seriously Amber took tall the fun out of the baby machine
So...Mab's basically pimping out her parents? :B
:erk Fae are weird.
And that's all I have to say about that.
Captain Planet approves of the Fae Recycling Program.
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on May 08, 2007, 08:15:38 PM
seriously Amber took tall the fun out of the baby machine
Whose to say they don't still have fun? The souls are recycled, but they may still need a recycling plant.
Auctioned? Wonder how much a soul costs. :<
I wonder how the number was decided on. Did all the Fae just magically show up in the beginning?
Kinda makes you think if some of the Fae have been collecting souls through auctions so they can work in Fae sweatshops. :shifty
So no fae-anything hybrids :P
--edit--
this also makes that DMFA porn-fic that is in the general area all the more wrong :U
Quote from: Marmonstein on May 08, 2007, 08:22:54 PM
I wonder how the number was decided on. Did all the Fae just magically show up in the beginning?
No one knows. Or at least, Amber isn't telling. Fae may well be the least-understood race on Furrae. Not, I suspect, through lack of trying, but rather because no one can confirm that any of their "facts" are actually true, or just the result of some Fae playing a game.
But I could be wrong.
Quote from: XeksueKinda makes you think if some of the Fae have been collecting souls through auctions so they can work in Fae sweatshops.
Seems though that being highly magical, the Fae might rebel.
But does it still take 2 parents to recycle a soul... :paranoid
Well least we know it wont all go to waste
What the Hell? I bet that number is the answer to some question that she missed off on some test or whatnot. Or maybe that's the number of hits the comic has gotten so far? I would think that number would be higher, but who knows?
Quote from: Reese Tora on May 08, 2007, 08:27:41 PMthis also makes that DMFA porn-fic that is in the general area all the more wrong :U
I'm having fun imagining Amber doing this arc in response to the porn fic. Of course, she plans this stuff out far in advance, so she's ruined my fun. (to prevent Amber from usurping my status as The Ruiner, I must now claim that Amber doesn't plan anything, and each strip is plotted in the ten minutes before she uploads it.)
Also--why would Mab get to auction off her parents? Doesn't that seem like conflict of interest?
Edit: 5 × 569 × 857 = 2438165
It does not spell BOOBIES if you hold the calculator upside down
why can't they auction off mow souls to make babies?
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on May 08, 2007, 08:37:24 PM
why can't they auction off mow souls to make babies?
As far as we know they don't know if they have souls. If they do though the whole no more no less rule has already been broken then, and they would probably blame Mab for it just because the Mows share her DNA.
Called it.
So did a few others. Typical Fae from other fantasy settings, thank goodness.
Azlan and Neni win the auction and get to have a baby, I'm sure they would like that.
Quote from: Ouari on May 08, 2007, 08:48:17 PM
Azlan and Neni win the auction and get to have a baby, I'm sure they would like that.
Oh yeah, that's just what Azlan needs. Someone else to call the shots on him. :P
Quote from: Ouari on May 08, 2007, 08:48:17 PM
Azlan and Neni win the auction and get to have a baby, I'm sure they would like that.
Two babies, maybe; there are two fae souls coming, IIRC.
*imagines two babies, alteast one, maybe both being like the legend that is Neni*
:erk
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on May 08, 2007, 08:15:38 PMseriously Amber took tall the fun out of the baby machine
What machine? Apparatus for Facilitating the Birth of a Child by Centrifugal Force (http://www.thingamababy.com/baby/2007/01/baby_patent_his.html)? (warning: contains a drawing of a breast)
Edit: Also, ``And when it's dried and ready, a Lupus I will play?''
Quote from: Netami on May 08, 2007, 08:45:23 PM
Called it.
So did a few others. Typical Fae from other fantasy settings, thank goodness.
What other settings?
But seriously now..What will happen when a cubi dies...If they see a disgruntled green hare at the other end..Most are in trouble..But most would say..Its better than seeing the other forms of the reaper
DOES ANYONE ELSE NOTICE HIS HAIR IS NOW COMPLETELY PURPLE!!???
Caps lock is cruise control for "awesome."
Quote from: rabid_fox on May 08, 2007, 08:20:56 PM
Captain Planet approves of the Fae Recycling Program.
CAPTAIN PLANET!!!!!!!!1111 (http://youtube.com/watch?v=QYFu__Q9ASU)
Quote from: Kattuccino on May 08, 2007, 09:08:28 PM
DOES ANYONE ELSE NOTICE HIS HAIR IS NOW COMPLETELY PURPLE!!???
Caps lock is cruise control for "awesome."
I know I did when I was colouring it. :3
Quote from: superluser on May 08, 2007, 08:53:11 PM
Quote from: GabrielsThoughts on May 08, 2007, 08:15:38 PMseriously Amber took tall the fun out of the baby machine
What machine? Apparatus for Facilitating the Birth of a Child by Centrifugal Force (http://www.thingamababy.com/baby/2007/01/baby_patent_his.html)? (warning: contains a drawing of a breast)
... the poorly rendered breast is the LEAST of what scared me about that device!
Seriously, I can draw (and have drawn) better tits than that.
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 08, 2007, 09:12:52 PMI know I did when I was colouring it. :3
Awww...I liked his polka dot hair. ):
Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on May 08, 2007, 09:14:33 PM
... the poorly rendered breast is the LEAST of what scared me about that device!
No kidding, it looks like it was designed by B. S. Johnson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Stupid_Johnson)... :erk
Cubi can steal souls. What would happen if a cubi stole a fae soul. Would the number of fae go down, or what?
Also please add the comic number to the title of the thread.
I bet your lamp would run a really long time on a Fae soul. Maybe the Energizer Bunny was a fae and hid its wings in that giant battery on its back.
Aw man, I'm going to miss that great neopolitan hair of his.
Albanion said before that some things never change; does Mab not enjoy these parental auctions?
Well they stole the soul, I suspect that the number would remain the same, but yea that Fae soul wouldn't be able to be auctioned off, because the cubi stole it....can't auction off what you don't got. If they destroyed the soul however, yea the number would go down.
Fae souls don't run the same way as other race souls work...save for probably the flaming pheonix types. They aren't really stealable.
Quote from: Jigsaw Forte on May 08, 2007, 09:14:33 PM... the poorly rendered breast is the LEAST of what scared me about that device!
...Good?
I had to mention it, because it could technically be considered NSFW.
The really scary bit, which I never noticed until today, is that it was patented in
1965.
Quote from: Xeksue on May 08, 2007, 09:35:48 PMWell they stole the soul, I suspect that the number would remain the same, but yea that Fae soul wouldn't be able to be auctioned off, because the cubi stole it....can't auction off what you don't got.
What if fae souls can escape the surly bonds of `cubi? (Also, what Amber ninja'd me with)
Edit: Upon further reflection, if they *are* like flaming phoenix, they'd probably just disappear as soon as they get auctioned off.
I bid $10 for the Fae soul!
I am guessing the auction is to pick parents? A couple bids on the soul and the winning couple gets to raise the new fae? I wonder what is bid, though. Creatures like the fae seem to have little use for money.
I'm starting to like Albanion. He seems to have something of an I'm-superior/smartass attitude, without the subdued loathing that Abel has. Kind of a kinder, gentler version. I'm also imagining him with an east-coast upper-class metrosexual voice, or possibly a Harvard accent.
Hmm, well this kind of raises an interesting question. If Fae souls are auctioned/recycled, what happens if two Fae bear a child and don't get a soul for it? Or is it impossible for them to have one without a soul. (I mean impossible as in no conception without a soul, not because some Fae patrol will burst through your ceiling and arrest you for creating a zombie baby.) :shifty
BRING ON THE BAD 70'S SCI-FI!
Quote from: Akisohida on May 08, 2007, 09:53:18 PMI am guessing the auction is to pick parents? A couple bids on the soul and the winning couple gets to raise the new fae? I wonder what is bid, though. Creatures like the fae seem to have little use for money.
What if it's like Logan's run, where the auction is more of a lottery? Or what if it's like Soylent Green, where food is rationed off (OK, food gets rationed off in other things, too, but they weren't bad 70's sci-fi)
Quote from: Xeksue on May 08, 2007, 09:54:43 PMnot because some Fae patrol will burst through your ceiling and arrest you for creating a zombie baby
You mean like in THX-1138?
They need to develop the concept of Ebay. Or would that be Faebay?
Quote from: Regal on May 08, 2007, 10:08:58 PMThey need to develop the concept of Ebay. Or would that be Faebay?
Well, Mab is partial to Me-Bay (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_107.php)...
Quote from: Akisohida on May 08, 2007, 09:53:18 PM
I bid $10 for the Fae soul!
I am guessing the auction is to pick parents? A couple bids on the soul and the winning couple gets to raise the new fae? I wonder what is bid, though. Creatures like the fae seem to have little use for money.
Well, in that context, of COURSE there's an auction - Everyone wants a baby, and you can bet with effectively immortal creatures that means that they'll have plenty of money accrued* to pay for 'em too!
* And by money we can assume some sort of Boons (ala Vampire: the Masquerade) count as currency even if the Fae have no use for normal money. The fae obviously have something they consider of worth to offer for these souls...
Ooh! I've got a question (rhetorical, so don't feel obligated to answer)!
What happens if a fae attains Nirvana? You know, freedom from the endless cycle of personal reincarnations? Are fae even allowed to be Buddhists? What happens if they try? Would that be some sort of crime?
Most Fae are pretty self-aware of what they are, so religion tends to never have a play in regards to Fae. They know that when they "die", they are gone for good...as they basically are giving up whatever they are in order to be recycled into a completly new personality. So pretty much they don't have a heaven or hell or religious afterlife to look forward to, just oblivion in exchange for a new individual to be born.
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 08, 2007, 10:35:52 PMMost Fae are pretty self-aware of what they are, so religion tends to never have a play in regards to Fae.
Ooh! Then I guess a fae becoming a Buddhist would be really offensive to the fae. :B
Anyways, I was more proposing a thought experiment--what happens if a fae actually attains Nirvana? Like, the soul is actually obliterated and goes into nothingness from whence it will never return? The fae dies, and they bring the soul to auction--but no soul?
What happens then?
(again, I'm just having fun--no need to respond)
Quote from: superluser on May 08, 2007, 10:46:56 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 08, 2007, 10:35:52 PMMost Fae are pretty self-aware of what they are, so religion tends to never have a play in regards to Fae.
Ooh! Then I guess a fae becoming a Buddhist would be really offensive to the fae. :B
Anyways, I was more proposing a thought experiment--what happens if a fae actually attains Nirvana? Like, the soul is actually obliterated and goes into nothingness from whence it will never return? The fae dies, and they bring the soul to auction--but no soul?
What happens then?
(again, I'm just having fun--no need to respond)
We don't know how souls work. If assuming that they're just a source of energy, a Fae gaining nirvana would just turn into the blank soul immediately. (in this sense, a Fae's soul is more akin to a more material person's physical being, constantly recycled in the circle of life..)
I'm more curious whether Fae reuse names on newly born Fae. It would explain why Fae in present times appear to have the same name as another fae in eons past, with a seemingly significantly different personality..
superluser. You are getting very close to being annoying, regardless of how much fun you are having. How can I put this in nice words...nothing would happen because it wouldnt work and Fae can't attain Nirvana? If you want to wax philosophical you can, but you are basically asking for a complete change of reality and physics just to suit your thought experiment.
As for the names, it isn't too uncommon for a Fae to name their kid with a slight nod to the previous Fae. But that tends to depend on whos and whats and a more personal basis.
Quote from: Manawolf on May 08, 2007, 08:58:06 PM
Quote from: Netami on May 08, 2007, 08:45:23 PM
Called it.
So did a few others. Typical Fae from other fantasy settings, thank goodness.
What other settings?
Almost anytime the Fae are referenced in conjunction with the whole Unseelie and Seelie courts, you know it's going to follow some basic guidelines. Raymond E Feist's "Faerie Tale" is a modern day tale of the fairy courts from Shakespeare's Midsummer Night's Dream and it's a good example of how the fae's life cycle works. The fairy queen, for example, was not always so and will not always be as her soul will eventually be reborn and her "part" in the grand play of things will be shifted to another soul. I'm not sure how Disney's Gargoyles handled the fae courts, but I imagine it would be similar.
Besides... wouldn't there need to be a Bhudda in order for bhuddism to exist?
Here's a thought, could there be a fae/ other furry (being, cubi, creature, angel) union that would not require the fae soul, or do fae exclusively have fae offspring?
I don't think there could be a Fae/X hybrid unless they had a soul for it, otherwise the offspring would just represent the X race. :shifty
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 08, 2007, 10:53:21 PMsuperluser. You are getting very close to being annoying, regardless of how much fun you are having. How can I put this in nice words...nothing would happen because it wouldnt work and Fae can't attain Nirvana? If you want to wax philosophical you can, but you are basically asking for a complete change of reality and physics just to suit your thought experiment.
I'm sorry. I'm not trying to be annoying. That's part of the reason that I keep insisting that you don't have to respond.
I enjoy reading sci-fi and fantasy because it allows me to enter a world where I can say things like, ``What if the world weren't the way it is? What if we changed this one thing? What would happen?'' For example, what would happen if you found a watch that allowed you to stop time? It would break all the physics we know and require a complete change of reality. But it would make a really ripping episode of The Twilight Zone.
Likewise, I'm not asking you to change anything about your physics or reality. I understand that the plot that I'm suggesting is completely incompatible with the furrae world. I'm just saying, wouldn't it make a great horror novel for fae? If fae don't like horror novels, then I'm sure it could be a great comedy for beings.
Quote from: Damaris on May 08, 2007, 11:00:42 PMBesides... wouldn't there need to be a Bhudda in order for bhuddism to exist?
I could argue that, but I think it would belong in the religion thread.
So it doesn't matter where a fae passes on? From reading demon 101 I was thinking that dying in the fae dimension would be more permanent.
Maybe Mab is trying to hurry so she can bid on her own parents? :aack
Wow, if she is doing that who's the lucky dad?
Quote from: Ouari on May 09, 2007, 12:07:12 AM
Wow, if she is doing that who's the lucky dad?
Dan, who else? Abel? :giggle
Hmmmm, well if the arc is called queen mab there might be a chance her parents have to do with the Fae monarchy too and that leaves Mab to become the new queen.
Quote from: AndersW on May 08, 2007, 09:30:20 PM
Cubi can steal souls. What would happen if a cubi stole a fae soul. Would the number of fae go down, or what?
The problem is how impossible that is. It can't happen, on principle. Incubi and succubi are or can become powerful, but not (world-shatteringly) powerful enough to somehow manage to subdue a fae who can likely summon epic disasters (read: tsunamis, thermonuclear yield explosions) at his or her side. Even then, there's the fact that the fae only truly dies when he or she feels like it.
Though a good guess is that the said incubus/succubus will instantly become a demigod tri-wing who can and probably might rule the world with his or her bare hands, given the implications of someone aspiring for such unnecessary power.
But then, that defeats the essence of trying to steal a fae's soul for power since you'd probably be not so much more powerful than you were before you started. In the end, it's just not worth it. Beings are easier prey by a long shot.Quote from: Ralanost on May 09, 2007, 12:05:38 AM
So it doesn't matter where a fae passes on?
What do you do with the lifeless body if it doesn't matter? Of course the fae would have to make funeral arrangements first.
Quote from: Amber WilliamsThere are pigeons on my balcony...
It's always difficult to concentrate on typing when there are pigeons on my balcony.
....Fat fat pigeons...
Pigeons are awesome, especially fat ones, it's a proven fact:
(http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/3/39/Goodfeathers.jpg)
... or maybe they're just stupid
that is all, have a nice day :)
It would be very akward for me to have to arrange my own funeral... Do fae do that or just kinda impulsive "Hmm, life is gettin kinda boring *blarg*. What happens when a fae dies but theres nobody around to know about it or anyone to care?! Does the soul just wander around aimlessly? Why would you want to die?! with a lifespan like that any of your problems can be worked out with time.
So many questions...
Also on a more OT note does it seem weird to anyone else the spelling of "funeral"?
Quote from: Rythak on May 09, 2007, 01:16:28 AM
It would be very akward for me to have to arrange my own funeral... Do fae do that or just kinda impulsive "Hmm, life is gettin kinda boring *blarg*. What happens when a fae dies but theres nobody around to know about it or anyone to care?! Does the soul just wander around aimlessly? Why would you want to die?! with a lifespan like that any of your problems can be worked out with time.
So many questions...
Also on a more OT note does it seem weird to anyone else the spelling of "funeral"?
Wouldn't they get bored someday of being that old...
Superluser, that was not meant to be a discussion point anyway. Having an imagination is fine, but for the love of god. Goodness knows we don't stay on topic, but the level of stupid speculation that occurs in this forum is astounding. I'm not calling you in particular stupid, mind, but going off on bizarre, tagental flights of fancy that are not even remotely based on anything AT ALL in DMFA don't help those who actually are cranially challanged. All it really does is annoy Amber, who gives even less information to the masses as a result.
Discuss the comic, but stop obsessing. It's. a. comic. Write fanfic if you really need to get some of this off your chest.
Quote from: Rythak on May 09, 2007, 01:16:28 AM
Also on a more OT note does it seem weird to anyone else the spelling of "funeral"?
Can't spell "slaughter" without "laughter" and ya can't spell "funeral" without "real fun."
You do the math.
Quote from: superluser on May 08, 2007, 10:46:56 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 08, 2007, 10:35:52 PMMost Fae are pretty self-aware of what they are, so religion tends to never have a play in regards to Fae.
Ooh! Then I guess a fae becoming a Buddhist would be really offensive to the fae. :B
Anyways, I was more proposing a thought experiment--what happens if a fae actually attains Nirvana? Like, the soul is actually obliterated and goes into nothingness from whence it will never return? The fae dies, and they bring the soul to auction--but no soul?
What happens then?
(again, I'm just having fun--no need to respond)
The idea that a fae could reach nirvana and cease to exist (entierly) presupposes that souls work that way in DMFA. From all evidence thus far, the soul doesn't seem to follow any cycle of death and rebirth. (except in the specific case of the fae and maybe phoenixes)
It seems much more likley that the souls in DMFA follow a more european afterlife cycle, going somewhere else after death. The presence of magic, alternate dimensions, demons, and angels seem to bear that out, though we havn't seen much on the cosmology of DMFA either.
I suppose we'll have to trick Amber into doing another donation drive for an afterlife and/or cosmology mini arc if we want conclusive proof. :3
Quote from: Rythak on May 09, 2007, 01:16:28 AM
Why would you want to die?! with a lifespan like that any of your problems can be worked out with time.
Solve one problem and you have two new ones to deal with. After a few hundred years of being swamped in problems, suicide looks like a good option.
Thats totally ignoring the fae point of view on it, to them suicide is going to be a very natural end and something they know there going to do from a young age.
Quote from: Kenji on May 09, 2007, 01:18:17 AM
Quote from: Rythak on May 09, 2007, 01:16:28 AM
Also on a more OT note does it seem weird to anyone else the spelling of "funeral"?
Can't spell "slaughter" without "laughter" and ya can't spell "funeral" without "real fun."
You do the math.
and Thats why people become evil, for the real fun laughter :mwaha
I have a few more idea on how Mab could become queen. The bloodline is one. But there is also the chance that the seat of Fae monarchy will be auctioned off to Mab so that the current monarch could become a parent.
For an Auction, I would imagine a lot of roles on Earth and in Faeland would be the things that are value. I have this much legal money and I own a huge business in secret. Would you like to go play that role it's all set up to go without any extra work on your part.
I thought that the speculations are roundabout attempts to find out more about DMFA Fae, but I guess not. Hopefully, this arc will answer some of those questions and provide more Shakespearian references.
In a side note, Shakespeare's Mab was said to have been influenced by a Celtic goddess fairy of the same name, so I'm curious if there will be Celtic references as well.
This suddenly clarifies a lot of the "mysteries" of the Fae entry in the Demo101 page. Great job, Albanion, you ruined the mysteries of the entire world in less than five minutes!
Hmm. Kinda seems like making dandelions able to grow in solid concrete.
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 08, 2007, 10:35:52 PM
Most Fae are pretty self-aware of what they are, so religion tends to never have a play in regards to Fae. They know that when they "die", they are gone for good...as they basically are giving up whatever they are in order to be recycled into a completly new personality. So pretty much they don't have a heaven or hell or religious afterlife to look forward to, just oblivion in exchange for a new individual to be born.
I'm suddenly very happy that I'm not a Fae.
Only thing that could kill of the fae would be what would happen if all fae decided at the same moment that it is time to go.
Quote from: Tsunari on May 09, 2007, 02:36:51 AM
Only thing that could kill of the fae would be what would happen if all fae decided at the same moment that it is time to go.
and then one fae ruins it for everyone and decides not to die... and then has to give birth to all the remaining fae... thus reshaping fae society as thier queen (or king? how would that work? never mind D: )
Lupus, Lupus, Lupus... I made you out of clay...
Lupus, Lupus, Lupus, with Lupus I shall Play...
Quote from: Roureem Egas on May 08, 2007, 08:19:31 PM
So...Mab's basically pimping out her parents? :B
That's a sentance I thought I'd never hear.
Quote from: Ink on May 09, 2007, 01:02:11 AM
What do you do with the lifeless body if it doesn't matter?
Burgers?
Soylent Pink are fairies! SOYLENT PINK ARE FAIRIES!
Quote from: King Of Hearts on May 09, 2007, 03:52:52 AM
Soylent Pink are fairies! SOYLENT PINK ARE FAIRIES!
I wouldnt eat a thing after that
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 08, 2007, 10:35:52 PM
Most Fae are pretty self-aware of what they are, so religion tends to never have a play in regards to Fae. They know that when they "die", they are gone for good...as they basically are giving up whatever they are in order to be recycled into a completly new personality. So pretty much they don't have a heaven or hell or religious afterlife to look forward to, just oblivion in exchange for a new individual to be born.
That's a pretty bleak outlook. Not that they have an awful lot of choice in the matter - besides not dying.
This does leave me wondering what would have happened if Dark Pegasus had succeeded in sacrificing Mab's soul, though. At a guess it would either have left the DMFA universe with one less Fae, or more likely whether it would have caused Mab to have been reborn with the Dark God's personality. Assuming of course that the Dark God does exist and isn't a figment of DP's religious fervour.
Quote from: Zedd on May 09, 2007, 04:26:30 AM
Quote from: King Of Hearts on May 09, 2007, 03:52:52 AM
Soylent Pink are fairies! SOYLENT PINK ARE FAIRIES!
I wouldnt eat a thing after that
lol, i'm really curious about that auction. Mab at least did a hasty departure. :mowmeep
Imagine Dan would follow her, enter the auction hall, waving to greet her/getting her attention and 'making' so the highest bid.... o_O
So...what if a non-fae couple were to win the auction? Would they be able to have a fae baby?
Quote from: Violet Dusk on May 09, 2007, 08:25:06 AM
So...what if a non-fae couple were to win the auction? Would they be able to have a fae baby?
It's probably taking place within the Fae realm where no-one else can get to it.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 09, 2007, 08:36:39 AMQuote from: Violet Dusk on May 09, 2007, 08:25:06 AMSo...what if a non-fae couple were to win the auction? Would they be able to have a fae baby?
It's probably taking place within the Fae realm where no-one else can get to it.
(well, fae or drakes)
Or they just don't allow non-fae to bid. Or the currency is something intrinsic that only fae have. Still, it's an interesting concept, and something that I will not speculate on here, since it would probably require altering the furrae reality.
Was Mab's first Hangout within the realm? That she blow up after getting her antennas zipped? Didn't remember properly if it really was another fae who got her there. *Forgive my maybe bad english, but since i'm german and the spellchecker is blocked at work... :rolleyes *
Quote from: Cemalidor on May 09, 2007, 09:27:38 AMWas Mab's first Hangout within the realm? That she blow up after getting her antennas zipped? Didn't remember properly if it really was another fae who got her there.
I'm off to work, so you'll have to find the strip, yourself, but I think the glen is just a physical place that she uses to access the fae realm.
Edit: I lied. Here's the strip (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_406.php).
Quote from: Wanderer on May 08, 2007, 08:28:03 PM
Quote from: Marmonstein on May 08, 2007, 08:22:54 PM
I wonder how the number was decided on. Did all the Fae just magically show up in the beginning?
No one knows. Or at least, Amber isn't telling. Fae may well be the least-understood race on Furrae. Not, I suspect, through lack of trying, but rather because no one can confirm that any of their "facts" are actually true, or just the result of some Fae playing a game.
But I could be wrong.
Like the Fae in the comic might be doing right now?
Say, maybe that's why Falina said this. . . (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_581.php)
Quote from: Zedd on May 09, 2007, 04:26:30 AM
Quote from: King Of Hearts on May 09, 2007, 03:52:52 AM
Soylent Pink are fairies! SOYLENT PINK ARE FAIRIES!
I wouldnt eat a thing after that
But years of sunshine and lollipop magic might make em taste pretty good!
Quote from: EspyLacopa on May 09, 2007, 09:32:54 AM
Quote from: Wanderer on May 08, 2007, 08:28:03 PM
Quote from: Marmonstein on May 08, 2007, 08:22:54 PM
I wonder how the number was decided on. Did all the Fae just magically show up in the beginning?
No one knows. Or at least, Amber isn't telling. Fae may well be the least-understood race on Furrae. Not, I suspect, through lack of trying, but rather because no one can confirm that any of their "facts" are actually true, or just the result of some Fae playing a game.
But I could be wrong.
Like the Fae in the comic might be doing right now?
Say, maybe that's why Falina said this. . . (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_581.php)
Here's a thought: Maybe the arc title is refering to Mab's previous life, rather than being about her becoming Queen. Heck, for all we know, the reason for Mab leaving the Fae Kingdom in the first place was fallout from her time as Queen Mab catching up with her in her current life.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 09, 2007, 05:10:34 AM
This does leave me wondering what would have happened if Dark Pegasus had succeeded in sacrificing Mab's soul, though. At a guess it would either have left the DMFA universe with one less Fae, or more likely whether it would have caused Mab to have been reborn with the Dark God's personality. Assuming of course that the Dark God does exist and isn't a figment of DP's religious fervour.
Now there's a good point. But we must note that Dark Pegasus had to perform a very complex ritual for this, thus it's not something one can do on an everyday basis. With the power a fae soul obviously posseses, it makes perfect sense that it'd be something needed to ressurect a Dark God. :3
There's another way Mab could become queen. And I don't mean by 'buying' the position. Nah, not gonna explain further. Could ruin the funny. ;) I'll simply mention the burden of thousands of years of reign.
I suppose death wouldn't mean anything in a world where souls of many beings are simply devoured every day. As long as their soul energy goes on, so does the fae race. But still, I must wonder why they would choose to die. They must be emo or something... either that or their world is really really boring. :P
Well I could think of a few reasons why they would choose death. If your death is basically whenever you will it to, then your essentially immortal. And once you reach a point where you've done practically anything and everything, and have complete understanding of all, death would be the only thing left. Having limitless understanding, you would be driven to boredom, and potentially insanity. Mabye Mab's parents are on the brink of insanity and are doing this because they don't want their power to become reckless and wild. >:3
What I find interesting is how casually Albanion reveals this 'secret of the Fae' to Jyrras. From what we've been told, this sort of info has never been known outside the Fae themselves, other beings or creatures don't know what happens when a fae 'dies' during a role, etc.
They knew that such fae seem to come back, after a while, but weren't sure if it was always, maybe, or whatever.
Now we suddenly have a fae leader chattily giving the exact fae census, and details of the fae life and death cycle, to Jyrras. And seems quite ready to answer other questions, too.
Quote from: Xeksue on May 09, 2007, 11:34:22 AM
Well I could think of a few reasons why they would choose death. If your death is basically whenever you will it to, then your essentially immortal. And once you reach a point where you've done practically anything and everything, and have complete understanding of all, death would be the only thing left. Having limitless understanding, you would be driven to boredom, and potentially insanity. Mabye Mab's parents are on the brink of insanity and are doing this because they don't want their power to become reckless and wild. >:3
Well, I don't know about that. Limitless understanding also means limitless creativity. We can't even begin to imagine what something with that level of intelligence could come up with. For imperfect beings to try and understand the mind of someone hypothetically 'perfect' is an exercise in futility.
At any rate, the Fae don't quite seem to have limitless understanding. Mab certainly hasn't been an obvious fountain of knowledge, and from what we've seen of them so far, they can be very forgetful. Now, an endless life with a limited mind... that could become tortuous after a while.
*Charline peeks in* Fae are dumb! Cubi rock! >:3 *she also suspects Ink of trying to steal a fae soul... in spite of his claims... to claim the throne of god in Furrae!* Ye shall not trick me, you Aizen-like evil one! :paranoid
Quote from: SkipSanders on May 09, 2007, 11:43:21 AM
What I find interesting is how casually Albanion reveals this 'secret of the Fae' to Jyrras. From what we've been told, this sort of info has never been known outside the Fae themselves, other beings or creatures don't know what happens when a fae 'dies' during a role, etc.
They knew that such fae seem to come back, after a while, but weren't sure if it was always, maybe, or whatever.
Now we suddenly have a fae leader chattily giving the exact fae census, and details of the fae life and death cycle, to Jyrras. And seems quite ready to answer other questions, too.
*Charline grins* Maybe he knows Jy doesn't have long to live. Indeed, perhaps someone is planning to devour the little snack-rat just a little way down the lane! >:3
Quote from: SkipSanders on May 09, 2007, 11:43:21 AM
What I find interesting is how casually Albanion reveals this 'secret of the Fae' to Jyrras. From what we've been told, this sort of info has never been known outside the Fae themselves, other beings or creatures don't know what happens when a fae 'dies' during a role, etc.
They knew that such fae seem to come back, after a while, but weren't sure if it was always, maybe, or whatever.
Now we suddenly have a fae leader chattily giving the exact fae census, and details of the fae life and death cycle, to Jyrras. And seems quite ready to answer other questions, too.
"Nobody ever asked before."
Quote from: Xeksue on May 09, 2007, 11:34:22 AM
once you reach a point where you've done practically anything and everything, and have complete understanding of all, death would be the only thing left. Having limitless understanding, you would be driven to boredom, and potentially insanity.
Dragons live for millions of years but don't seem to have this problem, though.
Quote from: Alondro on May 09, 2007, 11:22:12 AM
Now there's a good point. But we must note that Dark Pegasus had to perform a very complex ritual for this, thus it's not something one can do on an everyday basis. With the power a fae soul obviously posseses, it makes perfect sense that it'd be something needed to ressurect a Dark God. :3
It also stands to reason that if it is possible to resurrect a god by using a Fae soul as an energy source, someone else must have done this in order to develop the spells DP was going to use. I may be reading too much into the exact wording of Albanion's line but it seems to imply that the number is constant and unchanging, which suggests that DP wasn't intending to use her like some disposable battery.
On the other hand, if what he was intending to do was kill Mab like her parents are about to die, so that he can use her soul to create a new baby Fae -
without using parents - that also contains the Dark God's soul, I'd say that's also going to require some pretty nifty magic. >:3
QuoteI suppose death wouldn't mean anything in a world where souls of many beings are simply devoured every day.
Well, we don't really know how often that does happen in practice...
Quote from: Xeksue on May 09, 2007, 11:34:22 AM
Mabye Mab's parents are on the brink of insanity and are doing this because they don't want their power to become reckless and wild. >:3
.. more reckless and wild than it already is, given they've destroyed a restaurant over an aperitif?
Quote from: SkipSanders on May 09, 2007, 11:43:21 AM
Now we suddenly have a fae leader chattily giving the exact fae census, and details of the fae life and death cycle, to Jyrras. And seems quite ready to answer other questions, too.
... Assuming he's telling the truth.
it occurs to me that Albanion's revelation hasn't clued us in on any potential weaknesses of the Fae race. Sure, they could mass-suicide themselves into extinction, but then, so could any race, and unlike more mortal race, the Fae get to decide exactly when and where they want to die. It's slightly difficult to extinct a race when they can simply say "no, I'd rather not die right now."
I do want to attend one of those auctions, though. I remember getting dragged by the arm out of an auction once cause I...uh...got compeditive.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 09, 2007, 05:10:34 AM
This does leave me wondering what would have happened if Dark Pegasus had succeeded in sacrificing Mab's soul, though. At a guess it would either have left the DMFA universe with one less Fae, or more likely whether it would have caused Mab to have been reborn with the Dark God's personality. Assuming of course that the Dark God does exist and isn't a figment of DP's religious fervour.
Well one thought I had was that the 2.438,165 is the current total. This isn't to say that this has always been the total. Some souls could possibly have been destroyed between now and the begining of time. This would probably be almost impossible to do simply because of the unique nature of the Fae's soul. However while there is alot of power in a fae's soul I doubt anything like this would ever work and the risks of even trying this would be so high only the most desperate or power mad would even try. With the nature of Fae as they are removing even one soul from circulation has to be the worste crime one can commit against the fae. So anyone who tries would label themselves as public enemy number 1 to a race of creatures who can cause caticlysmic disasters when annoyed. However Dark Pegasus could have belived that his dark god would protect from the wrath of the fae.
Quote from: SkipSanders on May 09, 2007, 11:43:21 AM
What I find interesting is how casually Albanion reveals this 'secret of the Fae' to Jyrras. From what we've been told, this sort of info has never been known outside the Fae themselves, other beings or creatures don't know what happens when a fae 'dies' during a role, etc.
They knew that such fae seem to come back, after a while, but weren't sure if it was always, maybe, or whatever.
Now we suddenly have a fae leader chattily giving the exact fae census, and details of the fae life and death cycle, to Jyrras. And seems quite ready to answer other questions, too.
Well I think that it might be worth noting that when a fae chooses to die in a role and when they choose to Die so there soul can be recycled might very well be two differnt circumstances.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 09, 2007, 11:47:45 AM
Dragons live for millions of years but don't seem to have this problem, though.
Thats because they will die eventually and they know it. Just because they live for so long doesn't mean their perception of time is the same that of a being who will live for 100 years or so. A Fae though can just say no to its own death, theres no comfort for them that there time will eventually come no matter how far off that time may be. They have to face the reality that the only way they can die is through themselves. They can ignore it for the time being, but eventually it will be the only thing left once in their mind they have seen everything else.
This probably means Dark Pegasus' plan was doomed to fail anyways, because Mab would just "say no" to her own death. Amber stated that a fae soul is nigh unstealable. So unless DP could somehow convince Mab to just die so he could transfer her soul into the Dark God it wouldn't have worked imo.
Quote from: Alondro on May 09, 2007, 11:44:35 AM
At any rate, the Fae don't quite seem to have limitless understanding. Mab certainly hasn't been an obvious fountain of knowledge, and from what we've seen of them so far, they can be very forgetful. Now, an endless life with a limited mind... that could become tortuous after a while.
I probably should have worded that differently. :)
What I meant is that eventually a Fae would reach some level of understanding where theres nothing left, nothing new, not even your own creativity can suffice because you've reached your own limits of everything you know. Kind of like the old line "Now I've seen everything" then later the guy offs himself. I suppose the rate of which this happens is determined by personality.
Now certainly Mab is not exactly a fountain of knowledge, her last recycling happened somewhat recently since it appears she grew up with Dan in his childhood (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_558.php). This version of her is nowhere close to reaching the point where she would be driven to offing herself.
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 08, 2007, 10:35:52 PM
Most Fae are pretty self-aware of what they are, so religion tends to never have a play in regards to Fae. They know that when they "die", they are gone for good...as they basically are giving up whatever they are in order to be recycled into a completly new personality. So pretty much they don't have a heaven or hell or religious afterlife to look forward to, just oblivion in exchange for a new individual to be born.
I'm sorry but that doesn't sound satisfying for me. A "soul" is a very convenient word, but if all of their personality, unique traits and memories vanish into oblivion, what exactly is that part that "stays" then? Apart from the number. And how makes it the Fae to stay so calm about death? I'm not a Fae, but if a good friend of mine were to lose all of his memories irreversibly, at least I would freak out quite a bit...
Quote from: Marmonstein on May 08, 2007, 08:22:54 PM
I wonder how the number was decided on. Did all the Fae just magically show up in the beginning?
It's obviously the number of milliseconds Amber spent watching pidgeons during the creation of this strip :P
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 09, 2007, 11:47:45 AM
Quote from: Xeksue on May 09, 2007, 11:34:22 AM
once you reach a point where you've done practically anything and everything, and have complete understanding of all, death would be the only thing left. Having limitless understanding, you would be driven to boredom, and potentially insanity.
Dragons live for millions of years but don't seem to have this problem, though.
Well, at least from a mathematical point of view, there is a big difference between "a few millions" and the eight-on-the-belly.
Or to pull up an IMO fitting quote about infinity:
"Imagine a planet the size of thousands of suns. Imagine another planet, on the other side of the universe. Every billion years, a little bird will start its journey from the second planet to the first. After it has managed to cross the lightyears between the planets, it will sharpen its beak on the surface of the planet and then fly back. When the planet has crumbled down to dust under the beak-sharpings, infinity has barely begun..."...in any case, one quest Mab doesn't seem to have mastered yet in her who-knows-how-many decades of life is to make good brownies. So work is still to do... 8)
Quote from: 127.0.0.2 on May 09, 2007, 03:11:03 PM
I'm sorry but that doesn't sound satisfying for me. A "soul" is a very convenient word, but if all of their personality, unique traits and memories vanish into oblivion, what exactly is that part that "stays" then? Apart from the number. And how makes it the Fae to stay so calm about death? I'm not a Fae, but if a good friend of mine were to lose all of his memories irreversibly, at least I would freak out quite a bit...
Well I think the memories, the traits, personality, etc. are all bound to the particular body a said soul is in at the moment. The soul itself, is the energy itself, the part that binds it all together. In a soulless zombie, there's nothing to bind all of these traits together, all thats absolute is basic instinct, to eat and survive, which overwhelmingly overrides any other trait that might surface for a second or two.
Granted I'm not an expert on zombies and souls, its what I think the situation is. :8ball
*Charles hmms* The fae bodies then become the undead race? ;)
That or become the subtance for sugary sweets >:]
Quote from: Xeksue on May 09, 2007, 03:28:29 PM
Quote from: 127.0.0.2 on May 09, 2007, 03:11:03 PM
I'm sorry but that doesn't sound satisfying for me. A "soul" is a very convenient word, but if all of their personality, unique traits and memories vanish into oblivion, what exactly is that part that "stays" then? Apart from the number. And how makes it the Fae to stay so calm about death? I'm not a Fae, but if a good friend of mine were to lose all of his memories irreversibly, at least I would freak out quite a bit...
Well I think the memories, the traits, personality, etc. are all bound to the particular body a said soul is in at the moment. The soul itself, is the energy itself, the part that binds it all together. In a soulless zombie, there's nothing to bind all of these traits together, all thats absolute is basic instinct, to eat and survive, which overwhelmingly overrides any other trait that might surface for a second or two.
Granted I'm not an expert on zombies and souls, its what I think the situation is. :8ball
Even then, what would make soul A different from soul B then, so to speak? Or more concrete, what would make the pieces of magic energy the souls "of Mab's parents" if everything that defined them was stripped from them at death?
Quote from: 127.0.0.2 on May 09, 2007, 03:11:03 PM
I'm sorry but that doesn't sound satisfying for me. A "soul" is a very convenient word, but if all of their personality, unique traits and memories vanish into oblivion, what exactly is that part that "stays" then?
What she's saying reminds me of P. F. Hamilton, actually. In the
Night's Dawn trilogy, souls are essentially an energy field which is encoded with the personality data and memories which are stored off-plane... it's just part of the way the universe works. When something creates a rift, the souls of the long-dead pour through and begin possessing the living... but I digress.
If we assume that DMFA works in a similar way, it would basically mean that the Fae's soul is being erased so that the energy field can be re-encoded with another set of personality data. Of course that's just a guess. Precisely what Amber's conception of souls in DMFA is, only she knows - and at one point she said she wasn't telling (IIRC).
QuoteAnd how makes it the Fae to stay so calm about death? I'm not a Fae, but if a good friend of mine were to lose all of his memories irreversibly, at least I would freak out quite a bit...
I'd go with that. Still, takes all sorts to make a universe...
Quote
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 09, 2007, 11:47:45 AM
Dragons live for millions of years but don't seem to have this problem, though.
Well, at least from a mathematical point of view, there is a big difference between "a few millions" and the eight-on-the-belly.
I could be wrong, but didn't the dragons get there
before the Fae?
**EDIT**
(This is actually unclear.)
Quote from: 127.0.0.2 on May 09, 2007, 03:11:03 PM
I'm sorry but that doesn't sound satisfying for me.
It shouldn't. In many ways its a very grim reality. I guess in a sense its rather atheistic, though with the knowledge that even though you yourself will cease to exist, someone completly new will begin.
I should add though that ...Albanion has more than likely misused the word soul. Much like how both the Demon and Angel race are lacking their religious ties, odds are soul was just a word that was the closest thing Jyrras could comprehend without another 2 pages of details.
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 09, 2007, 03:52:48 PM
Quote from: 127.0.0.2 on May 09, 2007, 03:11:03 PM
I'm sorry but that doesn't sound satisfying for me.
It shouldn't. In many ways its a very grim reality. I guess in a sense its rather atheistic, though with the knowledge that even though you yourself will cease to exist, someone completly new will begin.
I should add though that ...Albanion has more than likely misused the word soul. Much like how both the Demon and Angel race are lacking their religious ties, odds are soul was just a word that was the closest thing Jyrras could comprehend without another 2 pages of details.
But they need details to hypothesize for another few days till more updates! Then more hypothesizing! :mwaha To a degree, I don't know how you can stand these boards sometimes amber.
Remember people, as far as what has been stated so far, only fae get to go to the fae plane, no others! No interplanar auctioning of souls! There has to be a quarantine or something....
So, I guess adventuring and most of life would be boring for the Fae Folk, with zero risk to life and limb, thus why Mab doesn't join Daniel on his quests.
Interesting to see an atheistic world. That would explain the lack of cursing in Lost Lake and all, considering a culture has to hold something sacred to blaspheme. "Frig" is more of a proximate to a word referring to copulation (Which I presume Mab uses simply culturally since it seems the asexual reproduction of Fae would render that activity purely optional [Of course, then one must think about Neni and Azlan, as Neni seems non-fae, and thus either A) any product would be Non-Fae unless Azlan wins a FaeSoul, or B) they end up childfree due to Azlan's asexual/nonsexual species]), and the other "dirty words" have all been associated with anatomy or waste products. I could go through the entire archive to look for instances of Hell or Damn. #43 has a bleep from Mab which could either be a "damn" or a reference to copulation. Though the canon of the strips before the Journey to the Twink Territories is sketchy.
ah well.
And then there's the F-bombs in Abel's. :<
Err, yeah. Really. Speculation is all well and good, I suppose, but :erk sometimes you guys go so far out on tangents I'm baffled how you got there. Aaaanyway, I don't think Albanion is being devious or anything, my theory is he's being used as an indirect way of telling *us* what is going on. I'd also say that expecting all kinds of answers this early on in an arc is rather... hasty? I'm willing to wait and see. 8)
I wonder if this recycling is 100% or is some fraction lost to magical entropy?
Quote from: Xeksue on May 09, 2007, 11:34:22 AMHaving limitless understanding, you would be driven to boredom, and potentially insanity.
Lady Wortley Montague said, upon dying, ``It's all been very interesting.'' Winston Churchill, not to be outdone, reportedly said, ``I am bored with it all.'' I suppose these are two of the reasons which you might have to die.
Quote from: Xeksue on May 09, 2007, 02:48:27 PMThis probably means Dark Pegasus' plan was doomed to fail anyways, because Mab would just "say no" to her own death.
Unless you could force her into some sort of checkmate where she would have to sacrifice herself for the greater good.
Quote from: 127.0.0.2 on May 09, 2007, 03:11:03 PMEvery billion years, a little bird will start its journey from the second planet to the first.
I prefer the James Joyce version. That one was a doozy.
Quote from: Azlan on May 09, 2007, 07:07:21 PMI wonder if this recycling is 100% or is some fraction lost to magical entropy?
An interesting question. If that were the case, that fraction would have to be recovered during the fae's life, or else the souls would get...smaller. Or possibly less well-defined.
Quote from: Gildedtongue on May 09, 2007, 04:34:16 PM
So, I guess adventuring and most of life would be boring for the Fae Folk, with zero risk to life and limb, thus why Mab doesn't join Daniel on his quests.
Interesting to see an atheistic world. That would explain the lack of cursing in Lost Lake and all, considering a culture has to hold something sacred to blaspheme. "Frig" is more of a proximate to a word referring to copulation (Which I presume Mab uses simply culturally since it seems the asexual reproduction of Fae would render that activity purely optional [Of course, then one must think about Neni and Azlan, as Neni seems non-fae, and thus either A) any product would be Non-Fae unless Azlan wins a FaeSoul, or B) they end up childfree due to Azlan's asexual/nonsexual species]), and the other "dirty words" have all been associated with anatomy or waste products. I could go through the entire archive to look for instances of Hell or Damn. #43 has a bleep from Mab which could either be a "damn" or a reference to copulation. Though the canon of the strips before the Journey to the Twink Territories is sketchy.
ah well.
Amber didn't say that the land of Furrae has no dieties, simply that the Fae themselves are an embodiment of the pinnacle of Athiestic conceptualism. Given that DMFA originally took place on Furcadia, and Furcadia
does have a form of pantheon, I don't see that the land of Furrae
can't have dieties. Ultimately, it's Amber's decision whether the powers-that-be are omnipotent, omniscient, immortal, or if the highest powers around are just whatever Creatures and Beings happen to be nearby.
I do note, of course, that in the "cast" page, Amber and Fluffy are listed under the title, "Gods," so if nothing else, they've got a deranged artist and her pet...fluffball...
On the topic of Fae copulation, I suspect they do it just like the rest of us, but it doesn't "take" if they don't have a soul for the baby.
Quote from: Azlan on May 09, 2007, 07:07:21 PM
I wonder if this recycling is 100% or is some fraction lost to magical entropy?
Oh my, but that would suck if you couldn't replenish it somehow.
Quote from: Xeksue on May 09, 2007, 03:28:29 PM
Granted I'm not an expert on zombies and souls, its what I think the situation is. :8ball
(http://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/superluser/dontshakeamber.jpg)
Quote from: Fuyudenki on May 09, 2007, 08:39:45 PMAmber didn't say that the land of Furrae has no dieties, simply that the Fae themselves are an embodiment of the pinnacle of Athiestic conceptualism.
Did she even say that? The closest that she said was that it was ``rather atheistic.'' That doesn't necessarily exclude non-god religions, like Taoism or Confucianism or Shinto.
Quote from: Fuyudenki on May 09, 2007, 08:39:45 PMhttp://i158.photobucket.com/albums/t102/superluser/dontshakeamber.jpg
D'oh! That was a throwaway gag. If you enjoy it, feel free to use it, but I suspect that it will get old, fast.
I find it kind of funny that theres a :8ball emote. I used to have an eightball once.....but it broke for reasons unknown.... :shifty
As far as DP trying to force Mab into a situation where she would willingly die for the greater good, yeah I could see that possibly happening. Such as:
DP:Mab, let me use your soul, or all your friends die.
Mab:*hmmm* You better keep your word.
*Mab dies, Dark God is rezzed*
Dark God:Thank you DP. Now I'm going to kill everything because yeah, I'm evil and stuff. Later.
The point is that if you think it through no situation would the greater good be that Mab die, because DP can always go back on his word once the balls in his court. And yeah, Dark God, evil, stuff. I could see Mab playing the martyr though, just because its what any hero would do, die for the ones they loved.
wait, you're right, aren't you? Right, then, the Fae lifecycle is rather Athiestic in nature, not the pinnacle of Athiestic conceptualization.
and I was just milking the "Never shake Amber" thing. If I wasn't feeling lazy, I'd have grabbed the animated one.
Of course, I could always ressurect this monstrosity (http://www.landrymanor.com/ragefactor/deebswuvs.jpg), if you'd prefer.
Quote from: Fuyudenki on May 09, 2007, 08:39:45 PM
Amber didn't say that the land of Furrae has no dieties, simply that the Fae themselves are an embodiment of the pinnacle of Athiestic conceptualism. Given that DMFA originally took place on Furcadia, and Furcadia does have a form of pantheon, I don't see that the land of Furrae can't have dieties. Ultimately, it's Amber's decision whether the powers-that-be are omnipotent, omniscient, immortal, or if the highest powers around are just whatever Creatures and Beings happen to be nearby.
That makes me wonder what dream in Furcadia DMFA was based on originally.
Quote from: 127.0.0.2 on May 09, 2007, 03:11:03 PM
I'm sorry but that doesn't sound satisfying for me. A "soul" is a very convenient word, but if all of their personality, unique traits and memories vanish into oblivion, what exactly is that part that "stays" then? Apart from the number. And how makes it the Fae to stay so calm about death? I'm not a Fae, but if a good friend of mine were to lose all of his memories irreversibly, at least I would freak out quite a bit...
I am not a state i am a process.
If i am ended, and a perfect duplicate is created it is not me.
If all the information is removed from me, but the process continues i am still me.
Personality and memory are just information, not self.
I think this discussion is smarter than me.
Its smarter than Yogi bear :3
Quote from: Tsunari on May 09, 2007, 09:34:27 PM
That makes me wonder what dream in Furcadia DMFA was based on originally.
Lost Lake, obviously.
My brother once held a spot for the uploader.
*Charline yawns* Well, it's obvious that we cubi are superior. We realize how important we are and thus would never even dream of letting ourselves die! Why, I can't imagine the world without me in it. It would be cruel to allow other lifeforms to exist in a bland world without cubi like me... so I'll make sure to have a wormhole weapon ready in case I'm ever mortally wounded. *when Charline does 'scorched earth', she does it thoroughly* >:3
Charlene sounds like the kind of person cubi I would rather have aimed at enemies than at myself. I shall have to make a note of that.
its been asked if enrophy happens when a fey dies, but what if it dosent? what if a fey just keeps increasing this 'soul' bit by bit every time its reborn? could someday the fey boast members ten times as powerful as any demon, angel, or cubi known?
however the thing that sticks in my mind is Mabb going "
SOULS! GETCHER SOULS HERE! FRESH AND HOT FROM THE CORPSE! you there young woman, you look like you have a lot of sex..."
theres something so wrong about that.
Quoteit takes all the guesswork out of cooking souls
It's odd as soon as you said that I pictured Mab talking to a nice Fae couple
"Yes I'll let you have both right nowfor free but you have to do one thing... Ground them... Alot. And I mean alot lot okay?"
"He He He that'll teach them not to give me that tricycle I wanted when I was 4"
Edit:
You know I just had a rather bizare thought...
Realy TGH you had a Strange thought...
Yeah I know weird isn't it.
Anywayfor some reason my mind startedtrying to work out how Fae explain the facts of life to there young.
"Mommy Where Do baby Fae come from?"
"Aww My little man is growing up."
"Aww for petes sake Marge he's 43, stop babying him."
"Well son You see when two Fae love each other very much and want to have a family they check the local obituaries. Then they have to talk to the children of the dead fae's so they can buy a soul to make a new baby.
"Wow Mommy thats kinda creepy"
Here is anouther thought I had... Do to the unique nature of Fae reproduction could a Sam sex fae couple have a baby? Or even a single mom?
Quote from: Brunhidden da Muse on May 10, 2007, 01:22:33 AM
its been asked if enrophy happens when a fey dies, but what if it dosent? what if a fey just keeps increasing this 'soul' bit by bit every time its reborn? could someday the fey boast members ten times as powerful as any demon, angel, or cubi known?
I think the Fae are generally already at least ten times as powerful, individually, as your average angel/cubi/demon.
Quote
however the thing that sticks in my mind is Mabb going "SOULS! GETCHER SOULS HERE! FRESH AND HOT FROM THE CORPSE! you there young woman, you look like you have a lot of sex..."
theres something so wrong about that.
Quoteit takes all the guesswork out of cooking souls
The wrong is what makes it funny! You and TGH. Funny guys.
Quote from: thegayhare on May 10, 2007, 01:26:35 AM
Here is another thought I had... Do to the unique nature of Fae reproduction could a Same sex fae couple have a baby? Or even a single mom?
Single moms have babies all the time. Surely you're aware of that? :-]
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on May 10, 2007, 03:34:22 AM
Quote from: thegayhare on May 10, 2007, 01:26:35 AM
Here is another thought I had... Do to the unique nature of Fae reproduction could a Same sex fae couple have a baby? Or even a single mom?
Single moms have babies all the time. Surely you're aware of that? :-]
*Charles nods* Budding yeast cells! :B
There is also that one species of lizard that is all female and reproduces asexually, laying eggs which can hatch without fertilization. I'd really like to know how the heck that managed to come about, considering the number of genes that would have to come into play to overcome the meiotic pathway in gametes. :B
What would happen if the soul was bought by a non-fae couple, and then raised up ? Would the parents become 'honarary' fae, and would the child be fae or not ?
Quote from: kaskar on May 10, 2007, 08:03:26 AM
What would happen if the soul was bought by a non-fae couple, and then raised up ? Would the parents become 'honarary' fae, and would the child be fae or not ?
Whether it could be done at all depends on the actual Fae reproductive process, and whether it's technically feasible for non-Fae to access the auctions, let alone bid in them.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 10, 2007, 08:06:25 AMWhether it could be done at all depends on the actual Fae reproductive process, and whether it's technically feasible for non-Fae to access the auctions, let alone bid in them.
You may have missed my edit. Look at 417 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_417.php) and 418 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_418.php). It seems to show that Pip was completely in the fae realm, and that Dan might have been able to be there, as well.
That being given, It sounds unlikely that non-fae could bid in those auctions for a variety of reasons. Still, I recall with fondness various sitcoms where someone stumbles into an auction and accidentally agrees to pay something that he cannot afford.
Quote from: superluser on May 10, 2007, 09:12:31 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 10, 2007, 08:06:25 AMWhether it could be done at all depends on the actual Fae reproductive process, and whether it's technically feasible for non-Fae to access the auctions, let alone bid in them.
You may have missed my edit. Look at 417 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_417.php) and 418 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_418.php). It seems to show that Pip was completely in the fae realm, and that Dan might have been able to be there, as well.
I'm assuming that is Mab's own private realm, or an isolated part of the larger realm. I kind of doubt that Mab would turn the cupboard into a way for any passing adventurer to get root access to the entire Fae Kingdom and plunder it. >:3
Besides which, it used to be a glen full of tourists - even more vulnerable.
... with a sun making funny faces. Don't forget the sun. :-]
... In fact, it probably still has the Sun making funny faces at it, despite being in a closet in the basement. That'd be Mab all over. *grin*
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 10, 2007, 11:29:24 AMI'm assuming that is Mab's own private realm, or an isolated part of the larger realm. I kind of doubt that Mab would turn the cupboard into a way for any passing adventurer to get root access to the entire Fae Kingdom and plunder it.
I thought you were suggesting that non-fae couldn't physically enter the fae realm (which appears to be what Mab linked to the closet). Which appears not to be the case. As to whether they can get from Mab's area to the auction, that is indeed another question.
We, however, don't know if only Mab can open the link. Maybe when Dan opens the door, it's a closet, but he can still follow Mab in. Or maybe Alexsi is slowly shrinking Dan's livable area, and he'll be sleeping standing up in the space around the door next week.
Quote from: superluser on May 10, 2007, 11:42:27 AM
I thought you were suggesting that non-fae couldn't physically enter the fae realm (which appears to be what Mab linked to the closet). Which appears not to be the case.
No, that hadn't occurred to me. I suspect they can - the glen would tend to suggest that - but the difficult part for non-Fae is going to be finding a link to the realm so they can actually get to the auction. A 'Cubi might be able to do it with a Warp-Aci, though.
QuoteWe, however, don't know if only Mab can open the link. Maybe when Dan opens the door, it's a closet, but he can still follow Mab in.
"Mab, can you come out of the Fae Realm please? I need to get my shoes..."
what if the Fae are killing other Fae as a matter of religion, rather than for magical reasons?
e.g. Unless a momma Fae drinks the blood/life-force of the previous Fae, their child will have no soul.
Perhaps the Fae beleive If a child is born without a soul it must be dawn of the dead evil etc.
There is some speculation that the human soul weighs 28 grams based on research conducted over the Centuries. They have weighed human bodies before and after capitol(?) punishment and the difference in body mass(including waste) is 28 grams.
What kind of capital punishment? I've heard that death by suffocation causes the body to expel waste, and decapitation does separate the head from the body. And in general, I'd guess the loss of weight is probably due to air not being in the lungs.
I guess I'm morbid and depressing when I'm tired. :/
I'm fairly sure (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_601.php) it's static, though it's Fae magic, so admittedly, it might work as a real closet when Mab isn't home. If that's the case, though, I don't see the reason for her moving all of his shoes under his bed.
Quote from: Roureem Egas on May 10, 2007, 12:38:51 PM
What kind of capital punishment? I've heard that death by suffocation causes the body to expel waste, and decapitation does separate the head from the body. And in general, I'd guess the loss of weight is probably due to air not being in the lungs.
I guess I'm morbid and depressing when I'm tired. :/
I'd agree with you, except I think weighing air is free, as it's neutral density with the stuff around it. Air has weight in a vacuum, but I don't think it adds anything to an object which is also surrounded by air.
Experiment! Try weighing a balloon when it's empty, then inflate it and weigh it again when it's full of air.
Looking back, it'll probably be a bit heavier, due to combination increased pressure, and condensation from your breath. Interesting.
This REALLY screws up the fae pornfics, though, doesn't it?
Nah. No kids, but we can bang all we like...
Fairly obvious. Doesn't change a thing as far as the pornfics are concerned - it's not like they take not of reality anyway...
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 10, 2007, 11:52:25 AMQuoteWe, however, don't know if only Mab can open the link. Maybe when Dan opens the door, it's a closet, but he can still follow Mab in.
"Mab, can you come out of the Fae Realm please? I need to get my shoes..."
Ha!
What I was suggesting was more along the lines of Mab being able to open or close the link at will, but if it's open, anything can get in. Kind of like a door.I would think that the fae would like to be able to isolate themselves every once in a while.
I'm still trying to grasp the idea of them auctioning off a king and queen's soul. What's the starting bid?...is there a Buy out? >:3
Quote from: multani82 on May 10, 2007, 07:34:54 PM
I'm still trying to grasp the idea of them auctioning off a king and queen's soul. What's the starting bid?...is there a Buy out? >:3
We don't
know that Mab's parents are royalty, but we are
speculating it. Big difference :raspberry
Quote from: multani82 on May 10, 2007, 07:34:54 PM
I'm still trying to grasp the idea of them auctioning off a king and queen's soul.
That would be high treason, wouldn't it?
Quote from: techmaster-glitch on May 10, 2007, 07:51:52 PM
We don't know that Mab's parents are royalty, but we are speculating it. Big difference :raspberry
Heh, my bet is that Mab's parents are actually theives and have finally been caught and are being executed. There not normal theives though, they're the kind that call ahead that they are going to rob them so they can put their security systems to shame. Graceful theives if you will. :mwaha
Quote from: Amber Williams on May 09, 2007, 03:52:48 PMI should add though that ...Albanion has more than likely misused the word soul. Much like how both the Demon and Angel race are lacking their religious ties, odds are soul was just a word that was the closest thing Jyrras could comprehend without another 2 pages of details.
...which, I presume, Albanion would've found too tediously boring to bother doing? :mowwink
It seems that the essence ( soul? ) of each fae that dies is of equal worth, from the lowest to the highest fae. Therefore, the auction bid worth should be all on an equal worth too, unless the seller decides otherwise. ( e.g. family use )
You've obviously never been to an auction. The worth doesn't depend on what the seller wants, but how badly the buyers want something, and how much money/product of worth they have accessible to them.
In the term, the worth of the essence, ( soul ), this is merely what is termed as the reserve price. The amount that the auctioneer, ( this varies with the skill and experience of the auctioneer, plus other variables ), gets out of the crazed bidders, minus the auctioneers commision. The worth, and the final bid price are two different entities ...
Then learn to type clearly. No one understands what you are saying. Pretty much ever.