The Clockwork Mansion

CLONK, I say, CLONK!

DRAGONS!!

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

Im surpizes she didnt leave him brusies

Hooray for future plots.

MMkay.  Answers! And as it says, more questions!  So, how does Pyro fit into this.  Is he on Dan's side, or is he on the other Dragons' side?  Is what he said about Dan's grandson true?  Since Pyro's not taken any action against Dan in the months he's been in Lost Lake(which would have given him ample time to do so), I'm guessing he has a major part to play, but in Dan's defense. 

Destania knows.  She's likely in sporadic contact with SAIA.  Then it means Fa'Lina knew.  And thus Abel?  It does at least fully explain Abel's reaction to Pyro. But then...

*stops self as brain hurts*  Later.  Wait and See.

Congratulations Amber, my mind hurts from possibility processing overload.  Not many people can claim that.  This could LITERALLY go anywhere.

-Nar

Quote from: Narethlian on December 19, 2006, 02:21:39 AM
Destania knows.  She's likely in sporadic contact with SAIA.  Then it means Fa'Lina knew.  And thus Abel?  It does at least fully explain Abel's reaction to Pyro. But then...

And we still got Fi who is probably on the way to see Fa'Lina if not already there. o_O

There is only one thing that can be said in response to this.

>:3

Aha! It's another dragon conspiracy - just like the liberal news media conspiracy and the UFO conspiracy!

I know the ancient living races tend to become knowledge buffs (what else is there to do when you have millenia to live), but do they have to become so evil in the process of learning the workings of the world and growing cold and calculating in their old age?

I'll just echo Nareth's first bit and say Biggs has no idea of Pryoduck's identity.

Wow! That was the most exposition I've ever seen in one of Amber's comics before!  Yay, Exposition.
Wait, maybe not.  It just seems that way  :erk

As Narethlian pointed out, this will open a whole new can of worms.  and also make WikuWiki members scramble to post this information.  And since P-duck hasn't acted, or no other dragons have bombarded Lost Lake, we can assume that he doesn't give a hoot.  Not to mention Alexi would skin him alive if he did.  :kruger

...and Wildy will beat this information out of Biggs, tell Dan, Dan will go on an adventure with everyone, and save his dad from certain doom!  :mwaha

hmm... cubi, dragons, plan...

All of a sudden, Pyroduck's presence is starting to seem very T800 to me.

"Come with me if you want to live." >:3

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Dan: You're not here to kill me - I figured out that for myself. So what's the deal?
Pyroduck: My mission is to protect you.
Dan: Yeah? Who sent you?
Pyroduck: You did. 35 years from now you reprogrammed me to be your protector here - in this time.
Dan: This is deep...

(yay for IMBD)

Quote from: Narethlian on December 19, 2006, 02:21:39 AM
Destania knows.  She's likely in sporadic contact with SAIA.  Then it means Fa'Lina knew.  And thus Abel?  It does at least fully explain Abel's reaction to Pyro. But then...

*stops self as brain hurts*  Later.  Wait and See.

Considering Abel's face-to-face reactions to Pyro (and not initially hunting him down before),  I say Abel didn't know. Aary almost realized but was distracted (excellent strategy, distracting her with a cubi question :mowninja). Fa'lina probably didn't know (until Fi was sent), otherwise she might have given Abel specific orders one way or another. And I also doubt Dee knows his race (or even his name as a mere resident or visitor). He's been keeping a low profile as far as I've seen.

So, wait.

What does this make Pyroduck?

I suspect that Destania knows about Pyro from when they were last in Twink Territories, either from seeing him with Dan herself, or from the guy (affiliated with Biggs) who sold Pyro the map.  Or from Alexsi.

That must mean that Pyro isn't a threat to Dan, and Destania knows it.

Now, what do we have here.  Dragons have kidnapped Edward, so this is presumably *not* simply a `cubi thing.  They want to kill Ed, for unspecified reasons, so it's probably not a ransom kidnapping.  If Dan's posterity really does hold a great leader, then it's likely that Alexsi's mother was killed by them, too.

The issue is that they must make sure that the significant other isn't pregnant, and that's probably why he's still alive--to find out where Destania is.

Now, if I were Edward, and I was told that my child was fated to be a great leader but that people were trying to prevent him from being born, then I would probably start heading out for some prostitutes.

Of course, if a legendary creature known for trying to have sex with people popped up in my bar, I might try that, too.  This would explain his behavior in 297 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_297.php).  This probably means that Alexsi doesn't know what's going on.

Let's look at this from the other side, now.  Both Abel and Aary know about the Dragon/Dan thing.  Even though *neither* of them knew that Dan existed.  To them, this must be a Cyra clan thing, since Aaryanna is a feline succubus, and Abel *didn't* say ``there's no way she's let a dragon go anywhere near *her*.''  Alternate explanations: it could be Dan's age, or his sex, or the fact that he's a `cubi/being hybrid.  The latter two are also true of Abel, but Abel was talking about the past.

Perhaps the `assignment' that Destania left on was to find Edward and have a child by him.  It wouldn't explain why she didn't come back. 

Presumably, Aary, as an older student who started early at SAIA, would have been told about the plan to have Edward Ti'Fiona's son if Abel were told about it.  If Aary knew that Dee had left to find and Edward Ti'Fiona, and then found out that the life of Destania had ended at the hands of a Daniel Ti'Fiona, she would probably have looked into it a little deeper, especially since she would have had a lead back at the academy.

And since Abel seems to know about the importance of Edward Ti'Fiona's son, the information must have come out either in his private tutoring or after Aary left.

I can see it now--the dragons attack SAIA, expecting to find Destania returned, but she's not there.  Rumors start spreading about why Dee left, and shortly the truth comes out.

Oh, and once again, I must say that if Destania had had contact with SAIA, she would have told them about Dan.  Furthermore, 25 years is enough time to find a way to establish contact if you really want to.  She either didn't want SAIA to know, or she felt that such information being known at SAIA would have been unsafe.

(Whew!  Musta been the double martini talking.  Doesn't the wormwood melange give you hallucinations?)

...Oh, and since Amber said that she was going to save the final two bonus strips for the same week, does this mean that we're gomma have 6 strips this week? :boogie

Quote from: superluser on December 19, 2006, 03:35:12 AM
Of course, if a legendary creature known for trying to have sex with people popped up in my bar, I might try that, too.

Erm, Since when do they do that?

Quote from: superluser on December 19, 2006, 03:35:12 AM
or the fact that he's a `cubi/being hybrid.

There's no such thing as a cubi/being hybrid.

Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on December 19, 2006, 03:51:20 AM

Quote from: superluser on December 19, 2006, 03:35:12 AM
Of course, if a legendary creature known for trying to have sex with people popped up in my bar, I might try that, too.

Erm, Since when do they do that?

Do what?  Show up in bars (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_297.php)?

Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on December 19, 2006, 03:51:20 AM

Quote from: superluser on December 19, 2006, 03:35:12 AMor the fact that he's a `cubi/being hybrid.

There's no such thing as a cubi/being hybrid.

Ok, succubus/being hybrid (in the case of Dan) or incubus/being hybrid (in the case of Abel).

Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on December 19, 2006, 03:51:20 AM

Quote from: superluser on December 19, 2006, 03:35:12 AM
Of course, if a legendary creature known for trying to have sex with people popped up in my bar, I might try that, too.

Erm, Since when do they do that?

'cubi from Christian myth do just that.  According to Discoverie of Witchcraft by Scot, they were believed (he didn't believe in it, I might add) to come in as a succubus, date-rape someone and then switch gender to knock someone up.  This unholy union was said to produce the best witches.

Now, DMFA 'cubi don't do that but they do still have a reputation for seduction as mentioned by Abel, Dan, Wildy and Fluffy IIRC and alluded to in the Destania-Edward encounter.

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Quote from: superluser on December 19, 2006, 03:35:12 AM
or the fact that he's a `cubi/being hybrid.

There's no such thing as a cubi/being hybrid.

I don't have the Nice archives with me at the moment, but I swear when I was searching them last night I saw Amber describe Dan as a being/cubi hybrid.  She did immediately follow it up by saying that he had full 'cubi powers, of course.


Anyway, that episode was quite a revelation.  Unless Pyro is actually some kind of draconic dissident, it's fairly a safe bet that the dragons do know about Dan now, which opens a (somewhat unlikely IMHO) possibility for some kind of showdown between Pyro and Dan if Pyro is responsible for killing Edward through his actions.

I was wondering if Destania's mission was somehow related to this apparent dragon plot, but Fa'lina's reaction to Aary regarding the loss of Destania would suggest that she simply became entangled in it.

Pyroduck is coming!
Pyroduck is coming!!!!

Oh no, he turned back.
My bad!
(a pity)

Quote from: Tapewolf on December 19, 2006, 04:08:08 AM
I don't have the Nice archives with me at the moment, but I swear when I was searching them last night I saw Amber describe Dan as a being/cubi hybrid. She did immediately follow it up by saying that he had full 'cubi powers, of course.

Well, we WERE told that you either are or you aren't, so the whole "hybrid" thing doesn't really exist. if you're only referring to the parents, then sure.

 >:3

Quote from: Ink on December 19, 2006, 04:35:07 AM
>:3

Are you threating me? Do you have any holio? TP for my bunghole?

Ace: Man too bad I can't back Dan up if he has a rescue mission happening soon.  He coudl sure use my-OW!  *Ace sits down holding his head grumbling after Doraion whacked him on the head with his staff.*

Doraion: Aye, do I have to do this everytime you brag Ace?

well when i saw that it was a jaw dropper. i could have expected many things but that was out of the blue. i guess that Pyro and Destna not meeting was a good thing.

Quote from: Tapewolf on December 19, 2006, 04:08:08 AMI was wondering if Destania's mission was somehow related to this apparent dragon plot, but Fa'lina's reaction to Aary regarding the loss of Destania would suggest that she simply became entangled in it.

Fa'Lina's reaction (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_560.php) seems a bit odd.  It implies that she knows (or perhaps simply doesn't care) where Destania is.  Had she been unaware, she would have probably probed Aary for information.

So we're left with the same scenarios:

1.) Destania has not been in contact with SAIA.
2.) Destania has been in contact with SAIA and wants Dan to be there, but does not want SAIA to find out about Dan. (no, I don't know what that means, either)

Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on December 19, 2006, 04:33:45 AMWell, we WERE told that you either are or you aren't, so the whole "hybrid" thing doesn't really exist. if you're only referring to the parents, then sure.

hybrid -  n.  1. Genetics. The offspring of genetically dissimilar parents or stock, especially the offspring produced by breeding plants or animals of different varieties, species, or races.

Quote from: superluser on December 19, 2006, 05:06:15 AM

Quote from: Tapewolf on December 19, 2006, 04:08:08 AMI was wondering if Destania's mission was somehow related to this apparent dragon plot, but Fa'lina's reaction to Aary regarding the loss of Destania would suggest that she simply became entangled in it.

Fa'Lina's reaction (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_560.php) seems a bit odd.  It implies that she knows (or perhaps simply doesn't care) where Destania is.  Had she been unaware, she would have probably probed Aary for information.

So we're left with the same scenarios:

1.) Destania has not been in contact with SAIA.
2.) Destania has been in contact with SAIA and wants Dan to be there, but does not want SAIA to find out about Dan. (no, I don't know what that means, either)

I was thinking more of this reaction (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_567.php) - it looks like Fa'Lina knows that Destania settled down but she still can't quite believe it, or she's waiting for her to 'come to her senses' and return to the Academy.  She doesn't seem to know about the Twink Territories business.

Personally, I'm inclined to believe that Destania did return to SAIA to formally resign, give her reasons and remove any personal effects and heirlooms (e.g. the bed and Cyra Clan paintings).
Why she has not acted to get Dan into SAIA is not something I fully understand although it's possible she was afraid the dragons would trace any communication she made with SAIA.

Real life genetics don't even count for DMFA in this case... Especially since hybrids carry the qualities of their parents, and Amber HAS already said you can't be half-creature.

Quote from: Zedd on December 19, 2006, 04:48:58 AM

Quote from: Ink on December 19, 2006, 04:35:07 AM
>:3

Are you threating me? Do you have any holio? TP for my bunghole?

Bwahahahaha! *rotfl*


More seriously - is Pyro on the side of Dragons generally? On his own side? Playing the two sides against each other?

Is Destania aware of Pyro? How can she not be, since, whilst he's keeping a low profile, at least Abel knows about him instantly.

What -is- the story behind that? How come Abel knows instantly that Dragons must be kept away from Dan - yet Dan doesn't? (ref, strip 142 in the DP arc with the dragon spotting Dan a tenner... amongst other, possibly non-canon episodes, eg the one where Dan dies by being stood on)

Fa'Lina, I don't think we should take at face value, ever. I expect her to be playing a shell game - evne if she knows, she may make like she doesn't to lead someone else into doing what she wants. I think she knew about Destania, and sent Aary out with the express intent of getting Dan back into SAIA, long enough to assign someone, probably Abel (given the room assignment and the folder of info) as mentor and defender.

Which she may well have guilted Abel into protecting him on that basis, presuming that that info is in the folder...



Hmm. All sorts of twisty little mental passages :-)

Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on December 19, 2006, 05:21:45 AM
Real life genetics don't even count for DMFA in this case... Especially since hybrids carry the qualities of their parents, and Amber HAS already said you can't be half-creature.

What real life genetics? Hybrid is a word and has a dictionary meaning.
So long as long it is the offspring of two different things, it is a hybrid.
For example, the offspring of a Clan Cyra Cubi and a Clan Nact'larn Cubi is also a hybrid.

And you CAN be a half-creature
"Being half creature tends to put Lorenda in a socially awkward position which has left her torn between doing what demons do...aka rampaging, chaos, etc...or trying to live a normal life as a being.

 forgot this one was here a little too late >_>

Quote from: Zedd on December 19, 2006, 04:48:58 AM

Quote from: Ink on December 19, 2006, 04:35:07 AM
>:3

Are you threating me? Do you have any holio? TP for my bunghole?

You did it wrong >_>

Quote from: Kasarn on December 19, 2006, 05:38:01 AM

Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on December 19, 2006, 05:21:45 AM
Real life genetics don't even count for DMFA in this case... Especially since hybrids carry the qualities of their parents, and Amber HAS already said you can't be half-creature.

What real life genetics? Hybrid is a word and has a dictionary meaning.
So long as long it is the offspring of two different things, it is a hybrid.
For example, the offspring of a Clan Cyra Cubi and a Clan Nact'larn Cubi is also a hybrid.

And you CAN be a half-creature
"Being half creature tends to put Lorenda in a socially awkward position which has left her torn between doing what demons do...aka rampaging, chaos, etc...or trying to live a normal life as a being.

Are you going to tell me Amber is lying then?

edited for teh quote

Quote from:  teh ambarEither the kid will be a Cubi or they wont. There is no "half breed" in the sense a kid has some Cubi abilities but none of their weaknesses or some stupid-lame Blade form of powergaming.   At the very most, a being-child might have some magical inclinations but they don't have any of the Cubi natural abilities.

No hybrids.

lol, straw man

I think that this could kick off a very interesting story arc. That, and I think Destania is underestimating the capabilities of Dan and his freinds.

Let's see...

There's Dan, who is skilled at physical combat, and seems to get more powerful the more he gets hurt.
There's Mab, who has Fae uber-magic.
There's Azlan, who also has Fae uber-magic.
There's Abel, who's a master of all things Cubi.
There's Wildy, who has Shamistic magic and sadist.
There's Jyrras, who is a skilled mad scientist. He's the major wildcard here, because the dragons won't be expecting the sorts of stuff he can use.
There's Deathbringer, who seems to be invulnerable, and could probably kill a few dragons by suffocation or something.
There's Lorenda, who is physically powerful, and probably has a bit of Demon magic.
There's Pyroduck, who might or might not be on Dan's side when the time comes. If he is, however, Dan's party would be able to infiltrate Dragon territory much more easily.

Oh hey! Apples and oranges! Could it be that Cubi and Demons are not the same thing and so they go by different basic rules?

If you want direct quote, I believe I said somewhere that for Cubi it's often an all or nothing policy.  You either are a Cubi or you arent...however that doesn't mean you arent a half-breed of sorts.  A cubi/Mythos combo is not going to be the exact same as a Cubi/Being combo...for obvious reasons.  When I say there is no hybrid for Cubi, I mean that there is no "Oh I'm only a half cubi which gives me all these strengths and none of their weaknesses" type BS that tends to happen with RPers who want to try to leech every possible power and ability for their character.

Demons/angels on the other hand...you can be half.  You don't have such a startling transformation of powers and energies like a Cubi that make up your race.  You can be primarily a being but with wings...or a normal-looking gal who has the ability to make her skin rock-hard.  Lorenda is a half-breed in the sense she does not have the full epic scale of powers like her mom does who is a full-blooded demon.  Odds are if future generations consisted of being pairings...the demon-aspect would dilute or fade into a neutral zone.

Cliffnote Version: Yes there can be creature hybrids/half-breeds because there are a dozen different races of creature.  Some creatures when cross-breeding (if they are compatable in the first place) will create a more half-breed variety while others have a very all or nothing approach.

In other words you both are right in the sense but wrong in another...and are trying to explain two different situations as if they were the same.

Quote from: nick012000 on December 19, 2006, 05:56:05 AM
There's Dan, who is skilled at physical combat, and seems to get more powerful the more he gets hurt.

Sounds like a Saiyan... (half)

You know, I'm noticing that Dan has had a lot of interactions with dragons.  There's Pyro and the one that he owes money to.  In some bestiaries, drakes are young dragons.  I'm not sure if that's true in DMFA.  None of these seem to have ever wanted to do Dan in (in the case of Pip, because he'd lose a chew toy), and aside from Pyro, no one has ever shown any concern for Dan being around them.

What can this possibly mean?  My only suggestion is that only a subset of dragons is out to get Dan, and Pyro is from that subset.

Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on December 19, 2006, 05:21:45 AMReal life genetics don't even count for DMFA in this case... Especially since hybrids carry the qualities of their parents, and Amber HAS already said you can't be half-creature.

On the other hand, the real life English word for the offspring of two genetically dissimilar parents is `hybrid.'  The word dates to 1828, thus predating the field of genetics (Mendel, 1865).  English is the only language allowed on this forum, so I'm at a loss for how this word wouldn't be right.

There's a good anecdote about this in the Annotated Pratchett File (http://www.lspace.org/books/apf/equal-rites.html) (search for `Djelibeybi').

Quote from: Amber Panyko on December 19, 2006, 06:02:36 AM
Oh hey! Apples and oranges! Could it be that Cubi and Demons are not the same thing and so they go by different basic rules?

Aridas clearly said HALF-CREATURE in his post. Which Tapewolf and others have also said.

Quote from: Netami on December 19, 2006, 06:05:50 AM

Quote from: nick012000 on December 19, 2006, 05:56:05 AM
There's Dan, who is skilled at physical combat, and seems to get more powerful the more he gets hurt.

Sounds like a Saiyan... (half)

http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/8433061/ (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/8433061/) ¬.¬  Splans alls

Quote from: Zedd on December 19, 2006, 06:16:12 AM¬.¬  Splans alls (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/8433061/)

It doesn't work unless it's half-human.

Somebody pointed this out to me once.  In whatever mythology you look at, humans are always inferior to the other races, but if you have a half-human, half-(whatever), it's even better than the pure-blooded (whatevers).

Examples:

Mr. Spock
Goku
Merlin
Bat Boy
Blade

Don't forget INU YASHA!

And M'lady.

And technically Goku is full-blooded Saiyan. Bardock and his wife were both Saiyans. Gohan is half-Saiyan and, while doing very well up to the Cell Saga, was not ultimately more powerful for being a half-blood.

Harry Potter? Not a half blood, either. Hermoine makes up for her half-blood nature by being extra studious in school, but not ultimately more powerful FOR being half-blood.

Since I just got up, I won't fry my brain by reading the speculation posts right now.

However, my first thought after today's comic was that this must be Amber's way of saying "Merry Christmas" to the speculation brigade ;)

Quote from: superluser on December 19, 2006, 06:35:06 AM
Somebody pointed this out to me once.  In whatever mythology you look at, humans are always inferior to the other races, but if you have a half-human, half-(whatever), it's even better than the pure-blooded (whatevers).

Examples:

Mr. Spock
Goku

A) Star Trek and DBZ don't exactly count as mythology in my book :P
B) ...Goku is a half-breed? When did that happen? I thought he was a pure dude, shot to Earth from planet Dudemajo... please fill in the names, it's been eons since I watched that show ^^; Ninja-edit: Oh, right. Gohan.

Oh, and is Hermione considered to be a halfblood? I thought I read somewhere that both her parents are non-wizards... but I still have to read more than just the first book ^^;

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Quote from: superluser on December 19, 2006, 03:35:12 AM
or the fact that he's a `cubi/being hybrid.

There's no such thing as a cubi/being hybrid.

I don't have the Nice archives with me at the moment, but I swear when I was searching them last night I saw Amber describe Dan as a being/cubi hybrid.  She did immediately follow it up by saying that he had full 'cubi powers, of course.

Amber's posted already, but I think this is the part you've had in mind:

QuotePosted by Amber Panyko (Member # 6308) on 03-21-2005 04:24 PM:

In the DMFA world, there really isn't so much as a "half" of anything. You might end up with some beings who are magically inclined and show some traits of a Creature, or you might end up with a Creature who is severly handicapped in comparison to its fellow race...but that is about the extent of a half-race.

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Posted by Daimien (Member # 8341) on 03-21-2005 04:31 PM:

What about Lorenda? She is a Half Demon.

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Posted by Amber Panyko (Member # 6308) on 03-21-2005 04:36 PM:

As far as the eyes of the legal system and Creatures is concerned, Lorenda is considered a "Demon"...just a weaker one.

Some beings would consider Lorenda a half-demon...but really it isn't so much an impressive difference to give herself a new label. Unless you want to look like the human equivalent of those people who go on about how they are "half German and half Irish with a mix of Native American"

In theory Dan is only half-cubi, but the way abilities and powers work, they tend to come in all or nothing.

Temporary copy of thread at http://www.youkai.de/dmfa_forum1534.htm

Quote from: Sid on December 19, 2006, 07:05:55 AM

Quote from: Tapewolf on December 19, 2006, 04:08:08 AM
I don't have the Nice archives with me at the moment, but I swear when I was searching them last night I saw Amber describe Dan as a being/cubi hybrid.  She did immediately follow it up by saying that he had full 'cubi powers, of course.

Amber's posted already, but I think this is the part you've had in mind:

QuotePosted by Amber Panyko (Member # 6308) on 03-21-2005 04:24 PM:
In theory Dan is only half-cubi, but the way abilities and powers work, they tend to come in all or nothing.

Spot on :P

I told you there's a battle for the power between Dragons and Cubi's. Look it up on the thread"Why Dagons hate Cubi." I knew this from the beginning when Pyro was there and Abel protecting Dan and the other Dragons doesn't know his existence and powers. They are holding Dan's dad I would tell him everything and the only person I will know who would tell is Abel or Destina. This is winding up to be a battle and Falina knew about this all along. I still don't trust her she has this web all arranged till her liking. I will wait and see if the beginning of this epic story.

Quote from: Amber Panyko on December 19, 2006, 06:02:36 AM
Lorenda is a half-breed in the sense she does not have the full epic scale of powers like her mom does who is a full-blooded demon. Odds are if future generations consisted of being pairings...the demon-aspect would dilute or fade into a neutral zone.

I remember you saying that she was technically a demon, just a weaker one. Does that still hold?

As for Pyro... he did say the thing about Dan's grandson being a future leader was just a joke. I do wonder what he was doing in Twink Territories in the first place, but it's likely that Biggs and/or Destania know about him, and he hasn't told the other dragons about Dan in all the time he's been living in Lost Lake, so I don't think he's plotting against him. Besides, it would be hard for a spy to be that friendly and still want to betray those around him. I believe he's either on Dan's side or outside the conflict (the fact that dragons are involved doesn't mean ALL dragons are).

*blink* *blink*

Talk about story progression.

Quote from: Gabi on December 19, 2006, 07:43:28 AM

Quote from: Amber Panyko on December 19, 2006, 06:02:36 AM
Lorenda is a half-breed in the sense she does not have the full epic scale of powers like her mom does who is a full-blooded demon. Odds are if future generations consisted of being pairings...the demon-aspect would dilute or fade into a neutral zone.

I remember you saying that she was technically a demon, just a weaker one. Does that still hold?

Technically Lorenda is a half-demon as the point of being technical is to be specific rather than generalising.
For practical purposes it would vary depending on the task. Usually she'd be "a demon, just a weaker one"
For everyday purposes, she is a demon because she is strong, has pointy horns and sharp teeth.
Another demon, however, may consider her a half-demon because she isn't as powerful... heck, he may call Lorenda a half-Being.


Well, that's my thoughts on that anyway...


(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v447/Kasarn/mess/DMFA/biggs725.png)
I couldn't decide what quip to put on it :[

Well, I can honestly say I wasn't expecting any of this at all, like most of the readers.  Right over my head.

...actually, I'd be surprised if anyone was expecting this.

"Dragons have kidnapped your father! Are you a bad enough dude to save him?"

Seriously, that's the first thing that came to my mind when I saw this topic.

Personally, I think Pyroduck has no connection with these kidnappers and even so, he has a thing for Dan's sister. That may have some influence on his actions...

I wonder what Merlitz/Abel is doing right now, we haven't seen him for a while now...

*Charline AH-HA!!*  So THAT'S why snipers are after me!  Dragons!  Curse them!  I'll bet that evil Pyro is an agent!  Now I understand why he's hitting on Alexsi!  And once he gets Destania, he'll eat Alexsi, just like I said!  Dragons are EVIL!  Evil evil evil!  Not like us innocent cubi!   :3

*Charles erms*  You devoured the souls of an entire village last night.

*Charline uhms*  They looked at me funny...  :sweatdrop

*Charles  :aack * I see... I suppose that kinda-sorta justifies mass slaughter...  Well, at any rate it could explain Dark Pegasus' reaction to Destania having a child.  I wonder if he had any alliance with the dragons.  So many possible secret alliances!  

joins in the chorus of "Ahhh .. so  that is why the dragon and the cubi ..."

quite the stalemate-hostage situation they have going.

Quote from: ShiningShadow on December 19, 2006, 07:33:08 AMI told you there's a battle for the power between Dragons and Cubi's.

``When you're a wyrm. you're a wyrm all the way, from your first barrow guard to your last dying day...''

I'm telling you, there is no generalized dragons/`cubi war.  If there were, then why would they want to kill Edward?  Why does everyone, from Abel (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_685.php) to Fi (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_698.php) say, ``this is bad for *Dan*''?

Quote from: Netami on December 19, 2006, 06:50:06 AMDon't forget INU YASHA!

Oop!  I think this was one of the original examples.

Quote from: Netami on December 19, 2006, 06:50:06 AMAnd technically Goku is full-blooded Saiyan.

Yes, I was thinking Gohan (didn't he blow up a dimension once?).  For some reason, I thought that he was more powerful, but truth be told, I hate DBZ (and DBGT, and DB).

For so much information in a page, I'd have expected a lot more words.  Nicely done.

Resource for more theories about Ti'Fiona's son.
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_527.php

But in any case Dan is the future of all Cubi and others in general and will bridge a gap between two races Dragons and Cubi. That's the first theory the second is mine I see a epic (or tiny war as anybody sees it) between the two factions and Dan will do something to shift that balance towards the Cubi. All this planning from Biggs to Destina to even Dr. ink for Pete's sake something is up at the Saia Academy  something very big. I know for sure right now that Dan is part of that equation you could bet the farm on that.

Is it just me, or has no-one commented on the second pane?  Reading it again that's probably one of the scariest things I've seen in the strip.  And I quote:
"Even if there are last-minute complications, the whole plan should hit so fast that half the world will sleep through it."

What the hell are they planning?  The Apocalypse?

Quote from: Tapewolf on December 19, 2006, 12:22:55 PM
Is it just me, or has no-one commented on the second pane?  Reading it again that's probably one of the scariest things I've seen in the strip.  And I quote:
"Even if there are last-minute complications, the whole plan should hit so fast that half the world will sleep through it."

What the hell are they planning?  The Apocalypse?

TW that's what I've been talking about that for a month a half they are up to something it's either a war that Biggs will profit from or something far, far worse then we could imagined. Oh TW that quote you could find it on the thread "Why Dragons Hate Cubi." there where I said these things about a impending war between Dragons and Cubi.

Quote from: ShiningShadow on December 19, 2006, 12:31:00 PM

Quote from: Tapewolf on December 19, 2006, 12:22:55 PM
What the hell are they planning?  The Apocalypse?

TW that's what I've been talking about that for a month a half they are up to something it's either a war that Biggs will profit from or something far, far worse then we could imagined. Oh TW that quote you could find it on the thread "Why Dragons Hate Cubi." there where I said these things about a impending war between Dragons and Cubi.

Why so you did.  I'd clean forgotten about that.  I must admit it looked pretty paranoid at the time, but now I'm not quite so sure.

I don't believe there's been any communication between Fa'lina and Destania since before Biggs was born, otherwise she would have sent Dan to SAIA herself, not Aary.  The only reason I can see otherwise is because she's terrified her communications would be intercepted which makes the idea of Destania and Fa'lina being in on the conspiracy rather less likely.

Also, if Biggs has a link to the Creature Council (as mentioned by Kria), why on earth are they still worried about Jyrras and his toys when Biggs is poised to do something that half the world won't sleep through?

Quote from: Tapewolf on December 19, 2006, 12:22:55 PMIs it just me, or has no-one commented on the second pane?  Reading it again that's probably one of the scariest things I've seen in the strip.  And I quote:
"Even if there are last-minute complications, the whole plan should hit so fast that half the world will sleep through it."

What the hell are they planning?  The Apocalypse?

My initial suspicion (few strips back, unpublished) was that she was trying to take over SAIA.  But since she wants Dan there, that seems unlikely.  There is the possibility that Destania wants Dan to be part of her vanguard to attack the academy, but Biggs' comment seems to indicate that she wants Dan there to keep him safe.

There are a few other options in this vein, but even fewer of them explain the dragon factor.

The oddest thing is that all the `cubi are interested in the adventurer (Edward) aspect, while all the other adventure-bait are interested in the succubus aspect.

...a thought occurs.  What if Edward pullled a Bunny Lebowski?  He doesn't want Dan to go to SAIA, and the only way to shut Dee up is to pretend to be kidnapped and make it seem unsafe to tell SAIA about it.

Quote from: Tapewolf on December 19, 2006, 12:48:21 PMI don't believe there's been any communication between Fa'lina and Destania since before Biggs was born, otherwise she would have sent Dan to SAIA herself, not Aary.  The only reason I can see otherwise is because she's terrified her communications would be intercepted which makes the idea of Destania and Fa'lina being in on the conspiracy rather less likely.

You're halfway there.  25 years is a long time, and if Dee really wanted (or even sorta wanted) to contact Fa'Lina, she would have had no trouble finding a way with slim to zero chance of interception.  If you want me to speculate, I can.

Plus, it would give me another opportunity to reference Dune (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hayt).

Well this just flew through my head:

"The Dragons have your Dad.  Are you a bad enough dude to save him?"

On the topic of half breads I might say that in a way I think Dan's clan is part dragon due to the pip dragon like head wing tendrals which could explain a few things like his affinity towards dragons.

Though there is one thing that you all are forgetting.  The best place to hide something valuable is in plain sight.  For all we know, Pyro's litte joke about his predition of the future and his roll there could have been the trouth and he said it in order to get it out in the open and have a laugh at the incredible comedy of the situation.

Though if that prediction is true that leaves one question to be answered?  Who's little Dan's mom.  It could be Matty which could explain why the child was quite powerful, Even Dan said that Blue Mythos were a formidable foe.

Quote from: Madmann135 on December 19, 2006, 03:01:58 PMhalf breads

Half bread?  Is that like when a cereal and a yeast love each other very much...

Quote from: Madmann135 on December 19, 2006, 03:01:58 PMI might say that in a way I think Dan's clan is part dragon due to the pip dragon like head wing tendrals which could explain a few things like his affinity towards dragons.

That's just crazy enough to work.  It wouldn't explain why Abel sees dragons as a threat to Dan, but I'm acting on the assumption that Abel doesn't know the whole issue with the dragons.

Quote from: Madmann135 on December 19, 2006, 03:01:58 PMThough if that prediction is true that leaves one question to be answered?  Who's little Dan's mom.  It could be Matty which could explain why the child was quite powerful, Even Dan said that Blue Mythos were a formidable foe.

Who is ``little Dan?''  Do you mean Daniel Ti'Fiona when he was little?  I'm not sure of how reproduction works with succubi, but I think you'd remember having your kid.

Quote from: Manawolf on December 19, 2006, 01:43:36 PM
Well this just flew through my head:

"The Dragons have your Dad.  Are you a bad enough dude to save him?"

All right, that's two people saying that. What's that from? I feel like I should know.

Quote from: Wanderer on December 19, 2006, 05:07:52 PMAll right, that's two people saying that. What's that from? I feel like I should know.

I figured it was Bad Dudes (A/K/A Bad Dudes vs. Dragonninja)...

(http://www.consoleclassix.com/info_img/Bad_Dudes_NES_ScreenShot3.jpg)

...and it was.

Quote from: Tapewolf on December 19, 2006, 12:48:21 PM
Also, if Biggs has a link to the Creature Council (as mentioned by Kria), why on earth are they still worried about Jyrras and his toys when Biggs is poised to do something that half the world won't sleep through?

That's not the problem here.

Whatever he's planning, to get half the world to sleep through it, it has to be less than half a day long, else people start waking up.

Remember, the way planets and stars and biological clocks work, at any given moment around 50% of the world population is, in fact, asleep. Or at least not as attentive as they usually are.

I'd hazard a guess at the plan being on a grand scale, but since the whole cubi/dragon thing isn't all over the papers, and the shadowy nature of the shadow council, I'd say his grand plan is more of a grand entry into a hidden conflict. Thus, those who don't know of the conflict, and aren't keeping track of it, won't know anything has happened until it affects them. The sleepers stay asleep, and the awake don't notice anything to prompt waking the sleepers.

If the 3:30 appointment has something to do with Biggs getting Wildy, willingly or unknowingly, to help him with this plan, I wouldn't be the least bit surprised.

So... wait. We're theorizing that the twinks are trying to SAVE the world? :erk

...does not compute.

let's see, my mother is one quarter German, one quarter Dutch-Irish...which if you know american history is also german, one quarter Quaker...who are of english desent and one quarter cherokee.

My father is a Puerto Rican, which is the ultimate mixed bag of nuts when it comes to race, and I my grandmother claims we are decendents of the islands native Tiano indians.


So that makes me 100% American... I don't see a conflict of intrest with Abel bing refered to as a Cubi if only one of his pararents are cubi.

Quote from: Artanis on December 19, 2006, 05:54:45 PM

Quote from: Tapewolf on December 19, 2006, 12:48:21 PM
Also, if Biggs has a link to the Creature Council (as mentioned by Kria), why on earth are they still worried about Jyrras and his toys when Biggs is poised to do something that half the world won't sleep through?

That's not the problem here.

Whatever he's planning, to get half the world to sleep through it, it has to be less than half a day long, else people start waking up.

I think a sufficiently large nuclear inferno would count as that.  Not that I seriously believe Biggs is thinking of anything like that but it was the first thing that sprang to mind.

Quote from: Artanis on December 19, 2006, 05:54:45 PMThat's not the problem here.

Whatever he's planning, to get half the world to sleep through it, it has to be less than half a day long, else people start waking up.

Remember, the way planets and stars and biological clocks work, at any given moment around 50% of the world population is, in fact, asleep. Or at least not as attentive as they usually are.

I think you're taking this a little too literally.  Furthermore, given that the average sleep cycle is around eight hours, there should never be more than 1/3 of the population sleeping at any given time.*

I think that the term `sleep' is being used metaphorically here for ``Half the world won't be paying attention.''

*Yes, yes.  You have to assume a spherical planet with uniform population distribution and a uniform distribution of sleep schedules.

Quote from: Artanis on December 19, 2006, 05:54:45 PMThe sleepers stay asleep, and the awake don't notice anything to prompt waking the sleepers.

I swear you're trolling for Dune quotes.

Quote from: superluser on December 19, 2006, 05:15:06 PM

Quote from: Wanderer on December 19, 2006, 05:07:52 PMAll right, that's two people saying that. What's that from? I feel like I should know.

I figured it was Bad Dudes (A/K/A Bad Dudes vs. Dragonninja)...

(http://www.consoleclassix.com/info_img/Bad_Dudes_NES_ScreenShot3.jpg)

...and it was.

(http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/4822/dmfabaddudesyq0.jpg)

Best to wait and see I suppose, too much speculation might make causality come into effect here.

Quote from: ChaoSynergy on December 19, 2006, 06:15:55 PM
(http://img315.imageshack.us/img315/4822/dmfabaddudesyq0.jpg)

Sooo... Dan's talking to himself? Typical.

Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on December 19, 2006, 06:28:09 PMSooo... Dan's talking to himself? Typical.

Good.  It looks like I won't have to explain this one:

(http://www.frontiernet.net/~superluser/baddan.png)

I think you won the internet with that one. XD

That's perfect, that's exactly what I was thinking!  :3

Quote from: superluser on December 19, 2006, 07:41:08 PM

Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on December 19, 2006, 06:28:09 PMSooo... Dan's talking to himself? Typical.

Good. It looks like I won't have to explain this one:

(http://www.frontiernet.net/~superluser/baddan.png)

That is SO fake! too many colors! This DMFA game was obviously never released.

It's a secret launch release for the PS3!  *watches the game blog sites go berserk trying to find it*   >:3

Looks more like a Wii release if you ask me.

Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on December 19, 2006, 08:33:36 PMThat is SO fake! too many colors! This DMFA game was obviously never released.

Figures.

Actually, if you look, there are only 16 colors in the Biggs sprite, and I think there are only three colors in the background.  Add in the pure black shadow, and you get 20 possible colors.  Wikipedia says that the NES could display up to 25 colors at one time.

Edit: found the NES palette (http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=2268248), and fixed it.

(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i100/shadrok1/DMFA/biggs.gif)

I couldn't resist.   :boogie

 :lol

Quote from: Shadrok on December 19, 2006, 10:10:26 PM
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i100/shadrok1/DMFA/biggs.gif)

I couldn't resist.   :boogie

*buggy eyes* I love you man!

Quote from: Shadrok on December 19, 2006, 10:10:26 PM
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i100/shadrok1/DMFA/biggs.gif)

I couldn't resist.   :boogie

That... is made of pure win!  AWESOME!

I've personally decided that that is in fact why Dan got sent back instead of tied to a chair and forced to participate in "Simulating Amazons for Beginners" until he decided to stay.

Quote from: Shadrok on December 19, 2006, 10:10:26 PM
(http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i100/shadrok1/DMFA/biggs.gif)

I couldn't resist. :boogie

that is combo style awesome. good work!

...OK, I still wanna know why cubi and dragons don't get along.

Quote from: Aleolus on December 19, 2006, 11:32:55 PM
...OK, I still wanna know why cubi and dragons don't get along.

I already said in several threads back that it was because they owe money!  :P

So, I wonder if all those peeps with dragon characters still want a cameo. o:

Oh now that's a good one.

I bet they still would...

mmm. dragon burgers.


... that'd be on the grill at the beach party, no?

DRAGON.... MEAT.... SAUSAGE...

:mowwink

Quote from: FireKatKid on December 20, 2006, 12:01:00 AM
So, I wonder if all those peeps with dragon characters still want a cameo. o:

I still want a cameo but I can't afford the Amber Bribe to get my charactor in a frame.

Quote from: Aleolus on December 19, 2006, 11:32:55 PM
...OK, I still wanna know why cubi and dragons don't get along.

Got to the thread "why Dragons hates Cubi" to understand there all your questions will be answered there.

No, since everyone's just speculating there.

I was about to say that myself.  I dont think we've been given any specific reason in the comic yet.

And on topic.. i'm so dissapointed!  There i was warming up to her and she's after genocide.. against my race at that!  I'm shocked!

((nicely written story :))

Well, the whole genocide thing is interesting. That is to say, it's not just beings verses creatures, there's squabbling amongst themselves too.

Who knows what will happens next. I can't wait for it

Quote from: ShiningShadow on December 23, 2006, 01:22:56 AM
Who knows what will happens next

Could you please stop saying that in 99% of your posts? it's starting to get on my nerves...

In any case what will the Dragons will do if Dan decides to show up and challenge them. Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm major battle comming soon.

Hrm... did anybody else notice this?  http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol405.jpg

Wish I had remembered that a few comics ago... O_o

Quote from: Alablast on December 27, 2006, 10:06:54 AM
Hrm... did anybody else notice this?  http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol405.jpg

Wish I had remembered that a few comics ago... O_o

Moraly inportantly Amber has a mouth of texas and the accent of a rodent mixed with a cat on a nip bong

Quote from: Alablast on December 27, 2006, 10:06:54 AM
Hrm... did anybody else notice this?  http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol405.jpg

Wish I had remembered that a few comics ago... O_o

I believe I commented on the fact it appeared she was telling the truth before, in the thread discussing the comic where we first found out Destiana was the gazelle who was interviewing Alexsi.

And thus this whole thing about genocide towards the Dragon race and Biggs goofy grin gets bigger by the second. If anybody don't see this as a plan to attack the Dragons and starting a major war then I don't know what I'm seeing here.