Makes me wonder how easy it is for older 'Cubi to get drunk, if they become less biological as they age. Though in Abel's case, if he's retained the ability to dream it would probably still get to his head.
As for Devin, if that is his original soul recycled fae-style, it's not going to be good news for Xander either, wherever he may be. I'd prefer to think it was a brand new soul...
Abel MAY need something stiffer...
Also, I'M SORRY FOR THE PUN PLEASE DON'T HURT ME! ;.;
EDIT: Pun was the title:
Wine-ing about exposition
I think most older 'cubi tend to sustain themselves through emotions/souls alone, though they may have similar effects.
Devin may be a case of amnesia, like being stuck in a coma for long periods, and revisting his memories via Abel's telling might jump start a recovery. My money is on "blank soul" though.
Is it just me or does Devin look different (facial features wise) now than he did i the past?
I really like his older design, but his modern face looks strange.
No disrespect intended, might just be the angles.
If this is all due to some side-effect of magical dabbling, I might expect a random association of soul and animated dead body. Whatever soul happened to be floating by just kinda got sucked in by the force of the magical properties.
But to know for sure, I'd have to study the spells involved and then do a quantum analysis of how they alter the brane structure of the space-time continuum... :B
I suspect the answer to this lies in Amber's pencil genetics.
Which ever we expect the least !
:D
I like the idea that Devin got his own soul back, honestly. His first childhood sucked, and I think while was alive, he really felt like he wasted a lot of years (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_54.php) getting over that. I also feel like he kept his overall personality, even though his upbringing was vastly different. He still displays (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_966.php) signs (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_968.php) of his former (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_54.php) "honest jerk" (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_39.php) type mentality.
Those examples could be merely because he dislikes Regina, of course. Still, it's very similar, and it's not the kind of wit Regina or Lorenda seem to display. Obviously siblings in a family are not identical, but there's usually a decent amount of similarity. So I suspect Devin got his old soul back.
These are all just shots in the dark, of course. I'd love it if we find out that it's the case. Sort of a second chance at life, y'know? Also, I like Devin so far.
Quote from: Arcblade on January 03, 2011, 11:46:23 AM
I like the idea that Devin got his own soul back, honestly. His first childhood sucked, and I think while was alive, he really felt like he wasted a lot of years (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_54.php) getting over that. I also feel like he kept his overall personality, even though his upbringing was vastly different. He still displays (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_966.php) signs (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_968.php) of his former (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_54.php) "honest jerk" (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_39.php) type mentality.
Those examples could be merely because he dislikes Regina, of course. Still, it's very similar, and it's not the kind of wit Regina or Lorenda seem to display. Obviously siblings in a family are not identical, but there's usually a decent amount of similarity. So I suspect Devin got his old soul back.
These are all just shots in the dark, of course. I'd love it if we find out that it's the case. Sort of a second chance at life, y'know? Also, I like Devin so far.
I agree in that this makes total sense. In a way Kria is like the mother that Devin never had, one who actually cared for him and helped him.
But even if there is another soul in Devin's body, (what's left of) the brain is still Devin's brain, and thus should still hold the memories of his past life. Speaking in biological terms, the wrinkles in the grey matter are what determine many factors about a person's intelligence, so who's to say that they don't work with the part of the brain that stores memories, kind of like a record?
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 03, 2011, 06:36:49 AM
As for Devin, if that is his original soul recycled fae-style, it's not going to be good news for Xander either, wherever he may be. I'd prefer to think it was a brand new soul...
I think that would be even worse. If the fae found out that DP had somehow created new souls from nothing; think how that would impact their society. No more Hollows anyone?!
Hard to say without really knowing what Dark Pegasus did to 'awaken' all the undead. I have a feeling that this isn't the same Devin as before, though.
Quote from: Shachza on January 03, 2011, 01:29:10 PM
I think that would be even worse. If the fae found out that DP had somehow created new souls from nothing; think how that would impact their society. No more Hollows anyone?!
Well, that's a bit of a sticky issue. Firstly, Fae don't have souls in the conventional sense anyway so what applies to Beings may not apply to Fae and vice-versa.
Where Beings are concerned, simply having a child might create a soul from nothing, as it were. It might be that a soul naturally forms around a functioning mind like a gravitational field forms around a mass or waving a magnet over a wire induces current.
Or of course, it could be reincarnation, and that opens up a whole can of worms.
I like how poor Abel has to decide if he's going to lie, or be honest. I mean, who wants to find out they were an asshole in their previous life, even if they died saving someone's life?
Quote from: Tangent on January 03, 2011, 02:33:27 PMI mean, who wants to find out they were an asshole in their previous life
People who are assholes in their current life?
Okay. You have me there. ^^;;
Quote from: Sofox on January 03, 2011, 04:01:47 PM
Quote from: Tangent on January 03, 2011, 02:33:27 PMI mean, who wants to find out they were an asshole in their previous life
People who are assholes in their current life?
For that matter, how is he going to react if Abel mentions his thoughts about Xander?
"Wait... What? I was digging on some dude?"
Quote from: Rafe on January 03, 2011, 05:47:29 PM
Quote from: Sofox on January 03, 2011, 04:01:47 PM
Quote from: Tangent on January 03, 2011, 02:33:27 PMI mean, who wants to find out they were an asshole in their previous life
People who are assholes in their current life?
For that matter, how is he going to react if Abel mentions his thoughts about Xander?
"Wait... What? I was digging on some dude?"
Considering that he has hinted that he is STILL gay, he might extend that line of dialog with "Was he hot?"
Y'know - we could get a great argument going here:
If Undead Devin is straight, does that mean his soul isn't the original Devin's soul?
Quote from: Rafe on January 03, 2011, 06:41:49 PM
Y'know - we could get a great argument going here:
If Undead Devin is straight, does that mean his soul isn't the original Devin's soul?
That depends. Does one's soul determine one's orientation? Also, define what a soul is.
It will be a very complicated matter :B
All this soul talk and no one seems to point out that Jy is barely seen over his table. Just a tuft of hair (or ear), an eyeball, and that's it. Poor guy. Shorter than most of his own furniture.
Also, does anyone else expect the wince cellar to be freakishly over tecked? Mechanical arms that deliver the bottles as directed, or better, before you say anything because they automatically calculate the vintage needed for the situation?
Quote from: Draken on January 03, 2011, 07:45:12 PM... wince cellar...
Forget everything else. I want to know more about this "wince cellar".
Quote from: Rafe on January 03, 2011, 08:01:35 PM
Quote from: Draken on January 03, 2011, 07:45:12 PM... wince cellar...
Forget everything else. I want to know more about this "wince cellar".
it's where puns are stored to reach maturation.
Devon's hair flowing in the wind.
Brother and sister love.
Stories that need to be told with a good shot of liquor in ones system.
Yep! Let's ride this awkward right into the sunset. Sssssss! >:3
Wait, Devin was gay? When did this happen?
Edit, to reply to below:
I mean, when was it decided/said Devin is/was gay?
About 375 years ago.
When Xander raised the possibility in strip 40 of Abel's story (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_40.php), Devin denied very emphatically that he was gay. However, when Devin stated that Xander was gay in strip 41 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_41.php), Xander didn't deny it.
Devin stated his orientation most clearly at the bottom of strip 54. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_54.php)
Edit:
I wasn't referring to the last statement as concerning his sexual orientation. It was a reference to his psychological orientation. (I guess I just didn't have an impure enough mind to see the alternative interpretation.)
While the first two links make sence, stating that he is an asshole doesn't realy prove Devin is gay.
I believe that this will fix things. http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_65.php
Quote from: That_wolf on January 04, 2011, 07:22:43 PM
While the first two links make sence, stating that he is an asshole doesn't realy prove Devin is gay.
You mean you don't think Ol' Dev is a bottom?
No, Xander hits me that way now, though.
Actually, there is this comic here (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Abel_65.php), with Devin's last thought: oh Xander... I'm sorry I never told you that....
...Huh. I guess the smallness of the words, and the depressing sight of Abel hid those words.
And all of that fighting 'n' stuff, happened about 375 years ago, in comic time.
Quote from: Spirit Studios on January 03, 2011, 12:39:15 PM
But even if there is another soul in Devin's body, (what's left of) the brain is still Devin's brain, and thus should still hold the memories of his past life. Speaking in biological terms, the wrinkles in the grey matter are what determine many factors about a person's intelligence, so who's to say that they don't work with the part of the brain that stores memories, kind of like a record?
However, it's pretty difficult to tell how much influence brain anatomy has on personality in a world where magic is real and emotions are a form of energy*. Also, there seem to be some Undeads who have damaged heads and who can still "live" on without many problems. (On thinking about this, this sounds like something interesting to research. hmmmm... >:3)
On the other hand, the souls of the Fae seem definitely separate from personality and memory, so maybe you're right. And I for once would find it sad if the memories were lost. Undead Devin seemed to have quite an interest to know his past and even though the circumstances of his death were disturbing and traumatizing, he has enough persons around him that could help him to cope with it.
(* Note: I don't mean to repeat the stale old "This is fantasy, so stop speculating" mantra. I just mean that the laws of nature and biology in Furrae are probably very different than our laws of nature, so one should take care IMO which set to use when speculating :V)
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on January 06, 2011, 05:09:01 PM
And all of that fighting 'n' stuff, happened about 375 years ago, in comic time.
Hey, Gollum spent 500+ years just sitting in a cave and he wasn't even the equivalent of a Creature. So what do you expect?
Quote from: 127.0.0.2 on January 06, 2011, 06:44:12 PM
On the other hand, the souls of the Fae seem definitely separate from personality and memory, so maybe you're right.
Bear in mind that the Fae don't have souls in the same way as, say, Devin does. You cannot directly compare Fae life-energy with Being or Creature souls because they're not the same thing. Albanion only used that word so that Jyrras would understand. As Rose put it, the Fae aren't even considered
alive by some benchmarks.
Hmm, I forgot about that. I guess then all bets are off again regarding how souls and memory are related, except if any of you wiki guys know more than I do. But it might still be interesting to see in the future.
Quote from: 127.0.0.2 on January 06, 2011, 06:53:44 PM
But it might still be interesting to see in the future.
Indeed, it has quite profound implications. Specifically, if it really is Devin's soul but the memory has decayed over the centuries in a fashion horribly similar to Alzheimers, then the same would presumably also hold for May, Hennya, Xander, Cindy and so on and so forth.
Compared to that prospect, I'd prefer to think that the original Devin is out there in the beyond somewhere, alongside Xander...
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 06, 2011, 07:23:40 PM
Indeed, it has quite profound implications. Specifically, if it really is Devin's soul but the memory has decayed over the centuries in a fashion horribly similar to Alzheimers, then the same would presumably also hold for May, Hennya, Xander, Cindy and so on and so forth.
There may be other reasons why he can't remember, though, reversible and irreversible ones. It might be a side effect of the mysterious incident that has brought him back to (some kind of) consciousness in the first place, or it might even be purely psychological - effects from a trauma caused by his death or something like that.
Quote from: Tapewolf on January 06, 2011, 07:23:40 PM
Quote from: 127.0.0.2 on January 06, 2011, 06:53:44 PM
But it might still be interesting to see in the future.
Indeed, it has quite profound implications. Specifically, if it really is Devin's soul but the memory has decayed over the centuries in a fashion horribly similar to Alzheimers, then the same would presumably also hold for May, Hennya, Xander, Cindy and so on and so forth.
Compared to that prospect, I'd prefer to think that the original Devin is out there in the beyond somewhere, alongside Xander...
I prefer to believe in the Universal Spiritual Recycling Program - that their souls have been reborn... and maybe, just maybe, they'll be reunited in another form someday, be it as lovers or friends. Not siblings. That's just wrong. Yes, I'm looking at YOU, manga version of
Kannazuki no miko .
Quote from: Tangent on January 08, 2011, 12:42:48 PMI prefer to believe in the Universal Spiritual Recycling Program
Uhh .... now I have those mental image flashes of a big factory like soul recycling facility !! :U
- Let us Recycle Your SOUL, Because we Care!
- Please insert soul before pressing the button.
- Souls are not Trash, they are a Resource!
- Don't throw your soul away, littering is bad for the environment!
- The Choice is Yours - Save It or Waste It
- Recyclers, live twice!
:D
Dang, my mind is a weird place sometimes.
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on January 13, 2011, 07:20:14 AM
- Please insert soul before pressing the button.
(http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/3880/vol698.jpg)
The scary thing is, with her evil/ish plotting, I wouldn't put it past her.
But she's only plotting evil for the greater good :U
Quote from: 127.0.0.2 on January 13, 2011, 02:28:37 PM
But she's only plotting evil for the greater good :U
Yes, but whose?
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 13, 2011, 04:13:45 PM
Quote from: 127.0.0.2 on January 13, 2011, 02:28:37 PM
But she's only plotting evil for the greater good :U
Yes, but whose?
I think she is trying to make that universe so that all creatures and beings can coexist with some semblance of peace and order, Sort of the same thing that Fa'lina wants. But in Mab's case if the universe goes boom she can always go to another so no harm no foul... for her.
Quote from: Maark30 on January 14, 2011, 01:00:06 AM
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on January 13, 2011, 04:13:45 PM
Quote from: 127.0.0.2 on January 13, 2011, 02:28:37 PM
But she's only plotting evil for the greater good :U
Yes, but whose?
I think she is trying to make that universe so that all creatures and beings can coexist with some semblance of peace and order, Sort of the same thing that Fa'lina wants. But in Mab's case if the universe goes boom she can always go to another so no harm no foul... for her.
I'm not so sure that Fa'lina couldn't escape if the universe went boom. Mab did say that Fa'lina is an "old/new friend from another time/place", so Fa'lina might be even more than just a nigh omnipotent Cubi clan leader.
The world going "boom" due to one of Mab's friends is another issue. The foreshadowing might point toward Dan, but it's also possible that one of Jyrras' inventions could destroy the world.
And unless I miss my guess, a material that is completely magic free would probably be a very effective defense/offense against magical creatures/weapons.
Fa'Lina would most likely survive the Universe going boom.
She did after all create her academy in a pocket dimension with some pretty heavy duty wards on it - It could probably survive it.
The rest of the universe doesn't need to exist for the cubi in there to be fine.
Cubi there could feed on (their own collective) emotions for sustenance for the rest of eternity.
If we're going into full speculation mode, don't forget the other fractions that there are. Most noteably the dragons which seem almost on par with the Fae regarding power. And then there is Destania's quest to get rid of them...
Fa'Lina might be special, but in general Cubi always seemed still having a good bit less power than the Fae to me. In an "atomic bomb vs H bomb" kind of way, that is... :B
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on January 14, 2011, 04:55:24 AM
Fa'Lina would most likely survive the Universe going boom.
She did after all create her academy in a pocket dimension with some pretty heavy duty wards on it - It could probably survive it.
In my unprofessional opinion, I think Mab helped her with that :B
Quote from: Madd the Sane on January 15, 2011, 09:56:43 AM
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on January 14, 2011, 04:55:24 AM
Fa'Lina would most likely survive the Universe going boom.
She did after all create her academy in a pocket dimension with some pretty heavy duty wards on it - It could probably survive it.
In my unprofessional opinion, I think Mab helped her with that :B
well Mab does consider Fa'lina as a friend, even if it is from another time and place.
Maybe that other time and place was the universe that *did* collapse ?
So they made another one, a new one, a better one, to play around in.
:)
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on January 19, 2011, 05:09:56 AM
Maybe that other time and place was the universe that *did* collapse ?
So they made another one, a new one, a better one, to play around in.
:)
Yup, that sounds about right. :mowninja