Abel is popular among the Cubi already, isn't he? It must be hard to be wanted by everyone...
So it would seem. Also, Bizarro updates indeed!
His expression in the last panel is priceless. :boogie
Awww, how sweet! c:
Only you
Can do make all this change in me,
For it's true
You are my destiny.
When you hold my hand, I understand
The magic that you do,
Huh. A first in 25 years? Maybe Aniz *has* been sleeping around. The obvious solution would be that Aniz wants Abel to go to SAIA, but that seems a little too obvious. And, after all, SAIA would have taken Abel back when he was still a little kid. Heck, that's when they took Aary.
Back to my theory of someone wanting to raise someone in opposition to SAIA?
Edit: Also, I'm reading some Edward Johnston, so I might disappear until later tomorrow.
Quote from: superluser on May 14, 2007, 12:39:19 AM
after all, SAIA would have taken Abel back when he was still a little kid. Heck, that's when they took Aary.
Za? Where did you get that assumption?
He has your brain sitting in a jar on his desk, maybe? Shakes it until it gives something up? That's why Tech has had no luck with you! I was wondering. ;)
Hmmm I'm having a flashback to the Dream squence from 'Look Whose Talking Now' where 'Molly' and Santa start makin out in front of the kiddies :3
"Santa All I want for Chistmas is ... You." *points candy cane to santa*
EDIT:
:D THIS POST MADE ME REMEMBER WHAT MOVIE "HAVE A LITTLE FAITH IN ME" IS FROM
It's from "look whose talking now" I had that song stuck in my head all day
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 14, 2007, 12:47:42 AMQuote from: superluser on May 14, 2007, 12:39:19 AMafter all, SAIA would have taken Abel back when he was still a little kid. Heck, that's when they took Aary.
Za? Where did you get that assumption?
From her bio: ``A rather prodigal child, Aary was enrolled early to the Cubi Acadamies where she excelled in many of her classes.''
Perhaps she wasn't `little,' but I thought that she was at least fairly young. I seem to remember you saying that, but I'm probably wrong.
Amber, I mean, Bizzaro Amber, you have by far some of the most colourful update rant thingys I have ever read.
QuoteHuh. A first in 25 years? Maybe Aniz *has* been sleeping around. The obvious solution would be that Aniz wants Abel to go to SAIA, but that seems a little too obvious. And, after all, SAIA would have taken Abel back when he was still a little kid. Heck, that's when they took Aary.
Perhaps he's just talking about how Abel and May talk a lot? And I don't believe it was ever stated that Aary went to SAIA as a young one. In contrary, she has a bowling trophy from high school. Oh wait, it was tennis.
I think Aniz has been hanging around too many furs with goofy emotions.
I asume its straight to the point like a dagger into the backside of a bull maybe
Quote from: stiletto on May 14, 2007, 12:58:45 AM
I think Aniz has been hanging around too many furs with goofy emotions.
Are you being specific here? Because I can't see it.
Also, who keeps claiming that Abel is Cid's kid? Come on. Raise your hands... [cha-chk!]
o/` Only yoooooooou, can make me feel so true!
I'll never ever be so blue, as long as I have you!
Only yoooooou can make me feel so true,
What ever ever I can do it's because of you...
Only yoooooou can make me feel so true,
I'll never never be so blue as long as I have you! o/`
Bizarro Amber, you am making spelling errors. All words correct spelling. Since me write that, me get punished by Moderator. One day Mab hugs. :U
With regards,
Ted
Quote from: superluser on May 14, 2007, 12:55:50 AM
Perhaps she wasn't `little,' but I thought that she was at least fairly young. I seem to remember you saying that, but I'm probably wrong.
Yeah. You kind of are.
In Aary's case, her headwings came in around her late teens...which is considered really early for Cubi. But keep in mind Aary has two Cubi parents and was likely raised in her Clan's community...so she was more than likely prepping to be all the Cubi she can be.
SAIA isn't a daycare where parent Cubi can lob infants into it for safe-keeping. If you are entering SAIA, you are entering at an age where you can learn the lessons there.
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 14, 2007, 01:22:00 AM
In Aary's case, her headwings came in around her late teens...which is considered really early for Cubi. But keep in mind Aary has two Cubi parents and was likely raised in her Clan's community...so she was more than likely prepping to be all the Cubi she can be.
*listens to the last dying cries of the "May is also a Cubi" theory.*
Yeah, I thought not. Is this in the Wiki yet?
Also helps explain why Aary was so... so... nuts!
Heh heh, Abel is really starting to look PISSED... can't wait to see where this goes. >:3
Also, this is makin' me wonder what Aniz' speech was supposed to be in the first place
ooo now Aniz should beeb Abel's nose like Jy Jy :giggle
If Aniz does that, then I doubt Abel would have reacted the way he did when Jy did it. He more likely would have tried to kill Jy, thinking he was Aniz in another form.
Aniz is really cutting it fine and down to the point in saying to Abel, ' All I want is you ' . As a decendant in his clan, Abel may not be much, but he is of Aniz, and bears his clan markings. Also, the clan may be in real need of more members since, ( if you read the notes ) , the clan is so fragmented as to almost not be regarded as a clan anymore . The mother is no longer needed.
Is this the point where Destina comes in from S.A.I.A , and tries to teach Abel how to suvive as a creature without having his head wings popping out at indiscrete times, and maybe , now with his much longer projected life span, start a long term, higher interest, 'creature account' , to earn more with his long term savings. Aniz may be a bit Ebil. What of Destina ?
So much innuendo in one panel.... >:3
Yeah, now that all the pieces are sitting around, I would have to say its all part of getting more members in the clan to try and save it.
It's the most reasonable answer now that most of the predictions got shot down as they usually do in any scenerio. :)
I'm terrible.
When i saw the line 'you.. All I want is you'
All I could think was..
'Kinky..!'
>.>
Quote from: Goatmon on May 14, 2007, 03:32:50 AM
So much innuendo in one panel.... >:3
In YOUR endo.
Hahaha, I'm so clever.
Hmm. Beating up May is a really good way to get Abel on his side...
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 14, 2007, 05:06:08 AM
Hmm. Beating up May is a really good way to get Abel on his side...
He only said that he wants Abel.
He didn't say he wants Abel at his side.
Maybe the fact that Abel exists is enough for him.
Quote from: Zina on May 14, 2007, 04:42:12 AM
Quote from: Goatmon on May 14, 2007, 03:32:50 AM
So much innuendo in one panel.... >:3
In YOUR endo.
Hahaha, I'm so clever.
What's an endo, and when did I suddenly obtain ownership of one? :paranoid
Meanwhile, poor Mae's heart is clearly breaking... :cry
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 14, 2007, 01:22:00 AM
SAIA isn't a daycare where parent Cubi can lob infants into it for safe-keeping. If you are entering SAIA, you are entering at an age where you can learn the lessons there.
which sounds like any other educational institution in existance... including torture devices.
Dont forget the being leather wallets ;)
Quote from: Zedd on May 14, 2007, 05:48:56 AM
Dont forget the being leather wallets ;)
ah yes..
and not forgetting the screams of torment, and textbooks that're able to eat your face off..
and the faculty that's scary... and the sadistic school medic.
(on another note, i think Amber needs to take a break or something, she's clearly going even further off the deep end than usual :P )
Quote from: Violet Dusk on May 14, 2007, 05:43:45 AM
Meanwhile, poor Mae's heart is clearly breaking... :cry
yeah, it looks like she was nothing but a farm
Quote from: Turnsky on May 14, 2007, 05:53:02 AM
Quote from: Zedd on May 14, 2007, 05:48:56 AM
Dont forget the being leather wallets ;)
ah yes..
and not forgetting the screams of torment, and textbooks that're able to eat your face off..
and the faculty that's scary... and the sadistic school medic.
Espeicially Home Economics... *Shivers*
Well, it took about five minutes for May's life to shatter... Oh poor May :[.
Quote from: Violet Dusk on May 14, 2007, 05:43:45 AM
Meanwhile, poor Mae's heart is clearly breaking... :cry
How right you are. With all the attention on Abel it's easy to forget that May's lover has been dead for over 20 years. Beyond that, she's been living (and presumably sleeping) with a half demon all this time. This goes beyond heartbreak. She may well never recover from this ordeal. :cry
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 14, 2007, 01:22:00 AMYeah. You kind of are.
Kind of? From what you've said, I'm completely, totally, and utterly wrong.
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 14, 2007, 01:22:00 AMIn Aary's case, her headwings came in around her late teens...which is considered really early for Cubi. But keep in mind Aary has two Cubi parents and was likely raised in her Clan's community...so she was more than likely prepping to be all the Cubi she can be.
See, that's what got me. Everybody we've seen gets their headwings at around age 25, and Destania seems to have told Alexsi to expect Dan's headwings sometime in his mid-twenties.
That gave me the impression that all `cubi get their headwings in their mid-twenties (which, from what you're saying, seems to be more or less usual), and then that implies that if Aary were accepted early, she would not have had her headwings.
But if Aary went through cuberty early, then that pretty much eliminates any support for the theory that SAIA would have accepted Abel, making me the aforementioned completely, totally, and utterly wrong.
(P.S. Edward Johnston rocks!)
yes but your assuming that the SAIA even know abel is a cubi as of yet. They probably dont even know of Abel still and are ignorant of his heritage. Now I Know most will say well what about aary, but aary had TWO cubi parents who enrolled her. Dan is a cubi as well and not even SAIA knew of him until he was forcefully enlisted at age 25. Most likely two things will happen.
1)after this ordeal someone will enroll him perhaps into SAIA college
2)Kria will have enrolled him seeing as how she saw him a cubi.
Quote from: multani82 on May 14, 2007, 08:09:06 AM
yes but your assuming that the SAIA even know abel is a cubi as of yet.
I think Superluser was actually saying that Aniz should have offed May as soon as Abel first opened his eyes, and put him into Fa'Lina's care before he could even crawl.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 14, 2007, 08:15:04 AM
Quote from: multani82 on May 14, 2007, 08:09:06 AM
yes but your assuming that the SAIA even know abel is a cubi as of yet.
I think Superluser was actually saying that Aniz should have offed May as soon as Abel first opened his eyes, and put him into Fa'Lina's care before he could even crawl.
but then we're also assuming that Aniz even WANTS abel to go to SAIA academy. In my opinion, he doesn't seem like the person who would send his son off to the academy and more like the person who wishes to train his son HIMSELF.
[Reads the strip again]
Sweet. The Beings have invented vinyl records. Or shellac...
"What do I want .."
"Abel .. I choose you!"
*dives for cover*
Also .. Boo for Bizaro Amber updates! :mowhappy
Mmmm, Cubicest.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 14, 2007, 08:15:04 AM
Quote from: multani82 on May 14, 2007, 08:09:06 AM
yes but your assuming that the SAIA even know abel is a cubi as of yet.
I think Superluser was actually saying that Aniz should have offed May as soon as Abel first opened his eyes, and put him into Fa'Lina's care before he could even crawl.
Aniz probably needed to wait until Abel demonstrated more cubi traits then just his backwings. Remember Destinia told Alexia to watch Dan for 'signs', which could be interpreted in any number of ways I suppose; my interpretation is that Dan's cubi status was not ascertainable until more obvious expressions of it manifested.
But if a cubi is non detectable for what it is until it comes of age, that's a very useful survival feature in the dangerous world that Farrae can be (honestly, walking across the street runs the risk of getting stepped on or worse.) It lets babycubi hide among the population until they've matured enough.
This reminds me of my father and I, except without the whole...murderous deceit and violence thing. There's a wicked slice of ice in the humour here that I am loving.
That said, Dad did used to tell me that he was five aliens in a human shell conducting intergalactic experiments on me when I was asleep. Good times!
Also, how much does Hennya wish she'd stayed at home tonight?
On a rapid review, May is heart-breakingly pathos-inducing in that first panel.
*Bizzarro Charline* Me R think Aniz want to give family candy cuz he R nice cubi, like me R.
*Bizzarro Charles* Bizzarro Charline R stoopid! Aniz want to kill them and eat they brainz, like me want do! Rar! *gnaws on Bizzarro Charline* :zombiekun2
How bizarre.
How bizarre.
How bizarre.
*riff*
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 14, 2007, 05:06:08 AM
Hmm. Beating up May is a really good way to get Abel on his side...
This is assuming Abel has a choice. He lacks his three hundred years in SAIA, currently.
Quote from: Alondro on May 14, 2007, 11:26:31 AM
*Bizzarro Charles* Bizzarro Charline R stoopid! Aniz want to kill them and eat they brainz, like me want do! Rar! *gnaws on Bizzarro Charline* :zombiekun2
I can see I'm going to have to add 'crossbow' to my AC packing list.
Quote from: rabid_fox on May 14, 2007, 11:21:05 AM
On a rapid review, May is heart-breakingly pathos-inducing in that first panel.
Doesn't seem to do it for me unfortunately. Her current condition makes it look a bit like she has no nose, an effect Amber sometimes uses for distant shots or comedy moments. So looking at in one way makes me want to laugh, even though I realise that her life is falling apart.
Quote from: Ink on May 14, 2007, 11:40:00 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 14, 2007, 05:06:08 AM
Hmm. Beating up May is a really good way to get Abel on his side...
This is assuming Abel has a choice. He lacks his three hundred years in SAIA, currently.
Notwithstanding the emotion-jamming trick, Abel is not going to be on his father's side.
He might not be able to prevent whatever Aniz wants to do, but by beating up May, Aniz is ensuring that Abel will have to be brought in under duress. If he'd played this differently, Abel might have come willingly.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 14, 2007, 11:44:42 AM
Quote from: Ink on May 14, 2007, 11:40:00 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 14, 2007, 05:06:08 AM
Hmm. Beating up May is a really good way to get Abel on his side...
This is assuming Abel has a choice. He lacks his three hundred years in SAIA, currently.
Notwithstanding the emotion-jamming trick, Abel is not going to be on his father's side.
He might not be able to prevent whatever Aniz wants to do, but by beating up May, Aniz is ensuring that Abel will have to be brought in under duress. If he'd played this differently, Abel might have come willingly.
I quote:
"It's better that he resents me for not giving him a choice than resenting himself for a choice he does make."
What's struck me is that for the first time, May looks old. It could be Aniz dropping the aged Cid guise, or just the slumped shoulders, but she looks beaten (as in defeated). There's something about seeing a character looking broken by circumstance that cuts me. Like when Robin Williams devestates you with a sad smile. Or that bit in "The Truman Show" where Jim touches the wall. Goosebumps just thinking about that.
Back to what I came to this thread for.
Aniz: "Veni, mi fili. Veni, mi fili.
Hic veni, da mihi mortem iterum."
Onnnnnnlyyy YOUUUUUUU. And you alone. Can thrill me like you do. And fill my heart with love for only you!!!
Now for the motive and reasoning. Muahaha and the rage!! bring on the rage!!!
hmm I see a possible Aniz/Abel Fight... not a very long one mind you... like as long as the Dan/Fa'Lina fight
Quote from: multani82 on May 14, 2007, 08:19:18 AMbut then we're also assuming that Aniz even WANTS abel to go to SAIA academy.
I'm not! The point that I had been trying to make was that Aniz would have already trundled him off. But then Amber pointed out that I didn't have any reason to think this.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 14, 2007, 08:33:48 AMThe Beings have invented vinyl records. Or shellac...
It saddens me to think that in a few years, people will not understand what sounding like a broken record refers to. It also saddens me to think that quite a few of you here, now have probably never seen/used a typewriter.
:oldman
Quote from: Shadowcatcher on May 14, 2007, 10:07:57 AMAniz probably needed to wait until Abel demonstrated more cubi traits then just his backwings. Remember Destinia told Alexia to watch Dan for 'signs', which could be interpreted in any number of ways I suppose; my interpretation is that Dan's cubi status was not ascertainable until more obvious expressions of it manifested.
It sounds like Dee knew. But, as I've said in the past, she didn't make any effort to tell SAIA about him, which is odd.
Quote from: Ink on May 14, 2007, 11:47:58 AMI quote:
"It's better that he resents me for not giving him a choice than resenting himself for a choice he does make."
I've mentioned this before (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=2739.msg113998#msg113998). Arguing against myself, that really only works if there's a good cop for Aniz to play off of. If Aniz sends him to Fa'Lina, that would work, but if he intends to train Abel himself, Aniz may find himself playing rock, paper, skull.
Quote from: Ink on May 14, 2007, 11:58:09 AMAniz: "Veni, mi fili. Veni, mi fili.
Hic veni, da mihi mortem iterum."
I doubt Aniz wants Abel to kill him.
Maybe...just maybe...on an outside chance....Aniz has been looking for another Cubi to pass his tailoring skills onto. Which would explain his love for the shirt that he hasn't backwing-ripped...
Yes. It all makes perfect sense now. And it's canon!
Quote from: rabid_fox on May 14, 2007, 12:23:49 PM
Which would explain his love for the shirt that he hasn't backwing-ripped...
It is true Aniz really likes that shirt...
And why wouldn't he? He does look dapper in it.
My first reaction was Eee! Cute! :D
Actually
I lie.
My first reaction was "Eh? What is Amber talking about?", but my first reaction apon reading the comic was Eee! :P
Oh, and if I understood the rant correctly, we're having Abel Story updates this week?
Yes Yes It seems Amber or Oh ah Bizaroo AmBer has switched the updates times and numbers for DMFA and Abel story ... So that, we may get the end of the Abel's storyline, soooner. Maybe by the end of the week.
Me, I think Amber is just delaying telling Mab's Fae story again....."Fae Castles are really really tough to draw.."
but Only Fluffy knows for sure.
Great Job amber
:mowmeep
PBH
I can see a whole fashion line created by Aniz...FABULOUS! :mowhappy
QuoteI doubt Aniz wants Abel to kill him.
Tsk. You see only words.QuoteArguing against myself, that really only works if there's a good cop for Aniz to play off of. If Aniz sends him to Fa'Lina, that would work, but if he intends to train Abel himself, Aniz may find himself playing rock, paper, skull.
You're missing the point. Unlike Fa'lina and Dan, Aniz actually gives more than the tiniest shred of care about Abel. I quote. "It's all about you."
Consider this; If Abel spirals down into self-loathing and eventually kill himself, that would be entirely counterproductive to Aniz' efforts to raise him and keep his true identity as a secret. He doesn't want to go through the hard work of killing Abel, May, and Hennya, assuming another identity and starting again. *
Therein lies the reasoning. Better he hates Aniz than himself.
* Even though he probably could, and even though he'd probably kill May in any case. Hennya is just collateral damage, victim of having bad timing and being a witness to the crime.
EDIT:
Oh and really, it's a moot point on whether or not he plays devil's advocate. His cover is blown anyway, he can be as much as a bastard about it as he wishes.
I hava a theory...... and a theaory only........ What if Cubi don't have children easily? I don't know if this is the case but in some fantasy I have read it is with long lived races because if the bred at the same rate as the shorter lived races they would over populate.
So the theory is that it is easier for beings and cubi to breed and so in his hurry to have a child (for some unknown reason) Aniz took on this disguise so that he could have one with Mae. and yes I know it has been 25 years but thats still not too long for a cubi.
^ Possibly. Or perhaps female Cubi (succubus?) expect some really complicated, heavy ritualized or painful form of foreplay that Aniz just cant handle.
Quote from: sanasawa on May 14, 2007, 03:31:11 PM
^ Possibly. Or perhaps female Cubi (succubus?) expect some really complicated, heavy ritualized or painful form of foreplay that Aniz just cant handle.
Haha yeah, poor Merlitz.
(http://img104.imageshack.us/img104/7708/iwantyouse8.png)
I blame this on my poor MSPaint skills.
Once again, I am here to reaffirm my love for that devilishly evil Aniz! :mwaha
Is it fatherly affection? Or is this something far more sinister? Find out in the next edition of DMFA, Abel's Story!
Quote from: Ink on May 14, 2007, 02:51:00 PM
QuoteI doubt Aniz wants Abel to kill him.
Tsk. You see only words.
Not having played Advent Children, I don't know where One Winged Angel comes in, but if it's anything like FFVII, then I see your final boss music.
But I also see the words. You don't say, ``da mihi mortem'' unless you're talking about someone giving you death. Perhaps ``Noli manare in memoria./Saevam iram et dolorem?''
Quote from: Ink on May 14, 2007, 02:51:00 PMConsider this; If Abel spirals down into self-loathing and eventually kill himself, that would be entirely counterproductive to Aniz' efforts to raise him and keep his true identity as a secret. He doesn't want to go through the hard work of killing Abel, May, and Hennya, assuming another identity and starting again.
Except...what happens if Abel tries to kill Aniz? The whole problem here is that Aniz could have gotten Abel on his side, which would have made things easier. If Aniz doesn't do that, he's going to have to spend all his time watching him to make sure that Abel doesn't try to kill him. It would most likely fail, yes, but it would take time away from training.
It may be better to have Abel hate him, rather than himself, but by far the best would be to have Abel eagerly participate in the training. Had Aniz started working on turning Abel at an early age, Abel might have eagerly participated in the training. He's not going to do that, now.
Quote from: Aleolus on May 14, 2007, 05:09:52 PM
Is it fatherly affection? Or is this something far more sinister? Find out in the next edition of DMFA, Abel's Story!
o/~ Go, go Abel's story! *guitar riff* Go, go Abel's story! *guitar riff* Go, go Abel's story! You full of cubi, gloomy storyyy! o/~
Couldn't resist..
Have a feeling Abel isnt gonna get go all freewill bit..
QuoteNot having played Advent Children, I don't know where One Winged Angel comes in, but if it's anything like FFVII, then I see your final boss music.
But I also see the words. You don't say, ``da mihi mortem'' unless you're talking about someone giving you death. Perhaps ``Noli manare in memoria./Saevam iram et dolorem?''
Subtlety fails you.
By saying 'You see only words', I had meant you had not understood why I quoted, I am well aware that you understood the Latin translation.
And I say again, you see only words.
Hm. I've been guessing since the last comic that Aniz could be trying to repopulate his clan. Members of that clan are few and far between, selon Abel's page. And I'm guessing that Cid probably killed a few too many Cubi in Aniz's clan. Or am I giving him too much credit by giving him this much of a motive?
Also, did Abel just turn all Cid-like later in life to deal with the pain, discovering that being a bastard is easier than being too emotional and having to deal with his sad memories? 'Cause otherwise, being a jerk is genetic. Which is really pretty awesome.
Quote from: Ink on May 14, 2007, 07:33:30 PMQuoteNot having played Advent Children, I don't know where One Winged Angel comes in, but if it's anything like FFVII, then I see your final boss music.
But I also see the words. You don't say, ``da mihi mortem'' unless you're talking about someone giving you death. Perhaps ``Noli manare in memoria./Saevam iram et dolorem?''
Subtlety fails you.
By saying 'You see only words', I had meant you had not understood why I quoted, I am well aware that you understood the Latin translation.
Which is why I mentioned that I knew that it came from Advent Children.
And then pointed out that--barring Aniz wanting Abel to kill him--there were probably other, more appropriate lines from that song.
If you meant to imply that he's giving other people death, that's not what that phrase means.
If you meant to imply some sort of reincarnation (as the association with Sephiroth and Jenova might suggest), then I'm really confused, because that doesn't seem to fit in Amber's worldview.
I'm glad I'm not the only one that sort of snickered at Aniz' line in the last panel.
yeah, Abel was like "What the? Are you coming on to me?" :giggle
Somehow, had a feeling we'd be seeng what we're now seeing.
Which makes me wonder who's responsible (directly or indirectly) for Abel going SAIA... his father, or Kria?
Guess it all depends on whether Aniz trusts or distrusts SAIA.
Quote from: Black_angel on May 14, 2007, 07:37:46 PM
Also, did Abel just turn all Cid-like later in life to deal with the pain, discovering that being a bastard is easier than being too emotional and having to deal with his sad memories? 'Cause otherwise, being a jerk is genetic. Which is really pretty awesome.
It's not genetic, it's environment. There's a lot of subtle clues you pick up form your parents without even thinking about it. Things like, say, how they fold a piece of paper. Or how they hold a knife to slice bread. Or how they behaved to each other. Or how they folded up plastic bags.
All sorts of little things that you don't even think about. Heck, they were even the ones who taught you how to wipe your backside when you were little.
My current theory is that Aniz is indeed playing bad cop with some other cubi waiting to be good cop in wait in the wings.
However, let's talk about things Aniz could have done!
"Cid" comes out as having secretly been a cubi all along: This would have been a master stroke-- if the goal was to get Abel to stand by his side and ultimately become a strong and functional good-aligned Incubus. So, assuming Aniz is being "sufficiently thinky" to poorly coin a phrase, we know the following:
Aniz places no value on teaching Abel to be a "good" Incubus, or if he somehow does, he does not want Abel to think of him as an ally.
Aniz also places no (if not NEGATIVE) value on preserving the family unit any further. He wants this family dissolved.
Aniz could have come out as Aniz, and broken Mae's heart without pissing off Abel all that much: "Mae I'm sorry, I couldn't tell you. I should have but... I'm sorry" *FAKE CRY! RUN!* In this scenario the family unit gets dissolved pretty effectively because Mae'd be plenty broken up and not be interested in dealing with Aniz, and Abel would basically pick a parent to follow. More subtle manipulation COULD then bring Abel over to following Aniz, if corresponding with his mother on a regular basis.
So Aniz probably WANTS Abel to be pissed off at him. For some reason.
So Aniz is wrecking the home, and getting Abel good and angry at him. INTENTIONALLY. To what effect? Well!
Aniz needs to demonstrate to Abel that he can't beat him, physically, I think. There will be a breif fight.
Aniz also wants a really heart-rending bargaining chip to get Abel to come along, but -and this is the really interesting bit- WITH NO MISCONCEPTIONS as to Aniz's basic disposition. From Aniz' perspective, (remember Kria's Neitzche-inspired speach on Demon Morality) Abel needs to be taught that the world is ugly, brutish, and cruel, and that Power is the real way to keep yourself together and get what you want. With a dramatic demo like we're seeing, he'll have Abel feeling a lot of the (to me and many others pretty revolting) sentiment behind the Demonic Ubermench.
In short: Sink or swim time, kiddo. See how dangerous the world is? Now come along, you've got survival lessons to take.
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 14, 2007, 12:41:01 PM
Quote from: rabid_fox on May 14, 2007, 12:23:49 PM
Which would explain his love for the shirt that he hasn't backwing-ripped...
It is true Aniz really likes that shirt...
Quick, Abel! Tear off his shirt!
Wait, that doesn't sound right at all. :sweatdrop
Quote from: MaskedRetriever on May 14, 2007, 09:44:32 PMAniz also wants a really heart-rending bargaining chip to get Abel to come along, but -and this is the really interesting bit- WITH NO MISCONCEPTIONS as to Aniz's basic disposition. From Aniz' perspective, (remember Kria's Neitzche-inspired speach on Demon Morality) Abel needs to be taught that the world is ugly, brutish, and cruel, and that Power is the real way to keep yourself together and get what you want. With a dramatic demo like we're seeing, he'll have Abel feeling a lot of the (to me and many others pretty revolting) sentiment behind the Demonic Ubermench.
You misspelt `Hobbes.' Also, `nasty' and `short.'
I'm not sure about the heart-rending bargaining chip. Do you mean, he'll keep May alive but threaten to return to Zinvth and visit violence upon her if Abel steps out of line?
We also have seen no examples of Cid or Aniz trying to give Aniz a Hobbesian outlook.
(Wow. Firefox spellcheck has `Hobbesian.')
Calvin and Hobbes?
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Which would explain his love for the shirt that he hasn't backwing-ripped...
It is true Aniz really likes that shirt...
Quick, Abel! Tear off his shirt!
Wait, that doesn't sound right at all. :sweatdrop
*Charles noddles* That's right! That was totally gay! Abel should totally tear off his pants instead! :B
*Charline erfs fromt he sidelines* He's now evil... but even stupider than before! :sweatdrop
What happens in Bizarro World, STAYS in Bizzaro world.
Also... incest subtext.
Also... subtext with its letters moved around is buttsex
Also... I havent slept in over 48 hours and am feeling loopy.
Of 'course Aniz can't let Abel commit suicide over this whole deal, otherwise 25 years of hard work will have gone to waste. We can presume that Abel is to now expand the numbers of the Aniz clan by one. Seems Abel has to like it or lump it.
Quote from: kaskar on May 15, 2007, 07:34:07 AM
Of 'course Aniz can't let Abel commit suicide over this whole deal, otherwise 25 years of hard work will have gone to waste. We can presume that Abel is to now expand the numbers of the Aniz clan by one. Seems Abel has to like it or lump it.
The flipside is that if Aniz drives Abel to a killing rage, he is likely to kill Aniz. Maybe not at first, but possibly later when he's more experienced. That means that the number of clan members is now the same as before the exercise.
Quote from: superluser on May 15, 2007, 12:33:23 AM
You misspelt `Hobbes.' Also, `nasty' and `short.'
You misspelled "I am not the forum spelling police."
Oh wait, you didn't say that. Although maybe next time you should think it to yourself before you post.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 15, 2007, 08:02:13 AMThe flipside is that if Aniz drives Abel to a killing rage, he is likely to kill Aniz. Maybe not at first, but possibly later when he's more experienced. That means that the number of clan members is now the same as before the exercise.
Well, in the interest of fairness, I feel compelled to mention that Aniz would have extended the longevity of his clan by a few years. The animal kingdom is full of examples of this sort of thing. Some spiders eat their mother, and many mantids eat their mates during compulation (though this actually seems to be more common for mantids under observation).
It would still seem to be more beneficial for a slowly-reproducing species (25 years to maturity is pretty long) with a long period of fertility to keep all potential parents in the gene pool.
Quote from: Damaris on May 15, 2007, 08:32:10 AMYou misspelled "I am not the forum spelling police."
Oh wait, you didn't say that. Although maybe next time you should think it to yourself before you post.
Huh? I was merely pointing out that I think that Thomas Hobbes, who referred to the life of Man before government as ``solitary, poore (sic), nasty, brutish, and short,'' was in my opinion more appropriate than characterizing Nietzsche as saying ``ugly, brutish, and cruel.''
My intention was not to correct spelling, which I think was obvious by the fact that none of those words were even in the quoted text, but to discuss classical philosophy and which one best applies to the `cubi race.
Quote from: superluser on May 15, 2007, 09:38:16 AM
Well, in the interest of fairness, I feel compelled to mention that Aniz would have extended the longevity of his clan by a few years. The animal kingdom is full of examples of this sort of thing. Some spiders eat their mother, and many mantids eat their mates during compulation (though this actually seems to be more common for mantids under observation).
There is a minor difference here - mantids keep the sperm from the copulation for months if not years, if I remember correctly. So mating once and then eating your partner is not limiting more births, as it would in mammals. Plus it's the female that eats the male, which leaves poor Aniz eaten by May? Er...
I -think- I remember someone saying something about parthogenesis, as well - for those of you who haven't run across this word, it means "giving birth even with no sperm, in a form of cloning the mother for each child" - if there are no male mantids around.
Quote from: superluser on May 15, 2007, 09:38:16 AM
My intention was not to correct spelling, which I think was obvious by the fact that none of those words were even in the quoted text, but to discuss classical philosophy and which one best applies to the `cubi race.
Hmm. You might want to expand on that a bit next time. Not everyone picked up on the classical reference - I know -I- was lost, and I seem to catch a number of things that a lot of people here seem to miss. That might just be the people who miss things talking about it, and those who catch remain silently laughing to themselves, though...
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Huh? I was merely pointing out that I think that Thomas Hobbes, who referred to the life of Man before government as ``solitary, poore (sic), nasty, brutish, and short,'' was in my opinion more appropriate than characterizing Nietzsche as saying ``ugly, brutish, and cruel.''
My point was mangled slightly by poor forethought, but I didn't mean to say that Neitzche thought of life as ugly and brutish, but rather that this was part A of the lesson, and part B was basically http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_343.php , which I'm gonna go ahead and say I'm not for. I'm about 2/3 of the way through "Beyond Good and Evil" and my feeling on Neitzche is basically that he is often misunderstood vastly and to his detriment, but still not so much that we should admire him.
Also I have another theory that Aniz did it for the Lulz.
Because seriously if YOU were a Cubi who thought of beings as disposable resources the way Kria does, wouldn't YOU think the look on Abel's face was just priceless? Comedy. GOLD.
I mean sure if you're ME the look on
Mae's face makes you want to beat Aniz to a bloody pulp but we're talking about Aniz here.
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Also... I havent slept in over 48 hours and am feeling loopy.
You mean you weren't there before? :3
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 15, 2007, 09:48:06 AMThere is a minor difference here - mantids keep the sperm from the copulation for months if not years, if I remember correctly. So mating once and then eating your partner is not limiting more births, as it would in mammals. Plus it's the female that eats the male, which leaves poor Aniz eaten by May? Er...
I'd go so far as to say that there's a major difference there. I don't argue that the preying mantis analogy is true, just that an argument that could be made.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 15, 2007, 09:48:06 AMHmm. You might want to expand on that a bit next time. Not everyone picked up on the classical reference - I know -I- was lost
Frankly, I'm surprised. You usually get things, and I thought that everybody knew ``nasty, brutish, and short.''
Quote from: MaskedRetriever on May 15, 2007, 09:49:26 AMI'm about 2/3 of the way through "Beyond Good and Evil" and my feeling on Neitzche is basically that he is often misunderstood vastly and to his detriment, but still not so much that we should admire him.
I think just about everybody has that opinion of Nietzsche.
It occurs to me that the ``forum spelling police'' assessment may also have something to do with the Sealab 2021 quote from the other thread. If you're not familiar with the episode, it may have looked like I was correcting the spelling of martial law (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php?topic=2764.msg114887#msg114887). The quote has now been added for those who may not be familiar.
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Also... I havent slept in over 48 hours and am feeling loopy.
You mean you weren't there before? :3
Oh, no, that's just my normal psychosis.
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Also... I havent slept in over 48 hours and am feeling loopy.
You mean you weren't there before? :3
Oh, no, that's just my normal psychosis.
I see... this should prove quite interesting, then... :paranoid
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Quote from: King Of Hearts on May 15, 2007, 07:10:22 AM
Also... I havent slept in over 48 hours and am feeling loopy.
You mean you weren't there before? :3
Oh, no, that's just my normal psychosis.
I see... this should prove quite interesting, then... :paranoid
No TV and No Beer makes KoH somethingsomething...
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Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 15, 2007, 09:48:06 AMHmm. You might want to expand on that a bit next time. Not everyone picked up on the classical reference - I know -I- was lost
Frankly, I'm surprised. You usually get things, and I thought that everybody knew ``nasty, brutish, and short.''
Well, the quote that leapt into mind was
Quote from: Terry PratchettGnomes lives are nasty, brutish, and short, and so are they.
in response to someone complaining when one bit him...
That's way back in The Colour of Magic, or The Light Fantastic, I think. I could go and look it up, though, if you want...