Well, they seem to be going. Though those middle panels make me think it's some kind of codephrase and they'll be back very soon. But if it gives them time to get Abel patched up and Alexsi back on her feet, it will be a welcome respite.
Never trust sudden changes of tone. NEVER (also nite seems to be the smartest one of the group by far)
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Quote from: Ignuus66 on September 18, 2012, 06:55:03 AM
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I decided I liked your title better (mine was 'Cue the sinister music', referring to the previous thread).
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 18, 2012, 06:57:33 AM
Quote from: Ignuus66 on September 18, 2012, 06:55:03 AM
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I decided I liked your title better (mine was 'Cue the sinister music', referring to the previous thread).
Thanks.
Now back to topic: I am guessing that nite is either trying to get more information on Jyrras and his weapon, will come back soon, and/or is using scare tactics while trying to regroup.
Jyrras has his first nemesis! One of the other problems of being famous, apart from photographers bugging you, enemies just need to do a quick internet search to find out all they need.
QuoteThough those middle panels make me think it's some kind of codephrase and they'll be back very soon.
I'm getting that same impression. This is definitely not over.
Quote from: Ignuus66 on September 18, 2012, 07:01:43 AM
Now back to topic: I am guessing that nite is either trying to get more information on Jyrras and his weapon, will come back soon, and/or is using scare tactics while trying to regroup.
I wondered if he was making an implicit threat to tell folks about the weapon. I still hope we learn what happened to Merlitz and/or Aliyka.
Poor Jyrras, your name is a household name these days. You'd have to range pretty far to find someone who didn't know who Mr. Bachelor of the Year was.
Yea, not done yet, but Nyte isn't willing to get into a pissing match with Zvinth... yet. However, one year of protection is only one year.
Methinks he's also got something up his sleeve. I'm betting he's also pretty sure they were barking up the wrong tree, and is using this as an excuse to extract from an op which has already gone pear-shaped.
I'm also betting that this isn't over yet either. Not by a long mile.
After a year J will probably make sure to keep a few friends around, including a certain academy student.
I also note that Skirmish seems to have the vocabulary of a
Populous the beginning tribe (about ten words )
Quote from: Wanderer on September 18, 2012, 07:22:23 AM
QuoteThough those middle panels make me think it's some kind of codephrase and they'll be back very soon.
I'm getting that same impression. This is definitely not over.
Considering 'Behooves' mean advantage or benefit. Yes
Quote from: Prroul on September 18, 2012, 07:56:38 AM
Yea, not done yet, but Nyte isn't willing to get into a pissing match with Zvinth... yet. However, one year of protection is only one year.
A year of Kria's battle ax waiving in the air and threatening to chomp off parts that cross the wrong lines is rather intimidating. Though I wasn't sure until now if Jyrras's fame would be known by any of BOB.
It only seems like Nite knew who he was though. Using Jyrras's name at the end there certainly was one heck of a parting shot.
While I agree that it is not over for Jyrrus and his friends, I think Nite's parting remark was more of a mind game rather than a threat. i.e. Nite seems to be trying to unnerve Jyrrus rather than threatening him.
That or he might actually be concerned what will happen to Jyrrus once word gets out about his little toy. He may be concerned about Jy-Jy's well being, or concerned about the technology getting into the wrong hands. Probably the latter.
And wrong hands does not necessarily mean Creatures. As adventurers they would probably not want every Being being armed with Jy-Jy's firearms. That would probably put adventurers like them out of business.
Quote from: Plotting on September 18, 2012, 08:56:27 AM
And wrong hands does not necessarily mean Creatures. As adventurers they would probably not want every Being being armed with Jy-Jy's firearms. That would probably put adventurers like them out of business.
If that would happen that would be enough to spark a full on Creature vs Being war, and there Adventurers would have quite a job.
You know, I feel like the panels are missing something. Like, a certain unconscious person leaving or being carried away.
Quote from: MT Hazard on September 18, 2012, 08:24:26 AM
After a year J will probably make sure to keep a few friends around, including a certain academy student.
There may not be a year left before things come to a head with Mab and Destania's plans.
Quote from: Ignuus66 on September 18, 2012, 09:01:33 AM
Quote from: Plotting on September 18, 2012, 08:56:27 AM
And wrong hands does not necessarily mean Creatures. As adventurers they would probably not want every Being being armed with Jy-Jy's firearms. That would probably put adventurers like them out of business.
If that would happen that would be enough to spark a full on Creature vs Being war, and there Adventurers would have quite a job.
In a full on Creature vs Being war you would likely need soldiers, not small bands of adventurers. Unless you need guerrilla fighters.
Quote from: Plotting on September 18, 2012, 09:14:09 AM
Quote from: Ignuus66 on September 18, 2012, 09:01:33 AM
Quote from: Plotting on September 18, 2012, 08:56:27 AM
And wrong hands does not necessarily mean Creatures. As adventurers they would probably not want every Being being armed with Jy-Jy's firearms. That would probably put adventurers like them out of business.
If that would happen that would be enough to spark a full on Creature vs Being war, and there Adventurers would have quite a job.
In a full on Creature vs Being war you would likely need soldiers, not small bands of adventurers. Unless you need guerrilla fighters.
indeed, but adventurers are well trained... Also wars in Furrae seem to be different.
I can see it now - "Bachelor of the Year Fires on Adventurers With Gun of Own Invention."
Reminds me of "Drunken Billionaire Burns Down Home." Soon Jyrras is going to have much the same reputation as Bruce Wayne.
Quote from: Plotting on September 18, 2012, 08:56:27 AM
And wrong hands does not necessarily mean Creatures. As adventurers they would probably not want every Being being armed with Jy-Jy's firearms. That would probably put adventurers like them out of business.
But if everybody has a gun and Creatures don't rampage or kill because anyone can kill them back without an adventurer, isn't that a good thing?
Quote from: MT Hazard on September 18, 2012, 07:16:13 AM
Jyrras has his first nemesis! One of the other problems of being famous, apart from photographers bugging you, enemies just need to do a quick internet search to find out all they need.
Photographers bugging him... considering that Chicki the giant insect seemed to be the main one that was camping on his lawn, I think this rates a:
Bad pun, bad! No cookie!
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 18, 2012, 09:09:20 AM
Quote from: MT Hazard on September 18, 2012, 08:24:26 AM
After a year J will probably make sure to keep a few friends around, including a certain academy student.
There may not be a year left before things come to a head with Mab and Destania's plans.
Considering Fa'Lina's "I'm sure everyone here at the academy will be safe for the next month" comment, I doubt they have more than a month before the mows hit the fan.
Oh my Faust, Amber actually updated MID-WEEK! :erk It's the end of the world! Panic! :reaper
I think Behoves was used as a code word. Things may have gotten very bad for Jyras
Quote from: Hariman on September 18, 2012, 11:08:14 AM
Quote from: Plotting on September 18, 2012, 08:56:27 AM
And wrong hands does not necessarily mean Creatures. As adventurers they would probably not want every Being being armed with Jy-Jy's firearms. That would probably put adventurers like them out of business.
But if everybody has a gun and Creatures don't rampage or kill because anyone can kill them back without an adventurer, isn't that a good thing?
After Creatures are no longer a threat, Beings would probably start fighting among themselves like Creatures are now. That would allow Creatures to take advantage and rise again, and we're back to square one. Or we could see a massive magic/tech arms race. I'm guessing your basic dark/light/various elemental spells haven't been improved upon much over the centuries- this could spark some serious research.
I just had a horrible thought, what if this is part of Mab's master plan. Instill Jyrras with a sense of fear from Nite, thus the roo-rat goes double time on weapons research?
Behooves. Yes. That was a nice subtle way of saying "This person is under hoofed protection", or "Kria is protecting this person, we're gonna back off".
Very nice to see the wrecking crew have ways of telling each other things that aren't obvious in front of people they don't wish to enlighten about it. Extremely nice. Very professional. And I do want to see what happens next.
And what happens when Dan finds out.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 18, 2012, 02:46:58 PM
Behooves. Yes. That was a nice subtle way of saying "This person is under hoofed protection", or "Kria is protecting this person, we're gonna back off".
Oh, right... be
hooves. Can't believe I didn't notice that; I'd just thought it was a rare enough word that they'd assigned its use some prior meaning. But I guess it's probably either that, or they know about Albanion. (But they don't know about Albanion.)
...okay, now I'm thinking of Patti Smith for some reason.
In any case, is Jyrras really
that surprised they know his name? He was modestly famous even before Albanion "cursed" him, and now he's got the paparazzi hounding him at every turn.
Quote from: Lying Foo on September 18, 2012, 03:06:47 PM
In any case, is Jyrras really that surprised they know his name? He was modestly famous even before Albanion "cursed" him, and now he's got the paparazzi hounding him at every turn.
I think Jyrras is forgetting that people will take the time to read occasionally. :3
Either that or he is suffering from a severe case of "Fame Denial", which a healthy dose of reality can cure that in a jiffy. :mowwink
Quote from: Starcat5 on September 18, 2012, 11:47:19 AM
Oh my Faust, Amber actually updated MID-WEEK! :erk It's the end of the world! Panic! :reaper
And given your last post (and my response to it) don't you think it might be a good idea to apologize?
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 18, 2012, 02:46:58 PM
Behooves. Yes. That was a nice subtle way of saying "This person is under hoofed protection", or "Kria is protecting this person, we're gonna back off".
Very nice to see the wrecking crew have ways of telling each other things that aren't obvious in front of people they don't wish to enlighten about it. Extremely nice. Very professional. And I do want to see what happens next.
And what happens when Dan finds out.
damn... i shoulda caught that little bit there... they do it enough in another webcomic i read...
yes, definatly a code word though... they're planning something. and will likely enact it after his Bachelor protection ends. but by then Dan will have been back for a while and will be ROYALLY pissed off at them for attacking his sister. and be even MORE deadly with his growing skill with his 'Cubi powers.
Quote from: KiloFoxx on September 18, 2012, 06:43:10 PM
But by then Dan will have been back for a while and will be ROYALLY pissed off at them for attacking his sister. And be even MORE deadly with his growing skill with his 'Cubi powers.
Which will then threaten to ruin his reputation as an adventurer for 'embracing his cubi ways'. But I'm sure he'll think of a way around that. Oh wait...
Quote from: justacritic on September 18, 2012, 02:38:33 PM
I just had a horrible thought, what if this is part of Mab's master plan. Instill Jyrras with a sense of fear from Nite, thus the roo-rat goes double time on weapons research?
With that last panel having
'Paranoia, here we come!' written all over it, I think it's likely to happen.
And then they will come...
Quote from: KiloFoxx on September 18, 2012, 06:43:10 PM
yes, definatly a code word though... they're planning something. and will likely enact it after his Bachelor protection ends. but by then Dan will have been back for a while and will be ROYALLY pissed off at them for attacking his sister. and be even MORE deadly with his growing skill with his 'Cubi powers.
Remember, time moves very slowly in DMFA. AFAIK the entire series - 1330 odd pages has taken place within one year, maybe six months. Unless we skip ahead or the protection is withdrawn, it's quite likely that it will last the rest of the comic.
Quote from: MT Hazard on September 18, 2012, 08:24:26 AMConsidering 'Behooves' mean advantage or benefit. Yes
... *checks dictionary* Actually, that's only when it's used with a negative, as in 'ill behooves.' Normal meaning is listed as 'duty or responsibility to do something.' So kind of along the lines of 'This is something I've got to do/say.'
Considering how Dice reacts, it does seem most likely to still be the code word, though.
Quote from: Lying Foo on September 18, 2012, 03:06:47 PMQuote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 18, 2012, 02:46:58 PMBehooves. Yes. That was a nice subtle way of saying "This person is under hoofed protection", or "Kria is protecting this person, we're gonna back off".
Oh, right... behooves. Can't believe I didn't notice that; I'd just thought it was a rare enough word that they'd assigned its use some prior meaning. But I guess it's probably either that, or they know about Albanion. (But they don't know about Albanion.)
I admit, I didn't think of that one. XD
Quote from: Plotting on September 18, 2012, 08:56:27 AMWhile I agree that it is not over for Jyrrus and his friends, I think Nite's parting remark was more of a mind game rather than a threat. i.e. Nite seems to be trying to unnerve Jyrrus rather than threatening him.
That or he might actually be concerned what will happen to Jyrrus once word gets out about his little toy. He may be concerned about Jy-Jy's well being, or concerned about the technology getting into the wrong hands. Probably the latter.
I was under the impression that he was saying he hopes that Jyrras knows what he's doing/will be able to keep himself safe, considering that Jy is defending a *gasp* Creature! Though knowledge getting out about the gun seems probable as well.
Say, is it just me, or is Skirmish making an 'I've got my eye on you' gesture in panel 4? :mowsmile
Quote from: Infranscia on September 18, 2012, 07:24:26 PM
Quote from: MT Hazard on September 18, 2012, 08:24:26 AMConsidering 'Behooves' mean advantage or benefit. Yes
... *checks dictionary* Actually, that's only when it's used with a negative, as in 'ill behooves.' Normal meaning is listed as 'duty or responsibility to do something.' So kind of along the lines of 'This is something I've got to do/say.'
Considering how Dice reacts, it does seem most likely to still be the code word, though.
Ah, I just read the first definition which was
be·hoof
[bih-hoof] Show IPA
noun, plural be·hooves [hoovz] Show IPA.
use; advantage; benefit: The money was spent for his own behoof.
Rather than the extended definition which is
be·hoove
[bih-hoov] Show IPA verb, be·hooved, be·hoov·ing. (chiefly in impersonal use)
verb (used with object)
1.
to be necessary or proper for, as for moral or ethical considerations; be incumbent on: It behooves the court to weigh evidence impartially.
2.
to be worthwhile to, as for personal profit or advantage: It would behoove you to be nicer to those who could help you.
verb (used without object)
3.
Archaic . to be needful, proper, or due: Perseverance is a quality that behooves in a scholar.
Origin:
before 900; Middle English behoven, Old English behōfian to need ( behōf behoof + -ian infinitive suffix)
Synonyms
2. benefit, advantage, serve, better, advance; suit, befit, beseem.
Quote from: Infranscia on September 18, 2012, 07:24:26 PM
Say, is it just me, or is Skirmish making an 'I've got my eye on you' gesture in panel 4? :mowsmile
Definitely maybe, yes
Quote from: Infranscia on September 18, 2012, 07:24:26 PM
Say, is it just me, or is Skirmish making an 'I've got my eye on you' gesture in panel 4? :mowsmile
Yes, I noted that too, I dont think she is happy
Quote from: Hariman on September 18, 2012, 11:08:14 AM
But if everybody has a gun and Creatures don't rampage or kill because anyone can kill them back without an adventurer, isn't that a good thing?
Not if you are an adventurer who has spent years training so that you can make a living by being an adventurer. Adventurers get payed for taking out Creatures who pose a real or imagined threat to Beings. If no one needs adventurers then everyone in the adventurers guild (a guild being a sort of early trade union organization) would be out of work.
Quote from: Hariman on September 18, 2012, 11:08:14 AM
But if everybody has a gun and Creatures don't rampage or kill because anyone can kill them back without an adventurer, isn't that a good thing?
Eh, Armed society is a polite society?
Only when the people are polite, I'm afraid. The thing is, sometimes it sounds like the Beings and Adventurers tend to have huge lapse in judgement and huge gaps in reasoning that at times put that make them have more in common with the people during the Salem witch trials.
Don't know if it would be wise to give some of them access to any tech much more advanced then what they already have available. Edit: I'm just worried that the Beings of Furrae might not be ready for the field of power to be level from what we've seen from just BOB thus far.
They're already in an armed society, and a rather impolite one. It's just that most of the populace have brought rubber chickens to a gunfight.
Also, if there is a war breaking out between Beings and Creatures, Jyrras may have just branded himself a 'creature lover', and receive attacks from BOTH side. From the Creatures, because they realize the potential threat Jyrras's weapons have if the Beings use them, and from the Beings for being a dirty Creature-Lover. Being stuck in no-man's land fielding an army of one is NOT a good place to be, no matter how good your tech is. As one general once said: quantity has a quality all its own.
Jyrras has some strong allies... Kria and Dan are two of them. But that's not gonna help him against highly trained Creature assassins. Ones with a whole boatload of magic AND skill to bypass security. Or, failing that, enough firepower (from Dragons, that can be taken quite literally) to burn the whole property down, security systems be damned.
This is probably exactly the scenario which Mab was fearing.
Since when do bees have hooves? :mowwink
Quote from: Prroul on September 18, 2012, 07:56:38 AM...an excuse to extract from an op which has already gone pear-shaped.
Where did that phrase ever come from? Why is pear considered to be a bad shape? They're tasty!
Quote from: Prroul on September 18, 2012, 11:06:18 PM
Also, if there is a war breaking out between Beings and Creatures, Jyrras may have just branded himself a 'creature lover', and receive attacks from BOTH side.
I think that ship sailed when he fell in love with two incubi and a demoness.
Quote from: Mao on September 18, 2012, 05:42:00 PM
Quote from: Starcat5 on September 18, 2012, 11:47:19 AM
Oh my Faust, Amber actually updated MID-WEEK! :erk It's the end of the world! Panic! :reaper
And given your last post (and my response to it) don't you think it might a good idea to apologize?
Qua? *Checks last thread* Ah. Good point, actually. There may in fact have been better ways to point out that, ever since the comic switched to updating Monday/Friday, nearly every single time Amber missed an update, even if she SAID she'd make up the update later in the week/weekend, chances are the next update would land on the next scheduled Friday/Monday. ...baring additional missed updates, of course.
The latest blog entry, however, states that Amber now seeks to change this Status Que. Even going so far as making up for previously missed updates. (Presumably only the most recent ones.) To this end, I wish her only the best and most helpful of luck.
Quote from: AmigaDragon on September 19, 2012, 12:13:03 AM
Quote from: Prroul on September 18, 2012, 07:56:38 AM...an excuse to extract from an op which has already gone pear-shaped.
Where did that phrase ever come from? Why is pear considered to be a bad shape? They're tasty!
IIRC, it has it's origins in the rather sexist belief that women ruin everything. Pear Shaped = Birthing Hips.
Quote from: Starcat5 on September 19, 2012, 01:17:13 AM
IIRC, it has it's origins in the rather sexist belief that women ruin everything. Pear Shaped = Birthing Hips.
This (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pear-shaped) suggests a colorful variety of origins, most of them revolving around trying to get a circle and ending up with a distorted pear-shape instead. Which, incidentally, is what happens every time I try to draw. XP Yeah, a lot of the terms that seem like they could have their origin in something offensive are actually from somewhere completely different. But in the end it's impossible to know much of the time, what with language being what it is.
Quote from: joshofspam on September 18, 2012, 10:12:24 PM
Quote from: Hariman on September 18, 2012, 11:08:14 AM
But if everybody has a gun and Creatures don't rampage or kill because anyone can kill them back without an adventurer, isn't that a good thing?
Eh, Armed society is a polite society?
Only when the people are polite, I'm afraid. The thing is, sometimes it sounds like the Beings and Adventurers tend to have huge lapse in judgement and huge gaps in reasoning that at times put that make them have more in common with the people during the Salem witch trials.
Don't know if it would be wise to give some of them access to any tech much more advanced then what they already have available. Edit: I'm just worried that the Beings of Furrae might not be ready for the field of power to be level from what we've seen from just BOB thus far.
Considering that Mab has a master plan involving Jyrras' gun/guns, I think it will be.
The sudden chaos of vengeance seeking beings causing CREATURES to need protection will force the justice system to reform and possibly even pass and enforce laws that protect ALL living creatures equally, instead of favoring creatures and whoever has money/power.
Plus, I can see Kria wanting to marry Jyrras to protect him. Or maybe it will be because Kria's turned on by a guy who can turn being "defensless munchie" into "Good. Bad. I'm the one with a gun!"
And I can see Jyrras accepting Kria's proposal of a loveless marriage, if just out of insane pragmatism.
But what I don't know is if Amber is THAT evil, so that might not happen. Okay, it PROBABLY won't happen.
But a guy CAN have his crazy theories, right?
Quote from: joshofspam on September 18, 2012, 10:12:24 PM
The thing is, sometimes it sounds like the Beings and Adventurers tend to have huge lapse in judgement and huge gaps in reasoning that at times put that make them have more in common with the people during the Salem witch trials.
Don't know if it would be wise to give some of them access to any tech much more advanced then what they already have available. Edit: I'm just worried that the Beings of Furrae might not be ready for the field of power to be level from what we've seen from just BOB thus far.
Well, the interesting thing about the guns is that they're made of magic-free material. Some people have said that means that you can't repel the bullet with a forcefield and maybe that's true, but I'm not convinced it's a big deal since you can surely work around it by erecting a physical barrier magically.
What seems more interesting to me is that if the gun is not affected by magic, that means
Creatures can use them, not just Beings. And given the parallel with Salem, that might be a Very Big Deal.
Is it just me, or does it kinda look like Skirmish is doing the "I've got my eyes on you" thing in the fourth panel?
(http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee26/orianj/korra-eyes-on-you_zpsf8f95f7e.gif)
Quote from: Starcat5 on September 19, 2012, 01:17:13 AM
Qua? *Checks last thread* Ah. Good point, actually. There may in fact have been better ways to point out that, ever since the comic switched to updating Monday/Friday, nearly every single time Amber missed an update, even if she SAID she'd make up the update later in the week/weekend, chances are the next update would land on the next scheduled Friday/Monday. ...baring additional missed updates, of course.
The latest blog entry, however, states that Amber now seeks to change this Status Que. Even going so far as making up for previously missed updates. (Presumably only the most recent ones.) To this end, I wish her only the best and most helpful of luck.
I just suggest you keep in mind that 1) the updates have been nearly 3x larger for a while, so it's kind of expected that things might not quite be on time 2) that these updates are given freely and not 'owed' and 3) when you start using random CAPS LOCKED (see your previous post and above) words for emphasis it gives the impression of irritation, particularly in the method you've used it. We know she said she would. Emphasizing it just makes it look like you're trying to call her out or something ("Hey, you SAID you'd do this. You didn't. You're a liar. You owe me/us").
That's just my take on it, but yeah, considering your words a bit more carefully in the future so as to not come off as being entitled and as acting like a jerk would benefit all I think.
The phrase 'Mr Colt Made Everyone Equal' only works if guns are cheap. There is no indication that what Jyrras used is anything other than an expensive prototype. Even if they can be mass produced, guns are useless without an extremely large and reliable source of magically-inert metal-alloys to make the bullets from. Given these two requirements it's unlikely hand-guns will make a practical impact on this world in the near future.
I'd also question their ability to make a military impact, given how lone kooks can apparently easily create undead armies or battlemechs, and resurection spells aren't that hard.
Though given the ability of creatures to over react, they are more than capable of making a political one soon.
Quote from: Mao on September 19, 2012, 08:27:51 AM
I just suggest you keep in mind that 1) the updates have been nearly 3x larger for a while, so it's kind of expected that things might not quite be on time
My posts to this point, poorly constructed as they were, were merely meant to point out the existing trend, which as been going on long enough (6~7 years?) that I have been conditioned to read "Update delayed, check back on 'x'" as "Come back Friday/Monday". The underlying cause, while important in the grander scheme of things, isn't relevant in this specific case and point.
{Added after reading point 3} This is not meant as some excuse, so much as an explanation for the convoluted chain of logic that went behind the creation of the two joke posts which have since crashed, caught fire, and exploded in my face.
Quote2) that these updates are given freely and not 'owed'
*Does a lot of reply rewriting, cursing, and putting ice on pounded fist*
I at no point in my previous posts said or even implied such a thing. Please refrain from putting words in my mouth. Amber could walk away from DMFA right now and she wouldn't owe us jack ****. Mari Rose/Elevenbane walked away from "Wings of Change" mid-chapter in order to maintain a healthy social life, and I wish her well for it.
Quote3) when you start using random CAPS LOCKED (see your previous post and above) words for emphasis it gives the impression of irritation, particularly in the method you've used it. We know she said she would. Emphasizing it just makes it look like you're trying to call her out or something ("Hey, you SAID you'd do this. You didn't. You're a liar. You owe me/us").
That's just my take on it, but yeah, considering your words a bit more carefully in the future so as to not come off as being entitled and as acting like a jerk would benefit all I think.
*Reads point three
after spending an hour pounding out a reply to point two*
...
Yeah, tone doesn't exactly come across well over the internet. I'm half-tempted to re-edit my reply to point two
again, but the righteous indignation over being mortally insulted in point two has long since burned out, and point three has rendered it both moot and anticlimactic. It seems like every time I try to bring my iRL joking personality across over text, it all just comes crashing down in flames. Lets just declare this whole snafu the result of miscommunication over the underlying meaning of the relevant posts, and wash our hands/hooves/talons/claws of the whole convoluted mess.
*Spends another half hour replying to point three, adding an amendment to point one, and replaces any cases of "Caps for Emphasis" with "Underlined for Emphasis", before declaring the whole post unsalvageable and just hitting Post*
Quote from: ANTIcarrot on September 19, 2012, 08:43:19 AM
Even if they can be mass produced, guns are useless without an extremely large and reliable source of magically-inert metal-alloys to make the bullets from.
a) Jyrras's guns may be so powerful that magical barriers won't mean jack even if the bullet had some magic in it.
b) 100% natural material may be very easy to make when you have a 100% natural material.
I was always under the impression that a 100% natural material would create a very easy to make yet extremely effective armor.
:gun1
Quote from: Eboreg on September 19, 2012, 08:08:48 PM
Quote from: ANTIcarrot on September 19, 2012, 08:43:19 AM
Even if they can be mass produced, guns are useless without an extremely large and reliable source of magically-inert metal-alloys to make the bullets from.
a) Jyrras's guns may be so powerful that magical barriers won't mean jack even if the bullet had some magic in it.
b) 100% natural material may be very easy to make when you have a 100% natural material.
I was always under the impression that a 100% natural material would create a very easy to make yet extremely effective armor.
:gun1
Except that EVERYTHING in their world is supersaturated with magic. One is more likely to find a rock which is 80% magic, rather than one that is only 20% magic. And magic is easy to cross contaminate. You want a 100% natural armor? You need 100% natural materials,
and 100% natural tools to make it with. Mass production is going to be a nightmare. :kruger
Quote from: Starcat5 on September 19, 2012, 10:32:32 PM
Quote from: Eboreg on September 19, 2012, 08:08:48 PM
Quote from: ANTIcarrot on September 19, 2012, 08:43:19 AM
Even if they can be mass produced, guns are useless without an extremely large and reliable source of magically-inert metal-alloys to make the bullets from.
a) Jyrras's guns may be so powerful that magical barriers won't mean jack even if the bullet had some magic in it.
b) 100% natural material may be very easy to make when you have a 100% natural material.
I was always under the impression that a 100% natural material would create a very easy to make yet extremely effective armor.
:gun1
Except that EVERYTHING in their world is supersaturated with magic. One is more likely to find a rock which is 80% magic, rather than one that is only 20% magic. And magic is easy to cross contaminate. You want a 100% natural armor? You need 100% natural materials, and 100% natural tools to make it with. Mass production is going to be a nightmare. :kruger
once they get started it'll become much easyer.
Not really, ambient magical levels in the atmosphere will make it exceedingly difficult to create a 100% Natural environment. You would need some way of removing magic from the area. And maintaining that to prevent it from seeping back in. That's a very nontrivial problem.
Then you have to have 'sterile conditions' protocol with regards to magically radiated materials. So you'd basically have to have a set of airlocks, wherin you have to change to 100% natural work clothing, to avoid magical radiation from seeping into materials from clothing and jewlery.
over 97.5% natural, however, would be much easier to produce, and would be difficult to work with by magical means.
Quote from: Starcat5 on September 19, 2012, 02:31:38 PM
*Spends another half hour replying to point three, adding an amendment to point one, and replaces any cases of "Caps for Emphasis" with "Underlined for Emphasis", before declaring the whole post unsalvageable and just hitting Post*
Honest criticism - next time instead of trying to save face by trying to convince other people of your motives by posting a huge defensive reply like this, the best (most socially graceful) thing to do is just to apologize and move on. Especially in a case where it's really easy to see why people might have a problem with your post - even if it was just a misunderstanding, when you post like this, it looks like 'the lady doth protest too much'.
Also Mao made some excellent points, and I definitely got the same vibe from your original post that he did. I've actually gotten frustrated at Amber's saying she would update mid-week and then not doing so - why not admit this? I just figured logistically though it takes her so long to do the late update that it would ALSO make her late for Friday's update by that point. So I think the feeling behind your post (if you did feel that way, which I guess you're not admitting, but we know you did) is (somewhat/debatably) legitimate. But what I think is that you posted something passive-aggressive like you did in the last thread because you felt like it would make you look bad if you just said "Hey, I kind of think it's uncool of her to get my hopes up like that", so you post something that you could go back and pass off as a joke because you don't know how to bring your feelings up in an adult manner.
But the thing is, posting something like that actually makes you look way worse than if you just came out and said what you felt. Sure, you might have had people come back and argue (hopefully constructively) with you on it, but at least you'll be standing by your opinions instead of kind of half-heartedly putting them out there in a passive-aggressive, sorta mean-spirited way. Oh and saying your humorous personality is just translating incorrectly over the internet is sooooo lame, that's the oldest excuse in the book augh
(also people totally do a ton of mental gymnastics to convince themselves that their motives were much better than what they were half the time just because they don't want to 'lose' an argument - I've totally caught myself doing this in the past as a defense mechanism)
Also, back on topic - my thoughts are that they're totally there for the covert mission of figuring out what Jyrras is packing, and Nite just called it in - behooves being the codeword for the mission end. Which makes the Merlitz thing a fabrication. Maybe? I have to admit I didn't see this one coming. But I'm kinda disappointed so far in the anticlimactic and extremely abrupt end to the confrontation, though intrigued. Amber's really good at throwing curveballs through unexpected character reactions.
Quote from: Nino on September 20, 2012, 04:44:36 AM
Also, back on topic - my thoughts are that they're totally there for the covert mission of figuring out what Jyrras is packing, and Nite just called it in - behooves being the codeword for the mission end. Which makes the Merlitz thing a fabrication. Maybe? I have to admit I didn't see this one coming. But I'm kinda disappointed so far in the anticlimactic and extremely abrupt end to the confrontation, though intrigued. Amber's really good at throwing curveballs through unexpected character reactions.
If that were the case, though, what's Skirmish doing still looking PO'ed at Jyrras as they leave? Other than that, though, it does explain a lot. We'll probably have to wait and see; the way I see it, the two possibilities (leaving because Kria is protecting Jy, or leaving because their mission was done) both have their minor issues. It looks to me like either one is equally likely.
Quote from: Nino on September 20, 2012, 04:44:36 AM
Also, back on topic - my thoughts are that they're totally there for the covert mission of figuring out what Jyrras is packing, and Nite just called it in - behooves being the codeword for the mission end. Which makes the Merlitz thing a fabrication. Maybe?
I doubt it. They seemed far too determined to kill 'Cubi for it to be a Jyrras investigation and they had no reason to believe Jyrras was there at all. In fact, they seemed to operating on the assumption that the 'Cubi who murdered Merlitz would be the one and only person in the inn at all.
What I'm saying is that it's probably impossible to add magic to a 100% natural material making it easy to create more 100% natural material with a 100% natural filter.
Jyrras' name is known because of spies! Spies are everywhere! :U
I don't think Jyras using gun is that big deal, actually. So, an item shooting projectiles, so what? It may be a little more compact than crossbow, and packing roughly same amount of punch, so nothing world-breaking, compared to huge robo-gryffons and such. It can be only important if it can be mass-produced, and even we don't know it for sure.
Quote from: Tylor on September 20, 2012, 02:53:31 PM
I don't think Jyras using gun is that big deal, actually. So, an item shooting projectiles, so what? It may be a little more compact than crossbow, and packing roughly same amount of punch, so nothing world-breaking, compared to huge robo-gryffons and such. It can be only important if it can be mass-produced, and even we don't know it for sure.
The moment he comes in with that gattling gun, (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_367.php) then things will really get hairy. But remember this: The gun is smaller than the crossbow, stores more ammunition, is more accurate, has a longer range, does not need training to use, and is actually more dangerous than crossbows not to mention reloading it is simple. (if It works like an actual pistol)
As awesome as the last few pages have been i wanna add it would be cover page material for a roving reporter if they were lucky enough to catch this exchange XD http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1134.php
Quote from: Ignuus66 on September 20, 2012, 08:50:37 PM
The gun is smaller than the crossbow, stores more ammunition, is more accurate, has a longer range, does not need training to use, and is actually more dangerous than crossbows not to mention reloading it is simple. (if It works like an actual pistol)
Nothing of this is known for sure. The fact that the look of this things resembles our pistols, does not mean it automatically has same capabilities.
Quote from: Starcat5 on September 19, 2012, 01:17:13 AM
IIRC, it has it's origins in the rather sexist belief that women ruin everything. Pear Shaped = Birthing Hips.
I thought the leading theory was that it was RAF jargon (which is why it didn't catch on in the US); since practice maneuvers, such as loops and Immelmans, might form a pear shape when done clumsily, it came to mean a similar failure in more complex ones.
Quote from: Tylor on September 20, 2012, 02:53:31 PM
I don't think Jyras using gun is that big deal, actually. So, an item shooting projectiles, so what? It may be a little more compact than crossbow, and packing roughly same amount of punch, so nothing world-breaking, compared to huge robo-gryffons and such. It can be only important if it can be mass-produced, and even we don't know it for sure.
Well I think it's more a magic/nonmagic thing than a gun/other weapon thing, since basically magic can trump mundane weapons but if you make pure nonmagical weapons they go right through magic, like it doesn't even exist. But obviously it being a gun heightens the treat because you'll want your nonmagical death thing to be able to be very efficient at killing things.
Actually wait, this is a great opportunity for me to bring up my tinfoil hat theory that Earth is actually a part of the DMFA universe where most or all of the humans from Furrae went off too. And it's just a world where EVERYTHING is 100% natural, so even though magic TECHNICALLY exists it just is never observed here - like dark or antimatter or something. Because humans are like weres in human form, where they have 0% propensity for magic but are also completely unaffected by it, like it doesn't even exist and can't touch them because they (we!) are entirely nonmagical beings - and thus were driven from Furrae because that is an extreme threat to creatures.
So Earth is kind of the antithesis of Furrae - where basically everything in Furrae has SOME magic, nothing on Earth has ANY magic - or else it's just not able to be utilized by the creatures living here. Also that's why humans have fairy tales, because they either used to know Fae from Furrae and kept that cultural heritage (also also maybe furries could be the inspiration for all those weird Egyptian gods, huh? huh?)
tldr; DMFA is the best story ever.
Quote from: Nino on September 22, 2012, 12:12:56 AM
Actually wait, this is a great opportunity for me to bring up my tinfoil hat theory that Earth is actually a part of the DMFA universe where most or all of the humans from Furrae went off too. And it's just a world where EVERYTHING is 100% natural, so even though magic TECHNICALLY exists it just is never observed here - like dark or antimatter or something. Because humans are like weres in human form, where they have 0% propensity for magic but are also completely unaffected by it, like it doesn't even exist and can't touch them because they (we!) are entirely nonmagical beings - and thus were driven from Furrae because that is an extreme threat to creatures.
So Earth is kind of the antithesis of Furrae - where basically everything in Furrae has SOME magic, nothing on Earth has ANY magic - or else it's just not able to be utilized by the creatures living here. Also that's why humans have fairy tales, because they either used to know Fae from Furrae and kept that cultural heritage (also also maybe furries could be the inspiration for all those weird Egyptian gods, huh? huh?)
Alien invasion by humans? :U
(let's bring this thread into the tinfoil hat rooms, shall we?)