Perhaps like Arry, she's just trying to beat some sense (and self esteem) into him, perhaps she's just evil. makes you wonder how may times Dan was disciplined as a child.
Perhaps she's just mad that her lover left her and had a child with someone else.
Ouch. No wonder Abel doesn't particularly like Dan's mother and considers her evil. ^^;;
Forgive the Bleach references again, but now I think you can forget what I said on the last comic about wanting someone to use Rikujōkōrō (http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Rikujōkōrō) on Destania, now I want to see Kurohitsugi (http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Kurohitsugi). Or Both. Followed by a Cero (http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Cero) for good measure.
Seriously, someone step in and kick her butt. She's asking for it.
Don't forget, she gets better. I suspect having a baby may be a mellowing experience. Well, that and true love. =^-^=
(I suspect Destania was correct on the whole "love" aspect and that the reason it didn't work on Aary was that she wasn't in love with mopey-boy, just the experience.)
Quote from: Tangent on May 11, 2010, 06:43:22 AM
Don't forget, she gets better. I suspect having a baby may be a mellowing experience. Well, that and true love. =^-^=
I really hope that she actually has grown out of it - it's wholly possible that someone like this could do it as a front.
Why yes, Destania, you do look like someone who cares. If you didn't care about him at all you wouldn't be getting so emotional about him, and so upset that you're not allowed to kill him.
Somehow, the more I see Destania like this, the more it makes me believe that her "change" is/was just an act. It seems almost impossible to me to be evil, violent and uncaring for 7000 years and than change within 2 months (till marriage). If that's the case, though, she is a really good actress. Neither Dan nor Alexi seem to know that side of her at all. I really wonder what happened?
Quote from: Ketchup-Crumbles on May 11, 2010, 07:17:58 AM
Somehow, the more I see Destania like this, the more it makes me believe that her "change" is/was just an act. It seems almost impossible to me to be evil, violent and uncaring for 7000 years and than change within 2 months (till marriage).
I dunno, until they split up, her thing with Aniz seems to have been genuine. Granted, he could be evil, violent and uncaring himself...
Interesting.
First Aniz tries to goad Abel into combat, now his lover is trying to do the same thing. Makes me wonder if the two are still trying to achieve the same thing with him. Maybe to turn Abel into a killing machine for their own purposes?
Also, this clarifies what Fa'Lina's position is on corporal punishment. She is always observing what happens everywhere in her pocket dimension. She will always intervene if she thinks someone's life is in danger. Beyond that, there may be no consequences for cubi beating the tar out of each other. This means that Destania has no fear of being "Henna-ed" into little surprised pieces.
Heh, no wonder Biggs is so fond of having her around. What was that he said about being beaten and dominated by strong women?
Nice to see.
This i long suspected was the only way to beat some sense into Abel - show him that aniz is not powerful or particularly able to make people suffer, and therefore he has not reason to be irrationally afraid of him or consider him unbeatable.
If this does not make him "click" in the head i don't know what will, although recent regular DMFA showed that it might have been the case.
As classic said - you WILL act in your best interest, even if it had to kill you :D
Quote from: Mao Laoren on May 11, 2010, 08:37:55 AM
Heh, no wonder Biggs is so fond of having her around. What was that he said about being beaten and dominated by strong women?
I don't think that's what he meant by being at their mercy.
That... that's just wrong.
On another note, call me crazy, but I think Destania DOES care... and that's why she's acting out. Someone is making her feel emotions she'd rather not feel.
Why I think this, you may ask? Abel is Aniz's kid and well, Aniz broke Destania's heart. I think, in a way, Destania sees Abel as something that could have been, but never happened.
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 11, 2010, 07:49:59 AM
Quote from: Ketchup-Crumbles on May 11, 2010, 07:17:58 AM
Somehow, the more I see Destania like this, the more it makes me believe that her "change" is/was just an act. It seems almost impossible to me to be evil, violent and uncaring for 7000 years and than change within 2 months (till marriage).
I dunno, until they split up, her thing with Aniz seems to have been genuine. Granted, he could be evil, violent and uncaring himself...
It would have to have been something quite life altering if she did change. Maybe it involved that small hint Abel gave Dan about wanting to kill wanting to kill his own father and being unable to.
I wonder if Aniz's death would really bring her a small joy until she truly realizes he's dead and she's all alone?
Unfortunately, sense cannot be beaten into a person.
Nice try though.
Quote from: danman on May 11, 2010, 08:49:45 AM
Nice to see.
This i long suspected was the only way to beat some sense into Abel - show him that aniz is not powerful or particularly able to make people suffer, and therefore he has not reason to be irrationally afraid of him or consider him unbeatable.
If this does not make him "click" in the head i don't know what will, although recent regular DMFA showed that it might have been the case.
As classic said - you WILL act in your best interest, even if it had to kill you :D
If you are implying that Abel should take on Aniz, then here is what I think. Aniz knows Abel's weakness and Abel only knows what people knew of Aniz when he was in SAIA and that Aniz can hold a disguise for a long time. Aniz knows that Abel has a big weakness to blood. In a combat situation, that means a lot. Even if Abel trained for years, he would be like a tank attacking a trooper who happens to be carrying a Javelin Anti-Armour Missile. He isn't the best qualified person for the job.
If you are implying that he help someone capture Aniz, here is what I think on that as well. I'm pretty sure he doesn't know where Aniz is and knows less than the people who knew him years ago. He would only be good as bait. And if fishing has taught me anything, it doesn't always go so well for the bait.
Also if he was completely incompetent, they would have caught him by now and exterminated or imprisoned him. It's not safe to assume he stayed the same while you have been getting stronger. Tactically, you need intel to be effective (even if it isn't that fantastic), and they don't have any it would seem.
It seems illogical to me for Abel to take on his father. However I am aware there is a cultural belief in some areas that it should be the son to take him on. It would be poetic, but unnecessary.
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on May 11, 2010, 09:30:33 AM
Unfortunately, sense cannot be beaten into a person.
Nice try though.
Agreed.
Quote from: Jasonrevall on May 11, 2010, 09:41:17 AM
he would be like a tank attacking a trooper who happens to be carrying a Javelin Anti-Armour Missile.
BEST ANALOGY EVAAAAAH.
Quote from: Jasonrevall on May 11, 2010, 09:41:17 AM
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on May 11, 2010, 09:30:33 AM
Unfortunately, sense cannot be beaten into a person.
Nice try though.
Agreed.
Actually, that is still undergoing testing. Maybe we'll see Dee make a breakthrough...
...Or just a break.
Hey, we know they both survive at least! Probably an intervention coming up.
I feel sorry for Destania ;_;
Quote from: Scrap Fish on May 11, 2010, 09:53:37 AMQuote from: Jasonrevall on May 11, 2010, 09:41:17 AMQuote from: Anker Steadfast on May 11, 2010, 09:30:33 AMUnfortunately, sense cannot be beaten into a person.
Nice try though.
Agreed.
Actually, that is still undergoing testing. Maybe we'll see Dee make a breakthrough...
...Or just a break.
Last I checked, broken bones didn't count as common sense. :U
Quote from: Scrap Fish on May 11, 2010, 09:53:37 AMHey, we know they both survive at least! Probably an intervention coming up.
Oh, I wonder if Fa'Lina can be an intervention too ?
That would be pretty cool - I have long hoped to see Fa'Lina "flex her magical muscles" a bit, and this would be a nice opportunity for that.
I'm really curious as to just how strong she is.
Quote from: Wanderer on May 11, 2010, 07:02:34 AM
Why yes, Destania, you do look like someone who cares. If you didn't care about him at all you wouldn't be getting so emotional about him, and so upset that you're not allowed to kill him.
You must be a ninja, because that's totally what I wanted to post. :mowninja
Hmm. It's been my experience that people claiming 'tough love' and doing physical and/or emotional harm on others are pretty much just bullies on some level. Meeting Edward and giving birth to Daniel might have mellowed her, but she's still aiming for genocide of the dragons. Then again, as has been pointed out... she's a succubus. She's not going to have the same emotional spectrum as a mortal being.
So... yeah, despite the outfit? NotAFan.
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on May 11, 2010, 09:59:50 AM
Oh, I wonder if Fa'Lina can be an intervention too ?
That would be pretty cool - I have long hoped to see Fa'Lina "flex her magical muscles" a bit, and this would be a nice opportunity for that.
I'm really curious as to just how strong she is.
Yup, me too. Especially since I'd say, that the head of the "Pain and Terror Department" should be quite skilled and probably fast when it comes to violence. And as Destania states herself, she still can't be faster than Fa'Lina. Makes me wonder if that actually refers to speed or if it's more connected to Fa'Linas omnipresence? And makes me also wonder why Fa'Lina is not there yet. I'd say she'll either appear in the next update or she has her own mysterious reasons for not interfering.
Quote from: Caraig on May 11, 2010, 10:10:55 AM
Hmm. It's been my experience that people claiming 'tough love' and doing physical and/or emotional harm on others are pretty much just bullies on some level. Meeting Edward and giving birth to Daniel might have mellowed her, but she's still aiming for genocide of the dragons. Then again, as has been pointed out... she's a succubus. She's not going to have the same emotional spectrum as a mortal being.
So... yeah, despite the outfit? NotAFan.
Right , because all dragons are really into peaceful coexistence.
The war didn't claim most of the cubi population at all, and reducing the clan Dee belongs to to 2 members is pure fantasy.
Well .. actually, it really is just a fantasy ... Amber's fantasy, to be precise.
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on May 11, 2010, 11:03:02 AM
Well .. actually, it really is just a fantasy ... Amber's fantasy, to be precise.
Hmm, i just got epically pwn3d....
well played mister
Show of hands, who wants a Destania's Story next?
*Raises hand.*
Destania, nooo! You broke your nice riding crop.
I really wonder what Destania's trying to accomplish. I doubt she's doing this for her S's and G's, but I could be giving her too much credit. Maybe her goal isn't to maul Abel to release frustration/contempt, but to provoke him. I don't know, it's the only thing I can think of. D:
I wonder what'll happen when she finally draws blood. I also wonder why Fa'Lina hasn't intervened yet - I thought she could immediately tell when any of her students were endangered, but so far Destania manipulating Abel through his dreams has flown under her radar or has gone deliberately unpunished due to some omniscient recognition of the "bigger picture."
Hey, it's happened before. (http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_591.php)
Blah all I'm doing so far is raising questions without giving my own opinions. Hm.
Quote from: Drayco84 on May 11, 2010, 11:15:10 AM
Show of hands, who wants a Destania's Story next?
*Raises hand.*
*RAISES HAND* :U
Quote from: Drayco84 on May 11, 2010, 11:15:10 AM
Show of hands, who wants a Destania's Story next?
*Raises hand.*
Yes! :P
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on May 11, 2010, 11:19:38 AM
... I really wonder what Destania's trying to accomplish. ... I also wonder why Fa'Lina hasn't intervened yet - I thought she could immediately tell when any of her students were endangered, but so far Destania manipulating Abel through his dreams has flown under her radar or has gone deliberately unpunished due to some omniscient recognition of the "bigger picture." ...
Destania must have some plan in the works more complicated than just slapping Abel around. Since Fa'lina hasn't interfered yet, and this is in Saia, she must agree with whatever Destania is actually up to. I cannot believe that Fa'lina would support an angry beating of a student just for its own sake.
/waits for the revelation
Quote from: Drayco84 on May 11, 2010, 11:15:10 AM
Show of hands, who wants a Destania's Story next?
I dunno, 7000 years of misery, murder and soul-devouring sounds a bit much to me...
Quote from: Drayco84 on May 11, 2010, 11:15:10 AM
Show of hands, who wants a Destania's Story next?
*Raises hand.*
*Raises two human hands and four mechanical arms so far hiding behind the back*
MEEEE!
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on May 11, 2010, 09:30:33 AM
Unfortunately, sense cannot be beaten into a person.
Nice try though.
Well, Sometimes It happens, but never as the one doing the beating expects. I have a feeling that this will be the deciding moment for Abel... He has just coasted until now.
Dee has just shown him that Aniz is not the only one, whose willing take his life. And there will be others, and they may be even in SAIA.
Dee's re-action is the ex-lover. revenging woman response.
"He loved me, but not enough to have children with. We could have married, we could have re-populated both our clans." But Because Destania's clan still has a tri-wing leader and the more powerful of the two, any children of Aniz and Dee would be Dee's clan.
PBH
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on May 11, 2010, 11:19:38 AM
Destania, nooo! You broke your nice riding crop.
I really wonder what Destania's trying to accomplish. I doubt she's doing this for her S's and G's, but I could be giving her too much credit. Maybe her goal isn't to maul Abel to release frustration/contempt, but to provoke him. I don't know, it's the only thing I can think of. D:
Hmm among other things, she is trying to ruin a fine free buffet for the despair, woe and sad oriented clans.
I think it might inspire a department-wide strike :D (Imagine picket lines done by emo cubi)
Quote from: Tapewolf on May 11, 2010, 11:22:55 AM
Quote from: Drayco84 on May 11, 2010, 11:15:10 AM
Show of hands, who wants a Destania's Story next?
I dunno, 7000 years of misery, murder and soul-devouring sounds a bit much to me...
*Charline glees!* I'm for it! Pre-nice-conversion Destania is my heroine! :boogie *enjoys watching Abel getting the beating of a lifetime* I wonder how Charles' body would fare under a similar assault... only one way to find out! >:3
*Charles* Halp! :eek
Quote from: danman on May 11, 2010, 12:35:40 PM
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on May 11, 2010, 11:19:38 AM
Destania, nooo! You broke your nice riding crop.
I really wonder what Destania's trying to accomplish. I doubt she's doing this for her S's and G's, but I could be giving her too much credit. Maybe her goal isn't to maul Abel to release frustration/contempt, but to provoke him. I don't know, it's the only thing I can think of. D:
Hmm among other things, she is trying to ruin a fine free buffet for the despair, woe and sad oriented clans.
I think it might inspire a department-wide strike :D (Imagine picket lines done by emo cubi)
In a way I can't help but to think about a question to myself that goes like this.
A demon, and a Cubi enter a restaurant.
Does the cubi yell at the demon for eating the waiter and ruining their meal, or does the demon call the cubi a pansy for eating emotions instead of eating meat like them?
I think Destinia might have had a botton pushed here. He was given warning by her not to get in the way and making light of her revenge might have been something the son of the person she wants revenge against might have been the dumbest thing Abel has ever done. As Destinia said she might not be able to kill Abel but she probably will beat Abel till someone tells her to walk away or until Abel loses consciousness. Ouch!
As for the job offer it may still be open, but she might think he'll never take it now. So why should she be nice to him?
Okay... what makes anyone think Dee is really on Abel's side... I'm thinking she's telling the truth. Destania doesn't care about Abel's life. He's already made it clear he's not on her side. She does want to kill him, and her interest in him is solely because he's Aniz's son. To her, Abel is the result of Aniz's infidelity. She wants to kill him for it because he's the son of her lover and another woman. Also, Aniz, despite his violent introduction, made it clear he cared about Abel living and going on to succeed in life as a 'cubi (Can't repopulate a clan if you're dead...) Also, Aniz cannot enroll another student for 200 more years... So Destania would be dealing a seriously traumatic blow to Aniz by killing Abel. The problem with stopping Aniz is he's invisible. Finding him amongst the beings populating the world would be like finding a needle in a haystack, to use the cliche phrase.
Any questions?
Quote from: danman on May 11, 2010, 11:00:24 AM
Quote from: Caraig on May 11, 2010, 10:10:55 AM
Hmm. It's been my experience that people claiming 'tough love' and doing physical and/or emotional harm on others are pretty much just bullies on some level. Meeting Edward and giving birth to Daniel might have mellowed her, but she's still aiming for genocide of the dragons. Then again, as has been pointed out... she's a succubus. She's not going to have the same emotional spectrum as a mortal being.
So... yeah, despite the outfit? NotAFan.
Right , because all dragons are really into peaceful coexistence.
The war didn't claim most of the cubi population at all, and reducing the clan Dee belongs to to 2 members is pure fantasy.
Come to think of it, I didn't heard that the war
ended.
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on May 11, 2010, 11:19:38 AM
I wonder what'll happen when she finally draws blood. I also wonder why Fa'Lina hasn't intervened yet - I thought she could immediately tell when any of her students were endangered,
Maybe she knows that Dee just smacks him a bit and leaves? They aren't fighting to death. There are worse things happen in home EC class everyday.
Quote from: Drayco84 on May 11, 2010, 11:15:10 AM
Show of hands, who wants a Destania's Story next?
*Raises hand.*
Nnnnghh. Tempting, but...I'd really like to see Kria. Guess I prefer Chaotic to Lawful.
I for one don't think Destania is above "losing her cool" and attacking Abel out of spite.
Cubi are, after all, emotionally driven, not logic driven. They are perfectly capable of acting without a greater "plan."
Quote from: Scow2 on May 11, 2010, 01:28:00 PMFinding him amongst the beings populating the world would be like finding a needle in a haystack, to use the cliche phrase.
Pfft ... finding a needle in a haystack is EASY - Just burn the haystack and sift the ashes, and the needle will appear right quickly.
Quote from: Congo Jack on May 11, 2010, 01:29:43 PMCome to think of it, I didn't heard that the war ended.
An interesting thought, but wasn't it mentioned that it was over by Fa'Lina somewhere ?
Quote from: Congo Jack on May 11, 2010, 01:29:43 PM
Come to think of it, I didn't heard that the war ended.
Judging from the wording of some of the clan leader pages (i.e Taun), I would say that the war
has ended.
Quote from: Vicorus on May 11, 2010, 02:05:23 PM
Judging from the wording of some of the clan leader pages (i.e Taun), I would say that the war has ended.
More specifically, see Fa'Lina's cast page.
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on May 11, 2010, 01:38:49 PM
Quote from: Congo Jack on May 11, 2010, 01:29:43 PMCome to think of it, I didn't heard that the war ended.
An interesting thought, but wasn't it mentioned that it was over by Fa'Lina somewhere ?
She made
cubi stop fighting and go hide instead. Don't think she got anything from dragons.
A war that the 'cubi (Specifically, Cyra) instigated, and has been over for millenia. I'm finding the logic that "The Dragons waged a war that killed lots of 'cubi, therefore the Dragons must be genocided" argument makes as much sense there as if you were to replace "'Cubi" and "Dragon" with any two real-life nations. "Austria fought a war with England that destroyed an entire British Generation ninety years ago. All Austrians deserve Genocide!", "The Japanese fought a war with the United States and got nuked twice over fifty years ago. All Americans deserve Genocide!" So yeah...
And yes... Anker has a point about finding needles. But wanton destruction of the haystack isn't really an option...
Maybe that's what caused the Dragon/Foocubi war! Cyra pissed off the dragons for a crime against every non-cubi that possibly makes what An-Unnamed-Famous-World-Leader from a Certain-Fairly-Recent-Point-in-History did to a Large-Number-of-Socially Unfavorable-Minority-Groups-That-Shall-Remain-Anonymous look tame, and in vengeance for tracking down the perpetrator was hindered by Clan Fa'lina's attempt to protect Cyra, dragging two clans into the 'war', pissing off Clan Taun, and it snowballs from there into a full-blown racial war. Remember... a large number of clans avoided the conflict altogether by not getting involved.
Quote from: Wanderer on May 11, 2010, 07:02:34 AM
Why yes, Destania, you do look like someone who cares. If you didn't care about him at all you wouldn't be getting so emotional about him, and so upset that you're not allowed to kill him.
I'm going to say that no, she still might not care. Mostly because the "I only hit you because I care about you" is a line that scum boyfriends/husbands use after beating their (in)significant others into the emergency room.
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on May 11, 2010, 01:38:49 PM
Quote from: Scow2 on May 11, 2010, 01:28:00 PMFinding him amongst the beings populating the world would be like finding a needle in a haystack, to use the cliche phrase.
Pfft ... finding a needle in a haystack is EASY - Just burn the haystack and sift the ashes, and the needle will appear right quickly.
I'll do ya one better...
How to find a Needle in a Haystack
Step 1: Set fire to Haystack.
Step 2: Stick the end of a telescoping magnet into ashes from haystack and wave it around.
Step 3: Retrieve needle.
Step 4: ???
Step 5: PROFIT!
Quote from: Scow2 on May 11, 2010, 02:19:43 PMQuote from: Anker Steadfast on May 11, 2010, 01:38:49 PMQuote from: Scow2 on May 11, 2010, 01:28:00 PMFinding him amongst the beings populating the world would be like finding a needle in a haystack, to use the cliche phrase.
Pfft ... finding a needle in a haystack is EASY - Just burn the haystack and sift the ashes, and the needle will appear right quickly.
And yes... Anker has a point about finding needles. But wanton destruction of the haystack isn't really an option...
Aww .. why not ? :(
Quote from: Scow2 on May 11, 2010, 02:19:43 PMCyra pissed off the dragons for a crime against every non-cubi that possibly makes what An-Unnamed-Famous-World-Leader from a Certain-Fairly-Recent-Point-in-History did to a Large-Number-of-Socially Unfavorable-Minority-Groups-That-Shall-Remain-Anonymous look tame
George Bush ?
Quote from: Drayco84 on May 11, 2010, 02:31:11 PM
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on May 11, 2010, 01:38:49 PM
Quote from: Scow2 on May 11, 2010, 01:28:00 PMFinding him amongst the beings populating the world would be like finding a needle in a haystack, to use the cliche phrase.
Pfft ... finding a needle in a haystack is EASY - Just burn the haystack and sift the ashes, and the needle will appear right quickly.
I'll do ya one better...
How to find a Needle in a Haystack
Step 1: Set fire to Haystack.
Step 2: Stick the end of a telescoping magnet into ashes from haystack and wave it around.
Step 3: Retrieve needle.
Step 4: ???
Step 5: PROFIT!
Oooo .. I like that one. :)
Quote from: Scow2 on May 11, 2010, 02:19:43 PM
A war that the 'cubi (Specifically, Cyra) instigated, and has been over for millenia. I'm finding the logic that "The Dragons waged a war that killed lots of 'cubi, therefore the Dragons must be genocided" argument makes as much sense there as if you were to replace "'Cubi" and "Dragon" with any two real-life nations.
I completely agree, but unfortunately there's a massive double-standard going on in the forums when it comes to Cubi.
Hizell wipes out countless of Siar's youngest generation? Kill him, how dare he.
Dimanika abducts innocent babies and casually distributes them as appetizers? AWESOME.
I think you guys are getting so far off topic and into the realm of tired and boring arguments again that I'm going to start thinking about giving this thread a new home.
I'm trying to keep the argument focused on whether Abel is a loser who deserves everything he's having come at him or if Dee is just a horrific bitch that needs to be euthanized for the good of the world...
Which would be your own personal agenda. I don't care anymore, and I'm pretty sure there's more than a few folks who are tired of reading it, no matter how relevant it may or may not be.
Quote from: Scow2 on May 11, 2010, 02:59:33 PM
I'm trying to keep the argument focused on whether Abel is a loser who deserves everything he's having come at him or if Dee is just a horrific bitch that needs to be euthanized for the good of the world...
I vote "Both". ...back then, at least.
Also, all those clans who tried to avoid the war outright were some of the first to get wiped out. For example: The clan Mink comes from is down to 9 members, and lost both of it's sister clans.
And finally, the best way to hide a needle is in a stack of needles. The best place to hide is in a crowd.
Quote from: starcat5 on May 11, 2010, 03:15:02 PM
Quote from: Scow2 on May 11, 2010, 02:59:33 PM
I'm trying to keep the argument focused on whether Abel is a loser who deserves everything he's having come at him or if Dee is just a horrific bitch that needs to be euthanized for the good of the world...
I vote "Both". ...back then, at least.
Also, all those clans who tried to avoid the war outright were some of the first to get wiped out. For example: The clan Mink comes from is down to 9 members, and lost both of it's sister clans.
And finally, the best way to hide a needle is in a stack of needles. The best place to hide is in a crowd.
Siar pretty much got wiped out too, and they weren't exactly pacifists... I think the war came down to "Everyone willing to fight (who didn't suck at it)", which either says that the clans who didn't fight also sucked at fighting in the first place, or at least those willing to fight who couldn't take the beating should've rethought that decision.
... and on a side note, that also sorta explains why Piflak is still around...
Maybe Dee's trying to push Abel until he... snaps. :mwaha
Not sure if this will make Destania look better or worse, but just thought I'd point out that being a doting mother and loving wife and being breathtakingly cruel to her enemies are not mutually exclusive.
And it seems there's just something about Abel that incites hatred in people, so far only Mink and Jyrras seem immune. Dan dislikes and distrusts Abel despite having no rational reason to do so, Aaryana just laid into him with the verbal assault equivalent of a kick in the crotch despite being physically attracted to him, and Dee just went from cool and collected to RRRAAAAAGE before you could say Bi-Polar.
:popcorn I'm eager to see what happens next.....
In my opinion, Destania probably at this point in time, doesn't give a hoot about Abel's feelings or well being. She sees him as an opportunity to possibly use him to her advantage against his father. Perhaps this fight may make him realize what disadvantages he has or it will make him stay in his room for who knows how long (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_861.php). Either way she will have her answer on whether he is worth using or not.
However, I do believe that after many years, settling down and having a child (Dan); may have mellowed her out a bit. Probably, not completely as she still wants revenge on the dragons; but she clearly cares about her children, as we can see from Dan's few flashbacks (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_933.php) of her and when she chatted with Alexsi (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_712.php). Also, it shows as she's grown out of the "Dominatrix" outfit stage.....
Unless of course, it's stashed in the closet for Edward..... >:3
Y'know, we could all be horribly off-track here. It's possible Destania just wanted a snack. Pain affinity, remember?
But I'm probably wrong. Or at least not entirely correct.
Probably this has been discussed often enough already, but the scene makes me wonder if Cubi can feed off each others emotions, not only the emotions of beings. Assuming they can, and counting Destania's clan affinity of pain, I guess she might have been hungry and prepared a feast for herself at Abel's expense.
Oh, my... I really was not expecting this... at worst, I was expecting a heeled boot to the head, but daaaang something other than her riding crop snapped :U
After reading this one, all I could see was Dee directing anger at Aniz onto Abel... Must see what happens next! :eager
Hm.
If every time Dee punches somebody she gets an ice cream cone, she's holding her head underneath the soft-serve nozzle now, I think. :U
Quote from: Cogidubnus on May 11, 2010, 08:12:30 PM
Hm.
If every time Dee punches somebody she gets an ice cream cone, she's holding her head underneath the soft-serve nozzle now, I think. :U
Somebody make fanart of this, PLEASE. I have that image stuck in my head now... Bonus points if Edward is telling her that he thinks she's had enough, then she smacks him and yells "I'LL TELL YOU WHEN I'VE HAD ENOUGH!"
Quote from: Cogidubnus on May 11, 2010, 08:12:30 PM
Hm.
If every time Dee punches somebody she gets an ice cream cone, she's holding her head underneath the soft-serve nozzle now, I think. :U
Ha! Good one!
But I still want someone to come in and kick her butt.
Quote from: Mrs_A_ZeTavia on May 11, 2010, 06:52:19 PM
However, I do believe that after many years, settling down and having a child (Dan); may have mellowed her out a bit. Probably, not completely as she still wants revenge on the dragons; but she clearly cares about her children, as we can see from Dan's few flashbacks (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_933.php) of her and when she chatted with Alexsi (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_712.php). Also, it shows as she's grown out of the "Dominatrix" outfit stage.....
That chat with Alexsi makes me wonder if the relationship between Abel and Destania may have mellowed out somewhat. Abel still thinks of her as evil, as we know from here (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_811.php), but somehow I expect Destania's reaction would have been... um... different? if she still had it out for Abel.
Furthermore, what Destania says in the comic immediately after (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_713.php) the one linked to above does imply that she cared/cares, beating or no beating.
I bet she beat Dan like a wet rag.
Here's to hopin' her plan to off the dragons blows up in her face and gets her horribly killed!
QuoteUgh...7 hours straight colouring. ALL FOR YOOOOOU~.
I'm going to go die now. I had a rant but now I'm just tired. Sleeeep...
- Ambaaargh
My gawd, Amber, hope you're all right. Good thing you have the entire week to sleep it off now!
Quote from: Howl on May 11, 2010, 10:02:50 PM
I bet she beat Dan like a wet rag.
Here's to hopin' her plan to off the dragons blows up in her face and gets her horribly killed!
Easy on the Drama there. Same for the rest, all this "I hope _____*insert name* gets _____*insert bad fate*" nonsense, first it was Arryana and now this. It's a story, don't read so much into it.
--------------------------
*ahem*
In terms of Destania's Bi-polar behavior, all i can say is; "Every Rose has it's Thorns"
Simple as that. :)
Quote from: lilpuppy23 on May 11, 2010, 11:01:44 PM
*ahem*
In terms of Destania's Bi-polar behavior, all i can say is; "Every Rose has it's Thorns"
Simple as that. :)
Or in her case, riding crops, tentacles, and occasional losses of temper!
That is a fantastic depiction of PO'd in panel 3. Also, I didn't quite realize until panel... 5? How much hair Destania actually has. Imagine if she could control that as well as she controls her backwings!
Quote from: Howl on May 11, 2010, 10:02:50 PM
I bet she beat Dan like a wet rag.
Here's to hopin' her plan to off the dragons blows up in her face and gets her horribly killed!
:c
Destania is too sexy to die..
Quote from: Cvstos on May 11, 2010, 06:37:21 AM
Forgive the Bleach references again, but...
Hi-lex or Clorox?
heh I'm amazed at all the hate... reveal that a character or two wasn't exactly the nicest person in the whole world and people cry for blood.
Quote from: Arcblade on May 11, 2010, 11:08:16 PM
Also, I didn't quite realize until panel... 5? How much hair Destania actually has. Imagine if she could control that as well as she controls her backwings!
Aren't 'cubi, like, you know... ...Shapeshifters?
I don't see why a 'cubi couldn't train him/herself to have ambulatory hair; shapeshifting tiny muscles into each one would just require a lot of patience and/or power. (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_067.php)
I can see Destania's anger as being 'misplaced' She's obviously still very ticked at Aniz, but since he isn't around, Abel's the next best thing.
Quote from: AmigaDragon on May 11, 2010, 11:31:56 PM
Quote from: Cvstos on May 11, 2010, 06:37:21 AM
Forgive the Bleach references again, but...
Hi-lex or Clorox?
Kubo. (http://bleach.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page)
Quote from: SquirrelWizard on May 11, 2010, 11:43:18 PM
heh I'm amazed at all the hate... reveal that a character or two wasn't exactly the nicest person in the whole world and people cry for blood.
Yes! My point exactly!
I'm hoping that the thread doesn't go to tea, but based upon what I'm seeing and Mowser's threats, it might do just that.
I wouldn't be surprised if maybe Amber is a cubi' and feeds off this forum.
A Destania backstory sounds interesting, but Amber has other ideas. Abel seems to need a smackdown every once in a while, but Destania is certainly abusive.
Quote from: Scow2 on May 11, 2010, 02:19:43 PM
A war that the 'cubi (Specifically, Cyra) instigated, and has been over for millenia.
And yet Pyroduck (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1072.php) is expected to fight it by his father, Dan's father (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_725.php) is taken hostage, Dan himself have to hide his identity and overall existance, or be killed on sight, and noone knows where to find cubi aside from secret dimensional pocket, where they hide their children (i.e. bomb-shelter (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_056.php))
No, it's not like dragons stoped at all. (Aniz was 464 when he brought Abel ih his twenties, therefore butchery of Siar happened less then 1000 years ago, not "over for millenia")
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on May 11, 2010, 02:34:14 PM
Quote from: Scow2 on May 11, 2010, 02:19:43 PM
A war that the 'cubi (Specifically, Cyra) instigated, and has been over for millenia. I'm finding the logic that "The Dragons waged a war that killed lots of 'cubi, therefore the Dragons must be genocided" argument makes as much sense there as if you were to replace "'Cubi" and "Dragon" with any two real-life nations.
I completely agree, but unfortunately there's a massive double-standard going on in the forums when it comes to Cubi.
Hizell wipes out countless of Siar's youngest generation? Kill him, how dare he.
Dimanika abducts innocent babies and casually distributes them as appetizers? AWESOME.
Uff, one gets but short 12 hours of sleep and the comments EXPLODE! :D
I think the thing you are missing from this is the flow of time.
Correct version:
Hizell wipes out countless members of Siar, and other clans? Kill the bastard!!
Dimanika THEREFORE abducts his offspring and distributes it as appetizers ? Brilliant revenge, especially the "insult to injury" part where Fa'lina raised one of his offspring sort of against him...
As far of the war, both are possible - it seems to me that it is that Cubi now are acting as partizans - the dragons "won" officially but since their enemy can masquerade perfectly and has a strong motive against them, they are in for some pain.
Somethink like VPA vs US army - the dragons can capture territory but not hold it.... except that the war is more like a blood feud
And your forgetting that Cyra did something that royally angered the dragons to begin with. My theory is that she ate the soul of one of Hizell's relatives. This could include siblings, life-mate, or even one of his offspring...
Seriously, neither party is guiltless here. Hence, this was/is a war in every sense of the word.
Nevermind. Me too tired to debate on internet forum over a webcomic... Zzzzzzzzzzzzz...
Quote from: lilpuppy23 on May 12, 2010, 12:28:35 AM
Quote from: SquirrelWizard on May 11, 2010, 11:43:18 PM
heh I'm amazed at all the hate... reveal that a character or two wasn't exactly the nicest person in the whole world and people cry for blood.
Yes! My point exactly!
I'm hoping that the thread doesn't go to tea, but based upon what I'm seeing and Mowser's threats, it might do just that.
I wouldn't be surprised if maybe Amber is a cubi' and feeds off this forum.
NEW THEORY OF THE INTERNET
Trolls are actually cubi.
Think about it.
Tenta-Slap!
I will say that I was not expecting that, but at the same time, I was comepletely expecting it.
Hmm.
Quote from: Unsilenced on May 12, 2010, 02:18:12 AM
NEW THEORY OF THE INTERNET
Trolls are actually cubi.
Think about it.
Bingo!
I've been around the net since 1987, and that's the most compelling explanation of them I've heard yet.
You know...Abel knows how to emotion jammer. In fact, he was thrown by the fact that he couldn't do so to normal beings, so it's implied that he did it all the time to cubi. ...could it be his self-destructive tendencies reaching out and pissing off everyone? It would help explain the psychotic shifts in mood that seem to occur around him all the time...or I could be completely off base! :mowhappy
Quote from: Unsilenced on May 12, 2010, 02:18:12 AM
NEW THEORY OF THE INTERNET
Trolls are actually cubi.
Think about it.
Nice! I was thinking of this recently as well - but the problem is that the cubi needs to be close up to sucker emotions, eg TV broadcast does not work, sitting in the audience does.
However, IRL trolling is a different matter - (that is in fact how it occured to me- i realised one char. in my comic has been doing just that) - the cubi might go and pretend to be someone else that elicits appropriate response - criminal warranted to be arrested, Fred Phelps, film star... and then sucker up the emotions from the bystanders
Quote from: Drayco84 on May 12, 2010, 02:10:55 AM
And your forgetting that Cyra did something that royally angered the dragons to begin with. My theory is that she ate the soul of one of Hizell's relatives. This could include siblings, life-mate, or even one of his offspring...
Note that information on her CL page says that her actions started the war, but don't specifically says were they good or bad. Or were they approved or regretted by other cubi. I sense that that's where Amber keeps quite a depot of Shocking Revelations for future. :mowninja
Quote from: Nyomi on May 11, 2010, 10:02:16 PM
Furthermore, what Destania says in the comic immediately after (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_713.php) the one linked to above does imply that she cared/cares, beating or no beating.
Yes, i was wondering, would Destania really call Abel a student of hers if he was never enrolled in any of the classes she taught and/or taught privately by her?
edit: in combination with her saying he learned how to survive on his own from her, i am assuming combat classes or hunting or similar, not....dance.
This thread is fascinating. I mean, she teaches torture. That's pretty unambiguous. If we were dealing with a big, fat guy, the only ones on his side would be the ones playing Devils Advocate. Dress a hot chick up in leather, though, and she could be the Dean of Slavery & Holocaust Denial for all anyone cares.
Anyway.
I suppose this does constitute an effective demonstration of Abel's weakness. Of course, the massive disparity between their levels of ability rather undermines the point, since he could train for half a millennium and not close the gap significantly, but it still illustrates the importance of being able to defend oneself. I can only assume that this is Destania's intention, since it's the only purpose that could conceivably be served by her current course of action.
Quote from: Pascal on May 12, 2010, 04:52:28 PM
This thread is fascinating. I mean, she teaches torture. That's pretty unambiguous. If we were dealing with a big, fat guy, the only ones on his side would be the ones playing Devils Advocate. Dress a hot chick up in leather, though, and she could be the Dean of Slavery & Holocaust Denial for all anyone cares.
Anyway.
I suppose this does constitute an effective demonstration of Abel's weakness. Of course, the massive disparity between their levels of ability rather undermines the point, since he could train for half a millennium and not close the gap significantly, but it still illustrates the importance of being able to defend oneself. I can only assume that this is Destania's intention, since it's the only purpose that could conceivably be served by her current course of action.
If this comes to you as a surprise, I suggest stepping outside the nunnery for a day or two. :V
Quote from: Unsilenced on May 12, 2010, 05:25:34 PM
Quote from: Pascal on May 12, 2010, 04:52:28 PM
This thread is fascinating. I mean, she teaches torture. That's pretty unambiguous. If we were dealing with a big, fat guy, the only ones on his side would be the ones playing Devils Advocate. Dress a hot chick up in leather, though, and she could be the Dean of Slavery & Holocaust Denial for all anyone cares.
If this comes to you as a surprise, I suggest stepping outside the nunnery for a day or two. :V
But I like it here. Everyone's quiet and no-one touches my stuff. :(
I had to re-read this page a few times... then get my friend to read it as well and tell me that no, my brain wasn't making it up.
Quote from: Pascal on May 12, 2010, 04:52:28 PM
This thread is fascinating. I mean, she teaches torture. That's pretty unambiguous. If we were dealing with a big, fat guy, the only ones on his side would be the ones playing Devils Advocate. Dress a hot chick up in leather, though, and she could be the Dean of Slavery & Holocaust Denial for all anyone cares.
Funnily enough, even then i would support him, just out of the lack of taste for what abel is doing, although then the whole plot segment of becoming a loving mother would not work, and aniz would have to be female ...... meh
Not to mention i do not find her exceptionally hot anyway , especially not in a leather suit.
Is it just me, or is there a bit of confusion here (in the comic and otherwise) between 'I don't care what happens one way or the other' (implied by the previous AS comic) and 'I don't care about you in any loving or even friendly way' (implied by the current AS comic)? Just sayin'.
And the bits about her possibly redirecting her anger at Aniz (an idea I think is possible) and her later giving Abel lessons have been brought up. I wonder how much longer before he starts taking lessons from her? The fact that she's probably just beating him and no one will intervene has been mentioned. It's possible she'll soon find out about his blood-phobia and some thoughts will come based off of it. That or she doesn't and Abel's the one that comes to her for lessons. I wonder which way it was?
Someone mentioned Fa'Lina stopping stuff she didn't approve of. If she interrupted everything she disagreed with, she'd both be very, very busy, and very controlling, and I don't think she wants either.
Oh yes, I also haven't seen the stuff the characters are doing as 'being on Abel's side' as 'trying to get Abel to come over to their side.' ...Or maybe I misread what some posts said and people were talking about forum members being on Abel's side. I dunno.
Quote from: danman on May 12, 2010, 07:40:05 PM
Quote from: Pascal on May 12, 2010, 04:52:28 PM
This thread is fascinating. I mean, she teaches torture. That's pretty unambiguous. If we were dealing with a big, fat guy, the only ones on his side would be the ones playing Devils Advocate. Dress a hot chick up in leather, though, and she could be the Dean of Slavery & Holocaust Denial for all anyone cares.
Funnily enough, even then i would support him, just out of the lack of taste for what abel is doing, although then the whole plot segment of becoming a loving mother would not work, and aniz would have to be female ...... meh
Not to mention i do not find her exceptionally hot anyway , especially not in a leather suit.
See, I can't help but question your objectivity here. How does siding with a known sadist and murderer over a guy who only wants to be left alone make sense from any dispassionate stand-point?
Quote from: Infranscia on May 12, 2010, 07:44:51 PM
Someone mentioned Fa'Lina stopping stuff she didn't approve of. If she interrupted everything she disagreed with, she'd both be very, very busy, and very controlling, and I don't think she wants either.
You're assuming Fa'lina doesn't approve of this beating. Ever see "A Few Good Men"?
Edit: Found a cool little machinema of the courtroom scene, for anyone who's interested. ^^
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P2Fz3tZhYk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3P2Fz3tZhYk)
Edit 2: Wait... Half of the damn movie is courtroom scenes. It's the shouty bit at the end, anyway.
A bit of rationalizing on the huge load of Abel-hate in comic and on these forums. Abel has been implied to be rather intelligent and talented previously, which he's done nothing but squander. It's even worse for the Cubi in-universe since Abel has two extremely rare traits that almost scream 'Uber-Cubi' to those in the know.
Imagine if you will someone born with all the bests gifts and talents of Ernest Hemingway, Nikola Tesla, and Alexander the Great... now imagine all that person does is sit around playing WoW all day.
Wouldn't you wanna strangle that person just a little?
Quote from: Infranscia on May 12, 2010, 07:44:51 PM
Someone mentioned Fa'Lina stopping stuff she didn't approve of. If she interrupted everything she disagreed with, she'd both be very, very busy, and very controlling, and I don't think she wants either.
I think there's a large difference between playing your music too loud and a teacher potentially doing permanent physical harm to a student. I would assume that a beating of this magnitude would quickly be on the top of Fa'lina's to-do list. Given her omniscience within the confines of Saia I have to believe she knows about this.
She likely doesn't need to interfere herself either.
Memo to Dr. Ink.
Delivered by Fu.
RE: Upcoming fight in the hallway.
There is going to be a fight outside your office in 10 minutes, please go outside with your giant needle after it starts and grin happily until the sutdents involved run in terror. Thanks.
-Fa'lina.
Quote from: Les on May 12, 2010, 09:11:52 PM
A bit of rationalizing on the huge load of Abel-hate in comic and on these forums. Abel has been implied to be rather intelligent and talented previously, which he's done nothing but squander. It's even worse for the Cubi in-universe since Abel has two extremely rare traits that almost scream 'Uber-Cubi' to those in the know.
Imagine if you will someone born with all the bests gifts and talents of Ernest Hemingway, Nikola Tesla, and Alexander the Great... now imagine all that person does is sit around playing WoW all day.
Wouldn't you wanna strangle that person just a little?
It depends, at least the wow player is having fun doing what they're doing.
Abel isn't even having that.
Quote from: Drathorin on May 12, 2010, 09:36:25 PM
Quote from: Les on May 12, 2010, 09:11:52 PM
A bit of rationalizing on the huge load of Abel-hate in comic and on these forums. Abel has been implied to be rather intelligent and talented previously, which he's done nothing but squander. It's even worse for the Cubi in-universe since Abel has two extremely rare traits that almost scream 'Uber-Cubi' to those in the know.
Imagine if you will someone born with all the bests gifts and talents of Ernest Hemingway, Nikola Tesla, and Alexander the Great... now imagine all that person does is sit around playing WoW all day.
Wouldn't you wanna strangle that person just a little?
It depends, at least the wow player is having fun doing what they're doing.
Abel isn't even having that.
You haven't played much WoW have you? :mowwink
Quote from: Les on May 12, 2010, 09:40:14 PM
Quote from: Drathorin on May 12, 2010, 09:36:25 PM
Quote from: Les on May 12, 2010, 09:11:52 PM
A bit of rationalizing on the huge load of Abel-hate in comic and on these forums. Abel has been implied to be rather intelligent and talented previously, which he's done nothing but squander. It's even worse for the Cubi in-universe since Abel has two extremely rare traits that almost scream 'Uber-Cubi' to those in the know.
Imagine if you will someone born with all the bests gifts and talents of Ernest Hemingway, Nikola Tesla, and Alexander the Great... now imagine all that person does is sit around playing WoW all day.
Wouldn't you wanna strangle that person just a little?
It depends, at least the wow player is having fun doing what they're doing.
Abel isn't even having that.
You haven't played much WoW have you? :mowwink
Playing Since
Beta.
Quote from: Les on May 12, 2010, 09:11:52 PM
A bit of rationalizing on the huge load of Abel-hate in comic and on these forums. Abel has been implied to be rather intelligent and talented previously, which he's done nothing but squander. It's even worse for the Cubi in-universe since Abel has two extremely rare traits that almost scream 'Uber-Cubi' to those in the know.
Imagine if you will someone born with all the bests gifts and talents of Ernest Hemingway, Nikola Tesla, and Alexander the Great... now imagine all that person does is sit around playing WoW all day.
Wouldn't you wanna strangle that person just a little?
No. But, the way you explain it, I can understand how someone might.
The thing is, the examples you give are rather telling. One went insane and killed himself, one was naturally insane and was ruthlessly exploited by his competitor, and one was a violent dictator. They all led unhappy lives, and one of them spent most of his life making sure everyone else got a share of the misery. Sitting around and playing WoW all day is probably a best case scenario for the kind of person you describe.
Quote from: Pascal on May 12, 2010, 09:44:05 PM
The thing is, the examples you give are rather telling. One went insane and killed himself, one was naturally insane and was ruthlessly exploited by his competitor, and one was a violent dictator. They all led unhappy lives, and one of them spent most of his life making sure everyone else got a share of the misery. Sitting around and playing WoW all day is probably a best case scenario for the kind of person you describe.
I'm thinking Les meant to focus on the talented side of these people, not the obvious downfalls. You can invalidate anyone's point of view by just focusing on the bad.
Quote from: Rambon on May 12, 2010, 06:50:13 PM
I had to re-read this page a few times... then get my friend to read it as well and tell me that no, my brain wasn't making it up.
I had to re-read this page a few times myself. And it made my worry about not seeing anything special where someone obviously does, as a possible signs of mental retardation. :erk
Quote from: Pascal on May 12, 2010, 08:16:29 PM
Quote from: danman on May 12, 2010, 07:40:05 PM
Quote from: Pascal on May 12, 2010, 04:52:28 PM
This thread is fascinating. I mean, she teaches torture. That's pretty unambiguous. If we were dealing with a big, fat guy, the only ones on his side would be the ones playing Devils Advocate. Dress a hot chick up in leather, though, and she could be the Dean of Slavery & Holocaust Denial for all anyone cares.
Funnily enough, even then i would support him, just out of the lack of taste for what abel is doing, although then the whole plot segment of becoming a loving mother would not work, and aniz would have to be female ...... meh
Not to mention i do not find her exceptionally hot anyway , especially not in a leather suit.
See, I can't help but question your objectivity here. How does siding with a known sadist and murderer over a guy who only wants to be left alone make sense from any dispassionate stand-point?
Noone can be objective here, because we know how they ended. Since they both turned out well, we can't help, but approve their actions in the past. Justifying means by the ends isn't good either, but honestly, if you suddently learn that your granddad was a moonshiner and your grandma beat him regulary for that when they were younger, would it change your opinion of them much, provided you see them often and know as nice people?
As for fat guy/hot chick, aside from obviuos pointing by the author, who you should like, fatness isn't just visual pecularity, but evidence of lacking self-control and/or a clue. (do as I say! To become like you? No, thanks.) Beauty isn't a "gift" either, but result of drastic self-discipline and wide erudition on subject. (If she made
herself that, she probably knows what she doing.)
Quote from: Scarydragon on May 12, 2010, 10:12:15 PM
Quote from: Pascal on May 12, 2010, 09:44:05 PM
The thing is, the examples you give are rather telling. One went insane and killed himself, one was naturally insane and was ruthlessly exploited by his competitor, and one was a violent dictator. They all led unhappy lives, and one of them spent most of his life making sure everyone else got a share of the misery. Sitting around and playing WoW all day is probably a best case scenario for the kind of person you describe.
I'm thinking Les meant to focus on the talented side of these people, not the obvious downfalls. You can invalidate anyone's point of view by just focusing on the bad.
No, he's right. You should make sure that one become
good person first, develop talent second. World won't come to an end if new Teslas stop inventing new types of iPod, progress don't make people happy
by itself, but you sure can imagine what will happen if someone talented as Alexander the Great chose the
wrong side.
Quote from: Drathorin on May 12, 2010, 09:40:58 PM
Playing Since Beta.
Then you know WoW is the most popular game everybody hates. :B
Personal experience, it Can become like a second job sometimes. :mowdizzy
Quote from: Infranscia on May 12, 2010, 07:44:51 PM
And the bits about her possibly redirecting her anger at Aniz (an idea I think is possible) and her later giving Abel lessons have been brought up. I wonder how much longer before he starts taking lessons from her? The fact that she's probably just beating him and no one will intervene has been mentioned. It's possible she'll soon find out about his blood-phobia and some thoughts will come based off of it. That or she doesn't and Abel's the one that comes to her for lessons. I wonder which way it was?
It strikes me as entirely possible that to Destania, especially in hindsight and given her stated specialty, "he was one of my students" and "oh, yeah, I taught that little jerk a lesson or three in my day!" aren't all
that distinct from each other...
Quote from: Congo Jack on May 12, 2010, 10:30:28 PM
Quote from: Pascal on May 12, 2010, 08:16:29 PM
Quote from: danman on May 12, 2010, 07:40:05 PM
Quote from: Pascal on May 12, 2010, 04:52:28 PM
This thread is fascinating. I mean, she teaches torture. That's pretty unambiguous. If we were dealing with a big, fat guy, the only ones on his side would be the ones playing Devils Advocate. Dress a hot chick up in leather, though, and she could be the Dean of Slavery & Holocaust Denial for all anyone cares.
Funnily enough, even then i would support him, just out of the lack of taste for what abel is doing, although then the whole plot segment of becoming a loving mother would not work, and aniz would have to be female ...... meh
Not to mention i do not find her exceptionally hot anyway , especially not in a leather suit.
See, I can't help but question your objectivity here. How does siding with a known sadist and murderer over a guy who only wants to be left alone make sense from any dispassionate stand-point?
Noone can be objective here, because we know how they ended. Since they both turned out well, we can't help, but approve their actions in the past. Justifying means by the ends isn't good either, but honestly, if you suddently learn that your granddad was a moonshiner and your grandma beat him regulary for that when they were younger, would it change your opinion of them much, provided you see them often and know as nice people?
As for fat guy/hot chick, aside from obviuos pointing by the author, who you should like, fatness isn't just visual pecularity, but evidence of lacking self-control and/or a clue. (do as I say! To become like you? No, thanks.) Beauty isn't a "gift" either, but result of drastic self-discipline and wide erudition on subject. (If she made herself that, she probably knows what she doing.)
"Turned out well"? She's a bad guy! She's trying to commit
genocide! I think that's a slightly stronger indicator of moral character than the fact that she has pretty hair. And, seriously? She's not all that. I can think of about five characters who make for better looking females in DMFA off the top of my head, and two of those are guys.
Quote from: Scarydragon on May 12, 2010, 10:12:15 PM
Quote from: Pascal on May 12, 2010, 09:44:05 PM
The thing is, the examples you give are rather telling. One went insane and killed himself, one was naturally insane and was ruthlessly exploited by his competitor, and one was a violent dictator. They all led unhappy lives, and one of them spent most of his life making sure everyone else got a share of the misery. Sitting around and playing WoW all day is probably a best case scenario for the kind of person you describe.
I'm thinking Les meant to focus on the talented side of these people, not the obvious downfalls. You can invalidate anyone's point of view by just focusing on the bad.
In all honesty, I'm not trying to invalidate their point of view. In fact, in this specific instance, it was a good point that helped me to see the matter from another perspective. All I meant to say was that "great" people rarely live happy lives, and that I would never blame anyone for seeking to pursue their own peace of mind instead of some vague notion of the "greater good", especially when doing so harms no-one else.
Between the fact that this is becoming less about the comic and more about "Is Destania an evil psycho?" and the tone that some folks are taking with one another I've got only one suggestion:
Stay classy, thread.
y'know, i bet folks are starting to run a pool on where this thread will end up...
Quote from: Pascal on May 13, 2010, 06:55:38 AM
She's a bad guy! She's trying to commit genocide!
Every dragon wants her dead and she's the bad guy because she's trying to
fight back?
She didn't even kill any of them yet.
Quote from: Turnsky on May 13, 2010, 08:45:57 AM
y'know, i bet folks are starting to run a pool on where this thread will end up...
. . . Starting?
I already have had bets since this thread was 5 posts in.
. . .
Where do you think I make my living? >:3
Quote from: Mao Laoren on May 13, 2010, 07:58:19 AM
Between the fact that this is becoming less about the comic and more about "Is Destania an evil psycho?" and the tone that some folks are taking with one another I've got only one suggestion:
Stay classy, thread.
The past few Abel's Story threads have been so full of hate. :(
We need to make a thread where hate isn't allowed, and people hug each other and post pictures of kittens and... yeah. Haters, don't hate.
So we just give peace a chance :o
*Ques up and plays "Under Pressure" by Queen. Dances*
:3
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on May 13, 2010, 09:06:13 AM
We need to make a thread where hate isn't allowed, and people hug each other and post pictures of kittens and... yeah. Haters, don't hate.
how about one discussing Dee's wardrobe? i mean, she
is a cat... rawr. >:3
Did someone ask for a change in the direction that this page is going? :3
Well has anyone noticed that the style of clothes Abel's wearing here match the style in the current story and Abel and Dan are both wearing the same style with different colors. :boogie
It must be a way trendy style. ;)
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on May 13, 2010, 09:06:13 AM
Quote from: Mao Laoren on May 13, 2010, 07:58:19 AM
Between the fact that this is becoming less about the comic and more about "Is Destania an evil psycho?" and the tone that some folks are taking with one another I've got only one suggestion:
Stay classy, thread.
The past few Abel's Story threads have been so full of hate. :(
We need to make a thread where hate isn't allowed, and people hug each other and post pictures of kittens and... yeah. Haters, don't hate.
(http://farm1.static.flickr.com/108/298997880_eef283d397.jpg)
...sorry, I had to.
Getting back on topic, I think Destania probably did more for Abel than beat him up every now and then, like what we see here. Somehow, Abel learned to fight like Destania (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_734.php). As talented and lucky and whatever else Abel might be, I kind of doubt he picked that up from just a few beatings.
Quote from: Arcblade on May 13, 2010, 11:42:34 AM
I think Destania probably did more for Abel than beat him up every now and then, like what we see here. Somehow, Abel learned to fight like Destania (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_734.php). As talented and lucky and whatever else Abel might be, I kind of doubt he picked that up from just a few beatings.
Well, if he asked her to teach him that kind of stuff after all that, it might impress her in terms of sheer guts. Who knows...
Quote from: Keaton the Black Jackal on May 13, 2010, 09:06:13 AM
The past few Abel's Story threads have been so full of hate. :(
We need to make a thread where hate isn't allowed, and people hug each other and post pictures of kittens and... yeah. Haters, don't hate.
Well, cubi can emotion jammer, and as far as i see, around half posters have clanmarks in the signature....
So in a brilliant turnabout, i blame Abel himself for making everyone in this thread hostile and with attitude!
Aren't me just ingenious?
Quote from: Pascal on May 13, 2010, 06:55:38 AM
"Turned out well"? She's a bad guy! She's trying to commit genocide! I think that's a slightly stronger indicator of moral character than the fact that she has pretty hair. And, seriously? She's not all that. I can think of about five characters who make for better looking females in DMFA off the top of my head, and two of those are guys.
The second part got me laughing, but no, she is not the bad guy.(much less a guy)
There is nothing wrong in particular with clearing out another species to ensure your survival - that is how nature works, and i myself can think of several real (mosquitoes, potato bug...) and fictional (borg, strogg, orcs :D) species i would have no qualm of doing this to. In fact, i am really glad apparently our (great)^n grandparents genocided the neanderthal man, otherwise we wouldn't be speaking now, much less writing.
Therefore i can perfectly understand and approve her course of action - it is not like the dragons wish to do something else to the cubi, so it is only a matter of who is more sucessful at it.
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In all honesty, I'm not trying to invalidate their point of view. In fact, in this specific instance, it was a good point that helped me to see the matter from another perspective. All I meant to say was that "great" people rarely live happy lives, and that I would never blame anyone for seeking to pursue their own peace of mind instead of some vague notion of the "greater good", especially when doing so harms no-one else.
I don't think so - it harms others passively, and certain kinds of inaction are worse than certain kinds of bad action even in my opinion. Besides great people lead happy lives quite often - they find happiness in what they do (otherwise they wouldn't do it) And at least they become permanent in history, while those with peace of mind just flutter away with time...
The page reminds me of something I once heard on Red vs Blue...
"Oh hell no! She's always been a rotten bitch. It's just now she has superpowers!"
Tex also being female, prone to violence, and a fan favorite.
Otherwise... I hope we move beyond mopy Abel soon. I'm still hoping to find out how exactly he got banned from the library.
Quote from: ANTIcarrot on May 13, 2010, 02:02:52 PM
The page reminds me of something I once heard on Red vs Blue...
"Oh hell no! She's always been a rotten bitch. It's just now she has superpowers!"
Tex also being female, prone to violence, and a fan favorite.
Otherwise... I hope we move beyond mopy Abel soon. I'm still hoping to find out how exactly he got banned from the library.
What!! My ex-girlfriend is a superhero....?
And yes I would like to hear what did turn Olong from pink to dark grey-green.? And what can turn her around?
PBH
Quote from: danman on May 13, 2010, 01:33:24 PMQuoteIn all honesty, I'm not trying to invalidate their point of view. In fact, in this specific instance, it was a good point that helped me to see the matter from another perspective. All I meant to say was that "great" people rarely live happy lives, and that I would never blame anyone for seeking to pursue their own peace of mind instead of some vague notion of the "greater good", especially when doing so harms no-one else.
I don't think so - it harms others passively, and certain kinds of inaction are worse than certain kinds of bad action even in my opinion. Besides great people lead happy lives quite often - they find happiness in what they do (otherwise they wouldn't do it) And at least they become permanent in history, while those with peace of mind just flutter away with time...
Bah - Stop messing with people's lives, is all I can say.
If they want to veg out, and can afford to do so, let them.
It's not for you or anyone else to say otherwise.
I've been under that sort of pressure myself, being good at applied mathematics, basic engineering and telecommunications, I have had people bugging me about "why didn't someone like
you invent the iPhone?" ... or ... "Why don't
you do something
interesting with your life?" - Why thank you, I am, I'm enjoying my life already.
It didn't take long for me to figure out that when ever they say "I'm only doing it for your own sake" that they really meant "I'm doing it for
me, how can you be so heartless and not make
me happy ?"!
It's a fine line to walk sometimes, but you'll have to trust that the "great" people will do the "great thing" that is in them if they *
want* to do it. And that no good would come out of it, if someone tried to force them into it.