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Title: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Amber Williams on August 10, 2006, 01:00:38 AM
Guys, we need to talk.

No...its not about you peeps...though this is starting to sound like a wierd break-up thing.  Let me first reassure you all that things are fine on my end.  My computer is being softwared up as I type.  DMFA will be back up and running shortly and that will be well in life as I get back to the issues at hand.  I have plans to rustle up enough money to make the final amount needed for the Canadian migration V2, and hopefully things will be back to a normally scheduled program soon.

My concern though is Dave Hopkins. 

For those not in the know, Dave is currently in a VERY serious situation (http://jadephoenix.org/karma/savedave.html)  that really puts my own scenario to a piddling shame in comparison. I mean, my issues are mearly financial and annoying...not nearly life-threatening.  But Dave's are...and from what I've been hearing, its getting very serious and isn't something that can be left to wait months or years.

My problem is...I have no moderatly decent way to help.  I don't really have enough money to donate (in actuality the money donated is more or less dwindlings so once I restart DMFA I likely will be resorting to auctioning off things to raise funds..despite the haitus likely taking a toll on readership.  But thats not important right now!)  I don't have a computer at this time or anything I can really offer for the help-Dave cause.  And me just going "Hay guys! Can u send more money but to this guy? :B" after my own sites been kinda meh seems a bit unhelpful.

Dave is a great person, even if you don't enjoy his comic.  He's insanely nice and one of the funniest people I have ever been able to hang around with at conventions.  And the situation is severe...possibly even life-threatening.  And its just...so frustrating for me to sit and know there is a chance I might possibly lose a friend's life...while for the past few weeks I've only been "bla bla bla...my computer...bla bla bla...my Canada troubles..."

This isn't me trying to look cheeky. I post because I am looking to you peeps for some advice since odds are you all have been with me since this my problems have started so would know what situation I'm currently in.  And also, I'm asking you guys as a community if you have any ideas that perhaps as a group we can do something of our own to pool together and help Dave out.  I want ideas, input, a plan of sorts.

Thanks peeps.
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: RJ on August 10, 2006, 01:07:00 AM
Oh gosh :( This is one of those times where I wish I had won the lottery... I wish I wasn't in my own financial difficulties at the moment, or else I'd donate.

*stares and pouts at everyone else who reads*
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Nino on August 10, 2006, 01:24:05 AM
Oh my gosh, this really tugs on my heart-strings. Geez, if I could donate I would, but I'm currently going through college and wasn't even able to find a job this summer. Maybe if I start accepting commissions I'll donate a percentage to him... though sadly I can't work on much of anything at college (when I do go back, and there's not a whole lot I can get done before then) due to lack of scanner and huge workload. Argh, it's just frusterating to read this and not be able to help though.
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Aridas on August 10, 2006, 03:12:01 AM
We all wish we could win the lottery.. there are just so many people who need money that you just wish you had it to hand out.. hopefully the way DMFAers are so fanatical about donating, they'll be able to cover it no problem. Things seem to be going quick, and if people just don't hesitate and get to it, it should be even faster. I don't doubt if everyone puts a little in from their own funds and such when they can, things may just turn out for the best.
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on August 10, 2006, 03:34:51 AM
One wonders, idly, and in an utterly sick sort of fascination sort of way :-)

... can you nominate which tooth you're paying for, if you donate?


More seriously - I was going to suggest we set up a separate paypal account, collect money in there, and then pass it across as a community - problem is, that doubles the fees that paypal gets out of this, which is kinda silly. So, I figure, if we, as a community, provide an identifying note on each donation stating that we're from DMFA, we can identify us as a group, as it were.

Of course, that presumes that we want to be identified as such. :-)

The down side is that, while I could donate some, I sortof need it for my son's school fees next month, so I'm not going to be able to donate before then. :-/ Fortunately, while life-endangering, it's chronic, not immediate. Still sucks. :-/
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Zina on August 10, 2006, 03:48:42 AM
I say we set up a DMFA fund for Dave. I can certainly donate a portion of my commission money to it. :3
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Cvstos on August 10, 2006, 05:01:42 AM
The DMFA community artists could band together and create artwork to put up for sale somewhere on the 'net, with proceeds to go to the fund.  Maybe with collaborative artwork, too.  Links to that web page in signatures on other forums could also help.  Post on your other forums about it.  Just a few ideas off the top of my head at 4AM.  I will post others if I think of them.  Right now I'm too tired to really focus on anything.
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Rowne on August 10, 2006, 05:21:33 AM
I'd want to be able to donate money without getting anything in return, too.  I'm not rich but I tend to be very giving and this sounds like a good cause, one of the better ones that I've seen in fact and I'd like to do my part.

I just wish I had some major talent or other so that I too could offer up materials for sale.  I do have one idea though ... I have a lot of obscurities lying around, rare games and whatnot.  Perhaps we could auction bunches of that kind of thing off to help raise money?
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Netami on August 10, 2006, 05:25:13 AM
I've recieved next to no consideration from stated party, so no thanks. I'll keep me pennies. Good luck getting it up there, though.
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Vidar on August 10, 2006, 08:48:49 AM
The "Help Dave" site states that his condition is / will be life threatening, yet he is having trouble finding anyone to save his life.
Is that normal in America? What's the healthcare like in the US?

I live in the europe, and over here, the metality is more like: save life first, money can be sorted out later. At least in this part of europe it is (don't know about the other coutries). To look at money while a life is / will be in the balance just seems really barbaric, evil, disgusting and mercenary to me.
As soon as I get a credit card (already send in the forms) I'm going to donate some moneys.

I want YOU (yes, you, the one sitting in front of a computer screen) to donate / get other people to donate.

(http://www.packagesfromhome.org/images/gif/uncle-sam.gif)
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Saist on August 10, 2006, 09:01:25 AM
Quote from: Vidar on August 10, 2006, 08:48:49 AM
The "Help Dave" site states that his condition is / will be life threatening, yet he is having trouble finding anyone to save his life.
Is that normal in America? What's the healthcare like in the US?


not trying to descend too much into politcal fighting here, there are a lot of hospitals in the US based around that concept, and there are a lot of doctors who do work exactly like that, get it done, then sort it out. However, you first have to find them, then actually get to them.

However, on the flip side, if you are on an HMO plan, government plan, or for that matter, any type of insurance plan, that's when things can get to be a little dicey.

There is also the maatter here that isn't having any trouble finding someone who can save his life, he's having trouble paying that somebody to save his life, two completely different matters.

And yes, the unspoken question answered, our healthcare system(s) are still several times more effective than anything Europe has to offer, and more often cheaper in the long run in comparison to tax rates and personal investment (be it through taxes, HMO plans, or straight out cost). Just like in HSI Tech Support where you don't hear about the guy whose Cable modem has worked for 3 years straight without a drop, you don't hear about the success stories where the Health Care plans work, or where the people get the help they need when they need it. What you hear about is when things get screwed up, such as in Dave's case.



Anyways, back to the topic at hand, I've passed on the site to some of my friends in the medical community in Georgia to see if they have any advice on where to go from here.
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Vidar on August 10, 2006, 09:28:47 AM
Around my part, that's how EVERY doctor works. Death due to negligence is punishable by law with prison time, and your licence to practice medicine could / would get revoked.
Doctors don't need to worry about getting payed: they get payed by the insurance-company where the patient has health-care. I'm not sure what happens when someone without healthcare get's treated, but the doctor will still get payed.
Also, everyone is required to get basic health-insurance, which would certainly cover Dave's problem, and is inexpensive enough so that even the lowest income families can afford them. I should know, I'm from a lowest income family.

It just pisses me off that someone in serious need of help is being asked for money. To me it's little better then highway robbery: "Pay up, or die".
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: TheDXM on August 10, 2006, 10:55:01 AM
This comes as a shocking and disappointing surprise to me. It's unfortunate that in my current situation, there is little I can manage to come up with, but if I can find extra work I'll definately see if I can help. 'Since I have little better to do I should be able to pull in some extra cash.

If it's a dental issue we're looking at you can expect physicians to be a little cheeky. I've had a few issues myself and there was no way I could expect to pay the dental bills without some form of aid. If you're just trying to get by on life it's very unrealistic to get those sort of treatments done. You basically either have the money or you get lucky enough to qualify for the aid, and sometimes even that won't cover certain teeth, areas, etc.

It's all pretty ridiculous, even if it threatens your long-term health. This whole seizure thing though, I'm very surprised SOMETHING doesn't cover that.
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Lysander on August 10, 2006, 11:44:00 AM
Yeah, you'd think there'd be something to cover at least some. But sometimes certain things happen...and things need to change.

Real life scares me. :januscat
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Gabi on August 10, 2006, 11:44:25 AM
That's awful. Here the hospitals would never let someone die for lack of money. It's true that sometimes hospitals don't have the resources to take care of all patients (like expensive medicines... or sometimes even simple things like cotton), but at least they don't turn their backs on them. I wish I could do something to help. I'll pass the word to the people I know.

[Edit: made a post on the Tsuyoi's Lair forums.]
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Rafe on August 10, 2006, 12:54:13 PM
First of all, thanks very much Amber and everyone else who's helping.  The problem with Dave's situation is that at the moment it falls between the cracks as far as his insurance and the health care system in general.  I'm sure if his fever went up and the infection spread to the point he was unconcious in the emergency room, he would get help no questions asked, but it would be really, really much better if it didn't have to get worse before he gets some help.

If you've ever seen Dave, he's over six feet tall, but only weighs around 140 lbs.  You worried that he was getting enough to eat before this happened.  Now he's eating even less.  I guess my point is that if we wait around for 'official' help, it would be a huge risk, not to mention that making someone in pain wait for help isn't  a great thing to do.

If you look at Katie's Gaia page http://jadephoenix.org/karma/savedave.html  a lot of very nice and very talented people are offering art to help, everything from chibis to plushies.  I'm sure Amber and the DMFA fans will help out by buying some, or just helping with a few dollars, and maybe even come up with some better ideas.

All I can say is, if someone as talented, generous, and all around nice as David Hopkins can't get help from his fans and friends, the rest of us don't stand a chance. 

Thanks very much,

Rafe
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Sketchy boy on August 10, 2006, 01:29:32 PM
Ill Advertise it on my new DA Journal im about to make.  I don't get watched much, but i hope it helps.  Gah, sometiems I wish I could draw better and had a paypal account.  I feel pretty helpless, even though i barely know the guy.
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Zedd on August 10, 2006, 07:50:01 PM
 :< Poor dave....HE dont deserve this...He's a great guy...I do hope he gets what he needs
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Azlan on August 11, 2006, 01:05:02 AM
I really wish I could help, but I'm a bit strapped.  I wish the best of luck, I may not be a fan of Jack, but he is a seriously nice guy.  Please, if you can spare it, lend some aid.
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: tkg on August 11, 2006, 01:18:27 AM
I've never met the guy, but I believe he is a nice person, after all the good words that have been said about him. His current state sounds outright horrible, and I wouldn't wish that upon my worst enemies... not that I have any, but the point is still valid (I hope).
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: ITOS on August 11, 2006, 04:24:28 AM
Is there any way you can send money if you don't have PayPal?

Some of us don't have access to a credit card, unfortunately. :<
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Tapewolf on August 11, 2006, 05:00:15 AM
Quote from: ITOS on August 11, 2006, 04:24:28 AM
Is there any way you can send money if you don't have PayPal?

Some of us don't have access to a credit card, unfortunately. :<
They take well-concealed cash apparently.
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: TheDXM on August 11, 2006, 10:21:54 AM
If you don't have paypal, or a checking account, use a money order. It's way more secure than actual cash, you can get them at a currency exchange in your area. I trust them more than paypal personally... You can send checks too probably, but they're basically the same difference. Whichever is less expensive I suppose.

You can E-mail Mrs. Katherine Hopkins and she can send you an address for any snail-mail apparantly.
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: JousterL on August 11, 2006, 01:24:21 PM
I donated what I could.

Dave's a cool guy. Granted that most times I've been rather intimidated by him and have hence probably seemed incredibly meek when trying to strike up a conversation (I've been told that's normal).

Plus, I read Jack, and enjoy the comic very much.

I really hope things get better for him. :/
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Alondro on August 11, 2006, 08:39:02 PM
Sheesh, if it weren't for the fact that I'm having to cover all the vital repairs our house needs (thanks to my dad not getting a job in a year...  :cuss ) I'd be able to help.  He should complain of mild chest pains over the upper left thoracic region and left arm numbness and tingling, as bad teeth can cause heart damage from the streptococcal/spaphylococcal bacteria infiltration of the blood stream, THEN they'd certainly admit him and dose him heavily on antibiotics.  There's a knack for playing the system that I've learned from working in a hospital in a major city and hearing how others have weasled their way through.

At the very least, he should be using a strong mouthwash every day (even though it'll hurt hellishly for the first week), like Listerine, to perhaps hold the gum infections down a little.
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Zorro on August 11, 2006, 09:21:44 PM
Problem with the mouthwash thing is that it will strip the top layer of cells off your mouth if you hold it too long.

Dentists normally recommend diluted Hydrogen Peroxide instead.  It is simply less irritating.
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on August 12, 2006, 06:12:21 AM
That's useful.

... I'd guess my contact lens cleaning solution probably isn't what you have in mind, however :-)
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Damien Holtz on August 12, 2006, 08:29:51 AM
Oh, hell.. It just hurts when you haven't got a steady income and can't help someone in need, you know? My prayers go out to Dave, anyway, and I hope he gets better.
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Hilary on August 12, 2006, 01:44:51 PM
Currently I'm broke, but I'm going to scrape together anything I can to try and help. I truly hope that everything will come together in the end, and with all the kindhearted people I know populate these forums, I have no doubt it will.  :mowsmile
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Manawolf on August 12, 2006, 02:46:44 PM
My sister is getting her teeth as well, but its more to prevent a problem similar to Dave's.  I've yet to recieve payment for my summer job, and with college starting up once again, there isn't much else left I can do.  I'll be hoping for a swift recovery, but Dave should really give himself a rest.  If he's been keeping to his updating habits of being about a month ahead in comics, he deserves a break.
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Sunny on August 12, 2006, 02:54:40 PM
I can kind of understand the pain he's going through.  My front 8 teeth are veneers (or however it's spelt) and I couldn't hardly eat for over a week from sheer pain.

I'd donate if I could, but college is sucking away all of my finances. :/
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Shadrok on August 12, 2006, 03:11:32 PM
I wish I had some money I could send but I don't. :mowsad

Did post their link in my FA journal, just hope it helps.
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Blazehawk on August 12, 2006, 03:46:27 PM
I'm going to donate what I can. That's just horrible...I want to help more, but I'm not sure how...if anyone ever gives me a job, I'll donate more though. :)
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: skwerly on August 12, 2006, 09:39:41 PM
I've had various health insurance and medical bill problems over the years, and while I can't help with donations, I might be able to help with a suggestion or three.

First off, if I'm reading this thread right, it sounds like y'all are going about it backwards.  You're trying to raise the money first, then get the medical help.  Switch it around. 

He needs to find a place that won't demand a copay up front.  When it comes time to pay the bill on checkout, he tells 'em that his insurance is always making mistakes and he would prefer to wait for the EoB (Explanation of Benefits) to arrive so he can get it corrected before commiting to the final bill.  If they insist on something, he can give 'em a $25 or $50 token offering. 

This will give him time to gather funds and donations while getting better rather than sicker.

If insurance decides he's not covered or won't pay out for some reason, he can appeal.  He can take it to court or arbitration.  He can make small monthly payments for 20 years.  He can make a deal with the hospital (or whatever) for a reduced bill.  As a last resort, he can file bankruptcy to have that bill and others written off.  If he doesn't want to screw the hospital, he can pay by credit card and then write off the card bills with a bankruptcy.

Lots of ways to deal with the problem, some of them somewhat unethical.  But that's the American way.  The main point is as some have already suggested:  Health first, finance later.

Good luck.

Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: fesworks on August 12, 2006, 10:30:40 PM
Well, in my state, Minnesota, .. Or at least ot the Hospital in my town, if you make any sort of payment, even as little as $1 a month, it will not be sent to claims, but might still show as debt.

In any case, hope things work out alright.
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Forestcat on August 13, 2006, 12:35:25 PM
*mew* That sounds horrible, I've already read about it on the Jack page as well! I enjoy his comic, I think I shall have to donate *something* anyhow. *digs around in her bank account*

Y'know the nice thing about having fans though is that they always come through for ya. Amber has a lot of fans around here and I'm sure Dave has a lot of fans around all of his hangouts too. :) I've faith. ^^ :mowcookie
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Rafe on August 15, 2006, 01:25:30 AM
I just wanted to come back and thank everyone here again.  The response to help Dave has been  amazingly generous.  They have more than half of what they need to get Dave the procedures he needs, and already have been able to get started setting him up with an oral surgeon.  He's going to be getting some painful work done, but at least he'll be getting better now, and it's you guys who are responsible, you friends from DMFA, Jack, and Gaia.  Seriously -  without you, I don't know what would happen.  They're going to need some more, but I really think it can happen now.

I've seen the list of everyone who's sent in contributions and a bunch of them are from you DMFA forumites and fans.  Not everyone can send in a big amount, but so many people sent in what they could, just a few dollars at a time, that they made a real difference. 

I've been around a while,  but I don't think I've ever seen such a generous bunch of people in my life, helping someone they've probably never even met.  Some people might think you're a little too trusting -  I think you are gift from heaven.  I don't think I'll forget this display generosity if I live to be a hundred.

  Thanks,

    Rafe
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Aridas on August 15, 2006, 01:53:30 AM
I've known these guys to jump in with money for much less serious things so why not? If I wasn't saving up for moving out i'd have plenty to spare, myself... but I can't x.x

The way it looks though, my help might not even be needed... Everyone's working so hard to help..
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: icarus on August 16, 2006, 03:26:27 AM
i say make like a nice person and donate. i sent in what i could affourd.

i imagine that a lot of people don't have paypal or means to send in money. for those people i suggest doing things like, oh, i dunno...writing short fanfics on commission or drawing on commission and sending the money on to dave. writing silly poems about people for pennies, etc etc. some of you do sprite editing, or maybe silver would do a special run of yappies for a dollar each in donations to dave or something. there's lots of ways to raise money.

also i like this emoticon. :zombiekun2
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Amber Williams on August 16, 2006, 11:06:49 AM
Dancing zombie-kun is full of win.

But anyways, judging from the site it looks like the donation drive is nearing its final stages.(woo!)  All thats left is one extraction and then onto the most important part....THE DRUGS! :B

urgh...I dunno about you guys, but when I had my wisdom teeth taken out, those lil vicaden(I spell bad) pills were like magical little pain lifesavers.  I hate to think what it would be like having to go through a full extraction without any pain meds. O_o'

But seriously...I want to thank everyone who has sent in support or at least was a decent person over the whole situation.   It means a lot to me, and as Rafe said, its a type of kindness that will likely live on years in memory for many.
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Boog on August 16, 2006, 11:58:25 AM
Man... That rather sucks. Wish I could donate, and that if I could I could donate enough to be noticable. Hope it works out for him.
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Dakata on August 16, 2006, 12:04:04 PM
I wish I could donate too. :<

But if my parents found out I was reading a webcomic that was rated MA, they'd kill me. >> Hell, they'd kill me just for reading Vinci and Arty. D: Friggin' evil parents.
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Aridas on August 16, 2006, 07:47:43 PM
Those insane people who donated $500 and $666 should probably considered heroes... I think that's a hefty chunk of cash to put in, for anyone...
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Rowne on August 16, 2006, 08:01:22 PM
I agree on that count.

I wish I could actually keep my internet connection and throw that kind of money at a charity.  They deserve any praise they get.
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: topher chee on August 16, 2006, 11:43:55 PM
grr....so this explains yesterdays "internal problem" dont ya just hate `em
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Meech on August 16, 2006, 11:51:18 PM
I just sent Dave what I could afford right now.

I too have been the victim of bad circumstance.  The short version.  I was on a motorcycle and I was hit from behind by a large pickup truck.  I have one warning about Vicodin.  I was given a prescription for a full month at two pills per day.  Total number of pills, 60.  I took the little pink pills for four days.  ONLY FOUR FREAKING DAYS!!!  Total number of pills taken so far, 7.  I missed taking one pill.  I wasn't hurting too bad at the time and decided to just wait till that evening to take the next one as scheduled.  It started to get late and I started to feel kind of weird.  I'd developed the shakes, chills, I was feeling paranoid and had broken out into a cold sweat.  I felt like crap.  It was totally scary.  I took my next pill and all of the symptoms that I just described went away in a matter of minutes.  I felt better so fast that I realized what I had been feeling was withdrawal, and that the druggie had just gotten his fix.  It was at that point that I decided to tough it out and I quit the magic little pink pills cold turkey.  Total number of pills taken from the bottle, 8.  I flushed the other 52.

I leave this warning because I know that Vicodin is a common prescription for oral surgery patients.  I also know that it is one of the most common prescription addictions.  Dave is going to have a lot of work done and is therefor going to get a lot of pills.  I read Jack all of the time.  I would hate for Dave's recovery to be marred by something as stupid accidental addiction.
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Vidar on August 18, 2006, 08:21:52 AM
<rant mode: ON>

RARGH!

I got my credit card today, however, paypal isn't accepting it.
It also states that my phone number doesn't have a valid area code, my zipcode is incorrect, and I didn't select a state, because I don't live in the states.
I LIVE IN EUROPE! I DON'T HAVE A ZIPCODE IN U.S. FORMAT! I DONT LIVE IN A STATE! MY PHONE NUMBER DOESN'T HAVE A U.S. AREA CODE! FYI, EUROPE IS NOT PART OF THE U.S. OF A.!

Does anyone know how to work around this retarded interface?

<rant mode: OFF>
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Tapewolf on August 18, 2006, 08:33:40 AM
Quote from: Vidar on August 18, 2006, 08:21:52 AM
I got my credit card today, however, paypal isn't accepting it.
It also states that my phone number doesn't have a valid area code, my zipcode is incorrect, and I didn't select a state, because I don't live in the states.

Just checking, you are going through www.paypal.nl and not www.paypal.com, aren't you?  I never had any problems with it, but it was a long time ago so I can't remember quite what I did when I signed up.
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Vidar on August 18, 2006, 08:50:26 AM
Quote from: Tapewolf on August 18, 2006, 08:33:40 AM
Quote from: Vidar on August 18, 2006, 08:21:52 AM
I got my credit card today, however, paypal isn't accepting it.
It also states that my phone number doesn't have a valid area code, my zipcode is incorrect, and I didn't select a state, because I don't live in the states.

Just checking, you are going through www.paypal.nl and not www.paypal.com, aren't you?  I never had any problems with it, but it was a long time ago so I can't remember quite what I did when I signed up.

Quote from: Tapewolf on August 18, 2006, 08:33:40 AM
Quote from: Vidar on August 18, 2006, 08:21:52 AM
I got my credit card today, however, paypal isn't accepting it.
It also states that my phone number doesn't have a valid area code, my zipcode is incorrect, and I didn't select a state, because I don't live in the states.

Just checking, you are going through www.paypal.nl and not www.paypal.com, aren't you?  I never had any problems with it, but it was a long time ago so I can't remember quite what I did when I signed up.

I clicked on the link on the donation site. Don't they all refer to the same site?
After all, I put my country of origin in the form. Why would they allow you to input a country, if the only country you can use is the USA?

* /me == software tester *
* /me logs issue *

Also, why the .nl?
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on August 18, 2006, 08:52:25 AM
because paypal runs different automated checks when you sign up, depending on which country you're in.

If you're in the states, it asks for valid data for the states. If you're in the UK, it asks for valid data for the UK. etc, etc.
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Tapewolf on August 18, 2006, 09:06:34 AM
Quote from: Vidar on August 18, 2006, 08:50:26 AM
I clicked on the link on the donation site. Don't they all refer to the same site?
After all, I put my country of origin in the form. Why would they allow you to input a country, if the only country you can use is the USA?

That will work if you're already signed up, because it will redirect to the appropriate site when you log in.  But for creating an account, you should use the one specific to your country.

QuoteAlso, why the .nl?
I could have sworn you were in the Netherlands.
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Rafe on August 18, 2006, 01:14:45 PM
I just checked on things this morning on the Save Dave website, and it looks like the fund has officially met the $10,000 goal (although I'm sure that, for those who had to wait to contribute, more will still be very welcome).  I'm still amazed, but I guess my faith in you guys was justified.  Katie has put up a very nice thank-you, which reads in part:

When I awoke this morning (August 18th), tallied the latest donations, and sent what was in paypal off to the bank, I realize that this was it. Thanks to all of you, it was done. Just thirteen days ago, we were wondering how we'd ever afford something like this, and today, you have all helped to create a miracle.

I cannot possibly express how much your support means to us. This is not something temporary that you've helped to pay for that will be forgotten in time, this is something life-changing that will be with Dave for the rest of his days.

When Dave starts to put on weight and stops being malnourished due to his problems, we're going to think of all of you.

When Dave can actually eat an entire meal without having to stop because his mouth hurts him, we're going to think of all of you.

When Dave's health problems start to diminish due to his body not having to work overtime fighting off infections, we're going to think of all of you

When the pile of ER bills we're currently paying off vanishes someday and doesn't come back, we're going to think of all of you.

This was a tremendous thing all of you did, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise. Your donations, whether they were $5 or whether they were $500, will all work together to save a life. I am not exaggerating, I am not blowing sunshine, I am serious. The next time any of you feel you've not done anything significant, I want you to remember that you helped save someone else's life. It may sound a little cheesy to you, but its the truth. No matter how insignificant you may have felt your donation was, it made a difference.


Read the rest at the Save Dave site here:
http://jadephoenix.org/karma/savedave.html

You have restored my faith in at least some of humanity.
Thanks,

  Rafe
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Falcarthum on August 18, 2006, 02:20:35 PM
For those that donated and gave support:

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c334/Falcarthum/peopleclapping.gif)
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Paladin Sheppard on August 18, 2006, 03:08:40 PM
Excellent! Way to go everybody! Good luck Dave hope it all goes smoothly.  :mowhappy
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: llearch n'n'daCorna on August 18, 2006, 03:33:43 PM
Quote from: Falcarthum on August 18, 2006, 02:20:35 PM
For those that donated and gave support:

You crack me up. :-)
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: icarus on August 18, 2006, 09:39:49 PM
rock on. XO dave lives for the win.
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Netami on August 18, 2006, 10:18:59 PM
I wonder how long before they see another money post on their forums, heh.
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Gabi on August 19, 2006, 12:50:12 PM
Congratulations! I'm sorry I couldn't do more than spread the word, but I'm really glad you've reached the goal. I hope he gets better soon.
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Damien Holtz on August 19, 2006, 01:59:24 PM
Happy Endings ftw.
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: ShadesFox on August 19, 2006, 10:11:00 PM
Yay!  Glad to see that the goal was reached and Dave will be fine! :3
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: icarus on August 20, 2006, 07:45:59 PM
i, personally, have been really floored that dave has been able to regularly update through this. i mean yeah, sure, it's not like his computer exploded. but quite frankly, when you're undernourished and don't get a lot of sleep from pain, it makes it really hard to draw as all artists here know. shaking hands and altered perceptions really take a harsh toll on the artwork, and the current arc of jack doesn't seem to have faultered at all in terms of art.

'fact i think it's one of the better arcs artisticly speaking we've had in a while. way more use of black.

so to add to the 'yay dave lives ftw!' i think i will also add 'yay dave is also a fucking trooper ftw!'
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Rafe on August 20, 2006, 09:58:48 PM
Quote from: icarus on August 20, 2006, 07:45:59 PM...shaking hands and altered perceptions really take a harsh toll on the artwork, and the current arc of jack doesn't seem to have faultered at all in terms of art.

'fact i think it's one of the better arcs artisticly speaking we've had in a while. way more use of black.

so to add to the 'yay dave lives ftw!' i think i will also add 'yay dave is also a fucking trooper ftw!'

I'm probably going to hell for saying this, but I found it a little scary-yet-coincidental that this whole crisis happened during a story arc titled "Why Do I Deserve to Die?". 
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Netami on August 20, 2006, 10:00:44 PM
He has a backlog of a few arcs. That's why the bit about his grandparents and the perfect marriage came out "ironically" near his gramps' death.
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: icarus on August 20, 2006, 10:06:24 PM
am i to understand you believe that dave can predict the tragic future, does comic arcs related to the tragic future, and then posts them during those events to collect sympathy donations?

wow, netami. i just have no words.
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Netami on August 20, 2006, 10:14:43 PM
No, it was just an ironic twist that his grandfather died near the time he hosted the arc. The arc that was inspired by his grandparent's successful marriage. This current arc is in no way a nod to his current condition nor should you think it's creepy that he has a comic entitled "Why do I deserve to die?" when he just asked for thousands of dollars. If anything, you'd figure the title was a lousy cry for help from his fans.
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: icarus on August 20, 2006, 10:31:23 PM
your ability to backpeddle is only exceeded by your inability to talk your way out of the accusations you make.

flabberghasted
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Netami on August 20, 2006, 10:37:08 PM
Your ability to read what I have to say incorrectly is just as surprising to me, my jew friend.  :love1
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: bill on August 20, 2006, 10:38:11 PM
Your ability to argue about such things is like... really cool n' s***.
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Rafe on August 20, 2006, 11:56:14 PM
I guess my point was more "jeeze, I hope he's not subconciously trying to tell us something he won't talk about" as far as that title. 
Title: Re: Internal conflict and moral decisions.
Post by: Netami on August 21, 2006, 03:15:21 AM
I just don't think Dave is like that. He may add elements of his life into the comic, but I don't think he would insert his own sense of dread. I believe the utter lack of that sense is what has led this problem to grow so far; he simply ignores it and keeps with the story and his life.