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Title: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: Tapewolf on August 13, 2012, 04:17:57 AM
It might also bear repeating that he didn't kill Merlitz (being adventurers and all, saying the Oracle was full of it might not be enough).  And I have to wonder why he hasn't mentioned Aary was on-site... I can understand wanting to protect Dan.

Might be time for Wildy to chirp up again.
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: lycaonpictus77 on August 13, 2012, 04:22:49 AM
This is the greatest thing I have ever seen.
Ever.
I was hoping we'd find out "there's an evil cubi at Lost Lake" so we'd have someone to blame the Merlitz thing on, but... you know, I think I'm okay with this.

I think my money's on Destania. She's just too much of a wild card where good vs bad is concerned.

Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: TacticalError on August 13, 2012, 04:50:39 AM
Anyone have any ideas on why Fa'lina seems slightly happy about the prospect of Destania going off the deep end?
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: Sofox on August 13, 2012, 05:21:38 AM
Quote from: TacticalError on August 13, 2012, 04:50:39 AM
Anyone have any ideas on why Fa'lina seems slightly happy about the prospect of Destania going off the deep end?

I read the expression more as poignant regret over melanchonic inevitability rather than happiness. She felt that this may happen, and now it finally has.
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: MT Hazard on August 13, 2012, 05:58:06 AM
I see a confrontation between Dan and Dest at some point in the future. Possibly involving Dan dressed as a women. I'll post the details another time.

Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: Feather Dancer on August 13, 2012, 06:49:55 AM
I just love the fact she trusts Abel and has the faith in him to be able to do it.  Dee really did and half leave Dan in the lurch didn't she? Mean it's obvious she does care about her family but seems heavily reliant on other people to keep everyone in one piece while she lurks elsewhere.
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: Lying Foo on August 13, 2012, 07:04:52 AM
I think Abel's going to look back at this as what he'd call a "Cubi moment."  But still, kickass.

Well, this leads to the obvious question of whether this is an extremely circuitous assassination attempt.

1. Feed Merlitz to Regina and/or Destania.
2. Something something Phoenix Oracle.  (Never mind that the Phoenix Oracles don't seem much more keen on dragons than Cubi or the Sans.)
3. ???

Huh.  Maybe not.
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: LoneHowler on August 13, 2012, 07:13:05 AM
Hmm I have a wild crazy theory, not all cubi clans like eachother. I'm sure there are plenty that would be happy to see cyra clan gone. So here is my odd ball theory ( and I wouldn't be surprised to be proven wrong ) the Phonix is a cubi in disguise who set the whole thing up to get rid of Dan. No need to get your hands dirty too much. just kill one pesky adventurer, then impersonate a Phoenix and send avenging adventurers to do dirty work
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: Lying Foo on August 13, 2012, 07:32:09 AM
I still think the Oracles are too powerful to allow that.  A lone succubus scaring a lone Phoenix is one thing (especially since she must have seen the attack and its quick resolution coming), but managing to kill and impersonate the seer on point?  No.

...and crap.  I can't believe I just realized that the flashback was meant to convey that (Abel thinks) Dan killed Merlitz through association.  Not an impersonator, or an assassination attempt, or a hidden Cubi, or a metaphorical death, or anything funny like that.

I'm slow.
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: Tapewolf on August 13, 2012, 07:34:20 AM
Quote from: Lying Foo on August 13, 2012, 07:32:09 AM
...and crap.  I can't believe I just realized that the flashback was meant to convey that it was Dan who killed Merlitz (through association).  Not an assassination attempt or anything funny like that.

Well, I read it as Destania, since she's the root cause.  But yeah, I think that's where this is heading.  And it has the potential to get much worse if the dragons do show up at Lost Lake.
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: TacticalError on August 13, 2012, 07:44:28 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 13, 2012, 07:34:20 AM
And it has the potential to get much worse if the dragons do show up at Lost Lake.

I'd say it would definitely get much worse if dragons show up at LL. Unless Mab gets off the whole 'Fae are too powerful to directly intervene' thing. Which she won't. Assuming she even got back from the moon in time.
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: Lying Foo on August 13, 2012, 07:48:09 AM
Back from the moon with Hizell's son, you mean?
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: justacritic on August 13, 2012, 07:50:20 AM
You know what Abel said in the last panel is rather oracle-like. Technically he is the only cubi at Lost Lake Inn... at the moment so he's not actually lying.
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: TacticalError on August 13, 2012, 08:05:43 AM
Quote from: Lying Foo on August 13, 2012, 07:48:09 AM
Back from the moon with Hizell's son, you mean?

I don't think it was actually stated that Pyro's dad is Hizell. It was just implied.
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: Tapewolf on August 13, 2012, 08:32:56 AM
Abel now has a bit of a quandary.  If the purpose of his little flashback was for him to realise that Merlitz has probably fallen foul of Destania's enemies, he can't easily share that information.

He could probably explain to Wildy or Jyrras in private what's going on, but filling in the B-O-B to stop them trying to kill him will be difficult to do without compromising Dan (both as a 'Cubi, and in terms of the Dragons getting wind of him).

EDIT: There again, perhaps not... he could just say that he was there to protect Alexsi and the others at the inn and leave it at that.
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: maus_merryjest on August 13, 2012, 09:42:20 AM
... Oh, bother. This might very well be Abel's last stand, especially if Jyrras doesn't call in some of his heavy tech.
I'm surprised he hasn't, actually-- if someone on whom I had a huge crush was getting attacked by the Derp But Dangerous Patrol, I'd hold back as much as Ivan the Terrible going through Kazan.
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: Tapewolf on August 13, 2012, 10:10:20 AM
Quote from: maus_merryjest on August 13, 2012, 09:42:20 AM
... Oh, bother. This might very well be Abel's last stand, especially if Jyrras doesn't call in some of his heavy tech.

Jyrras might intervene.  But even if he doesn't, Abel seems to know what he's doing in a fight.  Wildy is probably not going to stand by either, and you've got umpteen other possible sources of help - folks investigating the distress call, Alexsi (who is going to be pretty mad about this if she wakes up and sees them trying to kill her bodyguard), plus Lorenda, Kria, maybe even Aliyka if she's still alive.  And that's not counting Mab and Pyroduck.

Frankly, I wouldn't give much for the B-O-B's chances if they did take down Abel and then had to face Wildy and Alexsi in a killing rage.

That said, I'm not sure the current fight will last much longer.  The feeling I get is that it's winding down.  But we shall see.
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: TacticalError on August 13, 2012, 10:24:31 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 13, 2012, 10:10:20 AM
...Abel seems to know what he's doing in a fight.

I agree. He was using his morphed backwings very effectively earlier.
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: Alondro on August 13, 2012, 11:48:19 AM
The comic has now gone into full-on dramatic bad-ass mode!  The battles shall be glorious and filled with sorrow and pain and suffering!

*Charline salivates*  I'm going to be so full!  >:9
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: e_voyager on August 13, 2012, 11:52:39 AM
if we want to go for the metaphorical killed they it's far to say that Ary killed his adventure's spirit but that might be stretching it a bit. also did the aventues notice that neither Widly nor able have tried to kill them yet? all they've done is basically is self defense or fight for the sake of fighting i Widly case. (though i guess it's far to say she's defending her friends as well)
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: joshofspam on August 13, 2012, 12:06:43 PM
Quote from: TacticalError on August 13, 2012, 10:24:31 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 13, 2012, 10:10:20 AM
...Abel seems to know what he's doing in a fight.

I agree. He was using his morphed backwings very effectively earlier.

I've actually noticed that Abel has a fighting style that is very familiar to what is mentioned about Clan Owona. Could it actually be that Abel might be taking it easy on BOB up to this moment?

Abel certainly wasn't a drop out of the combat courses.
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: Sunblink on August 13, 2012, 12:44:15 PM
Oh, Abel.

Favorite character.

So many feelings about this page. :<
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: Tapewolf on August 13, 2012, 01:20:15 PM
Quote from: joshofspam on August 13, 2012, 12:06:43 PM
I've actually noticed that Abel has a fighting style that is very familiar to what is mentioned about Clan Owona. Could it actually be that Abel might be taking it easy on BOB up to this moment?

I think you may have a point.  Abel didn't lose it (if he had, it's likely that he and the closest BOB would be dead) but he was definitely in a mood to cause them a lot of pain as a priority.

It looks like he may have switched into strategy mode.  Though I'd like to think that at this point the BOB might have pause to think things over and thrash things out sensibly.  (e.g. the fact that Abel has had time to think undisturbed, and there are no obvious attacks in the final panel)
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: TacticalError on August 13, 2012, 05:15:24 PM
Also, did anyone else notice that the date at the bottom of the strip says '1012'?
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: Naldru on August 13, 2012, 05:37:56 PM
Maybe Abel is about to go medieval on them.
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: Ignuus66 on August 13, 2012, 05:44:51 PM
Quote from: TacticalError on August 13, 2012, 05:15:24 PM
Also, did anyone else notice that the date at the bottom of the strip says '1012'?
*delurk*
It's happened before a few times, but yeah, its nothing major and probably just a typo.
*relurk*
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: Infranscia on August 13, 2012, 06:57:49 PM
Welp, I'd say this comic has some connection to pages 712 (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_712.php) and 1,006 (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1006.php).  I'm wondering if maybe Dan would have let slip that he's from clan Cyra if Abel wasn't there, or something.

I do think metaphorical death or 'indirectly killed' is fairly high on the 'possible' list.  Cubi-in-disguise is also possible, though I don't know if the Oracles would put up with that.

Also, the BOB mentioned being 'blocked' as a possible reason for Merl's stone not responding, and Destania can block things (http://missmab.com/Comics/Ab_058.php), at least from being detected magically.  Don't know if that would be powerful enough to confuse the oracle, though I'd say it's possible that it has some connection.


However, something that stood out to me was Abel's last line in the comic: "I'm the only Cubi at Lost Lake Inn.'

Literally, that means 'I am the only Cubi in (or very near) the structure known as Lost Lake Inn at this very moment.'  So not a lie, at least technically.  Not sure if Abel's intentionally using wordplay.  I'm guessing not, but it's hard to say.

Anyway, the Phoenix just said 'some Cubi from Lost Lake.'  "Lost Lake" is a rather large property/area.  While maybe not likely, I'd say there's a chance that there's been a Cubi lurking around the property.

Hmm... On another thought, I wonder if the Phoenix Oracles have a different idea of 'dying' than most.  They don't really die like others do, and when they do 'die' they come back with a different personality (except for Pandora).  So if they tend to use the term 'death' metaphorically it may not be intentional.

Quote from: maus_merryjest on August 13, 2012, 09:42:20 AM... Oh, bother. This might very well be Abel's last stand, especially if Jyrras doesn't call in some of his heavy tech.

It's pretty much been outright said that guns will appear in this chapter (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1265.php).  It's also been very strongly implied that guns have something to do with Jyrras and magic-free material (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1174.php).  I've pretty much been waiting for Jyrras to come in with a pistol since Alexi was sleep-ified, and particularly since the police hung up on Jyrras.  Don't know if any of the police would have guns by now, though I doubt it.

Quote from: joshofspam on August 13, 2012, 12:06:43 PM
Quote from: TacticalError on August 13, 2012, 10:24:31 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 13, 2012, 10:10:20 AM...Abel seems to know what he's doing in a fight.

I agree. He was using his morphed backwings very effectively earlier.

I've actually noticed that Abel has a fighting style that is very familiar to what is mentioned about Clan Owona. Could it actually be that Abel might be taking it easy on BOB up to this moment?

Abel certainly wasn't a drop out of the combat courses.

I seem to remember hearing that Abel only took one fighting class, though I don't remember where.  At any rate, he was beaten by Aary (or at least probably Aary), who failed battle tactics (http://missmab.com/Cast/aary.php).
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: maus_merryjest on August 13, 2012, 08:01:54 PM
... I could definitely dig some Gunslinging Jyrras.
But he would need to make an entrance with theme music for that. Something along... this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajMRQnhQ9zU (totally safe for work)
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: joshofspam on August 13, 2012, 08:21:00 PM
Quote from: Infranscia on August 13, 2012, 06:57:49 PM
Quote from: joshofspam on August 13, 2012, 12:06:43 PM
Quote from: TacticalError on August 13, 2012, 10:24:31 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 13, 2012, 10:10:20 AM...Abel seems to know what he's doing in a fight.

I agree. He was using his morphed backwings very effectively earlier.

I've actually noticed that Abel has a fighting style that is very familiar to what is mentioned about Clan Owona. Could it actually be that Abel might be taking it easy on BOB up to this moment?

Abel certainly wasn't a drop out of the combat courses.

I seem to remember hearing that Abel only took one fighting class, though I don't remember where.  At any rate, he was beaten by Aary (or at least probably Aary), who failed battle tactics (http://missmab.com/Cast/aary.php).

That could be a very valid point. Though it could be just as likely that Abel didn't really feel like battling Aary and was just distracting her from trying to read Jyrras's mind again.
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: Ignuus66 on August 13, 2012, 08:38:40 PM
Quote from: Infranscia on August 13, 2012, 06:57:49 PM
Quote from: maus_merryjest on August 13, 2012, 09:42:20 AM... Oh, bother. This might very well be Abel's last stand, especially if Jyrras doesn't call in some of his heavy tech.

It's pretty much been outright said that guns will appear in this chapter (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1265.php).  It's also been very strongly implied that guns have something to do with Jyrras and magic-free material (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1174.php).  I've pretty much been waiting for Jyrras to come in with a pistol since Alexi was sleep-ified, and particularly since the police hung up on Jyrras.  Don't know if any of the police would have guns by now, though I doubt it.
Mab herself said that the guns in circulation would be flintlocks and or revolvers, and not really used in combat, merely as a strange thing. Jyrras is around 2-3 centuries ahead in weapon technology compared to the rest of the world, and I would think that, if taken by surprise his weapons would probably kill even a dragon before it could try to create a counter, but I think that they would devise a magical barrier after gaining intel, which is what I guess the 100% non magic weaponry he may create, and would be the main weapon against creatures would be for.

Quote from: Infranscia on August 13, 2012, 06:57:49 PM
Quote from: joshofspam on August 13, 2012, 12:06:43 PM
Quote from: TacticalError on August 13, 2012, 10:24:31 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 13, 2012, 10:10:20 AM...Abel seems to know what he's doing in a fight.

I agree. He was using his morphed backwings very effectively earlier.

I've actually noticed that Abel has a fighting style that is very familiar to what is mentioned about Clan Owona. Could it actually be that Abel might be taking it easy on BOB up to this moment?

Abel certainly wasn't a drop out of the combat courses.

I seem to remember hearing that Abel only took one fighting class, though I don't remember where.  At any rate, he was beaten by Aary (or at least probably Aary), who failed battle tactics (http://missmab.com/Cast/aary.php).
He was taught in close quarters combat by destinia herself, and he was not trying to fight Aary, but he has beaten Dan in a fistfight, so he is quite adept at fighting.
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: Eboreg on August 13, 2012, 08:41:42 PM
@maus_merryjest: If you believe the pre-canon comics, Jyrras is actually a very good marksman. What I want to see is him taking out Dark Pegasus and Regina with a bolt-action rifle. Also, I would recommend different music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts6wmBizzFM
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: Ignuus66 on August 13, 2012, 08:45:54 PM
Quote from: Eboreg on August 13, 2012, 08:41:42 PM
@maus_merryjest: If you believe the pre-canon comics, Jyrras is actually a very good marksman. What I want to see is him taking out Dark Pegasus and Regina with a bolt-action rifle. Also, I would recommend different music: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ts6wmBizzFM
what, like Simo Häyhä?
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: DavidRokon on August 13, 2012, 11:44:58 PM
Quote from: joshofspam on August 13, 2012, 12:06:43 PM
Quote from: TacticalError on August 13, 2012, 10:24:31 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 13, 2012, 10:10:20 AM
...Abel seems to know what he's doing in a fight.

I agree. He was using his morphed backwings very effectively earlier.

I've actually noticed that Abel has a fighting style that is very familiar to what is mentioned about Clan Owona. Could it actually be that Abel might be taking it easy on BOB up to this moment?

Abel certainly wasn't a drop out of the combat courses.

I think we know where he got his fighting style from.

"You fight like my mom" -Dan
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: AxiLarin on August 14, 2012, 01:26:23 AM
I am personally in awe of this installment.  I'd have to say this is the best installment of DMFA (main or side-story) I've ever seen for numerous reasons.  Aside from the artistic merits and the killer pose at the end, I have loved the flashback over this installment and the previous.  Being able to add another dimension to past storyline feels so rewarding, like "Ah-ha... if we only knew.. this changes everything."
But above that it really hit me emotionally.  When Mab uncorked the revelation (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1035.php) that her friends are in danger and two of them were going to die, I could feel Mab's moment of melancholy.  When Wildy tried to get Dan to stop blaming himself (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1158.php) for the events that led to her mom's death, it honestly made me cry.  This time, I was a bit choked up... and perhaps a bit proud, too.  Up to this point in the skirmish, Abel has been in "what is wrong with you people... why are you picking on me" mode.  And his relationship with Dan has been an interesting mix of reluctant teacher and sparring partner in the torment department.  But when his thoughts went back to the day he left SAIA with Dan... the acknowledgement from Fa'Lina that Dan and, by association, his friends are in grave danger from very powerful, very deadly forces... the realization that he and Dan were both thrown head-first into the Cubi way of life without help from their parents, very ill-prepared, very vulnerable... and Fa'Lina's suggestion that this opportunity could give Abel a chance to find his life's purpose...  It's like watching the birth of Abel 2.0... a noble warrior determined to prevent anyone from learning of Dan's race or whereabouts and to protect his friends from harm, even at risk to his own life.  He could not save Devin or Hennya or protect his mother.  But now with 375 years of training and experience behind him, he can be somebody's savior.

Okay... that was wordy and heavy.  Who's up for some (non-lunar) chocolate cake?  :chef
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: lycaonpictus77 on August 14, 2012, 02:09:02 AM
@AxiLarin: I actually teared up reading that. That is it exactly.
And I for one would love some chocolate cake.
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: Tapewolf on August 14, 2012, 04:16:23 AM
Quote from: AxiLarin on August 14, 2012, 01:26:23 AMIt's like watching the birth of Abel 2.0... a noble warrior determined to prevent anyone from learning of Dan's race or whereabouts and to protect his friends from harm, even at risk to his own life.  He could not save Devin or Hennya or protect his mother.  But now with 375 years of training and experience behind him, he can be somebody's savior.

I like that idea.  It would be awesome to see Abel actually put some of his training to constructive use instead of moping around uselessly as he has done for the past 25 years or so.  Like when Dan suddenly accepted that 'Cubi powers might be useful and not a curse.  Maybe it actually will turn out to be a good birthday for Abel after all.
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: Eboreg on August 14, 2012, 06:01:08 AM
@Ignuus66: Exactly!
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: Nocturne of Night on August 14, 2012, 06:33:17 AM
QuoteYou cant beat [him].... All that will happen is you will lead him to us and kill us all. I have seen this in my minds eye.

This is the quote (and associated music) that came to mind as I read this page. And I daresay that in some other fictional universe, a coin flip is happening simultaneous to our current situation.

Quote from: AxiLarin on August 14, 2012, 01:26:23 AM
It's like watching the birth of Abel 2.0... a noble warrior determined to prevent anyone from learning of Dan's race or whereabouts and to protect his friends from harm, even at risk to his own life.  He could not save Devin or Hennya or protect his mother.  But now with 375 years of training and experience behind him, he can be somebody's savior.

I agree. I think it's finally Abel's time to shine.
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: YawnPB on August 14, 2012, 01:32:08 PM
It feels almost like she is grooming Abel as a successor.  To become whatever you need to be to protect that which matters most. 
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: Sofox on August 14, 2012, 02:04:39 PM
Quote from: Nocturne of Night on August 14, 2012, 06:33:17 AM
I think it's finally Abel's time to shine.

Or he could get horribly killed.



What? I'm just sayin'.
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: TacticalError on August 14, 2012, 02:33:19 PM
Quote from: Sofox on August 14, 2012, 02:04:39 PM
Quote from: Nocturne of Night on August 14, 2012, 06:33:17 AM
I think it's finally Abel's time to shine.

Or he could get horribly killed.
[some line breaks have been removed]
What? I'm just sayin'.

I hate to say it, but Abel seems like the 'died protecting someone else' character. He'll win (or prevent the continuation of) this particular battle, probably.
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: Tapewolf on August 14, 2012, 02:55:16 PM
Quote from: TacticalError on August 14, 2012, 02:33:19 PM
I hate to say it, but Abel seems like the 'died protecting someone else' character.

Think of all the lost merchandising opportunities!
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: Mischa on August 14, 2012, 05:44:29 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 14, 2012, 02:55:16 PM
Think of all the lost merchandising opportunities!

Think of the freedom of no longer having to draw all those spots!  :P
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: justacritic on August 14, 2012, 09:44:30 PM
Quote from: Mischa on August 14, 2012, 05:44:29 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 14, 2012, 02:55:16 PM
Think of all the lost merchandising opportunities!

Think of the freedom of no longer having to draw all those spots!  :P
Or people might be thinking this might be where Amber jumps the shark.
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: Ignuus66 on August 14, 2012, 11:06:09 PM
Yeah, I have to agree with the fact that abel is the type of person that usually get killed. That said I am betting Amber will not kill him just to mess around with us :P
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: Turnsky on August 15, 2012, 02:04:31 AM
Quote from: justacritic on August 14, 2012, 09:44:30 PM
Quote from: Mischa on August 14, 2012, 05:44:29 PM
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 14, 2012, 02:55:16 PM
Think of all the lost merchandising opportunities!

Think of the freedom of no longer having to draw all those spots!  :P
Or people might be thinking this might be where Amber jumps the shark.

well it IS shark week.
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: maus_merryjest on August 15, 2012, 03:01:41 AM
I have to say it since Abel is my favorite character, but it's probably rather likely that he will die in an act of heroism. Remember Fa'Lina's expression when reassuring Mink? That wasn't a "Oh, he'll go through tough times and he'll be alright in the end", that was a very sad expression on her face when she was thinking about Abel.

And, I mean, if Jyrras is supposed to open a can of worms... what better motivation than reacting to the fact the guy your little heart has been doing cartwheels over got murdered?
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: AmigaDragon on August 15, 2012, 04:03:04 AM
Quote from: joshofspam on August 13, 2012, 12:06:43 PM
Abel certainly wasn't a drop out of the combat courses.
Not if he was planning to kill Aniz on his 400th birthday. He'd pay attention in any class he thought would help him with that.
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: Tapewolf on August 15, 2012, 04:20:09 AM
Quote from: maus_merryjest on August 15, 2012, 03:01:41 AM
I have to say it since Abel is my favorite character, but it's probably rather likely that he will die in an act of heroism. Remember Fa'Lina's expression when reassuring Mink? That wasn't a "Oh, he'll go through tough times and he'll be alright in the end", that was a very sad expression on her face when she was thinking about Abel.

I don't think she knows one way or the other.

QuoteAnd, I mean, if Jyrras is supposed to open a can of worms... what better motivation than reacting to the fact the guy your little heart has been doing cartwheels over got murdered?

Well, there's other ways to do that.  If Abel ended up on ice next to Edward, that would have the same net effect. In fact it would be even better since Jyrras would have a concrete goal ("get him back") rather than random carnage.  But if Abel is the key to opening up Jyrras - terminally or otherwise - it would have to be against the dragons.  Simply killing folks like the BOB in a high-tech manner wouldn't amount to anything.

I still think that throwing Abel under the bus would adversely affect Amber's reader count, donations and merch sales too much.  It would be like me killing Daryil.  Heck, at one point it was planned to sell a print version of Abel's Story (notwithstanding that the earlier chapter would need some recolouring) - 'backstory of a dead character' is probably not going to sell much.
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: Lying Foo on August 15, 2012, 05:17:25 AM
Not only is Abel, I get the impression, well ahead of Dan or Mab as the single most popular character, but this is the very day on which he planned for hundreds of years to kill a powerful dude.  Plus Wildy is there, and Jyrras probably has some tricks up his sleeve.  I'm about as worried about Abel being killed here as I was of Dan being killed at the Soulstealer house.
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: Mao on August 15, 2012, 05:40:15 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 15, 2012, 04:20:09 AM
I still think that throwing Abel under the bus would adversely affect Amber's reader count, donations and merch sales too much.  It would be like me killing Daryil.  Heck, at one point it was planned to sell a print version of Abel's Story (notwithstanding that the earlier chapter would need some recolouring) - 'backstory of a dead character' is probably not going to sell much.

I don't think that Mab would change her story just because it would affect reader count, donations and merch sales too much.  A character becoming popular won't change what she has planned for that character a great deal, simply because she has a plan and for that plan to work, some things have to happen.
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: Turnsky on August 15, 2012, 06:12:42 AM
Quote from: Mao on August 15, 2012, 05:40:15 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 15, 2012, 04:20:09 AM
I still think that throwing Abel under the bus would adversely affect Amber's reader count, donations and merch sales too much.  It would be like me killing Daryil.  Heck, at one point it was planned to sell a print version of Abel's Story (notwithstanding that the earlier chapter would need some recolouring) - 'backstory of a dead character' is probably not going to sell much.

I don't think that Mab would change her story just because it would affect reader count, donations and merch sales too much.  A character becoming popular won't change what she has planned for that character a great deal, simply because she has a plan and for that plan to work, some things have to happen.

character death is a natural part of a an evolving story and would lead to the development of other characters as they would have to cope with the traumatic event.

besides, didn't Amber needle you about character deaths a few forum topics ago, Tape?  >:3
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: justacritic on August 15, 2012, 08:59:02 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on August 15, 2012, 06:12:42 AM
Quote from: Mao on August 15, 2012, 05:40:15 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 15, 2012, 04:20:09 AM
I still think that throwing Abel under the bus would adversely affect Amber's reader count, donations and merch sales too much.  It would be like me killing Daryil.  Heck, at one point it was planned to sell a print version of Abel's Story (notwithstanding that the earlier chapter would need some recolouring) - 'backstory of a dead character' is probably not going to sell much.

I don't think that Mab would change her story just because it would affect reader count, donations and merch sales too much.  A character becoming popular won't change what she has planned for that character a great deal, simply because she has a plan and for that plan to work, some things have to happen.

character death is a natural part of a an evolving story and would lead to the development of other characters as they would have to cope with the traumatic event.

besides, didn't Amber needle you about character deaths a few forum topics ago, Tape?  >:3
If Amber decides to go this route, and if Abel is as popular with the fanbase as he is, will Amber one day do a question from the readers thing where the side image is of her being ambushed by the e-mails of a certain spamish degree? Oh to add to the irony they'll be little mini sharks?
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: TacticalError on August 15, 2012, 12:15:19 PM
Quote from: justacritic on August 15, 2012, 08:59:02 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on August 15, 2012, 06:12:42 AM
Quote from: Mao on August 15, 2012, 05:40:15 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 15, 2012, 04:20:09 AM
I still think that throwing Abel under the bus would adversely affect Amber's reader count, donations and merch sales too much.  It would be like me killing Daryil.  Heck, at one point it was planned to sell a print version of Abel's Story (notwithstanding that the earlier chapter would need some recolouring) - 'backstory of a dead character' is probably not going to sell much.

I don't think that Mab would change her story just because it would affect reader count, donations and merch sales too much.  A character becoming popular won't change what she has planned for that character a great deal, simply because she has a plan and for that plan to work, some things have to happen.

character death is a natural part of a an evolving story and would lead to the development of other characters as they would have to cope with the traumatic event.

besides, didn't Amber needle you about character deaths a few forum topics ago, Tape?  >:3
If Amber decides to go this route, and if Abel is as popular with the fanbase as he is, will Amber one day do a question from the readers thing where the side image is of her being ambushed by the e-mails of a certain spamish degree? Oh to add to the irony they'll be little mini sharks?

"Argghh! The angry readers have pointy teeth!"
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: Turnsky on August 15, 2012, 09:36:31 PM
Quote from: justacritic on August 15, 2012, 08:59:02 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on August 15, 2012, 06:12:42 AM
Quote from: Mao on August 15, 2012, 05:40:15 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 15, 2012, 04:20:09 AM
I still think that throwing Abel under the bus would adversely affect Amber's reader count, donations and merch sales too much.  It would be like me killing Daryil.  Heck, at one point it was planned to sell a print version of Abel's Story (notwithstanding that the earlier chapter would need some recolouring) - 'backstory of a dead character' is probably not going to sell much.

I don't think that Mab would change her story just because it would affect reader count, donations and merch sales too much.  A character becoming popular won't change what she has planned for that character a great deal, simply because she has a plan and for that plan to work, some things have to happen.

character death is a natural part of a an evolving story and would lead to the development of other characters as they would have to cope with the traumatic event.

besides, didn't Amber needle you about character deaths a few forum topics ago, Tape?  >:3
If Amber decides to go this route, and if Abel is as popular with the fanbase as he is, will Amber one day do a question from the readers thing where the side image is of her being ambushed by the e-mails of a certain spamish degree? Oh to add to the irony they'll be little mini sharks?

well, ferrets are also known as "carpet sharks"  :B
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: MT Hazard on August 16, 2012, 07:10:36 PM
One thing that strikes me as odd about this comic, Fa'lina told Abel that Dan knows nothing of his powers or heritage, that Dee taught him nothing, yet Abel still flips out when Dan doesn't know about hiding his head wings.
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: Ignuus66 on August 16, 2012, 07:57:04 PM
Quote from: MT Hazard on August 16, 2012, 07:10:36 PM
One thing that strikes me as odd about this comic, Fa'lina told Abel that Dan knows nothing of his powers or heritage, that Dee taught him nothing, yet Abel still flips out when Dan doesn't know about hiding his head wings.
I guess it is mainly due to it being mentioned several times before, and that it probably surprises him that being an adventurer Dan did not know that cubi can shapeshift, something that would be essential for survival against a rouge cubi.
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: e_voyager on August 16, 2012, 11:07:47 PM
add to the fact that he fought ary and she tried to show him shape shifting i can understand Abel getting a bit miffed.  also he could have forgotten
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: Starcat5 on August 17, 2012, 02:59:35 AM
There is a difference between not teaching Dan anything beyond the basics, and not even telling him that he is a Cubi or ANY of the basics. Abel was caught off guard by just how badly Fa'lina was understating the situation.
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: e_voyager on August 17, 2012, 03:19:50 AM
Quote from: Starcat5 on August 17, 2012, 02:59:35 AM
There is a difference between not teaching Dan anything beyond the basics, and not even telling him that he is a Cubi or ANY of the basics. Abel was caught off guard by just how badly Fa'lina was understating the situation.
by ary i meant Aaryanna who was there for months and did try and show Dan many of those things
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: Starcat5 on August 17, 2012, 06:02:56 AM
Quote from: e_voyager on August 17, 2012, 03:19:50 AM
Quote from: Starcat5 on August 17, 2012, 02:59:35 AM
There is a difference between not teaching Dan anything beyond the basics, and not even telling him that he is a Cubi or ANY of the basics. Abel was caught off guard by just how badly Fa'lina was understating the situation.
by ary i meant Aaryanna who was there for months and did try and show Dan many of those things

I was replying to the conversation as a whole, not specifically you. It is also a moot point. The issue at paw was how much knowledge Dee gave Dan. Aary's lessons fell through because a) Dan didn't have the proper underpinnings of knowledge Aary expected to be there, and b) Aary was teaching from an Anti-Being standpoint, which, to Dan, invalidated ANYTHING and EVERYTHING she had to say.
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: e_voyager on August 17, 2012, 09:50:35 PM
okay i get you point. i guess Dan would ignore almost anything that Aaryanna would say to him but did he forget when she was trying to kill him and how she used her wings against him?
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: keybounce on June 19, 2015, 03:28:14 PM
(bump). So I'm catching up after a few years, and actually did a full re-read to make sure I had the context/history right.

So Destania is in hiding, and as mentioned by someone else earlier, she can use Cyra's ability to block things from magical sight.

Destania wants to finish the extermination of the dragons, following right in Cyra's footsteps. She has managed to hide herself, her daughter, and her son. She is trying to make sure that no one can tie Dan to her, to prevent problems.

She sent Dan, or arranged for Dan to be sent, to the academy for protection, and considers Alexsi to be a traitor for dating/siding with a dragon; that it's the Poodle's Dragon means that the Poodle will try to protect them. (Yea, at this point, that's about how much I think Destania still cares about Falina's opinions/views).

The flashback is all about Abel's realization of this. If Abel were to explain that there was another Cubi here, it would mean that Dan would become the focal/flash point. Abel is all about protecting Dan here.

Cyra offs M'Check (the last head Dragon); Hizell offs Crya, and as many of hers as he can. Destania wants to off Hizell. Back and forth.

Ending of the war? Peacefully? Pyroduck and Alexi doesn't seem like an important enough couple to serve as the peaceful union of two warring factions.

EDIT: ... and yea, as mentioned just 40-some pages later, Abel realizes that this is all Destania's doing, to aim a gun at him. Destania even says this was supposed to be a gift of a swift death, to the son of someone that broke her heart.

So, she betrays a dragon lover, and starts the war; has a spat with the cubi she then falls in love with, and wants to kill his son to finish off that clan; and wants to wipe out an entire race, even the ones that Falina will want to protect ... yea, Godess-hood ego? Seriously willing to take on a Clan Leader, even one with no Clan?
Title: Re: 8/13/2012 [DMFA #1330] - The continuing adventures of Flash...
Post by: Tapewolf on June 19, 2015, 04:09:19 PM
Quote from: keybounce on June 19, 2015, 03:28:14 PM
Cyra offs M'Check (the last head Dragon); Hizell offs Crya, and as many of hers as he can. Destania wants to off Hizell. Back and forth.

...

EDIT: ... and yea, as mentioned just 40-some pages later, Abel realizes that this is all Destania's doing, to aim a gun at him. Destania even says this was supposed to be a gift of a swift death, to the son of someone that broke her heart.

So, she betrays a dragon lover, and starts the war; has a spat with the cubi she then falls in love with, and wants to kill his son to finish off that clan; and wants to wipe out an entire race, even the ones that Falina will want to protect ... yea, Godess-hood ego? Seriously willing to take on a Clan Leader, even one with no Clan?

Strictly you're not supposed to revive a thread this old, though I suppose it is relevant to the current page.   Might have been better to have posted it in the current page's thread.

Anyway, I think you may have confused Destania and Cyra here a little.  Both are in hiding, but unless things have changed very rapidly, Cyra is still alive since Dan has spoken to her.
Destania is apparently alive after twice her normal span because Cyra has been keeping her alive to avoid her line dying out, and this may have contributed to her mental instability.
Destania wants to wipe the Dragons off Furrae, and given that the Dragons appear to be restarting the war against the 'Cubi, I can see where she's coming from.
Cyra appears not to be too happy about this if the letter is at all canon.

http://clockworkmansion.com/forum/index.php/topic,8656.msg357302.html#msg357302