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Title: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: topher chee on August 22, 2006, 08:32:38 PM
Ah, indeedio Amber you are right.  That is very stange how thats exactly why most artists critisize their artwork.  1.  To avoid being....egotistical jerks as you said, and 2. I think realizing our own mistakes helps us improve.  Looking back on Aber's first pieces, she really has come a looooong way.  Someday I hope the same will happen for myself, and so do others, all we can do is stick out the rough times and practice, practice, PRACTICE!!!!!
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: xHaZxMaTx on August 22, 2006, 08:36:07 PM
Why do artists always criticize their own work?  Because they drew the pic, and know where the flaws are, even if you couldn't see them without a magnifying glass.  They're a very nit-picky lot. :lol
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: ElectroMotive on August 22, 2006, 08:39:32 PM
hey if you made it wouldn't you want it to be perfect too?
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Manawolf on August 22, 2006, 08:42:09 PM
Example #1 is above average at the least.
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: thegayhare on August 22, 2006, 08:58:56 PM
you know I feel the same way...

I 'll prepare a meal and when I sit down  I enjoy it but I can always taste whats wrong and I'm nevver 100 percent satisfied.

It doesn't matter if I get raves from the others who eat but to me I always feel there is something wrong
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: ElectroMotive on August 22, 2006, 09:04:15 PM
same thing in music too. there's always something thats off beat or out of tune and dosen't fit in. It may sound perfect to the audience but to the musician it's horrible.
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Kenji on August 22, 2006, 09:09:04 PM
That bunny in the third panel looks almost as thin as Amber. o:
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Rowne on August 22, 2006, 09:12:03 PM
It's the only cure for stagnation damnation, too.  If an artist perceives their work as perfect (and I've known a few that do), then their work tends to never actually improve, evolve or change over a period of say, five years, they might grow as a person but their art will remain wholly unchanged.  The only way to really avoid this is to convince oneself that indeed, one's efforts aren't as good as what the fans believe they are.

Then again, I'm certain that every artist out there already knows all this, so I'm not quite sure why I typed it up.

I have to say though, I do like artists that are approachable because of this.  Those that don't set their sights too high and especially those that share their art in a way that everyone can enjoy, whether it's free and fully accessible or cheap and indie.  I would note that this is quite easy to see in a lot of industries, compare Marvel (whenever Grant Morrison isn't writing it) with a lot of indie comic publishers out there, generally the indie work is much more inventive.

I think it's something that art school should teach along with the skill itself.  Back when I was in art school, I don't remember anything of the sort, which is a shame really.  Then again, it's likely that I was attending a really crappy college, all too likely.

Besides, an artist doesn't need to have all that much confidence, their fans will always have more than enough for them and that's enough of a self-esteem booster for most artists, not to overstate the importance of the fans though since without something to actually be a fan of, we wouldn't be here.  So all praise Amber.

I'll try and make more of a point with the next post I make anyway ... or at least I'll shoot for bad humour.
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on August 22, 2006, 09:13:14 PM
bwahahahaha. :-)

Okay, on that note, I can sleep happily. :-) As ever Amber has put her finger on the point perfectly, and, with her pin of ingenuity, pierced the inflated ego of the flamboyant artiste.... :-)
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Boog on August 22, 2006, 09:13:32 PM
 :rolleyes Same thing happens to me when I look through old sketchbooks. Anyone else think that the Artist-vision one still doesn't look too bad? Not a particularly attractive subject matter, but still well drawn in a cartooney sort of style.
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Roureem Egas on August 22, 2006, 09:26:07 PM
I read this strip, and now all I can think about is the monster phage Shippai Sakuda. :x
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Dakata on August 22, 2006, 09:28:24 PM
My old art's worse than Amber's. D: My old art's...creepy-lookin'. I don't know why the heck I thought it was cool. I must've been high or something.

...*Points and laffs at the lopsided boob*
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: GabrielsThoughts on August 22, 2006, 09:30:56 PM
the ppg bandwagon never died...and I have proof. plus there is now an Anime of it in Japan.

I have artwork from when my artwork looked like JTHM around 1998 1999 . I'm not proud off it, but then again the it was so bad it was cool...
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: topher chee on August 22, 2006, 09:44:38 PM
hehe if you wanna get critical, when i was in 1st grade, heh, all my people i drew had giant hands and feet, lol
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: bill on August 22, 2006, 09:46:37 PM
My critics and I agree; I can't draw worth crap.
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Jack McSlay on August 22, 2006, 10:23:55 PM
My reaction to my own ancient works is usually different... I tend to laugh instead.  :mowhappy
Quote from: Rowne on August 22, 2006, 09:12:03 PMIt's the only cure for stagnation damnation, too.  If an artist perceives their work as perfect (and I've known a few that do), then their work tends to never actually improve, evolve or change over a period of say, five years, they might grow as a person but their art will remain wholly unchanged.  The only way to really avoid this is to convince oneself that indeed, one's efforts aren't as good as what the fans believe they are.

Then again, I'm certain that every artist out there already knows all this, so I'm not quite sure why I typed it up.

I have to say though, I do like artists that are approachable because of this.  Those that don't set their sights too high and especially those that share their art in a way that everyone can enjoy, whether it's free and fully accessible or cheap and indie.  I would note that this is quite easy to see in a lot of industries, compare Marvel (whenever Grant Morrison isn't writing it) with a lot of indie comic publishers out there, generally the indie work is much more inventive.

I think it's something that art school should teach along with the skill itself.  Back when I was in art school, I don't remember anything of the sort, which is a shame really.  Then again, it's likely that I was attending a really crappy college, all too likely.

Besides, an artist doesn't need to have all that much confidence, their fans will always have more than enough for them and that's enough of a self-esteem booster for most artists, not to overstate the importance of the fans though since without something to actually be a fan of, we wouldn't be here.  So all praise Amber.

I'll try and make more of a point with the next post I make anyway ... or at least I'll shoot for bad humour.
:yeahthat

I really hate when artists try to drive away critics, saying he/she won't revamp the given piece is not a valid excuse, and the "you can't critique on something you can't do better" is even worst. It's very nice when an artist draws and post up art to gain a little feedback, rather than inflating their egos (and I've seen many who fall in the second category)
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Wanderer on August 22, 2006, 10:31:05 PM
Of course it applies to writers also. The work is ALWAYS terrible. Begone, pitiful excuses for prose! *pours gasoline on computer and tosses a match after it* ;)
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Sketchy boy on August 22, 2006, 10:35:31 PM
Meh, whatever.  I only do it because It never comes out like ive imagined it.

But fluffy has a point.  Al my old artwork DOSE look destorting.  Look at the back of my gallery. *shudder*
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: GabrielsThoughts on August 22, 2006, 10:50:35 PM
what was the diffrence between the bunny in the second panel and the one in the third. I'm hard pressed to discover  what makes the second one so aweful....





Just kidding.
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: topher chee on August 22, 2006, 11:21:44 PM
talk about distorted, my drawing have been so outta proportion latyely
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Silverfoxr on August 22, 2006, 11:26:28 PM
i keep all my old artwork - i have a a bookcase that consists of sketchbooks that go back to 1998 and REally OLD art that goes back even further to 1992 which i keep in storage - i always think i am ick - cause i see so many others who are way better - but instresting when i look back at the stuff i did in 92 and see how much its changed O_O
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: James StarRunner on August 22, 2006, 11:31:29 PM
I burned all my old artwork. I really shouldn't have, but I know I've improved by leaps and bounds.
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Netami on August 22, 2006, 11:33:11 PM
I wonder how many artists say their work sucks, despite a large following, just to see people comfort them.
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Amber Williams on August 22, 2006, 11:43:20 PM
There probably is a standard amount that use the "oh I'm bad, give me comfort" approach.  Just like there are probably those who use their art simply as a platform to try to become popular and hang with the "cool kids"  It really likely more depends on the character of the person...just like some people might use their connections to famous people to boost themselves, or how some might take an illness as an excuse to leech public sympathy.

Art, in the end, is in some ways just a tool...it all depends on how a person uses it.  I dont doubt there are artists out there who abuse it.

For the most part though, I find a good chunk of artists have a good level-head over things. Many realize that yeah...they're art is either still learning or that it has redeeming features, but also that there is room to expand upon.  I know I personally tend to be very blargh about going back and changing an image if there are some flaws, however I try to keep them in mind for the future ones. 

Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: topher chee on August 22, 2006, 11:47:49 PM
sometimes i wish i can just throw out all the crappy stuff and re-draw them, but now that i think about it, it is good to know your mistakes.

Dontcha just hate it when people are like that, drama queens.  Heh, I know when I first started drawing I thought it was awesome work, but now that i look back, im like, wtf?
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: RJ on August 23, 2006, 12:13:10 AM
(http://www.furry.org.au/randomjoy/ppgamber.jpg)
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: GabrielsThoughts on August 23, 2006, 01:05:50 AM
I have a footlocker and a file cabinent filled with art, comics, and stories that I've done...shivers... and Ironically a few years back I was surprised how often the stories  seemed simmilar to one another.
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Saist on August 23, 2006, 01:23:28 AM
is it wrong that I just want to sweep PowerPuff Amber off her feet and SNUGGLE her?
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: e_voyager on August 23, 2006, 02:44:57 AM
my so called art has not even made it as far as the artist vision. i look at in and feel that way amber does about her early work and more of my early work has been destroyed in shame
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Sienna Maiu - M T on August 23, 2006, 03:45:53 AM
OMG~! The backrounds in Amber's Artist-Vision are telling her she sucks! We must kill it!

And that is all I really have to say on that matter.
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: mini-lion on August 23, 2006, 04:35:05 AM
QuoteThe backrounds in Amber's Artist-Vision are telling her she sucks

didn't notice that,

It's quite an interesting point that people have this built in drive to go further and never be content, as soon as we reach the other side of the hill we're looking at the next mountain range type of thing. It's applied everywhere as well even in say product design something may suit the job perfectly but you know inside that if it was tweaked here and there it may be better, the problem is knowing wher to stop

Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: King Of Hearts on August 23, 2006, 04:46:54 AM
All too true...

...some people who view it may not notice but the pen that gave birth knows all too well what he did wrong, especially as they are going along.

I have a bunch of stuff that I dont want to finish because I think they stink, but ended up finishing months later after rummaging trough my stuff and noticing that its not so bad.

Downplaying oneself is also a defensive trick as to not appear to warrant harsh criticism from other artists.

A tree full of fruit is one always stoned.

I dont throw away my old works [you should see my cabinet, oh the poor trees that gave their lives for my hobby...] It just doesnt feel right, Its kinda silly but they feel like they are my children nonetheless.
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: ITOS on August 23, 2006, 04:53:36 AM
Unnecessary post ahead. Most things were said while I was writing. :P

------------------------------

Why do you fear old art? I have only started to draw so I can't really look back.

The only thing  can relate to is signatures ( my first signature (http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h18/ItosAtio/Signatures/B.jpg) ). If I try to compare with the ones I make now I don't regard it as horrible since I know that it was almost the first time I opened Photoshop.

All work is horrible if you compare it to better art. I don't mean that you shouldn't try to be as good as the better art but there is no need to bash yourself since there will always be better.
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Tapewolf on August 23, 2006, 05:08:14 AM
The other day I decided to copy the digitally mastered version of A day at the people factory back onto tape.  Since my DVD+RWs seem to have a life expectancy of under two years, a safety copy seemed prudent.  I kept hearing all kinds of timing problems, pitch problems, mixing problems and so forth which I hadn't noticed before.  I can't say I like the first side of it at all anymore, except for 'Return to Babel'.  So it isn't just Amber.

I'm wondering whether I should rerecord 'Sacred Jaguar' at some point, since it's a great song, just not very well executed.
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on August 23, 2006, 05:15:41 AM
It's also likely that, by now, you (and this is a general you, not just Tapewolf) have learnt skills that you didn't have some time ago - so, to take Tapewolf's example, he now hears issues that he knows how to fix, whereas before, he couldn't fix them, and hence may have subconciously decided to leave them be... "good enough" at the time is not necessarily "good enough" later, when you know what you have to do to get it right...

Just my 2p. (I seem to be spending a lot, lately... :-)
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Arcalane on August 23, 2006, 06:01:17 AM
I used to look back at my old 3D modelling work and wonder how the hell I could have made anything so bad, and then I look forward and go "whoa." when I see some of the spontaneous pieces I've made up.

And sometimes, I just wonder how the hell I managed some things. I was once making a design based off the Starfury from Babylon 5. I wanted to imitate the cockpit area, and knew that I had neither the skill nor the power in my modelling program. That was, until I had the patience to actually try.

It may not be perfect, but this (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/28412362/) has come a long way from this (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/28405679/), even though it wasn't actually perfected, as nobody might notice, but the engine blocks are improperly sized. More noticeably, the wings are improperly positioned. This was later corrected, result here (http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/33376032/), and then lost when I managed to format the partition with the work on. :rolleyes

At least now I can concentrate on moving forward and making new things, instead of faffing about with the old crap.

The past is something to learn from, but don't get too caught up in it. Thus, archives can be good... and bad. ;)
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Joshua on August 23, 2006, 07:18:33 AM
*nods sagely*
I am all too familiar with 'Artistic Vision'. -.-
I almost never fully like anything I draw.
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Stig Hemmer on August 23, 2006, 07:31:54 AM
What I like to see is an artist that is able once in a while to lean back and say "You know, I kind of like how todays effort came out."  Not all the time, of course, just occationally. As an audience member, I like seeing the artist enjoy their work.

As a human being, I know how much damage you can do with words.  By saying to yourself "I suck", you are hurting yourself in ways that can be really really bad.  I don't like seeing people do that to themselves. (or others, for that matter) :tired
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: RJ on August 23, 2006, 08:27:55 AM
Sometimes I'll go through my old art... it's more like a photo album to me since a lot of them have memories I've subconsciously attached to them.

Though, I'll still stop at something and go 'What was I thinking when I drew this!?'. >.<
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Bunnaroo on August 23, 2006, 09:11:48 AM
Hmm. I guess I'm not skilled enough to have "Artist Vision."

Say, who is that green (or is she yellow with a blue overlay?) Bunatian?
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Arcalane on August 23, 2006, 09:49:30 AM
Quote from: Bunnaroo on August 23, 2006, 09:11:48 AM
Hmm. I guess I'm not skilled enough to have "Artist Vision."

Say, who is that green (or is she yellow with a blue overlay?) Bunatian?

I believe the correct term for that colour would be "Cyan".

Or possibly "Teal", but Teal is generally darker.

*colournerrrrrrrrrrrrd*
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Jack McSlay on August 23, 2006, 10:05:06 AM
I don't think it applies only to artistic creations, other day I was looking at old programs I wrote and was like  :wtf
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Tapewolf on August 23, 2006, 10:27:34 AM
Quote from: Jack McSlay on August 23, 2006, 10:05:06 AM
I don't think it applies only to artistic creations, other day I was looking at old programs I wrote and was like  (wtf)

Some of mine still are.


// Now we have to send the tab a secret code to make it not suck
SendMessage(form->tab,CCM_SETVERSION,COMCTL32_VERSION,0L);
// This should make the tabs flat instead of weird

  :

si.cbSize=sizeof(si); // Feed it the c___ it needs or it will tell funny lies about the size

  :

// One always tells the truth and the other always lies

:

// Remove any turds from the temp directory (SQLCE is not housebroken)
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on August 23, 2006, 10:29:23 AM
All of that sounds like sound, forward-thinking coding practice, there, Tapewolf. Where were the strange bits? :-)
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Tapewolf on August 23, 2006, 11:12:38 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on August 23, 2006, 10:29:23 AM
All of that sounds like sound, forward-thinking coding practice, there, Tapewolf. Where were the strange bits? :-)


// This works for everywhere except Europe
GetTimeZoneInformation(&tzi);

// This is the semi-official method and it doesn't bloody work at all

if(Bias == -45 || Bias == 45)
        Bias /= 3;                                                      // I hate everything

  :

// We don't have this officially on CE4 but we'll use it anyway

:

// Don't delete the font handle, we'll tidy it up afterwards (yeah - 3 years afterwards)

:

// Coreldraw 8 forgot to do this as well.

:

// wcscpy(&ptr[2],ptr);  This crashes the Windows kernel, so we do this instead:

:

// We can't find it.  According to the spec we return "Oh Sh__"

:

// MSVC 6 does something terrible if we compile with 'Frame Pointer Omission' enabled
// (This is the default for 'Maximise Speed')

:

// Make it invisible.
ShowWindow(Warning,SW_HIDE);
Sleep(50);
// Is it still visible?
r=GetWindowLong(Warning,GWL_STYLE);
if(r & WS_VISIBLE)
      {
      // Yes.. Windows did not obey.  It must be punished.
      SetWindowLong(Warning,GWL_STYLE,r&~GWL_STYLE);
      Sleep(50);
      }

:

// Set colours here because windows is sh_

:

// Palm is ffffed in the head as usual.


(Sorry, I seem to have gone off-topic a little)
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on August 23, 2006, 11:22:10 AM
Colour me vastly amused. And -way- off topic...
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Rowne on August 23, 2006, 11:57:04 AM
That goes double.  *Amused.*

It reminds me of the comment actually that if a company were to nerf crashing, the coders for the environment that company created would soon find a workaround, people always had complete faith in this.

Yay coders!  We love you, we do.

... and I feel egotistical now, since I dabble in code.  Time to go and stick my head in a bucket of ice.
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: witchiebunny on August 23, 2006, 01:20:19 PM
I must say, it is somewhat scary how often that actually does apply, and how accurate it really is.

Of course, my artists vision tends to kick in as soon as I start inking a piece.

Not fun.
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: James StarRunner on August 23, 2006, 01:41:28 PM
Ya, inking gets scary. At least there's photoshop in case you mess up.

Oh, and welcome to the forum!
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Snap on August 23, 2006, 02:09:47 PM
Did i miss you? Hell yes, i did.

on the comic:
ive seen this kind of joke a couple of times from Amber (i also noticed the YOU SUCK Background immeditately), and i think she is way to harsh on herself. Its too bad that this point of view is completly "internal" and thus doesnt follow neither logic nor arguments.

While i dont draw myself, i sometimes colorize inks from other persons (with their permission), and while most of the results seem rather boring to me, there are some that while just looking at them make me happy and proud. I dont know how justified that is, but as long as i enjoy them, im satisfied. Yes, im no perfectionist, my bad (Ive known quite a few, none of them seemed all to happy).

I hope those "omgthatsreallycool,didireallydothat" moments outweight the "ohthehorror" ones. These are real motivation boosters :)
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: e_voyager on August 23, 2006, 03:11:47 PM
i know have you to feel jack and tape wolf. i've goin the the same thing with programs and webpages that i've built. "shivers" i may never be whole again
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Alondro on August 23, 2006, 05:24:46 PM
*Charles sighs*  Actually, my older pics from three years ago look better than anything I can do now.  I had time to practice back then.  And actually, Amber's distorted view STILL looks better than my drawings now!  *sobs* :cry

*Charline drinks up the suffering of her human... and his blood too!*   :bat

*Charles acks as he becomes suddenly anemic*  :boggle
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Kitsune Ascendant on August 23, 2006, 05:52:58 PM
you can add presentations to the list. it's kinda funny, actually. with something like a written paper, mistakes that anyone else would catch slip right by you, but if you have a speach or presentation you will notice every little mistake you make. at the end, you're thinking "I really could have done that a lot better", when the instructors are telling you how great a job you did.
...
I think it really aplies to just about any creative work. I look back at some stuff I wrote for middle school classes, and I shudder. I had a short story about how pikachu was created. it involved a mad scientist and a mouse. yeah...
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Forestcat on August 23, 2006, 06:10:46 PM
Meh. I have issues posting my art because I think it's icky. . . but then I end up really liking it for some reason and posting it later ;) I can still find mistakes though, and part of my "well it's not that great anyhow . . . "complex is moreso because I know I'm still improving and there are lots better aritsts out there than me! :)
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: KarlOmega1 on August 23, 2006, 07:13:05 PM
Quote from: Alondro on August 23, 2006, 05:24:46 PM
*Charles sighs*  Actually, my older pics from three years ago look better than anything I can do now.  I had time to practice back then.  And actually, Amber's distorted view STILL looks better than my drawings now!  *sobs* :cry

*Charline drinks up the suffering of her human... and his blood too!*   :bat

*Charles acks as he becomes suddenly anemic*  :boggle

My blood's better than his, Charline  ;)
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Zedd on August 23, 2006, 08:52:59 PM
I can think at least one thing scaryier than bad art and no computer for a whole summer......Not havign a computer for 3 years and spending time drawing your things on fast food napkins
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Roureem Egas on August 23, 2006, 09:10:16 PM
Drawing on napkins is more sad than anything. >.>

I'm not going against the no-computer for-three-years part, though.
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Arcalane on August 24, 2006, 03:12:37 AM
Quote from: Alondro on August 23, 2006, 05:24:46 PM*Charles acks as he becomes suddenly anemic*  :boggle

Anemia is the last[/i] of your worries... ;)

I'd think death was a bit more important to be worrying about.

~~

Karl, I really doubt that. I really do.

~~

Hey, napkins are better than nothing, right? Sure, you could[/i] use paper, but still, better than nothing.
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Alondro on August 24, 2006, 09:02:13 AM
*Charles shakes his head*  Nah, I'm a scientist.  We don't need blood cuz we're not really human.  That's why we can gleefully experiment on cute fuzzy little animals... we're soulless monsters.  PETA is correct about that!  But we don't care.. they shall be among the first exterminated when we have completed our research!   :mwaha

Why do you think we keep testing cosmetics on animals?  To find side effects and make safer products?  No!  We're finding the components for Smilex gas.  >:3

*Charline gazes in wonder at the bloodless 'human'*  Wow... he's so evil!  So cold and merciless!  So brutal and malevolent!  *little hearts float about her and the background becomes a frame of pastels*  I think I'm in love...  :love2

*Alondro jaw-drops in horror*  This is quite possibly the worst scenario imaginable...
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: ITOS on August 24, 2006, 09:24:43 AM
Is it wrong to think that high explosives is the best only way of solving this?  :paranoid
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Arcalane on August 24, 2006, 09:35:17 AM
Because it probably is. Besides, who doesn't like explosions? :mwaha
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: KarlOmega1 on August 24, 2006, 01:53:43 PM
Good question, Megatron...er...I mean, Sheridan....oh great, I'm gonna be turned into slag, aren't I?
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Drake Manaweilder on August 24, 2006, 04:16:55 PM
Quote from: witchiebunny on August 23, 2006, 01:20:19 PM
Of course, my artists vision tends to kick in as soon as I start inking a piece.

Not fun.

Same here, but it doesn't hit until I've just finished inking.
I sware my pen dose this  :mwaha to me just for a brief moment... then again I've been drawing at 5 AM for the past few days.

yeah my sleep cycle dissolves during summer. woke up at 3 PM today. :tired
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: e_voyager on August 24, 2006, 07:46:08 PM
Quote from: Alondro on August 24, 2006, 09:02:13 AM

*Charline gazes in wonder at the bloodless 'human'* Wow... he's so evil! So cold and merciless! So brutal and malevolent! *little hearts float about her and the background becomes a frame of pastels* I think I'm in love... :love2

*Alondro jaw-drops in horror* This is quite possibly the worst scenario imaginable...

that is as scary a thing  as anything i may have done in the past week. and i played around in a steel mill this past few days
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: topher chee on August 24, 2006, 08:14:12 PM
Quote from: Roureem Egas on August 23, 2006, 09:10:16 PM
Drawing on napkins is more sad than anything. >.>

I'm not going against the no-computer for-three-years part, though.

drawing on napkins is the shiz
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Zedd on August 24, 2006, 08:49:34 PM
Heres what I am gonan do for you....I am gonna make you a star! *gets out some sissors and snips up paper to make a star* There ya go
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: e_voyager on August 24, 2006, 08:55:56 PM
is it true better late then never?
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Zedd on August 24, 2006, 08:58:51 PM
Yeah..The Titanic adrived in GB2 if those rember... :laugh
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: LionHeart on August 25, 2006, 08:21:53 AM
Quote from: Drake Manaweilder on August 24, 2006, 04:16:55 PM
Quote from: witchiebunny on August 23, 2006, 01:20:19 PM
Of course, my artists vision tends to kick in as soon as I start inking a piece.

Not fun.

Same here, but it doesn't hit until I've just finished inking.
I sware my pen dose this  :mwaha to me just for a brief moment...

Maybe you need to use a different pen...  :P
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: topher chee on August 25, 2006, 04:55:19 PM
or you could throw it out the window^^
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Zedd on August 25, 2006, 04:57:04 PM
Naw thats alittle too easy
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: e_voyager on August 25, 2006, 07:36:17 PM
the only thin easy about windows is find problems.
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Zedd on August 25, 2006, 08:48:25 PM
oh yeah
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: topher chee on August 26, 2006, 02:47:25 PM
*shrugs and tosses the pen out the window  :laugh
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: ShiningShadow on September 02, 2006, 02:02:46 AM
The only thing I draw is cockroaches  :meh. That is best i could do in art. Just think about roaches skateboarding, skydiving etc. SCARY isn't........
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Zedd on September 02, 2006, 02:04:48 AM
*girly screeam*
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: e_voyager on September 02, 2006, 02:27:40 AM
bah i remember thingsd like that fomr my tin in the white wall now chan smoking hippos thats scary
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Zedd on September 02, 2006, 02:29:22 AM
 :U
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: King Of Hearts on September 02, 2006, 02:34:38 AM
Cockroaches are easy enough to handle... but things hit the fan once one stats flying.
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: xHaZxMaTx on September 02, 2006, 02:39:36 AM
My friends don't believe me when I say cockroaches can fly...
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: e_voyager on September 02, 2006, 02:43:31 AM
i belive you but then i've seen it myself
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 02, 2006, 11:16:19 AM
Depends on the species, really.

Some can, some can't. All are remarkably tough to kill, however.
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: thegayhare on September 02, 2006, 11:38:11 AM
you should have seen the roaches we had on base in japan... my mom says when ever they sprayed a building the roaches would actualy march across the street in mass to a new house.  And they could fly.
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: e_voyager on September 02, 2006, 11:42:55 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 02, 2006, 11:16:19 AM
Depends on the species, really.

Some can, some can't. All are remarkably tough to kill, however.

they have a lot of redundant back up systems and the breath through their sides not their heads.
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 02, 2006, 12:28:49 PM
It was the stories of scientists doing experiments on them.

Like, taking their heads off and seeing how long it took them to die (two weeks - they died of starvation) or slicing them in half, and putting a straw between the front half and the back half, and seeing how long they'd survive (indefinitely, they seemed quite happy to be 30cm long instead of less than 5cm...) that really surprised me.

Well, that and the information that they could walk around inside a running microwave without any ill effects...
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Kenji on September 02, 2006, 12:35:34 PM
Fire solves everything. That and big, heavy boots.
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 02, 2006, 12:40:17 PM
Nope. You need -both- for these things.

Case in point - killing the bugs doesn't help, as they keep eggs inside their casing. Once they die, the eggs hatch some time later, and the grubs eat the parent before venturing out into the big wide world.

So.. if you poison a roach, the babies that grow a month later will be much more resistant to the same poison.

... which goes a long way towards explaining why sticking them to the floor with flyspray will make you sicker than them. And they walk away from it...
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Kenji on September 02, 2006, 12:50:48 PM
Feet work for the ones here. Then again, we tend to liquidize the suckers from stomping em.
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Manawolf on September 02, 2006, 01:04:19 PM
Had a big one fly into my room a few weeks back.  Chased it a bit, paper smashed it a couple of times till it stopped moving, then gave it a trip to the void beyond the bowl.  Let's see your eggs get back from that.
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 02, 2006, 01:44:30 PM
the eggs will survive both of those, and grow again. Admittedly they mgiht have trouble reaching adult size later, but they'll still survive.

In Mana's case, somewhere else, which is all to the good. :-)
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Zedd on September 02, 2006, 01:46:49 PM
Here we go again totaly OT  :laugh :rolleyes
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: e_voyager on September 02, 2006, 02:43:50 PM
the most sadistic thing i did to a Roach not counting flushin it was burning it to ash on a stove. took me a weak to sleep well after that. i was 6 at the time. that and i was on punishment for tree days for being caught using the stove.
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Manawolf on September 02, 2006, 02:46:32 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 02, 2006, 01:44:30 PM
the eggs will survive both of those, and grow again. Admittedly they mgiht have trouble reaching adult size later, but they'll still survive.

In Mana's case, somewhere else, which is all to the good. :-)

Unless they can survive the water purification system, it's highly doubtful.  They're not exactly the most waterborn insects out there.
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Zedd on September 02, 2006, 02:49:44 PM
Dont remind me...Mosquitos...Annoying buggers
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 02, 2006, 03:50:22 PM
oh, the adult is a gonna - it'll drown, no problem.

The babies, OTOH, will survive being roasted in a microwave, -no- worries. The water purification system would give them pause, but not much. Besides, that's for incoming, not outgoing. Outgoing goes via the sewage system, which deals with the lumps, but that's about it. They'll end up in the pipes, living happily until next time it rains heavily.
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on September 02, 2006, 04:25:45 PM
Quote from: Sheridan on August 23, 2006, 09:49:30 AM
Quote from: Bunnaroo on August 23, 2006, 09:11:48 AM
Say, who is that green (or is she yellow with a blue overlay?) Bunatian?

I believe the correct term for that colour would be "Cyan".

Or possibly "Teal", but Teal is generally darker.

*colournerrrrrrrrrrrrd*

Surely "cyan" is blue, though? Certainly the laser toner I used to replace (about 8 years ago, now) was in CMYK, and the Cyan one was a nice light blue. Somewhat darker than sky blue, but not much...

Oh, and since someone pointed out they didn't know what CMYK was, it's Cyan, Magenta, Yellow, Black - or, terms of what the colours look like, blue/red/yellow/black...
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: topher chee on September 02, 2006, 05:07:07 PM
for the longest time i liked indigo, but i liked the crayola indigo, other indigo suck!
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: thegayhare on September 02, 2006, 08:13:42 PM
You know I read something a while back about a jewelry designer that would make necklaces and bracelets out of living roaches.  He would plate part of there exoskeleton with gold and gems so the starletts could have this living jewelry.  there was a bit of a problem when some of the necklaces started laying eggs though
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: e_voyager on September 02, 2006, 08:17:29 PM
did that happen? it sound like one of thoes fact's straner then fiction things
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: thegayhare on September 02, 2006, 08:19:10 PM
Ohh I'm pretty sure it's real.  I'll try and find and artical about it.  though it was a while back I saw it
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: topher chee on September 02, 2006, 08:36:43 PM
i saw that on ripleys, though i thought they were beetles
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: thegayhare on September 02, 2006, 08:50:16 PM
madigascar hissing cockroaches

I couldn't find the articals but I found where you can buy them

roaches (http://www.blackchandelier.biz/servlet/the-121/Giant-Madagascar-Hissing-Cockroach/Detail?gad=COLg0vEBEggUmXoKhGQ7uRjivYf-AyC2pLUV)
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: e_voyager on September 02, 2006, 08:51:02 PM
Quote from: topher chee on September 02, 2006, 08:36:43 PM
i saw that on ripleys, though i thought they were beetles

beetles?  were they scarbes?
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: ShiningShadow on September 03, 2006, 02:04:55 AM
I seen those hissing roaches on tv many years ago. But in my country in Peru South America there are roaches living in the rain forest. This is a myth from my Father if you see roaches in the rain forest and somehow they guess and spell your name then you will die. I never believe in this stuff but those roaches are extremly large there in the rain forest.
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: xHaZxMaTx on September 03, 2006, 03:03:13 AM
I've heard hissing cockroaches make great pets, and I wouldn't doubt it.  I've held them, and they're so cool! :D
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Reese Tora on September 03, 2006, 03:13:54 AM
Quote from: ShiningShadow on September 03, 2006, 02:04:55 AM
I seen those hissing roaches on tv many years ago. But in my country in Peru South America there are roaches living in the rain forest. This is a myth from my Father if you see roaches in the rain forest and somehow they guess and spell your name then you will die. I never believe in this stuff but those roaches are extremly large there in the rain forest.

I've seen those hissing roaches on TV pretty recently... they're a favorite for certain kinds of challenges on fear factor, which my dad liked to watch up until just recently.

I'll leave you to imagine just what sorts of challenges involve lots of live roaches. >:3
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Zedd on September 03, 2006, 08:49:03 AM
The roaches wil ldoom us all!
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: ShiningShadow on September 03, 2006, 10:26:08 PM
Yep pretty much. They will out lives us all. That's pretty sad here for humanity. Maybe I gene spliced my DNA with a roach. HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM *pondering*
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: e_voyager on September 03, 2006, 11:16:29 PM
don't scare me likt that it's bad enough that they were the size of elivles when the sun trurnd read but this?
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Zedd on September 03, 2006, 11:20:55 PM
Hmmm well will there be anything kill roaches?
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: e_voyager on September 03, 2006, 11:27:12 PM
yes. Me that and black holes or solar flares. thers is alson the will of the planet as well.
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: thegayhare on September 04, 2006, 12:28:51 AM
Lets kill some roaches

(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y45/boybnny2/tghdes.jpg)

*giggles*
sorry
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: e_voyager on September 04, 2006, 12:54:05 AM
cutie. city of heron?
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: thegayhare on September 05, 2006, 12:25:16 AM
Nope sorry hon not City of Heros

this is cobbled together from a pair of models from a game called fredom force
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Zedd on September 05, 2006, 12:31:34 AM
 :P Sounds fun seeing your char on that BB
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Reese Tora on September 05, 2006, 12:35:48 AM
Quote from: e_voyager on September 04, 2006, 12:54:05 AM
cutie. city of heron?

If it was city of heron, he'd be a bird of some sort.  (sorry :P )

Seriously, I don't believe CoH has support for furry hero types, only humans in funny costumes.  Not that this stops some people from making heroes with animal characteristics, they just wouldn't look that much like an animal.
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: thegayhare on September 05, 2006, 12:41:42 AM
I had some cat costumes for city of villians
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: e_voyager on September 05, 2006, 12:49:41 AM
do you have a site?
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: ShiningShadow on September 05, 2006, 02:02:24 PM
That's cool what you did Thegayhare pretty awesome. you got more there to show us?
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: Zedd on September 05, 2006, 02:03:52 PM
Belive me SS he has too much
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: ShiningShadow on September 05, 2006, 02:21:13 PM
Really? I think he's getting warmed up in my own opinion. Let's see what develops.....
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: e_voyager on September 05, 2006, 04:40:22 PM
how about an art thread in the tower?
Title: Re: 08/23/06 Powder Puff
Post by: ShiningShadow on September 12, 2006, 07:07:31 AM
Yeah I like that we should all contribute to the mighty Art Tower. *bow to the tower**chanting*.......... :mwaha :mwaha :mwaha >:3