'm sure you knew that :P
And I know very well some of them choose to steal souls to survive
Quote from: Zedd on August 26, 2007, 02:11:46 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 26, 2007, 09:31:23 AM
Quote from: Caswin on August 26, 2007, 09:19:56 AM
Dan is not a soul-eating monster. He has the potential to be one, and doubtless there are 'cubi out there who would like him to think he has no choice, but I've seen no reason so far for him to actually go down that path.
Naturally. I don't really see Abel doing that either, but that's how Dan's going to view himself.
In actual fact it seems to be the case that soul-stealing is something that is taught, so although 'Cubi have a bad rep for doing it, Demons and Angels probably can too (what's Lorenda's surname?). But this is an aside. I was really trying to point out that the main strip has had dark moments before. But I'm sure you knew that :P
And I know very well some of them choose to steal souls to survive
Even though they can survive for centuries if not millenia (it's one of those) on harmless emotion-feeding - no torture, no death.
Quote from: Caswin on August 26, 2007, 02:13:11 PM
Even though they can survive for centuries if not millenia (it's one of those) on harmless emotion-feeding - no torture, no death.
The way I understand it, completely passive emotions only get you so far. Amber seemed to be saying in the 'Comic time and conservation of energy' thread that your energy requirements increase with age, which does make sense. If so, there's going to come a time when passive feeding doesn't cut it anymore and you have to look at more aggressive techniques.
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 26, 2007, 02:31:27 PM
Quote from: Caswin on August 26, 2007, 02:13:11 PM
Even though they can survive for centuries if not millenia (it's one of those) on harmless emotion-feeding - no torture, no death.
The way I understand it, completely passive emotions only get you so far. Amber seemed to be saying in the 'Comic time and conservation of energy' thread that your energy requirements increase with age, which does make sense. If so, there's going to come a time when passive feeding doesn't cut it anymore and you have to look at more aggressive techniques.
First... yeah, it's called "old age". And then you die. It happens.
Second, a 'cubus looking to specifically incite strong emotions still shouldn't have to resort to killing, torture, or anything of the sort; there are plenty of ways to get someone on an emotional high without hurting them. The only reason for
that, if I'm understanding Amber right, is if the 'cubus in question had a particular thing for pain or terror, which is most comparable to it being their favorite food. Not exactly a pressing issue.
Quote from: Caswin on August 26, 2007, 02:39:50 PM
First... yeah, it's called "old age". And then you die. It happens.
Urrr... arguably not. Let me rephrase.
Retaining your youth requires an increasing amount of energy as you age, to the point at which you have to look at something other than passive absorption.
"Many a Cubi have spent their entire existence soul-stealing free and have lived perfectly fine and happy lives. They just don't live as long or as powerful lives."
http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=746.msg18019#msg18019
Since you seem to have misunderstood what I meant, I'll clarify that too. 'More aggressive techniques' doesn't necessarily mean soul-stealing. Deliberately inducing emotions would probably be the next step since it's a bit less haphazard. There's also dream-energy although that hasn't really been covered.
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 26, 2007, 03:09:41 PMSince you seem to have misunderstood, I'll clarify that too. 'More aggressive techniques' doesn't necessarily mean soul-stealing.
I didn't say it did. I just said it doesn't necessitate hurting anybody, by yanking their souls out of their bodies or otherwise.
Quote from: Caswin on August 26, 2007, 03:16:29 PM
I didn't say it did. I just said it doesn't necessitate hurting anybody, by yanking their souls out of them or otherwise.
Ah, right.
Perhaps it's because I'm starting to get on in years myself, but this topic is one I've put a lot of thought into. Indeed, the underlying theme in one of my stories is how to remain young without sacrificing other lives...
This is what I think right here, Soul stealing is mainly could be a last resort type of thing. Magic can come easy if well learned how to use it. However some are just willed with the technique with vigurious training and life long labors of work to know all this major knowlage. I am hope I am right about this if not...Clear me up if you can.
My understanding was always that 3000 years is the natural Cubi lifespan, in the same way that 75-100 years is the natural Being lifespan. They eat emotions just the same way that Beings eat Livestock, and that's how they live. Some Cubi prefer the flavors of pain and terror to joy and wonder, and those emotions are more filling to them, so naturally, they want to eat what they like. Well, Cubi are Creatures, and as we've already seen, most Creatures think nothing of inflicting death and bloody dismemberment on Beings for any number of reasons, be it hunger, wrath, marital infidelity, or just out for a good time.(kinda like our real-world cow-tipping)
But of course, Cubi, being Creatures, are consumed with an overwhelming desire to extend their lifespan beyond the natural 3000 or so years, and you can't really do that just by eating emotions, just like you can't extend your lifespan past 100 years just by eating more hamburgers. In this case, they turn to stealing souls and consuming those, somewhat like an Elixer of Youth/Life. They don't need it to live, they do need it to live past 3000, and as Creatures, they think little of taking one of those souls they just freed in the previous paragraph and sucking it down to give them a few bonus years, as well.
Well said, Raist
Quote from: Raist on August 26, 2007, 03:35:53 PMSome Cubi prefer the flavors of pain and terror to joy and wonder, and those emotions are more filling to them, so naturally, they want to eat what they like.
Ah, there's the issue (though I've little doubt you see it, too). They
want to. Now, admittedly, killing to save your own life, while open to debate, is one thing (see vampires - in, on a bad day, all their self-righteous, "I'm a
special vampire who doesn't burn up in the sun" glory - 'cubi are kind of the new vampires, heh). But you're not going to catch me torturing any cows, sentient or not.
Quote from: Raist on August 26, 2007, 03:35:53 PMas Creatures, they think little of taking one of those souls they just freed
Okay, that article cannot come soon...
*Looks*
Why is there no "Creature" space in Demonology 101? And as long as I'm on the topic, why is it called "Demonology", anyway? Has Amber explained this?
Quote from: chaotik on August 25, 2007, 10:18:22 PM
who gives the line about cubi who help cheer up sick kids. I'll believe it when I see it...until then I have yet to find a valid counterargument against genocide.
The news doesn't cover the hundreds of Muslims who are rebuilding (or trying to) the middle east, it tells you about the few extreme Muslim terrorists blowing s### up. I believe the same principal applies.
(IE: 'cubi causing mayhem is much more interesting than 'cubi entertaining at children's parties. Hence, you see the one and not the other. Cubi entertaining also does not advance the plot, though it would probably make a good one-off gag to have a 'cubi that feeds off terror dressing as a clown at the circus to prey on people with Coulrophobia (http://www.phobialist.com/#C-).)
Quote from: Reese Tora on August 26, 2007, 04:43:58 PM
(IE: 'cubi causing mayhem is much more interesting than 'cubi entertaining at children's parties.
Heh. I'd actually say it's the other way around by now.
I'm unofficially calling that a wallpaper idea.
Now for my next trick...A balloon sword!
Quote from: Reese Tora on August 26, 2007, 04:43:58 PM
Quote from: chaotik on August 25, 2007, 10:18:22 PM
who gives the line about cubi who help cheer up sick kids. I'll believe it when I see it...until then I have yet to find a valid counterargument against genocide.
The news doesn't cover the hundreds of Muslims who are rebuilding (or trying to) the middle east, it tells you about the few extreme Muslim terrorists blowing s### up. I believe the same principal applies.
(IE: 'cubi causing mayhem is much more interesting than 'cubi entertaining at children's parties. Hence, you see the one and not the other. Cubi entertaining also does not advance the plot, though it would probably make a good one-off gag to have a 'cubi that feeds off terror dressing as a clown at the circus to prey on people with Coulrophobia (http://www.phobialist.com/#C-).)
And while we're at it, here's another example (http://freefall.purrsia.com/ff1400/fv01343.htm)
:yeahthat more or less. Not all cubi are evil, soul-stealing monsters. As Abel said, though, the soul-stealing monsters are the type more likely to be written about. Nobody writes a fiction story about nothing happening, that violates the very core premise of what a "story" is. It's not a story if nothing happens, it's just a record, or a journal, or meeting minutes, and nobody would watch it anyway, because it's just not interesting.
Caswin, the answer to your question lies in one of the "Questions from the Readers" comics, wherein Amber explained that basically, if it's not a Being(akin to humans in our world), it's a Creature.(or Livestock)
...Phoenixes, Griffons, Mers, Insectus, Undead, Mythos, Cubi, Demons, Angels, Fae, Dragons, Weres, Mows, DeathBringer AKA 'Deebs', Humans...
are all various Creature races.
maybe not Humans.
Quote from: Raist on August 26, 2007, 06:04:29 PMNot all cubi are evil, soul-stealing monsters.
Not the issue here, I didn't think, but as long as you've brought it up...
Quote from: Raist on August 26, 2007, 06:04:29 PMAs Abel said, though, the soul-stealing monsters are the type more likely to be written about. Nobody writes a fiction story about nothing happening, that violates the very core premise of what a "story" is. It's not a story if nothing happens, it's just a record, or a journal, or meeting minutes, and nobody would watch it anyway, because it's just not interesting.
Ah, but one thing to watch out for there - indeed, something I think chaotik was getting at - is that most stories, while certainly not without conflict, don't focus solely on the havoc-wreaking villains. Are there no 'cubi adventurers? Heroes? Noteworthy wacky supporting characters not promoting pain and terror? From what we've seen (well, besides Dan), you wouldn't think so.
Quote from: Raist on August 26, 2007, 06:04:29 PMCaswin, the answer to your question lies in one of the "Questions from the Readers" comics, wherein Amber explained that basically, if it's not a Being(akin to humans in our world), it's a Creature.(or Livestock)
That bit always confused me. What qualifies as a Being in the first place? How can you tell? Is it just by virtue of
not being anything else?
I believe the middle panel of this comic (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_252.php) sums up almost everything there is to say about large groups of people.
It is the loud and obvious people that that make the first impression on people.
Quote from: Caswin on August 26, 2007, 06:23:48 PM
Quote from: Raist on August 26, 2007, 06:04:29 PMCaswin, the answer to your question lies in one of the "Questions from the Readers" comics, wherein Amber explained that basically, if it's not a Being(akin to humans in our world), it's a Creature.(or Livestock)
That bit always confused me. What qualifies as a Being in the first place? How can you tell? Is it just by virtue of not being anything else?
Beings in Furrae are the equivalent of Humans in any fantasy setting, in that they have no special attributes or abilities, and account for 50-freaking-percent of the world's population.
Quote from: Caswin on August 26, 2007, 06:23:48 PM
Are there no 'cubi adventurers? Heroes? Noteworthy wacky supporting characters not promoting pain and terror? From what we've seen (well, besides Dan), you wouldn't think so.
Abel, 602.2: "Do you honestly know how many adventurers-turned-'Cubi have come to SAIA thinking they could just grab a sword and 'show 'em who's boss'? It's almost laughable."
So there are a number of adventurers who are born into Being society and are later identified as 'Cubi and sent to SAIA. Whether they are still adventurers when they leave SAIA is another matter, of course.
It's not impossible that someone like Dan could pass through the Academy in a relatively short space of time and come out as a 'Cubi adventurer. Maybe defend a town from rogue Creatures the way Angels sometimes do.
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 26, 2007, 06:53:46 PMIt's not impossible that someone like Dan could pass through the Academy in a relatively short space of time and come out as a 'Cubi adventurer. Maybe defend a town from rogue Creatures the way Angels sometimes do.
I don't even see the need for the "not impossible" tag. What would prevent them from doing whatever they were doing?
Quote from: Caswin on August 26, 2007, 06:58:09 PM
I don't even see the need for the "not impossible" tag. What would prevent them from doing whatever they were doing?
The presence of an adventurer-slaying department in SAIA would indicate that this is not entirely considered desirable :P
Mind you, the ASD is likely to be focusing on adventurers who target 'Cubi. They might not care if our hypothetical student comes out targetting other Creatures.
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 26, 2007, 07:01:47 PM
Quote from: Caswin on August 26, 2007, 06:58:09 PM
I don't even see the need for the "not impossible" tag. What would prevent them from doing whatever they were doing?
The presence of an adventurer-slaying department in SAIA would indicate that this is not entirely considered desirable :P
The presence of a "Pain and Terror" class would, by the same token, indicate that its topic
is desirable, but I think we've established that certain 'cubi would beg to differ. (The ones that don't, of course, are the very reason they're usually deemed a threat in the first place.)
:deadhorse haven't I seen that argument point before? I could swear we're going around in circles!
Quote from: Raist on August 26, 2007, 07:14:32 PM
:deadhorse haven't I seen that argument point before? I could swear we're going around in circles!
I don't remember a discussion of 'Cubi adventurers. Doesn't mean there hasn't been one, though.
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 26, 2007, 07:18:31 PM
Quote from: Raist on August 26, 2007, 07:14:32 PM
:deadhorse haven't I seen that argument point before? I could swear we're going around in circles!
I don't remember a discussion of 'Cubi adventurers. Doesn't mean there hasn't been one, though.
He meat we're back where you guys started on
this discussion, I think.
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 26, 2007, 06:53:46 PM
Abel, 602.2: "Do you honestly know how many adventurers-turned-'Cubi have come to SAIA thinking they could just grab a sword and 'show 'em who's boss'? It's almost laughable."
So there are a number of adventurers who are born into Being society and are later identified as 'Cubi and sent to SAIA. Whether they are still adventurers when they leave SAIA is another matter, of course.
It's not impossible that someone like Dan could pass through the Academy in a relatively short space of time and come out as a 'Cubi adventurer. Maybe defend a town from rogue Creatures the way Angels sometimes do.
I just looked at the strip you were referring to (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_602.php) and found it very interesting. Presumably a cubi who wanted to remain an adventurer would disguise himself so that people wouldn't know he's a cubi. Wouldn't this fit what Aniz did. It also implies that trying to provoke a cubi into an attack would be a normal part of cubi training. Wouldn't this match what Aniz is trying to do to Abel here. Perhaps his whole monologue was an attempt to get Abel to attack (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_94.php).
Quote from: Naldru on August 26, 2007, 07:47:29 PM
I just looked at the strip you were referring to (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_602.php) and found it very interesting. Presumably a cubi who wanted to remain an adventurer would disguise himself so that people wouldn't know he's a cubi. Wouldn't this fit what Aniz did. It also implies that trying to provoke a cubi into an attack would be a normal part of cubi training. Wouldn't this match what Aniz is trying to do to Abel here. Perhaps his whole monologue was an attempt to get Abel to attack (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_94.php).
No, Aniz is an evil sadistic bastard that will get his one day, as the wheel of time grinds slow but fine.
Quote from: AndersW on August 26, 2007, 10:52:58 PM
Quote from: Naldru on August 26, 2007, 07:47:29 PM
I just looked at the strip you were referring to (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_602.php) and found it very interesting. Presumably a cubi who wanted to remain an adventurer would disguise himself so that people wouldn't know he's a cubi. Wouldn't this fit what Aniz did. It also implies that trying to provoke a cubi into an attack would be a normal part of cubi training. Wouldn't this match what Aniz is trying to do to Abel here. Perhaps his whole monologue was an attempt to get Abel to attack (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_94.php).
No, Aniz is an evil sadistic bastard that will get his one day, as the wheel of time grinds slow but fine.
While I highly doubt he's an adventurer... that's eerily plausible. (Indeed, the things he's done are pretty close to a few of the more extreme "provoke the stupid adventurer into attacking us" tricks I've come up with.)
The past episodes clearly seemed to show that Aniz was acting as an adventurer, saving towns from various beasts and creatures. This could have been simply maintaining cover, a hoax, or adventuring is actually his chosen profession.
Strip 14 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_14.php)
Strip 17 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_17.php)
Quote from: Raist on August 26, 2007, 06:04:29 PMNobody writes a fiction story about nothing happening, that violates the very core premise of what a "story" is.
I dunno. I've read a few stories where nothing happened. Good stories, too.
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 26, 2007, 07:01:47 PMThe presence of an adventurer-slaying department in SAIA would indicate that this is not entirely considered desirable :P
I don't think that Ink meant that it was a formal department of the academy, kinda like saying someone's a natural in the con man department. Doesn't mean that there isn't one.
QuoteESTRAGON: Nothing to be done.
VLADIMIR: I'm beginning to come round to that opinion.
Personally I think the shades of grey argument is used WAY too much. I think some things ARE Black and White in the world...and just because living in the world meand you're probably going to get some dirt in you, it doesn't give you free reign to do what you want as long as you "maintain SOME(percieved) good traits." We have a lot of people like that out here in the World...we call them sociopaths. Other than Abel, just about every cubi I've read about in canon or out fits into that catagory quite nicely.
As for why I'm kveching about all this in the first place....yes, I realize some people(in uneasingly incresing numbers) like to write about the bad guys, making them "fun" or "tragic" but otherwise beating up on the little guy. I can't remember the last time though, using DMFA as a reference, one of these manipulative, sadistic characters actually got slapped down for doing so. there's just a punchline, then it's on to the next scenario. I'd like to see Dan hand someone thier ass on a platter for a change, instead of being handled like a puppet by whatever near-deity has decided to make his life hell this week.. I'd like Jyrras to stand up and show the "you're all my playthings but I'm funny so it's ok" Fay that f***ing around with people will eventually have serious negative consequenses. and YES, that goes for Mab too.(although as omnipotent characters go, she IS one of the better ones) If the creature races want to live by the "I can do what I want because you can't stop me" philosophy, FINE. I say they're long overdue for a large-scale recipocation of that philosophy.
*sigh* I miss my sunshine and cookies.
Quote from: Caswin on August 26, 2007, 06:23:48 PM
That bit always confused me. What qualifies as a Being in the first place? How can you tell? Is it just by virtue of not being anything else?
*Charline grins* Beings have a chewy nougat center. >:3 *nom nom nom*
Chaotik?
Thank you. Have a cookie. :mowcookie
:mowcookie *mnch munch*
thank you ^_^
Quote from: Alondro on August 27, 2007, 11:03:06 AM
*Charline grins* Beings have a chewy nougat center. >:3 *nom nom nom*
Tastes like plantains.
Two things: first, as far as tentacle heads being a clan trait... I'm not sure it requires a direct link to the clan leader (ie, neccesitating the clan leader, well, existing...) However, there's definately a cannon source indicating a link.
From Dan's cast page: http://www.missmab.com/Cast/dan.php
"Quirks/Fun Facts: Dan's new wing tentacles have draconic heads. While unknown to Dan, this is actually a clan trait and if Dan had paid any attention, he would discover that he is from a rather high and powerful clan."
Also, I think one of the strips may have mentioned that tentacle head shapes, like clan markings, are a definate way to determine what clan a cubi's from... but I may be misremembering.
As far as judging cubi, well... the fact seems to be that cubi society condones the whole soul sucking/torturing/etc thing.
It's not the situation like "some happen to do these evil things, and it's unnaceptable", it's "it's a perfectly acceptable thing, but it's also acceptable not to do it."
As has been pointed out, once the society supports things the courses in torture as a perfectly reasonable thing that many may want to study, well, it's reasonable to judge the society (not necessarally the species, but the society certainly) in a negative way.
I will say that yes and no about tentacle heads being a clan-leader thing.
Cause really...any skilled cubi who can change their shape can likely use a bit of extra energy into bluffing some sort of headlike appendages. However, clans that have a leader that still is alive and kicking will have this as a natural trait...meaning they don't need to train or put any energy into making them.
The average Cubi tend to have regular tentacles, some with hands. Considering how there aren't a whole lot of clan-leaders still out and about, the head tentacles are more rare than expected.
Which is also why it is personally amusing to see so many fan-cubi characters sporting tentacle heads. But I always chalk that up to it looks cooler and peeps like to be special.
Quote from: Amber Williams on August 30, 2007, 04:43:09 AM
I will say that yes and no about tentacle heads being a clan-leader thing.
Cause really...any skilled cubi who can change their shape can likely use a bit of extra energy into bluffing some sort of headlike appendages. However, clans that have a leader that still is alive and kicking will have this as a natural trait...meaning they don't need to train or put any energy into making them.
The average Cubi tend to have regular tentacles, some with hands. Considering how there aren't a whole lot of clan-leaders still out and about, the head tentacles are more rare than expected.
Which is also why it is personally amusing to see so many fan-cubi characters sporting tentacle heads. But I always chalk that up to it looks cooler and peeps like to be special.
yep, the cooler a character/race is, the more fanmade mary/gary-sues are born. Worth a giggle all the way.
Quote from: Amber Williams on August 30, 2007, 04:43:09 AM
Which is also why it is personally amusing to see so many fan-cubi characters sporting tentacle heads. But I always chalk that up to it looks cooler and peeps like to be special.
This is intended to be a sort of 'comparing notes' thing (he says trying desperately not to make it sound like some kind of 'Yeah, I called it!' post)
But yeah, that's interesting. When I began to look seriously at designing a fan-clan I wasn't sure which way it would swing so I took the view that heads were unusual and therefore the de-facto head of the clan (not a tri-wing, I hasten to add, but an insane genius) decided they looked cool and devised a method of faking them across his living descendants.
I don't know whether the heads on Cyra Clan can actually see - IIRC llearch proposed some kind of sixth sense - but decided that whichever way it went in canon, Daryil should be able to make it work for his .
In the case of Cyra's clan (aka: Dans) head tentacles, they do in fact provide extra sight and extra awareness as if they were actual heads. One of the reasons Dan is so easily thrown off by them is that at some points suddenly having a whole new sensory can set one off balance. It'd probably be like any of us spontaneously developing heat-vision ontop our regular vision.
But yeah. It's not impossible for non-clan leader clans (and note when I say clan leader...I am implying the tri-wingers) to do the head-tentacles...its just a lot more energy consuming since they have to manually supply the energy to work them. And unlike simply making your colours change, adding limbs that can actually do more than harden and grapple but can actually see/taste/smell/react individually/etc is actually very taxing.
Basically put: The only time you'd normally see head-tentacles is on a Cubi who's clan founder is still alive and kicking(and thus supplying to their clanlings the energy needed to have such a feat naturally), or a very well-trained and pretty powerful Cubi who managed to learn it. However in the latter, the effects are temporary and their wings will almost always revert to their default tendril-style.
Either way...head tentacles tend to equal trouble. As any Cubi who has the power to wield them...be it through clan founder or just pure training...is not really a Cubi most want to tangle with.
:tmyk
Thanks for the info Amber..Now I dont feel like such a blockhead
Don't worry Zedd. I'll get that feeling back for you soon enough. :3
Quote from: Amber Williams on August 30, 2007, 05:42:36 AM
In the case of Cyra's clan (aka: Dans) head tentacles, they do in fact provide extra sight and extra awareness as if they were actual heads. One of the reasons Dan is so easily thrown off by them is that at some points suddenly having a whole new sensory can set one off balance. It'd probably be like any of us spontaneously developing heat-vision ontop our regular vision.
It'd be like having a whole heap of little DV cameras plugged into your brain, from what i can gather, Dan's used to just seeing from his own two eyeballs, having a fair few extra pairs would through some folks off, it's a wonder he hasn't puked because of the sheer disorientation that it'd cause.. >:3 like adding a few extra eyestalks to a snail, if you'd pardon the analogy.
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But yeah. It's not impossible for non-clan leader clans (and note when I say clan leader...I am implying the tri-wingers) to do the head-tentacles...its just a lot more energy consuming since they have to manually supply the energy to work them. And unlike simply making your colours change, adding limbs that can actually do more than harden and grapple but can actually see/taste/smell/react individually/etc is actually very taxing.
that would go without saying.
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Basically put: The only time you'd normally see head-tentacles is on a Cubi who's clan founder is still alive and kicking(and thus supplying to their clanlings the energy needed to have such a feat naturally), or a very well-trained and pretty powerful Cubi who managed to learn it. However in the latter, the effects are temporary and their wings will almost always revert to their default tendril-style.
Either way...head tentacles tend to equal trouble. As any Cubi who has the power to wield them...be it through clan founder or just pure training...is not really a Cubi most want to tangle with.
:tmyk
That would explain the overall respect/fear folks have for Fa'Lina.
i do love this kind of insight, it's fun!
Quote from: Amber Williams on August 30, 2007, 05:47:51 AM
Don't worry Zedd. I'll get that feeling back for you soon enough. :3
Makes me wonder. Do mind that some clains with have a dark secret?
Quote from: Amber Williams on August 30, 2007, 05:42:36 AM
In the case of Cyra's clan (aka: Dans) head tentacles, they do in fact provide extra sight and extra awareness as if they were actual heads. One of the reasons Dan is so easily thrown off by them is that at some points suddenly having a whole new sensory can set one off balance. It'd probably be like any of us spontaneously developing heat-vision ontop our regular vision.
Eyes in the back of your head might be a better analogy, but yes. It would take a while to adjust to. [Nnk.. Turnsky seems to have said it already]
And as Zedd said, thanks for the info. I'll pass on the blockhead thing if you don't mind though >:3
One of the things I'm vaguely curious about is how this came to be. Did Cyra just have a brainwave one day and think "Like... yeah! Dragon heads on the tentacles! That'll be so cool, man!"
And if they were retrofitted to existing members, as opposed to only appearing in new births, I can imagine the entire clan freaking out like Dan.
*deleted* *obsolete*
edit again:
it seems part wasn't obsolete:
What *is* involved with making a new clan? - I always figured it was like one 'cubi gets together with a few friends(and/or family), perhaps weave a few spells, and declare themselves a clan, however, from what you are saying, it seems to be much much harder than that.
So, what does it take? A *lot* of power? Some special genetic trait? I am curious...
-RobbieThe1st
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 30, 2007, 05:59:26 AM
Quote from: Amber Williams on August 30, 2007, 05:42:36 AM
In the case of Cyra's clan (aka: Dans) head tentacles, they do in fact provide extra sight and extra awareness as if they were actual heads. One of the reasons Dan is so easily thrown off by them is that at some points suddenly having a whole new sensory can set one off balance. It'd probably be like any of us spontaneously developing heat-vision ontop our regular vision.
Eyes in the back of your head might be a better analogy, but yes. It would take a while to adjust to. [Nnk.. Turnsky seems to have said it already]
And as Zedd said, thanks for the info. I'll pass on the blockhead thing if you don't mind though >:3
One of the things I'm vaguely curious about is how this came to be. Did Cyra just have a brainwave one day and think "Like... yeah! Dragon heads on the tentacles! That'll be so cool, man!"
And if they were retrofitted to existing members, as opposed to only appearing in new births, I can imagine the entire clan freaking out like Dan.
You pass on the blockhead thing or you suffer the wrath of black mombas near the workdesk ;)
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 30, 2007, 05:59:26 AM
One of the things I'm vaguely curious about is how this came to be. Did Cyra just have a brainwave one day and think "Yeah! Dragon heads on the tentacles! That'll be cool!"
And if they were retrofitted to existing members, as opposed to only appearing in new births, I can imagine the entire clan freaking out like Dan.
Your question is kind of confusing. The clan-leaders don't really think anything...the tentacle wings are more of a subconcious side-effect than the main boon of having a clan-founder. And generally, most Cubi who are about to have a clan-founder are generally prepared for the upcoming event. It's not like the third wings pop out some random Tuesday afternoon while eating breakfast and suddenly there is a new clan.
Keep in mind also that Dan knows about diddly and squat about Cubi upbringing. Had he been raised in a similar Cubi-centric upbringing like Aaryanna, he likely would know full well what to expect and prepare for it.
Quote from: Zedd on August 30, 2007, 05:54:10 AM
Makes me wonder. Do mind that some clains with have a dark secret?
Do what mind? Your wording is also confusing me...or maybe I'm just tired.
Sugah. You're dealing with Cubi. Odds are 80% of them have dark secrets if not more.
Quote from: Turnsky on August 30, 2007, 05:50:16 AM
That would explain the overall respect/fear folks have for Fa'Lina.
In terms of powerhouses in DMFA, Fa'Lina is definately one of the biggun's.
Quote from: RobbieThe1st on August 30, 2007, 06:15:47 AM
What *is* involved with making a new clan? - I always figured it was like one 'cubi gets together with a few friends(and/or family), perhaps weave a few spells, and declare themselves a clan, however, from what you are saying, it seems to be much much harder than that.
So, what does it take? A *lot* of power? Some special genetic trait? I am curious...
I'm sorry. That would be telling...
Quote from: Amber Williams on August 30, 2007, 06:18:30 AM
Your question is kind of confusing. The clan-leaders don't really think anything...the tentacle wings are more of a subconcious side-effect than the main boon of having a clan-founder. And generally, most Cubi who are about to have a clan-founder are generally prepared for the upcoming event. It's not like the third wings pop out some random Tuesday afternoon while eating breakfast and suddenly there is a new clan.
Okay, to clarify, I was thinking about the tentacle-heads in particular. Two assumptions:
(1) I'm assuming that they appeared after Cyra's ascension to tri-wing status - in other words, assuming that Cyra didn't have the heads as soon as his/her tentacles appeared at 25 or whatever
(2) I'm also assuming that they don't appear as part of the tri-wing 'upgrade' process
If both these assumptions are true, there must have come a point where Cyra decided to add them. I'm curious about what prompted them to come up with the idea.
**EDIT**
I guess I'm also assuming that you telling us won't compromise future plotlines. Obviously you don't have to reply if it would :P
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 30, 2007, 06:28:16 AM
(1) I'm assuming that they appeared after Cyra's ascension to tri-wing status - in other words, assuming that Cyra didn't have the heads as soon as his/her tentacles appeared at 25 or whatever
Correct...if you change the "after" to "during"
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(2) I'm also assuming that they don't appear as part of the tri-wing 'upgrade' process
Incorrect
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I guess I'm also assuming that you telling us won't compromise future plotlines. Obviously you don't have to reply if it would :P
The only thing I'm compromising is the possibility of putting my foot in my mouth if months/years later I alter something to make it mesh better. :B
QuoteQuote from: Amber Williams on August 30, 2007, 06:36:14 AM
(2) I'm also assuming that they don't appear as part of the tri-wing 'upgrade' process
Incorrect
Oho. Now that gives me some interesting ideas to play with >:3
QuoteThe only thing I'm compromising is the possibility of putting my foot in my mouth if months/years later I alter something to make it mesh better. :B
I dunno... with a world this flexible there's nearly always a way to make it fit :P
Thanks for the info, by the way...
Time to update the Wiki! :B
Quote from: Amber Williams on August 30, 2007, 06:36:14 AM
The only thing I'm compromising is the possibility of putting my foot in my mouth if months/years later I alter something to make it mesh better. :B
no offense intended, but I think your readers are used to canon rules changing every so often by now. I seem to recall Kria used to be about 5 years younger than she is, now.(and am glad I never brought it up until the change was made)
At this point, it's the art and story we're interested in. If you have to suddenly declare that there's a race that can kill Fae without the involved Fae's consent, then I don't think it'll really bother anybody, as long as it's good for the story.
I'm glad that's all cleared up, mostly... and it's nice to see it hasn't changed much since I grilled it out of you before.
Quote from: Amber Williams on August 30, 2007, 06:18:30 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on August 30, 2007, 05:50:16 AM
That would explain the overall respect/fear folks have for Fa'Lina.
In terms of powerhouses in DMFA, Fa'Lina is definately one of the biggun's.
I still want to know who the other really powerful cubi are... because I wanna use my Marty Sue character to beat them all up... yeah...
Quote from: Amber Williams on August 30, 2007, 06:18:30 AM
Quote from: RobbieThe1st on August 30, 2007, 06:15:47 AM
What *is* involved with making a new clan? - I always figured it was like one 'cubi gets together with a few friends(and/or family), perhaps weave a few spells, and declare themselves a clan, however, from what you are saying, it seems to be much much harder than that.
So, what does it take? A *lot* of power? Some special genetic trait? I am curious...
I'm sorry. That would be telling...
Robbie, try liquor, I hear it works in getting info out of her... I won't know, the one time I was there, I got ditched...
Quote from: Azlan on August 30, 2007, 12:17:58 PM
I'm glad that's all cleared up, mostly... and it's nice to see it hasn't changed much since I grilled it out of you before.
so, what does grilled wiku worm taste like? :P
Quote from: Turnsky on August 30, 2007, 12:51:04 PM
Quote from: Azlan on August 30, 2007, 12:17:58 PM
I'm glad that's all cleared up, mostly... and it's nice to see it hasn't changed much since I grilled it out of you before.
so, what does grilled wiku worm taste like? :P
Thae'Lith wing feathers... yum.
Quote from: Azlan on August 30, 2007, 12:54:34 PM
Quote from: Turnsky on August 30, 2007, 12:51:04 PM
Quote from: Azlan on August 30, 2007, 12:17:58 PM
I'm glad that's all cleared up, mostly... and it's nice to see it hasn't changed much since I grilled it out of you before.
so, what does grilled wiku worm taste like? :P
Thae'Lith wing feathers... yum.
so kinda like bacon-wrapped chicken, then?.. cool.
Quote from: Amber Williams on August 30, 2007, 06:18:30 AM
Quote from: RobbieThe1st on August 30, 2007, 06:15:47 AM
What *is* involved with making a new clan? - I always figured it was like one 'cubi gets together with a few friends(and/or family), perhaps weave a few spells, and declare themselves a clan, however, from what you are saying, it seems to be much much harder than that.
So, what does it take? A *lot* of power? Some special genetic trait? I am curious...
I'm sorry. That would be telling...
From this we learn that either something about how some of the clans formed in the past will become significant in a non trivial way in the comic, or that we will see the formation of a new clan at some point. :)
Unless that idea gets clanceled. *ducks* (sorry, couldn't resist) :D
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 30, 2007, 05:04:16 AM
I don't know whether the heads on Cyra Clan can actually see - IIRC llearch proposed some kind of sixth sense - but decided that whichever way it went in canon, Daryil should be able to make it work for his .
Ah... did I?
Hmm. I was probably thinking that, well, if they've got eyes, then they can see. Which means you get all sorts of other effects, like more-than-stereoscopic vision, which leads back to Dan in the Janus Bond thread being a good shot, etc etc...
However, the most likely point i would have been discussing or thinking about would be Sid's story, with the blind Cubi. In -that- case, being able to sense via taste of the tentacle heads, as well as smell of his own head, makes sense. Which works out to -sort of- like a sixth sense, in a way, I guess. OTOH, he already -has- the equivalent of a sixth sense, what with the usual blind person's high reliance on his other senses, so it's a bit of a wash...
*Charline hmms* Seems that there's some info about clan founders that has some important bearing on the future! Aaaaand, since I'm a good cubi I won't tell all the things I obviously know because I'm a cubi and therefore know everything about everything! :giggle
*me notifies charline of the fact that she's merely a character played by a regular human, and that whatever she may know, she can never tell, because her player doesn't :3*
Quote from: Alondro on September 05, 2007, 08:51:06 PM
*Charline hmms* Seems that there's some info about clan founders that has some important bearing on the future! Aaaaand, since I'm a good cubi I won't tell all the things I obviously know because I'm a cubi and therefore know everything about everything! :giggle
Not everything! In name of Lady Olay your lying! I can tell..Your wiskers twich when you lie!