Intriguing. Not many candidates for that, though unless there's some other 'Cubi from Lost Lake which we don't know about. I still think that killing people based on the Phoenix Oracles say-so is a really bad idea.
abel is not really 'from' lost lake is he? i would suggest another, but it would not make much sense... so i will because thats what i do
Actually, the Oracle said "Lost Lake," not "Lost Lake Inn." Could be a BIG distinction. And is there only one "Lost Lake?" I'd wager the BoB jumped the gun a bit.
Plus, we only know of four Cubi that could be classified as coming from Lost Lake Inn (aka, calling it home at some point in their lives): Dan, Destania, Aary, and Abel. And none of them makes sense, so ...?
Maybe there's 2 Merlitzs?
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 03, 2012, 06:29:19 AM
Intriguing. Not many candidates for that, though unless there's some other 'Cubi from Lost Lake which we don't know about. I still think that killing people based on the Phoenix Oracles say-so is a really bad idea.
That's because you are a wiener who never kills characters but just brings them back as robots. >3
Quote from: Brunhidden on August 03, 2012, 06:31:11 AM
abel is not really 'from' lost lake is he? i would suggest another, but it would not make much sense... so i will because thats what i do
None of the options really make sense.
Abel isn't from Lost Lake as such, unless his home village was destroyed and Lost Lake was built over it. In any case, he's been nowhere near Merlitz, has no reason to wish him harm and actually wanted to apologise for assaulting him in the Academy.
Aary lived somewhere within walking distance of Lost Lake, and she has a motive, but she seems to have been in the Academy the whole time since they broke up. The only 'Cubi we can really be sure was born in Lost Lake is Dan, and that makes even less sense.
The only other sensible option among the folks we know about is Destania, after that we start getting into crazy talk.
That said, it's entirely plausible that the exit point from SAIA is in the Lost Lake area. It may be dimensionally isolated, but if Matilda's Magical Home shop, and Mab's visit there is anything to go by, such things have to have some kind of anchor point in Furrae itself to work. It could explain why there seems to be a cluster of 'Cubi in the vicinity, and why it was so easy for the rats to get there via the basement.
Quote from: Amber Williams on August 03, 2012, 06:36:49 AM
That's because you are a wiener who never kills characters but just brings them back as robots. >3
Tell that to the assassin in chapter 3.
You know, last I checked Merl and Alikya were plummeting happily off a cliff ( http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1247.php ). If Merlitz is actually dead, who has been running around having crazy adventures?
Quote from: Brunhidden on August 03, 2012, 06:31:11 AM
abel is not really 'from' lost lake is he? i would suggest another, but it would not make much sense... so i will because thats what i do
I have a strange feeling that even when a Phoenix oracle takes the direct approach, it's still pretty vague. I suspect her statement is yet another metaphor; much like how the oracle told Aaryanna that Dan 'ended the life of' Destania, perhaps his breakup with Aaryanna killed Merlitz in much the same way..
Brun is right though; despite being welcomed as part of the inner circle, Dan, and perhaps Destania, indirectly, are the only known 'cubi from Lost Lake..Abel came from Zinvth by way of SAIA.
of course we have not examined the most likely conclusion- yet another random cubi has been added to the cast, or one of the existing cast has been revealed to be a secret cubi
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 03, 2012, 06:44:02 AM
Tell that to the assassin in chapter 3.
You know as much as I that if they don't get a name, they don't have character rights yet. :0
Quote from: D'ymkarra on August 03, 2012, 06:51:59 AM
I have a strange feeling that even when a Phoenix oracle takes the direct approach, it's still pretty vague. I suspect her statement is yet another metaphor; much like how the oracle told Aaryanna that Dan 'ended the life of' Destania, perhaps his breakup with Aaryanna killed Merlitz in much the same way..
Damn it! You bet me to this point! Curse you! *Goes of to SAIA to plot...plots and stuff*
And will people please stop posting new posts before I can post my own? I keep having to check what other have posted before I post my own!
Quote from: D'ymkarra on August 03, 2012, 06:51:59 AM
I have a strange feeling that even when a Phoenix oracle takes the direct approach, it's still pretty vague. I suspect her statement is yet another metaphor; much like how the oracle told Aaryanna that Dan 'killed' Destania, perhaps his breakup with Aaryanna killed Merlitz in much the same way..
That's quite possible. He went off to rediscover himself, so it could be argued that his old life ended. However, that wouldn't explain why his life-stone isn't working, unless Aliyka is magical enough to jam it. That's not impossible - she's powerful enough to go toe-to-toe with a Dragon - but it seems a little unlikely.
Quote from: Amber Williams on August 03, 2012, 06:56:46 AM
You know as much as I that if they don't get a name, they don't have character rights yet. :0
You have no idea how much worse the upcoming chapters would be if I
had gone through with my plan to kill off Dorcan's mother. Her escapades are some of the best parts of the whole story.
Did Destania ever stay at Lost Lake for any amount of time?
For that matter, the Oracle could have meant ANY cubi who stayed at Lost Lake but hasn't been mentioned in story yet. Phoenixes tend to be vague like that...
Quote from: Drakkenmensch on August 03, 2012, 07:12:16 AM
Did Destania ever stay at Lost Lake for any amount of time?
My understanding is that she settled down in Lost Lake (specifically the Lost Lake Inn) when she married Edward, and helped run the inn - at least until both Edward and herself left Lost Lake for reasons unknown at this point.
She was certainly living in the Lost Lake area when Dan first graduated from Adventuring School as seen here (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_933.php).
Alright, so most of the cubi suspects have been listed and the ambiguity of the oracles questioned.
Something else occurs to me: If we're supposing something was going wrong right after Merlitz's disappearance (with his failure to report to the adventures guild) and someone was impersonating him in his adventures with Alyika; then it almost seems a cubi killed him, wrote a fake note (it was out of character to not say goodbye in person, not in the least because it involved quitting his job with Alexsi) and then took is identity (ironcially all during the "Life is Wonderful" arc).
Dear gosh, I have fallen to the fan theorising, there is no hope for me, I am doomed to write obscure and convoluted theories about webcomics for the rest of my mortal existance! DOOOOMED!
Quote from: Plotting on August 03, 2012, 07:41:51 AM
My understanding is that she settled down in Lost Lake (specifically the Lost Lake Inn) when she married Edward, and helped run the inn - at least until both Edward and herself left Lost Lake for reasons unknown at this point.
She was certainly living in the Lost Lake area when Dan first graduated from Adventuring School as seen here (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_933.php).
So something like 18 years...
EDIT:
While rather unlikely, Fa'Lina (or an avatar thereof) has been present at the inn on approximately four occasions within the last three months or something.
Alrighty cubi we know of who have something to do with lost lake: Abel, Dan, Arry (to a certain point) Destinia. None of these really seems like the sort who would kill Merlitz, as Unless he went into twink territories, he would not have anything to do with destinia
the same phoenix who told Aary that Dan killed Destania?
OKAY! time to shoot some arguments...
the oracle can't be confusing one Merlitz for another, she mentions him with his surname and the chances of that happening are astronomically slim.
i happen to 100% agree on the "even when phoenixes give the direct approach they're still vague" as seen with Aary's visit.
now here's a thought... SAIA has hards to prevent detection and things, I.E. powerful magic, and i REALLY doubt those Adventurer Stones don't pop on and off, so it could be entirely possible that his visit to SAIA turned it off and it just never poped back on. of course he could have been taken and held much like i suspect Dan's Father is. i'm willing to bet Edward's stone is out too even though he's (apparently) still alive.
as for the "cubi killing then impersonating Merlitz after the visit from SAIA" theory i saw up there? i'm willing to bet that is REALLY not the case, and sounds like something i'd read in the Tinfoil-Hat subforum... no offense...
i also agree with the person who said that the oracle didn't say Lost Lake INN, but rather Lost Lake... meaning that anyone from the surrounding area could be the culprit.
now... not to sound mean to Merlitz, but all in all, we (and Mab) KNOW that 2 characters are supposed to die. 2 MAIN characters. with Merlitz already disappearing for so long plot-wise most of us are used to him being gone, so i'd kinda prefer if he was one of the two... almost all these theories hinge on the assumption that "oh he can't be dead, he's a main character and all blah blah blah" even when we know 2 mains are GOING to die. my money is on that he IS dead, but the oracle was too vague as to who the culprit is... such as, cubi (Aary) causes Merl to leave, and he ends up getting killed... (i think we can take Abel out of the running for the "Cubi from Lost lake" as Merlitz pretty much left as SOON as he got there. he didn't have time to be "from" lost lake, he sould be described as "from" SAIA at that point still.
if you think about it, i can draw a few paralells between Mab and Fa'Llina as to their roles. Mab is pretty much semi-omnipotent and has huge plans she's not sharing and keeps an eye on everything at Lost Lake. Merlitz basically left her sphere of protection, and so i suspect that like Fa'Llina with Abel, her ability to protect Merlitz has severely diminished with him being gone from Lost Lake so long.
well it makes sense that way to me anyways... but my theories about the plotline have been wrong every time (though they make damn good sense) but Amber seems to have a completely different way of thinking than me and it's always taken in a different direction i never saw was there. so take my theory with a grain of salt because i have yet to be right on one of these things XD (but then again, i havn't seen a fan-theory yet that turned out correct plot-wise if i didn't know better i'd almost say Amber reads all of these and goes "HA! i'll make you all wrong and take it in a direction you havn't theorized about!")
Well, the culprit is obvious! It's a dead cubi who came back as a robot. :B
I like the idea that 'Merlitz' left because the real one was killed and a Cubi spy took his place. That sounds delightfully plot-twisty, and in-keeping with Cubi methodology.
I also like the idea that Destania killed him as part of her plans, thus setting up a show-down to-the-death battle between Dan and his estranged mother. Instant angst and anguish! *which Charline can feed upon* >:3
Phoenixes, if I ever consult one, I'm not going to ask for a prophecy but a full on forensic report, let's see some vagueness there!
Quote from: Turnsky on August 03, 2012, 08:57:20 AM
the same phoenix who told Aary that Dan killed Destania?
She told her "the life of Destania has ended." It turned out there was a huge difference.
There's no similar way to interpret "killed," unless one of the Cubi from Lost Lake got him killed. That was my initial thought - that Dan or Abel had somehow gotten him killed - but since neither of them seem to have seen him for quite some time, it occurred to me Destania was a more likely culprit, and given her personality, it seems more likely she just out-and-out killed him. No, I think the vagueness here is in sending them on a wild goose chase when they should be in Twink Territories.
Quote from: KiloFoxx on August 03, 2012, 09:05:44 AM
now here's a thought... SAIA has hards to prevent detection and things, I.E. powerful magic, and i REALLY doubt those Adventurer Stones don't pop on and off, so it could be entirely possible that his visit to SAIA turned it off and it just never poped back on. of course he could have been taken and held much like i suspect Dan's Father is. i'm willing to bet Edward's stone is out too even though he's (apparently) still alive.
There is precedent for this - Fi entering Matilda's dimensional sword broke its link to Fa'Lina. An interesting question is whether Dan has a stone, and if so, whether he's dead.
Quote from: Lying Foo on August 03, 2012, 09:44:31 AM
There's no similar way to interpret "killed," unless one of the Cubi from Lost Lake got him killed. That was my initial thought - that Dan or Abel had somehow gotten him killed
By that token you could also argue that Nitemyst killed him (and I'd have loved to see their faces if they were told that).
An interesting question is whether what the Phoenix said is true at all. I mean, the BOB are assuming that because the Phoenix has replied clearly that it's true. It might be that the Oracles just make stuff up when they're off-duty with no basis in fact at all. Though that would be a bit of a cop-out.
Quote from: Lying Foo on August 03, 2012, 09:44:31 AM
Quote from: Turnsky on August 03, 2012, 08:57:20 AM
the same phoenix who told Aary that Dan killed Destania?
She told her "the life of Destania has ended." It turned out there was a huge difference.
There's no similar way to interpret "killed," unless one of the Cubi from Lost Lake got him killed. That was my initial thought - that Dan or Abel had somehow gotten him killed - but since neither of them seem to have seen him for quite some time, it occurred to me Destania was a more likely culprit, and given her personality, it seems more likely she just out-and-out killed him. No, I think the vagueness here is in sending them on a wild goose chase when they should be in Twink Territories.
http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_295.php
...what's your point?
Quote from: Lying Foo on August 03, 2012, 10:15:43 AM
...what's your point?
the phrase "life ended at the hands of" typically implies killed. nothing ambiguous about that, and typically along the same lines as the current page's flashback.
it doesn't help that Dan was named -specifically- in that page, and a 'cubi' was flung out there in the latest. so very specific, as is the location.
that and when not coming up with obscure and silly riddles involving toothpaste or somesuch, phoenix oracles aren't reliable at all.
that as far as i can recall means either Dan or his mother. then again i guess there can be others who kept there cubi status hidden.
so have we reached the point that the statement 'cubi from lost lake has killed mer' has been disected that we are questioning the cubi part, questioning the 'from lost lake', questioned the accuracy of the name of the alleged corpse, and now questioning the definition of 'killed'
par for course?
Nobody has mentioned the possibility that it was a cubi (possibly Aniz) who was disguised as a Phoenix Oracle.
Somewhere, Amber is chuckling (and probably giggling) at the same time.
Quote from: Turnsky on August 03, 2012, 10:28:26 AM
Quote from: Lying Foo on August 03, 2012, 10:15:43 AM
...what's your point?
the phrase "life ended at the hands of" typically implies killed. nothing ambiguous about that, and typically along the same lines as the current page's flashback.
it doesn't help that Dan was named -specifically- in that page, and a 'cubi' was flung out there in the latest. so very specific, as is the location.
that and when not coming up with obscure and silly riddles involving toothpaste or somesuch, phoenix oracles aren't reliable at all.
"The life of Destania has ended." You demonstrated that she said exactly what I said she said in the post you quoted, and as I just there said, it was ambiguous in just the way the statement in this strip isn't. She did not say "Destania was killed by Daniel Ti'fona," because she wasn't. She didn't even say "Destania's life," but "the life of Destania," that is, Dee's life as Destania. That's the measure of the phoenix oracles' unreliability.
Merlitz is dead, or has been killed and revived somehow. There's not the same wiggle room.
Not really. "Killed" "Murdered" "Life ended at the hands of" are all as specific or ambiguous as the author wants them to be. Have you ever watched Star Wars? Where Obi-Wan explicitly said to Luke that Darth Vader "betrayed and murdered your father"? It's all true from a certain point of view.
Quote from: Amber Williams on August 03, 2012, 06:36:49 AM
That's because you are a wiener who never kills characters but just brings them back as robots. >3
Some people recognize that there are other ways to cause drama besides killing off characters. :P
Okay, first time poster here. Not gonna be nervous, just gonna say it... What if the Cubi in question helped Merlitz fake his own death? I mean using magic to block him from the stone and other magic might look like him getting zapped out of existence to the third eye of a creature using magic oracle powers to take a look see. Just a thought...
I guess everyone has already said the likely suspects.
It seems to me though that most of them either left on a good note or just didn't really care enough to kill him.
The only one that comes to mind that could get motivated and have the time to do it would be Destania. If we judge from previous history, Merlitz had a habit of getting in over his head and just barely getting out of it.
Seeing as I'm guessing he never really meet Dan's and Alexsi's mom, he'd probably respond default to the situation at hand. Considering what she's up to right now, she'd probably be less pleased if they met.
Though another idea of what's going on does come to mind. Just how good are those patches and how well can they imitate the phoenix race?
Let it be said that I've read too many "Rowan of Rin" books to take a prophecy at face value. Hell, for all we know, Aary unintentionally drove him to suicide.
:gun1
Quote from: Lying Foo on August 03, 2012, 11:18:16 AM
"The life of Destania has ended." You demonstrated that she said exactly what I said she said in the post you quoted, and as I just there said, it was ambiguous in just the way the statement in this strip isn't. She did not say "Destania was killed by Daniel Ti'fona," because she wasn't. She didn't even say "Destania's life," but "the life of Destania," that is, Dee's life as Destania. That's the measure of the phoenix oracles' unreliability. Merlitz is dead, or has been killed and revived somehow. There's not the same wiggle room.
first off, Settle down, 'Foo. </MrT> :P
you really don't wanna get too uppity with me, it's not a good look for anyone involved.
Second, "The Life of has ended at the hands on Daniel Ti'Fiona" seems pretty straightforward to me. which is precisely how Aary took it then.
Which leads us to the now, where the oracle just offhandedly says "Merlitz was killed by a Cubi at lost lake".
The blunt object brigade went to lost lake, under this premise to smack down the first cubi they could find.
Three Cubi have frequented Lost Lake, Dan, Abel, and of course, Aary. who broke his heart.
now if you want to take the less straightforward route, you could state that "killed" means that when Aary dumped merlitz, that killed him somewhat emotionally, and thus he went out to seek adventuring elsewhere, where he could've gotten killed by something else.
Had Aary not dumped him, he may not have been "killed" in this sense, ergo: Killed by a Cubi at lost lake.
Or when Abel impersonated Merlitz back a few arcs ago, when he changed back, boom, no more "merlitz".
Again, "Killed".
Whoooooo, round and round she goes, where she stops, nobody knows... :B
Quote from: Turnsky on August 03, 2012, 12:34:17 PM
now if you want to take the less straightforward route, you could state that "killed" means that when Aary dumped merlitz, that killed him somewhat emotionally, and thus he went out to seek adventuring elsewhere, where he could've gotten killed by something else.
Had Aary not dumped him, he may not have been "killed" in this sense, ergo: Killed by a Cubi at lost lake.
Or when Abel impersonated Merlitz back a few arcs ago, when he changed back, boom, no more "merlitz".
Again, "Killed".
Whoooooo, round and round she goes, where she stops, nobody knows... :B
Actually the indirect action approach is rather interesting idea to approach it.
It offsets the need for a looking for intention and time necesarry needed to link one of the cubi from the lost lake inn to Merlitz murder.
In fact, what if he bumped into the assassins and they figured out he had close cubi connections or if the assassins might be looking for a certain cubi in particular. Think along those lines, just about any cubi at lost lake inn could be responsible for Merlitz death.
Quote from: joshofspam on August 03, 2012, 12:46:49 PM
Quote from: Turnsky on August 03, 2012, 12:34:17 PM
now if you want to take the less straightforward route, you could state that "killed" means that when Aary dumped merlitz, that killed him somewhat emotionally, and thus he went out to seek adventuring elsewhere, where he could've gotten killed by something else.
Had Aary not dumped him, he may not have been "killed" in this sense, ergo: Killed by a Cubi at lost lake.
Or when Abel impersonated Merlitz back a few arcs ago, when he changed back, boom, no more "merlitz".
Again, "Killed".
Whoooooo, round and round she goes, where she stops, nobody knows... :B
Actually the indirect action approach is rather interesting idea to approach it.
It offsets the need for a looking for intention and time necesarry needed to link one of the cubi from the lost lake inn to Merlitz murder.
In fact, what if he bumped into the assassins and they figured out he had close cubi connections or if the assassins might be looking for a certain cubi in particular. Think along those lines, just about any cubi at lost lake inn could be responsible for Merlitz death.
indeed. Merlitz could've been killed in a toast related accident, since aary had a thing for toast.. you get the picture. :P
i wonder where the stone comes into play myself. it can be blocked by strong magic true but how often do they check such things?
Heh. I had the feeling it had to be a Phoenix oracle. Same thing happened when Aary went asking about Destania. Odds are Merlitz isn't really dead after all.
@Gabi I wouldn't count on it. That would be bad storytelling. Besides, he wasn't really taking part in the story anyway and this would be a good way to bring him back in.
:gun1
he could be dead or undead who knows at this point
Quote from: Turnsky on August 03, 2012, 12:34:17 PM
now if you want to take the less straightforward route, you could state that "killed" means that when Aary dumped merlitz, that killed him somewhat emotionally, and thus he went out to seek adventuring elsewhere, where he could've gotten killed by something else.
Had Aary not dumped him, he may not have been "killed" in this sense, ergo: Killed by a Cubi at lost lake.
Or when Abel impersonated Merlitz back a few arcs ago, when he changed back, boom, no more "merlitz".
Again, "Killed".
Whoooooo, round and round she goes, where she stops, nobody knows... :B
All of these would make Old Ben balk, and
he did use the direct word "murdered" for a metaphorical death, a stretch of the truth already utterly incomparable to the riddle from Chapter 14. Again, it is very possible that Dan, Abel, or Dee (probably not Aary, who's never lived or worked at Lost Lake) somehow unwittingly killed him, but that's still killing him, and he's still dead, and it's been a long time since he interacted with Dan or Abel. It's possible that Dee faked his death, but even that's stretching it a bit beyond the last time.
I still think it's most likely Dee killed him. If that's not vague enough for you, remember, they "knew" Alexsi was a succubus, and, between Dan's absence and Dee's doctored papers (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1194.php), are quite likely to waste plenty of time on Abel, Dan, and possibly Aary before they even hear the name "Destania."
Okay all this crazy theorising (my own included) is doing my head in. Someone once told me that while the answer may be complicated, often it's actually very simple.
So let's answer these questions in the simplest way possible:
Melitz is most likely dead because evidence points that way and any alternative is more convoluted. We've got a fairly direct answer that it was killed by a cubi and undermining that statement leads to a lot of gramatical confusion. We know he was adventuring at the time, and so, the simple answer is that the cubi that killed him was one he was either trying to defeat, stop or ran afoul of in the course of his quest.
As for which Cubi, the simple answer is Destania. She's the only "cubi from the Lost Lake" that we haven't been keeping tabs on and it certainly seems within her personality to commit murder. She's also "at large" so an adventurer running into her is quite possible.
Just to discount Aary, she's technically not "from" Lost Lake, she left Merlitz on good terms and has been seen happy at the Academy.
So yeah: Simple answer is Destania killed Merlitz likely not knowing he was a friend of her son or her cherished student's ex-boyfriend.
Quote from: Eboreg on August 03, 2012, 01:43:19 PM
@Gabi I wouldn't count on it. That would be bad storytelling. Besides, he wasn't really taking part in the story anyway and this would be a good way to bring him back in.
:gun1
Why would that be bad storytelling?
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 03, 2012, 10:03:20 AM
Quote from: KiloFoxx on August 03, 2012, 09:05:44 AM
now here's a thought... SAIA has hards to prevent detection and things, I.E. powerful magic, and i REALLY doubt those Adventurer Stones don't pop on and off, so it could be entirely possible that his visit to SAIA turned it off and it just never poped back on. of course he could have been taken and held much like i suspect Dan's Father is. i'm willing to bet Edward's stone is out too even though he's (apparently) still alive.
There is precedent for this - Fi entering Matilda's dimensional sword broke its link to Fa'Lina. An interesting question is whether Dan has a stone, and if so, whether he's dead.
that is almost EXACTLY what i based my hypothesis on. especially seeing as Fa'Llina didn't regain her link with Fi once he re-appeared (which i guess has a CHANCE of being because she replaced him but i think it not being automatic is more likely) and so i's logically assume that the stones would function a similar way and have to be re-activiated once they pop off due to the magic-scenario. as Nitemyst stated, Merlitz never reported to the Guild, so he likely never reactivated the stone after the SAIA arc.
regardless of the logic i can pull out of the air to explain him still being alive though, my money's still on him being dead. and it's not just Occam's Razor here (though that does play a part...)
i dunno though... ever since the strip where Mab stated that 2 of her friends will die i've been thinking as to which 2 i'd RATHER see leave so that the others stay... and Merlitz was one of the two. of course, she also stated that she's given 4 of the 5 a boon, with still one left to give. i REALLY wanna know what the boons she gave were, who she has left to give to, and what it'll be.
A thing with pheonix oracles is that while they can sometimes (IE: often) be ambiguous or vague, they never flat out lie. Part of their whole purpose is they never try to give folks a straight answer because they believe it should be up to the individual to figure things out for themselves. But as part of their nature they will never give deliberately false information. Which is why they are often called on for information since while it sometimes means having to decipher their message, it will always be have truth behind it.
It's not uncommon for adventurers to go missing or bodies to not be found, hence why there was a system set up. The pheonix oracles are usually used once someone is uncertain because they are guaranteed to know the difference between "the person cannot be found" and "the person is dead." and those who interact with oracles enough are fairly capable of deciphering the difference. It's kind of like those video-game tips that you can visit when you are stumped on when to proceed next.
As for Fi's link with Fa'Lina, the reason there was no regain was because since Fa'Lina thought Fi was dead, she stopped investing power into Fi and also stopped looking for Fi. The stones do not require re-activation otherwise they'd be the crappiest system set up ever in a world where so many creatures and magical happenstances happen.
I should also mention that what a Fae considered a friend can also be very different from what you and I consider a friend. Mab can quite certainly be friendly with most folks she meets, but in order for her to truly consider someone a friend she would have offered them a boon.
Quote from: Naldru on August 03, 2012, 11:15:01 AM
Nobody has mentioned the possibility that it was a cubi (possibly Aniz) who was disguised as a Phoenix Oracle.
Somewhere, Amber is chuckling (and probably giggling) at the same time.
But Aniz has been dead for about twenty years. Quintinga and Edward killed him and Quintinga was killed in that fight.
I highly doubt Merlitz even knew Aniz.
At least twenty-five years, surely, unless the story of Edward, Quintinga, and Destania is far more interesting than we thought.
Quote from: Lying Foo on August 03, 2012, 05:38:07 PM
At least twenty-five years, surely, unless the story of Edward, Quintinga, and Destania is far more interesting than we thought.
Please dont move this thread into the tinfoil hat tearooms again by bringing that topic up again :rolleyes
I have a feeling this thread is headed there no matter how on-topic we remain.
Quote from: Amber Williams on August 03, 2012, 04:15:38 PMI should also mention that what a Fae considered a friend can also be very different from what you and I consider a friend. Mab can quite certainly be friendly with most folks she meets, but in order for her to truly consider someone a friend she would have offered them a boon.
Funnily enough, I was just thinking about that...
We know that when Jyrras
wasted used his boon Mab's antenna went crazy and she acted like she'd received a sudden shock. Another time when something like that happened to Mab was here (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_222.php), just when Merlitz is in a desperate situation and seems to look like he's wishing for something else to happen.
Is this Merlitz using his boon?
Quote from: Naldru on August 03, 2012, 11:15:01 AM
Nobody has mentioned the possibility that it was a cubi (possibly Aniz) who was disguised as a Phoenix Oracle.
This is close to my original thought, which is that someone--not necessarily a cubi--was impersonating an oracle. I find the lunch break excuse dubious, as we've seen oracles remaining cryptic and metaphorical under duress before; they didn't even give Pyroduck straight answers when they were raising him.
I'm not discounting the possibility that Merlitz is really and truly dead at the hands of some cubi. However, if I were to pick a "Merlitz isn't dead" theory, it would be that someone--mostly likely the serial cubi-killer, or someone involved with them--used transformation magic to disguise themselves as an oracle to send the BOB (or whichever adventurers showed up) out to kill a cubi relatively close to the previous kills. This could offer a couple of advantages. One, if the killer is systematically eliminating cubi, this is just an underhanded way of subcontracting part of it. Two, the BOB would act as a diversion at least, and a scapegoat at best.
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Quote from: Amber Williams on August 03, 2012, 04:15:38 PMI should also mention that what a Fae considered a friend can also be very different from what you and I consider a friend. Mab can quite certainly be friendly with most folks she meets, but in order for her to truly consider someone a friend she would have offered them a boon.
Funnily enough, I was just thinking about that...
Is this Merlitz using his boon?
What I got from that post was that Merlitz wasn't deep enough in Mab's 'inner circle' of friends to have been given such. And thus even if Merlitz is dead he wouldn't be counted as one of her friends that will die.
And of course, we forget the most important equivalent nature of things...
Namely that 'death' can also mean 'change' in some cultures. Swap out death/change and certain things become a lot more interesting as far as quotes...
Obviously Jyrras is one of the five... probably Dan... if Amber means to hint that Merlitz wasn't among them, that only leaves Alexsi and Wildy, so either Pip counts, or... um... Lorenda? That or one of the rats is poised for a comeback... or I'm thinking it's more likely that's reading much too deeply, and it's just hypothetical.
If so, then I'm going to guess yes, saving him from Aary was the boon. Which is I guess actually a bit creepy when you look at it from her perspective, but that probably doesn't bear too much thought. So two more - there's a pretty obvious point at which Dan likely got his, but when the fourth might have been, or even whether it was Alexsi's or Wildy's, is anyone's guess.
Quote from: Nino on August 04, 2012, 01:26:58 AM
Quote from: Sofox on August 03, 2012, 08:06:28 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on August 03, 2012, 04:15:38 PMI should also mention that what a Fae considered a friend can also be very different from what you and I consider a friend. Mab can quite certainly be friendly with most folks she meets, but in order for her to truly consider someone a friend she would have offered them a boon.
Funnily enough, I was just thinking about that...
Is this Merlitz using his boon?
What I got from that post was that Merlitz wasn't deep enough in Mab's 'inner circle' of friends to have been given such. And thus even if Merlitz is dead he wouldn't be counted as one of her friends that will die.
It seems to me that the wording is important when asking for a boon--when Jyrras asked for his bangles to be removed he told Mab it would mean the world to him, and Albanion's use of "magic words" when asking about her reasons for coming to him seems to imply that with boons, it's all in the way one asks.
I was under the impression that Mab's reaction to Merlitz's panic was some sort of "the guy I'm into is about to be unavailable" feeling, rather than a magical compulsion to grant him a boon.
Quote from: Lying Foo on August 04, 2012, 02:01:14 AM
Obviously Jyrras is one of the five... probably Dan... if Amber means to hint that Merlitz wasn't among them, that only leaves Alexsi and Wildy, so either Pip counts, or... um... Lorenda? That or one of the rats is poised for a comeback... or I'm thinking it's more likely that's reading much too deeply, and it's just hypothetical.
If so, then I'm going to guess yes, saving him from Aary was the boon. Which is I guess actually a bit creepy when you look at it from her perspective, but that probably doesn't bear too much thought. So two more - there's a pretty obvious point at which Dan likely got his, but when the fourth might have been, or even whether it was Alexsi's or Wildy's, is anyone's guess.
Well, for one thing, we don't know whether Mab meant Lost Lake when she said "When I first arrived here (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1035.php)", or the dimension/world itself. If the latter, than that means others may qualify:
1. Fa'lina, who has said she and Mab were old/new friends.
2. Pip, who she could have met when she arrived in the world. After all, Fae don't tend to have drakes regularly as far as I could tell. And most drakes don't talk... so perhaps this was Mab's boon to him.
3. Pyroduck, who she could have either met at Lost Lake or earlier, through Fa'lina.
4. Lorenda... though I doubt this one too, since she seemed to meet Mab for sure later on and I don't know how much bonding they've really done.
So mostly for sure is 1. Dan, 2. Jyrras, 3. Wildy, 4. Alexsi (though 3 & 4 are somewhat debatable as well). But if Mab just means since her time in Furrae, there could be others who qualify too.
BUT I am almost 100% sure Fa'lina is definitely one of those people, especially since I feel like she'll be one of the two who Mab will lose because of foreshadowing in the comic. Perhaps even the creation of SAIA had to do with Mab's boon.
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Quote from: Lying Foo on August 03, 2012, 05:38:07 PM
At least twenty-five years, surely, unless the story of Edward, Quintinga, and Destania is far more interesting than we thought.
Please dont move this thread into the tinfoil hat tearooms again by bringing that topic up again :rolleyes
it's the forum's very own version of Godwin's law.. :<
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Quote from: Lying Foo on August 03, 2012, 05:38:07 PM
At least twenty-five years, surely, unless the story of Edward, Quintinga, and Destania is far more interesting than we thought.
Please dont move this thread into the tinfoil hat tearooms again by bringing that topic up again :rolleyes
it's the forum's very own version of Godwin's law.. :<
"We're about to get shunted to the Tinfoil Hat Tearooms! Debate over!"
I'm torn between shrieking in laughter at the punchline and weeping at the loss of one of the oldest characters. Damn, Merlitz. Assuming that he is dead, that's... one out of two of Mab's friends that were definitively going to die.
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Rest well, sweet prince.
Quote from: Nino on August 04, 2012, 03:26:25 AM
Quote from: Lying Foo on August 04, 2012, 02:01:14 AM
Obviously Jyrras is one of the five... probably Dan... if Amber means to hint that Merlitz wasn't among them, that only leaves Alexsi and Wildy, so either Pip counts, or... um... Lorenda? That or one of the rats is poised for a comeback... or I'm thinking it's more likely that's reading much too deeply, and it's just hypothetical.
If so, then I'm going to guess yes, saving him from Aary was the boon. Which is I guess actually a bit creepy when you look at it from her perspective, but that probably doesn't bear too much thought. So two more - there's a pretty obvious point at which Dan likely got his, but when the fourth might have been, or even whether it was Alexsi's or Wildy's, is anyone's guess.
Well, for one thing, we don't know whether Mab meant Lost Lake when she said "When I first arrived here (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1035.php)", or the dimension/world itself. If the latter, than that means others may qualify:
1. Fa'lina, who has said she and Mab were old/new friends.
2. Pip, who she could have met when she arrived in the world. After all, Fae don't tend to have drakes regularly as far as I could tell. And most drakes don't talk... so perhaps this was Mab's boon to him.
3. Pyroduck, who she could have either met at Lost Lake or earlier, through Fa'lina.
4. Lorenda... though I doubt this one too, since she seemed to meet Mab for sure later on and I don't know how much bonding they've really done.
So mostly for sure is 1. Dan, 2. Jyrras, 3. Wildy, 4. Alexsi (though 3 & 4 are somewhat debatable as well). But if Mab just means since her time in Furrae, there could be others who qualify too.
BUT I am almost 100% sure Fa'lina is definitely one of those people, especially since I feel like she'll be one of the two who Mab will lose because of foreshadowing in the comic. Perhaps even the creation of SAIA had to do with Mab's boon.
i don't think Pyroduck and Lorenda count amongst her close friends, but Pip and Fa'Llina make PERFECT sense... i think i had thought of Pip at the time, but just forgot about it until now... but i had never even CONSIDERED Fa'Llina until you mentioned it and it makes PERFECT sense...
on that note, it does make sense from the Mab/Albanion conversation about Jyrras' bangles that the wording DOES matter, so i don't think that antennae-reaction with Merlitz counts XD THOUGH i do think Merlitz counts among her 5 friends. which would be entirely supported by her crush on him. (which we may never know continued after his breakup with Aary since he disappeared right after)
and i found the post describing the "edward, destinia, quintiga, aniz" thing being DMFA's "goodwin's law" to be absolutely hilarious. though i have yet to se the ACTUAL law implememnted in the forums yet
Quote from: Amber Williams on August 03, 2012, 04:15:38 PM
A thing with pheonix oracles is that...
Slight oopsie with the spelling there. Also in the strip.
I was going to comment on the Phoenix Oracles and didn't know the spelling myself -- so I Googled for it, then noticed the letter transposition in the strip. It's correct in the Demonology page, though.
Quote from: Farry on August 04, 2012, 12:43:40 PM
Quote from: Amber Williams on August 03, 2012, 04:15:38 PM
A thing with pheonix oracles is that...
Slight oopsie with the spelling there. Also in the strip.
I was going to comment on the Phoenix Oracles and didn't know the spelling myself -- so I Googled for it, then noticed the letter transposition in the strip. It's correct in the Demonology page, though.
I think it would be best to PM Amber about it, rather than post it here. She may not see the post among all the others, and if she does see it and fixes it, then the post becomes outdated.
Quote from: KiloFoxx on August 04, 2012, 11:05:03 AM
i don't think Pyroduck and Lorenda count amongst her close friends, but Pip and Fa'Llina make PERFECT sense... i think i had thought of Pip at the time, but just forgot about it until now... but i had never even CONSIDERED Fa'Llina until you mentioned it and it makes PERFECT sense...
Regardless of who the others are, though, it seems strange that she would hold Jyrras worthy of a boon and not her darling Merlitz... but I suppose it's entirely possible the other three are Dan, Pip, and Fa'lina (which would also mean that, of course, two will die... in a decade or six). In that case, if you're right about Pip's boon being his intelligence, Dan's was saving him from Regina (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_999.php), and Merlitz's was saving him from Aaryana (or possibly breaking up Dan and Aaryana (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_293.php)), then the one that remains would be... Fa'lina...
Hoo boy.
Quote from: Lying Foo on August 04, 2012, 02:57:54 PM
Quote from: KiloFoxx on August 04, 2012, 11:05:03 AM
i don't think Pyroduck and Lorenda count amongst her close friends, but Pip and Fa'Llina make PERFECT sense... i think i had thought of Pip at the time, but just forgot about it until now... but i had never even CONSIDERED Fa'Llina until you mentioned it and it makes PERFECT sense...
Regardless of who the others are, though, it seems strange that she would hold Jyrras worthy of a boon and not her darling Merlitz... but I suppose it's entirely possible the other three are Dan, Pip, and Fa'lina. In that case, if you're right about Pip's boon being his intelligence, Dan's was saving him from Regina (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_999.php), and Merlitz's was saving him from Aaryana, then the one that remains would be... Fa'lina...
Hoo boy.
Oooooh, I had forgotten about her saving Dan! That is actually perfect for boonhood.
Quote from: Lying Foo on August 04, 2012, 02:57:54 PM
Quote from: KiloFoxx on August 04, 2012, 11:05:03 AM
i don't think Pyroduck and Lorenda count amongst her close friends, but Pip and Fa'Llina make PERFECT sense... i think i had thought of Pip at the time, but just forgot about it until now... but i had never even CONSIDERED Fa'Llina until you mentioned it and it makes PERFECT sense...
Regardless of who the others are, though, it seems strange that she would hold Jyrras worthy of a boon and not her darling Merlitz... but I suppose it's entirely possible the other three are Dan, Pip, and Fa'lina (which would also mean that, of course, two will die... in a decade or six). In that case, if you're right about Pip's boon being his intelligence, Dan's was saving him from Regina (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_999.php), and Merlitz's was saving him from Aaryana (or possibly breaking up Dan and Aaryana (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_293.php)), then the one that remains would be... Fa'lina...
Hoo boy.
Is Mab's crush on Merlitz actually considered canon though? I guess I felt like it became a little out of character so it seemed like one of those early strip things... especially since it literally never came up again in the later comics.
Regardless, I agree that Merl could have been one of the five, but it seemed like Amber was saying that about the boons in response to the theories about him being one of the two friends she'd lose, so I still have to err on the side of him not being one of them.
I also assumed that Dan was the one who hadn't used his boon yet, since the strip cuts right to him after Mab mentions that point, but I know that doesn't make that for sure (and that Fa'Lina might have used her boon in the creation of SAIA, since if tri-wings really had that kind of power then you'd probably see many other pocket dimensions popping up - it seems like something you might need some fae magic for. But it could also have been that Fa'Lina is particularly crafty and found a way to do it that other tri-wings had missed - or that it requires some sort of price that makes it so unappealing that nobody else would do it).
Fa'Lina definitely does fit into the category of 'people ('/furries') who have the power to change their world' that Mab had given. Jyrras of course does as well - he's probably the one who can destroy it. Merlitz? Ehhh.... maybe not so much.
Quote from: Nino on August 04, 2012, 03:54:45 PM
...(and that Fa'Lina might have used her boon in the creation of SAIA, since if tri-wings really had that kind of power then you'd probably see many other pocket dimensions popping up - it seems like something you might need some fae magic for. But it could also have been that Fa'Lina is particularly crafty and found a way to do it that other tri-wings had missed - or that it requires some sort of price that makes it so unappealing that nobody else would do it).
I always thought SAIA was kind of under some sort of teleport and cloaking spell- so maps show that SAIA was somewhere in this ridiculously large radius, but it could be anywhere in it at any given time and it would be invisible unless you walked into it. And there'd probably be a barrier around it or something as well. Can Warp-Aci even teleport between dimensions once summoned anyway?
Quote from: Nino on August 04, 2012, 03:54:45 PM
I also assumed that Dan was the one who hadn't used his boon yet, since the strip cuts right to him after Mab mentions that point, but I know that doesn't make that for sure (and that Fa'Lina might have used her boon in the creation of SAIA, since if tri-wings really had that kind of power then you'd probably see many other pocket dimensions popping up - it seems like something you might need some fae magic for. But it could also have been that Fa'Lina is particularly crafty and found a way to do it that other tri-wings had missed - or that it requires some sort of price that makes it so unappealing that nobody else would do it).
Pocket dimensions may not be quite that hard, Matilda seems to sell them, and I think Abel has made a couple (e.g. the mirror, his sword trick). But that aside, I do believe that the creation of SAIA - or some key aspect of it - was Mab's boon. And it absolutely has changed the world, at least for the 'Cubi.
Quote from: TacticalError on August 04, 2012, 04:56:38 PM
I always thought SAIA was kind of under some sort of teleport and cloaking spell- so maps show that SAIA was somewhere in this ridiculously large radius, but it could be anywhere in it at any given time and it would be invisible unless you walked into it. And there'd probably be a barrier around it or something as well. Can Warp-Aci even teleport between dimensions once summoned anyway?
You mean like Hogwarts ;) Just kidding. But seriously, here (http://www.missmab.com/Demo/Leader12.php) is where it says it's tucked away in a small plane of existence. I think it was called a pocket dimension elsewhere, maybe around the time it was explained how Warp-Aci work, but I'm pretty sure the two phrases are interchangeable anyway.
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 04, 2012, 05:06:29 PMPocket dimensions may not be quite that hard, Matilda seems to sell them, and I think Abel has made a couple (e.g. the mirror, his sword trick). But that aside, I do believe that the creation of SAIA - or some key aspect of it - was Mab's boon. And it absolutely has changed the world, at least for the 'Cubi.
Oh, right, I forgot about that. But yeah definitely - Mab had said 'change the world' in the present tense, but it's already been proven with Fa'lina.
Oh, I meant to add that in terms of changing the world, I have to wonder whether Jyrras' boon was his unnatural talent at electronics (he's 21, has apparently been running Jycorp for some time). It may be that the business with Albanion's marking was just a random favour...
Jyrras's boon was having the curse resolved. He said it would "mean the world" to him, and the way Fae boons work, that made it an obligation.
were on topic again? is the tea party cancelled? i was so looking forward to it
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perhaps we should chart up things we can obviously attribute to being a gift from mab, to keep a running tally of confirmed boons other then the bangle thing. granted some of theese boons likely predate the chronology of the comic or possibly happened while we were watching toned cubi abs or something
Quote from: Amber Williams on August 03, 2012, 04:15:38 PM
A thing with pheonix oracles is that while they can sometimes (IE: often) be ambiguous or vague, they never flat out lie. Part of their whole purpose is they never try to give folks a straight answer because they believe it should be up to the individual to figure things out for themselves. But as part of their nature they will never give deliberately false information. Which is why they are often called on for information since while it sometimes means having to decipher their message, it will always be have truth behind it.
It's not uncommon for adventurers to go missing or bodies to not be found, hence why there was a system set up. The pheonix oracles are usually used once someone is uncertain because they are guaranteed to know the difference between "the person cannot be found" and "the person is dead." and those who interact with oracles enough are fairly capable of deciphering the difference. It's kind of like those video-game tips that you can visit when you are stumped on when to proceed next.
They cannot lie, but can they be misinformed? Can someone be magically blocked from their sight, and simply "read" that as said fur dying?
Also, and this is splitting hairs, if someone was mortally wounded, but was then turned into an undead to save their "Life", would the oracle "read" that as said fur NOT dying, dying at the paws of his ACTUAL attackers, or dying at the paws of whoever shuffled him off this mortal coil a few seconds early only to bring him right back?
Quote from: Nino on August 04, 2012, 08:09:27 PM
You mean like Hogwarts ;) Just kidding. But seriously, here (http://www.missmab.com/Demo/Leader12.php) is where it says it's tucked away in a small plane of existence.
Sorry, forgot about that. I think I skimmed over Fa'lina's Demo. page.
Also, on the topic of the thread (which I don't think I've actually pitched in on yet :U), I think Dee did it. For reasons which have probably been stated about 5 times by the third page of the thread.
Quote from: TacticalError on August 05, 2012, 06:47:38 AM
Quote from: Nino on August 04, 2012, 08:09:27 PM
You mean like Hogwarts ;) Just kidding. But seriously, here (http://www.missmab.com/Demo/Leader12.php) is where it says it's tucked away in a small plane of existence.
Sorry, forgot about that. I think I skimmed over Fa'lina's Demo. page.
Also, on the topic of the thread (which I don't think I've actually pitched in on yet :U), I think Dee did it. For reasons which have probably been stated about 5 times by the third page of the thread.
Oh yeah, I agree with this too, unless it's someone we don't know about. Obviously it wasn't Dan or Abel (unless the prophecy was in a metaphorical sense), we can be fairly certain it was probably a real oracle and she's not lying, and it would be too far a stretch to say Aary was from Lost Lake.
My second guess would be though that this is all just to throw us off and he just got in a fight with a random cubi and died from it, and that Cubi happened to be from Lost Lake - after all, since they live so long, it could have been someone who had lived there hundreds of years ago and still been 'from' there. This seems like at least a decently likely possibility.
My third guess is he's not really dead and when Abel transformed his looks back it could be considered 'killing' him. Though I don't think this is likely, there is the fact that when Aniz changed back to Cid he 'killed' Cid off (as in, he went through ending his life through cardiac arrest) for ostensibly no other reason other than to metaphorically end his role as Cid - so maybe this is some tradition when Cubi act in the role of someone else long-term they tend to end their role by killing their facade to indicate to others their role as this being is over, so as a result in Furrae's language you can say you 'killed' someone when you stop acting as that being. Thus, Abel (the Cubi from Lost Lake) 'killed' Merlitz when he stopped acting as him.
It's kind of a longshot, but seems kind of a cool play on words if it ended up being the case. I do think if this were true though she would have said "The Cubi AT Lost Lake" and not "from", since it's a bit of a stretch to say Abel's from there though (though it's true we don't know the original village he came from I believe, other than it was probably in Armansta since that's where the funeral was).
I think indirect murder hasn't been discussed enough :) What if it's been purely unintentional? Do oracles see what would have been if somebody acted differently?
"Killing" may be loosely defined as performing some action(s), that ultimately resulted in someone's death.
If "cubi at lost lake" means the ones living there at the moment Nitemyste and Co asked, those are Dan or Abel. If the prophecy was given at the moment Fa'Lina visited, that may include her too.
1. Dan. He failed to kill Dark Pegasus. Furthermore, he promised not to kill Regina. Thus anybody those two kill is Dan's fault.
2. Abel. More far-fetched. He has beaten Merlitz, making him wish to prove himself. And to go adventuring and likely take unnecessary risks.
3. Fa'Lina. Putting Abel to the inn to be a constant reminder to Merlitz how poorly he fared even against such a worthless excuse for a cubi. Same as above.
If "cubi at lost lake" means any cubi connected to the inn, that also includes Destania, who lived there over 2 decades, and Aaryanna, who frequently came there, even if not for long.
4. Destaina. As Biggs's assistant she could hire Merlitz for some task, even knowing he may not survive. Or she could hire him to kill Dark Pegasus, since Dan failed. No ill intentions, just not caring.
5. Aaryanna. Already discussed. Breaking up with Merlitz may have provoked him to act recklessly.
Therefore, no motive and no hidden goals are required to be called responsible for killing Merlitz. Assuming Merlitz is really dead :)
I believe that Amber likes to mess with her minds. (Probably while cackling maniacally.) Therefore, Occam's razor does not apply if Amber wants a complicated explanation.
What is the definition of death. If death is defined as the cessation of breathing and heart flow, many people have technically died and been brought back to life in the hospital. What if the only way somebody could escape a trap was to have them meet the clinical definition of death. For example, there was a Star Wars: Clone Wars (animated feature) that had the Jedi frozen in Carbonite so that they wouldn't be detected by the enemy base they were approaching. On Star Trek, Next Generation there was an episode where Dr. Crusher revived some people in suspended animation because the system was failing. She told Captain Picard that she couldn't let them die, and Picard's response was "But they were already dead." (The episode was apparently "The Neutral Zone".)
Quote from: Naldru on August 05, 2012, 06:22:48 PMWhat is the definition of death. If death is defined as the cessation of breathing and heart flow, many people have technically died and been brought back to life in the hospital. What if the only way somebody could escape a trap was to have them meet the clinical definition of death.
Come to think of it. Does Edward Ti'Fiona have an adventurer stone? What does it show? "Dead or blocked"?
Quote from: tracer on August 05, 2012, 06:48:12 PM
Quote from: Naldru on August 05, 2012, 06:22:48 PMWhat is the definition of death. If death is defined as the cessation of breathing and heart flow, many people have technically died and been brought back to life in the hospital. What if the only way somebody could escape a trap was to have them meet the clinical definition of death.
Come to think of it. Does Edward Ti'Fiona have an adventurer stone? What does it show? "Dead or blocked"?
i think it is very safe to assume yes on both counts there...
Never is a prophecy more misleading than when it most appears straightforward.
I don't think there's a lot of wiggle room about 'killed', not like there is with 'ended her [social] life'. It's the qualifier 'from Lost Lake' which is where the vagueness is truly staggering. This can mean:
1) A cubi from Lost Lake Inn
2) A cubi from a lake which is lost
3) A cubi from a lake named 'Lost', or even a name containing the word 'lost'.
I don't buy they mean Arry dumping him. I could see that if the phrase was 'ended his life', but not 'killed'.
Keep in mind, there is also 'direct action' and 'indirect action'. As Biggs' chief minion, Destania makes a lot of orders. Maybe she ordered someone to go somewhere and do something, which resulted in his death. Or Merliz, not knowing it was Dan's mother, found out that Des was a 'cubi and confronted her. We all know who would win *that* fight, after all.
We've been keping tabs on Able, Dan, and Arry is at SAIA doing research. Enough so that Fa'lina had to go chase her off to bed/food. So none of them *could* have done the deed, directly or indirectly. The only 'cubi left that could vaguely be related to the Lost Lake Inn is Des.
Of course, Lost Lake doesn't necessarily mean the Lost Lake Inn. They could've had a sub-aquan cubi neighbor for years and never have realized it. After all, it mentions the lake, not the inn. Or maybe there's another lake or geographic structure named 'Lost Lake'. Do you know how many towns are named 'Springfield'?
Well, there are no Mer Cubi... although I can buy the "Regina/Aliph killed him and it's Dan's fault" angle. Or perhaps even Merlitz met his end crashing a certain party...
Quote from: Lying Foo on August 06, 2012, 02:04:37 AM
Well, there are no Mer Cubi... although I can buy the "Regina/Aliph killed him and it's Dan's fault" angle. Or perhaps even Merlitz met his end crashing a certain party...
What about Amphibious Mythos Cubi? Maybe even a Dolphin or Whale Being? >:3
Also, HERE is an idea: At least one of the murdered Cubi was connected to Dee. What if BOTH of them were? What if the murderer is targeting her associates, and Merlitz was simply the first Being on the list?
...and apparently, we have to wait until Wednesday (but more likely Friday) to get any more information. :<
Quote from: Sofox on August 03, 2012, 08:02:08 AMAlright, so most of the cubi suspects have been listed and the ambiguity of the oracles questioned.
Ambiguity? I'm outright questioning their
truthfulness when they resort to plain statements.
Quote from: KiloFoxx on August 03, 2012, 09:05:44 AMnow... not to sound mean to Merlitz, but all in all, we (and Mab) KNOW that 2 characters are supposed to die. 2 MAIN characters.
But when? By Fae time scales, even death by natural old age for normal beings is a "short" time.
Quote(i think we can take Abel out of the running for the "Cubi from Lost lake" as Merlitz pretty much left as SOON as he got there. he didn't have time to be "from" lost lake, he sould be described as "from" SAIA at that point still.
Most of the time Abel is seen without any of his wings outside the inn. Most will think he's just a being.
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Quote from: Lying Foo on August 06, 2012, 02:04:37 AM
Well, there are no Mer Cubi... although I can buy the "Regina/Aliph killed him and it's Dan's fault" angle. Or perhaps even Merlitz met his end crashing a certain party...
What about Amphibious Mythos Cubi? Maybe even a Dolphin or Whale Being? >:3
Confirmed nonexistant in DMFA a long time ago. (http://www.missmab.com/Demo/HG05.php). Nice try though.
On the subject of Mer, do they live in any lake and river or just ones that are close to the sea? Most inland ones might be too close for comfort to other races.
When you think about it, Gryphons and winged Creatures have the sky, Insectis have underground and Mer have the oceans... all Beings have is the surface and they have stiff competition on that. Anyway, why were we talking about Mer again?
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Well, there are no Mer Cubi... although I can buy the "Regina/Aliph killed him and it's Dan's fault" angle. Or perhaps even Merlitz met his end crashing a certain party...
What about Amphibious Mythos Cubi? Maybe even a Dolphin or Whale Being? >:3
Confirmed nonexistant in DMFA a long time ago. (http://www.missmab.com/Demo/HG05.php). Nice try though.
Fine. Otter Cubi, but that's my final... Oh, ****! Duck Cubi! Those guys are ALWAYS watching you! Why didn't I think of it before! >:3
That, or a Swan Cubi. All the concentrated territorial HATE of a swan, now with TENTACLES (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2csnVNai-o)! :mwaha
Oh, and it looks like I was right about the update not happening until Friday. I hate it when I'm right. :cry
look at it this way all but one (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1035.php) of mab's (first ? )five friends have used their boon. while it's true that Dan's been cursed by her friends and saved by Mab on at least two occasions. one of which was with arry when she stopped them mid fight and Dan complained that she was always interfering with his fights. as for his bangles he was abusing them which is probably why his bangles were removed after only three months (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_846.php) and he called it the easiest three months of adventuring he ever had.
Quote from: e_voyager on August 08, 2012, 11:15:25 PM
...as for his bangles he was abusing them which is probably why his bangles were removed after [url=http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_846.php]only three months (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1035.php) and he called it the easiest three months of adventuring he ever had.
Finding a loophole in a Fae curse? Either Dan is subconsciously smart, incredibly lucky, or I've been reading too much CN:H...
I don't know what to think about The Bangles, but Eternal Flame was an awesome song.
(http://www.missmab.com/WRY/Drift.jpg)
Quote from: Amber Williams on August 09, 2012, 05:35:15 PM
(http://www.missmab.com/WRY/Drift.jpg)
hehe, nice one! thanks for the great forum tool, I'll put it to good use.
Quote from: Starcat5 on August 08, 2012, 11:07:33 PM
Fine. Otter Cubi, but that's my final... Oh, ****! Duck Cubi! Those guys are ALWAYS watching you! Why didn't I think of it before! >:3
Ceiling Cubi?