Hehehehehehe. Ambaargh, you is gonna kill us all.
Also: I see that Aniz was 813 or so when he was killed. Interesting. So he managed to skulk around Furrae for 350 or so years without pissing anyone else off enough to manage to end him. Sneaky.
... Anyone else interesting in collating money to pay for a wallpaper?
Huh. So he's dead. And Abel didn't kill him. I'm glad, in a way.
I shall now use all of my willpower and not speculate.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 30, 2011, 06:04:16 AM
... Anyone else interesting in collating money to pay for a wallpaper?
Thank you llearch. This is relevant to my interests.
Hello what Prof. Ink was getting at all that time ago. Also, possibly the fate of Alexsi's mother or soemthing related to it? I'm sure also Dee found out which family line killed her ex which may also tie in.
Also, cute. I like May's middle name as well.
Interesting, it was someone with no relation to Dan but a shared name that killed Aniz, Alexsi's biological mother.
Note:Is there any way to have hidden spoiler text in these posts?
Quote from: MT Hazard on January 30, 2011, 06:28:44 AM
Note:Is there any way to have hidden spoiler text in these posts?
Not at this time, no. We may implement something after the forum gets updated to the newer version of SMF, but since that's still beta, we're in no rush.
This makes me want for a continuation of Abel's story, just to find out exactly how Aniz died, but no chance of that happening, right?
It's also about time Alexis' mother was mentioned.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 30, 2011, 06:33:37 AM
Not at this time, no. We may implement something after the forum gets updated to the newer version of SMF, but since that's still beta, we're in no rush.
[spoiler=Mwahahahahaha]
Okay, so that was easier than I thought. Enjoy!
[/spoiler]
Wait a sec...
The comic is set in 1990?
Killed by by Quintinga Ti'fiona, interesting. I guess we know what happened to him now... OR DO WE?
(warning: crazy speculation inbound)
Ok, so here's what suspect may have happened. The information if fake, in fact there is no Quintinga Ti'fiona or isn't any more but rather Aniz who had taken his place after killing him (Identically to what happened to Cid). After failing to ho have a cubi child (Edward) he killed it and took it's place (hey he is crazy, it's possible).
Now we come to the Edward-Anzi theory which every one knows whit Aniz popping up and telling Dan that "I am your father" but one large difference is that unlike Abel who had no training Dan no has received training from Abel, which brings me to the point of the reason why Abel came whit Dan after Fa'lina had a secret chat whit him. Abel may have thought Aniz dead like the rest of the world does but Fa'lina told him otherwise and he then came for one of two reasons:
1. That Dan doesn't suffer the same fate as he did.
2. In hopes of finding his Father, whether it is in hopes of revenge or otherwise.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 30, 2011, 06:58:56 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 30, 2011, 06:33:37 AM
Not at this time, no. We may implement something after the forum gets updated to the newer version of SMF, but since that's still beta, we're in no rush.
[spoiler=Mwahahahahaha]
Okay, so that was easier than I thought. Enjoy!
[/spoiler]
Now I have to wonder, what have I/we unleashed?
[spoiler=Spoiler text]
Vast paragraphs of spoiler text that's what.
Something else for rules to be set down about. But, if used responsibly it could be used to cut down massive posts, so that only people who really want to read it can and it doesn't clog the forum.
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Quote from: Garsemor on January 30, 2011, 07:08:18 AM
Killed by by Quintinga Ti'fiona, interesting. I guess we know what happened to him now... OR DO WE?
(warning: crazy speculation inbound)
Ok, so here's what suspect may have happened. The information if fake, in fact there is no Quintinga Ti'fiona or isn't any more but rather Aniz who had taken his place after killing him (Identically to what happened to Cid). After failing to ho have a cubi child (Edward) he killed it and took it's place (hey he is crazy, it's possible).
What the hell are you smoking? Look at Alexsi's cast page. Quintinga was her MOTHER. So Aniz killing her and taking her place so that he could get Edward pregnant isn't likely to work. Now, I know that Aniz is supposed to have gone insane, but really, there are limits on his insanity, here.
Sheesh. Basic identification, guys. Is it really that hard to figure out which ones are girls and which ones are guys?
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 30, 2011, 07:22:53 AM
What the hell are you smoking? Look at Alexsi's cast page. Quintinga was her MOTHER. So Aniz killing her and taking her place so that he could get Edward pregnant isn't likely to work. Now, I know that Aniz is supposed to have gone insane, but really, there are limits on his insanity, here.
Sheesh. Basic identification, guys. Is it really that hard to figure out which ones are girls and which ones are guys?
Well there goes my Theory, oh well. Untill next we meet, muahaHAHAHA. (also there needs to be a ninja vanish emot)
Okay, this is kinda confusing.
Around 1963 Alexsi was born, around 1965 Dan was born.
In that short space of time:
Alexsi's mother killed Aniz (1964).
Alexi's mother died. (Battle injuries? Too obvious?)
Edward "by chance" meets Destina (Who just HAPPENED to be a mortal enemy of Aniz?)
Edward marries Destina (Wha? Less than 2 years [probably a lot less], that's certainly taking "you need to move on" to heart)
Dan is conceived (whoa, wasted no time getting back in the saddle)
This... is a lot of events to be taking place around the same time. DMFA does have coincidences but not like this.
You know, on reflection, there may be one detail above that I'm wrong about. There's nothing specifically saying Edward and Destina meet during that short period of time. The flashbacks doesn't anchor the meeting to any particular time and is ambigous the amount of time between the meeting and marrying. I wonder if I'm onto something with that line of thought?
Quote from: Sofox on January 30, 2011, 07:00:28 AM
Wait a sec...
The comic is set in 1990?
Yeah, I'd love to know how the calendar works. The significance of the name or other descriptor after the year, for instance...
I guess the big question from this comic is whether Aniz actually is dead or whether he pulled another Cid and disposed of Quintinga to help cover up. Either way it's not good, since it either means that Aniz is dead and never recovered/made up with Dee, or Aniz faked his death and Dan has
two psychos for parents.
If Aniz is dead, I still cannot understand what Dee saw in Edward, or why she wanted to de-soul him.
Anyway, while this strip is pure speculation fodder, I'm going to try and leave it there to try not to annoy Mao too much.
I actually never thought Alexis Biological mother would play any part in this comic, and then THIS is reveled? :.
Quote from: Sofox on January 30, 2011, 07:36:53 AM
Okay, this is kinda confusing.
Around 1963 Alexsi was born, around 1965 Dan was born.
In that short space of time:
Alexsi's mother killed Aniz (1964).
Alexi's mother died. (Battle injuries? Too obvious?)
Edward "by chance" meets Destina (Who just HAPPENED to be a mortal enemy of Aniz?)
Edward marries Destina (Wha? Less than 2 years [probably a lot less], that's certainly taking "you need to move on" to heart)
I believe the number of two months (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_298.php) was bandied about.
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 30, 2011, 07:45:49 AM
Yeah, I'd love to know how the calendar works. The significance of the name or other descriptor after the year, for instance...
Place name, I figured. The stilted phrasing is Macy reading it off the screen, as one does. It's people who interpret things, and she hasn't been taught how yet.
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 30, 2011, 07:45:49 AM
I guess the big question from this comic is whether Aniz actually is dead or whether he pulled another Cid and disposed of Quintinga to help cover up. Either way it's not good, since it either means that Aniz is dead and never recovered/made up with Dee, or Aniz faked his death and Dan has two psychos for parents.
Well, Abel was registered in Zinvth; the soul-stone thingy, if you recall, that Kria handed to him. I would guess that Aniz, in his Cid guise, was similarly registered, and that, once it was known who the heck he
really was, Kria would have edited his file and hence they could tell if Aniz showed up with someone else's head and claimed it was his.
And since Kria definitely wants Aniz' head on a platter, you can bet she'd be testing that very carefully.
Secondly, as I mentioned above, why would he take the place of someone female? It's not like he could impregnate Ed. The most he could get out of it would be a couple months free to run for it, which I spose is slightly helpful. But he still has to come up with a way of getting out of being Quintinga, without leaving someone wondering where her corpse went. And... since Ed married Dee, one would presume that he was certain that his previous wife, Quinnie, was deceased.
Otherwise, what's going to happen? She come home from adventuring and finding him in bed with a succubi? That'd go down well...
At first I read it as "Quain'tana." I began to postulate on the effects of Alexi having an aggressive Drowtales mercenary Queen for a mother and what that would mean for the Ti'Fiona family.
I'm just gonna' pretend I didn't reread the comic because something clearly wasn't right in what I had read; having Quain'tana as her mom makes Alexi a lot more interesting.
:,
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 30, 2011, 08:33:25 AM
I believe the number of two months (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_298.php) was bandied about.
Dargh. And it screws up my line of thought as well.
Though if I want to be pedantic (and being that I'm posting details about a webcomic on an internet forum that's a given), I was referring to time after Edward's first(?) wife dies, not after he first meets Destina.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 30, 2011, 08:33:25 AM
Place name, I figured. The stilted phrasing is Macy reading it off the screen, as one does. It's people who interpret things, and she hasn't been taught how yet.
I wasn't so sure - it would mean that Abel was born and registered at Zinvth in the same location, which doesn't work for me.
QuoteWell, Abel was registered in Zinvth; the soul-stone thingy, if you recall, that Kria handed to him. I would guess that Aniz, in his Cid guise, was similarly registered, and that, once it was known who the heck he really was, Kria would have edited his file and hence they could tell if Aniz showed up with someone else's head and claimed it was his.
And since Kria definitely wants Aniz' head on a platter, you can bet she'd be testing that very carefully.
That only works if Quintinga claimed the bounty. If it was a chance encounter, she probably wouldn't even know there was one.
QuoteSecondly, as I mentioned above, why would he take the place of someone female?
Okay, evidently I'll have to clarify my earlier point. I'm not suggesting he did, I'm suggesting he became Edward. We don't know how Quintinga died - it might have been from her injuries. But if she's dead, she isn't going to notice that Edward isn't quite the same. It would be very, very convenient if she wasn't around anymore.
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 30, 2011, 08:58:46 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 30, 2011, 08:33:25 AM
Place name, I figured. The stilted phrasing is Macy reading it off the screen, as one does. It's people who interpret things, and she hasn't been taught how yet.
I wasn't so sure - it would mean that Abel was born and registered at Zinvth in the same location, which doesn't work for me.
I presume that that's "moved here from Zelith", not "is living in Zelith"; we don't have a registered line for May or Aniz, so we can't compare that, though.
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 30, 2011, 08:58:46 AM
QuoteSecondly, as I mentioned above, why would he take the place of someone female?
Okay, evidently I'll have to clarify my earlier point. I'm not suggesting he did, I'm suggesting he became Edward. We don't know how Quintinga died - it might have been from her injuries. But if she's dead, she isn't going to notice that Edward isn't quite the same. It would be very, very convenient if she wasn't around anymore.
It still doesn't explain why Aniz would hide himself from Destania, why Destania would rename herself to Dee, and why on earth Aniz would have a child with any other Cubi, since almost anyone he did that with, the child wouldn't be Siar, it'd be the other Cubi's clan. Nor does it cover why Dee stuck with his cover. Nor why the Dragon's "have him", rather than just killing him out of hand. Nor does it cover why Dee didn't see through his cover.
And killing Quintinga isn't on his modus operandi anyway - he hid who he was from May for 24 years, why shouldn't he do the same with her? I mean, he can read her mind, for crying out loud. If not while she's awake, he can certainly go in there when she's asleep. May didn't suspect a thing. Why should Quintinga be any different? No motive, no gain. In fact, he has a solid motive for _not_ killing her - he could easily have a child with her, and said child would be just a little bit early for going to SAIA.
I have to say, the whole Ed/Aniz theory? Very weak. Very weak indeed.
Hmmmmm... then again being caught trying to kill and replace her husband might have been what got her ire up.
At the very least she must have thought she made the kill. Maybe it was a failed attempt to try and pull a Cid. After all talking how wonderful, kind, and sweet Quintinga was, could mislead him to believe that she was another perfect May like relationship in the making. All right up to the attempted and the hammer fall on Aniz's head when she catches up with them seeing Aniz trying to take Edwards soul.
Edward seemed like a person that explained things in interesting ways.
*throws muffin at Amber*
Well played .. well played indeed !
Everyone seems to have forgotten about Chibi Abel and now he shall take over .. THE WORLD ! :U
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 30, 2011, 09:17:33 AM
I have to say, the whole Ed/Aniz theory? Very weak. Very weak indeed.
At this point I'd be inclined to agree.
However, the fact that Destania married Edward at all makes no sense whatsoever with our current understanding.
It took Aniz decades to get anywhere with her and by all accounts she closed up even worse after Aniz left her.
Then some random Being she tried to kill was not only able to stop her killing them, but get to the point of marrying her in two months, which Aniz never managed to do in several centuries. If a fanfic writer wrote this, they'd be laughed out of town.
I cannot easily believe that this happened without a good reason, and for all its faults, the Edward-Aniz theory solved that problem. If that's not what happened, it's going to be interesting to find out what did.
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on January 30, 2011, 10:07:48 AM
*throws muffin at Amber*
Well played .. well played indeed !
Everyone seems to have forgotten about Chibi Abel and now he shall take over .. THE WORLD ! :U
Notice this is not the first time that Gummi bears have been brought into the story.
I seem to remember a certain song being song to Dan while fighting dark pegasus.
Okay Not to Spoil the wild speculations but....
It's this the public record, or real record of Aniz's dead....I remember that Fa' lina seems to think that, he was alive somewhere... Oh Fa' lina doesn't know where, but she seem to be acting like, he would be returning with another kid to SAIA, soon. And push Abel out into the world.
Also Quintinga....Who? I must have missed the comic when Alexsi's mother was named. Oh I know she was an Amazon and all. And she die two years before Destania shows up. mmmmm.
What was it that make Abel so admirer Dan in the first place.? Well not Dan per say, but his dad...?
Edit--
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 30, 2011, 10:09:39 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 30, 2011, 09:17:33 AM
I have to say, the whole Ed/Aniz theory? Very weak. Very weak indeed.
At this point I'd be inclined to agree.
However, the fact that Destania married Edward at all makes no sense whatsoever with our current understanding.
.....
Aniz being Edward would be awkward in the fact that DAN grew up to be an Being friendly Adventurer who kills Monsters and Demons
PBH
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 30, 2011, 09:17:33 AM
I have to say, the whole Ed/Aniz theory? Very weak. Very weak indeed.
Trying to shoot down fan theories with logic and common sense? Good luck. In fact, lots of good luck. You're going to need it. :P
My theory?
Aniz apparently had a run-in with an amazon.
That sucker is
dead. 'Nuff said.
P.S. Hunnydew - Start at Amber's rant. The name Quintinga has been around longer than I can remember.
So I guess the gummy bear is another part of Abel's dream?
Anyway, whether or not this connects with the Edward/Aniz thing (whether Aniz actually is dead or people just think he's dead), I think this might explain why and how Abel reacted when Ink mentioned Edward (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_527.php).
Quote from: Sofox on January 30, 2011, 07:36:53 AM
Around 1963 Alexsi was born, around 1965 Dan was born.
In that short space of time:
Alexsi's mother killed Aniz (1964).
Alexi's mother died. (Battle injuries? Too obvious?)
Edward "by chance" meets Destina (Who just HAPPENED to be a mortal enemy of Aniz?)
Edward marries Destina (Wha? Less than 2 years [probably a lot less], that's certainly taking "you need to move on" to heart)
Dan is conceived (whoa, wasted no time getting back in the saddle)
This... is a lot of events to be taking place around the same time. DMFA does have coincidences but not like this.
Timelines aside, I do recall Dan mentioning something about most adventurers being retired/ dead by 25 (or something like that)...Edward had to move quickly, in the interest of accomplishing something...Either that, or it's just major plot convenience :)
* Mental overload from recent amounts of cute and speculation causing information.*
Gamma's brain is not in at the moment, please leave a message after the tone.
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... Oink!
But seriously I had to gush about the cute for a moment.
And, sorry but I'm not going to add to the speculatory bonfire at the moment. I'll just see how it all plays out in comic.
It could make sense - He obviously skulked somewhere around the Ti'Fiona family , Alexsi's mother (possibly, could have been some grandparent even) killed him, then Destania took notice he was seen, tracked him, and the events described took place
Quote from: VAE on January 30, 2011, 11:16:51 AM
Alexsi's mother (possibly, could have been some grandparent even) killed him
Alexsi's mother was called Quintinga (see her cast page).
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 30, 2011, 11:26:59 AM
Quote from: VAE on January 30, 2011, 11:16:51 AM
Alexsi's mother (possibly, could have been some grandparent even) killed him
Alexsi's mother was called Quintinga (see her cast page).
That makes my hypothesis even more likely.
Thanks!
Quote from: Shachza on January 30, 2011, 08:34:38 AM
At first I read it as "Quain'tana."
:mwaha
Actually.. I read it the same way.. Then I thought "Wait... What? Re read that carefully"
:mowsmile
But now this makes me wonder why Able is so keen on helping Dan? I mean, he has NO real connection with Quintinga aside from having the same last name.. Able should be more interested in helping Alexsi than Dan.. in my Oppinion..
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 30, 2011, 07:22:53 AMWhat the hell are you smoking? Look at Alexsi's cast page. Quintinga was her MOTHER.
Geeze, llearch, pounce and maul much? I've been reading this comic for years now, and even I didn't remember what Alexi's Mother's name was. (And yes,
now I see that it is hinted at in the Rant o' Update, but I didn't read that till now) Could have been a little nicer in pointing out this bit of off hand information
(BTW I found out who she was by instantly jumping to the cast page and looking at Dan's, then going to Alexi's and seeing the name their)
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 30, 2011, 08:58:46 AM
\ I'm not suggesting he did, I'm suggesting he became Edward. We don't know how Quintinga died - it might have been from her injuries. But if she's dead, she isn't going to notice that Edward isn't quite the same. It would be very, very convenient if she wasn't around anymore.
This would also be convenient for Destania. She loved Aniz more than anything else in her life. If given the opportunity to reunite with him (probably her reason for leaving SAIA in the first place), I think she would take it in a second. As wonderful as new love is, centuries old love is stronger.
As to Aniz slashing her face when he left, recall that she is the teacher of torture and pain. Also remember the look she gave as Aniz was leaving (http://missmab.com/Comics/Ab_058.php). One little scratch isn't going to deter her from her goal.
*Charles creates another, totally logical, fan-spec* THE GUMMI BEAR IS ANIZ!!! HE LIVES IN ABEL'S BRAINZ!!! D:
Quote from: Alondro on January 30, 2011, 12:19:44 PM
*Charles creates another, totally logical, fan-spec* THE GUMMI BEAR IS ANIZ!!! HE LIVES IN ABEL'S BRAINZ!!! D:
SCANDALOUS!
Silly theory time:
Destania hears that Aniz and Quintinga Ti'Fiona has killed eachother, as witnessed by Edward Ti'Fiona. She thinks that Aniz has taken Edward Ti'Fiona's place.
When Destania find herself in trouble later, she seeks out Aniz/Edward hoping for at least basic cubic hospitality.
Her angry look in the middle frame of that comic (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_298.php) was because "Aniz" pretended not to know her. Later she discoveres that Edward is not Aniz, but just the being he appears to be. Still he treated her with such hospitality.
His chivalry moves her to love. One things leads to another and Dan.
In other news, Abels dreams are the utter and complete cuteness. :mowhappy
Quote from: Alondro on January 30, 2011, 12:19:44 PM
*Charles creates another, totally logical, fan-spec* THE GUMMI BEAR IS ANIZ!!! HE LIVES IN ABEL'S BRAINZ!!! D:
NOW I know what all this Aniz fan-speculation reminds me of:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lq3DEt5SEqg#t=6m18s
(They're hunting an alien who can turn into anything)
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 30, 2011, 07:45:49 AM
Yeah, I'd love to know how the calendar works. The significance of the name or other descriptor after the year, for instance...
I guess the big question from this comic is whether Aniz actually is dead or whether he pulled another Cid and disposed of Quintinga to help cover up. Either way it's not good, since it either means that Aniz is dead and never recovered/made up with Dee, or Aniz faked his death and Dan has two psychos for parents.
I imagine the name after the year would be the name of the ruler of Zinvth at the time. That's how some ancient civilizations denoted the year, though it was usually "in the 19th year of the reign of Rameses II". By keeping this date system, however, it helps in understanding the timeline.
I'm less and less inclined to think that Aniz became Edward. I would think that, no matter if Aniz used an magical artifact to hide his Cubi features, Destania would have been able to detect that he was a Cubi. Still leaves plenty of questions, though. You know... this is helping with my Lost withdrawal.
And I MUST have a chibi Abel!!! Ky00t!!!
In response to the dating name thing, maybe those are months? I don't know if there's ever been a reference to our Roman calendar in the canon, but it could also be like during the French Revolution where they made their own calendar, just this one's lasted for much much longer.
Quote from: Sofox on January 30, 2011, 12:31:02 PM
Quote from: Alondro on January 30, 2011, 12:19:44 PM
*Charles creates another, totally logical, fan-spec* THE GUMMI BEAR IS ANIZ!!! HE LIVES IN ABEL'S BRAINZ!!! D:
NOW I know what all this Aniz fan-speculation reminds me of:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lq3DEt5SEqg#t=6m18s
(They're hunting an alien who can turn into anything)
Appropriately, the creature also feeds on emotions...
Quote from: AxiLarin on January 30, 2011, 12:46:35 PM
I'm less and less inclined to think that Aniz became Edward. I would think that, no matter if Aniz used an magical artifact to hide his Cubi features, Destania would have been able to detect that he was a Cubi.
Yeah, that was the original theory from way back, that she spared him because he was a 'Cubi.
The more recent theory was that Destania was deliberately hunting him, and that this:
http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_298.php
...shows Destania catching up with the man who ditched her.
How likely that is now? No idea. I wouldn't rule it out as impossible, but as of this strip it becomes rather more convoluted, and therefore less likely.
I wonder if Abel's current dream is a reward from an interested party (Mab, Fa'lina, Dest, Cyra) for the help he has already given Dan, or to stop him going over the edge after his recent issues.
..............(shocked, but something tugs at her mind) Sayitnosayitnosayitnosayitnonono-
Amazon killed the Incubus, Siar? :3
(hits self in head)
Nope, Falina stated in Abel's Story pt. 2 that the dragon Hizell killed Siar, along with the rest of her clan save Aniz and those two that defected. Unless I'm remembering wrong (which is entirely likely.)
And I'm still hoping we'll get a little more insight as to what made Dee go from "lower mandible piercing psycho" to "Momma's lil angel Dan".
Aww I was all hoping for the "Abel's an all around dick these days because he got his revenge and found out he felt no better as a result" reveal.
Quote from: Black_angel on January 30, 2011, 01:46:26 PM
..............(shocked, but something tugs at her mind) Sayitnosayitnosayitnosayitnonono-
Amazon killed the Incubus, Siar? :3
(hits self in head)
Omg I almost shot soda out of my nose once I got this... :giggle
So what are the odds of Lorenda walking in this cute scene and trying to take a bite out of dream Abel?
Let's face it, this scene is sweet like candy. :3
Quote from: Katero on January 30, 2011, 02:30:55 PM
Nope, Falina stated in Abel's Story pt. 2 that the dragon Hizell killed Siar, along with the rest of her clan save Aniz and those two that defected. Unless I'm remembering wrong (which is entirely likely.)
And I'm still hoping we'll get a little more insight as to what made Dee go from "lower mandible piercing psycho" to "Momma's lil angel Dan".
Yeah, I know. I was talking about Aniz. He was killed by Alexsi's mum, the Amazon. And I'm a little curious about what exactly changed her as well.
Quote from: D'ymkarra on January 30, 2011, 02:55:32 PM
Quote from: Black_angel on January 30, 2011, 01:46:26 PM
..............(shocked, but something tugs at her mind) Sayitnosayitnosayitnosayitnonono-
Amazon killed the Incubus, Siar? :3
(hits self in head)
Omg I almost shot soda out of my nose once I got this... :giggle
My work here is done! :B
I see we're all still reaching very hard on the whole "Edward is Aniz!" theory.
And Tape, your attempt was at least noticed, even if you did fail to maintain it for long. :P
Hello. This is my first post.
But it just seems off that Edward could be Aniz.
One, Edward is Alexsi's father, wouldn't she be a cubi then?
Two, If its really aniz/Destania that are Dan's parents then Dan's a full cubi and wouldn't that meant he cubi traits would have been there from day 1?
I think I'm getting this right from re-reading Fluffy's Demo 101, but I would like some help on it.
Quote from: Mao Laoren on January 30, 2011, 03:50:13 PM
And Tape, your attempt was at least noticed, even if you did fail to maintain it for long. :P
I dunno... I could have said a
lot more...
So, to all appearances (and disregarding the possibility of any form of Aniz trickery)...
While Destania was tormenting Abel in SAIA, her future husband's current wife was killing Abel's evil father who is also her ex-boyfriend?
...My head hurts. And it's awesome. *grabs a chibi Abel to snuggle and some candy and waits for the next reveal on Days of Our Cubi*
Whoa!
* imagines a hammer-wielding Amazon striking Aniz down in an epic duel *
Awesome.
By the way, I love the dissonance between the dramatic reveal text and the cutesy dream art.
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 30, 2011, 04:16:30 PM
I dunno... I could have said a lot more...
Let's not and say we did, hmm?
Arg, I need to stop looking at these last few pages. Going to die from cute... Also.. comic needs more M.A.C.E.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 30, 2011, 07:22:53 AMLook at Alexsi's cast page. Quintinga was her MOTHER.
I guess some of us haven't looked at that since the last cast updates to see that new information.
If Quintinga killed Aniz, why would Abel care much about
Edward's son (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_527.php)?
QuoteSheesh. Basic identification, guys. Is it really that hard to figure out which ones are girls and which ones are guys?
Well, when names are made up or from unfamiliar ethnicities, they don't tend to imply one gender or the other. I don't recall Alexsi's mother ever being named before this in the comic.
I was thinking they were locations (city, town, village, county, etc.).
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 30, 2011, 10:09:39 AM
It took Aniz decades to get anywhere with her and by all accounts she closed up even worse after Aniz left her.
Then some random Being she tried to kill was not only able to stop her killing them, but get to the point of marrying her in two months, which Aniz never managed to do in several centuries.
It can make a big difference if you read minds and the target has no mind shield and is in love with you.
Quote from: Ghostwish on January 30, 2011, 10:30:12 AM
P.S. Hunnydew - Start at Amber's rant. The name Quintinga has been around longer than I can remember.
I frequently don't think to scroll down to the (out of sight) rant.
Quote from: Katero on January 30, 2011, 02:30:55 PMAnd I'm still hoping we'll get a little more insight as to what made Dee go from "lower mandible piercing psycho" to "Momma's lil angel Dan".
"Momma's lil angel" did it. :mowwink
Quote from: Igiul283 on January 30, 2011, 03:56:50 PMBut it just seems off that Edward could be Aniz.
One, Edward is Alexsi's father, wouldn't she be a cubi then?
Not necessarily, cubi traits could skip a child. I'm not sure if they could still be passed on to that child's children.
QuoteTwo, If its really aniz/Destania that are Dan's parents then Dan's a full cubi and wouldn't that meant he cubi traits would have been there from day 1?
I think I'm getting this right from re-reading Fluffy's Demo 101, but I would like some help on it.
I don't think it was ever specified how cubi-cubi children work out for their early years, whether they still start as if a being or with cubi abilities from the start.
I sent this earlier as an e-mail to Ambaargh, but figgered I'd throw it into the Lake and see what it stirs up...
Well, I've been sort of pondering the ponderables regarding the history of Furrae, and with the
latest comic, you've given me some real ammo to work with. Thought I'd share what I've come
up with.
c.: Circa
BC: Before Council
PC: Post Council; using the dates given in the latest comic (#1193) in conjunction with info
gleaned from the Cast and Demonology 101 pages, I've figured out that the current year in
Furrae is c. 1990 PCC. Since several characters are much older than that, a logical conclusion is
that the dates given in #1193 represent the time after the creation of the Beings/Creature
Council--a landmark event.
(All dates are purely conjectural...)
-54,730 BC: Nicky (Demon) born
-7298 BC: Fa'Lina (Cubi) born
c. -5010 BC: Cyra (Cubi) born
c. -4000 to -3000 BC: Cyra's ascension as tri-wing, start of Cubi-Dragon War
c. -3000 to -2000 BC: Fall of Clan Fa'Lina, founding of SAIA
0 PC: Founding of Beings/Creature Council (?)
1230 PC: Aliph Soulstealer (Demon, aka. The Dark Pegasus) born
1378 PC: Akaen (Angel) born
1562 PC: Aaryanna (Cubi) born
1562 PC: Kria Soulstealer (Demon) born
1591 PC: Abel Dimitri Rewanz (Cubi) born
1774 PC: Matilda (Mythos) born
1956 PC: Dark Pegasus creates Undead race.
1963 PC: Alexi Ti'Fiona, Merlitz Meshaiko (Beings) born
1965 PC: Daniel Ti'Fiona (Cubi) born
1966 PC: Lorenda Soulstealer (Demon) born
1967 PC: Regina Darkblood (Demon) born
1968 PC: Biggs San, Wildy San born (Beings, twins?)
1969 PC: Jyrras Gianna (Being) born
1990 PC: "Present", Comic #1193
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 30, 2011, 06:04:16 AM
Hehehehehehe. Ambaargh, you is gonna kill us all.
Also: I see that Aniz was 813 or so when he was killed. Interesting. So he managed to skulk around Furrae for 350 or so years without pissing anyone else off enough to manage to end him. Sneaky.
... Anyone else interesting in collating money to pay for a wallpaper?
That's EXACTLY how I wanted to know about him - read in the papers that he's dead, then forget. He doesn't deserve any more then that.
New Motto:
Cry "Gummi Bears!" and let slip the Abels of kyooot!
:mowcookie
I don't know whether it's one of the laws of the internet, but it should be: Don't believe everything that you read on the internet.
The most accurate statement at this time would appear to be: There was a report that Alexsi's mother killed Aniz. Since the report used Ti'Fiona as the last name, there is an implication that she may have been married to Edward at the time.
If the report is false, I see the following possibilities: Quintinga actually believes that she killed Aniz but was mistaken, Quintinga knows that she didn't kill Aniz but filed a false report, somebody else reported that Quintinga killed Aniz and Quintinga didn't deny it. This last case has some of the following subcases: the report was totally fictitious, Quintinga killed somebody else, Quintinga did something else that resulted in the report. One could prepare a fairly substantial tree of candidate hypothesis. (Actually, the tree above does need some better arranging, but it serves as a starting point.)
More information is required and will presumably be forthcoming in the future.
I think the qualifiers "zelith," "katith" and "dekith" mean months. The ending "-ith" reminds me of "-ber" for December, November, October, etc.
Feel free to ignore the following crazy rambling.
OUTLANDISH THEORY TIME: There never was an amazon named Quintinga. There was only Destania, pretending to be an Amazon and calling herself Quintinga, to catch Aniz off guard. He would never have suspected that an Amazon being would be any threat to him, and that's why Destania succeeded. She fell in love with Edward while she was pretending to be Quintinga (off on her quest after leaving the Academy), and after killing Aniz, decided to see if she could be with him as herself. It also explains why the name "Edward Ti'Fiona" meant anything to Abel back in SAIA - even if Aaryana didn't know that Destania married Edward, it doesn't mean that Fa'Lina didn't know, and then told Abel. And that applies even when my crazy theory isn't true.
It clears up the coincidence of Edward's first wife killing Aniz, but still leaves a lot of questions. I just don't get why Destania allowed herself to become attracted to a being at all, whether she really was wounded in a battle or she was pretending to be an Amazon. She never does anything unless it fulfills one of her goals. Unless her goal the whole time was to have children and up the numbers of clan Cyra.
If Destania is Quintinga, then Aniz-Edward off the table. Destania's not that dull. I am mulling an epileptic trees theory - that after "Quintinga" defeated Aniz, instead of killing him she installed him in Edward's post. Cubi are masters of mind magic, after all. He would have been robbed of his identity and charged with slaying monsters, including his own kind, when before he had been seeking to increase his clan's (and his species') numbers. She would have had to stick around to make sure the magic didn't fail. If she had a child with him, it would certainly have been clan Cyra instead of clan Siar, adding insult to injury. That scenario would have allowed her to be with Aniz and make him suffer at the same time. Still doesn't explain where the original Edward went, but explains why Destania stuck around with some random being and even had a kid with him. It's exactly as convoluted as the best of epileptic trees theories, maybe more.
Quote from: Indy on January 30, 2011, 08:18:11 PM
OUTLANDISH THEORY TIME: There never was an amazon named Quintinga. There was only Destania, pretending to be an Amazon and calling herself Quintinga, to catch Aniz off guard.
Doesn't work, Alexi would be a cubi then. And that was Shot Down (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_306.php).
When I heard that Aniz was killed by an amazon I immediately thought of this (http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=167542&title=death-by-snu-snu).
Quote from: AndersW on January 30, 2011, 09:10:51 PM
Quote from: Indy on January 30, 2011, 08:18:11 PM
OUTLANDISH THEORY TIME: There never was an amazon named Quintinga. There was only Destania, pretending to be an Amazon and calling herself Quintinga, to catch Aniz off guard.
Doesn't work, Alexi would be a cubi then. And that was Shot Down (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_306.php).
When I heard that Aniz was killed by an amazon I immediately thought of this (http://www.comedycentral.com/videos/index.jhtml?videoId=167542&title=death-by-snu-snu).
Funny, but when heard about what Alexis mom did to Aniz I was thinking more along these lines http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gasAFyonmmI .
Good night everyone. I need to sleep.
Time for me to throw in a few random observations.
1. Amazons are not a race, they are a society, of the hand full we've seen, one is a dragon, one a mythos, one a being, and one was an undead. So, maybe Quintinga was a being, maybe she was a Succubus, maybe something else, we don't have any image to go by.
2. Cubi-Being crossings don't always result in a Cubi, just usually.
3. I've pointed out before that Alexsi and Dan have an amazingly strong family resemblance for step half-siblings. I grant that that could just be the luck of genetic recombination, even the improbable is still possible. But the "Quintinga was Destinia" hypothesis seems more likely. Not that I insist on it.
Edit: :) Thanks for the correction, Maark30
Quote from: inuhanyo on January 30, 2011, 09:38:35 PM
Time for me to throw in a few random observations.
3. I've pointed out before that Alexsi and Dan have an amazingly strong family resemblance for step-siblings. I grant that that could just be the luck of genetic recombination, even the improbable is still possible. But the "Quintinga was Destinia" hypothesis seems more likely. Not that I insist on it.
They are not Step siblings, they are half siblings. Edward is both of their father. The likeness is very likely in this case as well as the fact they they are feline not human.
I am thinking more to the idea that Quintinga and Edward took out Aniz but she died and Edward gave her all the credit for the kill knowing that it is bad business to kill a Cubi but it is a great achievement and honor to the Amazon culture that she was from. Destania went to the inn to see the beings that killed Aniz and pulled a "By my Laws" ploy to see his reaction. In that instant she saw the truth of what happened and Edwards feelings about his late wife and his infant daughter. In that instant she was hit with a flood of his positive emotions and it helped her remember what life was like for the centuries she was with Aniz. She fell in love with Edward in that moment and since beings live such short lives (compared to Cubi at least) she didn't want to waste a minute. This is the same reason why she is so loving to Alexis as she raised her. :mowcookie
This is just a theory though. :mowtongue
I'm in on the "words after the years are the names of rulers" theory. That's what I thought at first, anyway. It's possible, but it seems unlikely, that Abel and May were both born and Abel was registered as a citizen in Zinvth in the same month of different years. Those events are the closest together chronologically, so it makes sense that they all took place within the same demon's(?) reign. I guess we'll find out!
Oh before I forget to mention this, Amber this is the cutest image I have ever seen. The whole arch your back and pounce bit was so kitten cute. Great job there. :kirby
Quote from: Naldru on January 30, 2011, 08:13:20 PM
If the report is false, I see the following possibilities: Quintinga actually believes that she killed Aniz but was mistaken, Quintinga knows that she didn't kill Aniz but filed a false report, somebody else reported that Quintinga killed Aniz and Quintinga didn't deny it. This last case has some of the following subcases: the report was totally fictitious, Quintinga killed somebody else, Quintinga did something else that resulted in the report. One could prepare a fairly substantial tree of candidate hypothesis. (Actually, the tree above does need some better arranging, but it serves as a starting point.)
You're missing a very key detail about falsified reports and incubi.
Clan marks.
Quickly coming out of lurker mode to note http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1095.php where Abel himself states losing his ability to dream, and now we have this (thankfully friendly) dream. Maybe it's the booze?
As for Aniz/Edward talk and the like I think I will stay out of it, so many theory's, and Amber is a ace at picking ideas no one had even thought up.
Quote from: inuhanyo on January 30, 2011, 09:38:35 PM
Time for me to throw in a few random observations.
1. Amazons are not a race, they are a society, of the hand full we've seen, one is a dragon, one a mythos, one a being, and one was an undead. So, maybe Quintinga was a being, maybe she was a Succubus, maybe something else, we don't have any image to go by.
2. Cubi-Being crossings don't always result in a Cubi, just usually.
3. I've pointed out before that Alexsi and Dan have an amazingly strong family resemblance for step half-siblings. I grant that that could just be the luck of genetic recombination, even the improbable is still possible. But the "Quintinga was Destinia" hypothesis seems more likely. Not that I insist on it.
Edit: :) Thanks for the correction, Maark30
Wait, isn't the result have to do who is stronger so why would you get a being once and then a cubi the next especially in the span of two years unless you think they're equal somehow. (http://www.missmab.com/Demo/HG02.php)
Quote from: Famout on January 30, 2011, 11:15:37 PM
Quickly coming out of lurker mode to note http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1095.php where Abel himself states losing his ability to dream, and now we have this (thankfully friendly) dream. Maybe it's the booze?
Losing the ability to dream might just be another falsehood he was told. The loss of dreaming might be self inflicted and not a must happen event.
OMG!!!! :U Abel is too cute!!! :love3 Squeeeeeeeeee!
For this adorable Abel, Amber deserves a tasty treat herself! :bun :bun :bun
As in regards to the information, I must say I was quite shocked when I read Quintinga's name.... :disbelief ......it really hit me from nowhere, so to speak. I must say I'm glad though that she finally gets an in-comic mention. I hope that soon we actually get to see what Alexi's mom looked like! :eager
And I am willing to bribe for it! ;)
As for all this random theory business, I'm staying out of it; not that I don't have my own opinions, but because I'd rather be surprised by what happens next. :3
I'd get involved in the
Look at the little Abel! Look at the cute little Abel! I wanna see a wallpaper of CUTE...
*Ahem.*
I wonder who the fourth match is going to be.
Dang, I missed quite a party here! Okay, personal input...
My pet theory on the names is centuries. You'll notice all the names occur in different ones. However, the resident ruler thing may have something to it... assuming there's actually A central leader to everything to base the name off of anyway. In a land where people likely to be in power live for millenia... it is surprising that there are three different one over the span of less than 400 years.
Next: Aniz was apparently killed in 1964, this is when Abel was 373 (if I've got this right) which is well over the limit given to Aniz for additional children by Fa'Lina. This makes me wonder if in the 73 or so years Aniz tried for any other children.
As for Aniz/Edward, there are many reasons why this may not be the case, but just about every single one (and by that I mean ACTUALLY every single one) I've seen has a back door to it. Destania would have noticed: despite the pain between the two, she still loves him and it's possible he still loves her. It would hardly be a surprise that upon finding him, when he essentially apologized (hypothetically) for everything, she forgave him and they got married. The fact that Alexsi isn't cubi: the earlier linked comic did NOT shoot that down for all that other things (such as not having wings) do. More importantly, if Aniz was Edward all along, he's a fairly weak cubi so it may not be so surprising his child with even a being was not a cubi. Then later come Dan, his genes would have been overwhelmed by the much stronger ones of Destania. Even in the somewhat farfetched scenario that Destania was Quintinga, it's probably possible for two cubi to have a non-cubi child. I could probably shoot down/find a hole in anything else people come up with.
So I'm not saying this is definitely the case (there's even less evidence for than against), just that it really still is possible. And while I'm not sure if I believe it or not, my plot senses are tingling all over about it being true. This sort of convoluted thing is much what I'd expect from good writers actually.
...
What relatively recent, considering the age of creatures, event marked year zero?
and lo, the Aniz = Edward conspiracy theory is laid to rest.
at long last. >:3
dang, and i got the shirt and everything
(http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lcrrio32SV1qeawszo1_500.jpg)
Quote from: Turnsky on January 31, 2011, 03:05:27 AM
and lo, the Aniz = Edward conspiracy theory is laid to rest.
at long last. >:3
Why do I get the impression of a roach that has had its head cut off?
Quote from: AmberCross on January 31, 2011, 02:33:43 AM
Next: Aniz was apparently killed in 1964, this is when Abel was 373 (if I've got this right) which is well over the limit given to Aniz for additional children by Fa'Lina. This makes me wonder if in the 73 or so years Aniz tried for any other children.
Seventy-six (http://missmab.com/Comics/Ab_014.php), two hundred and seventy-six (http://missmab.com/Comics/Ab_017.php), or three hundred and seventy-five (http://missmab.com/Comics/Ab_018.php) years?
Quote from: Maark30 on January 31, 2011, 12:17:51 AM
Quote from: Famout on January 30, 2011, 11:15:37 PM
Quickly coming out of lurker mode to note http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1095.php where Abel himself states losing his ability to dream, and now we have this (thankfully friendly) dream. Maybe it's the booze?
Losing the ability to dream might just be another falsehood he was told. The loss of dreaming might be self inflicted and not a must happen event.
Either that, or Abel has been gifted with dreaming .... by Mab. :U
The strangest thing of all isn't that he might have tried again with Quintinga, or that he might have replaced Edward. Its the fact he tried it with what's possibly could have been an adventuring duo. Both Edward and Quintinga could have had ways to figure out Aniz'x ruse ending in Aniz death and he still might have made the attempt.
If Aniz was making a repeat performance, what gave him the idea it would be healthy for him to try that?
Than again Aniz did have a habit of jumping the gun and Dan's dad did have a way of saying things that could be misinterpreted. Though another possibility is that any big fat bounty placed on his head by Kria might have finally caught up to him (Sometimes you got to knuckle down and repair those holes those drunks leave when you mallet them and that takes cash) and Aniz might have been in the wrong place at the wrong time.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 31, 2011, 08:17:19 AM
Quote from: AmberCross on January 31, 2011, 02:33:43 AM
Next: Aniz was apparently killed in 1964, this is when Abel was 373 (if I've got this right) which is well over the limit given to Aniz for additional children by Fa'Lina. This makes me wonder if in the 73 or so years Aniz tried for any other children.
Seventy-six (http://missmab.com/Comics/Ab_014.php), two hundred and seventy-six (http://missmab.com/Comics/Ab_017.php), or three hundred and seventy-five (http://missmab.com/Comics/Ab_018.php) years?
Well, Aniz hid and waited 373 years and then may have tried to have children a little early, targeting Edward and Quintinga. I think he may have messed up during his attack in doing away with Edward when Qunitinga walks in on it and she takes out Aniz with her instant Hammer. However, Quintinga maybe have been lethally wounded during the battle. And Edward gets some credit of the killing Aniz.
PBH
Quote from: AmberCross on January 31, 2011, 02:33:43 AM
Well, Aniz hid and waited 373 years and then may have tried to have children a little early, targeting Edward and Quintinga. I think he may have messed up during his attack in doing away with Edward when Qunitinga walks in on it and she takes out Aniz with her instant Hammer. However, Quintinga maybe have been lethally wounded during the battle. And Edward gets some credit of the killing Aniz.
PBH
You're right. We don't know if Quintinga survived the fight with Aniz. If the guessed time line (IE: Aniz died ~25 or 26 years ago) is right, then Quintinga might have been killed by Aniz.
If that were the case, then the bounty from Aniz would have gone to Ed. That would have given Edward not only a reason to retire, but also enough money to settle down and start an inn.
This would also mean that Abel's reason for helping Dan is that Aniz' children and allies are after Dan. Not to mention Destania's enemies.
There's also a chance that Ed was replaced by Aniz before Quintinga met him and that Quintinga freed an imprisoned Ed by killing Aniz. Thus, giving Quintinga an ally and lover while setting up the revenge killing of Quintinga by Aniz' children.
But, I think my first guess is more likely.
Quote from: Brunhidden on January 31, 2011, 04:13:41 AM
dang, and i got the shirt and everything
(http://29.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lcrrio32SV1qeawszo1_500.jpg)
Win. That shirt is pure unadulterated win.
Quote from: Prof B Hunnydew on January 31, 2011, 10:47:13 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 31, 2011, 08:17:19 AM
Just a wee querrie.
I gathered that Amazons are basicly indepentant orders of warrior women in Furrae. But would they (very basicly) just be specialised adventures? I make the point due to the whole mind shield thing (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_705.php). If so, Quintinga could have a powerful advantage over Aniz. Also, just because she got the fatal blow, does that mean she was hunting solo? Amazons being societies, plus what ever ties she has to other adventures (being married to one and all).
However, all these little question marks in my head cannot destract me from the real issue in this matter.
Dear God! Abel is. Just. So. . . ADORABLE!!!!!
Quote from: Hariman on January 31, 2011, 11:07:27 AM
Quote from: AmberCross on January 31, 2011, 02:33:43 AM
Well, Aniz hid and waited 373 years ...... And Edward gets some credit of the killing Aniz.
PBH
You're right. We don't know if Quintinga survived the fight with Aniz. If the guessed time line (IE: Aniz died ~25 or 26 years ago) is right, then Quintinga might have been killed by Aniz.
If that were the case, then the bounty from Aniz would have gone to Ed. That would have given Edward not only a reason to retire, but also enough money to settle down and start an inn.
This would also mean that Abel's reason for helping Dan is that Aniz' children and allies are after Dan. Not to mention Destania's enemies.
There's also a chance that Ed was replaced by Aniz before Quintinga met him and that Quintinga freed an imprisoned Ed by killing Aniz. Thus, giving Quintinga an ally and lover while setting up the revenge killing of Quintinga by Aniz' children.
But, I think my first guess is more likely.
HEY HEY That was all just my guess... the most likely one maybe but it is STILL JUST A GUESS ANd Aniz would have just kill ED than replace him.
PBH
Quote from: Ghostwish on January 30, 2011, 11:06:05 PM
Quote from: Naldru on January 30, 2011, 08:13:20 PM
If the report is false, I see the following possibilities: Quintinga actually believes that she killed Aniz but was mistaken, Quintinga knows that she didn't kill Aniz but filed a false report, somebody else reported that Quintinga killed Aniz and Quintinga didn't deny it. This last case has some of the following subcases: the report was totally fictitious, Quintinga killed somebody else, Quintinga did something else that resulted in the report. One could prepare a fairly substantial tree of candidate hypothesis. (Actually, the tree above does need some better arranging, but it serves as a starting point.)
You're missing a very key detail about falsified reports and incubi.
Clan marks.
As stated by Kria, cremation works wonders (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_949.php)
I purchased a book on conspiracy theories last week. (The branch of the book store was closing, and it was seventy five percent off. Of course, it could be stated that anybody who listens to conspiracy theories is somewhat off.) I'll have to check the book to see if it has any suggestions for heating up this discussion. A little hotter, and we can use it as a replacement for geothermal energy.
It's been a while since we've had a discussion with over 120 replies. Do you think that this may be the one?
Quote from: Naldru on January 31, 2011, 03:51:16 PM
Quote from: Ghostwish on January 30, 2011, 11:06:05 PM
Quote from: Naldru on January 30, 2011, 08:13:20 PM
If the report is false, I see the following possibilities: Quintinga actually believes that she killed Aniz but was mistaken, Quintinga knows that she didn't kill Aniz but filed a false report, somebody else reported that Quintinga killed Aniz and Quintinga didn't deny it. This last case has some of the following subcases: the report was totally fictitious, Quintinga killed somebody else, Quintinga did something else that resulted in the report. One could prepare a fairly substantial tree of candidate hypothesis. (Actually, the tree above does need some better arranging, but it serves as a starting point.)
You're missing a very key detail about falsified reports and incubi.
Clan marks.
As stated by Kria, cremation works wonders (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_949.php)
I purchased a book on conspiracy theories last week. (The branch of the book store was closing, and it was seventy five percent off. Of course, it could be stated that anybody who listens to conspiracy theories is somewhat off.) I'll have to check the book to see if it has any suggestions for heating up this discussion. A little hotter, and we can use it as a replacement for geothermal energy.
It's been a while since we've had a discussion with over 120 replies. Do you think that this may be the one?
TO INFINITY. AND BEYOND.
I was just sayin' that in a world where there's a ton of these batshit-crazy shapeshifters about, they're going to want very solid evidence on a 'confirmed' kill. Clan marks would be the most obvious way, perhaps some manner of soul identification the next. And given that a lot of folk want him dead something harsh, they'd REALLY want to make sure he's a corpse and not a fake.
Also, about the cremation, I'm pretty sure Kria was telling Dan to stop being a stupid-head and BURN the body, not bury it.
Chibi Abel makes me squee with delight!
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on January 31, 2011, 08:20:02 AM
Quote from: Maark30 on January 31, 2011, 12:17:51 AM
Quote from: Famout on January 30, 2011, 11:15:37 PM
Quickly coming out of lurker mode to note http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1095.php where Abel himself states losing his ability to dream, and now we have this (thankfully friendly) dream. Maybe it's the booze?
Losing the ability to dream might just be another falsehood he was told. The loss of dreaming might be self inflicted and not a must happen event.
Either that, or Abel has been gifted with dreaming .... by Mab. :U
Which would mean that he is the one that still has a boon from her as she mentioned to her daughter in http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1035.php (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1035.php). Either that or she granted Abel a new boon as she befriended him.
I believe it was mentioned that Cubi loose their ability to dream as they practice their more... 'invasive' mental powers. Abel doesn't seem the type to get-off on gallivanting inside other's heads and he's also lost the habit of sleeping by the time Dan first meets him, it could be Abel simply assumed he'd lost the ability just after all those centuries and hadn't bothered testing it until all the stress and such from his new situation caused him to need Real Rest for the first time in way too long.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 31, 2011, 08:17:19 AM
Quote from: AmberCross on January 31, 2011, 02:33:43 AM
Next: Aniz was apparently killed in 1964, this is when Abel was 373 (if I've got this right) which is well over the limit given to Aniz for additional children by Fa'Lina. This makes me wonder if in the 73 or so years Aniz tried for any other children.
Seventy-six (http://missmab.com/Comics/Ab_014.php), two hundred and seventy-six (http://missmab.com/Comics/Ab_017.php), or three hundred and seventy-five (http://missmab.com/Comics/Ab_018.php) years?
Oh... Oh. Hot dang, totally forgot about her 'make or break' offer extending the time limit thing. That means he'd have to wait until Abel is 399 before submitting another child. Though if he wanted a head start he could time it so that his next child would hit cubi age just about then. So a year ago in comic time would be... right about when Dan got his wings. Plot senses... still tingling... O_o This is just like one of those things that feels like way too big a coincidence to be coincidental, despite the fact that since this was also Destania's child, if she caught up with him he'd have other worries than when to give birth to another child. Unless it just also wouldn't matter since it would also be Destania's child who wouldn't have a ban limit. Dammit brain, stop speculating! >.<
Quote from: Prof B Hunnydew on January 31, 2011, 01:42:26 PM
Quote from: Hariman on January 31, 2011, 11:07:27 AM
Quote from: AmberCross on January 31, 2011, 02:33:43 AM
Well, Aniz hid and waited 373 years ...... And Edward gets some credit of the killing Aniz.
PBH
You're right. We don't know if Quintinga survived the fight with Aniz. If the guessed time line (IE: Aniz died ~25 or 26 years ago) is right, then Quintinga might have been killed by Aniz.
If that were the case, then the bounty from Aniz would have gone to Ed. That would have given Edward not only a reason to retire, but also enough money to settle down and start an inn.
This would also mean that Abel's reason for helping Dan is that Aniz' children and allies are after Dan. Not to mention Destania's enemies.
There's also a chance that Ed was replaced by Aniz before Quintinga met him and that Quintinga freed an imprisoned Ed by killing Aniz. Thus, giving Quintinga an ally and lover while setting up the revenge killing of Quintinga by Aniz' children.
But, I think my first guess is more likely.
HEY HEY That was all just my guess... the most likely one maybe but it is STILL JUST A GUESS ANd Aniz would have just kill ED than replace him.
PBH
But but but I"m playing The Update Game! You're supposed to latch on to theories and run with them for the amusement of the author and other fans when playing The Update Game.
That's what makes it so fun!
I'm just not sure how likely it is that Ed was replaced by Aniz. I'm even less sure of whether or not Destania and Aniz would make up if they met each other again.
Further speculation would seem pointless without more information about the nature of the reports in the data base. (Who filed the reports and what evidence was presented to back them up.)
However, I'll do it anyway.
Wasn't there a theory at one time that Edward might have been Aniz's son. This would mean that he would have given up on entering his son in the academy until he was fifty or so.
Given that there could have been friction between in-laws and the lack of stability for Aniz, Aniz could have tried to kill his daughter-in-law. This would have resulted in a grand battle, perhaps with Edward joining in on the side of his wife. In that case, it would be reasonable for Destania to desire confirmation of Aniz's death and to be interested in what kind of person his son was. (Marrying his ex-boyfriend's son could be considered a little kinky, but I don't know if that would have bothered Destania. Didn't Queen Elizabeth I do something like that?)
Abel would then have been interested in the son of Edward Ti'Fiona because Dan would have been his relative, although I don't know what that relationship would be named. (step-nephew?)
Well, if further speculation is useless, then I shall interrupt this thread with some CUTE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gyY5kN5IjA) ! :januscat
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on February 01, 2011, 05:47:41 PM
Well, if further speculation is useless, then I shall interrupt this thread with some CUTE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gyY5kN5IjA) ! :januscat
AWWWWW!!!
Not as cute as Chibi Abel but still AWWWWWW!!!! :mowcookie
Speaking of cute, I believe you've all missed the really important thing in the current comic: How the in the world can Abel fall asleep inside his own dream?
I claim a hidden Inception reference. :O
Also, my friend, you don't think big enough (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drq_ww7Ytzw). :D
Big is good, but cute can also come in small (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsqGT5c30-Y) packages (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hD5x033ZPnk)! :D
They can also be had in adolescent stereo (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eN6S3_NOCUo) and finally talking cats (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1JynBEX_kg8).
Think we ned more cute ? :)
The sleeping in the dream Abel is going to wake up to a recursive waking up to being crushed by Anvils.
seems like me and amber live in/around the same part of Canada o.o snow storm be raging over here too.
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on February 01, 2011, 09:01:18 PM
Think we ned more cute ? :)
needz moar cyoot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87MqhisicL0).
I'll see your kitten, and raise you a bunny. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04RZrf3-Mgo)
Naldru - Ya know, that's the first theory I've heard of that could plausibly put Aniz anywhere in Dan's family. And really, the way Dee dresses, you can tell she's into kinks. ;)
Quote from: Corgatha Taldorthar on February 02, 2011, 12:15:33 PM
I'll see your kitten, and raise you a bunny. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04RZrf3-Mgo)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D19Vyxu72yI
Yours doesn't even have a pancake on it's head. ;-]
Quote from: Ghostwish on February 02, 2011, 12:39:29 PM
Naldru - Ya know, that's the first theory I've heard of that could plausibly put Aniz anywhere in Dan's family. And really, the way Dee dresses, you can tell she's into kinks. ;)
AH No Aniz was (if the report is true) kill before Dee got anywhere near Edward and Alexsi, Naldru.... And why would Aniz go anywhere near Edward if he was his son. You forget a Cubi to be baby would have one set of wings at birth or they are just a non-cubi baby. Aniz has a rep for abandoning his non-cubi children at birth.
And another thing, Dan and Alexsi look alike because they are half-bro and half-sister, and because Half-Cubi will look like the non-cubi parent with Cubi traits over that. So If Alexsi looks like their father, and Dan must like Edward, than Dan and Alexsi will look like brother and sister.
And Dee dresses ah well... ah better than some people.
PBH
Quote from: Prof B Hunnydew on February 02, 2011, 01:03:26 PM
And why would Aniz go anywhere near Edward if he was his son.
Am I to understand that somebody is accusing Aniz of rational and consistent thought processes?
Quote from: Naldru on February 02, 2011, 01:32:18 PM
Quote from: Prof B Hunnydew on February 02, 2011, 01:03:26 PM
And why would Aniz go anywhere near Edward if he was his son.
Am I to understand that somebody is accusing Aniz of rational and consistent thought processes?
Now
that is scandalous. ;)
Quote from: Prof B Hunnydew on February 02, 2011, 01:03:26 PM
Aniz has a rep for abandoning his non-cubi children at birth.
Whoa, Aniz has kids other than Abel? This is new to me. Is there a specific comic or forum post referencing this? (As you can see, I'm kinda new to the forums, though I've been enjoying DMFA for years now...) Unless you're suggesting he's Devin's father, which I've read as a theory but don't know if it has been confirmed. Judging by his coloration, I assumed Dev was from Angel lineage, seeing as how that race is dying out.
Though, Aniz having other children wouldn't surprise me much, and I think might be a real possibility if he really
is dead. Abel's cast profile says he's from a nearly extinct clan, and that its members are scattered. I take that to mean there is at least one other Siar Clan cubi in Furrae somewhere. (Then again, since the cast pages are being redone, his page might just be outdated and that info will change once Amber updates his profile.)
It's a reference to an unproven theory that Aniz is also the father of Devin, as per Devin's flashback in Abel's Story (part one, somewhere towards the end-ish - I can look it up if you really want, but...)
Since the theory is unproven, arguing based on that is probably a little over the top - which is why everyone else totally ignored the suggestion. Just FYI.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on February 03, 2011, 03:27:00 AM
It's a reference to an unproven theory that Aniz is also the father of Devin, as per Devin's flashback in Abel's Story (part one, somewhere towards the end-ish - I can look it up if you really want, but...)
Since the theory is unproven, arguing based on that is probably a little over the top - which is why everyone else totally ignored the suggestion. Just FYI.
You are right the comic doesn't say yea or nae on this one. But Devin was a little older than Abel's, and was abandon shortly before Abel's birth. They lived in the same town during their childhood. Aniz could have easily switched over to May after Devin's birth "proved" that mating with Devin's mother would not produce Cubi children. (it would have proved nothing of the kind) Or it maybe that Devin's father was just a jerk. We know Aniz is ...ah was. So guilty by repudiation...
Please lets not go into this one again.
PBH
Quote from: Prof B Hunnydew on February 03, 2011, 12:12:54 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on February 03, 2011, 03:27:00 AM
It's a reference to an unproven theory that Aniz is also the father of Devin, as per Devin's flashback in Abel's Story (part one, somewhere towards the end-ish - I can look it up if you really want, but...)
Since the theory is unproven, arguing based on that is probably a little over the top - which is why everyone else totally ignored the suggestion. Just FYI.
You are right the comic doesn't say yea or nae on this one. But Devin was a little older than Abel's, and was abandon shortly before Abel's birth. They lived in the same town during their childhood. Aniz could have easily switched over to May after Devin's birth "proved" that mating with Devin's mother would not produce Cubi children. (it would have proved nothing of the kind) Or it maybe that Devin's father was just a jerk. We know Aniz is ...ah was. So guilty by repudiation...
Please lets not go into this one again.
PBH
Not so sure. if Devin's mothers fevered rantings mean anything she had killed off several children before him so I am more with the theory of his father being an Angel trying to bring back his race. Aniz would have seen all of the killings and just went on to a more stable birthing partner after the first one I would think
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on February 03, 2011, 03:27:00 AM
It's a reference to an unproven theory that Aniz is also the father of Devin, as per Devin's flashback in Abel's Story (part one, somewhere towards the end-ish - I can look it up if you really want, but...)
Since the theory is unproven, arguing based on that is probably a little over the top - which is why everyone else totally ignored the suggestion. Just FYI.
Keep it up, I think they're almost frothing at the mouth... :mowcookie
Quote from: Ghostwish on February 03, 2011, 09:29:16 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on February 03, 2011, 03:27:00 AM
It's a reference to an unproven theory that Aniz is also the father of Devin, as per Devin's flashback in Abel's Story (part one, somewhere towards the end-ish - I can look it up if you really want, but...)
Since the theory is unproven, arguing based on that is probably a little over the top - which is why everyone else totally ignored the suggestion. Just FYI.
Keep it up, I think they're almost frothing at the mouth... :mowcookie
And some wonder why Amber sits back and watches the conspiracy threads and says nothing. :mowmeep
Quote from: Maark30 on February 03, 2011, 09:43:53 PM
Quote from: Ghostwish on February 03, 2011, 09:29:16 PM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on February 03, 2011, 03:27:00 AM
It's a reference to an unproven theory that Aniz is also the father of Devin, as per Devin's flashback in Abel's Story (part one, somewhere towards the end-ish - I can look it up if you really want, but...)
Since the theory is unproven, arguing based on that is probably a little over the top - which is why everyone else totally ignored the suggestion. Just FYI.
Keep it up, I think they're almost frothing at the mouth... :mowcookie
And some wonder why Amber sits back and watches the conspiracy threads and says nothing. :mowmeep
One of Amber's fellow comic artists, Tiffany Ross (Of Alien Dice/Shivae.net fame, who once did a crossover wallpaper war with Amber) gave a name to the fun to be had from watching rampant speculation. Tiffany gave said fun a title. That title is:
The Update Game.
It should be noted that being right gives you points, but crowing about being right takes points away.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on February 02, 2011, 12:14:34 PM
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on February 01, 2011, 09:01:18 PM
Think we ned more cute ? :)
needz moar cyoot (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87MqhisicL0).
Indeed ... how about a
sleepy bunny (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wSFB2ytWJLQ) ? :D
:bunny Too darn cute. Must get insulin from the cabinet in section D-3 :mowdizzy http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_373.php (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_373.php) :bunny
Quote from: AmberCross on February 01, 2011, 02:58:51 AMSo a year ago in comic time would be... right about when Dan got his wings. Plot senses... still tingling... O_o This is just like one of those things that feels like way too big a coincidence to be coincidental,
Right, and it could also be something Amber did just on purpose to lead to wild speculation that she seems to love so much.. Heheh
Quote from: Maark30 on February 04, 2011, 03:43:51 AM
:bunny Too darn cute. Must get insulin from the cabinet in section D-3 :mowdizzy http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_373.php (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_373.php) :bunny
Proof that Deebs is dangerous (at least together with Jy).
Quote from: AmigaDragon on February 05, 2011, 06:20:40 PM
Quote from: Maark30 on February 04, 2011, 03:43:51 AM
:bunny Too darn cute. Must get insulin from the cabinet in section D-3 :mowdizzy http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_373.php (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_373.php) :bunny
Proof that Deebs is dangerous (at least together with Jy).
Yup, it's a plague of cuteness. :mowmeep
We will all die from diabetes and cavities. :mowcookie