Poor Fa'Lina.
Well, this does clarify a few issues on Cubi clan mechanics. And also raises more questions about Destania... suddenly, Fa'Lina and Destania's slight antagonism to one another makes a bit of sense.
Fa'lina looks like she needs a hug in this picture. A really big hug. And the midwife and hope affinty explain's Fa'Lina's love of children.
Interesting, the clan quirk is that there is no clan quirk. :mowdizzy
She sure has a lot of hair in that picture.
And what an appropriate affinity for her. If she didn't keep slogging along despite her losses she could literally starve to death.
Quote from: Lego3400 on March 26, 2010, 03:12:15 AM
Fa'lina looks like she needs a hug in this picture. A really big hug. And the midwife and hope affinty explain's Fa'Lina's love of children.
Group hug time! :eager :hug :hug :hug :hug
The goddess in pink- you have to admire how Fa'lina has found a way around the loss of her clan. Instead of plunging into despair, she is still a force to be reckoned with.
No hope for the clan of hope =[
I feel so bad for Fa'Lina.......... :< Well, I send some special muffins her way; since I know she likes them so! :mowwink
I personally would not have been surprised if the clan quirk was something to do with the color pink, since it can be seen in almost everything Fa'Lina wears. :P (including her hair and wings in that, too)
Wow, hope will beat the living daylights out of you. With this info, i cant help but wonder how many more adopted kids she has, that we have not seen.
Now we got to know a fact that apply to Cyra clan too! Cyra has two members Destania and Dan Cyra her self didn't count! (if the note after the * applys to all clans that is, which with logic I hope does!)
Quote from: Shachza on March 26, 2010, 03:20:06 AM
And what an appropriate affinity for her. If she didn't keep slogging along despite her losses she could literally starve to death.
I'm not sure that ascended 'Cubi still need to feed - they seem to generate their own energy.
**EDIT**
Hmm, looks like she was under a thousand when she ascended.
And yeah, I thought SAIA was probably going to be in its own hyperrealm.
I was going to say this in my last post but I forgot. I honestly didn't expect Fa'Lina to show up after I saw Cyra only counted Dan and Destina as members thus making Falina clan a clan of Zero and thus "Inactive" It surprised me.
I suppose a lot of hints have been dropped about her over time but I have to say, props to her to take a massive tradgey and turn it into something with potential to do good. If melancholic here she does look lovely, must be a special ability of making her pink self look good no matter what.
Quote from: Shachza on March 26, 2010, 03:20:06 AM
And what an appropriate affinity for her. If she didn't keep slogging along despite her losses she could literally starve to death.
Cubi aren't limited to feeding on the emotion they have an affinity for, it is just the one that they find some combination of easiest, tastiest, or most nutritious. They can at least survive on any emotions so starving to death due to depression is impossible as any depression deep enough to risk that would also provide enough energy to survive on. If anything the most dangerous emotional state for a Cubi is apathetic as that is the closest to a lack of emotions to feed on (of course having said this the next clan leader will probably have an affinity for apathy).
Also even if Fa'Lina needs to feed on hope to survive its not a problem so long as she wasn't so depressed to be suicidal, all she would need to do is be around hopeful people on a regular basis (consider how Cyra is able to survive without apparently being a masochist).
Quote from: AmigaDragon on March 26, 2010, 03:18:15 AM
Interesting, the clan quirk is that there is no clan quirk. :mowdizzy
Quote from: Mrs_A_ZeTavia on March 26, 2010, 03:25:03 AM
I personally would not have been surprised if the clan quirk was something to do with the color pink, since it can be seen in almost everything Fa'Lina wears. :P (including her hair and wings in that, too)
Clan Quirk:
Fa'Lina herself. You can't get any quirkier than that.
Quote from: Lego3400 on March 26, 2010, 04:08:52 AM
I was going to say this in my last post but I forgot. I honestly didn't expect Fa'Lina to show up after I saw Cyra only counted Dan and Destina as members thus making Falina clan a clan of Zero and thus "Inactive" It surprised me.
I wasn't sure, but I'd say that running a school for virtually all 'Cubi clans in the world probably counts as "very active" :3
If she'd just sat in a cave brooding for 7000 years, then no, she probably wouldn't have made the grade.
hope?
Hope? ...
HOPE? o_O
honestly, I wasn't expecting that =/
She looks much more like "annoyance/irritation" to me
Aw well, at least that means I'm not dead yet ^-^
Also, if Fa'Lina were to ever die, the whole academy and everyone inside it would be doomed...
Quote from: Sind on March 26, 2010, 04:52:44 AM
Also, if Fa'Lina were to ever die, the whole academy and everyone inside it would be doomed...
Since it would presumably happen within SAIA, she might be able to foresee it and take appropriate precautions, such as evacuating it first.
one does ponder about the potential power of....... SCIENCE, to bring a little hope to the clan o' hope. >:3
(and off in the distance you can hear the crazed clattering of keys from many a fanfic writer) :P
Well I find it almost ironic how shes empowered by Hope yet I am sure she's starving for it
Quote from: Zedd on March 26, 2010, 05:49:44 AM
Well I find it almost ironic how shes empowered by Hope yet I am sure she's starving for it
I bet she's brought hope to her race and her students, though.
Interesting that Fa'lina doesn't think of 'hope' as peaceful behaviour... (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_493.php)
Quote from: MT Hazard on March 26, 2010, 06:04:44 AM
Interesting that Fa'lina doesn't think of 'hope' as peaceful behaviour... (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_493.php)
Maybe she hopes the dragons will all die horribly? :3
Quote from: MT Hazard on March 26, 2010, 06:04:44 AM
Interesting that Fa'lina does think of 'hope' as peaceful behaviour... (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_493.php)
Err, didn't she say the exact opposite?
Anyway, it made Dan much more peaceful.
Quote from: Bjalf on March 26, 2010, 06:08:16 AM
Quote from: MT Hazard on March 26, 2010, 06:04:44 AM
Interesting that Fa'lina does think of 'hope' as peaceful behaviour... (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_493.php)
Err, didn't she say the exact opposite?
Anyway, it made Dan much more peaceful.
You'll notice that I corrected my spelling mistake from 'does' to 'doesn't'.
Also I do wonder if Cyra lent a hand with the magic of SAIA, making it harder to find, perhaps giving up Dest would have compromised the academy.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 26, 2010, 05:51:14 AM
Quote from: Zedd on March 26, 2010, 05:49:44 AM
Well I find it almost ironic how shes empowered by Hope yet I am sure she's starving for it
I bet she's brought hope to her race and her students, though.
That is true though...
Quote from: MT Hazard on March 26, 2010, 06:12:04 AM
Also I do wonder if Cyra lent a hand with the magic of SAIA, making it harder to find, perhaps giving up Dest would have compromised the academy.
I'm pretty certain that SAIA wasn't created until after Fa'Lina lost her clan so that wouldn't have been why she wouldn't give up Destinia. OTOH Cyra could still have been involved in the creation of SAIA as repayment for the protection of her daughter.
Quote from: MT Hazard on March 26, 2010, 06:12:04 AM
[Also I do wonder if Cyra lent a hand with the magic of SAIA, making it harder to find, perhaps giving up Dest would have compromised the academy.
If Fa'Lina is one of Mab's special friends, this may have been her wish.
Well, mainly, there are no members to have a clan quirk...
As for the affinity, did not expect this - i thought it would be drive or something , but hope makes a lot of sense, still. (And explains why she was trying to put folk like Abel back together - no food otherwise) (Although as a clan leader i guess it is not survival-important)
As for the wish - this could be, although.... might be something to do with ascension too - i mean except for clan Dimanika there seem to be no ascensions for several thousand years, If the circumstances were 'interesting' in the sense of a large battle or a massacre there would likely be a mention, and on the other hand if she found some method to do so, there would either be a sooner war likely, or more ascensions... (of course the hole in my thinking is that we do not know of dead clan leaders)
That and concealment and even dimension magic does not seem to me as something a determined tri-wing could not do..
*Charles uses geek otaku logic* Hmm... a betrayal... entire clan slaughtered...
:U
Fa'lina = Sasuke from Naruto!
Which must mean that the ultimate bad guy is ALSO actually from her clan but IN DISGUISE, like Tobi actually being Uchiha Madara!!!
:U
OMFG!!! Hizell is actually a Cubi from Fa'lina's clan and has space-distorting powers from his eyes! And could potentially be the devil or something! Or maybe a dark god of chaos... who ends up kinda only half-bad cuz the other god is a jerk and the title character was actually even more powerfull... there was that other manga "Id" that was like that... which could mean Fa'lina is actually the most powerful being of all but doesn't know it cuz it's partly through her other half, which is likely sealed up in a sword... created by the dragons! YES!! IT ALL MAKES SENSE!!! HEE HEEE HEEE HEEEE!!!
*Charline :erk * Someone needs to stop reading manga for 9 hours at a time...
Well she may have lost one family, but in a way, she gained another. To me she almost feels like a ghost here. I wonder if that was intentional.
So are people forgetting this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_016.php) and this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_018.php)? >.>
To me, mostly a lurker, this screams Siar betrayed Fa'Lina.
...But I'm also awake at 5am, so I could be reading into it wrong.
Quote from: Nekette on March 26, 2010, 08:22:03 AM
So are people forgetting this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_016.php) and this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_018.php)? >.>
To me, mostly a lurker, this screams Siar betrayed Fa'Lina.
...But I'm also awake at 5am, so I could be reading into it wrong.
That would make perfect sense then, she harboring them after most of their clan is dead, and immediately before (of course any treason had to happen before that) I thing as far as racial loyality goes , even Taun clan would not be for helping traitors
But i will excuse you as it is 5 am ::D
Quote from: Nekette on March 26, 2010, 08:22:03 AM
So are people forgetting this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_016.php) and this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_018.php)? >.>
To me, mostly a lurker, this screams Siar betrayed Fa'Lina.
...But I'm also awake at 5am, so I could be reading into it wrong.
I'm guessing that Amber meant to say ". . . .lead to the betrayal BY one of her closest friends. . ." rather than "OF." "OF" can be interpreted two ways while "BY" can only be interpreted one way.
We know that Hizell was one of Fa'Lina's friends before the war.
http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1071.php
I think the betrayer is him and there is no third party that decided to betray her to Hizell.
Well to me Fa'lina has always appeared either grandmotherly or motherly to other people.
This explains why she was pissed at Aniz when he killed that child and messed up both his son Abel and Abel's mom.
This also explains why she was so against Destania using little baby's in her class.
Quote from: Turnsky on March 26, 2010, 05:33:15 AM
one does ponder about the potential power of....... SCIENCE, to bring a little hope to the clan o' hope. >:3
(and off in the distance you can hear the crazed clattering of keys from many a fanfic writer) :P
That's
exactly the thought I had this morning. If Jyrras' technology can clone a
Fae, I think that there's probably enough genetic material in an ascended Cubi to extrapolate something and come up with a child. A true child, not a clone, because then you might have problems. Then again, this plan would seem to require Jyrras surviving a long enough time to assist with the process, and I have this strange thought that the other half of the genetic material used to make Fa'Lina's child...
*has a brief mental image of a cubi Roo rat with breasts the size of Fa'Lina's*
@_@
Oh dear...
Quote from: Jairus on March 26, 2010, 10:11:17 AM
That's exactly the thought I had this morning. If Jyrras' technology can clone a Fae, I think that there's probably enough genetic material in an ascended Cubi to extrapolate something and come up with a child.
That didn't exactly work out, though...
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 26, 2010, 10:13:43 AM
Quote from: Jairus on March 26, 2010, 10:11:17 AM
That's exactly the thought I had this morning. If Jyrras' technology can clone a Fae, I think that there's probably enough genetic material in an ascended Cubi to extrapolate something and come up with a child.
That didn't exactly work out, though...
True, but the technology clearly exists and can do some really weird things with creatures that aren't exactly normal. Jy's technology seems able to handle non-muggle genetics quite well, and since that was a few years ago, I can only imagine that Jy could do more with it now. And he probably wouldn't be able to whip it up overnight.
Of course, there is one concern over this cloning technology: fanfic writers and the JyrBel pairing, since Amber's shot down Abel being able to shapeshift into a fully-functional woman. *ominous music plays*
Yes, but then you could also have a look at the footnote of her page, it says you cannot convert other members into her clan without a non-tri-wing member there. Seems to me that Amber *really* doesn't want the Fa'Lina clan revived. And she's going trough hoops to keep it that way.
Apart from all that, she needs a hug!!!
*hug*
*hug*
*hug*
:hug
Maybe we could have Mink give Fa'Lina a hug ?
A wallpaper perhaps ?
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on March 26, 2010, 10:17:25 AM
Yes, but then you could also have a look at the footnote of her page, it says you cannot convert other members into her clan without a non-tri-wing member there. Seems to me that Amber *really* doesn't want the Fa'Lina clan revived. And she's going trough hoops to keep it that way.
Yeah, but I'm guessing that their ascended-ness isn't really a part of their genes, as it were. And it wouldn't be easy by any means, certainly. Actually, does their ascended status do anything funky to their genes? The infertileness can be explained away as part of the ascension, not really genetics: see Fullmetal Alchemist and the reason Izumi can no longer have children for a more extreme example.
Quote from: Jairus on March 26, 2010, 10:22:08 AM
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on March 26, 2010, 10:17:25 AM
Yes, but then you could also have a look at the footnote of her page, it says you cannot convert other members into her clan without a non-tri-wing member there. Seems to me that Amber *really* doesn't want the Fa'Lina clan revived. And she's going trough hoops to keep it that way.
Yeah, but I'm guessing that their ascended-ness isn't really a part of their genes, as it were. And it wouldn't be easy by any means, certainly. Actually, does their ascended status do anything funky to their genes? The infertileness can be explained away as part of the ascension, not really genetics: see Fullmetal Alchemist and the reason Izumi can no longer have children for a more extreme example.
I think it was mentioned somewhere that they become partly uncorporeal - So I guess the cells wouldn't work like normal cells anymore, thus no genes.
Besides, that is entirely unimportant, the only thing that can make Fa'Lina have a baby again is the goddess of the DMFA universe.
Apart from that...
Fa'Lina can haz hug plz? :hug
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on March 26, 2010, 10:26:55 AM
Quote from: Jairus on March 26, 2010, 10:22:08 AM
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on March 26, 2010, 10:17:25 AM
Yes, but then you could also have a look at the footnote of her page, it says you cannot convert other members into her clan without a non-tri-wing member there. Seems to me that Amber *really* doesn't want the Fa'Lina clan revived. And she's going trough hoops to keep it that way.
Yeah, but I'm guessing that their ascended-ness isn't really a part of their genes, as it were. And it wouldn't be easy by any means, certainly. Actually, does their ascended status do anything funky to their genes? The infertileness can be explained away as part of the ascension, not really genetics: see Fullmetal Alchemist and the reason Izumi can no longer have children for a more extreme example.
I think it was mentioned somewhere that they become partly uncorporeal - So I guess the cells wouldn't work like normal cells anymore, thus no genes.
Besides, that is entirely unimportant, the only thing that can make Fa'Lina have a baby again is the goddess of the DMFA universe.
Apart from that...
Fa'Lina can haz hug plz? :hug
Of course she can have a hug. *hugs Fa'Lina*
As for the noncorporeal aspect, I'd argue that the existence of Mows means that even Fae have something to work with, and Fae are f*cking-wacky-watchamacallits. But yeah, I guess it is Amber's call. Bummer. Can you just imagine Fa'Lina approaching Jy with the same expression on her face as she had while talking to Ducky? "Babies?"
This gives rise to the question, what exactly must one do to convert another clan member to own clan if in requires another member....
Quote from: Jairus on March 26, 2010, 10:28:54 AMCan you just imagine Fa'Lina approaching Jy with the same expression on her face as she had while talking to Ducky? "Babies?"
He's run away in terror. :D
Huzzah! Aniz's outburst is finally revealed!
Quote from: MT Hazard on March 26, 2010, 06:04:44 AM
Interesting that Fa'lina doesn't think of 'hope' as peaceful behaviour... (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_493.php)
Well, first of all, 'hope' is an emotion, not a behavior. ;)
And second, why would she? Hope encourages people to
work towards making the world a better place rather than just sit in their rooms and mope, and it helps them keep going when the going gets tough. It's a great morale-booster...but particularly inclined towards peace and quiet it's not, I would think.
Quote from: A. Lurker on March 26, 2010, 10:59:48 AM
Quote from: MT Hazard on March 26, 2010, 06:04:44 AM
Interesting that Fa'lina doesn't think of 'hope' as peaceful behaviour... (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Vol_493.php)
Well, first of all, 'hope' is an emotion, not a behavior. ;)
And second, why would she? Hope encourages people to work towards making the world a better place rather than just sit in their rooms and mope, and it helps them keep going when the going gets tough. It's a great morale-booster...but particularly inclined towards peace and quiet it's not, I would think.
In the update after that one she
did explain that she suckerwalloped Dan so that he would feel better with himself in the long run; directing his anger at her, rather than himself. A net gain for good you think?
:hug :hug :hug
Poor Fa'lina. She needs more hugs.
As far as trying to make a clone from Fa'lina: impossible. From one of her deceased children... >:3
Has anyone noticed how the Jin clan came fairly close to what happend to Fa'lina's clan?
One could think maybe the two clan's where fairly close to one another and Fa'lina's dragon friend didn't just stop with her family but continued with her Friends as well.
I wonder if it was common back in the day that Jin and Fa'lina clan members worked together in a hospital and other such settings.
It it just me, or are the specifically "good aligned" Cubi clan affinities (Hope, Joy) nearly wiped out? I guess this is only two instances, which doesn't make a trend, but... eeesh.
See also: Fa'Lina(Hope)- 1: Seme(Despair): 133
I think it's been pointed out somewhere that the more negative/aggressive emotions tend to be more geared towards, well, stuff that involves not being terribly nice (and therefore, you're more likely to be adept at, in the very least, watching your own back, if not outright being able to remove someone's appendix while they watch), whereas the positive emotions aren't. Fear, Anger, Despair... those're pretty much abundant in war. Joy and Hope, not so much.
I mean, a clan focussed on fighting is gunna do better than a clan who spends all their time tending to sick people.
~K. *: )
Quote from: Arcblade on March 26, 2010, 12:21:15 PM
It it just me, or are the specifically "good aligned" Cubi clan affinities (Hope, Joy) nearly wiped out? I guess this is only two instances, which doesn't make a trend, but... eeesh.
See also: Fa'Lina(Hope)- 1: Seme(Despair): 133
Well if Jin is anything like Mink, no surprise ...
I think it is because the good ones, although still formidable in combat i guess tend to be much more trusting and so on - if you are used to treason and so, you expect it from those around you, while Fa'lina was trusting to a member of the enemy race which was less than clever in the end... but well, we all make mistakes, just that this one was specially costly.
Quote from: Balades_Wife on March 26, 2010, 12:26:35 PM
I think it's been pointed out somewhere that the more negative/aggressive emotions tend to be more geared towards, well, stuff that involves not being terribly nice (and therefore, you're more likely to be adept at, in the very least, watching your own back, if not outright being able to remove someone's appendix while they watch), whereas the positive emotions aren't. Fear, Anger, Despair... those're pretty much abundant in war. Joy and Hope, not so much.
~K. *: )
Maybe, but it seems like a lot of work in that case to go after all the positive Cubi.
When all your doing is letting the more aggressive ones know that your in neighborhood and busy taking out an entire clan.
It just seems more focused to positive cubi's in than just taking advantage of a particular clan's personality
There is something to be said about taking out the easy targets first.
~K.
Quote from: Balades_Wife on March 26, 2010, 12:45:03 PM
There is something to be said about taking out the easy targets first.
~K.
^This. When your goal is total annihilation of a race, it stands to reason that the parts of the race that are peaceful in nature are going to fall first. The ones that are more aggressive and used to fighting aren't likely going to fall as easily.
Yeah I was just about to add that. XD
I mean, even if they did just go willy nilly and not specifically target the peaceful clans first... well, see Mow's statement.
~K. *: )
Or more, it's a good way of demoralising. The enemy clearly cares not who you are or what you do, you are to be made an example of. Mean how better to anger the others into possibly doing soemthing irrational and stupid?
I agree with danman here. Why does one need a four-wing cubi to 'convert' another? I can understand it with adoption, since Amber explained that there's a "power" loss... So, a bit of clarification is needed. Thus, I shall capture Amber and make her spill it!
*Starts shuffling around in some tall grass... Mow, mow, mow, mow, Fluffy, mow, mow, mow, Fluffy again, mow, mow, mow, mow, mow, mow...*
A wild AMBER has appeared!
Drayco threw a Pokeball!
It doesn't effect wild AMBER...
Wild AMBER used Low Kick! (Ker-WHAM! Drayco's HP drops to 0.)
It's super effective!
Drayco has fainted!
..........
Wild AMBER is stealing Drayco's wallet!
Wild AMBER ran!
*Closes eyes and waits for the real Amber to use Banhammer...*
Quote from: Balades_Wife on March 26, 2010, 12:45:03 PM
There is something to be said about taking out the easy targets first.
~K.
Very true.
I guess we'll just have to watch and see if it's a matter of convenience or something more sinister.
On another branch of the topic, does anyone think that Fa'lina might be born from one of the Three sisters of Light clan?
She does bear an awful amount of pink and white just like Jin's Clan leader.
Their completly fixed now. Hope the lord of boxes misses that little mess up.
Ehm,... Jin ascended 58 000 years ago - Fa'lina could not have been alive by then, yet
Quote from: danman on March 26, 2010, 01:01:06 PM
Ehm,... Jin ascended 58 000 years ago - Fa'lina could not have been alive by then, yet
Sorry dan caught that one even before you could tell me.
Quote from: AmigaDragon on March 26, 2010, 03:18:15 AM
Interesting, the clan quirk is that there is no clan quirk. :mowdizzy
Can't have a clan quirk without a clan to have quirks with.
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on March 26, 2010, 10:17:25 AM
Yes, but then you could also have a look at the footnote of her page, it says you cannot convert other members into her clan without a non-tri-wing member there. Seems to me that Amber *really* doesn't want the Fa'Lina clan revived. And she's going trough hoops to keep it that way.
Quote from: Madd the Sane on March 26, 2010, 11:26:00 AM
As far as trying to make a clone from Fa'lina: impossible. From one of her deceased children... >:3
Just as an idea, here's how Jyrras could create a new member of Fa'Lina's clan. Take DNA/energy readings of a Cubi before and after conversion to a different clan to understand the process. Borrow required DNA stretches from Fa'Lina or a dead decendent of hers. Get energy readings from Fa'Lina. Apply to target Cubi 'volunteer' (maybe Aniz just to piss him off). And presto! Clan is now viable again.
The two major flaws in this proposal are that Jyrras would suddenly get massive amounts of attention from folks he would rather not be known to, and, let's face it, his record for genetic experiments is a bit spotty at best (Mows and DeathBringer for starters).
Quote from: Mao Laoren on March 26, 2010, 12:48:29 PMQuote from: Balades_Wife on March 26, 2010, 12:45:03 PMThere is something to be said about taking out the easy targets first.
~K.
^This. When your goal is total annihilation of a race, it stands to reason that the parts of the race that are peaceful in nature are going to fall first. The ones that are more aggressive and used to fighting aren't likely going to fall as easily.
Also, there's a strategy in taking out the healers/support. Once those are gone, it's difficult to save people from dying of injuries and sickness. Anyone who runs a lot of dungeons in WoW will know that once the healer dies, everyone else dies.
Another proof that this is breaking the laws of timeline, etc.: According to Fa'Lina's cast page, no one knows her affinity. Since Mink wouldn't know her affinity, this is another thing that shows that the 'Mink report' is just something to be silly.
Heh... Fa'Lina's quote on her cast page includes the word 'hope.' Considering the context, that would show more on why she's not entirely peaceful.
Fun to see that I'm not the only one wanting to hug Fa'Lina. :hug I would like to see her reaction to all the hugs and gifts. I mean, I have a good guess of what it would be, but I would still like to see it. :mowsmile
Hope... that's a nice one.
So that's why Pyroduck's father betrayed Fa'Lina :U
But seriously, just... wow. Just because Fa'Lina did not reveal the location of one person, her entire clan has to pay?
Augh. Apparantly, Pyrdoduck's father doesn't know the meaning of the words "restraint," or "overkill."
Well i guess mink did not know it before he read it in a book.
I think the cast pages refer just to the rest of cast mentioned - mink is a character from abel's story not the main comic
Quote from: RandomMetaphysics on March 26, 2010, 01:27:05 PM
Hope... that's a nice one.
So... that's why Pyroduck's father betrayed Fa'Lina.
But come on... just because Fa'Lina did not reveal the location of one person, her clan has to pay?
Augh. Apparantly, Pyrdoduck's father doesn't meaning of the words "restraint," or "overkill."
Well it is not said he did it personally - more like he betrayed her, and allowed the others to act...
who were only glad to take out the support cubi....
Once again, too much trust is too much.
*Holds fingers for Dee and her dragoncide plot*
A way to think of this that might help: This is kinda like an actor giving an exposition on his character and the others cast members characters in an interview. Mink is acting 'ooc' in this report stuff (though there is still the silliness of him having to do it as a report for school).
I guess you could say that this is 'Out of Continuity' for both Abel's Story and the Main Comic.
Quote from: danman on March 26, 2010, 01:27:39 PM
Well i guess mink did not know it before he read it in a book.
I think the cast pages refer just to the rest of cast mentioned - mink is a character from abel's story not the main comic
Yes, but Devin also appeared in Abel's story if I recall correctly, and then later appeared in the main comic.
Quote from: danman on March 26, 2010, 01:29:39 PM
Quote from: RandomMetaphysics on March 26, 2010, 01:27:05 PM
Hope... that's a nice one.
So... that's why Pyroduck's father betrayed Fa'Lina.
But come on... just because Fa'Lina did not reveal the location of one person, her clan has to pay?
Augh. Apparantly, Pyrdoduck's father doesn't meaning of the words "restraint," or "overkill."
Well it is not said he did it personally - more like he betrayed her, and allowed the others to act...
who were only glad to take out the support cubi....
Once again, too much trust is too much.
*Holds fingers for Dee and her dragoncide plot*
Not all dragons! What about Pyroduck? He's nice :U
Quote from: danman on March 26, 2010, 01:27:39 PM
Well i guess mink did not know it before he read it in a book.
I think the cast pages refer just to the rest of cast mentioned - mink is a character from abel's story not the main comic
Maybe no one thought about looking it up in a book before.
You'd be surprised how much information is missed just because they only use the internet.
Quote from: Infranscia on March 26, 2010, 01:25:43 PM
Another proof that this is breaking the laws of timeline, etc.: According to Fa'Lina's cast page, no one knows her affinity. Since Mink wouldn't know her affinity, this is another thing that shows that the 'Mink report' is just something to be silly.
You're kinda confusing affinity and food here. Because this is a demo page, Hope is correct. Her nomming preference however is probably legitly unknown.
Quote from: RandomMetaphysics on March 26, 2010, 01:31:56 PM
Yes, but Devin also appeared in Abel's story if I recall correctly, and then later appeared in the main comic.
But mink has not yet, and if he will either the cast page will be revised or it will not be :D
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Not all dragons! What about Pyroduck? He's nice :U
Do you know what collateral damage is ? :mwaha
Quote from: Feather Dancer on March 26, 2010, 01:35:10 PM
You're kinda confusing affinity and food here. Because this is a demo page, Hope is correct. Her nomming preference however is probably legitly unknown.
Ehm,., muffins?
Quote from: danman on March 26, 2010, 01:35:46 PM
Ehm,., muffins?
True (Had forgotten as it's been a long time sicne they were brought up) but might not honestly be well known that she does appear to like them. Tho it might not be her absolute favourite mean there's a lot we don't see "off camera". She could be a massive popcorn fan instead, or muffin flavoured popcorn, you never know!
Quote from: Feather Dancer on March 26, 2010, 01:40:29 PM
Quote from: danman on March 26, 2010, 01:35:46 PM
Ehm,., muffins?
True (Had forgotten as it's been a long time sicne they were brought up) but might not honestly be well known that she does appear to like them. Tho it might not be her absolute favourite mean there's a lot we don't see "off camera". She could be a massive popcorn fan instead, or muffin flavoured popcorn, you never know!
Maybe Fa'lina's infinity is the big clencher of this test.
It would be quite ammusing after we go through all the the Clan leaders that at grading that Mink is the only one that passes because he got th fifty point question of Fa'lina's affinity.
Hrm... Well that little note explains why Fa'lina didn't convert others to her clan....
Have we seen Aary's Clan leader yet?
And now... and What clan was Cyra part of before she attained tri-wing status? I mean I assume that they have to be part of another clan before the do that....
*wild speculation*
Maybe she was a daughter (or a distant relative) of Fa'lina.. and she caused the death of Fa'lina's clan to get to Tri-wing status.... But then.. why would Fa'lina protect Destaian and Dan.. Unless she was capable of forgiving them of Cyra's actions...
*ponders*
Aary's-clan-leader-is-thousands-years-dead
She has no wingheads, so it is obvious even if you had not read her livejournal
Besides i strongly doubt the last - Fa'lina is nice, but not stupid - i guess that if cyra did that she would exterminate her personally
If Fa'Lina's clan had any members, their clan quirk would probably be ... ooo ... muffin!
(http://public.blu.livefilestore.com/y1pZ0l1shqBcoA9mc1Xrk4W18O8W3Wa2NULlnO9z1T-ONpkfQLC1toVRMTmouegZNPCDiPIexMv_3f1nj1Px2X26g/muffin.png)
Om nom nom nom nom nom ...
:D
I kind of wonder if it's possible to descend from tri-wing status at will?
Granted, with all the precautions Amber seems to have taken in making clan Fa'Lina a one-woman operation, it may never happen even if it were possible. And it would be extremely dangerous both to SAIA and her own life if she did it, so it wouldn't be a risk she would take unless she were somehow secure.
But I wonder. Maybe one day, far in the future, given my hypothesis to be correct, there will be other little hopelings running about. :)
Quote from: Alondro on March 26, 2010, 07:47:22 AM
Fa'lina = Sasuke from Naruto!
Which must mean that the ultimate bad guy is ALSO actually from her clan but IN DISGUISE, like Tobi actually being Uchiha Madara!!!
You need to do spoiler alerts, some of us haven't watched the entire series yet!!! D:<
Quote from: danman on March 26, 2010, 10:33:43 AM
This gives rise to the question, what exactly must one do to convert another clan member to own clan if in requires another member....
Actually, Amber has already answered that in a previous thread =/
Don't remember how it went, though...
Quote from: Morgan on March 26, 2010, 03:05:02 PM
I kind of wonder if it's possible to descend from tri-wing status at will?
Ugh! Somebody to do that would nominate for furrean darwin award!
(Oh wait - they Gain the ability to reproduce that way.... we need a new award!)
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on March 26, 2010, 02:58:32 PM
If Fa'Lina's clan had any members, their clan quirk would probably be ... ooo ... muffin!
Om nom nom nom nom nom ...
:D
I'm guessing in Fa'Lina's case, as long as there are muffins, there is hope...
Has anyone else noticed that Fa'Lina's clan symbol is vaguely similar to the Eyes of Horus?
Quote from: Morgan on March 26, 2010, 03:05:02 PM
I kind of wonder if it's possible to descend from tri-wing status at will?
I'd say that's very unlikely. It would be a trivial solution to the reproduction problem, which looks like it's pretty intractable from the way Amber's been handling it.
Oh, I agree, but it would be a curious thing.
Looking through the lens of logic, it seems quite obvious to me that Amber has no interest in expanding Fa'Lina's clan, which means she likely has all bases covered on the baby-making front.
But from a fan perspective, I can't help but have a bit of hope for the hope clan, haha.
I say the hope lies in Jycorp...
Quote from: Scow2 on March 26, 2010, 05:21:23 PM
I say the hope lies in Jycorp...
Or someone with more magic than anyone has a right to.
Quote from: Scow2 on March 26, 2010, 05:21:23 PM
I say the hope lies in Jycorp...
Agreed - in that vain, too bad the Christmas strips this year were all non-canon. Jy could've used that time machine to go back before the massacre of Fa'lina's clan and bring one of them to the present (or simply warn them about the betrayal before it happens, but that would mess up the past more than bringing someone who would've died otherwise to the future...although bringing the "dead" person to the present would cause problems too)...assuming he could convince one to make the trip. Then again, maybe it's a good thing that his time-travel machine isn't real since time travel can really mess things up...
Meh. You guys are overthinking it with the whole "Jyrras cloning" thing.
I just have one question: does Clan Affinity survive being ripped outside of space and time and brought forward seven thousand years or so?
And how does one stop the caterwauling of a dozen or so Cubi children without killing them? oO
So, Cyra ascended to tri-wing status which for some yet unknown reason triggered the dragon/cubi war. Fa'lina refused to hand over Cyra to the dragons, her clan was wiped out. The 'cubi in general seemed do be a very doomed race at this point. Then Fa'lina returns, with SAIA, and restores something to all 'cubi. Hope.
Sound about right? :3
Quote from: Tangent on March 26, 2010, 07:43:01 PM
And how does one stop the caterwauling of a dozen or so Cubi children without killing them? oO
I think Aniz is the expert in that.
Quote from: Tangent on March 26, 2010, 07:43:01 PM
I just have one question: does Clan Affinity survive being ripped outside of space and time and brought forward seven thousand years or so?
Which brings up a couple of questions for me, if time-travel rids a cubi of their Clan Affinity, how does that impact the cubi? Would they lose their powers or at least their clan marking? Would die?
I'm pretty sure the whole conversion process (and requirement) is for the purposes of saying "Once you've crossed the threshold, you can't make any more clanfolk, period" and probably keeps folks from, say, turning tri-wing as soon as they're out of the academy and trying to just have a convert-only clan.
i.e. if Cubi were an MMO, Clan Leaders would be player avatars who can control the clan and generate resources, but can't act directly on improving their clan strength short of, say, ordering all their male members to go out and bed a continent's worth of beings. It just happens that Fa'Lina decided to keep playing past her personal Game Over and found a nice bug in the system to exploit.
Quote from: Lyric on March 26, 2010, 08:20:39 PM
Quote from: Tangent on March 26, 2010, 07:43:01 PM
I just have one question: does Clan Affinity survive being ripped outside of space and time and brought forward seven thousand years or so?
Which brings up a couple of questions for me, if time-travel rids a cubi of their Clan Affinity, how does that impact the cubi? Would they lose their powers or at least their clan marking? Would die?
No i think - a cubi with dead leader is for all purposes practically clanless and Aary says it makes them somewhat less powerful.
I wonder what would happen if a Tri-Wing could ascend further, to a Quad-Wing ?
Would such a cubi even be able to walk with so many wings on her backside ?
And I wonder just how dangerous Fa'Lina could become as such a creature?
What with her madness only held at bay by keeping herself busy with the academy and all that.
Ah well, so far there doesn't seem to be any such creatures, and if older clan leaders haven't found a way, there probably won't be a Quad-Wing.
Quote from: danman on March 26, 2010, 08:40:04 PMQuote from: Lyric on March 26, 2010, 08:20:39 PMQuote from: Tangent on March 26, 2010, 07:43:01 PMI just have one question: does Clan Affinity survive being ripped outside of space and time and brought forward seven thousand years or so?
Which brings up a couple of questions for me, if time-travel rids a cubi of their Clan Affinity, how does that impact the cubi? Would they lose their powers or at least their clan marking? Would die?
No i think - a cubi with dead leader is for all purposes practically clanless and Aary says it makes them somewhat less powerful.
I believe it has been mentioned that a clan can continue without a leader, by the simple expedient of appointing a new leader.
It would be traumatic, sure, but possible all the same. And yes, it would most likely decrease the clans power.
Possibly even create a split of the clan, into two clans, or have some of the clans members joinanother clan.
Plenty of possibilities there.
Actually, I was considering that. What if the reason a tri-wing cannot have children is that the mate has insufficient power? In short... in order for a tri-wing to have additional children, he or she would have to mate with another tri-wing, or a Creature of similar or greater power (say, a Demon or a Fae).
Of course, Amber is the Creatrix of this realm, so if she says no, it means no.
Hey! Stop taking apart the 360! Um, excuse me, got some hyperactive imaginary cubi running amuck... darn kittens went AWOL on me. *wanders off*
That's an idea - that ascended 'Cubi can only mate with 'Cubi or creatures of suitable strength. Wouldn't it be twisted if Fa'Lina and Hizell were actually a power match? Haha. Oh boy.
Also, the fae thing wouldn't work. :/ It would just make a little blank person that would never have a personality and whose body would die on its 21st birthday. Faeries can't date outside the race. It's sad. :(
My belief is that eventually it becomes an enormously powerful creature composed just of wings (with blindsight and all the senses you haven't even heard about)
Something like a gibbering orb, just with wings
Quote from: Morgan on March 26, 2010, 09:55:19 PM
That's an idea - that ascended 'Cubi can only mate with 'Cubi or creatures of suitable strength. Wouldn't it be twisted if Fa'Lina and Hizell were actually a power match? Haha. Oh boy.
I think you are onto why she and Hizell were friends before the treason ... this would make a lot of sense since with romantic interests one's brain tends to go on holiday
Quote from: jeffh4 on March 26, 2010, 09:54:00 AM
Quote from: Nekette on March 26, 2010, 08:22:03 AM
So are people forgetting this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_016.php) and this (http://www.missmab.com/Comics/Ab_018.php)? >.>
To me, mostly a lurker, this screams Siar betrayed Fa'Lina.
...But I'm also awake at 5am, so I could be reading into it wrong.
I'm guessing that Amber meant to say ". . . .lead to the betrayal BY one of her closest friends. . ." rather than "OF." "OF" can be interpreted two ways while "BY" can only be interpreted one way.
We know that Hizell was one of Fa'Lina's friends before the war.
http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1071.php
I think the betrayer is him and there is no third party that decided to betray her to Hizell.
Yeah... I wanna know where your getting the idea that Hizell and Pryodaddy are the same dragon.
Quote from: jeffh4 on March 26, 2010, 09:54:00 AM
We know that Hizell was one of Fa'Lina's friends before the war.
http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1071.php
I think the betrayer is him and there is no third party that decided to betray her to Hizell.
Quote from: Lego3400 on March 26, 2010, 11:50:00 PM
Yeah... I wanna know where your getting the idea that Hizell and Pryodaddy are the same dragon.
I'm at a loss to find where that arc says "Hizell" was Ducky's father or Fa'Lina's friend. All it says is that
Ducky's father was her friend.
Quote from: Trazz on March 26, 2010, 03:57:55 PM
Quote from: Alondro on March 26, 2010, 07:47:22 AM
Fa'lina = Sasuke from Naruto!
Which must mean that the ultimate bad guy is ALSO actually from her clan but IN DISGUISE, like Tobi actually being Uchiha Madara!!!
You need to do spoiler alerts, some of us haven't watched the entire series yet!!! D:<
Some of us have never seen any of it and have no idea what you're talking about.
I don't know. It seems a general "tri-wings can't have children" would be problematic. A cubi becomes a member of a clan either by being born into it or converting into it. It would seem that any pre-existing children at the time of ascension would remain in the old clan. I suppose it could be possible to start a new clan before becoming tri-wing.
All in all, I think it would be simpler to say that Fa'lina's interest in adding clan members has passed. Other things are more important to her. And Amber wouldn't be the first author to introduce clunkers and/or inconsistencies in order to force a particular result.
Quote from: danman on March 26, 2010, 01:35:46 PM
Quote from: RandomMetaphysics on March 26, 2010, 01:31:56 PM
Yes, but Devin also appeared in Abel's story if I recall correctly, and then later appeared in the main comic.
But mink has not yet, and if he will either the cast page will be revised or it will not be :D
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Not all dragons! What about Pyroduck? He's nice :U
Do you know what collateral damage is ? :mwaha
Quote from: Feather Dancer on March 26, 2010, 01:35:10 PM
You're kinda confusing affinity and food here. Because this is a demo page, Hope is correct. Her nomming preference however is probably legitly unknown.
Ehm,., muffins?
Wait, hold up. This is probably a stupid and off topic question, but... Isn't Mink a girl? *cowers behind flame shield*
Quote from: SoWhatIfImFurry on March 27, 2010, 01:05:21 AM
Wait, hold up. This is probably a stupid and off topic question, but... Isn't Mink a girl? *cowers behind flame shield*
Mink is a squiggly, simple as that! :mowhappy
sooo... he/she has no gender?
If Mink does, it hasn't been specified. Welcome to the forums by the way!
Quote from: James StarRunner on March 27, 2010, 01:30:34 AM
If Mink does, it hasn't been specified. Welcome to the forums by the way!
And on that note, please make sure you read the forum rules as well (if you already haven't). :3
So I Welcome you, too; SoWhatIfImFurry!! :mowhappy
Quad-wing cubi.... I vote the 4th set goes on the ankles. Hermes, anyone?
Right now it's only speculation that Hizell and Pyro's father are the same. Short of author-confirmation or comic-reveal, we can only guess.
thanks guys! really glad to be here! :mowcookie
Quote from: Pvblivs on March 27, 2010, 12:30:41 AM
I don't know. It seems a general "tri-wings can't have children" would be problematic.
I see it as part of the price you pay.
QuoteA cubi becomes a member of a clan either by being born into it or converting into it. It would seem that any pre-existing children at the time of ascension would remain in the old clan. I suppose it could be possible to start a new clan before becoming tri-wing.
I think that's the case. It does seem to be possible to start a clan without ascending, most likely by branching yourself and like-minded individuals into a new one. So the way I see it, you have your children and gather your followers and then, when you're ready, you ascend (or die trying).
Quote from: Arcblade on March 27, 2010, 02:13:23 AMQuad-wing cubi.... I vote the 4th set goes on the ankles. Hermes, anyone?
Nah ... should be a pair of HUGE backwings that makes them fall backwards, that would so fit the DMFA universe.
"Yeah, I considered becoming a Quad-Wing, but I like to have a balance, so I didnt."
:D
Quote from: Arcblade on March 27, 2010, 02:13:23 AMRight now it's only speculation that Hizell and Pyro's father are the same. Short of author-confirmation or comic-reveal, we can only guess.
Lots 'n' lots 'n' LOTS of speculation.
But yeah, we don't know if his father is Hizell.
In fact, I suspect that Amber would deliberately not make him Hizell, just to throw us a curveball. :)
The Dragons most notorious for Cubi-slaying are Ducky's dad and Hizell, who are known for slaying entire clans D:
I doubt the Cubi vs. Dragons war had several leaders on the Cubi side, but only one on the dragons side :/
I'm going to guess they are different dragons...
Quote from: Sind on March 27, 2010, 06:51:16 AM
I doubt the Cubi vs. Dragons war had several leaders on the Cubi side, but only one on the dragons side :/
We don't know how many Dragons there are active in Furrae - it might be fewer than 100.
Gust had one of thous weird 4am epiphany. I never noticed this before but her clan mark looks like a lot like pink snork when your tiered. :mowdizzy
Quote from: nicoreon the tyrannical on March 27, 2010, 07:52:35 AM
Gust had one of thous weird 4am epiphany. I never noticed this before but her clan mark looks like a lot like pink snork when your tiered. :mowdizzy
... Also, you become incoherent. Try getting some sleep, then coming back.
Well, we do know a single Dragon can destroy an entire powerful clan quickly... so there may be very few Dragons in Furrae, and Dan owes one of them money!
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 27, 2010, 05:28:18 AM
Quote from: Pvblivs on March 27, 2010, 12:30:41 AM
I don't know. It seems a general "tri-wings can't have children" would be problematic.
I see it as part of the price you pay.
I meant problematic for the coherency of the DMFA universe, not for the individual cubi. As I said, founding a clan before ascending might be made to work. But if a new cubi are born into the stronger clan of the two parents (I seem to remember that being one of the rules) it is difficult to see how that could be the fledgeling clan unless the founder were already ascended.
Quote from: Pvblivs on March 27, 2010, 12:56:52 PM
I meant problematic for the coherency of the DMFA universe, not for the individual cubi.
Ah, right. All the same, one of the things Amber seems to have done as a whole is to balance things out, so that for every advantage there is a major weakness.
QuoteAs I said, founding a clan before ascending might be made to work. But if a new cubi are born into the stronger clan of the two parents (I seem to remember that being one of the rules) it is difficult to see how that could be the fledgeling clan unless the founder were already ascended.
True, but only if the parents are both 'Cubi. If one of them is a Being or a 'lesser Creature', e.g. a Gryphon, Phoenix etc, the child will more often than not be 'Cubi.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 27, 2010, 04:02:58 PM
True, but only if the parents are both 'Cubi. If one of them is a Being or a 'lesser Creature', e.g. a Gryphon, Phoenix etc, the child will more often than not be 'Cubi.
Uh.. are you sure about that? That doesn't match up with what was said here (http://www.missmab.com/Demo/HG02.php).
Quote from: Mao Laoren on March 27, 2010, 06:12:47 PM
Uh.. are you sure about that? That doesn't match up with what was said here (http://www.missmab.com/Demo/HG02.php).
Not really... it's difficult to be 100% sure of anything with that page. It's rather vague and full of "if" and "almost always".
For instance, I thought that you'd never get a 'Cubi out of a Demon/Cubi pairing, but rereading it, panel 2 contradicts that. Presumably you'd have to have a powerful 'Cubi and a weak demon.
Then you've got the whole "if she became a 'Cubi" thing with Matilda, which again might be dependent on Dan and Matilda's relative power levels.
And them you've got Aniz not 100% sure that Abel was going to be a 'Cubi, when May was a Being...
EDIT:
At the end of the day the point I was making was that if you want to ensure that the child is a member of the clan, you'd choose a weaker, non-'Cubi as your partner, which (all things being equal) should result in a 'Cubi who is a member of your clan. If there's something which contradicts that on the page, I'm not seeing it :B
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 26, 2010, 07:22:21 AM
Quote from: MT Hazard on March 26, 2010, 06:12:04 AM
[Also I do wonder if Cyra lent a hand with the magic of SAIA, making it harder to find, perhaps giving up Dest would have compromised the academy.
If Fa'Lina is one of Mab's special friends, this may have been her wish.
Hm, I like the sound of this theory! I'ma sit on it now, and watch what develops.
Quote from: Tapewolf on March 27, 2010, 06:33:37 PM
Not really... it's difficult to be 100% sure of anything with that page. It's rather vague and full of "if" and "almost always".
For instance, I thought that you'd never get a 'Cubi out of a Demon/Cubi pairing, but rereading it, panel 2 contradicts that. Presumably you'd have to have a powerful 'Cubi and a weak demon.
Then you've got the whole "if she became a 'Cubi" thing with Matilda, which again might be dependent on Dan and Matilda's relative power levels.
And them you've got Aniz not 100% sure that Abel was going to be a 'Cubi, when May was a Being...
EDIT:
At the end of the day the point I was making was that if you want to ensure that the child is a member of the clan, you'd choose a weaker, non-'Cubi as your partner, which (all things being equal) should result in a 'Cubi who is a member of your clan. If there's something which contradicts that on the page, I'm not seeing it :B
Actually, looking back, I misread your statement as saying that more often than not, the child wasn't cubi when paired with a 'lesser' species and that you were citing Aniz as an example. My mistake.
Quote from: Lego3400 on March 26, 2010, 11:50:00 PM
Yeah... I wanna know where your getting the idea that Hizell and Pryodaddy are the same dragon.
Well, Pyroduck says "He betrayed her. Took her entire clan." And, what other Dragon would take Fa'Lina's clan? Because in her Clan page, it said that she was betrayed by a friend, and her whole clan was slaughtered. So I have a HUGE hunch that Pyroduck's father is indeed Hizell. Also. In Abel's Story, that one panel that shows the outline of Hizell looks exactly like the face of Pyroduck's father with few drawing errors. Here, look for yourself:
http://missmab.com/Comics/Ab_055.php - Outline of Hizell
http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1072.php - Pyroduck's Father
And the horns on his chin and nose MATCH. People have said this though: "Oh but they're not the same size. Well not all drawings of a character will look exactly the same as another hm? anyways that was my proof. Sleep now. *fump* :U
Huge apologizes for double posting, but I couldn't type anymore in my previous post. Thank you.
I would like to note also he fact that Pyroduck's dad stated that several of his children had been killed by what race? Cubi. So, maybe another tidbit to that theory of Pyroducky's daddy being Hizell? :B
But he included Pyroduck in the list of children "Destroyed". That leaves a (very, VERY SLIM) chance that not all of Pyro's other "Taken" siblings are in fact dead. ...they probbably ARE though. And if any ARE still alive, they most likely aren't going to have as nice a childhood as Pyro did.
I still see nothing definitely equating Pyro's father with Hizell. Yes, they're both dragons, but that's as far as the evidence goes. I'm sure we've seen other cubi with similar silhouettes to Dan, but that doesn't mean a feline incubus silhouette is Dan.
Quote from: AmigaDragon on March 27, 2010, 10:42:19 PM
I still see nothing definitely equating Pyro's father with Hizell. Yes, they're both dragons, but that's as far as the evidence goes. I'm sure we've seen other cubi with similar silhouettes to Dan, but that doesn't mean a feline incubus silhouette is Dan.
True, but with the whole link of Pyroduck, Fa'Lina, Pyroduck's Father and Hizell seems so weaved. I dunno. To me when it said Ducky's father wiped out Fa'lina's entire clan.. it HAS to be Hizell or someone close knit to Hizell.... Bah I dunno I'll shut up and just watch the thing play out. :U Promise if I'm wrong someone can dump gross movie theatre popcorn all over me. c:
Quote from: Professor Fate on March 27, 2010, 09:39:24 PM
Quote from: Lego3400 on March 26, 2010, 11:50:00 PM
Yeah... I wanna know where your getting the idea that Hizell and Pryodaddy are the same dragon.
Well, Pyroduck says "He betrayed her. Took her entire clan." And, what other Dragon would take Fa'Lina's clan? Because in her Clan page, it said that she was betrayed by a friend, and her whole clan was slaughtered. So I have a HUGE hunch that Pyroduck's father is indeed Hizell. Also. In Abel's Story, that one panel that shows the outline of Hizell looks exactly like the face of Pyroduck's father with few drawing errors. Here, look for yourself:
http://missmab.com/Comics/Ab_055.php - Outline of Hizell
http://missmab.com/Comics/Vol_1072.php - Pyroduck's Father
And the horns on his chin and nose MATCH. People have said this though: "Oh but they're not the same size. Well not all drawings of a character will look exactly the same as another hm? anyways that was my proof. Sleep now. *fump* :U
Why would you mention size difference?
We don't know how big Siar shifted in that picture.
*shrugs*
...
*wants to hug Fa'Lina*
:hug
Quote from: Anker Steadfast on March 28, 2010, 05:38:52 PM
...
*wants to hug Fa'Lina*
:hug
Agreed, group hug! :hug :hug
Quote from: Tiger_T on March 28, 2010, 02:26:16 AM
Why would you mention size difference?
We don't know how big Siar shifted in that picture.
*shrugs*
I was talking about the size of Hizell's horns.
Just considering a possibility: could there have been a transfer of clan ownership to Fa'Lina (from one of the original three sisters).
Even further oddball theory: Fa'Lina is the last survivor of one of the 3 "peaceful" clans, and given power transfusion from her clan leader (and making her leader as a result) at the last possible moment.
Quote from: Psaakyrn on March 28, 2010, 09:44:40 PM
Fa'Lina is the last survivor of one of the 3 "peaceful" clans,
Who says there's only 3? There's 3 that we know of
so far.
Quote from: AmigaDragon on March 29, 2010, 03:12:49 AM
Quote from: Psaakyrn on March 28, 2010, 09:44:40 PM
Fa'Lina is the last survivor of one of the 3 "peaceful" clans,
Who says there's only 3? There's 3 that we know of so far.
I meant the Matrons of Light (I couldn't access the comic site at work, thus unable to get the quoted name). On a related note, I wonder if it's not just a coincidence that Fa'Lina is also pastel coloured.
Quote from: Psaakyrn on March 29, 2010, 08:03:21 AM
I wonder if it's not just a coincidence that Fa'Lina is also pastel coloured.
Bah, Fa'Lina is just a nut for Pink. :3
Has anyone thought to just say
"Excuse us, Miss all Mighty Amber, but is Pyroduck Hizell's Child?"
Quote from: Aurawyn on March 30, 2010, 08:37:32 PM
Has anyone thought to just say
"Excuse us, Miss all Mighty Amber, but is Pyroduck Hizell's Child?"
Oh please. That makes
way too much sense to attempt!
Quote from: Aurawyn on March 30, 2010, 08:37:32 PM
Has anyone thought to just say
"Excuse us, Miss all Mighty Amber, but is Pyroduck Hizell's Child?"
Yes. Most of us have figured we'd get a response like "Yes, and Aniz is actually Destania in disguise, and Mab is actually Hizell! Hah! Bet you weren't expecting that, huh?"
... or possibly the pretty tinfoil princess answer. It's about fifty-fifty between them.
Hehehe...
Quote from: Aurawyn on March 30, 2010, 08:37:32 PM
Has anyone thought to just say
"Excuse us, Miss all Mighty Amber, but is Pyroduck Hizell's Child?"
Include a caption of Wildy to improve your chances of success.
Quote from: llearch n'n'daCorna on March 30, 2010, 08:43:32 PMQuote from: Aurawyn on March 30, 2010, 08:37:32 PMHas anyone thought to just say
"Excuse us, Miss all Mighty Amber, but is Pyroduck Hizell's Child?"
Yes. Most of us have figured we'd get a response like "Yes, and Aniz is actually Destania in disguise, and Mab is actually Hizell! Hah! Bet you weren't expecting that, huh?"
... or possibly the pretty tinfoil princess answer. It's about fifty-fifty between them.
Alternatively she'd go Wiku-Zilla on lost lake and we'd never know how the story ends.
:U