Does the lovely Amber want me to make another for her? :) I can.
Also, Holy Heckbuckets! :U Izzat who I think it might be? :erk
CLAN LEADER: QUOAR.
My brother would like me to add:
Amber has just Bazinga'd us all!
Dimanika lives up to her clan reputation by :mowcookie ing the sadfaec from previous strip.
One hat to rule them all.
I thought that previous comic reeked of red herring. Still good to subvert the expectations and have him go somewhere else. Nicely done, Amber. :mowcookie
(http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f362/DPTDTKF/Smileys/Aizen/AIWsmirk.gif) One way or another, this is gonna be sweet.
Also? Loving that stringed instrument. Not sure what kind it is ('lute' comes to mind, probably because I read Order of the Stick), but I do like the flowers. :mowsmile
The funny thing is... I *DO* actually have a hat like that, down to the peacock feather. And I also have the cane, and the outfit from the picture in the clan leader gallery.
Now if only I could get theater-grade anthro prosthetics... I already know how to do the wings, and rig them to stay the hell out of my way when at a con...
Even better, I know someone who would do a PERFECT Fa'Lina, right down to the BEEEBEEEEES!!! squeel.
....Wow. Well played Amber. Well played.
Oh boy! While meeting Quoar at Lost Lake for the first time sounds cool and all.
I can't help but think about how being a wondering Bard fits well with how the cubi killer might get around without raising suspicion. Not only that, but while it sounds like Hizell's wife being decapitated five times by Quoar might make it sound like his wife a Mytho's, it would also be possible for a cubi with a Tri-wing in their clan.
Hope this is more cool and less the Shining kind of introduction of the eldest and coolest looking Tri-wing.
Well, he didn't make it to 75,000 years by being the disposable soldier that gets shot at.
I expect the first clue of Quoar's demise will be when the clan starts using the academy.
Ah, crap! I just thought of something. And since it's Amber, it could happen. :<
What do you want to bet we don't cut to the Lost Lake Inn until after "that really helpful and knowledgeable bard" has left and the only shot we ever see of who it is is the one from today's comic? So not only do we not get to see more of Quoar, but we can't even be sure that is Quoar, because there's a friggin' ton of shape-shifters running about?!
And supporting that this might be an imposter Quoar is the fact that, from what we can see, he's wearing the same exact clothing as he is in the Cubi Clan Leader pic, when every other leader has shown a varied wardrobe. So this could be an imposter who is literally copying Quoar down to his most famous outfit/only outfit he's been seen in outside of his clam.
...
Sometimes I hate how I can't stop thinking...
Well if he's the oldest and most hidden/secret/isolationist clan of all the cubi, he may also have the most extensive spy network of all the cubi, if not all Furrae, and it may be him finally confirming what his spies say. Want the best information, gotta check it out yourself and all that. It's why he doesn't go to/let his kids go to SAIA, he isn't able to gather that much information due to a magically blackout that runs through Fa'lina and that it's a separate plane of existence. And since Abel's not in SAIA, Q-Man can finally confirm for himself.
IF that's how Amber's got the plot stone rolling. :U
Quote from: killpurakat on September 13, 2013, 01:55:57 AM
Ah, crap! I just thought of something. And since it's Amber, it could happen. :<
What do you want to bet we don't cut to the Lost Lake Inn until after "that really helpful and knowledgeable bard" has left and the only shot we ever see of who it is is the one from today's comic? So not only do we not get to see more of Quoar, but we can't even be sure that is Quoar, because there's a friggin' ton of shape-shifters running about?!
And supporting that this might be an imposter Quoar is the fact that, from what we can see, he's wearing the same exact clothing as he is in the Cubi Clan Leader pic, when every other leader has shown a varied wardrobe. So this could be an imposter who is literally copying Quoar down to his most famous outfit/only outfit he's been seen in outside of his clam.
...
Sometimes I hate how I can't stop thinking...
You do love to tempt the fates known as the Ambargh don't ya?
That being said, glad to atleast see signs of him and i just wonder what if any, his reaction to able would be if that is Quoar.
Quote from: Pvblivs on September 13, 2013, 01:30:57 AM
Well, he didn't make it to 75,000 years by being the disposable soldier that gets shot at.
I expect the first clue of Quoar's demise will be when the clan starts using the academy.
He's probably not running around flaunting his hip-wings and going "Hey! I'm a Tri-Wing!" the way that Garrett in the Thief games is makes people go "Guards! Help! It's a
Thief!" just by casually walking down the street.
I don't see any evidence of wings on his avatar so he's almost certainly just going around as a Being and only people who are already familiar with him are likely to know who he is.
For that matter it's probably just a flying visit, so his avatar is likely to be gone before anyone gets there. (Though there is a risk it may bring a full-force attack down on the inn, "just in case")
EDIT:
Quote from: joshofspam on September 13, 2013, 01:22:29 AM
I can't help but think about how being a wondering Bard fits well with how the cubi killer might get around without raising suspicion. Not only that, but while it sounds like Hizell's wife being decapitated five times by Quoar might make it sound like his wife a Mytho's, it would also be possible for a cubi with a Tri-wing in their clan.
I wouldn't make too much of the fact that they were beheadings to narrow it down to a particular individual - that seems to be the catch-all way to make sure someone's dead in Furrae (e.g. the B-O-B, the 'cubi killer, Mink's mother, and Amber's comment that 'cubi doing an assassination will usually "pop their head off like a dandelion" with the wing-tentacles). It's also likely to be common practice for cashing in bounties and suchlike.
Quite a number of interesting things going on in today's comic:
1) So, we have a blue-haired bard with a stylin' top hat headed towards Lost Lake - eeeeenteresting... Careful Amber, you might throw out your hip again with all those plot twists :P (I have also wondered what it would be like for Abel to encounter a member of Quoar)
2) is Dimanika... eating her sadface from the previous comic? Does... does stuff other people envision her with end up becoming real and edible??
3) Mink's nose barely showing in the first panel is adorable. Boop the squiglet's nose! Boop!
I wasn't surprised Quoar or an envoy of his didn't appear at the meeting, they don't use the academy after all. But him (if it is him) showing up at all in the comic caught me off guard.
I can think off three reasons for him to visit the Lost Lake.
1) He found out about Destania's plans and wants to prevent another war (though he might not know her exact location that is why he goes to the inn instead of Twink territory)
2) Quoar goes around making an offer to join his clan to all clanleaderless cubi with heterochromia and the leather/feather wing combo. Like the one we know is staying at the Lost Lake inn right now.
3) He is just randomly passing through the area. What? It is possible.
I do wonder, idly.
If it is Quoar...
... is he there to talk to Abel? Or to Dan? Hrm.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 13, 2013, 06:43:39 AM
I do wonder, idly.
If it is Quoar...
... is he there to talk to Abel? Or to Dan? Hrm.
He may very well have seen Abel here: http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1351.php
...one photo has his eyes, the other has the wings.
I see what you did there Amber! :)
I don't know why (well, I probably do... :mowhappy), but that last panel brings my mind back to 'Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?,' admittedly mixed with several random guitar tunes/songs that my brain deemed appropriate. Hooray for Plot Twists!
And hey, with Quoar there, Abel might actually survive to see the end of this plot arc. He's probably one of four or five beings that I'm aware of that COULD actually stop just about anything that Destania throws his way.
I also know how much *ahem* a rather large portion of the fanbase *ahem* wants to see Abel adopted into Clan Quoar. After all, he's got the eyes and the wings, one wonders if the genetics are there, and close enough that it would count as a link for bringing him over.
I'd be half tempted to say that Quoar's a Spellsinger (ala the Alan Dean Foster novels) if such things exist in Furrae. He literally makes magic with music. Being a traveling bard's a perfect cover for that, as well.
Then again, the song that came to mind when I first saw his clan leader page was "Puttin' on the Ritz" and it's as good an entrance theme for the dapper 'cubi as any. :-)
I note that Seme's representative (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1405.php) has not been named in-comic yet, either.
All sorts of undercurrents flowing about. ;-]
"In Soviet Furrae, Wizard is off to see YOU!" (pardon the trope, though I'm surprised nobody mentioned it till now. ;-) )
I wonder what type of love Quoar is most affiniated with. The Greeks had 4 words that are all loosely translated as "love" in English, requiring qualifiers to differentiate them.
It would seem Nact'larn has cornered the market on Eros, (romance and sex), although lust is actually the dark side of that..
The other three Loves are: Storge (affection, like the bond that close family members feel for eachother); Phileo (friendship, a bond manifested by shared interests or common goals); and Agape (selfless, sacrificial love, which acts for the good of the beloved, even at cost to itself.) Note, the above descriptions are not exhaustive.
Anyway, since Cubi with affinities for "positive" emotions seem to be good-natured in general (Fa'lina for Hope, and Jin for Joy, for example), I hoping that Quoar is like a benevolent Chessmaster.
And next scene.... the hat leaves the scene at Lost Lake... where everyone is dead in a lake of blood. :kruger
Anyway, I think Amber might be pulling a 'hat trick' on us! *rimshot!*
That pretty much 'caps' my theory! *RIMSHOT!!*
I know you think it may be a bit 'around the brim', but I have confidence! I'll stop with the puns before you all become 'fedora' up with them! *wakka wakka!* :3
Funny, when I saw the quote below the comic my brain went to 'Misty Mountain Hop' for some reason.
If Quo is a Chessmaster of Love then I could easily see him putting a potential pawn/futurekin/longlostkin through the gauntlet of "Do you truly love this Jyrras, or are you just using him as a convenient cover for the time being?"
And there's also the aspect that for an avatar (?) of a tri-wing to show up that still has a Clan...
Dangit, now my brain's gone to a combination of Harpers from Pern or the Drasnians from the Belgariad/Malloreon
Quote from: ArchTeryx on September 13, 2013, 09:13:28 AM
I'd be half tempted to say that Quoar's a Spellsinger (ala the Alan Dean Foster novels) if such things exist in Furrae. He literally makes magic with music. Being a traveling bard's a perfect cover for that, as well.
Then again, the song that came to mind when I first saw his clan leader page was "Puttin' on the Ritz" and it's as good an entrance theme for the dapper 'cubi as any. :-)
I always think of this song/music video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XQ7z57qrZU8
And his? That faboo instrument on his back. :3
There might be a spoiling point here though.
Ducky now lives at the inn and we know most likely that Ducky's father and Quoar aren't necessarily on good terms with one another and we have no way of knowing how Quoar will react to a dragon....
Quote from: Prroul on September 13, 2013, 08:15:29 AM
And hey, with Quoar there, Abel might actually survive to see the end of this plot arc. He's probably one of four or five beings that I'm aware of that COULD actually stop just about anything that Destania throws his way.
I also know how much *ahem* a rather large portion of the fanbase *ahem* wants to see Abel adopted into Clan Quoar. After all, he's got the eyes and the wings, one wonders if the genetics are there, and close enough that it would count as a link for bringing him over.
I was just thinking something along the lines of
"Wait a second, isn't Abel Clan Quoar?"
Quote from: killpurakat on September 13, 2013, 01:55:57 AMWhat do you want to bet we don't cut to the Lost Lake Inn until after "that really helpful and knowledgeable bard" has left and the only shot we ever see of who it is is the one from today's comic? So not only do we not get to see more of Quoar, but we can't even be sure that is Quoar, because there's a friggin' ton of shape-shifters running about?
You can probably set your mind at ease on this one. In order for one creature to shape-shift into another creature,
They have to know what that other creature looks like. We, as in the forum readers, have a bit of Meta Knowledge from Demo 101; specifically http://missmab.com/Demo/Leader14.php
What we don't know is whether or not Mab's artwork of the Cubi Clan Leaders is also the artwork that Mink submitted in her report; or if all of
"Mink's drawings" roughly resembled say... page 15 http://missmab.com/Demo/Leader15.php
We might be able to assume that enough people around the academy know what Quoar
should look like; and thus might be able to identify Quoar upon a meeting. Given how little is known of Quoar or his actions inside of the Academy it is a reasonable assumption to say that those outside the academy have even less data.
As it stands then, there is likely only 2 single creatures who might have enough knowledge of Quoar to emulate or simulate his appearance
and are not currently accounted for in the Academy itself; Cyra and Destania. We can probably safely assume that Cyra likely won't be entering lost lake. We can probably also assume that Destania isn't quiet ready yet to kill Abel herself.
So... it probably is Quoar himself entering Lost Lake.
Quote from: Saist on September 13, 2013, 02:41:21 PM
As it stands then, there is likely only 2 single creatures who might have enough knowledge of Quoar to emulate or simulate his appearance and are not currently accounted for in the Academy itself; Cyra and Destania. We can probably safely assume that Cyra likely won't be entering lost lake. We can probably also assume that Destania isn't quiet ready yet to kill Abel herself.
So... it probably is Quoar himself entering Lost Lake.
It could be one of his clan doubling for him, of course, and there's also the argument that if only a few people know exactly what he looks like then a 'good enough' impersonation would be sufficient.
That said, my guess would be that it's probably an avatar of Quoar himself.
I just had a more terrifying thought with Llearch and Tapes discussion about him being there to see either Dan or Abel.
What if this might be connected to what Destania was talking about as she was walking away from Biggs?
Would it be possible that Siar and Quoar weren't on very good speaking terms? Edit: Maybe not likely, but there is certainly a lot more happening in the background that we can see. Not that everything can be figured out as of yet with what's being shown.
I'll have to admit, Quoar is one of those characters that I was hoping would show up in the comic sometime. I'm quite interested to see what he might possibly doing at Lost lake, though its likely to talk to Able. Heh, heh.
And on a side note, I made a hairpiece (http://fav.me/d62l3jt) that might work nicely on Quorar's hat. d=
Out of interest... is that The Hat back from it's adventures with Kria? What stories can it tell us?
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 14, 2013, 08:55:07 AM
Out of interest... is that The Hat back from it's adventures with Kria? What stories can it tell us?
That I cannot answer, but in Furrae, Quoar's hat is supposedly a valentine symbol much like the heart symbol is for us. So replicas of his hat are likely to be two a penny.
i can't be the only one who pictures quoar's voice will be like that of father vincent (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SV9vRfLS8g)
...can i?
Quote from: icarus on September 14, 2013, 09:30:01 AM
i can't be the only one who pictures quoar's voice will be like that of father vincent (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SV9vRfLS8g)
...can i?
FeckArseDrink ?
Oh, wait. You said "Vincent". Nevermind.
A bard goes to an inn and all that comes to my mind, is when a group of my friends and I went to an inn in LOTRO and played Never Gonna Give You Up. Still amuses me how we actually had players in the inn not flame us for playing it but start clapping...
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 14, 2013, 10:57:43 AM
Quote from: icarus on September 14, 2013, 09:30:01 AM
i can't be the only one who pictures quoar's voice will be like that of father vincent (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SV9vRfLS8g)
...can i?
FeckArseDrink ?
Oh, wait. You said "Vincent". Nevermind.
I was thinking rather Kain or Raziel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fvPK1WD3AI), but when I try to envision Kain trying to sing a song of love and I can't envision that....Unless he sings songs like Barry White.
It might be more accurate of trying to match him to a famous singer.
I was thinking Quoar would have had the same type of voice as Spike from Cowboy Bebop or Vash from Trigun really. Just something about his look to me. I dunno why.
Quote from: HaDDea on September 13, 2013, 05:13:02 AM
Quite a number of interesting things going on in today's comic:
2) is Dimanika... eating her sadface from the previous comic? Does... does stuff other people envision her with end up becoming real and edible??
Epic rap battle of history!
Dimanika
Vs
Pinkie Pie
BEGIN!
Quote from: ishidan on September 14, 2013, 07:53:16 PM
Quote from: HaDDea on September 13, 2013, 05:13:02 AM
Quite a number of interesting things going on in today's comic:
2) is Dimanika... eating her sadface from the previous comic? Does... does stuff other people envision her with end up becoming real and edible??
Epic rap battle of history!
Dimanika
Vs
Pinkie Pie
BEGIN!
Pinky:
Dominika? Isn't that like some oracle dude?
You know, pretending to be someone else is really, really rude.
You know that every pony and every brony all want to be friends with me
You creepy little mousy can't even get invited to tea.
I chill in Ponyville, you creep in SAIA
I'd say that you got some friends there, but that'd make me a liar
Ohhh... just go away!
Dimanika
That's Dimanika, you arrogant little pest.
I really ought to serve you up just like I served the rest
You know I got a lot of background on how to deal with kids
I'm in, I'm out, there and gone, and serve 'em up like squid
So unless you want to be a side dish, best make a wish
I'll turn you into leather and glue, just be glad it isn't stew.
Pinky
OhmygoshyouaresuchanevilEVILperson
Ican'tbelieveyou'dactuallydosuchathingyou'reevenworsethan
evenNightmareMoonwon'tkillakid
Ijustreallyreallyreallyreallycan'tbelievewhatyoudid!
*Chibi Eyes*
Dimanika
You rap pretty fast, too bad you don't have a brain
But since it's just me and you, I really shouldn't complain
You...
Practically paedophilia's princess prancin' like Piflak
perfect for perverted pedos to go off and whack
natively naive, pathetically easy to deceive
Your only ethics are all you can believe
go away before my ire you receive.
Pinky: You're EVIL!
Dimanika: Of course, but I've also got cookies...
Pinky: I don't care about... wait, cookies?
Dimanika: White chocolate Macadamia nuuuuut...
Pinky: Ohhh... my favorite! Say, speaking of Macadamia, can we go visit Dot?
Dimanika: Sure, let's go...
WHO WON?
WHO'S NEXT?
YOU DECIDE!
I would imagine since anyone entering Falina's realm gets a magical tracking cookie tacked on to them for a period of time, that would make someone as secretive as Quor not send anyone there.
Damn, Prroul, that's stepping it up! And an Animaniacs reference at the end-bonus points.
Although it's Piflak, not Dimanika, who has been known to go all Cupcakes on someone who angers her. Dima's second stanza also really goes off the board, there.
Quote from: ishidan on September 15, 2013, 01:38:22 AM
Damn, Prroul, that's stepping it up! And an Animaniacs reference at the end-bonus points.
Although it's Piflak, not Dimanika, who has been known to go all Cupcakes on someone who angers her. Dima's second stanza also really goes off the board, there.
Mmm... she WAS the one, however, who would steal dragon's kids and serve them to those who had been wronged by that dragon... Pyro WAS served to Fa'lina on a serving platter...
Let me have a go at my own challenge.
Pinkie:
Hey there little mousie, I love how you grin,
But you've just picked a fight that you can't possibly win.
My name is Pinkie Pie, of MLP fame
To me all of reality is just a funny game!
I conjure things at will, I hop through the fourth wall,
Can you beat that, no way, time for you to take a fall!
Dimanika:
Foolish little filly, I'm twelve thousand years old.
Fourth wall, is that all? Prepare to get told.
I'm a succubi of the first rank, Clan Leader to you,
You don't even have wings, I have three sets, so PTUUUUU!
You lay claim to laughter but I love to confuse.
Right now, I'll be honest, NOBODY LIKES YOU!
Pinkie: *cue hair deflation and mumbled profanities from the audience members who know what terrible mistake Dimanika just made*
...well how about that now we have matching hairdos
nobody likes me, so what, you're still gonna lose
when i'm pinkamena, all reality takes its breaks
tell me, ancient one...have you ever read...CUPCAKES?
*in lieu of a third set of rhymes, Pinkamena conjures a kitchen knife and leaps--*
*--To be caught in midair by a magical field.*
Celestia:
Pinkie Pie, down, girl! This is not gangsta rap!
Fluff up that hair and put some rhymes back on tap.
That's it, cheer up, you're safe here with me
And--
*Celestia is smacked offscreen in an explosion of white feathers*
Fa'lina:
All of you pipe down. This is MY academy.
And yes I know that Pinkie is not Pinkamena during Cupcakes (at least not in the original, never mind what the adaptations on Youtube say), and of course Cupcakes is as non-canon as you can humanly get. Work with it.
If you don't know what Cupcakes is, don't look it up. Especially not on Youtube.
(it took a lot of effort not to try to pothole to TVTrope's "schmuck bait" page on that last sentence...)
*snerk*
Which reminds me, I should check to see if the latest ERB is one I've seen...
Yeeeeee <3 Awesome twist, Amber!
I think this calls for an influx of Quoar-clan member characters.
..Or well at least one, just for fun. I can't wait to see what he's up to. :3
Quote from: joshofspam on September 14, 2013, 03:26:53 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 14, 2013, 10:57:43 AM
Quote from: icarus on September 14, 2013, 09:30:01 AM
i can't be the only one who pictures quoar's voice will be like that of father vincent (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SV9vRfLS8g)
...can i?
FeckArseDrink ?
Oh, wait. You said "Vincent". Nevermind.
I was thinking rather Kain or Raziel (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fvPK1WD3AI), but when I try to envision Kain trying to sing a song of love and I can't envision that....Unless he sings songs like Barry White.
It might be more accurate of trying to match him to a famous singer.
Hmm... If Quoar is a bard with tri-wing 'Cubi powers (and prowess), I'd give him a voice like, say, Josh Groban, or if he's more jazzy, perhaps Michael Buble.
Quote from: Gentlehunter on September 16, 2013, 04:11:58 PM
Hmm... If Quoar is a bard with tri-wing 'Cubi powers (and prowess), I'd give him a voice like, say, Josh Groban, or if he's more jazzy, perhaps Michael Buble.
Sean Connery perhaps? Particularly in his role as James Bond? Heck, any of the older Bonds had that smooth suave debonair voice.
Hm, how about John Astin? (Sp?) The original Gomez Addams, seems like a viable voice for him. :P
Currently I imagine him being voiced by Skip Stellrecht, aka Henry Douglas Grey, who voices Might Guy on Naruto. That might change depending on his behavior, though. Right now I agree that he seems super suave, but I also imagine him being a bit flashy as well, given his manner of dress and that he seems to be a bard. I also think he's reclusive out of necessity rather than choice.
For a nice voice, there's the Sherlock Actor(or the villain in the new Star Trek Movie if you haven't seen Sherlock yet), Benedict Cumberbatch.
The big thing on that is adaptability, and having heard several audio-books he's narrated, yeaaah, it's good.
For some reason I picture Quoar with hints of Irish, personally.
So, Morgan Freeman, then?
/get busy living or get busy dying
for some reason I can only imagine him with the voice of Nigel Thorberry .
Quote from: Laplace5 on September 17, 2013, 11:04:50 PM
For some reason I picture Quoar with hints of Irish, personally.
Andrew Scott, then? (look up Moriarty on BBC's Sherlock, he's reaaaally evil!)
Oh lordy, now I just had a terrifying crossover vision. Imagine if SStB's spell from Magical Mystery Cure was cast into this meeting...
For the uninitiated:
MLP: FIM cutie marks and DMFA's cubi clan marks share a few traits: both represent their owners' innate talents and desires. Both can be changed.
In MLP, the connection between personality and mark goes both ways: a mark will appear when a character finds their innate talent, and will reflect that talent. An altered mark can go the other way, driving its owner to attempt to perform the action represented by the mark.
Obviously, MLP marks are unique while DMFA's are duplicated and organized by Clan, but there's only one official Clan rep from each Clan at the meeting of those that have so far appeared, so it's irrelevant.
In Magical Mystery Cure, a botched spell caused marks to switch between characters-but the switch was incomplete, as the characters gained the drive to perform the associated talent, but not the skill. Therefore, they quickly end off with an easily enraged hothead attempting to take care of a menagerie of wild animals (Rainbow Dash with Fluttershy's), a coward attempting to be a stand-up comedian (Fluttershy with Pinkie's), a party animal attempting to perform manual labor (Pinkie with Applejack's), a lunk attempting to create high fashion (Applejack with Rarity's), and a perfectionist artist trying to perform a repetitive duty (Rarity with Rainbow Dash's).
Imagine the chaos that would result from switching around personalities in THIS meeting...
Let's see, we've got the perfectionist artist (Piflak) and the party animal (Dimanika), but we're replacing the rest with the sexpot (Nact'larn), the grouch (Zezzuva), the horrifying (Kish'ta's rep), and the organized (Fa'Lina). Dan has yet to really internalize Cyra's affinity of Pain, so I guess he gets to sit out and play the part of Spike...
I must confess, I have been waiting for this for ages!! Gimmegimmegimme!!! :erk
I'm hoping he's a master manipulator. Can you imagine someone as bad as Mabs or Albanion?