The Clockwork Mansion

I actually rather like Amber's use of the team fortress's engineer's first few words as the pages title.

Though I do wonder about the gun. It didn't make much of a sound, but it still managed to take a good chunk of one of their ears off. For a bee-bee gun, it sure packs a bit of power.

Now to wait and see if Jyrras solved a practical problem or did he make the situation worst?

Jyrras grew a spine with a rather lengthy Bond one liner. This makes me happy beyond belief. I see Amber has been brushing up on her guns.

TOTALLY F***ING CALLED IT!

Jyrras turns the tables on the backstabbing adventurers with the power of SCIENCE!

Impressive.  And yes, I think this is another example of fan speculation proving correct.  What I'm not clear on is whether this is going to make the situation better or worse.  And that's just in the short term of negotiations over Abel and Alexsi's life - what happens when it gets out that Jyrras has invented a working automatic gun, well that's a whole other can of worms.

It seems Peg has gone from "Lets be sure before we stab" to "Lets stab to be sure"

Also knowing Jyrras the weapon could actually be a rail gun/coil gun, not sure how much noise they make.

And Guys? Someone just shot at you with technology that isn't supposed to exist, could you look a little, well, concerned?

I could fan speculate...

...but instead I'll say that Jyrras has damn good aim if he truely was intending an ear-shot from the get go.

Hours of soldering iron work gives you very good hand dexterity.

Uh oh, Jyrras just brought a gun to a sword fight. Too bad he was actually aiming for his sword hand with that first shot...

"Like this little number designed by me...built by me...and you'd best hope...not pointed at you."

Guys? Amber already said at one point that guns DO exist (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1265.php) in DMFA. Of course, this seems more advanced than those guns, so ... yeah.

Point being Jyrras just got his Rock Lee moment. :DDDDDDDD

Quote from: Black_angel on September 07, 2012, 09:26:12 AM
Point being Jyrras just got his Rock Lee moment. :DDDDDDDD

But didn't that end with Rock Lee losing the fight after being exploded and crippled?

Quote from: Black_angel on September 07, 2012, 09:26:12 AM
Guys? Amber already said at one point that guns DO exist (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1265.php) in DMFA. Of course, this seems more advanced than those guns, so ... yeah.

Yeah, I think this is the first automatic gun, as opposed to a flintlock which is what everyone else has.  Now it might be that they'll assume it's a one-shot gun like that, who knows.  Another interesting point is how many rounds Jyrras has on him.

I also believe that shot took the edge off of the horse's ear. And judging from the small "offt" sound effect does Jyrras' gun have a silencer?

I would hazard a guess that Skirmish will be the next one to be shot or shot at as she seems to be a little angry with Jyrrus, and would likely attack him regardless of what the others say or do.

Horse boy might also try to attack Jyrrus considering what just happened to his ear.

It will be interesting to see if the bullets can go through magic shields. I don't think Jyrrus would be above getting someone to enchant his bullets to overcome magic shields, and it would be a wise move in a world where magic is soo prevalent. And hollow point ammunition would not be a bad idea either.

...mmm...enchanted hollow point bullets... >:3

Quote from: justacritic on September 07, 2012, 07:19:37 AM
Jyrras grew a spine with a rather lengthy Bond one liner. This makes me happy beyond belief. I see Amber has been brushing up on her guns.

It's amazing what one can do when one or ones friends are in danger, isn't it?  >:3

Quote from: Eboreg on September 07, 2012, 07:32:40 AM
TOTALLY F***ING CALLED IT!

Word to the wise:  don't do that.  Quick way to irk some of us mods. ;-]

Otherwise, carry on! :)

you mean he wasn't going to tromp through the inn with a power loader like ripley?!


i am disappoint.  :<

Quote from: justacritic on September 07, 2012, 09:43:51 AM
I also believe that shot took the edge off of the horse's ear. And judging from the small "offt" sound effect does Jyrras' gun have a silencer?

Or more likely, from the size of the barrel, it's a needlegun. tl;dr SCIENCE

Quote from: Fragmaster01 on September 07, 2012, 10:10:28 AM
Or more likely, from the size of the barrel, it's a needlegun. tl;dr SCIENCE

Having read Jack Vance (specifically the book with the name that would break the forum rating), I thought of the sandguns, which accelerated sand or dust particles up to near lightspeed.

EDIT: However, the fact that Mab implied the non-magical metals were a prerequisite suggests to me that it's a normal mechanical system

Quote from: Mao on September 07, 2012, 09:51:44 AM

Quote from: Eboreg on September 07, 2012, 07:32:40 AM
TOTALLY F***ING CALLED IT!

Word to the wise:  don't do that.  Quick way to irk some of us mods. ;-]

Otherwise, carry on! :)

Also, you weren't the only one to do so. If you were, you'd have a little more licence, but this particular plot point has been discussed to death, and there have been suggestions from many folks that this would happen.

to be fair the .45 1911 is over 100 years old in design and is still used today.  the FBI dropped the autos they were using to issue the springfield trp 1911.  US marines abandoned the Beretta in favor of the 1911 to much joy of the solders just recently.  automatic pistol doesn't mean it's advanced.  as for sound you cant see how long it is,  if its got perhaps 8 inches of barrel it can be integrally suppressed and barrel bore looks to be about a .22 caliber so take the 5.7x28 for example,  is a quiet, very high velocity, very accurate round with fairly decent stopping power (good power considering its size).  Although i was wishing jyrras would pulled a .45 long colt.  its got class.  oh well,  hes an "engineer" not a classic pistol smith so an automatic as his personal working piece fits.  

remember...he was working with materials that have little to no magical residue and after a tipping point in purity, magic has little affect on it.  not sure how well a magical shield would hold up to residue free ammo.

Quote from: Plotting on September 07, 2012, 09:48:15 AM
I would hazard a guess that Skirmish will be the next one to be shot or shot at as she seems to be a little angry with Jyrrus, and would likely attack him regardless of what the others say or do.

Horse boy might also try to attack Jyrrus considering what just happened to his ear.

It will be interesting to see if the bullets can go through magic shields. I don't think Jyrrus would be above getting someone to enchant his bullets to overcome magic shields, and it would be a wise move in a world where magic is soo prevalent. And hollow point ammunition would not be a bad idea either.

...mmm...enchanted hollow point bullets... >:3

You've forgotten something. EVERYTHING on their world has trace levels of magic in it. It is when an object (a bullet in this case) has been DIS-enchanted that it gains the ability to cut through magic shields like a hot chainsaw through melted butter.

Quote from: reathe on September 07, 2012, 10:20:12 AM
remember...he was working with materials that have little to no magical residue and after a tipping point in purity, magic has little affect on it.  not sure how well a magical shield would hold up to residue free ammo.

Like the Were, who can only be affected indirectly in human form, I'm sure they'll eventually figure out a workaround (freezing the air or some kind of eddy-current effect...?)  But right now, it will probably punch through most magical shields IMHO.

Quote from: Black_angel on September 07, 2012, 09:26:12 AMPoint being Jyrras just got his Rock Lee moment.

Who? Never heard of him.

Hehe, I think much of the speculation was that Jyrras would pull out some impressively large gun, not a little pistol. Despite their anger, how healthy is their respect for this pea shooter?
Hehe, Wildy's annoyed.

*eyebrow*

I believe there's an expression from American history for what Jyrras just did and will represent in the future: the shot heard 'round the world.

Quote from: Jairus on September 07, 2012, 11:18:52 AM
*eyebrow*

I believe there's an expression from American history for what Jyrras just did and will represent in the future: the shot heard 'round the world.

was the start of the revolution.

Quote from: justacritic on September 07, 2012, 11:33:46 AM

Quote from: Jairus on September 07, 2012, 11:18:52 AM
*eyebrow*

I believe there's an expression from American history for what Jyrras just did and will represent in the future: the shot heard 'round the world.

was the start of the revolution.

If you get that song stuck in my head, I will come for you. And I will find you. And you will awaken one dark and stormy night to find me at the foot of your bed, staring at you with a passion unfelt since time began.

And then I will sing "Conjunction Junction."


Oh, and good shot, Jy.

Quote from: Jairus on September 07, 2012, 11:35:29 AM

Quote from: justacritic on September 07, 2012, 11:33:46 AM

Quote from: Jairus on September 07, 2012, 11:18:52 AM
*eyebrow*

I believe there's an expression from American history for what Jyrras just did and will represent in the future: the shot heard 'round the world.

was the start of the revolution.

If you get that song stuck in my head, I will come for you. And I will find you. And you will awaken one dark and stormy night to find me at the foot of your bed, staring at you with a passion unfelt since time began.

And then I will sing "Conjunction Junction."


Oh, and good shot, Jy.

Passion is the wrong word for that situation..., and I'll counter with the "Good Eleven".

Huh. The B-O-B have found their best defense against Abel completely by accident.

When he wakes up and sees all that blood, he's going to be a mess.

Quote from: Drakkenmensch on September 07, 2012, 07:45:33 AM
Jyrras turns the tables on the backstabbing adventurers with the power of SCIENCE!

Okay, hands up! Who else wants to see Jyrras and Dr. Insano working together ... for SCIENCE!!! :mwaha

Quote from: Plotting on September 07, 2012, 09:48:15 AM
I would hazard a guess that Skirmish will be the next one to be shot or shot at as she seems to be a little angry with Jyrrus, and would likely attack him regardless of what the others say or do.

Horse boy might also try to attack Jyrrus considering what just happened to his ear.

It will be interesting to see if the bullets can go through magic shields. I don't think Jyrrus would be above getting someone to enchant his bullets to overcome magic shields, and it would be a wise move in a world where magic is soo prevalent. And hollow point ammunition would not be a bad idea either.

...mmm...enchanted hollow point bullets... >:3

Thought: Bullets made from Hollow-bone would probably go through magical shields :B

°Runs away° :U

There's something more important at work here.

Jyrras is *famous* (Like, tabloid famous, even if he isn't the Most Interesting Man in the World at the moment).  He just shot one of them.  Any hope of subtlety they had remaining just went out the window.  And if he really is using the bullets that are nigh non-magical...

Well, this whole situation just took a whole order of interesting at the drive-thru, didn't it?

I would love a nice hot cup of "Served"

Oh, darn, some little kangaroo mouse and just bought it all up? Eh, I'll wait for the next pot to brew, no rush.

Quote from: reathe on September 07, 2012, 10:20:12 AM
to be fair the .45 1911 is over 100 years old in design and is still used today.  the FBI dropped the autos they were using to issue the springfield trp 1911.  US marines abandoned the Beretta in favor of the 1911 to much joy of the soldiers just recently.

Well to be fair about the latter, the Beretta is an automatic too.

It's just that the Beretta was a 9mm:  much smaller round than the 1911's .45 ACP.  Sure, you can pack more of them in the magazine, but each round has less power.  These are MARINES we're talking about, though:  they pride themselves on making the bullets go where they want them, and when the bullet gets there, it had better DO DAMAGE.  No need to spray and pray fifteen rounds, if you can get the job done well in six.  Recoil?  Oh yes, sure, those other services with the weak-wristed boys can complain about recoil--again, MARINES.  

Of course, Jyrras's gun is a custom build to his roo-rat frame, and is clearly much smaller.

Quote from: ishidan on September 07, 2012, 12:31:12 PMRecoil?  Oh yes, sure, those other services with the weak-wristed boys can complain about recoil--again, MARINES.

More recoil means less accuracy when firing in the sort of situations that marines would be. No point in having bullets that could kill elephants if you couldn't hit an elephant at ten paces.

ATTENTION! Gun discussion incoming. (Sorry Amber.)

Quote from: reathe on September 07, 2012, 10:20:12 AM
to be fair the .45 1911 is over 100 years old in design and is still used today.  the FBI dropped the autos they were using to issue the springfield trp 1911.  US marines abandoned the Beretta in favor of the 1911 to much joy of the solders just recently.  automatic pistol doesn't mean it's advanced.  as for sound you cant see how long it is,  if its got perhaps 8 inches of barrel it can be integrally suppressed and barrel bore looks to be about a .22 caliber so take the 5.7x28 for example,  is a quiet, very high velocity, very accurate round with fairly decent stopping power (good power considering its size).  Although i was wishing jyrras would pulled a .45 long colt.  its got class.  oh well,  hes an "engineer" not a classic pistol smith so an automatic as his personal working piece fits.  

remember...he was working with materials that have little to no magical residue and after a tipping point in purity, magic has little affect on it.  not sure how well a magical shield would hold up to residue free ammo.

Saying that a gun, even a 5.7x28, is "quiet" is like comparing the noise level of lawnmowers. EVERYBODY in the neighborhood is still going to know you're using one. Even with a suppressor, which only SLIGHTLY reduces the noise it produces, it's still going to be a LONG way from "Dfft". (Sorry to disappoint and bring in physics, but most guns DO propel the slug faster than the speed of sound, creating a sonic boom.) Plus, with those big ears, firing a gun without (lots of) hearing protection would be downright PAINFUL.

So... Unless Amber gets all her gun info from movies... (And I'm sure she didn't.) Just in case, though... Here's a couple Cracked articles: http://www.cracked.com/article_18576_5-ridiculous-gun-myths-everyone-believes-thanks-to-movies.html (http://www.cracked.com/article_18576_5-ridiculous-gun-myths-everyone-believes-thanks-to-movies.html) and http://www.cracked.com/article_19781_6-stupid-gun-myths-everyone-believes-thanks-to-movies.html (http://www.cracked.com/article_19781_6-stupid-gun-myths-everyone-believes-thanks-to-movies.html) (NOTICE: Most places view Cracked as NSFW.)

Thus, using what we DO know and judging from the thickness of the frame around the barrel, it's possible that this is a coil gun, which uses a series electromagnets to accelerate an iron/steel projectile to lethal speeds. This would have much less noise, (Maybe a low hum or comparable to a bow.) little recoil, and still be dangerous.

The only logic gap is where the power source for it would be...

ADDENDUM: Well, at least my gun-talk won't be so out of place now...
.45s are LARGE slugs that go with the mentality of "Beat the snot out of the target." and have tremendous recoil, not something that weak-armed Jyrras could easily handle. And this is getting off-topic.

(Must ... not ... nitpick ... oh what the hell) The size of the barrel compared to the rest of the gun makes it seem that Jyrras prioritized armor-piercing capabilities over stopping power, which is not a bad idea if a major threat can make its skin as hard as diamond. However, such a bullet would tumble in flesh leaving a larger wound. The lack of visible sights is a bit of a downer for me and Jyrras seems to lack trigger discipline, which is understandable given that he practically invented the gun and hasn't released it yet.

Still, I have to admit that if Amber hadn't released all of the foreshadowing she did, this scene would be considered jumping the shark.

At least Amber was fortunate not to release any strips with things like cars. Could you imagine the level of flame that would ensure?

Amber-"Here I go posting a comic with a car in it."
*ten seconds later*
Amber-"I better check my e-mail" 'Click' "OH GOD THE SPAM I'M DROWNING IN IT!"

... What language is Skirmish speaking? Tikkish?

Quote from: Hanii Puppy on September 07, 2012, 12:37:51 PM

Quote from: ishidan on September 07, 2012, 12:31:12 PMRecoil?  Oh yes, sure, those other services with the weak-wristed boys can complain about recoil--again, MARINES.

More recoil means less accuracy when firing in the sort of situations that marines would be. No point in having bullets that could kill elephants if you couldn't hit an elephant at ten paces.

I sense a case of 'Youtube War Expert' coming...

Also, Wildy seems quite annoyed that Jyrras stole her fight.

Quote from: Eboreg on September 07, 2012, 12:54:50 PM
(Must ... not ... nitpick ... oh what the hell) The size of the barrel compared to the rest of the gun makes it seem that Jyrras prioritized armor-piercing capabilities over stopping power, which is not a bad idea if a major threat can make its skin as hard as diamond. However, such a bullet would tumble in flesh leaving a larger wound. The lack of visible sights is a bit of a downer for me and Jyrras seems to lack trigger discipline, which is understandable given that he practically invented the gun and hasn't released it yet.

Still, I have to admit that if Amber hadn't released all of the foreshadowing she did, this scene would be considered jumping the shark.

Really? I mean, the guy has a lab, has been shown to work on mechanical weapons in the past, and what he's been developing has gotten a ton of creatures worked up. In terms of his actions, this seems very in-character as well, considering his sense of justice and his respect and feelings for Abel. A huge, game-changing plot twist? Definitely. Almost jumping the shark? Ehhh.... it seems like something this whole chapter's been leading up to and not a 'wtf, where did this come from?' moment.

Also nobody mentions wildy hiss face? That's the best face. I almost wish Jyrras hadn't interrupted because seeing her next actions would have been potentially awesome (I assume her face at Jyrras is more of a 'what are you doing kind of thing).

On another note, creatures are obviously very touchy about not having the power that magic brings. I think the reason weres were almost killed off and humans aren't around is the same reason they want to get Jyrras for developing weapons like  this. Anything with magical immunity must go.

Amber, your witty dialogue just keeps getting better.  I love it.  Thanks for making this comic and thereby improving my day.   :)

*sings*  Jyrras got a gun...  :giggle

*Charline is all over this comic!*  AWWW YEAHHH!!  Bloodshed!  Shoot those damned cubi killers!  I'd kill them all too!  And their families!  And anyone who so much as smiled at them in a friendly manner!  *and people wonder why no one trusts cubi...*

Quote from: Jairus on September 07, 2012, 11:18:52 AM
*eyebrow*

I believe there's an expression from American history for what Jyrras just did and will represent in the future: the shot heard 'round the world.

An onlooker firing into a tense standoff and starting a massive eight-year war... seems appropriate.

Quote from: Eboreg on September 07, 2012, 12:54:50 PM
(Must ... not ... nitpick ... oh what the hell)

Yeah, on that note I should probably remind people that one of the reasons Furrae doesn't have much in the way of guns is that Amber isn't a gun-nut.  So now that she has dipped a toe in that particular water, it might be nice to go easy on her.

I have to agree. If we can accept that magic exists and animals can walk on two legs, talk, and build societies like humans than we can accept Jyrras' gun of silence. Besides, if you want to be consistent in your nitpicks than why let all the traditional weapons slide? There's rules behind swords and armor too (I'm looking at you, buster sword...) .

... Still, if you do know about guns and can tell reality from fiction then good on you. I'm not gonna lie, I'd like to learn more about guns too.

Someone once remarked, "never piss off a techie".  Well, as an engineer Jyrras is most certainly a techie, and I would say that he is wholly pissed off.  (Surely I'm not the only one who's noticed Abel's blood on Skirmish's spearhead?)  I don't know if Jyrras was aiming for that ear, or if he missed the head shot, but in any case Pegasus is very lucky.  Check the elevation and angle of the shot, then transfer to the previous panel.  Yup.  Lucky, lucky Pegasus.  (Though that may be Amber's artistic license at work, and not anything deliberate on Jyrras' part.  Pegasus is still lucky. :) )

Whatever the gun's capabilities, it seems Jyrras deliberately chose a non-lethal "warning shot" there. It's still not impossible for this incident to be settled without further damage.

Quote from: Grey Wolf on September 07, 2012, 12:05:50 PM
Huh. The B-O-B have found their best defense against Abel completely by accident.
When he wakes up and sees all that blood, he's going to be a mess.

It depends how messy things get.  The only time we've seen Abel freak out in the present day was when there was a lot of blood/paint - i.e. very messy death levels of blood.  If, gods forbid, Jyrras goes Fallout 3 on someone and sprays the inn with bits of head, Abel will lose it for sure.  Though since that would break rating I highly doubt it.

The other question is how heavily Abel is bleeding himself, that might be enough to do it.  Either way, I imagine Jyrras' strategy - assuming he doesn't blow this via a sneak attack from Gen, for example - would be to have Wildy check and/or patch up Abel while covering the others.

Huh. Well, she did say she needed to learn how to draw guns for Chapter 30, and here we are...

Not bad for a first try as well.

wow... I actually got something right! granted, there was no theme music, but there was an entrance that was full of win.
* bumps Jyrras to second favorite character*

That was wonderful and totally made my day.  GO JYRRAS!  And Wildy's hiss face was awesome too; I think she was ready to lay down some serious mayhem if Jyrras hadn't interrupted.

One thing I thought was interesting which nobody's mentioned so far is pronouns.  Nitemyste, even as he protests that he's trying to reason with Abel, refers to Abel as 'it'.  Peg, who's all for incapacitating Abel and says you can't trust 'Cubi an inch, says 'him'.  Nite may actually be the more prejudiced.  (And he was the one who was ready to kill Alexsi without verifying her 'Cubi-ness first, so let's upgrade that 'may be' to an 'is'.)

Anyway.  It's just interesting!  I'm loving this storyline and can't wait to see where all of this is going to lead.  :mowcookie

Quote from: Bakoneko on September 07, 2012, 04:52:24 PM
Nitemyste, even as he protests that he's trying to reason with Abel, refers to Abel as 'it'.  Peg, who's all for incapacitating Abel and says you can't trust 'Cubi an inch, says 'him'.  Nite may actually be the more prejudiced.

Yes, I noticed that and I'm still fascinated how they keep flip-flopping like that.  I would have thought that indecisiveness was not a survival trait in the adventuring game.

I believe it was a reference to meet the engineer video of TF2 (I may be wrong)
Jyrras is an engineer, that means he solves practical problems. Not problems like what is beauty? Because that would fall within the purview of your conundrums of philosophy, he solves practical problems.  :P
(reference)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i68cEsALWt0

Hey, just a comment on the gun's quiet nature. It could also be using a Jyrras version of the Russian SP round.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K73kKODFyzw

Quote from: Ignuus66 on September 07, 2012, 05:17:55 PM
I believe it was a reference to meet the engineer video of TF2 (I may be wrong)
Jyrras is an engineer, that means he solves practical problems. Not problems like what is beauty? Because that would fall within the purview of your conundrums of philosophy, he solves practical problems.  :P
(reference)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i68cEsALWt0

Problems like "how do I stop some mean motherhubbard from tearing Abel a structurally superfluous...oops too late."

Then the BOB decides they aren't impressed, and take aim at Jy.  Enter Mace, with a shoulder cannon that looks like it's out of Girl Genius.

"And if that don't work...use more gun."

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Quote from: Bakoneko on September 07, 2012, 04:52:24 PM
Nitemyste, even as he protests that he's trying to reason with Abel, refers to Abel as 'it'.  Peg, who's all for incapacitating Abel and says you can't trust 'Cubi an inch, says 'him'.  Nite may actually be the more prejudiced.

Yes, I noticed that and I'm still fascinated how they keep flip-flopping like that.  I would have thought that indecisiveness was not a survival trait in the adventuring game.

Though that might be because of the ramifications of adventuring outside their normal stomping grounds. Amber did mention in the forums that guards and other adventures butting heads wasn't uncommon.

Just because the adventurers of this area won't put the effort of finding the killer of cubi, doesn't mean they won't hunt down a known rogue adventurer group. Making a mistake here might have just as dire consequences for BOB as it would for the Lost Lake cast.

I don't really see Pegasus flip-flopping here.  He wants to make sure someone is actually 'cubi before killing.  He has confirmed Abel is 'cubi.  He's really not concerned with anything else.

Quote from: Hanii Puppy on September 07, 2012, 12:37:51 PM

Quote from: ishidan on September 07, 2012, 12:31:12 PMRecoil?  Oh yes, sure, those other services with the weak-wristed boys can complain about recoil--again, MARINES.

More recoil means less accuracy when firing in the sort of situations that marines would be. No point in having bullets that could kill elephants if you couldn't hit an elephant at ten paces.

Only if you can't hit your target with the first shot.
The louder bang of the 1911 is also more terrifying to the enemy...and body armor that resists 9mm is pretty common, that can stop a .45, not so much.  No point in being able to hit the same target twice if neither round can kill it.

hate to nitpick the posters... but that's not an Automatic pistol. the word you're looking for is SEMI-automatic.

automatic is like a gatling gun or a machine gun. you pull the trigger and it's a bullet spray-fest.
Semi-Automatic is when it fires once every time you pull the trigger.
then there's bolt-action, leaver-action, breach-action, pump-action. you see all those (except Bolt that i know) in Shotguns. Bolt and Lever actions are seen in rifles. there may be a breach-action rifle (double-barrel shotgun) but i'm not sure on that. i'm not a gun nut

(yeah yeah i'm a grammar freak... sue me)

Quote from: Bakoneko on September 07, 2012, 04:52:24 PM
That was wonderful and totally made my day.  GO JYRRAS!  And Wildy's hiss face was awesome too; I think she was ready to lay down some serious mayhem if Jyrras hadn't interrupted.

One thing I thought was interesting which nobody's mentioned so far is pronouns.  Nitemyste, even as he protests that he's trying to reason with Abel, refers to Abel as 'it'.  Peg, who's all for incapacitating Abel and says you can't trust 'Cubi an inch, says 'him'.  Nite may actually be the more prejudiced.  (And he was the one who was ready to kill Alexsi without verifying her 'Cubi-ness first, so let's upgrade that 'may be' to an 'is'.)

Anyway.  It's just interesting!  I'm loving this storyline and can't wait to see where all of this is going to lead.  :mowcookie

i think this can be attributed to Abel being a 'Cubi... i think Nite is LESS prejudiced and is using the gender-neutral pronoun because cubi can shapeshift and appear as a different gender. for all he knows, Abel could be female.

point being, i find it hard to believe Nite ISN'T the least prejudiced one in the group. he seems the most reasonable of the bunch.

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Quote from: Drakkenmensch on September 07, 2012, 07:45:33 AM
Jyrras turns the tables on the backstabbing adventurers with the power of SCIENCE!

Okay, hands up! Who else wants to see Jyrras and Dr. Insano working together ... for SCIENCE!!! :mwaha

mother of god...

that would be SCARY... and AWESOME... and... good lord...

this HAS to be done... even if it's just some non-cannon filler-art or something...

Quote from: Inumo on September 07, 2012, 04:02:44 PM
Huh. Well, she did say she needed to learn how to draw guns for Chapter 30, and here we are...

Dammit, I wanted to be the one to point that out in this thread! :<

Hmm... the shipper in me wants either Jyrras or Wildy to tell the BOB that he and Abel are dating.

Also, that's a hell of a warning shot.  I don't think Jyrras is that good... he missed.

(Also, where is Jyrras standing?  He's either a lot further above or a lot further from Light Aliph than I thought before seeing that line.)

Mab suggested at one point (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1174.php) that a gun would benefit from being non-magical... wonder how.

Finally, "of all folks"...

Quote from: Lying Foo on September 07, 2012, 08:06:04 PM
Hmm... the shipper in me wants either Jyrras or Wildy to tell the BOB that he and Abel are dating.

That occurred to me as well, but if Abel's still conscious it'd probably freak him out.

QuoteAlso, that's a hell of a warning shot.  I don't think Jyrras is that good... he missed.

We don't have enough information to tell.  It might have been lucky, but on the other hand it's quite possible he's been using the prototypes a lot and getting practice in secret.
The other thing is that you can't intimidate people by waving a gun at them if they don't know what it is - you have to demonstrate it.

Quote(Also, where is Jyrras standing?  He's either a lot further above or a lot further from Light Aliph than I thought before seeing that line.)

Not sure, but I think he's in the doorway leading to the basement.  If so, the shot is probably going left-to-right.

QuoteMab suggested at one point (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1174.php) that a gun would benefit from being non-magical... wonder how.

From what I remember, magic tends to cause the mechanism to jam or misfire.

Quote from: Lying Foo on September 07, 2012, 08:06:04 PM
(Also, where is Jyrras standing?  He's either a lot further above or a lot further from Light Aliph than I thought before seeing that line.)

Actually I think he's below rather than above, and a lot closer. I think the shot went from left to right. If so, Jyrras is probably just offscreen in the panel where Pegasus gets shot.

I suppose how BOB will react next will in some part depends on just how much they now about guns.

Though seeing it has already been told that their guns are mostly still  the the old muzzle one shot loaders, that might mean they'll recognize it as a gun and think that Jyrras used his only shot.

Though seeing as Jyrras is so tight to his vest with his more controversial inventions, I wonder if Wildy would jump to that conclusion as well?

QuoteAlso, that's a hell of a warning shot.  I don't think Jyrras is that good... he missed.

Maybe.  But I don't think so.  The belly is a wider target and just as deadly (given that it is exposed here.)  That was a warning shot.  Whether it was intended to hit anything...

There's that gun. :mowmeep

Anyway, guys, as someone from a family that owns guns, said family has subscribed to at least one gun magazine, and fired a few guns (in an indoor shooting range, or at the top of a hill toward targets near the ground - no chance of hitting someone by accident, haven't aimed at someone on purpose, either), I can say that there are guns that can be fairly quiet.  Even rifles.  One person described their first experience with a rifle (with extra-small bullets, I would guess) as expecting 'artillery cannon' and getting 'book dropped on table.'  It literally can be that quiet.  Might not even need hearing protection.

The biggest factor in how quiet a gun would be would be how much gunpowder the bullet has (which is often reflected in the size of the bullet).  Judging by the size of the barrel there, he's going to be using some pretty thin bullets.  (Possibly smaller than you get in real life.)  I also know that there are also bullets that are only about, oh, maybe a centimeter long (I used them when I first went to target practice), and really can't hold much.  Assuming Jyrras is using bullets about that size, while 'dfft' may not quite be accurate, it wouldn't be too far off.  It would probably be something like a fairly soft 'pop.'  I think I silencer might be able to get the sound into a 'pop' range, but it doesn't look like he's using one.  Not that he'd need one that badly.

That said, a small projectile can still be deadly if it hits the right spot, be it a small bullet, a shot from a bb gun, a shot from a blow-gun, or what have you.  It may not necessarily be an instant kill, but the victim could die from bleeding out, or possibly infection, or some other kind of complication.  They can also easily take out an eye or otherwise slow someone down with an injury.

Anyway,  it does make sense that he'd use a pistol with small bullets, considering his size.  I understand that if a bullet is too powerful for your frame, and it's not braced/mounted against something sturdy enough, it can injure you from the recoil.  Hmm...  I suppose it's also possible that Jyrras used a smaller bullet for the first shot so he could more-easily use a warning shot, then have larger bullets in the clip.


Anyway, that gun does look pretty good, particularly for a first appearance, and without that much expertise. :mowsmile  Admittedly I'm having a little trouble telling whether it has a sight on the front.  If I look close, I think I see what might be a faintly-drawn one?

I think the main thing I want to note to Amber is how Jyrras appears to be aiming the gun.  Unless he's had a lot of practice (which granted, him being able to hit Peg's ear like that might indicate) he should look through one eye and line up the sights in said eye.  I guess you might say he was aiming a moment ago and now he's giving them a glare?  I guess it depends.



Heh, if you think of it the right way, along with the obvious threat, Jyrras could be implying that reason isn't getting from Peg's ears to his brain. X3

Quote from: Wanderer on September 07, 2012, 08:42:32 PM
Actually I think he's below rather than above, and a lot closer. I think the shot went from left to right. If so, Jyrras is probably just offscreen in the panel where Aliph gets shot.

(Pegasus... I was calling him "Light Aliph" as a joke.)

Ah shoot! (pun intended)
This either has been escalated further or deescalated, depends on how the B.O.B. take the hint of a being with a gun in the room.

I believe that to probably be a Rail or Coil gun he wields, from the sound and size of the projectile alone. Plus the weapon Jyrras has seems to have a reverse slide action going on if those pieces move at all. I doubt they do. This is hard to see however as we only have this one perspective at the moment.
No sound but it zipping through the air indicates no explosive propellant method I know of, remotely possible to be a compressed gas propellent though. Suppressors really only lower a report a few percent, its to help the sound from carrying to far. There is no magic "fwip" like in movies.

And in a Coil/Rail gun the smaller the projectile the easier it is to get to high velocities. The problems with too small a projectile is that it has less mass and the velocity drops off quicker without the inertia to overcome air friction and to impart more energy into the intended target.

All projectile weapons have the goal of imparting energy into the target very quickly. The greater the energy that transfers to the target the greater the damage on typical soft tissues. This is why a .45 slug does better then a 9mm in many situations against non armored people. The slug travels slower but is larger. Upon impact the slug is more likely to stay in the target totally or at least for a longer period of time. Friction then will impart more of the energy to the target.

The 9mm however moves faster and is smaller. This generally leaves less time for the slug to impart energy as it is more likely to exit said target.
The potential energy of the 9mm is greater but the imparted energy is usually less, hitting bones make things very interesting for all slugs. Bonuses for 9mm include larger magazine capacities and the target usually does still suffer enough damage to be considerably lethal. .38 to .45 in handguns are completely acceptable calibers to choose for these reasons. Rifles add another layer to the theory.

A vest works by spreading the energy imparted across a larger surface area during a longer period of time, then just the caliber round that was being used. It literally catches the bullet before it can puncture, or puncture very far, into you.

Assuming the gun and rounds are designed to defeat magic wielding enemies, the construction of a Coil/Rail gun does not need to be very resistant to magic. The only moving parts are the loading mechanics and those are usually just springs. Much harder to muck with magic.
Another point for smaller rounds is that high purity materials resistant to magical effects are in short supply so small rounds would also be a necessity.
And finally if you are attempting to defeat magic defenses first and all other considerations are secondary; it would be better to expend more rounds on a target but have them all get past the defenses then have a weapon that doesn't work around magic most of the time.

I wonder what Jy-jy's sentry would look like.

I'm glad he stepped in. We don't get to see the little guy in action very much and I do love my some Jy-jy haha.

Hi Everyone!

Just wanted to point out one, very critical point?

You're all forgetting about Macy. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1139.php)

If Jyrras had time to run back home and get his gun, then he most certainly had time to alert Macy.  In fact, Macy may have been summoned somehow, and provided Jyrras with the weapon...

...and is now flanking the rouge adventurers from outside the building.

Quote from: killpurakat on September 07, 2012, 12:10:40 PMOkay, hands up! Who else wants to see Jyrras and Dr. Insano working together ... for SCIENCE!!! :mwaha

Who? How about Jyrras and Agatha Heterodyne?

Quote from: ishidan on September 07, 2012, 05:39:50 PM"And if that don't work...use more gun."

KNEECAPS! "I was an adventurer until I took a bullet to the knee."

Quote from: Wanderer on September 07, 2012, 08:42:32 PM

Quote from: Lying Foo on September 07, 2012, 08:06:04 PM
(Also, where is Jyrras standing?  He's either a lot further above or a lot further from Light Aliph than I thought before seeing that line.)

Actually I think he's below rather than above, and a lot closer. I think the shot went from left to right. If so, Jyrras is probably just offscreen in the panel where Aliph gets shot.

Why are you calling him Aliph?

Quote from: Lying Foo on September 08, 2012, 12:04:50 AM(Pegasus... I was calling him "Light Aliph" as a joke.)

Quote from: IonOtter on September 08, 2012, 12:59:29 AMMacy may have been summoned somehow, and provided Jyrras with the weapon...

...and is now flanking the rouge adventurers from outside the building.

Or Jyrras had the gun with him already (paparazzi protection? ;) ).

Quote from: Lying Foo on September 08, 2012, 12:04:50 AM

Quote from: Wanderer on September 07, 2012, 08:42:32 PM
Actually I think he's below rather than above, and a lot closer. I think the shot went from left to right. If so, Jyrras is probably just offscreen in the panel where Aliph gets shot.

(Pegasus... I was calling him "Light Aliph" as a joke.)

Right... I totally knew that. All along. No one can prove otherwise.

Quote from: AmigaDragon on September 08, 2012, 01:13:04 AM
Why are you calling him Aliph?

Aliph = Dark Pegasus; ergo, Pegasus = Light Aliph.

Ok...I expect to see a Caster gun next XDD :)

Quote from: Lying Foo on September 07, 2012, 08:06:04 PM
Hmm... the shipper in me wants either Jyrras or Wildy to tell the BOB that he and Abel are dating.

The more I think about that, well, it makes a lot of sense.  It worked for Lorenda, and recurring themes can be a lot of fun.

Tesla coils? needs more tesla coils for the intimidation  8)
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Also I don't think that is a railgun (due to the fact that railguns are much bigger to be powerful), it probably has a silencer built in, or is simply a silent weapon (I have seen  a few of those)

Quote from: Ignuus66 on September 08, 2012, 09:31:59 AM
Also I don't think that is a railgun (due to the fact that railguns are much bigger to be powerful), it probably has a silencer built in, or is simply a silent weapon (I have seen  a few of those)

It probably is a conventional firearm, but don't forget that Jyrras has built things which are beyond our own technology.  I wouldn't put it past him to use coils made from room-temperature superconductor, and/or power pack technology that makes a li-poly battery look like a galvanic cell in comparison.

worms.


Amber's opened up a can of 'em.  :U

Quote from: AmigaDragon on September 08, 2012, 01:13:04 AM

Quote from: IonOtter on September 08, 2012, 12:59:29 AMMacy may have been summoned somehow, and provided Jyrras with the weapon...

...and is now flanking the rouge adventurers from outside the building.

Or Jyrras had the gun with him already (paparazzi protection? ;) ).

That's actually an even more frightening thought.

Ever since Jyrras came back from the Fae Realm, he's been obsessed with making his protections more and more powerful.  He also threw all pretense at caution to the wind, and developed not just another artificial form of life, but one that is apparently heavily armed.  I.E. Macy.  And based on previous interactions, I'd say Macy also has emotions, which means "she" could become extremely angry if Jyrras is harmed.

At which point, we might find out whether or not Jyrras gave Macy the upgrades to her chassis.  Oh yeah, and you're all forgetting Alexsi.  When she wakes up from getting zapped, Jrryas might not need Macy.

But back to Jyrras.  If he has been carrying a gun all this time, he's been hiding it really well.  That's not a small weapon.  It's not big, but it ain't small, either.  And being such a small being himself, Jyrras doesn't have a lot of places to hide it on his person.

That means one of three things:

1.  He's got a portable hole in his pocket.
2.  He ran back home, got his gun and came back, or Macy brought it to him.
3.  He had it stashed at the Inn.

I'm betting on #3.  And if that's the case, then there's going to be a jökulhlaup of carp coming down.  Because if you can stash weapons in properties you don't even own, then that means you've got more than enough weapons to risk losing them to the homeowner when they accidentally find it. 

That, in and of itself is going to be a lot of fun.

Once the dust has settled over the guns, the next carp storm will arrive.  Namely that Jyrras is a very well-known, highly respected citizen with a LOT of extremely dangerous, very powerful, very wealthy friends. 

Alexsi:  she's a long-time citizen, business person, land-owner, tax-payer, employer and a pretty powerful adventurer in her own right. (A tavern-owner should be considered an 8th level fighter, simply due to dealing with drunk idiots looking for a fight.)  That she was not only attacked, but shot from behind, without any reliable evidence to back up such an assault, is NOT going to sit well with anyone on the city council.  This one thing would be enough to have these idiots thrown in a pit for the rest of their lives.  That's if they're lucky.  If they're not lucky, then the council will charge them with the recent murders.

Abel:  He's not just Cubi, he's also a registered being, and citizen.  That is going to start a carp-storm all on it's own.  The Zinvth City Council is already reeeeally touchy about Abel, after what happened with Aniz.  Oh, and there's the whole carp-storm over what happened in regards to the hospital being revoked.  We haven't heard if the hospital was actually approved or not, but that's still going to tie in Kria and Fa'lina.

Fa'lina I expect to be subtle and diplomatic.  Kria?  Well...let's just hope these turkeys have a truly outstanding insurance policy for their entire family line.

Speaking of insurance policies, let's not forget Moira, Jyrras' mom.  She probably won't be too worried about Abel, but putting her only son into danger?  I do believe that she was one of the few people that Kria actually respected for their power.

Hmmmmm.

People have been tossing around the term, "jumped the shark", just because guns have shown up.  I suspect that's because 90% of the people here are too young to even know where the term comes from, without resorting to Google and Wikipedia.  I know where it came from, because I watched the original episode of Happy Days where Fonzie pulled it off.  It was quite a disappointment to see Fonzie turned into the ultra-mega-super-cool human that could do no wrong or screw nothing up.

That is most definitely NOT the case here.

There have been so many screw-ups in the last 10 comics that the carp storm from this is going to last well into next year.

So yeah.  Hang on to your hats, folks?  Things are just getting started.

Quote from: Turnsky on September 08, 2012, 09:57:21 AM
worms.


Amber's opened up a can of 'em.  :U

Institutional sized.

Quote from: IonOtter on September 08, 2012, 10:08:51 AM
Alexsi:  she's a long-time citizen, business person, land-owner, tax-payer, employer and a pretty powerful adventurer in her own right.

I think Amber said that Lost Lake Inn was on independent territory so I don't know that she's a tax-payer or that they get any protection from Zinvth.  Even so, going on a Creature-hunting spree so close to Zinvth may not sit well with them.

QuoteAbel:  He's not just Cubi, he's also a registered being, and citizen.  That is going to start a carp-storm all on it's own.  The Zinvth City Council is already reeeeally touchy about Abel, after what happened with Aniz.  Oh, and there's the whole carp-storm over what happened in regards to the hospital being revoked.  We haven't heard if the hospital was actually approved or not, but that's still going to tie in Kria and Fa'lina.

Not quite sure where you're coming from here.  Are you saying that Kria and her influence in Zinvth might come down hard on people trying to harm him once they find out he's still alive (and presumably the Faeta stone will testify it's him)?
I ask because you bring up the hospital as if they might blame Abel for it, and I'm not convinced about that.  It happened hundreds of years earlier and it was mentioned around p1300 that Zinvth is now trading with 'Cubi clans.  It's possible that Jin's clan is among those so she may now have got her hospital.  In any case, don't forget that Abel was friends with Mink so I rather doubt they blame him for it.  It's quite likely Mink was aware that Abel intended to kill the person responsible anyway.

QuoteSpeaking of insurance policies, let's not forget Moira, Jyrras' mom.  She probably won't be too worried about Abel, but putting her only son into danger?  I do believe that she was one of the few people that Kria actually respected for their power.

That's very true.

Quote from: Jyoumon on September 08, 2012, 09:11:51 AM
Ok...I expect to see a Caster gun next XDD :)

*skids into thread*

CASTER SHELLS WILL NOT WORK AGAINST HAZANKO!

*flees thread*

Castrate gun? Hazawhatsit?

Quote from: IonOtter on September 08, 2012, 12:59:29 AMSpeaking of insurance policies, let's not forget Moira, Jyrras' mom.  She probably won't be too worried about Abel, but putting her only son into danger?  I do believe that she was one of the few people that Kria actually respected for their power.

It actually makes me wonder how a Lawyer can get something done with the law seemingly being so lopsided in court in the favor of creatures.

She must be one heck of a lawyer to get her friends murderer convicted after the sentient undead had just been recently created. To have that turned on BOB, I'd think that would be akin to a financial slaughter. I'd have a feeling creatures and adventurers alike fear her. :)

All we need is for Jyrras to be in a suit, grab a pair of shades and we can have a "Pulp Fiction" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENXZJ4-WtrM) moment. >:3

Quote from: IonOtter on September 08, 2012, 10:08:51 AM

Quote from: AmigaDragon on September 08, 2012, 01:13:04 AM

Quote from: IonOtter on September 08, 2012, 12:59:29 AMMacy may have been summoned somehow, and provided Jyrras with the weapon...

...and is now flanking the rouge adventurers from outside the building.

Or Jyrras had the gun with him already (paparazzi protection? ;) ).

That's actually an even more frightening thought.

Ever since Jyrras came back from the Fae Realm, he's been obsessed with making his protections more and more powerful.  He also threw all pretense at caution to the wind, and developed not just another artificial form of life, but one that is apparently heavily armed.  I.E. Macy.  And based on previous interactions, I'd say Macy also has emotions, which means "she" could become extremely angry if Jyrras is harmed.

At which point, we might find out whether or not Jyrras gave Macy the upgrades to her chassis.  Oh yeah, and you're all forgetting Alexsi.  When she wakes up from getting zapped, Jrryas might not need Macy.

But back to Jyrras.  If he has been carrying a gun all this time, he's been hiding it really well.  That's not a small weapon.  It's not big, but it ain't small, either.  And being such a small being himself, Jyrras doesn't have a lot of places to hide it on his person.

That means one of three things:

1.  He's got a portable hole in his pocket.
2.  He ran back home, got his gun and came back, or Macy brought it to him.
3.  He had it stashed at the Inn.

I'm betting on #3.  And if that's the case, then there's going to be a jökulhlaup of carp coming down.  Because if you can stash weapons in properties you don't even own, then that means you've got more than enough weapons to risk losing them to the homeowner when they accidentally find it. 

That, in and of itself is going to be a lot of fun.

Once the dust has settled over the guns, the next carp storm will arrive.  Namely that Jyrras is a very well-known, highly respected citizen with a LOT of extremely dangerous, very powerful, very wealthy friends. 

Alexsi:  she's a long-time citizen, business person, land-owner, tax-payer, employer and a pretty powerful adventurer in her own right. (A tavern-owner should be considered an 8th level fighter, simply due to dealing with drunk idiots looking for a fight.)  That she was not only attacked, but shot from behind, without any reliable evidence to back up such an assault, is NOT going to sit well with anyone on the city council.  This one thing would be enough to have these idiots thrown in a pit for the rest of their lives.  That's if they're lucky.  If they're not lucky, then the council will charge them with the recent murders.

Abel:  He's not just Cubi, he's also a registered being, and citizen.  That is going to start a carp-storm all on it's own.  The Zinvth City Council is already reeeeally touchy about Abel, after what happened with Aniz.  Oh, and there's the whole carp-storm over what happened in regards to the hospital being revoked.  We haven't heard if the hospital was actually approved or not, but that's still going to tie in Kria and Fa'lina.

Fa'lina I expect to be subtle and diplomatic.  Kria?  Well...let's just hope these turkeys have a truly outstanding insurance policy for their entire family line.

Speaking of insurance policies, let's not forget Moira, Jyrras' mom.  She probably won't be too worried about Abel, but putting her only son into danger?  I do believe that she was one of the few people that Kria actually respected for their power.

Hmmmmm.

People have been tossing around the term, "jumped the shark", just because guns have shown up.  I suspect that's because 90% of the people here are too young to even know where the term comes from, without resorting to Google and Wikipedia.  I know where it came from, because I watched the original episode of Happy Days where Fonzie pulled it off.  It was quite a disappointment to see Fonzie turned into the ultra-mega-super-cool human that could do no wrong or screw nothing up.

That is most definitely NOT the case here.

There have been so many screw-ups in the last 10 comics that the carp storm from this is going to last well into next year.

So yeah.  Hang on to your hats, folks?  Things are just getting started.

the BOB have NO idea how much **** they just got themselves into...

i already knew where the term came from, i visit TVtropes a lot. but i AM too young to have seen it firsthand. (21)
but to quote Supernatural: "Is it really jumping the shark if you never come back down?"

Quote from: Tapewolf on September 08, 2012, 10:28:25 AM
I think Amber said that Lost Lake Inn was on independent territory so I don't know that she's a tax-payer or that they get any protection from Zinvth.  Even so, going on a Creature-hunting spree so close to Zinvth may not sit well with them.

Ahh, okay.  I hadn't seen that.  But yes, as you point out, Zinvth isn't going to be happy with this.  Having unknown murderers roving around isn't going to make things any better, either.

Quote from: Tapewolf on September 08, 2012, 10:28:25 AMNot quite sure where you're coming from here.  Are you saying that Kria and her influence in Zinvth might come down hard on people trying to harm him once they find out he's still alive (and presumably the Faeta stone will testify it's him)?
I ask because you bring up the hospital as if they might blame Abel for it, and I'm not convinced about that.  It happened hundreds of years earlier and it was mentioned around p1300 that Zinvth is now trading with 'Cubi clans.  It's possible that Jin's clan is among those so she may now have got her hospital.  In any case, don't forget that Abel was friends with Mink so I rather doubt they blame him for it.  It's quite likely Mink was aware that Abel intended to kill the person responsible anyway.

The City Council know that Abel is Cubi, and apparently have come to accept it.  He was a citizen in good and moral standing prior to his heritage becoming known, so while they might have been upset, they accepted him.

I don't think they'll blame Abel for the hospital incident, no.  The Zinvth council were the ones to boot the hospital off the planning board because Fa'lina failed to bring Aniz to justice.  I'm thinking more along the lines of this stirring up old carp, and possibly endangering long-standing relationships between Zinvth and other races.  Abel is a bridge between many worlds and cultures, and none of them will like what's happened here.

Of course, this is a lot of speculation on my part, and we'll probably never even see these potential aspects.

After all, Amber has just stepped into "Plot-point Rich Environment"   :eager

Interesting power dynamics in this comic.  Was starting to look like Nite and Wildy vs Pegasus and Skirmish in the beginning.  Then sheriff Jy busts in *A NEW CHALLENGER HAS APPEARED*.

IMHO it seems Jy as a sniper has now entered official canon, which adds more weight to his words.  Snipers tend to be OCD about hitting small targets with freakish accuracy.  By hitting the tip of his ear, then telling him the exact measurement from that ear tip to his skull.....  Doesn't seem like a miss, just like others said " a warning shot" and "demonstrating what his weapon can do". 

The reactions of the others are really varied though. Skirmish seems enraged; Pegasus is shocked he's hurt; Nite seems to be thinking "and this mission just keeps getting worse -.-"; Wildy is... well Wildy. 

Not sure if Macy has even been out of Jy's house, or is allowed to be.  Though her protectiveness of 'daddy' may have her lurking nearby though.  B.O.B. certainly didn't notice Jy sneaking up on them.  Unlikely they'd pick up Macy in ninja mode.  She even snuck up on Abel twice without detection, unless she announced herself. 

After reading all the conversations about guns, silencers, coil guns, and such I have a much simpler idea..

Is it possible Jy is using a compressed air gun (similar to a paintball gun) with darts or blades for ammo?  It would be quiet and have enough stopping power for being-versus-being fights without being overkill.  The darts also would not have enough penetrating power to go through bone or walls.  Given Jy's rather soft-hearted nature I don't think he would want to risk accidentally killing someone by missing.

Quote from: Atharyn on September 08, 2012, 02:40:12 PMIs it possible Jy is using a compressed air gun (similar to a paintball gun) with darts or blades for ammo?

Why do people keep coming along and saying whta I want to say before I manage to get here? I've been thinking all along that the gun was probably pneumatic, but reading all these posts about people trying to figure out why it was so quiet made me want to come in and point out the possibility... only to find that someone's beaten me to it. Again. Bleh.

QuoteInsert Quote
Castrate gun? Hazawhatsit?

Caster gun. The caster is a weapon from the anime Outlaw Star which can fire a number of kinds of unique ammo, including exploding shots, magical shots, magic-piercing shots, and probably others that didn't appear in the few episodes I watched. It is also, apparently, dangerous to wield, and can drain the life of its user when fired.

Quote from: Atharyn on September 08, 2012, 02:40:12 PM
After reading all the conversations about guns, silencers, coil guns, and such I have a much simpler idea..

Is it possible Jy is using a compressed air gun (similar to a paintball gun) with darts or blades for ammo?  *snip* Given Jy's rather soft-hearted nature I don't think he would want to risk accidentally killing someone by missing.

A compressed air gun would be plausible.  Compressed air hunting rifles do indeed exist, and you can hunt buffalo with them, just like Lewis & Clark did.  You can also slaughter ranks of soldiers with them, just like the Austrians did. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Girandoni_Air_Rifle)  But we haven't seen all of the gun just yet, so we can't tell if it has a reservoir for more than just a few shots.  CO2 cartridges don't carry enough PSI to give enough penetration power, you need higher pressure.

It would also be very quiet, as we've seen.

As for Jy's "soft-hearted nature", that's a very dangerous attitude.  Never question someone's resolve when they've got a gun in their hands.  It's not a recipe for a long and healthy life.

On the subject of noise:
There is no reason why the gun cannot have a magical silencer mounted on it which drastically reduces noise.

On the subject of knowledge:
Aside from Jy, no one in this room knows what they don't know about guns.

Everyone in this room has almost certainly seen a repeating crossbow, and maybe a double action crossbow. They all know about (flintlock?) hand guns. They wil view the pistol in this context. Specifically, that while Jy is still acting as if it's loaded, and it might be, they all know there is a reason why projectile weapons do not dominate the adventure scene. They will assume it has, at best, one or two shots left. Some time later they may express curiosity about it being really small and compact, but nothing they have seen so far will be world shattering to any of them. The forth shot will be the brown trouser moment, when the weapon does something they believe to be utterly impossible. Until that happens, or a bulet makes a fist sized exit wound in someone, they will assume that he will not attack three people with (at most) two shots, because the survivor would kill him.

Speaking of which though, as others have pointed out Jy's Mum is a lawyer, and he probably knows exactly what he can get away with in this situation. (Probably quite a lot, given they're attacked the owner and staff, with lethal intent in one case.) And they are probably not going to want to attack too many beings, as it would be bad for business. If they recognise him, or Wildy points it out, they will definately not want to attack him, since he has sociopolitical connections with both the being and creature council (you do not want both annoyed with you!) and In Case Of Murder bounty clauses in wills may be common in this world.

...you know, is Lost Lake under any state authority?  No one but the adventurers seemed to care when Alexsi was kidnapped...

Quote from: Lying Foo on September 08, 2012, 07:02:46 PM
...you know, is Lost Lake under any state authority?  No one but the adventurers seemed to care when Alexsi was kidnapped...

i don't think they reported it. just decided to get her back on their own and screw having a middleman.
seeing as every time they go shopping they end in in (i assume) Ziniv, AND that Jyrras got their protection from the Bachelor of the Year thing, that Lost Lake would be reletively close to the city. so unless the area of Lost Lake (not just the Inn) has its own police force, i think it's safe to assume everything would fall in Zinivh jurisdiction.

@ANTIcarrot: With flintlock weapons, the amount of loaded ammunition is directly proportional to the amount of barrels. Jyrras will get the point across if he fires another shot. I should also note that flintlock weapons are not known for their accuracy. The fact that Jyrras hit someone's ear and was aiming for it is enough cause for surprise. I also get the feeling that Wildy already knows how many shots Jyrras has.

Quote from: Wanderer on September 08, 2012, 03:15:18 PM
Caster gun. The caster is a weapon from the anime Outlaw Star which can fire a number of kinds of unique ammo, including exploding shots, magical shots, magic-piercing shots, and probably others that didn't appear in the few episodes I watched. It is also, apparently, dangerous to wield, and can drain the life of its user when fired.

Umm, I might be misremembering things a bit but from the discussiony thread where guns had come up before, Im pretty sure Amber mentioned that it was possible to make magic bullets for odd effects like that XD (though i also recall her mentioning the shelf life for such spells was super duper short for reasons i cant recall)

so in a sense, caster guns have already been a thing XD

To throw my own two cents into this how is the gun so quiet discussion, given how jyrras had no reluctance whatsoever to mix science with magic (asking for help from people who can do magic to create things like those disguise braclets and the laptop and the very existence of deathbringer) so it might not be an entirly mechanical device (even though once you get the difficulty of inventing the buggers out of the way their relatively easy to fashion)

and as for how he happend to have the gun....Im going to spec that either pip fetched it or jyrras somehow fashioned it from stuff in the kitchen XD (macguyver~)

QuoteHe also threw all pretense at caution to the wind, and developed not just another artificial form of life, but one that is apparently heavily armed.  I.E. Macy.

Let's be fair.  Macy was created by accident (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_376.php).  The heavily-armed chassis was deliberate, though.

While this info is 4+ years old (http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,4356.30.html) it at least reminded me about the fact they have indeed thought about typical semi-automatic pistols in Furrae. Wildy's novel had Dan using a couple. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_444.php)
I wouldn't blame Amber if all of this is completely irrelevant now, including the novel.
Whatever is best for the story is what I'd like to see occur no matter what. :eager

Quote from: KiloFoxx on September 08, 2012, 08:04:44 PM

Quote from: Lying Foo on September 08, 2012, 07:02:46 PM
...you know, is Lost Lake under any state authority?  No one but the adventurers seemed to care when Alexsi was kidnapped...

i don't think they reported it. just decided to get her back on their own and screw having a middleman.
seeing as every time they go shopping they end in in (i assume) Ziniv, AND that Jyrras got their protection from the Bachelor of the Year thing, that Lost Lake would be reletively close to the city. so unless the area of Lost Lake (not just the Inn) has its own police force, i think it's safe to assume everything would fall in Zinivh jurisdiction.

Zinvth. Not only have you not got it correct, you've got it totally wrong in two different ways in the same post. Pay attention, Zinvth has been brought up before in the last two pages. Sheesh.

I would like to point out the ma-duce-esque in Jy-Jy's lab that Lorenda was told was a farming implement (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_367.php). If he wanted to paint the room red, he could've easily done it. And that he's built far bigger and more dangerous firearms. Which means he's also probably rather familiar with them.

Also, it doesn't take a very large gun to inflict severe damage. For example, he was aiming pretty high to hit Peg's ear... now he's aiming at Jyrras's head height. Which, if I do some calculations... hmm... carry the two... ahh, would put the aim in a rather... tender... location. It's a safe bet to say that's a semi-auto pistol, of whatever flavor it might be. The calibre seems small, considering the size of the wielder, so either it's tossing darts, or small calibre bullets. Which means a clip in the grip can probably hold more than enough to pick off the entire BOB. Depending on his accuracy, they may well not have a chance to effect a response, particularly not when Wildy is NOT going to let her favourite shipee get hurt.

I would also respectfully submit that Macy has Energy Blades (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1150.php) and would just love the chance to run the Gryph-Mech (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1189.php). Depending on how upset Jyras is, she may have not even needed to initiate response three.

So yea... taking a gun to a knife fight is a good idea. I just hope BOB realizes just how badly they are out-gunned (and yes, that was pun-intentional), or there may be body bags before they learn the lesson.

Let's also point out that Pyroduck frequents Lost Lake. You know, the Dragon. And his girlfriend is now lying unconcious on the floor. As well as Able, his adopted step-brother (I think? I mean, he was adopted by Fa'lina, so there's at least some kind of bond there).

Speaking of Alexis, I don't know how long she's going to be down, but you can bet she's gonna come up swinging. And there's only three people who have ever beaten her, and Mom isn't present.

As for carp-storms... that sounds kind of fishy to me. It's one thing to tip the scales, without without getting puffered up about it. I mean, sure, someone's gonna need a Sturgeon after this, if they don't clam up, but I don't think Jyrras is shellfish enough hog all the glory...

I just want tae go on the record and say that I did NOT see this coming!

Things are really escalating here and I am enjoying the ride!

Quote from: Prroul on September 09, 2012, 04:52:03 AM
As for carp-storms... that sounds kind of fishy to me. It's one thing to tip the scales, without without getting puffered up about it. I mean, sure, someone's gonna need a Sturgeon after this, if they don't clam up, but I don't think Jyrras is shellfish enough hog all the glory...

Yes, well, the alternative would get me booted out on my bass...

Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 09, 2012, 04:11:52 AM
Zinvth. Not only have you not got it correct, you've got it totally wrong in two different ways in the same post. Pay attention, Zinvth has been brought up before in the last two pages. Sheesh.

Hypothetically speaking, what would you do if I said it was spelled 'Zinvth'...?

Of course, this is not the first time Jyrras has shown his marksmanship: http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_036.php

Quote from: Janus Whitefurr on September 08, 2012, 10:34:36 AM

Quote from: Jyoumon on September 08, 2012, 09:11:51 AM
Ok...I expect to see a Caster gun next XDD :)

*skids into thread*

CASTER SHELLS WILL NOT WORK AGAINST HAZANKO!

*flees thread*

O HAI THAR! Seems I'm not the only run-thru lurker!  >:3

Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 09, 2012, 04:11:52 AM

Quote from: KiloFoxx on September 08, 2012, 08:04:44 PM

Quote from: Lying Foo on September 08, 2012, 07:02:46 PM
...you know, is Lost Lake under any state authority?  No one but the adventurers seemed to care when Alexsi was kidnapped...

i don't think they reported it. just decided to get her back on their own and screw having a middleman.
seeing as every time they go shopping they end in in (i assume) Ziniv, AND that Jyrras got their protection from the Bachelor of the Year thing, that Lost Lake would be reletively close to the city. so unless the area of Lost Lake (not just the Inn) has its own police force, i think it's safe to assume everything would fall in Zinivh jurisdiction.

Zinvth. Not only have you not got it correct, you've got it totally wrong in two different ways in the same post. Pay attention, Zinvth has been brought up before in the last two pages. Sheesh.

yeah i'm dyslexic. and i have a terrible memory when it comes to names.
i'm also PC-less and i have to type this on a Wii. which dosn't let me open up tabs to check my spelling.

regardless. it should be my POINT that gets discussed. NOT my spelling.

IIRC (although I can't find the strip), Jyrras only got the protection of Zinvth by being featured in that magazine; that implies he wasn't already a citizen.

Quote from: Lying Foo on September 09, 2012, 02:56:16 PM
IIRC (although I can't find the strip), Jyrras only got the protection of Zinvth by being featured in that magazine; that implies he wasn't already a citizen.

I can't find it - Zinvth wasn't mentioned, and I'm not sure they care anyway.  It was just 'Creature Groups' and the Creature Council that were named.

In any case, these make interesting reading:
http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1027.php
http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1029.php

I really have no clue what Mab is doing.  Originally I assumed that she was trying to make the Beings more equal, but given how they seem to be able to run around stabbing Creatures in the back in their own homes with total impunity, and given how p1332 strongly implies that it's us-vs-them for every single race, it has to be something more.
IMHO the Beings don't seem to need much help and even if she did promote them further up the ladder that's just rearranging things and I'm sure the pecking order has changed anyway over the millennia.

Besides, it's interesting to note that the first use of his advanced weapons has not been to defend Beings against Creatures, but to protect a Creature against Beings.

P1027 is particularly interesting:
"It's only a matter of time before the Creature Council puts pressure on Jyrras and he reacts with his weapons.  But without that final one..."
"...They will stomp not only him but your other four friends."

The handgun is probably not the Final One.  But it's going to be interesting to see how it unfolds, since it's liable to freak out the Council once they get wind of the weapons.  And Kria, who was mentioned earlier w.r.t. Abel, has ties with the Council.

Quote from: Tapewolf on September 09, 2012, 03:31:35 PM
I can't find it - Zinvth wasn't mentioned, and I'm not sure they care anyway.  It was just 'Creature Groups' and the Creature Council that were named.

Ah... here (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1120.php) is the one I was looking for.

Quote from: Lying Foo on September 09, 2012, 03:39:33 PM
Ah... here (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1120.php) is the one I was looking for.

Ah, I see - so that gives him Zinvth's protection courtesy of Zinvth's security forces - not protection from Zinvth.  That could make things pretty ugly for the BOB if word should somehow get out that they were targeting him.

I've actually come to wonder what Pegasus means by "you of all folks should know better"?

That seems to hints at some experience of dealing with cubi in Nitemyste's past. Maybe he had a short relationship at one time with a cubi?

Quote from: supermike on August 15, 2012, 11:39:02 AM

Quote from: Nino on August 10, 2012, 01:42:55 AM

http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1265.php

We're at chapter 30! I'm not sure if this has been brought up already, but I just noticed it :p

Logically the only person capable of producing a gun is Jyrras.  He had those auto-turrets and has been stuck doing research to avoid the press.

called it  :ipod also to abel  :bday

Quote from: AmigaDragon on September 07, 2012, 10:54:28 AM

Quote from: Black_angel on September 07, 2012, 09:26:12 AMPoint being Jyrras just got his Rock Lee moment.

Who? Never heard of him.

Hehe, I think much of the speculation was that Jyrras would pull out some impressively large gun, not a little pistol. Despite their anger, how healthy is their respect for this pea shooter?
Hehe, Wildy's annoyed.

Of course Wildy's annoyed.

A: Jyrras just broke in on her action.
B: Considering the possibility that she and Biggs are Wereferrets due to it seeming that his silhouette (and neck-bling) are on the Council of Creatures, she'd know it's problematic for Jyrras' dangerous technology to be displayed before the world's ready for it.

i think the main point to note here, above all else is the one empirical thing:

Jy not only made the gun.

It seems, that he also knows how to use it with a fair amount of precision.

Firearms are not easy to use no matter what anyone says.  What Jyrras did is both impressive and frighting.
It is impressive because he was able to hit a small moving target on the first shot, it is frighting because the time and training to pull off such a shot is extensive and continuous.  It is also frighting because that did not 'sound' close to an expanding gas propelled projectile (it sounded closer to capacitors or batteries discharging).  

Quote from: ishidan on September 07, 2012, 05:39:50 PM

Problems like "how do I stop some mean motherhubbard from tearing Abel a structurally superfluous...oops too late."

Then the BOB decides they aren't impressed, and take aim at Jy.  Enter Mace, with a shoulder cannon that looks like it's out of Girl Genius.

"And if that don't work...use more gun."

Death Ray!  Get it right...:p

Yegods!  Someone got Punster Prroul started!  Head for the hills!

@Prroul:

I think that would initiate response 1:  "Squeeeeeeee!  Thank you Daddy!"

Quote from: Kayriel on September 09, 2012, 10:45:07 PM
B: Considering the possibility that she and Biggs are Wereferrets due to it seeming that his silhouette (and neck-bling) are on the Council of Creatures, she'd know it's problematic for Jyrras' dangerous technology to be displayed before the world's ready for it.

What are you smoking, and why aren't you sharing? Links, or it didn't happen.

...besides, everyone KNOWS that Ferrets are a sub-class of demon. Mind you, part of me has wanted her to be part Tanuki Mythos ever since she got that tail upgrade, but at this point I've given up hope.

The reference is to this strip (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_366.php).  However, as has been pointed out many times, it could also be this woman (http://missmab.com/Demo/were.php), or whoever else.  The idea that Wildy and Biggs are weres has been bouncing around the forum a long time, for this and other reasons that are probably best not to get too deep into right now.

Quote from: Tapewolf on September 09, 2012, 09:32:31 AM

Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 09, 2012, 04:11:52 AM
Zinvth. Not only have you not got it correct, you've got it totally wrong in two different ways in the same post. Pay attention, Zinvth has been brought up before in the last two pages. Sheesh.

Hypothetically speaking, what would you do if I said it was spelled 'Zinvth'...?

... Slap myself on the forehead and go d'oh, and then edit the page to show no sign of the previous spelling at all, ever, anywhere. Why?

Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 10, 2012, 08:25:13 AM
... Slap myself on the forehead and go d'oh, and then edit the page to show no sign of the previous spelling at all, ever, anywhere. Why?

Yeah, I thought so.  I'll keep it to myself, then...

Quote from: Kayriel on September 09, 2012, 10:45:07 PM

Quote from: AmigaDragon on September 07, 2012, 10:54:28 AM

Quote from: Black_angel on September 07, 2012, 09:26:12 AMPoint being Jyrras just got his Rock Lee moment.

Who? Never heard of him.

Hehe, I think much of the speculation was that Jyrras would pull out some impressively large gun, not a little pistol. Despite their anger, how healthy is their respect for this pea shooter?
Hehe, Wildy's annoyed.

Of course Wildy's annoyed.

A: Jyrras just broke in on her action.
B: Considering the possibility that she and Biggs are Wereferrets due to it seeming that his silhouette (and neck-bling) are on the Council of Creatures, she'd know it's problematic for Jyrras' dangerous technology to be displayed before the world's ready for it.

i can't go off and double-check this, but if memory serves, Amber mentioned in the Species directory that Weres are NOT on the council.
so if that IS Biggs there, then he CAN'T be representing weres.

just pointin' that out

Quote from: KiloFoxx on September 10, 2012, 04:17:11 PM

Quote from: Kayriel on September 09, 2012, 10:45:07 PM

Quote from: AmigaDragon on September 07, 2012, 10:54:28 AM

Quote from: Black_angel on September 07, 2012, 09:26:12 AMPoint being Jyrras just got his Rock Lee moment.

Who? Never heard of him.

Hehe, I think much of the speculation was that Jyrras would pull out some impressively large gun, not a little pistol. Despite their anger, how healthy is their respect for this pea shooter?
Hehe, Wildy's annoyed.

Of course Wildy's annoyed.

A: Jyrras just broke in on her action.
B: Considering the possibility that she and Biggs are Wereferrets due to it seeming that his silhouette (and neck-bling) are on the Council of Creatures, she'd know it's problematic for Jyrras' dangerous technology to be displayed before the world's ready for it.

i can't go off and double-check this, but if memory serves, Amber mentioned in the Species directory that Weres are NOT on the council.
so if that IS Biggs there, then he CAN'T be representing weres.

just pointin' that out

Their father perhaps?

Quote from: KiloFoxx on September 10, 2012, 04:17:11 PM
i can't go off and double-check this, but if memory serves, Amber mentioned in the Species directory that Weres are NOT on the council.
so if that IS Biggs there, then he CAN'T be representing weres.

There aren't any Weres on the Being-Creature council, i.e. the interracial justice board.
The shadowy, conspiratorial Creature Council is a different kettle of fish altogether...

Yeah, the species pages seem to be written from a Muggle's perspective (e.g., the existence of tri-wings is questioned), so that's probably not the council they're referring to there, even if that is a Being - but he/she definitely looks human.

Quote from: justacritic on September 10, 2012, 04:27:36 PM

Quote from: KiloFoxx on September 10, 2012, 04:17:11 PM
i can't go off and double-check this, but if memory serves, Amber mentioned in the Species directory that Weres are NOT on the council.
so if that IS Biggs there, then he CAN'T be representing weres.

just pointin' that out

Their father perhaps?

I believe the point (later invalidated, perhaps, by Tapewolf) was that there couldn't be _any_ Were on the Council. Therefore, if it _was_ Biggs, he couldn't be the representative of Weres. On the other hand, it could be that he's representing some other species.

Of course, as Tapewolf pointed out, there's two councils referred to as "The Council", for maximum confusion and chaos. >.<

Quote from: Eboreg on September 08, 2012, 09:20:45 PM
@ANTIcarrot: With flintlock weapons, the amount of loaded ammunition is directly proportional to the amount of barrels. Jyrras will get the point across if he fires another shot.

That would only be true if it looked anything like a flintlock pistol, which it doesn't. Hence they will fall back on general rules for generic projectile weapons. And we have the QUOTE button for a reason.

I wonder why Jyrras goes on silence rather than sound and shock, as the projectile is traveling at sub-sound speeds, and was shot silently. (thus reducing the effectiveness and the feeling of the weapon's power.)

While Silenced weapons are good if the enemy knows whats coming, but powerful and flashy would be better at shock and awe, which I would believe would be a more effective weapon than the gun alone.

Quote from: Ignuus66 on September 11, 2012, 10:22:47 AM
I wonder why Jyrras goes on silence rather than sound and shock, as the projectile is traveling at sub-sound speeds, and was shot silently. (thus reducing the effectiveness and the feeling of the weapon's power.)

While Silenced weapons are good if the enemy knows whats coming, but powerful and flashy would be better at shock and awe, which I would believe would be a more effective weapon than the gun alone.

Because unsilenced would hurt local eardrums like a mother-fudging sledgehammer?

Quote from: Eboreg on September 11, 2012, 07:09:09 PM

Quote from: Ignuus66 on September 11, 2012, 10:22:47 AM
I wonder why Jyrras goes on silence rather than sound and shock, as the projectile is traveling at sub-sound speeds, and was shot silently. (thus reducing the effectiveness and the feeling of the weapon's power.)

While Silenced weapons are good if the enemy knows whats coming, but powerful and flashy would be better at shock and awe, which I would believe would be a more effective weapon than the gun alone.

Because unsilenced would hurt local eardrums like a mother-fudging sledgehammer?

Which is actually why it would be better to show raw power. (of course you would need ear plugs)

What in Jy's personality says he's going to go with "shock and awe" as a first response to anything?  His responses tend to be overkill (giant Griffon mech, anyone?) but not shock and awe.

Also note that Jy's gun is new.  My understanding of the world is that big, loud, powerful guns exist - but are single shot and not that reliable.  Something small and quiet that does damage is something new.  If he fires another warning shot rapidly it will be very new.

Adventurers and longer-lived Creatures probably have a very risk-averse reaction to anything new.  New is bad - new might be something what can kill them - they need to figure out what new is!  (If you have seen something before you probably know a counter technique / workaround / way to avoid death.  Something new on the other hand...) Thus, a more delayed but more intimidating shock and awe.