I guess it's time for Jyrras to come up the stairs and see Alexsi and Abel both prone on the ground. I don't see Wildy being terribly impressed either.
I wonder what they're planning? Leave both of them on the floor in the inn while they take Wildy away?
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 31, 2012, 03:52:23 AM
I guess it's time for Jyrras to come up the stairs and see Alexsi and Abel both prone on the ground. I don't see Wildy being terribly impressed either.
I wonder what they're planning? Leave both of them on the floor in the inn while they take Wildy away?
Why would they leave Abel when they just said they weren't going to trust that Abel would still be there when they got back? After all, assuming they really thought he was a bad creature, why would they assume taking Wildy would give him enough incentive to stay?
Unless you're saying he'd still be passed out when they got back, but I assumed that the trip would take a little longer than that.
Quote from: Nino on August 31, 2012, 03:56:47 AM
Unless you're saying he'd still be passed out when they got back, but I assumed that the trip would take a little longer than that.
That's what I was thinking, yes.
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 31, 2012, 03:52:23 AM
I wonder what they're planning? Leave both of them on the floor in the inn while they take Wildy away?
Considering that they went there to commit murder (revenge killing, murder, all the same to me), I don't think leaving them both on the floor would be out of the question for the B-O-B.
I also am a little skeptical about Neph or whats-his-name really wanting Abel to "work" with them - I think its more likely a case of "do as we say and try not to complain too much or else".
Couldn't they lug Abel to the guild while he's out?
Quote from: TacticalError on August 31, 2012, 07:21:15 AM
Couldn't they lug Abel to the guild while he's out?
I did wonder. Pity they KO'd him, though - I can imagine the interview would be kind of interesting.
"Name?" "Abel Siar."
"Date of birth?" "??/??/1590."
"Oh, that's today!"
"Yeah, and so far my birthday consisted of having these idiots try to murder my boss and then me."
Can you imagine the size of the apology fruit basket the B-O-B is going to need to send Abel after this?
Dear Able Aibell Aybul Incubus at Lost Lake,
Sorry for almost killing your boss, taking you for a murderer, knocking you unconscious and humiliating you, and generally ruining your birthday.
Please accept this token of our apology.
Sincerely,
Genesis, Nitemyste, Peg, and Skirmish
Quote from: Grey Wolf on August 31, 2012, 09:11:42 AM
Can you imagine the size of the apology fruit basket the B-O-B is going to need to send Abel after this?
Even if they did apologize (I can't personally see it happening) do you think Abel would accept it?
Quote from: Grey Wolf on August 31, 2012, 09:11:42 AM
Sorry for almost killing your boss, taking you for a murderer, knocking you unconscious and humiliating you, and generally ruining your birthday.
Abel found a card for Merlitz (so he -might- accept an apology since he's been in a very similar position), so I imagine there's probably a row of those at the card shop too.
Theirs also another interesting thing to consider.
Their saying there taking him in until they prove otherwise he not the murderer. But I wonder just what that implies.
Does it mean they keep him under lock and key indefinitely until they find the murderer or does it mean that they kill him if they find no leads, even if the evidence and proof make their case flimsy at best?
It certainly won't help his level of trust in them.
Quote from: joshofspam on August 31, 2012, 10:39:13 AM
Their saying there taking him in until they prove otherwise he not the murderer. But I wonder just what that implies.
I'm not sure about that. They wanted to take Wildy in to verify that she's really Wildy (though how, I have no idea - what if the real Wildy was a 'Cubi, for the sake of argument?).[/quote]
QuoteIt certainly won't help his level of trust in them.
That's for sure.
Now what they might do is have two of them go off to check Wildy, and leave two to guard Alexsi and Abel. But I wouldn't want to be in their shoes when Mab comes back.
EDIT:
Oh, one thing that has occurred to me is that Abel's backstory hasn't really been touched on much in the main comic. It's possible that this might be the chapter where some of that comes out, for the benefit of people who didn't want to read Abel's Story.
Nothing says we're honest and well intentioned than sucker punching you in the back and acting like villains from 80's movies.
Quote from: Drathorin on August 31, 2012, 03:17:52 PM
Nothing says we're honest and well intentioned than sucker punching you in the back and acting like villains from 80's movies.
Well, Abel seemed to be headed towards violent threats, so that course of action seems sensible from the BOB's point of view.
Quote from: TacticalError on August 31, 2012, 03:43:48 PM
Quote from: Drathorin on August 31, 2012, 03:17:52 PM
Nothing says we're honest and well intentioned than sucker punching you in the back and acting like villains from 80's movies.
Well, Abel seemed to be headed towards violent threats, so that course of action seems sensible from the BOB's point of view.
So telling someone they committed assault for no reason, and they should GTFO for being dumb... Gives them the right to be assaulted by the retarded person some more?
Man, I should apply this sort of logic the next time I go Barhopping.
Edit: Fixed terrible grammar.
Quote from: Drathorin on August 31, 2012, 04:35:51 PM
Quote from: TacticalError on August 31, 2012, 03:43:48 PM
Quote from: Drathorin on August 31, 2012, 03:17:52 PM
Nothing says we're honest and well intentioned than sucker punching you in the back and acting like villains from 80's movies.
Well, Abel seemed to be headed towards violent threats, so that course of action seems sensible from the BOB's point of view.
So telling someone they committed assault for no reason, and they should GTFO for being dumb... Gives them the right to be assaulted by the retarded person some more?
Man, I should apply this sort of logic the next time I go Barhopping.
Edit: Fixed terrible grammar.
Abel's (and therefore, most of the reader's) point of view: Pretty much what you said.
The BOB's point of view: A 'Cubi (and they're already biased against creatures) whom they've never encountered before, who has pretty good reason (the word of an oracle) to have killed an adventurer, who is now telling them that they're all idiots.
While it doesn't make sense to someone (the all-knowing readers) who knows everything that's going on, it makes perfect sense to the BOB to backstab him, as his defense is basically him saying "I know I'm right and you're idiots."
Quote from: TacticalError on August 31, 2012, 04:58:47 PM
Quote from: Drathorin on August 31, 2012, 04:35:51 PM
Quote from: TacticalError on August 31, 2012, 03:43:48 PM
Quote from: Drathorin on August 31, 2012, 03:17:52 PM
Nothing says we're honest and well intentioned than sucker punching you in the back and acting like villains from 80's movies.
Well, Abel seemed to be headed towards violent threats, so that course of action seems sensible from the BOB's point of view.
So telling someone they committed assault for no reason, and they should GTFO for being dumb... Gives them the right to be assaulted by the retarded person some more?
Man, I should apply this sort of logic the next time I go Barhopping.
Edit: Fixed terrible grammar.
Abel's (and therefore, most of the reader's) point of view: Pretty much what you said.
The BOB's point of view: A 'Cubi (and they're already biased against creatures) whom they've never encountered before, who has pretty good reason (the word of an oracle) to have killed an adventurer, who is now telling them that they're all idiots.
While it doesn't make sense to someone (the all-knowing readers) who knows everything that's going on, it makes perfect sense to the BOB to backstab him, as his defense is basically him saying "I know I'm right and you're idiots."
So it's good to know they basically prove everyone's opinion of them valid.
AKA. Our Honor extends to hitting you in the back. And Attacking civilians, we'll prove we're not like that, by doing it again.
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 31, 2012, 07:27:19 AM
Quote from: TacticalError on August 31, 2012, 07:21:15 AM
Couldn't they lug Abel to the guild while he's out?
I did wonder. Pity they KO'd him, though - I can imagine the interview would be kind of interesting.
"Name?" "Abel Siar."
"Date of birth?" "??/??/1590."
"Oh, that's today!"
"Yeah, and so far my birthday consisted of having these idiots try to murder my boss and then me."
oh how i would love to see that happen. and the reasulting reaction.
I wonder how this is going to effect relations between the people of Lost Lake and those members of BOB?
I wonder if it's uncommon for adventurers of a different area to be lynched by the adventurers and residents of the area?
Not to mention the murderer is still on the prowl.
Okay, there seems to be some loss of perspective here... The group of so called "Adventurers" were standing over the innocent woman they had assaulted and were about to murder simply on suspicion, and I know horsey boy protested, but I get the distinct feeling he wasn't gonna take too much convincing to join the "Kill Alexsi" club.
It doesn't matter how good their intentions are, they've crossed a line and attacked a fellow being from the shadows without proof or provocation and when Jyrras shows up with his homemade kill-bot with the built in hurt-locker (the one that freaked out Abel so effectively) then the BOB will finally get some perspective of their own, as well as hospital bills.
Let's see, Mab and Ducky might be on the way back with the cake.
Jyrras might be able to call Macy and have her come over or even Jyrras might have some of his new fire arms in his possession.
While all those are uncertainties, the one really big uncertainty is the basement rats. But we haven't seen them in a while. So they might not even be living in that basement ant more.
I guess a big question everyone is asking themselves is who's going to confront BOB now or how Far BOB is going to make it out the front door?
Though it might be fun watching Kria go through a rampage in the Adventurers headquarters to free Abel. :)
Quote from: joshofspam on August 31, 2012, 09:30:21 PM
Let's see, Mab and Ducky might be on the way back with the cake.
My guess is that Pyroduck will return after the BOB have left, because he might be able to interpret the Oracle's statement, having been brought up by the Oracles and lived with them for quite some time.
While he seems to have flubbed the sink riddle, he's far more likely to be able to make sense of what they say than anyone else present with the possible exception of Mab and she'll probably be content to play dumb even if she knows.
Sooooooooo they went through this whole charade trying to convince Wildy and Abel that no, they're NOT in fact trying to lead Abel into a deathtrap and please bind your reputation into defending him, and then go and do THIS?
Oh yeah, Wildy's going to be REALLY wanting to help them now. /sarcasm
Quote from: Darron Ranston on August 31, 2012, 08:14:25 PM
Okay, there seems to be some loss of perspective here... The group of so called "Adventurers" were standing over the innocent woman they had assaulted and were about to murder simply on suspicion, and I know horsey boy protested, but I get the distinct feeling he wasn't gonna take too much convincing to join the "Kill Alexsi" club.
It doesn't matter how good their intentions are, they've crossed a line and attacked a fellow being from the shadows without proof or provocation and when Jyrras shows up with his homemade kill-bot with the built in hurt-locker (the one that freaked out Abel so effectively) then the BOB will finally get some perspective of their own, as well as hospital bills.
Except they didn't know this one was innocent, from their prospective from their last visit was that this gal was 100% Cubi with 100% Cubi magics.
This started from their visit back when they came to lost lake originally, where they met "Merlitz" (Abel) and "Alexsi" (Dan), now while they were there they identified Alexsi as completely covered in Cubi Magic, and that Merlitz there and okay with it means they didn't need to do anything, and then they leave and go on to do other adventuring things.. Later on they find out that Merlitz is gone, and with that discovery find him dead, and with this knowledge have gone to an Oracle to try to figure out what happened.
However the Oracle, a bit peeved about having to answer questions on her lunch break gave a very clear and concise answer, which is "Cubi at Lost Lake". Their reasoning puts up "Alexsi" + Merlitz = Dead Merlitz, and thus don't have any understanding that they actually attacked a being at all.
In fact
nobody has told them that the person they attacked wasn't a Cubi, except for Abel's "I'm the only Cubi at Lost Lake", and armed with knowledge from the Oracle , continued fighting against the person they think killed their former friend, and the loss of a person can do funny things to a persons mental state and their judgements.
Technically, Aary's been to Lost Lake, right?
Quote from: Techcubi on September 01, 2012, 10:23:19 AM
Technically, Aary's been to Lost Lake, right?
She's been to the Lost Lake Inn. We still do not know if she's ever been to Lost Lake itself. >:3
Someone a few threads ago said that when a Phoenix speaks the most plainly, that is when you need to be the most worried about hidden meanings, and I agree.
Still think the Phoenix's riddle is solved here (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1330.php). If, because of Dan, he'd have been dead a month ago without Abel's intervention, and he hasn't really benefited from Abel's intervention since the breakup, how could his death not be Dan's fault?
QuoteHowever the Oracle, a bit peeved about having to answer questions on her lunch break gave a very clear and concise answer, which is "Cubi at Lost Lake".
The Oracle said "Cubi
from Lost Lake" not "at." This is important because Merlitz clearly did not die at Lost Lake.
At any rate, I'm not very impressed with these adventurers since simply inspiring Merlitz to take up adventuring again (leading to his death) would be enough to fit that Oracle.
Quote from: Zeb on September 01, 2012, 08:37:11 AM
Quote from: Darron Ranston on August 31, 2012, 08:14:25 PM
Okay, there seems to be some loss of perspective here... The group of so called "Adventurers" were standing over the innocent woman they had assaulted and were about to murder simply on suspicion, and I know horsey boy protested, but I get the distinct feeling he wasn't gonna take too much convincing to join the "Kill Alexsi" club.
It doesn't matter how good their intentions are, they've crossed a line and attacked a fellow being from the shadows without proof or provocation and when Jyrras shows up with his homemade kill-bot with the built in hurt-locker (the one that freaked out Abel so effectively) then the BOB will finally get some perspective of their own, as well as hospital bills.
Except they didn't know this one was innocent, from their prospective from their last visit was that this gal was 100% Cubi with 100% Cubi magics.
This started from their visit back when they came to lost lake originally, where they met "Merlitz" (Abel) and "Alexsi" (Dan), now while they were there they identified Alexsi as completely covered in Cubi Magic, and that Merlitz there and okay with it means they didn't need to do anything, and then they leave and go on to do other adventuring things.. Later on they find out that Merlitz is gone, and with that discovery find him dead, and with this knowledge have gone to an Oracle to try to figure out what happened.
However the Oracle, a bit peeved about having to answer questions on her lunch break gave a very clear and concise answer, which is "Cubi at Lost Lake". Their reasoning puts up "Alexsi" + Merlitz = Dead Merlitz, and thus don't have any understanding that they actually attacked a being at all.
In fact nobody has told them that the person they attacked wasn't a Cubi, except for Abel's "I'm the only Cubi at Lost Lake", and armed with knowledge from the Oracle , continued fighting against the person they think killed their former friend, and the loss of a person can do funny things to a persons mental state and their judgements.
And what exactly did you think I meant by "Simply on Suspicion"? Let's face it, this wasn't the storming of DP's lair, this was the BOB breaking into Lost Lake Inn and shooting Alexsi in the back with a magic taser and not bothering to even ask if she was a cubi until there was a sword to her throat.
I am perfectly cognizant of the events that led up to their belief that a cubi Lost Lake was responsible and that Alexsi was a cubi. I am not disputing their beliefs and motivations and I acknowledge that their PERSPECTIVE maybe a bit skewed because of the alleged death of Merlitz, but the fact remains that ALEXSI is innocent and even if she was a cubi, she would still be innocent.
I honestly don't know what it is you're trying to argue here. No matter what they believe they are in the wrong, like alot of people in real life who believed something absolutely and thought murder was the appropriate response. I just hope that Abel doesn't pay the ultimate price for their beliefs.
Quote from: Lying Foo on September 01, 2012, 11:39:35 AM
If, because of Dan, he'd have been dead a month ago without Abel's intervention, and he hasn't really benefited from Abel's intervention since the breakup, how could his death not be Dan's fault?
I'm not sure I buy that. Destania's fault, yes because she is trying to wipe the dragons from Furrae somehow.
Cyra's fault, yes, because she sparked the war (though it would probably have happened anyway).
Dan has no idea what's going on, everyone who does has decided not to clue him in for some reason that remains unclear. I can't see how he can be blamed for that.
You know, I notice how hard everyone (or a lot of you) are being on the B.O.B. for their 'racism'. But Abel here is being a GIANT hypocrite for asking them to not judge him based on being a Cubi, considering he also attacked and tried to kill Pyroduck without warning based completely on him being a dragon - without evidence, without asking anyone about him. So I'm not really sure if he's much better.
Quote from: Nino on September 01, 2012, 03:02:10 PM
You know, I notice how hard everyone (or a lot of you) are being on the B.O.B. for their 'racism'. But Abel here is being a GIANT hypocrite for asking them to not judge him based on being a Cubi, considering he also attacked and tried to kill Pyroduck without warning based completely on him being a dragon - without evidence, without asking anyone about him. So I'm not really sure if he's much better.
That's a fair point.
The only real difference in that is Abel just looking out for a threat that may have well killed Dan on sight if he knew Dan's secret. While BOB is looking for someone to obviously kill.
Chances are in both scenes if Abel was given the chance and BOB given any indication of Alexsi being a cubi, they would have both killed their target.
In short, Abel is a defender, BOB is an attacker, with no reason to trust in there own situation.
Edit: Though we haven't yet seen just how dangerous dragons are to cubi in the current time. Just little hints here and there and bit's giving us an idea to what the dragons did in the past.
About the whole 'tazing Abel' thing. I really think Abel was, quite stupidly, doing NOTHING to defuse a volatile situation. I think Skirmish acted quite wisely given the situation. She could have done much worse to the hot-headed 'cubi and suspected murderer than knock him out.
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 01, 2012, 02:49:14 PM
Quote from: Lying Foo on September 01, 2012, 11:39:35 AM
If, because of Dan, he'd have been dead a month ago without Abel's intervention, and he hasn't really benefited from Abel's intervention since the breakup, how could his death not be Dan's fault?
I'm not sure I buy that. Destania's fault, yes because she is trying to wipe the dragons from Furrae somehow.
Cyra's fault, yes, because she sparked the war (though it would probably have happened anyway).
Dan has no idea what's going on, everyone who does has decided not to clue him in for some reason that remains unclear. I can't see how he can be blamed for that.
Morally? Sure. But enough of a causal link that it's probably what the Oracle was referring to.
well, all i can say that this has been quite..
*dons sunglasses*
..a shocking development.
>:3
That pun was truly stunning.
I may have to charge you for it.
i'm just saying that Ambaargh knows how to deliver a knockout cliffhanger is all. >:3
Quote from: Nino on September 01, 2012, 03:02:10 PM
You know, I notice how hard everyone (or a lot of you) are being on the B.O.B. for their 'racism'. But Abel here is being a GIANT hypocrite for asking them to not judge him based on being a Cubi, considering he also attacked and tried to kill Pyroduck without warning based completely on him being a dragon - without evidence, without asking anyone about him. So I'm not really sure if he's much better.
In Abel's defense, Dan is of Clan Cyra which is pretty much a VIP on the Dragon's Hitlist.
Quote from: kztxl7 on September 02, 2012, 02:58:33 PM
Quote from: Nino on September 01, 2012, 03:02:10 PM
You know, I notice how hard everyone (or a lot of you) are being on the B.O.B. for their 'racism'. But Abel here is being a GIANT hypocrite for asking them to not judge him based on being a Cubi, considering he also attacked and tried to kill Pyroduck without warning based completely on him being a dragon - without evidence, without asking anyone about him. So I'm not really sure if he's much better.
In Abel's defense, Dan is of Clan Cyra which is pretty much a VIP on the Dragon's Hitlist.
And Beings are prime targets for many creatures, especially 'Cubi. I'm not saying the B-O-B are in the right- they aren't- but they have an reason for being in the wrong. If that makes sense.
Quote from: TacticalError on September 02, 2012, 03:31:54 PM
Quote from: kztxl7 on September 02, 2012, 02:58:33 PM
Quote from: Nino on September 01, 2012, 03:02:10 PM
You know, I notice how hard everyone (or a lot of you) are being on the B.O.B. for their 'racism'. But Abel here is being a GIANT hypocrite for asking them to not judge him based on being a Cubi, considering he also attacked and tried to kill Pyroduck without warning based completely on him being a dragon - without evidence, without asking anyone about him. So I'm not really sure if he's much better.
In Abel's defense, Dan is of Clan Cyra which is pretty much a VIP on the Dragon's Hitlist.
And Beings are prime targets for many creatures, especially 'Cubi. I'm not saying the B-O-B are in the right- they aren't- but they have an reason for being in the wrong. If that makes sense.
i'm not sure i 100% agree...
Abel (in attacking Pyroduck) was basically protecting against immediete threats and playing a BODYGUARD role.
the B.O.B. on the other hand, are acting out of revenge or some sort of justice. a POLICE force, if you will, for when the law fails to provide real justice.
logically you'd expect someone claiming to protect justice to be a LITTLE more **** professional in their dealings. y'know, have things like Proof and Evidence. not just attacking inkeepers willy-nilly.
Quote from: KiloFoxx on September 02, 2012, 05:44:54 PM
logically you'd expect someone claiming to protect justice to be a LITTLE more **** professional in their dealings. y'know, have things like Proof and Evidence. not just attacking inkeepers willy-nilly.
In a way, they did. It's just that it came from the Oracles, who seem to delight in trying to have the wrong person killed if the Aary-Destania-Dan thing is anything to go by. And they [the BOB] seem to know that 'Cubi are very rare.
That said, I can also imagine that they'd [Cubi] tend to cluster in small groups - husband and wife, perhaps.
Interestingly, the BOB seem to be trying to have it both ways: "Alexsi must be the one - how many others can there be...?" vs "Check Wildy out in case she's a 'Cubi too."
But if you really want a failure of reasoning, Wildy has mentioned the murders of several other 'Cubi in the area - that alone should make them stop and think that it might not be as clear cut as they apparently believed. It might have been one of them, even.
EDIT: Clarify ambiguous uses of 'they'
Yeah, the Oracle wasn't vague in the usual Oracle Word riddles way, but rather gave the "Here is an answer, now leave me alone because you're irritating me" vague type answer. Sure she told them a Cubi from Lost Lake killed Merlitz, but she never said the Cubi was still there. More importantly, she never even gave name of the Cubi except the slight identification of being Cubi.
B.O.B should've used the Oracle's word as a lead, rather than end result evidence.
HERE is a mind twister for you. What if the Phoenix HERSELF was a disguised Cubi, with a grudge against Dan's family, be it his mother's side, or his father's? :erk
*Figures I would beaten to the punch slightly.
I never liked the Oracle's answer, it would not be difficult for someone with hard to detect magic/cubi powers to impersonate them and give the B.O.B. an answer that would benefit them or their group.
People after Dan, Cyra, Destania, Jyrass, Abel or even Wildy could easily do this and send them that way either to hopefully stamp somebody out or to find something out.
Either way it puts them away from the blast radius with no evidence of who pointed the B.O.B. in the Inn's direction.
Nearly perfect manipulation. Biggest variable is when the B.O.B. would arrive at the Inn and who would be there.
If you wanted to put on enough pressure to see if Jyrass had any weapons to be afraid of, this would be a perfect way to do it. Assuming you could manipulate the situation into something that hopeless. I'm certain Mab is in on it in someway, she took the two heaviest hitters they have left at the Inn out of the game by "randomly" heading to the moon with Pyroduck.
Quote from: Starcat5 on September 03, 2012, 01:26:54 AM
HERE is a mind twister for you. What if the Phoenix HERSELF was a disguised Cubi, with a grudge against Dan's family, be it his mother's side, or his father's? :erk
most likely his father, as Dan being a cyra cubi isn't publicly known.
Quote from: Turnsky on September 03, 2012, 02:15:13 AM
Quote from: Starcat5 on September 03, 2012, 01:26:54 AM
HERE is a mind twister for you. What if the Phoenix HERSELF was a disguised Cubi, with a grudge against Dan's family, be it his mother's side, or his father's? :erk
most likely his father, as Dan being a cyra cubi isn't publicly known.
Am I the only one wondering if Able has a younger sibling? Perhaps one ticked off over his/her father's death? :mwaha
Quote from: Starcat5 on September 03, 2012, 06:37:29 AM
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Am I the only one wondering if Able has a younger sibling? Perhaps one ticked off over his/her father's death? :mwaha
Maybe if you substitute 'ticked off' with 'gibbering in a corner somewhere' or 'dead'. I believe at some point in Abel's Story (panel 3, page 12 of part two to be precise) Fa'lina mentioned that none of Aniz's previous offspring had coped particularly well, unsurprisingly.
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Am I the only one wondering if Able has a younger sibling? Perhaps one ticked off over his/her father's death? :mwaha
Maybe if you substitute 'ticked off' with 'gibbering in a corner somewhere' or 'dead'. I believe at some point in Abel's Story (panel 3, page 12 of part two to be precise) Fa'lina mentioned that none of Aniz's previous offspring had coped particularly well, unsurprisingly.
That depends on if he pulled another Able, but was killed off BEFORE he ruined his offspring's life. :dancinggrave
Remember, the loon managed to pull off "Father of the Year" right up until Abel's headwings came in. Imagine what would have happened if Aniz had died BEFORE his mask of sanity had been dropped? :erk
...also, is it just me, or is the update running late? Hopefully Amber will say something in the rant-blog before we all start worrying about her health. :<
Quote from: Starcat5 on September 03, 2012, 03:56:19 PM
...also, is it just me, or is the update running late? Hopefully Amber will say something in the rant-blog before we all start worrying about her health. :<
She has, actually:
"...8 panels, eating mah face, plan to have comic done after a brief visit with sleepy-town. That said, I can safely say the end of the mega-sized comics is near which will thankfully mean that it shouldn't be such a stress getting more than 1 update a week done at a decent time."
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Am I the only one wondering if Able has a younger sibling? Perhaps one ticked off over his/her father's death? :mwaha
Maybe if you substitute 'ticked off' with 'gibbering in a corner somewhere' or 'dead'. I believe at some point in Abel's Story (panel 3, page 12 of part two to be precise) Fa'lina mentioned that none of Aniz's previous offspring had coped particularly well, unsurprisingly.
That depends on if he pulled another Able, but was killed off BEFORE he ruined his offspring's life. :dancinggrave
Remember, the loon managed to pull off "Father of the Year" right up until Abel's headwings came in. Imagine what would have happened if Aniz had died BEFORE his mask of sanity had been dropped? :erk
Due to the 'no bringing kids to SAIA' ban that was imposed, I can't think he would have pulled another cuckoo operation without somewhere to dump the kid. I guess he was killed before his scheme was complete. Also, I'm strangely impressed by how well Aniz kept up the facade- it must take incredible concentration to not make any slips, and good wit to weasel out of any mistakes you make.
Well if we're talking about Aniz children and the restriction put on by Fa'lina.
She didn't say that he couldn't have children in that time. Just that he couldn't enroll another one of his children till then.
It actually would be kind of ironic or tragic if Abel had a younger brother who was responsible for the cubi killings. After all, depending how young the cubi would be in that situation, he would not likely have any training at being a cubi with Aniz dead.
To be fair, I am sure plenty of adventuring groups have been killed by "innocent" creatures when they had their back turned, and thus even if the minority of creatures do this, the risk is there, therefor the adventurers probably "distrust" (understatement) any creature that may pose a threat in their eyes. (any creature basically)
Also guilty untill proven innocent seems to be the way the "law" system works.
@Ignuus66: You mean like what nearly happened to Merlitz when he first met Aaryanna?
Quote from: TacticalError on September 03, 2012, 04:19:06 PM
Due to the 'no bringing kids to SAIA' ban that was imposed, I can't think he would have pulled another cuckoo operation without somewhere to dump the kid. I guess he was killed before his scheme was complete. Also, I'm strangely impressed by how well Aniz kept up the facade- it must take incredible concentration to not make any slips, and good wit to weasel out of any mistakes you make.
Recheck the math. The kid would be a little older than Dan, but still around the right age to go strait to SAIA the moment the ban was lifted. Aniz just had the bad luck to DIE before he could pull it off.
Unless he decided to get an early start, and make up for lost time... somewhere, there are half a dozen youths, raised by single mothers since infancy, who sprouted headwings for reasons unknown to all a few years back and, more likely than not, with no support system, wound up lynched.
Quote from: Eboreg on September 03, 2012, 06:23:38 PM
@Ignuus66: You mean like what nearly happened to Merlitz when he first met Aaryanna?
A good example, yes.
Quote from: Starcat5 on September 03, 2012, 03:56:19 PM
...also, is it just me, or is the update running late? Hopefully Amber will say something in the rant-blog before we all start worrying about her health. :<
Should we get Ambaaargh to work up a health bar for the site?
... Better yet, we'll get Darkmoon to organise it. ;-]
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 04, 2012, 08:02:32 AM
Quote from: Starcat5 on September 03, 2012, 03:56:19 PM
...also, is it just me, or is the update running late? Hopefully Amber will say something in the rant-blog before we all start worrying about her health. :<
Should we get Ambaaargh to work up a health bar for the site?
... Better yet, we'll get Darkmoon to organise it. ;-]
I'd say a full character pic with HP/MP, and status effects. :B
Quote from: Turnsky on September 04, 2012, 08:59:26 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 04, 2012, 08:02:32 AM
Quote from: Starcat5 on September 03, 2012, 03:56:19 PM
...also, is it just me, or is the update running late? Hopefully Amber will say something in the rant-blog before we all start worrying about her health. :<
Should we get Ambaaargh to work up a health bar for the site?
... Better yet, we'll get Darkmoon to organise it. ;-]
I'd say a full character pic with HP/MP, and status effects. :B
Can the site level up?
Quote from: TacticalError on September 04, 2012, 01:13:51 PM
Can the site level up?
Send Amber a million dollars and I'm sure it will.
EDIT: And the amount probably doubles with each level up like in Ultima 7.
Quote from: joshofspam on September 03, 2012, 04:50:16 PM
Well if we're talking about Aniz children and the restriction put on by Fa'lina.
She didn't say that he couldn't have children in that time. Just that he couldn't enroll another one of his children till then.
It actually would be kind of ironic or tragic if Abel had a younger brother who was responsible for the cubi killings. After all, depending how young the cubi would be in that situation, he would not likely have any training at being a cubi with Aniz dead.
oh my, that would be an immensly interesting storyline to follow. and fairly plausible too. i doubt it though as i can't think of a SINGLE case when the plot went according to fan speculation. i swear sometimes i think Amber reads these for ideas on what NOT to do.
Quote from: TacticalError on September 04, 2012, 01:13:51 PM
Quote from: Turnsky on September 04, 2012, 08:59:26 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 04, 2012, 08:02:32 AM
Quote from: Starcat5 on September 03, 2012, 03:56:19 PM
...also, is it just me, or is the update running late? Hopefully Amber will say something in the rant-blog before we all start worrying about her health. :<
Should we get Ambaaargh to work up a health bar for the site?
... Better yet, we'll get Darkmoon to organise it. ;-]
I'd say a full character pic with HP/MP, and status effects. :B
Can the site level up?
OMFG this this and more this. awesome idea. i love it
Quote from: KiloFoxx on September 04, 2012, 06:15:06 PM
oh my, that would be an immensly interesting storyline to follow. and fairly plausible too. i doubt it though as i can't think of a SINGLE case when the plot went according to fan speculation. i swear sometimes i think Amber reads these for ideas on what NOT to do.
It's happened often enough for some of the moderators to get irate whenever someone says "I called it!" ;-)
FWIW the core plot is planned in advance. I think that Amber sometimes tweaks the dialogue in response to forum speculation (e.g. the last panel in 811 looked a lot like she was trolling the forum), but she has stated in the past that the forum doesn't really affect the story itself.
Quote from: Tapewolf on September 04, 2012, 08:35:19 PM
Quote from: KiloFoxx on September 04, 2012, 06:15:06 PM
oh my, that would be an immensly interesting storyline to follow. and fairly plausible too. i doubt it though as i can't think of a SINGLE case when the plot went according to fan speculation. i swear sometimes i think Amber reads these for ideas on what NOT to do.
It's happened often enough for some of the moderators to get irate whenever someone says "I called it!" ;-)
FWIW the core plot is planned in advance. I think that Amber sometimes tweaks the dialogue in response to forum speculation (e.g. the last panel in 811 looked a lot like she was trolling the forum), but she has stated in the past that the forum doesn't really affect the story itself.
oh i know changing the story on the fly to 100% NOT comply with fan speculation would be a total pain in the ass and utterly impossible from a practical standpoint. i'm a writer myself so i know the effort that goes into making a story.
i actually havn't even been on the forums long. i popped in because i ran out of stuff to do because i havn't had a computer for like. 6 months. there's only so much you can do on a PSP and a Wii...
but back to the point. it shows tremendous storytelling skill on Ambers part to be able to have a complete and VERY engaging storyline where quite a LOT of fan speculation is incorrect. keeping them guessing at every turn. that's a sign of a VERY good story and an exceptional author. i only wish i was THAT good.
This may sound like a silly supposition, but it just occurred to me that the Oracle's definition of "killed" in this instance could be the same as the Oracle who told Aary that Dan had "killed" Destania. In other words, death could mean the death of his/her former life, which is a good example of what can happen in a romantic breakup. Therefore, the cubi who "killed" Merlitz could be the one who broke his heart and changed his life: Aary.