While I'm inna mood, figured I'd ask this other question that's been bugging me a bit. May have been covered elsewhere but my memory of such is vague enough to leave doubt... it's about Cubi tentacles and the 'heads'.
So, known fact is if you are a cubi and your clan has a living Tri-Wing leader you can grow 'heads' on the ends of your wing-tentacles, and these heads have some amounts of autonomy.. but sufficiently skilled Tri-Wing leaderless Cubi can emulate the effect.
So I'm trying to parse this, does the essential differentce between the two basically boil-down to....
Wing-Tentacle combat:
Cubi without Tri-Wing Leader - "Ho! Ha-Ha! Guard, Turn, Parry, Dodge, Spin! Ha, Thrust!"
Cubi With Tri-Wing Leader - "Sic 'em."
Also, was it settled if Dan's tentacles have crepe suzette-heads because he's Dan of Clan Cyra, or because he's just Dan? :mowtongue
I'm not sure if the tentacles have sub-anatomies (other than teeth) or not, but I'm fairly sure a cubi with a tri-wing leader can slice and dice with tentacles (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_974.php) just as well as one without.
I believe Dan's tentacle-heads are draconic because of Cyra. I don't know how I got that impression, but I think the tentacle-heads are a standard shape for each clan. ...I don't think we've seen Destania's tentacle-heads, have we?
I believe that Amber mentioned that Dan has tentacle heads from Cyra.
And AFAIK any cubi can emulate the tentacle heads if they are skilled enough, but it is rather difficult.
I don't even think Amber mentioned wether or not they took extra power, just that they were silly difficult.
Offcourse, most silly skilled cubi are probably tri-wings as well, but I don't think it was a requirement as such.
The cubi that gets them from their founders, seem to use them on a subconscious basis and gained trough their clan link.
Hmm.. looking back on This (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_298.php) Strip, Destania's combat-tentacles look pretty draconic as well, though not quite the same as Dan's.. one question answered anyway. :boogie
My understanding (ie, I could well be wrong) is that both cases are identical; there's no ordering, it's purely thought controlled. After all, it's not like you order your hand to pick things up, or your leg to take a step forward...
The reason that the tentacle heads are a sign is that anyone who has tentacle heads is either backed up by a tri-wing (ie, even if you can beat this one, he's got someone else who's going to slice you lengthwise without trying) or is good enough that he doesn't _need_ to be backed up by a tri-wing.
The heads themselves are irrelevant to this...
Moved because the first post spelled "dragon" as "crepe suzette". Jeez I hate that.
Dan wing head shape is partially affected by the rule of funny as noted in 392 (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_392.php)
Quote from: Darkmoon Firelyte on April 26, 2010, 01:06:22 PM
Moved because the first post spelled "dragon" as "crepe suzette". Jeez I hate that.
Sense-of-humor deficiency is duly noted. :mowtongue
Lack of ability to post in English is also noted. Really now, we're all grown enough to use big boy/girl words aren't we?
Quote from: Mao Laoren on April 26, 2010, 01:32:33 PM
Lack of ability to post in English is also noted. Really now, we're all grown enough to use big boy/girl words aren't we?
Must... Resist... Urge... To... Prove... Mod... Wrong...
I don't think you want to prove me wrong on this one, friend. There are far nastier things than me about and some of them won't like you abusing the English language in such a way. I think they even have rules about it.
Rules? Ha! English is the language that follows other languages into dark alleys, koshes them on the head, then rifles through their pockets for spare vocabulary. :U
Quote from: Mao Laoren on April 26, 2010, 01:40:01 PM
I don't think you want to prove me wrong on this one, friend. There are far nastier things than me about and some of them won't like you abusing the English language in such a way. I think they even have rules about it.
Somebody's already ahead of you... (http://www.vgcats.com/comics/?strip_id=171)
On a serious note, though... Why does this forum have more of a "Poke da Mods" feel than anywhere else? Don't get me wrong, it's interesting to watch a bunch of mods argue with each other and play mindscrew games, but it's pretty much a second Mine when it's supposed to be reserved for wacky, off-the-wall theories...
I'm gonna go run and hide before five mods drop nukes on me... *Runs like hell.*
Because, my dear sir, if you'd read the little intro thread at the top of this place, you'd find out that it's more a place for *me* to make fun of *you* if your post finds it's way in here. It just so happens that those threads that we most want out of sight are the ones that cause headaches.. which more often than not are the ones that contain off the wall theories or other fanboy/girl dribblings.
Quote from: Mao Laoren on April 26, 2010, 01:54:57 PM
Because, my dear sir, if you'd read the little intro thread at the top of this place, you'd find out that it's more a place for *me* to make fun of *you* if your post finds it's way in here. It just so happens that those threads that we most want out of sight are the ones that cause headaches.. which more often than not are the ones that contain off the wall theories or other fanboy/girl dribblings.
In summation...
[Forumite#1] "Geek-geek-geek, Geek-geek-geek, Geek-geek-geek..."
[Forumite#2] "Geek geek?"
[Forumite#3] "Geek Geek! Geek-geek-geek-GEEK-geek-geek."
[Forumite#2] "Ooooh..."
[Forumite#3] *Sagenod* "Geek."
[Moderator] "How silly." *Punt*
Forumites] "WAAAAAAAAAAHHH!"
Figuratively speaking of course. :B
Quote from: Mao Laoren on April 26, 2010, 01:54:57 PM
Because, my dear sir, if you'd read the little intro thread at the top of this place, you'd find out that it's more a place for *me* to make fun of *you* if your post finds it's way in here. It just so happens that those threads that we most want out of sight are the ones that cause headaches.. which more often than not are the ones that contain off the wall theories or other fanboy/girl dribblings.
Well, currently it's also the fact that this section is new. We're all playing in it for a bit to wear it in. Soon enough the mods will tire of it, the people that make the odd theories will flock back into the threads, and everything will be more or less as it was, just with all the truly dreadful threads out of the main body of the DMFA forum so that those who want to read good convos about the comics can do so without their heads exploding ala Scanners.
Quote from: Darkmoon Firelyte on April 26, 2010, 04:05:37 PM
Quote from: Mao Laoren on April 26, 2010, 01:54:57 PM
Because, my dear sir, if you'd read the little intro thread at the top of this place, you'd find out that it's more a place for *me* to make fun of *you* if your post finds it's way in here. It just so happens that those threads that we most want out of sight are the ones that cause headaches.. which more often than not are the ones that contain off the wall theories or other fanboy/girl dribblings.
Well, currently it's also the fact that this section is new. We're all playing in it for a bit to wear it in. Soon enough the mods will tire of it, the people that make the odd theories will flock back into the threads, and everything will be more or less as it was, just with all the truly dreadful threads out of the main body of the DMFA forum so that those who want to read good convos about the comics can do so without their heads exploding ala Scanners.
I don't see why you had to go crepe suzette' my thread over here.
Because that spelling is retarded. Deal with it.
Quote from: Darkmoon Firelyte on April 26, 2010, 04:10:07 PM
Because that spelling is retarded. Deal with it.
But crepes suzette are cute and cuddly and whimsical. Have you no warmth in your soul for poor, cuddle-less crepes suzette? Please, think of the Whimsy. :mowmeep
That's it...
(goes to censor the word "crepe suzette")
EDIT: Ahhh. much better.
Truthfully, all the information you enquired on is readily provided at missmab.com. The topic also follows the a tradition in that a question much along the lines of yours had already been asked, Les. I would really think twice before making topics such as yours, of course I am with my flaws as well, but to me it just seemed obvious that this topic just was completely unnecessary and would more likely attest to my laziness if I was to make such a topic.
Quote from: Mao Laoren on April 26, 2010, 01:32:33 PM
Lack of ability to post in English is also noted. Really now, we're all grown enough to use big boy/girl words aren't we?
... Are you including Darkmoon in that group? Really? Really really?
Quote from: Les on April 26, 2010, 04:25:42 PM
But crepes suzette are cute and cuddly and whimsical. Have you no warmth in your soul for poor, cuddle-less crepes suzette? Please, think of the Whimsy. :mowmeep
No, I don't believe he does.
I was hoping with this topic to spark discussion and get more detailed feedback on the subtle differences, my OP wasn't meant to imply that Cubi use voice-commands to control their tentacles (Seriously, :erk) But to illustrate basically what the thought-process was involved in using the different classes of combat-tentacles as I understood them. Given Dan's tentacles tried to make him a pot of coffee I was operating under the impression that the implied semi-autonomy of the tentacle-heads could translate to enhanced reflexes during GeekGeekGeekGeekGeekGeekGeek....
As to my knowledge. They are a limb.
Sometimes when you are just waking up, we are on what you call auto pilot. Where you don't even realize what you are doing, but your mind is subconciously doing it for you.
Then you wake up on the doorstep, with a cup of coffee and you blink thinking "What the hell? How'd I get out here?! D:"
Quote from: Les on April 26, 2010, 04:55:31 PM
I was hoping with this topic to spark discussion and get more detailed feedback on the subtle differences, my OP wasn't meant to imply that Cubi use voice-commands to control their tentacles (Seriously, :erk) But to illustrate basically what the thought-process was involved in using the different classes of combat-tentacles as I understood them. Given Dan's tentacles tried to make him a pot of coffee I was operating under the impression that the implied semi-autonomy of the tentacle-heads could translate to enhanced reflexes during GeekGeekGeekGeekGeekGeekGeek....
Quote from: Tytaj on April 26, 2010, 04:33:55 PM
Truthfully, all the information you enquired on is readily provided at missmab.com. The topic also follows the a tradition in that a question much along the lines of yours had already been asked, Les. I would really think twice before making topics such as yours, of course I am with my flaws as well, but to me it just seemed obvious that this topic just was completely unnecessary and would more likely attest to my laziness if I was to make such a topic.
:B
I'm ascribing to the theory that true 'head tentacles' are just better at auto-pilot (thanks Darth) than regular tentacles and leaving it at that. :mowcookie
Darth who? Darth Vader? I fail to see what he has to do with this.
Isn't it obvious, mao? He's Les' psychiatrist!
Or Drath as the case may be.
Though of all the things to tease fellow posters about, such mild typos and whimsical misspellings seem like rather petty and juvenile targets. Though I suppose it needs some outlet since the forum rating forbids explosions and porn. :U
That was terrible!
Inconceivable!
I wanna read it again!
Why?
So It can finish me off!
DOH! Ho ho ho!
/Muppet hecklers
I like you, you're silly. :mowsmile
D'aaaawww... now gives him a kiss.
>(
If you do. I BURNINATE everything.
This place is retardant... to flames that is.
It's times like this I come to appreciate the quiet maturity and subtle sense of humor of the mods on my native forum.
Then I remember that my native forum produced the 'A Jissou for You.' thread, and a little piece of my soul dies. :<
If you wanted maturity you've come to the wrong forum. That's why sub-forums like this exist.
Quote from: Mao Laoren on April 26, 2010, 06:16:21 PM
This place is retardanted... to flames that is.
Fixed that for you.
You're so helpful. :>
Quote from: Mao Laoren on April 26, 2010, 06:16:21 PM
This place is retardant... to flames that is.
Yeah... Funny thing about retardants... They can only take
so much fire...
(http://www.sdtimes.com/blog/image.axd?picture=2009%2F5%2Fflamewar.jpg)
And here I am playing with my flamethrower...
And your Axetinguisher?
I;m playing with myself... *cough*
Quote from: Darkmoon Firelyte on April 26, 2010, 08:51:18 PM
I;m playing with myself... *cough*
..............................................
I give up. You win, and I'm outta here.
It's for the better. No one wants to be around when he does that.
Well, except that -one- guy.
But nobody likes him anyways.
Quote from: Drathorin on April 27, 2010, 10:48:10 PM
Well, except that -one- guy.
But nobody likes him anyways.
You mean Mao?
Quote from: Drayco84 on April 26, 2010, 06:55:36 PM
Yeah... Funny thing about retardants... They can only take so much fire...
(http://www.sdtimes.com/blog/image.axd?picture=2009%2F5%2Fflamewar.jpg)
"If he [a Sleeper; an ordinary person] goes online to take out his frustrations by calling other Sleepers [edited] idiots, we see his [digital] icon walking around starting fires. ... It might not be a big deal to have a Sleeper walking around starting a few small fires, but imagine 30 million Sleepers in here, lots of 'em starting little fires, and a few starting big ol' honkin bonfires. ... Digital soot stained the walls, and sometimes the whole Web smoldered. Some sectors [websites] burned to the ground, consumed by Sleeper flame wars until they [the sectors] dumped themselves and went offline for good."
"Digital Web 2.0."
White Wolf Publishing. White Wolf Game Studio. Page 20.
Careful where you post that pic! Don't you dare burn down DMFA!
QuoteWell, except that -one- guy.
But nobody likes him anyways.
Damaris?
Quote from: lilpuppy23 on May 04, 2010, 10:07:10 PM
QuoteWell, except that -one- guy.
But nobody likes him anyways.
Damaris?
(O_o)
*Dives into bomb shelter.*
*Then watches carnage from a wireless camera.*
Quote from: Drayco84 on May 04, 2010, 10:16:51 PM
Quote from: lilpuppy23 on May 04, 2010, 10:07:10 PM
QuoteWell, except that -one- guy.
But nobody likes him anyways.
Damaris?
(O_o)
*Dives into bomb shelter.*
*Then watches carnage from a wireless camera.*
Ooh, hope you didn't like that camera... pure sarcasm is very destructive to electronics.
If it dies, it'll die for a good cause.
Besides, the firmware's been replaced with Linux. If it's just sarcasm, it should be able to handle it.
Nah... banning people doesn't damage electronics.
Depends on if you use something that causes an EMP as a side effect to do the banning with. That might do it.
*gets ready to press the nuke from orbit button*
It's the only way to be sure.
But, what if the devices survive. Then the cockroaches will know what happened. THEY WILL HAVE PROOF!
But are they smart enough to understand the proof? If humanity is any example.. by the time they figure it out.. it will be too late!
Ahhh, the vicious circle of life.
They'll be too busy fighting each other for dominance to really care...
Heh... Terminator: Rise of the Cockroaches.. Sounds like an awesome plot for a movie.
Quote from: Les on April 26, 2010, 12:48:44 PM
Hmm.. looking back on This (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_298.php) Strip, Destania's combat-tentacles look pretty draconic as well, though not quite the same as Dan's.. one question answered anyway. :boogie
On the basis of the latest shots (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_102.php) of Destania's tentacle-heads and a few (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_973.php) more (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_974.php)recent (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_981.php) ones (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_975.php) of Dan (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_978.php), I feel safe in saying they have essentially the same draconic tentacle-heads.
...yes, I did just derail the conversation back to its original topic. Sorry.
Quote from: Arcblade on May 11, 2010, 08:55:22 PM
Quote from: Les on April 26, 2010, 12:48:44 PM
Hmm.. looking back on This (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_298.php) Strip, Destania's combat-tentacles look pretty draconic as well, though not quite the same as Dan's.. one question answered anyway. :boogie
On the basis of the latest shots (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_102.php) of Destania's tentacle-heads and a few (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_973.php) more (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_974.php)recent (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_981.php) ones (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_975.php) of Dan (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_978.php), I feel safe in saying they have essentially the same draconic tentacle-heads.
...yes, I did just derail the conversation back to its original topic. Sorry.
Not
quite the same. Dan's tentacle-heads are more stubby-snouted and snaggle-toothed. Dee's heads are more sleek and pointy. :mowtongue
Quote from: Les on May 11, 2010, 09:10:37 PM
Quote from: Arcblade on May 11, 2010, 08:55:22 PM
Quote from: Les on April 26, 2010, 12:48:44 PM
Hmm.. looking back on This (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_298.php) Strip, Destania's combat-tentacles look pretty draconic as well, though not quite the same as Dan's.. one question answered anyway. :boogie
On the basis of the latest shots (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_102.php) of Destania's tentacle-heads and a few (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_973.php) more (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_974.php)recent (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_981.php) ones (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_975.php) of Dan (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_978.php), I feel safe in saying they have essentially the same draconic tentacle-heads.
...yes, I did just derail the conversation back to its original topic. Sorry.
Not quite the same. Dan's tentacle-heads are more stubby-snouted and snaggle-toothed. Dee's heads are more sleek and pointy. :mowtongue
Hmm... I'll grant you the snaggle-toothed for now. We only have one recent picture of Dee's tentacle heads, and they're not teethy at the moment. But I still say it's probably just the way Amber drew it, rather than a specific difference in the shape.
Quote from: Arcblade on May 11, 2010, 09:33:36 PM
Hmm... I'll grant you the snaggle-toothed for now. We only have one recent picture of Dee's tentacle heads, and they're not teethy at the moment. But I still say it's probably just the way Amber drew it, rather than a specific difference in the shape.
Maybe the way Amber drew it was to show subtle differences between Dee's tenta-heads and her son's? :mowwink
They're both clearly draconic, just slightly different... kinda like how children look slightly different from their parents. :mowtongue
Quote from: Les on May 11, 2010, 10:26:30 PM
Quote from: Arcblade on May 11, 2010, 09:33:36 PM
Hmm... I'll grant you the snaggle-toothed for now. We only have one recent picture of Dee's tentacle heads, and they're not teethy at the moment. But I still say it's probably just the way Amber drew it, rather than a specific difference in the shape.
Maybe the way Amber drew it was to show subtle differences between Dee's tenta-heads and her son's? :mowwink
They're both clearly draconic, just slightly different... kinda like how children look slightly different from their parents. :mowtongue
Now you're just picking at straws. >:3 (I still think it's accidental.)
I suspect this argument could continue almost indefinitely, even with more shots of Dee's tentacle-heads, unless Amber steps in and says something. And considering where this topic is, I kinda doubt that'll happen.
I'm just willing to give Amber's art talents the benefit of the doubt, considering how whenever she's drawn Dan's tentacle heads and Dee's tentacle heads (granted we have seen more of Dan's than Dee's) they have been consistent to themselves but not to each other.
Compare early Amber art of Dee's tentacles (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_298.php) with New Amber art (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_102.php) Sleek, Sharp, just like Destania.
And now early art of Dan's tentacles (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_378.php) compared to New-er (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_973.php) art.. in a word, blunt. Just like Dan. :U
Knowing Amber personally (and having shared art critique with her a few times...oh gods.. the scorpions! My ego!) I'm going to say it's likely what Arcblade said. She's welcome to correct me on that one, of course, but I think you may be barking up the wrong tree. Feel free to continue discussing this as it is an interesting theory.
Quote from: Mao Laoren on May 12, 2010, 06:10:49 AM
Knowing Amber personally (and having shared art critique with her a few times...oh gods.. the scorpions! My ego!) I'm going to say it's likely what Arcblade said. She's welcome to correct me on that one, of course, but I think you may be barking up the wrong tree. Feel free to continue discussing this as it is an interesting theory.
Even better, it could end up being a self-fulfilling prophecy in that Amber might not have done it on purpose, but she could end up doing it purposely because it fits so well.
'Cause really, Les is right, Dan has kind of a blunt personality, and Destania's more subtle and graceful. It would be pretty awesome if their tentacle-heads reflected that. Completely unnecessary, but awesome.
Well, there's nothing to say that the draconic heads that Dan and Destania get from Cyra cannot have personal variations in them, based upon the people who wield them. It *is* afterall based around subconcious shapeshifting on Dan and Destania's part, Cyra simply made the "talent" avalable for them at no cost ..
Just like we get our hands from our parents, but our fingerprints are our own.
Either way, I think it's mostly a case of Pencil-Genetics at work here, y'know : "if it looks better ... " and all that.
:D
Come to think about it, Siar (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_055.php)'s tentacle-heads looks pretty draconic too. (more like Pip actually)
Well .. how many types of tentacle heads have we seen so far ?
Dan & Destania - Draconic Heads.
Fa'Lina - Bird Brains .. erhh .. Heads.
Gah ... I can't remember any other right now ?
It looks like Dan's tentacle heads would leave a nastier bite than Dee's and have more mass as well... all around a better weapon. So, maybe the clan determines shape, but as also stated, each individual's tentacle-headds are unique to the cubi.