*de-lurk*
*reads the thread*
[nitpick]Just for the record, disapproval of homosexuality doesn't necessarily = homophobia. Just sayin'. <_<;; [/nitpick]
*crawls back into obscurity*
Quote from: Iapetus on May 03, 2010, 07:21:00 PM
*de-lurk*
*reads the thread*
[nitpick]Just for the record, disapproval of homosexuality doesn't necessarily = homophobia. Just sayin'. <_<;; [/nitpick]
*crawls back into obscurity*
No. Based on the dictionary definition, if you fear, have aversion to, dislike, or otherwise discriminate against homosexuality and gay persons, you are a homophobe. Disapproval (i.e. dislike) of homosexuality
does necessarily mean homophobia.
Quote from: Marmy on May 03, 2010, 08:09:33 PM
Quote from: Iapetus on May 03, 2010, 07:21:00 PM
*de-lurk*
*reads the thread*
[nitpick]Just for the record, disapproval of homosexuality doesn't necessarily = homophobia. Just sayin'. <_<;; [/nitpick]
*crawls back into obscurity*
No. Based on the dictionary definition, if you fear, have aversion to, dislike, or otherwise discriminate against homosexuality and gay persons, you are a homophobe. Disapproval (i.e. dislike) of homosexuality does necessarily mean homophobia.
Guys, this is a massive threadjack. If you wish, let's take it to outer fortress.
But if you want my word to the battle - the usage of homophobia in this sense is about as honest as drapetomania.
(i am sadly just having the same argument on NS... )
Quote from: Marmy on May 03, 2010, 08:09:33 PM
No. Based on the dictionary definition, if you fear, have aversion to, dislike, or otherwise discriminate against homosexuality and gay persons, you are a homophobe. Disapproval (i.e. dislike) of homosexuality does necessarily mean homophobia.
Ok, I'm calling bullshit here. Just because I don't like onions doesn't mean I'm afraid of them.
But I do hate and fear clowns (Damn you Stephen King!). :U
Quote from: Scarydragon on May 03, 2010, 08:26:16 PM
Ok, I'm calling bullshit here. Just because I don't like onions doesn't mean I'm afraid of them.
Wow, I didn't mean to start something, but yeah, dislike is literally a part of the definition of homophobia. If you have issues with it, I guess you better take it up with Merriam-Webster or something. :V
Phobia is irrational dislike. However in the term 'homophobia' it is used differently. The term include all negative attitude toward homosexuality be it childish fear of men in drag, widespread prejustice, or "rationalisation" of them being responsible for STD outbreak.
Also: disapproval of homosexuality sounds like disapproval of sunrise - it exist, your opinion is not going to change it.
Quote from: Congo Jack on May 04, 2010, 12:04:04 AM
Phobia is irrational dislike. However in the term 'homophobia' it is used differently. The term include all negative attitude toward homosexuality be it childish fear of men in drag, widespread prejustice, or "rationalisation" of them being responsible for STD outbreak.
Also: disapproval of homosexuality sounds like disapproval of sunrise - it exist, your opinion is not going to change it.
Exactly. While homophobia may use the suffix -phobia, it's not really comparable to other phobias. It's pretty much a catch all term for all negative feelings towards gay people. I'll admit it is kind of dumb to use a suffix like -phobia for such a word, but that's that.
(And sorry if I ruffled some feathers. I didn't mean to, honest!)
Quote from: Congo Jack on May 04, 2010, 12:04:04 AM
Also: disapproval of homosexuality sounds like disapproval of sunrise - it exist, your opinion is not going to change it.
"I HATE sunshine! I HATE horrible, wholesome sunshine! I HATE, I HATE it, I HATE, HATE, HATE--"
--Mad Madame Mim,
The Sword in the StoneSorry, that's just what that made me think of. :giggle
Quote from: Baal Hadad on May 04, 2010, 01:16:36 AM
Quote from: Congo Jack on May 04, 2010, 12:04:04 AM
Also: disapproval of homosexuality sounds like disapproval of sunrise - it exist, your opinion is not going to change it.
"I HATE sunshine! I HATE horrible, wholesome sunshine! I HATE, I HATE it, I HATE, HATE, HATE--"
--Mad Madame Mim, The Sword in the Stone
Sorry, that's just what that made me think of. :giggle
I hate stairs.
I hate the water.
I hate small towns.
I hate subways...
You know what I don't hate?
I don't hate vests.
Quote from: Marmy on May 03, 2010, 11:40:35 PM
If you have issues with it, I guess you better take it up with Merriam-Webster or something. :V
I guess I'ma go have a talk with Merriam-Webster. *Is holding baseball bat.*
But seriously, I didn't actually mean you were lying, or that I was in any way angry. I just think it's dumb that homophobia is a sort of catchall for any negative attitude towards gay people.
Quote from: Scarydragon on May 04, 2010, 06:12:10 AM
I guess I'ma go have a talk with Merriam-Webster. *Is holding baseball bat.*
Amateur... Take this large-print, hardcover dictionary. Yup, it's a genuine Merriam-Webster.
So that's what a post with a '0' postcount looks like.
It wouldn't have 0 replies, but it would technically have 0 views after I split it as it would be a new thread.
Quote from: Drayco84 on May 05, 2010, 07:54:29 PM
Quote from: Scarydragon on May 04, 2010, 06:12:10 AM
I guess I'ma go have a talk with Merriam-Webster. *Is holding baseball bat.*
Amateur... Take this large-print, hardcover dictionary. Yup, it's a genuine Merriam-Webster.
fff.
i see your webster, and raise you oxford....all 20 volumes (http://www.amazon.com/Oxford-English-Dictionary-Vols-1-20/dp/0198611862/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1273149225&sr=8-5)
Quote from: Turnsky on May 06, 2010, 08:34:25 AM
fff.
i see your webster, and raise you oxford....all 20 volumes (http://www.amazon.com/Oxford-English-Dictionary-Vols-1-20/dp/0198611862/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1273149225&sr=8-5)
Yeah, but it's gonna be pretty hard to carry, much less wield as a weapon...
Still, it's pretty fun to beat somebody with their own words... (http://www.borders.com/online/store/TitleDetail?sku=1596950013)
bookdoken!
Quote from: Drayco84 on May 05, 2010, 07:54:29 PM
Quote from: Scarydragon on May 04, 2010, 06:12:10 AM
I guess I'ma go have a talk with Merriam-Webster. *Is holding baseball bat.*
Amateur... Take this large-print, hardcover dictionary. Yup, it's a genuine Merriam-Webster.
Bah, I'll just tape two dictionaries together onto the end of the baseball bat to make a Merriam-Wedgehammer! :U
Quote from: Scarydragon on May 07, 2010, 01:28:20 AM
Quote from: Drayco84 on May 05, 2010, 07:54:29 PM
Quote from: Scarydragon on May 04, 2010, 06:12:10 AM
I guess I'ma go have a talk with Merriam-Webster. *Is holding baseball bat.*
Amateur... Take this large-print, hardcover dictionary. Yup, it's a genuine Merriam-Webster.
Bah, I'll just tape two dictionaries together onto the end of the baseball bat to make a Merriam-Wedgehammer! :U
Oh yeah... That'll work nicely...