This would be a good place to continue the God of Thunder nattering started elsewhere. We can also talk about ancient PC games that we remembered and liked here. Found an old treasure that you'd forgotten about? Let's talk about it here. Collecting old games would probably be more apt for actually seeking out old games, though.
So, God of Thunder! And more.
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on September 01, 2006, 09:46:08 AM
I have those sounds saved somewhere.. I like the "Ooh" every time you pick up gems/etc.
There's plenty of humor out of getting caught by the guards in the 3rd chapter, but I won't spoil any of that if you don't remember.
I've ... actually forgotten about the guards, which is why I need to replay it again.
The "Ooh!" I remember distinctly though. "Ooh! GLOMP! Ooh! Ooh! Glomp! AAAH!".
I remember a game called Galactix.. or something.. it was pretty repetitive, but that's how arcade-ish games are. I need to go find out where I put it... I think it was freeware...
If you do, let me know.
I've gone kind of nuts about old PC games lately. I blame DosBox for this because there's no threat to the PC due to the emulated environment. Unless the virus is targeted at DosBox of course but that's highly unlikely and people would find it pretty fast.
I like having that layer of security, yay for emulated environments. I loves DosBox.
Okay, let's see what I can remember ...
Ooh! Hey, do you remember Claw? I played the Demo of that but I never did buy it because I could never find it. Same with Shakii the Wolf. Indie-ish games are always so bloody hard to find when they decide to release hard copies. This is why I'm so happy about the digital download revolution. Indie games can now be found everywhere, yay!
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This one, Ari (http://www.dosgamesarchive.com/download/game/108)?
Haven't heard of those, but there's one game that constantly stands out in my mind -
Zone 66. Once you bend to its will and do everything it tells you to do (which can be hard), it's pretty much the fastest running, best looking game that can be played on a 386... To my knowledge.
I think I remember Zone 66, was it something to do with weird future traffic control? I remember almost mangling a pad trying to get that game to bend to my will. <.<
No, it was a 2D overhead semi-free flying shooter... think SF64 all range mode... you can't leave the borders.. but anyway, you shoot down the other guys, and bomb landbased things such as enemy launch pads, guns, and of course, your targets.
I personally enjoyed Battlespire, as obscure as it may be. :P It still stands as the only Elder Scrolls game to have multiplayer. :3 I kinda wish they would remake it...it's rather broken under DOSBox and most other emulators.
DOSBox is getting better, though... Runs a lot more stuff than it used to.
Hm... How about Interpose, anyone?
Aridas: That sounds about right, actually. I remember it playing like that. I was mostly talking about the story though, I think at the start they say something about your role dealing with roudy traffic law breakers on the route of zone 66? I could be totally wrong here, though.
Seraline: I always really, really wanted to play Battlespire, mostly because it looked like multiplayer Daggerfall and I have to say that that would be a wholly worthwhile endeavour.
Interpose: ... I keep thinking of Microcosm for some reason when I see that. Anyway, Interpose, was that that R-Type-ish 2D shooter?
1. I don't think so. The only story that i can actively remember was the intro, which had something to do with this guy's home city getting bombed, or something. overdramatic stuff.
2. Yeah, it was r-type-ish, and if i remember right, it had something to do with lynxes?
It did! This reminds me of something else too, I can't remember the name of it though, Infinite Realms? Something like that, where one could actually spend most of the game playing as a Wolf ... or a human woman if they preferred but I always went with the Wolf.
As for Zone 66, okay, I must be thinking of something else. Perhaps it was a Zone 66 clone and that's why I remember it that way because it was frequently spoken of in the same breath.
I think I'll do a quick websearch.
... ah! What I was thinking of was apparently Traffic Department 2192 (http://koti.mbnet.fi/ktalo/kapseli/pelit/2001--3/td2192/td209.gif) and I recall that I always used to got it mixed up with Zone 66 back in the day, too. <.<
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Inner Worlds (http://www.sleepless.com/iw/inner.html)! That's what I was thinking of.
Sounds like fun stuff. :)
I also wanted to mention Deus, I thought it was rather interesting. I only wish it had been a bit less linear, and bigger.
But Robinson's Requiem makes my head hurt.
I don't even know how many times I have died of violent traumatism.
Then again, I think if you do something as minor as stub your toe, you die. D: In that game, the act of merely existing constitutes a health hazard.
Hee, I remember Robinson's Requiem. I can still recall sitting down and playing it for the first time ...
What the bloody, bloody, bloody hell am I supposed to be doing?
I also remember Deus, which was much better. The only prob with Deus though is that it was a tad unstable, so if one did stuff that the game wasn't expecting (like I did frequently), it'd lockup the game and the PC. Apparently they've patched up most of the bugs now so I'm tempted to go back and try it again.
Quote from: Rowne on September 01, 2006, 11:35:13 AM
I also remember Deus, which was much better. The only prob with Deus though is that it was a tad unstable, so if one did stuff that the game wasn't expecting (like I did frequently), it'd lockup the game and the PC. Apparently they've patched up most of the bugs now so I'm tempted to go back and try it again.
I'd say give it a go, it actually runs fine under Windows XP, which is a little scary. D: The only problem is that, on my PC at least, the sounds don't work properly. But that is what VDMSound is for. :)
My minimal experience with these old PC games has been enjoyable in the past, but I'm only old enough for Doom/Starcraft to be 'old' games I've actively played.
All this talk is making me want to go out and get some though >> I'm deciding wethere I should thank or hate you all :P
To keep it minorly on subject, Warhammer 40K: Chaos Gate. I looked at it, and while it didn't seem incredibly good, i'm a 40K player, and tried desperately to find a working demo or something. It didn't exist, as far as I found, anyone else know of the game, better review than what screenshots give me, and maybe a source for a working demo? *will get DosBox and see if that makes a difference on it << If he can find the demo agin XP*
GameSpot has a review (http://uk.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/warhammer40000chaosgate/index.html), ActionTrip has the demo (http://www.actiontrip.com/files/demos/warhammer40000chaosgate.phtml) and DosBox will assuredly run most DOS games better than XP (http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/) (though if they do run in XP, you might want to use XP's command shell and VDMSound instead since that's also a nice solution). *Perky.*
Also, Home of the Underdogs (http://www.the-underdogs.info/) and Abandonia (http://www.abandonia.com/) are great places for finding old DOS games, here's an example of that (http://www.the-underdogs.info/search.php?search_game=warhammer).
Hmm... There's a game you'll be lucky enough to just even find on the internet... I haven't. But I do have it. It's called "Incunabula", and to my limited knowledge I can only assume the game never made it out of "beta". It was basically some FF-ish RPG with terrible graphics and stolen, cut music converted into some obscure but frequently used format.
There is no doubt that when it comes to DOS game-hunting capabilities, I am worthy (http://digihosters.com/~cdosorg/std_games_review.php?gameid=698&PHPSESSID=87b974cd69361e573cca5daee0f15be8).
Thank you greatly, Rowne. I forsee a lack of sleep in my future...
Of course, if you like Warhammer 40,000, one has to wonder and even ask; do you also enjoy Space Crusade / Space Hulk? If so, here's a few more avenues of unsleep to exploit; Space Crusade (http://www.the-underdogs.info/game.php?id=1016) (DOS), Space Hulk (http://www.the-underdogs.info/game.php?gameid=1017) (DOS), Space Hulk: the FPS (http://www.the-underdogs.info/game.php?gameid=3237), an unofficial clone (http://www.happypenguin.org/show?Space%20Hulk) of Space Hulk which looks nifty and yet another clone (http://www.happypenguin.org/show?Sulk).
I'll stop now or I fear you'll end up beating me with a heavy object to make me stop. <.<
*ahem* like I said, you will be lucky to find Incunabula on the internet.
This is an entirely different incunabula... that one's not even an RPG, or by the company digitorus. Heck, this beta is 4MB. I doubt something with PCX graphics and mod-based music is going to be less than 100KB.
Howver, this elusive Incunabula that I speak of is also subtitled "The Unspoken Secrets", so maybe that'll help.
Beating you for opening the doors to more and more excellent games? I would never!
I've personally never played Space Hulk, but I did get on of the Space Hulk games playing on my old PC *Windows ME or somethign*, and it was a pretty interesting way to pass the time once I got the hang of how it worked.
kaos: Oh good ... because I might have more for you later. I'm sure there are some that I've missed.
Ari: I did find it here (http://194.100.161.11/Apaja/alueet/tiedostot.asp?ParentID=&faid=299&Sort=Size&Order=DESC&Kohta=41) but sites like that terrify me, muchly.
The only thing I see anywhere for that are links on free sites linking to game sites that've long deleted the demos and reviews said free sites link to.
Quote from: Rowne on September 01, 2006, 12:31:33 PM
kaos: Oh good ... because I might have more for you later. I'm sure there are some that I've missed.
Ari: I did find it here (http://194.100.161.11/Apaja/alueet/tiedostot.asp?ParentID=&faid=299&Sort=Size&Order=DESC&Kohta=41) but sites like that terrify me, muchly.
No, I will not harm you. Unless you consider praise and thanks harm. Then you're done for.
You a terrified with good reason.
Ari: Oh ... I didn't click them. Like I said, sites like that terrify me. I guess I can't find that one then. I'm officially stumped! Stumped, says I.
kaos: Ohnoes, the praise! Give it to Amber instead, she can have the praise!
Unfortunately neither of the servers for Chaos Gate had it anymore. oh well :\
I'll look around another time
I had a standby just in case, this should definitely work (considering the source) (http://www.fileplanet.com/11574/10000/fileinfo/Warhammer-40,000:-Chaos-Gate) but you'll have to wait in line to get it. :/
Fileplanet, I think thats where I got it from last time. Maybe it'll work now that I ahve DosBox<< *hopes for the best*
Oh, there's a good 3D maze-type game for DOS called "Get Lost!", but unfortunately I can't find the registered version. Not that there aren't quite a few mazes in the unregistered version.
(also, I have a bit of a beef with cdos.org, what with it's recent (as far as I know) introduction of nagging anyone who doesn't use firefox EVERY SINGLE TIME you load a page, telling you how it's incompatible, despite the fact it works JUST FINE for me. I swear they also bombard IE users with popups on purpose. IE blips me a few times because it had to block 2 or 3 at a time.)
anyone remember a game calle LHX attack chopper... It might not be considered that old but it was a fun chopper sim
I had one girl at school who kept getting mad at me fo shooting camels with hellfire missles.
But if you realy want to know what I miss, those old text based adventure games
I can't blame CDos for promoting Firefox but they should promote K-Meleon, Galleon and loads of other non-IE browsers too. They're likely just doing it for the safety of the internet.
I doubt I'll be able to find that Get Lost! one, the name is a bit vague to do any skillful searching of.
Oh and TGH, I have indeed heard of that game. In fact, a recent PC Zone issue reviewed the budget version.
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on September 01, 2006, 10:23:34 AM
Haven't heard of those, but there's one game that constantly stands out in my mind -
Zone 66. Once you bend to its will and do everything it tells you to do (which can be hard), it's pretty much the fastest running, best looking game that can be played on a 386... To my knowledge.
ZOMG, I was addicted to the demo of that... D:
If it helps any, Get Lost's "company" is "Tom Bombadil's Software Emporium and House of Curiosities".
I THINK I can grab the shareware version from the original site via archive.org, but other than that, nothing.
Oh my, you do know of some really obscure stuff, don't you Aridas? I respect that because knowledge of obscurities is something that I admire, it's something that not many people know of. Unfortunately, that makes such games hard to find, though. It's not on any of the sites that I know of and I've done some extensive poking around the 'net and turned up ...not a thing.
I'll keep poking, though. I might get lucky.
I just found Zone 66. It took me five seconds. Love this site.
http://www.abandonia.com/games/387/download/Zone66.htm
Zone 66 had some of the most impressive music of any old game. The intro cut scene still sticks with me to this day, too.
I hated Battlespire. It got released right at the worst time of gaming, when certain games wouldn't run on the new releases of operating systems (I think Windows ME was being pushed), and it was a time when 3D graphics were "the thing" to do despite looking really shoddy compared to the time tested and beautiful 2D alternative. The daedra girls were hot though, and it had more legitimacy to the world lore than, say, Redguard.
Quote from: Rowne on September 01, 2006, 12:25:05 PM
Of course, if you like Warhammer 40,000, one has to wonder and even ask; do you also enjoy Space Crusade / Space Hulk?
I'll stop now or I fear you'll end up beating me with a heavy object to make me stop. <.<
I rather enjoyed Space Hulk: Vengeance of the Blood Angels, but I didn't get to play it much until very recently when I discovered my boyfriend has a 3DO and a copy of it. Something about splattering Genestealers into nice gooey bits really gets to me. >:3
The first time I played it, I didn't have a clue about what I was doing, and ended up immolating myself. :B
Quote from: Netami on September 01, 2006, 07:39:32 PM
I hated Battlespire. It got released right at the worst time of gaming, when certain games wouldn't run on the new releases of operating systems (I think Windows ME was being pushed), and it was a time when 3D graphics were "the thing" to do despite looking really shoddy compared to the time tested and beautiful 2D alternative. The daedra girls were hot though, and it had more legitimacy to the world lore than, say, Redguard.
Yeah, the stupid VESA crap it used caused me problems back in the day, and is the primary reason why DOSBox can't really run it. Blah.
As for the daedra girls...yeah, they are pretty sexy. :3
I never did get to play Redguard, so I wouldn't know about how well it fits into TES lore. Never could find it anywhere. :P
I just wanted to put another thanks in to Rowne, primarily, for getting me into this really >> Installing Space Hulk in DOSBox as I type. Chaos Gate seems to be screwy, but i'll mess with it some.
Seraline: Speaking of immolation, I'm not sure whether you're citing it directly but you've just highlighted one of the joys of gaming there: flamethrowers. I always find much more joy in a game when I have such a weapon at hand. I admit that on some carnal level, this was one of the reasons I enjoyed SiN. That and the heavy-gunners, whilst on fire, did not run around screaming too much and they tended to bark "Put me out, NOW." at their minions, which always amused me.
It's almost certain that when I get my grubby paws on Team Fortress II, I'll playa Pyro first. Just so I can go nuts with the flamethrower. Thankfully, I'm not an idiot with a flamethrower so I tend not to set team-mates on fire when I play games that have them. I do go kind of batty though, especially if the flamer has the people flamed running around and flailing their limbs pointlessly, bumping into other people and sending this off on a domino effect of gruesome proportions.
Again, with flamethrowers, I think that's why I actually stuck with Neocron as opposed to playing it too much. That and the fact that I was the Hermit of Zone 51. I guy who lived out in an abandoned military base in the middle of nowhere and frequently chased off radioactive dragons with a gigantic flamethrower, that was always funny. I even had one person mistake me for an NPC once, due to how much I hung around there. It was so much more entertaining than the city itself.
So yes, I'll stop talking about one of my favourite FPS weapons now and draw this to a close. I really think though it's because I like unique guns. Bullets just aren't that appealing to me, sure they're functional but they're not all that amusing or entertaining. Now flamethrowers can be but still, I haven't seen weapons that have yet outdone those in Duke Nukem 3D. The shrinker and the icer were about the best guns ever put in a game.
Quote from: Rowne on September 02, 2006, 07:37:02 AM
So yes, I'll stop talking about one of my favourite FPS weapons now and draw this to a close. I really think though it's because I like unique guns. Bullets just aren't that appealing to me, sure they're functional but they're not all that amusing or entertaining.
Does giving an entire enemy team the plague count? :) Had that happen to me only once, great feeling. I think it was in Well.
That's oddly humourous, too.
It's like the needles in The Ship, they're fun for both the hunter and the prey. The hunter gets money (yay, money!), the prey gets to run around and randomly throw up on people, for their own amusement. It's a win-win situation.
The best part of that is infecting people through the startgate in Osaka. However, you sometimes get lamers who type "kill" after being infected to steal your kill.
Yeah, they're no fun at all.
Myself, if I get infected, I choose to pass the time by finding the nearest person, chasing them as if I were there murderer only to throw up on them and flee, leaving them dazed and confused.
Actually, that's not the only way I daze and confuse people. Breaking actions, leaving their animations running, is so wrong.
As an example of this, I can't think of any other game in which I can chase a person with a needle whilst also attempting to pee on them.
The Ship is wrong in so, so many ways.
And I love it dearly.
Let me see.... old games? Hmm. I hereby invoke the name Civilization. I also invoke the name X-Com. :mwaha
Descent.
Descent? Where? I remember LOVING that game. I still have it on a "Best of 3D action games" disc somewhere, or a demo at least >>
Descent at Abandonia (http://www.abandonia.com/genre.php?search=descent).
Descent II at the Underdogs (http://www.the-underdogs.info/game.php?gameid=2759).
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Oh and a nice addition if you can't get them running well in DosBox ...
The Descent engines converted to modern formats (http://www.icculus.org/d2x/).
I cut my teeth on that game... Ah.... :)
Quote from: Rowne on September 02, 2006, 10:00:27 PM
Descent at Abandonia (http://www.abandonia.com/genre.php?search=descent).
Descent II at the Underdogs (http://www.the-underdogs.info/game.php?gameid=2759).
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Oh and a nice addition if you can't get them running well in DosBox ...
The Descent engines converted to modern formats (http://www.icculus.org/d2x/).
Descent 2 already had a windows version I think. As for the unmentioned Descent 3, where'd that go?
The thing with Descent II is that it's ancient enough so that it wouldn't run well on XP, I doubt, which is why I included the engine. As I recall, Descent III is much, much newer and thus likely wouldn't be considered as oldware yet nor would it have trouble running on XP.
Though I'll take a look around, if you'd like!
No, I mean, my Descent II CD has an actual windows version. Not just DOS. I think the Windows version didn't allow for CD music though.
edit: Mwahahaha, I'm aware of a private tracker with a torrent for 8GB of DOS games... now all I need is a similarly complete windows game torrent...
I've been playing Siege, Dogs Of War, Ambush & Walls Of Rome for over 10 years now :U, and I still absolutely roll with it. It's the best :zombiekun2
Only thing I'm sad about is that there's no page around to share scenarios there.
Oh, and Raptor: Call of the Shadows rules. And Hocus Pocus, but there's no full version available, I think.
I have raptor and hocus pocus, I like both :3
Was Raptor that fighter jet top-down scroller? That was a cool game.
I loved Raptor, I got really good at it at one point to >>
It also was on that "Best of 3d action games" CD I have somewhere
The game got boring though after a while... Anything short of starting the game out on elite isn't that much of a challenge. once you've got all the always-active weapons and the dual blue laser things, there's not really anything that poses a threat.
Quote from: Aridas Soulfire on September 04, 2006, 09:04:36 AM
I have raptor and hocus pocus, I like both :3
D'You know where I can get Pocus (not that shareware thingy)?
Other than straight from me, I really don't know.
My favourite of the old pc games is Masters of Magic. Great gameplay and replayability and the animations didn't need improving for it to be great, sadly it only works in DOS. I've heard that it's possible too, with the right stuff, make it run in Windows, albeit only on W95. :mowsad
Quote from: Aldoun on September 14, 2006, 03:14:41 AM
My favourite of the old pc games is Masters of Magic. Great gameplay and replayability and the animations didn't need improving for it to be great, sadly it only works in DOS. I've heard that it's possible too, with the right stuff, make it run in Windows, albeit only on W95. :mowsad
:batman Dosbox to the rescue! :batman
http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/news.php?show_news=1
Dosbox is a dos-emulator for windows, linux, beos, and MacOS X.
The mow no longer needs to be sad, for
Masters of Magic is supported, along with many other ancient pc games.
It's amusing that DosBox has been mentioned in this thread so many times already. I've mentioned it more than once myself, a few times I believe. DosBox seems to be the hero of every old gamer, a real champion of open source goodness.
I'm almost tempted to prod people towards their donation box ...but I won't.
Conversely, Alt+0133 is an interesting alternative to '...'. Of course, fonts that don't have a full ASCII char-set will probably go a bit nuts trying to display it.
I did look around for Hocus Pocus just to note ...but I couldn't find it.
Also, I too loved Raptor but I loved Tyrian so much more. I really miss that game and all its crazy, insane cheat-codes. There were many and they were indeed varied and strange. In fact, I miss a lot of old shareware games. I actually wouldn't mind playing OneMustFall again. <.< Of course, that's easy now since I believe it was legally released as freeware. Unless I've been smoking something.
One Must Fall or One Must Fall 2097? >.>
On a related note, I hate how no matter how many upgrades you buy in OMF2097's tournament thingie, the next opponent over will be pretty much your equal, if not worse >.<
2097. I don't think the non-robot OMF was ever released. And given the option of playing a fighting game with people or stompy robots, I pick the stompy robots.
It was in several of those shareware game packs, so i'd say it was, technically... I think it was more of a test game than anything, though. Just a "We can do this" game.
Yeah, that's what it pretty much was as I've read, I just figured it was for internal testing only though, rather than something they released for public opinion. Live and learn.
The mechanics in it were okay too but it was just so blasé really, riding the wave of popularity from console 2D fighters. Had they released it like that, it would've done well but in introducing the robot mechanics, I think they pretty much did something truly innovative with it instead.
I'd love to see a true update to it, in fact. I remember that a few years back, it was being talked about and screenshots were even released. Did that ever come to anything beyond the screenshots and demo? I can't remember seeing it in any stores so I'm curious.
If it was released, was it any good?
Quote from: Vidar on September 14, 2006, 05:21:17 AM
Quote from: Aldoun on September 14, 2006, 03:14:41 AM
My favourite of the old pc games is Masters of Magic. Great gameplay and replayability and the animations didn't need improving for it to be great, sadly it only works in DOS. I've heard that it's possible too, with the right stuff, make it run in Windows, albeit only on W95. :mowsad
:batman Dosbox to the rescue! :batman
http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/news.php?show_news=1
Dosbox is a dos-emulator for windows, linux, beos, and MacOS X.
The mow no longer needs to be sad, for Masters of Magic is supported, along with many other ancient pc games.
:mowhappy
Great, now I've just got to find the disk and manage to install the game. I can make neither heads nor tails out of the download I tracked down :mowdizzy
a few of the older epic megagames classics have become freeware. most recently was tyrian 2000 (one of my favorite games ever). jazz jackrabbit and one must fall 2097 are also available for free now. I know the latter two can be found at www.the-underdogs.info, and I think the third one can as well. I do know for sure that tyrian can be found at tyrian2000.cjb.net, though.
awesome games, all of them.
also, major fans of one must fall 2097 should check out www.omfuniverse.tk, if only for the user-made tournaments and the tournament maker.
Ancient PC, eh? Let's see... some good games from way back when... (when I was growing up)
And a disclaimer... I grew up with a good old C64 and an Amiga. Fun times.
First, can't forget the company Infocom. Classic text games such as Zork, Enchanter, and a whole bunch of others. Good stuff.
M.U.L.E. was also fun, up to 4 players, and you could play a game in an hour or 2. Colonize the planet Irata and see who can become the wealthiest.
Choplifter and Wizard of Wor were fun arcade-style games.
Sinbad and the Throne of the Falcon... Defender of the Crown... also good. By Cinemaware, as I recall. Both for the Amiga. Billing you as participating in an "interactive movie," one had you playing Sinbad, trying to restore the Caliph to normal and defeat the Black Prince. The other had you trying to reclaim England as Ivanhoe. If any of you have played any of the Lords of the Realm series, similar to an early precursor of that.
I also remember playing Marble Madness on the Amiga, but I don't think we had it for very long.
I'm sure there are several that I'm forgetting, but those are a few of the fun games I remember.