How advanced is the human race in PF .
Also I don't get why cubi fail to exploit pandimensional portals for all they are worth , such things are rare in the DMFA setting and they get one leading to a world they could easily plunder with absolute impunity . Even if it is magically dead they've managed to establish bases on places as sterile as the moon , and have had dealings with such zones on their own world .
Quote from: meltingface101 on January 07, 2014, 09:35:42 PM
How advanced is the human race in PF .
Depends which bit you're talking about. Jakob and Page's technology-stealing mission was supposedly in our own world's past.
However, the panthers and aircraft and the AI technology in general were a crossover from a storyline I was developing about 20 years ago, in some kind of alternate timeline where we had developed fully-sentient AI by now and fitted it in aircraft. In that scenario, most of the developed world was in a better shape owing to AI guidance, so I'd like to say that that setting is more advanced than us, both technically and societally, but whichever nation or state Jakob got his aircraft from, it clearly wasn't a utopia because they were glad to leave.
In some ways I regret that crossover now and I did consider removing it when I adapted the original story into PF, but by that point it had become intrinsic to the plotline.
To be completely honest Jakob's interdimensional excursions were really intended as a plot device to extend the Furrae setting by bringing in Earth technology, and while it was fun to [write about people from Earth coming across furres, it was more done for fun] rather than a core part of the story.
QuoteAlso I don't get why cubi fail to exploit pandimensional portals for all they are worth , such things are rare in the DMFA setting and they get one leading to a world they could easily plunder with absolute impunity . Even if it is magically dead they've managed to establish bases on places as sterile as the moon , and have had dealings with such zones on their own world .
Depends how aggressive they are, and that depends on the clan and the individual. Notwithstanding his expansionism in Ha'Khun (and FWIW a lot of that was provoked by the neighbouring territories) Jakob doesn't normally do that. Taun might, given the chance, but at the moment she is preoccupied with her race surviving Hizell's machinations as I understand it.
The vibe I am getting from what Amber has said over the years is that if you're a 'Cubi or one of the other races that the Dragons seem to have a problem with, it's best to keep your head down to avoid it getting squashed. Going out and conquering parts of the multiverse seems to be a sure way of getting noticed in the wrong kind of way, so it's likely that if anyone does make widespread use of dimensional portals, they probably want to do so furtively to avoid getting noticed.
To be honest, had I known this at the time CJP was written, I would probably not have written the Johan Cross part the way I did, but I think it still works... it seems plausible to assume that had he not quit as ruler the Dragons would have decided he was getting uppity and taken steps.
Also, as Amber pointed out before, there are fairly large holes in our understanding of how the multiverse works, so personally I would be reluctant to write a story which did that kind of thing until some of the gaps are filled.
Dragons and Fae are only in Furrae because nothing they do there will have any consequence to the universe as whole . Also the portals your character created only lead to human run worlds where there is no evidence that anyone is enforcing status quo . Cubi however are under no delusion of cosmological significance and often tend to exploit and manipulate others as part their life style .
To say they would not jump at such an easily exploited is a bit of a stretch , considering they impulsively do stuff along these lines . The fact that there are no races that could possibly compete against them would be motivation in and of itself .
If there were Dragons watching over the humans , Cubi have a skillset designed for infiltration . When the Dragons finally do enact a cull
the humans will presume they're the target .
Even if humans were to find out that creatures from another world were amoungst them , they would come up with a simpler realistic explanation like mental disorders , or even ARG campaigns .
Heck they could even go as far as to assassinate politician , take their place and run the moment things get sour . They can just run off to a place we have no access to . Or openly just place their clan in a position of power by brute force , the sheer difference in levels of power and number of unknowns might be enough to discourage any intelligent groups from direct attacks . Also they tend to face problems like these and more even when not in a position of power in Furrae . They could even do something as benign as offer to saturate a field with magic and increase crop yields .
Also Furrae itself lies as far away from utopia as one can get , everyone is part of an ever shifting food chain with the bulk of the population at the bottom , widespread feudalism , and entities that regularly go around terrorizing settlements to weak to defend themselves .
Quote from: meltingface101 on January 08, 2014, 05:03:28 PM
Dragons and Fae are only in Furrae because nothing they do there will have any consequence to the universe as whole .
If we look at this: http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_842.php
They appear to been taken into one of Amber's other worlds, the one with Anthicus and the others. So I'm not sure they exactly have complete non-intervention policy in the other worlds.
QuoteAlso the portals your character created only lead to human run worlds where there is no evidence that anyone is enforcing status quo
Actually, you could probably make an interesting story by tying that up with David Icke's belief that the world is secretly run by disguised lizard overlords.
QuoteTo say they would not jump at such an easily exploited is a bit of a stretch , considering they impulsively do stuff along these lines . The fact that there are no races that could possibly compete against them would be motivation in and of itself .
That may be, but the fact is it's out of scope for my stories.
If Amber ever gets around to doing Apartment Complexity or other stories set elsewhere in the multiverse, we might get more of a handle on this, but until such time as that happens, it's not a subject I am likely to touch upon in any future writings.
See, one of the design goals with Project Future was to write it so that it could plausibly fit within the DMFA canon. Since I didn't know what was likely to happen after DMFA I did a lot of defensive and/or preventative work. One example of this is the fact that the original arc was set in Furrae's Arctic - that was originally done to isolate them and keep them away from any population centres, just in case there had been some mass cull of 'Cubi as reprisals for Destania's plans.
For this reason there are subjects I was deliberately ambiguous about or did not use extensively to try and prevent some later revelation in DMFA from destroying it completely. One of those tricky areas is whether interdimensional travel is still feasible at all after Destania does what she is going to do, because one very effective means of preventing more Dragons entering the realm would be to stop dimensional travel in and out.
If so, it can be fudged because we don't know
when Jakob got the AI technology - he could probably have kept his prizes in stasis until he was ready to use them. But it means that having a story where they actively use the portals in the post-DMFA scenario runs risks which I as a writer don't particularly want to take.
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 08, 2014, 09:01:09 PM
Quote from: meltingface101 on January 08, 2014, 05:03:28 PM
Dragons and Fae are only in Furrae because nothing they do there will have any consequence to the universe as whole .
If we look at this: http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_842.php
They appear to been taken into one of Amber's other worlds, the one with Anthicus and the others. So I'm not sure they exactly have complete non-intervention policy in the other worlds.
Sorry I wasn't very clear it was stated that destroying Furrae would'nt affect everything at large . This is the only reason they are so open in when it comes to interactions there , when Mab's daughter interacts with a being from another realm she hides all Fae traits .
QuoteActually, you could probably make an interesting story by tying that up with David Icke's belief that the world is secretly run by disguised lizard overlords.
Quite sadly I imagination to write my way out of a wet paper bag :<
Though I did have an idea once for a story with a slightly similar premise , but it involved Cubi attempting to eck out a new life in another universe only to get caught up in a gang war between rivaling cults in a Lovecraft type setting , but I never could refine it .
Also it has been stated that Dan will kill Destina , so that might complicate the banishing all Dragons . Not to mention they were existed prior to most of the other races ,considering they are close to the Fae in terms of power and influence in Furrae removing them would cause absolute chaos . The Fae might be motivated to undo all of Destina's work granted how close they were with Dragon's .
By the way what is Apartment Complexity ?
I don't want to stifle discussion here, but I have to question to thought process behind arguing with the creator about his own comic.
it should be noted that Project Future started as a semi-official spin off of DMFA, but has since grown into it's own comic. Whether or not Tapewolf and Ambaaargh even consider the two comics to be in the same continuity, it's best to just take any continuity issues in stride. The two comics are created by two different writers, and some things are going to change in "translation".
Quote from: meltingface101 on January 08, 2014, 10:42:28 PM
Also it has been stated that Dan will kill Destina , so that might complicate the banishing all Dragons . Not to mention they were existed prior to most of the other races ,considering they are close to the Fae in terms of power and influence in Furrae removing them would cause absolute chaos . The Fae might be motivated to undo all of Destina's work granted how close they were with Dragon's .
Technically, it has been stated that "EEEEEK! I mean the life of Destania has ended at the hands of Daniel Ti'Fiona!!!" (see #295 (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_295.php), last panel).
So "will kill" is a little mistaken.
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 08, 2014, 09:01:09 PM
QuoteAlso the portals your character created only lead to human run worlds where there is no evidence that anyone is enforcing status quo
Actually, you could probably make an interesting story by tying that up with David Icke's belief that the world is secretly run by disguised lizard overlords.
That's not a belief you dummy. IT'S ALL TRUE AAAAAAA :U
Quote from: meltingface101 on January 08, 2014, 10:42:28 PM
Also it has been stated that Dan will kill Destina , so that might complicate the banishing all Dragons . Not to mention they were existed prior to most of the other races ,considering they are close to the Fae in terms of power and influence in Furrae removing them would cause absolute chaos . The Fae might be motivated to undo all of Destina's work granted how close they were with Dragon's .
Yeah, a while back I started explicitly stating the assumption that she does succeed. Destania being killed (by Dan or otherwise) doesn't necessarily stop her plan from happening - she may die afterwards, or Biggs might carry it out in her stead since it looks very much like the dragons tried to exterminate his lot too.
As for the Fae not liking it, given that Mab seems to have befriended several 'Cubi I would not be at all surprised if Destania's grand plan is some part of her overall scheme.
QuoteBy the way what is Apartment Complexity ?
It's the working title for a project that was going to take the middle slot after Abel's Story finished. It got delayed, but last I heard it was still on the cards at some point. It is not set in Furrae, but I'm pretty sure she mentioned it took place in a different plane of the same multiverse.
Some of the character tests are on FA:
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/2730022/
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/2762272/
The Dragon and Fae races have had a lot more together , and Cubi are a relatively new race . There are probably a lot more Fae who are familiar with and have befriended Dragons than those Who have befriended Cubi .
I sincerely doubt a mentally unstable , impulsive Cubi would have chosen something as complicated and non-lethal as banishment . Anyone with sufficient magical know how and power could get around it . The only spell I could see that would fit would be one that destroys the soul of everyone attached to the bloodline of the first Dragon . :U She could wipe out countless people who are related to Dragons like V in Order of The Stick . This would seem more in character for her in my opinion . There are simply to many work arounds to make most other spells practical anyway.
I don't mean to continue the trend of this thread being off topic, but as for the multidimensional portal thing, I think Destania would probably only nullify magically based portals. With the amount of energy Jakob is now generating, isn't it possible for him to find a technological workaround eventually? I know that most of the tech he has was acquired elsewhere but he's had some time with the tech to learn its true capabilities and knows how to use tech in conjunction with magic. Looking at it this way it's not so far fetched. My apologies for my post being so long.
Quote from: Aurik Marr on January 10, 2014, 09:45:05 AM
I don't mean to continue the trend of this thread being off topic, but as for the multidimensional portal thing, I think Destania would probably only nullify magically based portals. With the amount of energy Jakob is now generating, isn't it possible for him to find a technological workaround eventually? I know that most of the tech he has was acquired elsewhere but he's had some time with the tech to learn its true capabilities and knows how to use tech in conjunction with magic. Looking at it this way it's not so far fetched. My apologies for my post being so long.
Possibly, but a lot depends on what Destania is actually planning to do and how widespread the effect is on the dragons.
If her solution involves firewalling Furrae off from the multiverse and eliminating the dragons currently in the Furrae plane, Jakob punching a hole in it could unleash a bunch of very angry dragons back into Furrae and that's likely not a risk he would want to take. Project Epsilon - the sequel to PF - touches on this, and Jakob's reaction to the prospect of Dragons returning involves a him falling in a dead faint.
If she really has found a way to purge them from the entire multiverse - which personally I doubt - that risk doesn't exist.
Either way it's something I'd be a bit reluctant to write about at the moment, I think the gaps in my understanding are a bit too big...
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 10, 2014, 10:38:38 AM
Quote from: Aurik Marr on January 10, 2014, 09:45:05 AM
I don't mean to continue the trend of this thread being off topic, but as for the multidimensional portal thing, I think Destania would probably only nullify magically based portals. With the amount of energy Jakob is now generating, isn't it possible for him to find a technological workaround eventually? I know that most of the tech he has was acquired elsewhere but he's had some time with the tech to learn its true capabilities and knows how to use tech in conjunction with magic. Looking at it this way it's not so far fetched. My apologies for my post being so long.
Possibly, but a lot depends on what Destania is actually planning to do and how widespread the effect is on the dragons.
If her solution involves firewalling Furrae off from the multiverse and eliminating the dragons currently in the Furrae plane, Jakob punching a hole in it could unleash a bunch of very angry dragons back into Furrae and that's likely not a risk he would want to take. Project Epsilon - the sequel to PF - touches on this, and Jakob's reaction to the prospect of Dragons returning involves a him falling in a dead faint.
If she really has found a way to purge them from the entire multiverse - which personally I doubt - that risk doesn't exist.
Either way it's something I'd be a bit reluctant to write about at the moment, I think the gaps in my understanding are a bit too big...
Such things sound like the Fae's domain , any way such an event would probably drive most other races to hate Cubi more . They would see Cubi as a greater threat to stability than Dragons ever were , and collectively put an end to them all if such info ever got out . Given how long she's been holding that grudge , and the fact that Biggs is probably not the first person she has used news has gotten out . The power vacuum such an event would cause would deal a lot of damage on its own , that would take several centuries to properly settle .